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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we are a mortal. I'm

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Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal here in the Chris Westling podcast studio, joined

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Speaker 1: by my friend Jordan Rodrieg.

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Speaker 2: Hello, she's back.

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Speaker 3: Here, I'm back. We're back in air conditioning.

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Speaker 2: Big week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're you're going to be traveling around to training

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Speaker 1: camps once again, but we have you in the studio

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Speaker 1: for a couple of shows this week that I'm excited about.

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Speaker 1: We have Mike Sando, your buddy works at the Athletic

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Speaker 1: talking about QB tears today and it gave me the

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Speaker 1: excuse to break out my own QB rankings. I'm getting

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Speaker 1: boxed in a little bit by QB Island, let's be honest.

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Speaker 1: Coming back next week, there's some breaking news for you, Steve.

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Speaker 2: We've booked Steve Weisch. It'll be excited.

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Speaker 1: It's a big get and I love QB Island and

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about that exercise when we get to it.

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Speaker 1: But it stopped me kind of from making my own

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Speaker 1: own QB rankings.

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Speaker 3: So love a ranking.

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Speaker 1: So me and Mike Sando, representing the fifty gms and

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Speaker 1: coaches and coordinators that he talked to, will have dueling

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Speaker 1: quarterback rankings but first, yeah, let's talk about mister a mortal.

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Speaker 2: That is the big truck. What do you even call it?

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Speaker 1: That Matthew Stafford entered at the RAMS facility on Monday

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Speaker 1: in lieu of practicing.

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Speaker 2: You you can explain it better than I can.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you're done getting your holistic treatment. Yes, and

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Speaker 4: certain therapies inside that thing that we're showing up for

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Speaker 4: our YouTube viewers showing on your screen right now, you

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Speaker 4: can always hitch it up and road trip across the country.

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Speaker 2: Just looks like a camper. Good call.

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Speaker 4: It looks like it looks like an airstream. Now, this

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Speaker 4: was brought in for the entire team. I was told,

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Speaker 4: and this is something that, Yes, was the timing poor

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Speaker 4: that Matthew Stafford just happened to walk into this trailer

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Speaker 4: for his treatment as practice was starting, as media was

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Speaker 4: coming out to practice on Monday morning, the day that

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Speaker 4: Matthew Stafford was supposed to throw in individual drills but

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Speaker 4: did not, instead walking in full sight into this.

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Speaker 3: You know, the timing maybe.

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Speaker 4: Couldn't have been a little bit altered there, but it

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Speaker 4: is what it is. He didn't throw Monday like he

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Speaker 4: was supposed to.

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Speaker 2: Couldn't have been better for a mortal though.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good pop for a mortal.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why I say that so awkwardly, but

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say a mortal, which this show maybe,

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Speaker 1: or immortal, which this show definitely is not. If you've

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Speaker 1: listened to the death conversations that Colleen and I have had.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, big death talk.

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Speaker 2: It's all.

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Speaker 1: It's the one thing we all have in common. Look,

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Speaker 1: this worry I've had, this lingering worry about Matthew Stafford.

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Speaker 1: Felt like it got worse on Monday because it came

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Speaker 1: after the good news that he actually had this extensive

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Speaker 1: workout before their preseason game, and then he's supposed to

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Speaker 1: practice on Monday, and they just said Steve Sean McVay

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Speaker 1: of different plans, that surgery was not one of them

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Speaker 1: that he discussed. That was really the newsy part, and

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Speaker 3: But still not throwing, as I said, for they have to.

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Speaker 2: Be getting a little more concerned in the rams.

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Speaker 4: As I said from the start to me personally, the

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Speaker 4: That's the most competitive they can get. And they can

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Speaker 4: also get schematically competitive in ways they're not doing in

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Speaker 1: Thanks change a little bit too. I think this would

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Speaker 1: you want all the preseason recaps. It's reportedly a meniscus

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Speaker 1: Another couple of injuries. Unfortunately, Alexander Madison, the backup running

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Speaker 2: You really hate to hear that. All the best to him.

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Speaker 1: And their backfields a little thinner now, he was definitely

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Speaker 1: couple of guys in their secondary I can't wait to

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Speaker 1: get to this Mike Sando conversation.

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Speaker 2: So let's us not wait anymore.

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Speaker 1: Here is us breaking down the quarterbacks, deciding what are

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Speaker 1: the ultimate tiers? So excited for this next segment of

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Speaker 1: the show talking QB tiars Jordan. You may not know this,

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Speaker 1: ever ranked quarterbacks before I did with QB Index, at

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Speaker 1: least not on a weekly basis. I don't fact check

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Speaker 1: that year after year I was doing it, not doing

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Speaker 1: it anymore. Nobody is doing it better right now before

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Speaker 1: the season in a creative, just all encompassing way than

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Speaker 1: Mike sandom of The Athletic, who dropped his quarterback tiers

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Speaker 1: on Monday morning, a rare piece of Internet content that

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Speaker 1: he talks to you a million people from around the league,

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Speaker 1: and you establish what are the quarterback tiers of twenty

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna push back.

