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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, fellow conspiracy realist. This evening, we're

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Speaker 1: returning to you with a very oh gosh, oh Matt,

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Speaker 1: I'm always just so fascinated by this one. Real life superpowers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've all dreamt about it. We've been thinking about

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Speaker 2: it since we picked up that first comic book. What

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Speaker 2: if any of this could really be true? It? Could

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Speaker 2: I do it?

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Speaker 1: Literally? Any of it like a picture? You know, some

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Speaker 1: not all X Men have the same level of powers

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Speaker 1: in the Marvel universe. There are Omega level mutants, and

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Speaker 1: there's everybody else. But even like the nerdiest X Man

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Speaker 1: like Cipher, who just knows every language, even that's really

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Speaker 1: cool power. So for quite some time you and I

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Speaker 1: were were just compelled to look through all the reports

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Speaker 1: of extraordinary abilities across the real world and determine whether

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Speaker 1: or not any of them are true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, could there be a real life night Crawler? And

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Speaker 2: could he be me?

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Speaker 1: And does he BAMF? Does he BAF? Is the question?

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Speaker 1: What does the band?

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Speaker 2: Does that mean?

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Speaker 1: BAMF is the automotive pya, it's the it's the sound

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Speaker 1: effect when night Crawler teleports, it's BAF BAMF.

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Speaker 2: So unfamiliar with with all these like terms you know

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Speaker 2: just some kind of slang term. I didn't understand it.

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Speaker 1: It was just a weird Twitter acronym. Well, at this point,

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Speaker 1: this is coming to us from twenty eighteen as the

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Speaker 1: humans reckon the calendar. So tune in, let us know

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Speaker 1: what you think, and then let us know what sound

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Speaker 1: effect your superpower would have. From UFOs to psychic powers

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Speaker 1: and government conspiracies, history is riddled with unexplained events. You

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Speaker 1: can turn back now or learn this stuff they don't

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Speaker 1: want you to know.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noman.

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Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined with our super

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Speaker 1: producer Paul Deckett. Most importantly, you are here, and that

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Speaker 1: makes this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: sequel episode to an episode that I think we all

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Speaker 1: enjoyed much earlier when we did it for the first time.

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Speaker 1: How long ago was that.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna ask the same thing? A couple of.

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Speaker 1: Years, It seems like it was a while back. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was our episode on real life Superpowers. Now, as

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Speaker 1: we live in the age of superhero movies, the comic

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Speaker 1: book movie renaissance, you could call it. We know that

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Speaker 1: more and more people are familiar with the concept of

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Speaker 1: the extraordinary abilities that we call superpowers, and there are

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Speaker 1: a few that even if you hate Marvel and DC

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Speaker 1: movies and comic books in general, there are a few

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Speaker 1: of these abilities that are totally familiar to everyone, like

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Speaker 1: flying without the need of a plane, a helicopter, a

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Speaker 1: glider or so on. Right, that's that's one of the

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Speaker 1: oldest ones, right, absolute even in ancient myths, gods can fly.

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Speaker 3: You know, I've never thought about this until now, but

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Speaker 3: since most of the superheroes that fly don't have any

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's absolutely right, because I went through a phase

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Speaker 1: a while back when I would ask people what three

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Speaker 3: I think we did in the last Superpowers episode.

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Speaker 1: We probably did. Yeah, And that's flying is one that

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Speaker 1: cool unless it's a physical thing like swimming. Because if

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Speaker 1: you can just because you can swim doesn't mean you

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Speaker 3: But I think that tele kinesis now would fold a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I disagree on both counts. Guys. All you have

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Speaker 1: Well, that's just bending the code.

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Speaker 3: Did you take the red pillar? The blue pill?

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Speaker 2: Well, I take the red pill for other reasons, all

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Speaker 1: writers of the Matrix are pissed about that. One. Another

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Speaker 1: each case in that episode and in this one, each

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Speaker 1: some pretty amazing things, and so many in fact, that

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Speaker 1: we decided to do this long awaited sequel because we

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Speaker 1: found powers that didn't make it into the first episode.

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Speaker 1: If you have not checked out Real Life Superpowers Part one.

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Speaker 1: Please go ahead and do so now because you will

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Speaker 1: want the context to this, and honestly, you won't want

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Speaker 1: to miss the first powers we discovered in that one,

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Speaker 3: Good The Avengers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that. Last episode is basically the Avengers.

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Speaker 1: Right, We've got a supersite, super strength.

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Speaker 1: of comic books out there, and please write to us

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Speaker 1: and let me know if you get this reference. This

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Speaker 1: is more the Great Lakes Avengers episode to deep cut.

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Speaker 1: You can also google Great Lakes Avengers if you want

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Speaker 3: I can kind of put it together in my head.

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Speaker 3: Is it sort of just like the workaday Joe Avengers

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Speaker 2: No, No, this is a this is a superhero team.

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Speaker 3: But they're out in the Great Lakes, so I'm picture

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Speaker 1: I like where's at but you gotta you gotta check those.

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Speaker 2: I look forward to it. Not too many spoilers, but

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Speaker 2: which is doormn one one word door man.

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Speaker 3: Is he literally a door man like an hotel?

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Speaker 3: How have I not heard of this? Is this like

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Speaker 3: a parody? No, it's a real thing.

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Speaker 1: So here are the facts. Most of those extraordinary abilities

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Speaker 1: It is kind of like the matrix.

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Speaker 1: And there's one there's a thing that I thought would

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Speaker 1: I don't even know if it's useful, but I think

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, he can make audio files with his head,

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Speaker 3: He's got like a little USB drive right at his

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Speaker 2: It to you. Forty eight K waves whatever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, uh nerds. But third, there are there are people

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Speaker 1: following years, other patients in similar situations exhibited the same results.

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Speaker 1: And to your question, for a long time, scientists couldn't

439
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Speaker 1: understand how this could work at all, because not only

440
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Speaker 1: did the mutation develop way before the rise of a

441
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Speaker 1: but if the Black Plague was bubonic plague, if it

442
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Speaker 1: was bacterial in nature, it wouldn't make much sense because

443
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Speaker 1: HIV is a virus. It's viral in nature. So two

444
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Speaker 1: professors who worked on this, Christopher Duncan and Susan Scott,

445
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Speaker 1: wrote a book called Return of the Black Death, which

446
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Speaker 1: is a great book. I'd also recommend if you're interested

447
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Speaker 1: in light reading Norman Canters In the Wake of the Plague.