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Speaker 1: With my own tiers here, Mike, but I am looking

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Speaker 1: forward to hearing everything that you learned over this process.

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Speaker 5: Well, I love it, and I'm going to put down first.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for having me here. It's been so long since

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Speaker 5: I've seen you guys on Thursday out at Thaanks camp

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Speaker 5: but which was great. But I'm going to have a meta.

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Speaker 5: I've got my results here and I'm going to keep

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Speaker 5: a column for yours. Greg. I'm going to put him

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Speaker 5: in there and then we'll see it. And then maybe

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Speaker 5: if I have time or afterwards, all like say you

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Speaker 5: you'll be Maybe you'll love it. I won't name the name,

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Speaker 5: but I'll just I'll just see you'll probably be close

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Speaker 5: to somebody, you know when I talk to fifty heres

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Speaker 4: Yeah. The name of the game today, Greg versus tears.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I picture, you know, John Snow in the

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Speaker 4: epic battle with the broadsword raised against all of the

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Speaker 4: takes from these fifty executives. Coaches, GMS former GMS league

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Speaker 4: personnel who have certainly have takes and shared them with

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Speaker 4: you anonymously. Here for a group of fifty polled for

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Speaker 4: quarterback tiers. Mike, So thrilled to have you today, so

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Speaker 4: thrilled to be instigating this entire thing. I'm very excited

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Speaker 4: to hear more about your process and about some greg

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Speaker 4: takes on the tiers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Like back back in the day, you know, when I

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Speaker 1: It had a running back column every year, Tiers of Heaven.

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Speaker 1: That would do great business. Let's just get into it.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's start with your your tier one, Mike, and

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Speaker 1: it's Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burrow tied at the very

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Speaker 5: Well, you know all of them, the first four of Burrow, Mahomes,

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Speaker 5: Allan and Jackson. You know, we're like overwhelming, you know,

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Speaker 5: I think they got forty seven and forty six votes

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Speaker 5: I think Stafford was one beforehand. You know, when you

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Speaker 5: Certainly he's had some injury issues. Even in camp, he

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Mike, it seems like he got some respect from

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Speaker 5: So well, I would say this. You know, last year

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Speaker 5: and I think people rightfully have had him as a

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Speaker 5: Go Greg like to me, like to me, like it

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Speaker 4: I'm the captain of the Baker Brigade, you know, I

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Speaker 5: He didn't get fifty Tier ones, and then this year

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Speaker 5: over the place. This is like a this is a reasoned. Hey,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree with how some of the respondents

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Speaker 1: I loved hearing that, and my tiers I think loved

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Speaker 1: So for me, I only had four guys in my

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the quarterbacks, Greg already does not like, did not

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Speaker 2: What does that mean? No, that's not true.

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Speaker 1: I'm evaluating like what I think is going to be

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Speaker 1: know if anything stands out to you, that's my period tears.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Dak stands out to me, because you know,

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Speaker 5: we forget that in twenty twenty three, I mean, he

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Speaker 5: I just you know that that fatigue factor someonime's with

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Speaker 1: It's not his fault though that he plays for the Cowboys,

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Speaker 5: I think that's not a bad way of thinking. Like,

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Speaker 5: having a reason to not give it to him this year,

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Speaker 5: and that didn't happen at all. He got five votes

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Speaker 4: I mean, by the way, someone surprising someone I'm pointing

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Speaker 3: Through his career, because you could very much see that

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Speaker 1: Maybe and you have you have a couple of respondents

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Speaker 1: To rank him. You had him eighth. Ultimately it wasn't

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Speaker 4: The way, oh he's changing the tiers because you have

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Speaker 1: team or not, this is where I went hurts Goff.

439
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Speaker 1: So that's nine, ten eleven for Stafford brock Purty. This

440
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Speaker 1: is where I get Gino in ahead of Baker, Drake

441
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,439
Speaker 1: may who I feel very strongly about this year to

442
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 1: a tongue of Iloa, Kyler and Trevor Lawrence are all

443
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Speaker 1: one big tier for me. And this is really based

444
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 1: on I actually didn't think Goff and Stafford had as

445
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 1: good twenty twenty four's as they didn't in twenty twenty three.

446
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 1: And you know he Goff didn't have a great playoff

447
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 1: game either, with the turnover where he plays against the Commanders.