448
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Speaker 1: These professors said that the concepts of the Black Death

449
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Speaker 1: were were incorrect and that the plague sweeping through Europe

450
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Speaker 1: from thirteen forty seven to sixteen sixty were in fact,

451
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Speaker 1: a continuing series of epidemics of a lethal viral hemorrhagic

452
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Speaker 1: fever that used this CCR five that we're talking about

453
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Speaker 1: as an entry port into the immune system. So it's

454
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Speaker 1: kind of like this mutation shuts the door for both

455
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Speaker 1: this virus and HIV to get in. And around the

456
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Speaker 1: time time that the plague hit, according to their mathematical models,

457
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Speaker 1: the mutation occurred in about one out of twenty thousand people,

458
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Speaker 1: and pressure from the plague alone brought this number up

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Speaker 1: to something more like one in ten or ten percent.

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Speaker 1: So again, that's amazing. That is an incredibly powerful thing. Yeah,

461
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Speaker 1: it's incredible and earned through the death of millions.

462
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Speaker 2: Now we just have to figure out how to transfer

463
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Speaker 2: that into everybody.

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Speaker 1: Right right exactly, And there have been some promising breakthroughs

465
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Speaker 1: in HIV research just this year as we record this.

466
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Speaker 1: Of course, the origins of HIV remain a contested topic,

467
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Speaker 1: which I think we did an episode on.

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Speaker 2: Here's another awesome thing. Let's say you're traveling somewhere in

469
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Speaker 2: the world where you may have to worry about contracting malaria.

470
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Speaker 2: There are several places in the world where this is

471
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Speaker 2: a real danger. Here is a very strange thing, and

472
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Speaker 2: maybe it's just it's just something that has come through

473
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Speaker 2: evolution to the human body because of the way another

474
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Speaker 2: thing functions within the human body, and that's sickle cell anemia.

475
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Speaker 2: If you happen to have that, it appears to, or

476
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Speaker 2: seems to in many cases, you probably have some form

477
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Speaker 2: of inborn resistance to malaria. Pretty pretty sweet, right, that's

478
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Speaker 2: a cool thing. Having sickle cell anemia. Not good at

479
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Speaker 2: all because this is a very dangerous medical medical condition

480
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Speaker 2: and there are a lot of side effects from having it,

481
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Speaker 2: and it's not fun whatsoever. However, it's some weird little

482
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Speaker 2: trade off of having a weakness you also have this

483
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Speaker 2: superpower and or well maybe it's it's both, I.

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Speaker 1: Guess yeah, and it's We can go into the science

485
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Speaker 1: of it maybe in a in a different episode it

486
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Speaker 1: just without going to in the weeds. The way it

487
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: works is that the effect that sickle cell anemia has

488
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Speaker 1: on your red blood cells that it makes them abnormally shaped,

489
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Speaker 1: and it doesn't doesn't provide protection against infection by the

490
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Speaker 1: malaria parasite. Instead, it prevents the disease from taking hold

491
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Speaker 1: after the organism, or in this case, the person has

492
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Speaker 1: been infected so it's still a bad condition. Yeah, but

493
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Speaker 1: in the right circumstances, at least according to evolution, it's

494
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Speaker 1: better to have sickle cell anemia than malaria.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

496
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Speaker 1: So that's strange. That's I would say the HIV immunity

497
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 1: is a little bit less dangerous to have since there's

498
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: not such a trade off. Or I guess the trade

499
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Speaker 1: off was surviving. Again, I can't you. I'm trying to

500
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Speaker 1: think of a word stronger than horrific. One of the

501
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 1: worst things that happened in history, Yeah, the plagues. But

502
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Speaker 1: that's that's that's a useful one. We're trying to vary

503
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Speaker 1: between the useful and unuseful. I found one that I

504
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Speaker 1: thought I wanted to hear. You guys take on. You

505
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: remember seven? Did you guys? Like seven?

506
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Speaker 2: The film?

507
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: The film? No, just the number, if you remember that number.

508
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Speaker 3: It's a great one about Lucky number seleven.

509
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Speaker 1: What's that?

510
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Speaker 3: Oh, it's a movie with Yeah, what's his name, Diehard?

511
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Speaker 3: Bruce Willis. I have seen assassin named sleven. Oh, it's

512
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Speaker 3: called Lucky Number sleven. Oh, geez.

513
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Speaker 2: In this one, I think we're talking about a serial murderer. Well,

514
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 2: he's a torturist, maybe a torturer. He doesn't necessarily kill

515
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 2: all the time, but he has someone else do the killing.

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Speaker 2: Without spoiling too much of the movie seven.

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Speaker 1: Or well, it's past the statute of limitations.

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Speaker 3: Right, it's Kevin Spacey, you guys, who is.

519
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Speaker 1: Not building the movie? Okay, let's go ahet. You want

520
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: to do a spoiler countdown for everybody?

521
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Speaker 2: Three?

522
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Speaker 3: Two, it's Kevin Spacey.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Kevin Spacey. He appears in the very last

524
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Speaker 1: act of the film, uncredited because he did not want

525
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Speaker 1: to quote ruin the surprise. But one of the ways

526
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Speaker 1: in this story, one of the ways that he gets

527
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Speaker 1: away with all these horrific acts that are meant to

528
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Speaker 1: echo the ten Commandments or the violation thereof, is that

529
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Speaker 1: the seven Deadly Sins. Yes, thank you, that's the name

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Speaker 1: of the movie. Yes, good save he gets away with

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Speaker 1: or he's not apprehended for a while because he has,

532
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: through a very painful process, removed his own fingerprints. It

533
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: turns out some people just don't have fingerprints genetically.

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Speaker 3: And just for the record, you guys, I wanted to

535
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Speaker 3: throw that Kevin Spacey bit out there in case you

536
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 3: watched the movie. For the first time, not knowing that

537
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 3: he was in it, and then you would have been

538
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 3: super pissed by the end of it when he came out,

539
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 3: and you're like, I didn't want to watch a Kevin

540
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 3: Spacey movie. That guy sucks. So I saved you from

541
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Speaker 3: that moment. So you're welcome.

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Speaker 2: But in this case, he plays the villain that you're

543
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Speaker 2: rooting against doesn't matter. So in some way maybe it's

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Speaker 2: I don't.

545
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Speaker 1: Know, and I don't think he's getting much money for

546
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Speaker 1: that film. I think that's mainly Brad Pitt and the

547
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: other guy. But yeah, Morgan Freeman, Morgan Freeman.

548
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 3: Can he also a bit of a me too guy?

549
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Speaker 3: Didn't he do some bad stuff too?

550
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Speaker 1: Morgan Freeman?

551
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a me too moment for Morgan Freeman.

552
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Speaker 1: Oh I heard that. I'll look that up.

553
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Speaker 2: As Michael Ja said at the Emmys just the other night,

554
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Speaker 2: Hello to all of you famous rich people in Hollywood

555
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 2: who haven't been caught yet.

556
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Speaker 1: Yeah, true, too, true, So lack of fingerprints. In two

557
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Speaker 1: thousand and seven, there's a Swiss woman in her late

558
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Speaker 1: twenties who ran into a really irritating Kafka esque problem.

559
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: She could prove who she was in every way, in

560
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Speaker 1: every way that mattered, except for one. Customs agents at

561
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Speaker 1: the US border could not confirm her identity because despite

562
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: the fact that everything in her passport matched, including her

563
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: photograph and all that jazz, all that slow jazz, when

564
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: the agent scanned her hand, they found out she had

565
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Speaker 1: no fingerprints. And it turns out, instead of being some

566
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Speaker 1: master criminal or some insane sadist, she has an extremely

567
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Speaker 1: rare genetic condition known as a dermatoglyphia lack of fingerprints.

568
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: We're just we're throwing out the fancy words today.

569
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Speaker 2: A dermatoeglifia A d E r M A t O

570
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Speaker 2: g l y p h I A A dermatoglifia.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. That's a nice voice for that, Matt.

572
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: So this condition mainly makes immigration and travel so such

573
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: a pain in the ass that one dermatologist researching it,

574
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Speaker 1: doctor named Peter Eiden, called it the immigration delay disease.

575
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Speaker 1: Nice so usefulness. It could have been useful in the

576
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: days before we're GPS tracking and DNA testing, like you

577
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: could have been a master thief or of some sort,

578
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: maybe in the forties through the fifties or sixties. Definitely,

579
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Speaker 1: so that the heyday of that fingerprintless crime mob as

580
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: coming gone.

581
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Speaker 2: If you had that coupled. Oh, it's a it's a

582
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 2: terrible disease that a lot of people suffer with where you.

583
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: Lose all of your hair, alopecia.

584
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: Alopecia in your entire body. If you had alopecia, and oh,

585
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 2: I've already lost it in the outline and there's no

586
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 2: way I'm gonna be able to say it again.

587
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: A dermatoglyphia, thank you.

588
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 2: If you had both of those in the nineteen thirties, forties,

589
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,959
Speaker 2: really anytime before the nineteen sixties, Yeah, you were You

590
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 2: could have been a master thief.

591
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: Dare to dream, dare to dream. So the next one

592
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: is really the next one's a weird one. It's super strange,

593
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: and I think it warrants it's an episode.

594
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 2: So well, why don't we Why don't we hear a

595
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 2: quick word from our sponsor before we get into it?

596
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: Okay, Imagine a world in which humans might be able

597
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Speaker 1: to smell with the sophistication of a dog, run with

598
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Speaker 1: the burst of a cheetah, stay underwater as long as

599
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: a seal or a whale, or sleep with one half

600
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: of each brain at a time, or a Heck, how

601
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: about just we're growing a limb, or you know, growing

602
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: an extra one just for funsies. That would be That's

603
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: the world comic books present to us when we think

604
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Speaker 1: of human animal hybrids. And we're still pretty far off

605
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Speaker 1: from that sort of stuff, but we're closer than you

606
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: might think.

607
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 3: We're talking about some island of doctor Moreau type stuff.

608
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 3: Ben more like some Sabertooth stuff.

609
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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

610
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Speaker 1: Ideally it would be Sabertooth, but you gotta go through

611
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: Moreau to get the saber tooth.

612
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, you gotta break a few eggs to make

613
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Speaker 3: a cheat up.

614
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Did you ever read the actual book?

615
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 3: No, but I saw the incredible film and the documentary

616
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 3: about the.

617
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: About mar Val Kilm totally insane. Well, in the.

618
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 2: Oh Man, there's his voice.

619
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Speaker 1: There's so many stories about Marlon Brando without getting too

620
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Speaker 1: far into him. The thing that's interesting about the book

621
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Speaker 1: is that when the book was written, the the doctor,

622
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Speaker 1: the namesake of the film and the namesake of the story,

623
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Speaker 1: he is using purely surgical methods, so he's not using

624
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Speaker 1: any genetic methods to increase the cognitive abilities of these animals,

625
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: these hybrids, these chimaras he's instead just cutting them up

626
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Speaker 1: so they walk like men.

627
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, sort of like that movie Tusk. Did you see

628
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 3: that horrible monstrosity. It's a Kevin Smith movie where he

629
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Speaker 3: turns a podcaster into a walrus. It's awful.

630
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Speaker 1: It just doesn't make any sense to me, Like the

631
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Speaker 1: motivation of the guy. The the fact that spoiler alert

632
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Speaker 1: three two one, the fact that the the protagonist and

633
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: Tusk or the main character also loses his mind, but

634
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: nothing's really done to his mind other than you know,

635
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: intense psychological torture, like he's a lot lobotomized or anything.

636
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Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I'd lose my mind if I

637
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 3: was turned into a walrus.

638
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: I think I think I would have the presence of

639
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: mind to ask for some people to help me with surgery,

640
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Speaker 1: to at least get me closer back closer to my

641
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: original form, you.

642
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 2: Know what I mean, being in a wildlife part.

643
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: This fight. You know. Sometimes I feel sometimes directors or

644
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: screenwriters get carried away with one image and it's just

645
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: they'll like spend hours try and rationalize that image that's

646
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Speaker 1: for a different show. That's for a different show, I'm sure,

647
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Speaker 1: But yeah, like that, like like Moreau on the Way

648
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: to Sabertooth. We're already this is the biggest spoiler. We

649
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Speaker 1: as a species are already quite capable of making several

650
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Speaker 1: types of human animal highhybrids, but in many cases it

651
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 1: might be more accurate to call it an animal human hybrid.