448
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,480
Speaker 1: Everyone kind of, you know, forgets about that. But ultimately,

449
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,960
Speaker 1: these are guys who are like top ten type of quarterbacks.

450
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 1: I just don't know if they're like changing every single

451
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,480
Speaker 1: roster that they're on. Stafford to me was more of

452
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,600
Speaker 1: like a he's up some weeks, he's down some weeks.

453
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 4: Mike, I have a Kyler question for you. But first,

454
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 4: if you'll just pardon pardon me for just one moment.

455
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,680
Speaker 4: You are freaking crazy to at minimum have Matthew Stafford

456
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,680
Speaker 4: at tier two. At minimum you're putting him in Tier

457
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,439
Speaker 4: two and a half. I just cannot I cannot believe

458
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,720
Speaker 4: you've just done that. Okay, Mike, So, Kyler, what were

459
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,120
Speaker 4: what was surprising or maybe not surprising that you heard

460
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,479
Speaker 4: when you were digging up a little bit extra insight

461
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Speaker 4: about him. He's in your tiers. He is in tier

462
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 4: three's at the very top of tier three. He got

463
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Speaker 4: mostly tier three votes, one tier four vote, thirty two

464
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 4: Tier three votes, seventeen Tier two votes, no Tier one votes.

465
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Speaker 4: What did you hear when you were sort of assessing Kyler?

466
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say a number one theme has just

467
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,679
Speaker 5: been that he should be better in two minutes, and

468
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,480
Speaker 5: maybe that comes down to some of those close games

469
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 5: they do or don't win. I thought that was interesting.

470
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 5: I feel like he's been in a little bit of

471
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 5: a holding pattern in the last few years because of injuries,

472
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 5: and so I don't feel like there's a whole bunch

473
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Speaker 5: of new fresh on him. One of the things I

474
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Speaker 5: looked up just doing my own research, you know, one

475
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 5: of the concepts I do once or twice a year

476
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 5: is I look at the quarterback Betrayal Index, and that's

477
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 5: just basically how much are you betrayed or helped by

478
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 5: your defense and special teams and so like Kyler Murray

479
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,919
Speaker 5: over the last three years, I believe he's one of

480
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,679
Speaker 5: thirty two quarterbacks with I don't know, twenty five or

481
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 5: more starts something like that, and he's gotten the worst

482
00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 5: on an EPA per start basis support from defense, special teams,

483
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 5: and his offensive production during that time of those whatever

484
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 5: thirty two quarterbacks is like thirteenth. Yeah, and I'm not

485
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 5: saying that's all because of Kyler, but I think that

486
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 5: he's somebody who you know they're in ability to win,

487
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,120
Speaker 5: and maybe some of that two minute stuff held against him,

488
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,679
Speaker 5: maybe rightfully so, But like if he didn't have the

489
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 5: thirty second best you know, support defense, special teams, maybe

490
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 5: he would be one of those guys that has gotten

491
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 5: the playoffs one or two more times, and you know,

492
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,160
Speaker 5: maybe he wins one of those games. So I feel

493
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 5: like maybe maybe that as much as anything, could help

494
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 5: him be perceived at least as he low too, because

495
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 5: he certainly has a talent to be that.

496
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think his biggest issue is is kind of

497
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Speaker 1: why I knocked Stafford and did knock him down a

498
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 1: little bit. I saw him the top ten or eleven,

499
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 1: but that you weren't exactly sure what you're getting from

500
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 1: a week to week basis, with which I think happens

501
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 1: a lot with older great athletes, like even the best

502
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 1: of all time Lebron is in that stage of his career,

503
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: and I think Stafford had some duds last year that

504
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: you weren't used to seeing. To me, it was pretty

505
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: clearly his worst season in about a decade since a

506
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: couple of real lesser seasons, there weren't as many big throws,

507
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 1: and that's why I have a lot of.

508
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 2: Faith in him.

509
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 1: But when I'm comparing them in this tier to a

510
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 1: Hurtz or a golf it was fascinating to think about

511
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: GoF versus Stafford, that they're kind of occupying the same

512
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,120
Speaker 1: space right now. And then I got to the very

513
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 1: end of the tier, which to me includes Gino, includes Baker,

514
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 1: includes Purty, includes Kyler, and I want to talk a

515
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 1: little about Trevor Lawrence, and if if any of those

516
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,719
Speaker 1: guys kind of finished the head of the rest of

517
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: this tier, I personally wouldn't be that surprised. I think

518
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: if the situations around them and Kyler, for instance, in

519
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 1: the third year of his offense, just gets a little

520
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: more comfortable, a little more consistent. He's got a good

521
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 1: attitude this year. I'm buying the attitude. Then, Like to me,

522
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: they're all in roughly the same group where they're providing

523
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: an advantage, but they're not the top of the top.