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Speaker 1: In twenty seventeen. Just last year, scientists announced that they

653
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Speaker 1: had created the first successful ones, and they weren't entirely

654
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Speaker 1: accurate in that claim. Their project proved that human cells

655
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: can be introduced to a non human organism and they

656
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: can grow within that organism. But what they what they

657
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: didn't say, is they were doing legitimate ethical science. In

658
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: decades before this experiment in twenty seventeen, people have been

659
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: doing plenty of legitimate unethical science. There are all these

660
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: rumors we covered in earlier shows about a so called

661
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: human z which is genetically speaking, completely possible where it's

662
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: close enough, you know what I mean. It would be

663
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: probably very hard to bring it to term, and the

664
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Speaker 1: creature would live a very cursed and happy life probably,

665
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: but it's technically possible, just not ethically advisable. And in

666
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 1: China there's this I guess you would call it a

667
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: story by two researchers because there's not a lot of

668
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: proof to back it up. Right before the Cultural Revolution,

669
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: there was a successful experiment with a human chimpanzee hybrid

670
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 1: and they had a female chimpanzee carrying essentially human fetus.

671
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: It was about three months pregnant. But then all the

672
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: research was destroyed along with the individual. So and then

673
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: that's say of going into the Russian experiments, which were

674
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: much have much better documentation. And then in two thousand

675
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: and three, the first successful human animal hybrid was made

676
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: in a lab in Shanghai. Some scientists fused human cells

677
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,439
Speaker 1: in rabbit eggs and they created the embryos of new

678
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 1: creature that would be half rabbit, half human, never born again.

679
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: These things officially have never been born. You.

680
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 2: And the whole point of that study, at least back

681
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: in the day, according to San Francisco Gate, was to

682
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 2: create a essentially a place where you could grow human

683
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 2: stem cells. Yes, yeah, within the rabbit creature that they're

684
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: creating human rabbit thing.

685
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: And that's why when they destroyed the embryos, they harvested

686
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: the stem cells, right exactly. Yeah. So in the present day,

687
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: we started really really going into this with pigs we've

688
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: made pigs that are technically chimaras, organisms that are part

689
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: human part animals. The scientists at the Salk Institute found

690
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: that they could inject a certain type of human cell,

691
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 1: things called pluripotent cells stem cells with unlimited changeable potential.

692
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: They could implant these cells, and if they allowed the

693
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: cells to develop to a specific degree, these cells could

694
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: survive in pig embryos. They had to find sort of

695
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: a Goldilocks zone to put this alien, alien organic material in,

696
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: and they went on to create one hundred and eighty

697
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 1: six embryos chmeric embryos that survived. Each only had about

698
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: one in one hundred thousand human cells, is their ratio. Currently,

699
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 1: we're capable of making sheep that are about point zero

700
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: one percent human cells. The ultimate goal here is not

701
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: to make a race of pig people or sheepfolk. It's

702
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: to use these animals as a harvesting ground for organs,

703
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: which means within our lifetimes, if any of us needs

704
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: to get a heart transplant, we may well end up

705
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: with the heart of a pig.

706
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 2: Which is currently what happens now. If you get a

707
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 2: valve replacement, it can be bovine, it can be poresine.

708
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 2: It can be from some other animals. A lot of

709
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,240
Speaker 2: times it's a bovine valve.

710
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: Wow.

711
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean so we're already doing that, but it's

712
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 2: not a human hybrid version of it, or a full

713
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 2: on human one that was grown inside of a cow.

714
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: It's really interesting stuff.

715
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 1: I mean, that's it's interesting. Though Ethically that would be

716
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: less egregious to a lot of people than using a

717
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: human heart, right.

718
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 2: Sure, well, yeah, I guess it depends. It depends.

719
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: But then growing an animal and dedicating its entire life

720
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: to having its organs harvested a lot of people to

721
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: have problems with that. They would also maybe talk about

722
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: those problems while they were eating a hamburger.

723
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: Yeah it yeah, I agree, it does. It is an

724
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 2: interesting thing. It feels like maybe they're going about it

725
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 2: the wrong way, but I see the leap here. Who

726
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 2: am I to say, by the way, old boy Matt

727
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: over here trying to tell science what to do. But

728
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 2: it does feel like we're getting closer to a point

729
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 2: where we'll be able to grow an organ almost like

730
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 2: three D print and organ out of genetic material, rather

731
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 2: than having to grow one physically in a creature.

732
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:58,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we are getting closer. The problem is making

733
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: the moving parts. Yeah, you know what I.

734
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 2: Mean, absolutely, But yeah, it just feels in a way

735
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: just that it's still even happening in twenty seventeen. I'm fascinated.

736
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: I know, it feels like a sort of sorcery, doesn't

737
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: it to mold living material in that manner? And also

738
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: this could make an episode all its own because this

739
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: doesn't even touch on This doesn't even touch on what

740
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: the nature of humanity is like? Is it a simple

741
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: ratio of cells? Is it once once more than half

742
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: of the cells in the animal's body by weight or whatever.

743
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: Once those once they reach over fifty one percent, does

744
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,919
Speaker 1: that animal become human? That's a good question, right once?

745
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: Or is it just the type of cells? If all

746
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 1: of its cells are human, but it has the brain

747
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: and the nervous system of a different animal, is it

748
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: not human? You know what I mean? Where the line

749
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: is it at the brain? Is it at the ratio?

750
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: What makes what makes a living thing human? Or what

751
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: makes it sentient? Right? Like this, this is a question

752
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: that we will eventually as a species have to answer.

753
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 3: It's like do animals have souls right right?

754
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: Or do they have legal rights?

755
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 3: What even is a soul? What even our legal rights?

756
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: How do we define this stuff? You know?

757
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 2: Conspiracy at HowStuffWorks dot com. Send in your thoughts.

758
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 3: And are there any shaman or lawyers out there? Let

759
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 3: us know what you think or both if.

760
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: You're If you're a shaman lawyer, I would love to

761
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: love to hear your what what would that be? Litigious divinations?

762
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: That's genius, man, We could do that, right we We

763
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 1: also aren't mentioning, you know, Matt, We are not mentioning

764
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: how scientists have grown an ear on the body of

765
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: a mouse.

766
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I mean, that's something we can do.

767
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: As an ear replacement. Oh no, it's true, it's true.

768
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: Done it Would you do that? Would you if you

769
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: were missing an ear? Would you take a ear grown

770
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: from a wrote it?

771
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 3: It's irreplaceable, That's.

772
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 2: What That's what I was feeling. Thank you.

773
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: No, uh, we we come up with these live folks.

774
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: Let us know we're working live for you. But these

775
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: these are so far just pretty much organic things. Right.

776
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: I propose that we pause for break from our sponsor

777
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: and come back and we talk about technology. All right,

778
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: So we are back. The four of us are definitely

779
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: not extraordinary time travelers. But what we could be is biohackers.

780
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: What the hell are biohackers, you may be asking, Well.

781
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's people who already have an Apple Watch that monitors,

782
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 2: you know, their heart rate, how much they sleep, exactly

783
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 2: what they're eating, what their bowel movements look like, and everything.

784
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: But they just want to know more about what their

785
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: bodies do, and they want to have a little bit

786
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 2: more of a more apps that they can use in

787
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 2: the real world, more applicable things. What you call wetwear, right, yeah,

788
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 2: except instead of just wearing it on your wrist, why

789
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 2: not put it in your wrist or in your head?

790
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:16,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, your brain?

791
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, m We have the We have the means,

792
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: like in the old, the old beginning of the six

793
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: Million Dollar Man television show, which I've never seen them.

794
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: Just seeing the YouTube clip of the intro, I thought

795
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 1: that was cool. We have the means to build ourselves

796
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: faster and stronger. And wetwear, yes, is implanted within your body,

797
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: so technically like a pacemaker would be wetwear. This stuff

798
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: is already much more familiar to us, so much more

799
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: common than we think. The folks we call biohackers today

800
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: are making these implants themselves and often in many cases,

801
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: implanting them in themselves without medical supervision all the time,

802
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: which drives some people just bananas. And they you know,

803
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: you you can give yourself certain abilities. Yeah, we'll probably

804
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,439
Speaker 1: do an episode on this too, but.

805
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 2: Like crazy abilities.

806
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, the ones we have, the ones that we

807
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: found and listed, are maybe not super amazing, but they're

808
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: they're getting there right now. They're there to prove a point,

809
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: like their ability you can insult things to monitor your

810
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 1: temperature pretty much an Apple watch.

811
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right.

812
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: It's inside the ability to sense magnetic north? Though, is

813
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: that one is actually a patch?

814
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, to sense magnetics magnetic north. That's cool.

815
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: Well, all it does is they recommend that you put

816
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: the patch high on your chest and then you get

817
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: like a like a buzzy itch thing when you're facing

818
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: magnetic north.

819
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 2: Isn't that nice? Just every time you look north?

820
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: And who doesn't want yet another unscre agible itch.

821
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that could be amazing if you're lost

822
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 2: in the woods.

823
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: True, that's a really good point as long as yeah, no, no,

824
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: that's really it's good.

825
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: It's really good we're a desert.

826
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. Then the idea of implanting all kinds of stuff

827
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: in your fingertips, right, I think we did we talk

828
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,919
Speaker 1: about this another who is no only I think maybe

829
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: you and I were talking about this stuff, right, the

830
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: one where you can sense magnetic fields if you're close

831
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: to them.

832
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 3: Oh, you mean, like the with the radio quiet zone

833
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 3: and stuff like. People that have sensitivity to electromagnetic fields.

834
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, they could do that. I wonder if they

835
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: would be the type to have that implant though.

836
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 3: No, Well, they would probably want something to shield them

837
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 3: from said transmissions.

838
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe detecting them would help them do that. But

839
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 1: some some biohackers have put small sensors in their fingertips,

840
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: or even put magnets in their fingertips, which seems neat

841
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: but really inconvenient on a dated basis.

842
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,720
Speaker 2: Just if you if there's an on off switch somewhere

843
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 2: in your neck maybe or in your upper arm, then cool.

844
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's the other question, right. I mean, currently

845
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: these implants are capable or they're more like proof of

846
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: concept things. Yeah, no one's magneto yet, is what we're saying.

847
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 2: Well, at least magneto hasn't shown up in the middle

848
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 2: of New York City or Gotham or wherever else Magneto

849
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 2: can show up. Please don't show up in Gotham, Magneto.

850
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 2: That would be really cross world and weird. Actually, it

851
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 2: might read might help help the DC universe.

852
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 1: So maybe maybe it will, but uh, actually it would

853
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: help them out a lot, at least in the film adaptations.

854
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: But this is just the beginning of something, you know,

855
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: And that's that's the argument they're making. They're paving the way.

856
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: They see themselves as pioneers who are the vanguard for

857
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: something that may become much more common and much more

858
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: powerful in the future.

859
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it does feel like at some point, and

860
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 2: you listening out there, what do you think about this,

861
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 2: But it does feel like we're getting closer and closer

862
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 2: within the next few hundred years of becoming a lot

863
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 2: more of a synthetic species. Yeah, transhumanism, right, Yeah, And

864
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 2: I don't think that necessarily means biohacking in the way

865
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 2: that it's being pursued right now. I think it's going

866
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 2: to mean something completely different, much more synthetic than an

867
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 2: synthetic addition to a biological entity.

868
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: I see what you mean. Yeah, Yeah, something human plus right, yeah,

869
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: or is Noah, you've all Harari calls it homodeis anyway,

870
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,439
Speaker 1: so speaking some of you completely different. This is when

871
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: we put in just because I don't know, it's an ability?

872
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 1: Is it extraordinary? We're talking about globe luxation two words,

873
00:48:55,400 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 1: globe space luxation, lux at io it what is this exactly?

874
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, you should go ahead and search

875
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 2: it on YouTube. That's probably the best way to do this.

876
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: It is safe for work, it's fine. Yeah, you'll be okay.

877
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 2: It's the thing where you've got eyes and then you

878
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 2: could do this other thing where the eyes kind of

879
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 2: go pop out a little bit or push out.

880
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 3: You mean, just like bug out or literally pop out

881
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:23,919
Speaker 3: and hang by the optic nerve.

882
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 2: No, and you don't pop them out, but they just

883
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 2: kind of the partially partially bug go out.

884
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: They're bugging Yeah, yeah, they're bugging out.

885
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 2: That's it.

886
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: There's a Guinness Book of World Records measurement for this

887
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: for the degree to which people can lux eight perhaps

888
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: would be the word to make their eyes pop out

889
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:45,760
Speaker 1: of their skulls.

890
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 2: Ooh, maximum luxation.

891
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: I think that could be a T shirt. But that's

892
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: the question, you know, is it useful. It doesn't seem

893
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: particularly useful. It's interesting, but.

894
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 3: I mean like it could psych out your enemy. Sure,

895
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 3: you know, if you were like in a street fight

896
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 3: or something. That's what I just thought of when you

897
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 3: said that. Yeah, Matt, it's like you have achieved maximum

898
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 3: luxation and that's like you know your opponent and then

899
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,919
Speaker 3: it causes the guy you're fighting against to freak out

900
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 3: and then you punch him in the nuts.

901
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the Maori practice of hakka, you know, the

902
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: ritualized dance.

903
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 2: Oh if you could, if you could hakka and a

904
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 2: luxeate and now you're onto something haka luxation.

905
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 1: So while we're talking about eyes, m M, this is

906
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 1: what we found that's very interesting. We have a couple

907
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: more guys. It's I guess we would call it super

908
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: record reading. It's a very very very specific type of

909
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: super site. You see, there's a medical diagnostician in Philadelphia

910
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: named doctor Arthur Linkin, and doctor l over here can

911
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: do something very weird. He can identify the music on

912
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: a phonographic on a vinyl record just by looking at

913
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: the grooves on its surface. He doesn't have to listen

914
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: to it. He can look at it and he it's

915
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: like he can hear the music.

916
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 2: Wow, he doesn't even have to feel it or anything,

917
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 2: because it's just such a tactile medium. With the grooves interview,

918
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 2: I thought in my head when we were looking into

919
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 2: this it, I like, I would imagine him feeling the grooves, yeah,

920
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 2: and almost knowing that way, but just by sight. That's impressive.

921
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: Well. The claim was tested and verified by James Randy Wow,

922
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: who depending on what side of the fence you fall

923
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 1: on on our show, you either love or hate yeah,

924
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: or in my case, pity. But the now he's done

925
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: important things, I just feel bad for him. But doctor

926
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: Lincoln has a couple of caveats for this. He says

927
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: he can only identify post Beethoven classical music if it's

928
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: fully orchestrated. He cannot identify spoken word recordings or the

929
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: works of contemporary classical composers who are relatively unknown. It's

930
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 1: kind of like he has to already be somewhat familiar

931
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: with the song.

932
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 3: I don't know about this, because I mean I always

933
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 3: have been fascinated by, you know, cutting records and like

934
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 3: what that entails and the fact that it is somehow

935
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 3: physically making that sound because you can like have the

936
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 3: record player the electronics turned off, and you can turn

937
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 3: the record, rotate it under the needle and you'll still

938
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 3: actually hear a faint you know, recreation of the sound.

939
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 3: I would want to know a little bit more about that,

940
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 3: but I don't know. Like it's sort of like looking

941
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 3: at a wave form of audio, right, so you could

942
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 3: maybe identify the peaks and valleys of what a waveform

943
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 3: looked like and be able to correlate it to a

944
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 3: particular piece of music if you knew it super well. Yeah,

945
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 3: you could say, here's those stabs of dun dut dut duh,

946
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:55,720
Speaker 3: because those are the peaks, and then it gets quiet

947
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 3: and you could identify that. But I don't know that

948
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 3: the grooves on a record quite correlate in that same way. Listeners,

949
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 3: let let us let me know if I'm wrong. But

950
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe maybe it's just a matter of

951
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 3: familiarizing yourself with it and just learning the language of

952
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 3: what the grooves look like.

953
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 1: But I think that's what it has to be. Because

954
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: there's a great article on him in the La Times

955
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,399
Speaker 1: from nineteen eighty seven about the test that Randy gives him,

956
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: and they have a different they have like various records.

957
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: Let me see they had They had some controls, like

958
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: they had two different recordings of Stravinsky's Las Acre du

959
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:38,280
Speaker 1: pretem and an Alice Cooper recording and has spoken word recording,

960
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: and then they had other stuff that fit into what

961
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: he should be able to read, like the Planets by

962
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: Holst eighteen twelve, overture by Tchaikowsky, Mozart symphonies, and a

963
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: couple of other things. And here's here's the way he

964
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,720
Speaker 1: does this. He's a very very near sighted guy, super

965
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: thick glasses. So they shuffle the recordings. He takes one

966
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: off the pile, he takes his glasses off, He places

967
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: his eye at the edge of the recording and slowly

968
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: rotates it.

969
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 2: Hmmm.

970
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 1: As he's watching it, he's slowly rotating it, and.

971
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 3: He's looking at it like straight on, like a cross.

972
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 1: They're they're not, I haven't seen video of it. Yeah, interesting,

973
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: but they just said the edge of it. And then

974
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: he said when he made his guess, he said, I

975
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: think that this is Beethoven's sixth Symphony. However, there's an

976
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: extra movement in here that I can't understand. Is it

977
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,280
Speaker 1: a strange recording? And Randy says, you know, I can't

978
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 1: tell you. We got this whole test thing going on. Yeah. Yeah,

979
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: So the guy keeps reading it, reading this record, and

980
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 1: then he says, yes, it is the sixth Symphony, but

981
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: it also contains an additional overture that I will guess

982
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: is the Prometheus overture. He was correct, wow, just from

983
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: looking at this stuff.

984
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 2: And then he did he also he figured out that

985
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 2: one thing he was looking at he was like, oh man,

986
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 2: this thing is Sherman or He's like, this thing is

987
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 2: really weird. It's like disorganized, it's like gibberish. I don't

988
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 2: understand what's happening in this record? What is this thing?

989
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 2: And it turned out to be an Alice Cooper record.

990
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:14,240
Speaker 1: Yes, that was he He didn't say that's totally Alice Cooper,

991
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: but he did say it was jibberish. Yeah. And then

992
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 1: he was also able to differentiate between like the nationalities, yeah, orchestras,

993
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: which is just insane. I'm tempted to think, I don't know,

994
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 1: maybe he just spent so much time, like as we

995
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: said earlier, maybe you spent so much time listening to

996
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: records and memorizing their movements and stuff.

997
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 2: But it does mean he's looking at records.

998
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: A whole lot a ton.

999
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 3: At the very least, it's a very interesting way to

1000
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 3: pass the time.

1001
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1002
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1003
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 3: And also he said he listens to them too. Do

1004
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 3: you think he enjoys music or is he's just sort

1005
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 3: of like this highly neurotic record viewer.

1006
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. He I think he has to listen

1007
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 1: to them because then his because then his mind is

1008
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: associated two senses to kind of confirm what's happening. So

1009
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 1: he's watching the thing and in his head he's hearing

1010
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 1: the song.

1011
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 3: But see, my thing is this, like if I knew

1012
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 3: what record, if I knew intimately the look of a

1013
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 3: particular record, I could tell because there's thick lines between

1014
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 3: the songs, right, and there's only like some records you

1015
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 3: can't fit enough on one side that there's a lot

1016
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 3: of empty space in the center, right, So there's like

1017
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 3: a portion of the vinyl in the interior that's blank

1018
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 3: and a smooth So I would argue that if you

1019
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 3: just memorized the look of a record, like in terms

1020
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 3: of how many tracks were on each side and how

1021
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 3: much empty space there was and what it looked like,

1022
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 3: you could have like a signature in your head of oh,

1023
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 3: this is what the planet looks like. This is what

1024
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 3: Houses of the Holy by led Zeppelin looks like. You know,

1025
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 3: you could totally file that away in your mind without

1026
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 3: actually being able to interpret magically through sight, you know,

1027
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 3: the sound of the look of the records.

1028
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: But that's I mean, the only that's that's where I

1029
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: think I'm at as well, the only, And that's what

1030
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: Randy concluded, by the way, something like that, but a

1031
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: little more. The language uses a little different, but it's

1032
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: more or less the same thing. The big test then

1033
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 1: would be whether doctor Linkin could look at a record

1034
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: from a song you never heard and then sing along.

1035
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: That would be that would be showing this ability. He

1036
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: would be a human record play.

1037
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 3: That would be the next level. That would be sure.

1038
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, But there is another form of supersite that

1039
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: is a lot more useful. This is very interesting, But

1040
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think super record reading qualifies

1041
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: for Avenger level, but supersite just might.

1042
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 2: Okay, so super site, now we're not we aren't necessarily

1043
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 2: talking like eagle Vision or laser site or cyclops stuff

1044
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 2: going on in this in this world, in this version

1045
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 2: of our superheroes. We're talking about a will just supersite,

1046
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 2: amazingly good seeing Veronica Cedar Sider of Stuttgart, Germany. She

1047
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 2: holds the record of having the absolute best eyesight in

1048
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 2: the world. So I have I'm terribly nearsighted. I don't

1049
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 2: know about you guys, if you have any of that

1050
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 2: stuff going on, but my visual acuity is nowhere near

1051
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, which is considered average good, that's what human

1052
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 2: vision should be. But she has been measured around twenty.

1053
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: Two twenty slash two, yeah.

1054
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 2: Not twenty twenty twenty two. This means she can identify

1055
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 2: people from more than a mile away. Yeah, she can

1056
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 2: identify tiny little people.

1057
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: So would be a great sniper.

1058
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's exactly what it is.

1059
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: And that's strange because surely there's a genetic component to that.

1060
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: But how do we how do we find that gene

1061
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: how do we isolate it? How do we expel us it?

1062
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: I was looking ardently too, for someone with super speed,

1063
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: like a flash. Yeah, like a flash. So not in

1064
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: Hussain Bolt, who is very fast over short distances, but

1065
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: someone who's very fast running at one type of speed.

1066
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 1: But it was looking for something that was just super

1067
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 1: speed in general, and the closest I could find was

1068
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 1: what we I guess we could call super reflexes. There's

1069
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: a there's a guy who holds a very very specific

1070
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: record for this in the Guinness Book of World Records,

1071
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: which is admittedly not the not the most solid source.

1072
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: But his name is Isau Machi and he is from Chiota, Tokyo, Japan.

1073
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 1: He is fast enough with his sword that he can

1074
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: cut BB pellets in half and the let's see, I

1075
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: think there's.

1076
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 2: A video you can watch of this. I remember seeing

1077
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 2: this on Reddit slash videos.

1078
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: And that says that that to me, it seems to

1079
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 1: indicate that his reaction time is much much quicker than

1080
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: the average bear or the average sword wielding bear. Absolutely,

1081
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: so this this seems neat. Now this is a question

1082
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: for the audience. Is this something that has learned or

1083
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Speaker 1: is this something genetic? You know what I mean? Aside

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Speaker 1: from the technique you have to learn to wield a sword.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there are a lot of proper techniques that take

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Speaker 2: a long time to learn that I think he's yeah,

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Speaker 2: probably had to have mastered to be able to do this.

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Speaker 1: But like, okay, here's the question. If you were playing

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Speaker 1: Whack a mole or something. Would he be the world

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Speaker 1: champion of that too? Would he just be like maybe

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Speaker 1: because he would react so quickly.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's a good question.

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Speaker 2: We should put him in front of on those machines.

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Speaker 1: We should write to him. He set the record in

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Speaker 1: twenty thirteen. He's probably still around. Oh yeah, and you

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Speaker 1: know what I Betty replies to emails very quickly. Oh

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Speaker 1: that was not worth it. But these are some of

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Speaker 1: the powers we collected today, and yes, some of them

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Speaker 1: may seem more useful than others. But it leads us

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Speaker 1: to a big question that I don't think we quite

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Speaker 1: answered in our first episode of this series, and that

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Speaker 1: question is why does this actually matter? Right so far,

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Speaker 1: it sounds pretty inspiring or at least interesting through various means,

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Speaker 1: certain parts of the human population, As you said, Matt,

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Speaker 1: very small parts of the human population have acquired fascinating

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Speaker 1: and at times supremely useful abilities, and people will even

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Speaker 1: argue that certain things, their genetic disadvantages, are themselves extraordinary abilities.

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Speaker 1: I'm partially colorblind, but if someone was like Ben, what

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Speaker 1: are you going to do with this amazing ability to

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Speaker 1: not see all the colors. I would shrug because it's

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Speaker 1: it seems relatively useless, right, But at this point, there's

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Speaker 1: no threat of an ascendant superhuman class, right, a race

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Speaker 1: of superior.

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Speaker 2: People, thank goodness.

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Speaker 1: Kind of there's kind of not the billionaires, but there is. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's the thing. There is a threat of this happening

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Speaker 1: because as we speak, as we record today, in twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 1: three countries have been conducting extensive research on human enhancement

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Speaker 1: projects that touch on almost every single ability we mentioned

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Speaker 1: in this series, with the exception except for globe luxation, yes,

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Speaker 1: and maximum luxation thank you. Yes, the Pentagon is not

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Speaker 1: as concerned with that yet. But we know for a

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Speaker 1: fact that not only three countries doing this, but they

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Speaker 1: have been doing it for years, for possibly decades, well,

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Speaker 1: definitely decades now it's twenty eighteen. Back in the nineties

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Speaker 1: and late eighties, the US, particularly the Pentagon, began investing

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Speaker 1: huge amounts of money and research in the creation of

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Speaker 1: super soldiers, individuals enhanced through technology, drug use, and nowadays,

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Speaker 1: in the future the very near future, genetic alteration to

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Speaker 1: make them impervious to pain with superhuman stamina, super strength reflexes.

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Speaker 1: That put is how Machi to shame and even superhuman

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Speaker 1: intellect and no need to sleep. But here's the frightening thing.

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Speaker 1: The US government claims that they started doing this because

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Speaker 1: China and Russia, for the Soviet Union at the time,

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Speaker 1: were already operating enhanced human programs for similar purposes to

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Speaker 1: build super soldiers. And the implied threat here is that

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Speaker 1: other nations do this without following the same ethical constraints

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Speaker 1: as the US does in theory on paper, but you

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Speaker 1: know whatever.

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Speaker 2: That is really freaky, especially when you think about some

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Speaker 2: of the efforts that Germany was making back in the

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Speaker 2: day to you know, make the uber bench and actually

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Speaker 2: I guess non genetic manipulation, but some breeding stuff that

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Speaker 2: was going on and some of the there was some

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Speaker 2: creepiness going on in Germany. And to think that it's

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Speaker 2: spread out amongst all these other superpowers, now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, because the Soviet Union in China survived World

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Speaker 1: War Two but Germany did not, just a lot of

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Speaker 1: its scientists. Yeah. So yeah, and then even in the

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Speaker 1: recent years, you know, news came and went about China's

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Speaker 1: alleged eugenics program for basketball players, which has a surprising

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Speaker 1: amount of sand to it. So that's the conclusion today.

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Speaker 1: The scary thing is the superpowers themselves want superpowers, and

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Speaker 1: they're not going to stop researching them. People, most likely

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Speaker 1: soldiers and analysts with extraordinary abilities, are on the way,

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Speaker 1: and the only debate now is who will get them

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Speaker 1: and how these powers will be used. People who are already

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Speaker 1: arguing this violates the Geneva conventions, but there's not really

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's not really a compelling way to stop this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, even to get it on the books anywhere. If

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Speaker 2: it's happening beneath the black budget of let's say a

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Speaker 2: Pentagon or some other you know, more secretive budget.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, what do you think

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Speaker 1: is it already I this is just my opinion, but

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's already gone too far, and the

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Speaker 1: possible medical benefits are so attractive and have the potential

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Speaker 1: to help so many people that they will always be

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Speaker 1: used as a rationalization to build like these unsleeping, unfeeling

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Speaker 1: murder machines.

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Speaker 2: I think it's not needed anymore. For the same reason

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Speaker 2: that I don't understand the biohacking, wetwear stuff. All of

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Speaker 2: that kind of research has been switched over to artificial intelligence.

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Speaker 2: And drones and robotic that because you don't need a human,

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Speaker 2: you don't need to breed a human, you just build

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Speaker 2: a thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you don't think it's sort of an extension

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Speaker 3: of like extreme body modification culture and kind of fads

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Speaker 3: or whatever, like the idea of being the complete architect

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Speaker 3: of your own physicality.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, I see that. I see that. I'm

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Speaker 2: speaking specifically to superpowers, the national countries, the superpowers trying

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Speaker 2: to create super human soldiers.

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Speaker 3: Oh sure, I'm just saying it seems like the time

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Speaker 3: for that is past.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it's still there, and it's creepy that

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Speaker 2: they're doing it. They're probably still doing it because why

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Speaker 2: would you stop. It's just there's probably not as much

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Speaker 2: money going into it as there is going into the

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Speaker 2: AI cheap drones kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: Well, it also depends on the nature of the military.

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Speaker 1: So one of the greatest resources that the military of

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Speaker 1: China has is a massive population. So is it at

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Speaker 1: what at what point is it more cost effective to

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Speaker 1: modify those people versus manufacturing a drone. It's a weird

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Speaker 1: way to think about it.

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Speaker 3: It's a good way to think about it. It's brutal

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Speaker 3: not good. It's I mean, yeah, because to some and

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Speaker 3: at some point in some society, perhaps the cost of

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Speaker 3: human life is cheaper than the cost of good tech.

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Speaker 1: And then there's also the AI problem, which is right now,

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Speaker 1: most of what we think of as AI is not

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Speaker 1: a machine consciousness. It's something that is able to solve

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Speaker 1: certain problems very well or maybe find certain patterns right

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Speaker 1: very quickly.

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Speaker 2: Think about it this way, though, to grow an effective

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Speaker 2: combat ready human being, it takes what fifteen to eighteen years.

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Speaker 1: Hmm, yeah, that's a good point too.

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Speaker 2: So to make a you could mass produce a drone

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Speaker 2: I mean pretty easily and pretty cheaply at this point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we have to be privy to some numbers

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Speaker 1: that would be pretty frightening, yeah, to make the call

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Speaker 1: on that. But I bring up the AI because would

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Speaker 1: it be better to enhance. So AI doesn't have the

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Speaker 1: capability and in some cases it's ethically constrained from making

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Speaker 1: some decisions, right, It doesn't have the ability to make

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Speaker 1: all the nuances of analysis that a human can at

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Speaker 1: this point. So if we're warmongers, right, if we're war leaders,

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Speaker 1: do we make an imperfect AI, or do we bend

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Speaker 1: the rules of ethics and hook someone up such that

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Speaker 1: through implants they can communicate directly with a drone or

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Speaker 1: with a machine. And then, hey, while we're in their brain,

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Speaker 1: why don't we put in an implant that we'll be

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Speaker 1: able to deliver systemized instructions to them or turn off

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Speaker 1: emotional reactions, both of which are.

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Speaker 3: Possible, or you know, explode it they try to run away.

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Speaker 1: Both, you know what I mean. Make it a one

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Speaker 1: stop shop. Let's just let's go for it. I could

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Speaker 1: see that happening, and I could see people signing up

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Speaker 1: to don't jay at the korams and so on, don't

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Speaker 1: listen to him.

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Speaker 3: Well, what do you think? Let us know, there's a

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Speaker 3: lot to chew on here. This has been a fun one, Ben,

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Speaker 3: You're right. These were a little different than the ones

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Speaker 3: in our part one episode. And I get the connection

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Speaker 3: to the Great Lakes Avengers now because some of their

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01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:22,639
Speaker 3: powers are a little, shall we say, underwhelming. But wrapped

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01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:25,719
Speaker 3: up in some of these slightly useless and underwhelming powers

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01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:29,560
Speaker 3: are a lot of good thought experiments and interesting ideas,

1241
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,639
Speaker 3: and the notion of what it means to be human,

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Speaker 3: I think is really at the forefront of these discussions.

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01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 3: So I'm really into it and I thought it was

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Speaker 3: a fun one.

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