524
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's interesting.

525
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 4: And what I liked about some of the intel that

526
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 4: you have here, Mike, is that you have people have

527
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 4: talked about a lot about the running threat Kyler does

528
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 4: present in some of these quarterbacks that you have included

529
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,919
Speaker 4: here in Tier three, similar sat as similar benefits to them.

530
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 4: They can make plays happen with their legs. They give

531
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 4: you an advantage. I also am buying the fact that

532
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 4: they're going to ask Kyler to do more designed runs.

533
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 4: When I was at Cardinals camp earlier this summer, I

534
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 4: saw a lot of those installs going in, so I

535
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 4: do very much buy that. It is interesting you have

536
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 4: another second year player on here who seem to get

537
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 4: a lot of respect from the people that you talk to,

538
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 4: your panel of fifty, and that's b Nix, And I

539
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 4: think coming into the season that's a little surprise that

540
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 4: maybe would be have been a little bit surprising to people.

541
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 4: But watching him play last season, I'm sure the things

542
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 4: that you heard about him maybe match the tape that

543
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:43,400
Speaker 4: you watched Mike.

544
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 5: Absolutely plus people are optimistic with him in the Sean

545
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 5: Payton offense that it's going to be good going forward,

546
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 5: So good situation. He had a top five ish defense camp,

547
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 5: but I think that he showed an ability to kind

548
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 5: of make place, you know, on the move, and keep

549
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 5: his eyes downfield and threaten the defense obviously he's a

550
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 5: pretty good runner.

551
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 4: Two.

552
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 5: I think people just sort of liked what he was

553
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 5: all about. There was really no red flags on him

554
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 5: or yeah butts or huge concerns. I think there was

555
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 5: a lot of optimism on him. And so when you

556
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 5: look at the twenty twenty four quarterback draft class six

557
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 5: in the first round, it was pretty interesting that while

558
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 5: Caleb Williams was picked number one overall, obviously Jayden Daniels

559
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 5: is number one now of this group, and then it

560
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 5: was and then it was Bo Nicks, and then Drake

561
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 5: May and then Caleb. There's not a lot of separation

562
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 5: between Drake May and Caleb, but I think Bo Nix

563
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 5: there was a lot more optimism now than maybe for

564
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 5: some people coming into his rookie season.

565
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: Let's look at that tier three that you're talking about,

566
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: that bow Knicks is in, it's Kyler at the top

567
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: of it. Then it's Aaron Rodgers Tuas down at seventeen,

568
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: which I don't think Dolphins fans will love. Trevor Lawrence

569
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,479
Speaker 1: at eighteen. Gino I did, like I know, was at

570
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: least I wasn't expecting miracles here, but Gino at least

571
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: was ahead of Bo Nicks and Darnold and then the

572
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 1: really young guys Drake May and Caleb Williams staying in

573
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: this tier for a minute, I couldn't help. I did

574
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: some scouting on you, Mike, come up with some oppo

575
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 1: research a couple of years ago.

576
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 2: In this very QB tiars.

577
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: I mean, these these geniuses had Lamar Jackson and Trevor

578
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: Lawrence all but tied as the seventh and eighth best

579
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the league. They also had Deshaun Watson in

580
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: the same tier as those two guys coming off one

581
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: of the worst seasons I've ever seen. It was a

582
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: half a season for the Browns, but to me, it

583
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: was pretty obvious. So I think that speaks to your

584
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: point that maybe they're a little late sometimes to adjust.

585
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 1: But at that point, man, they had Trevor up there

586
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 1: with Lamar, which even at the time I think was

587
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 1: completely insane. There was never a point where I think

588
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 1: those two guys should have looked at the same. But

589
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: there is a little fatigue, I believe, with Trevor Lawrence

590
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: right now for him to be down below Aaron Rodgers.

591
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 1: I don't think that's true personally, but he's around the

592
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: same ranking in my tiers as well, Like, what did

593
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: you hear about about Trevor Lawrence?

594
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I think there's definite questions about him and

595
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 5: just his consistent accuracy. And another thing that came through

596
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 5: for somebody who was so harolded coming out, like what's

597
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 5: his special trait? What's Trevor Lawrence great at? Is there anything?

598
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 5: And I think that's a tough question to answer.

599
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 4: It's all things you want him to be great at

600
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 4: because of how he's built.

601
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 3: That's the thing.

602
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 4: He's so big and athletic seeming that you you're almost

603
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 4: like projecting what you want him to be versus him

604
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 4: actually showing up and doing that thing. And scouts, Mike,

605
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 4: you know, Greg, you know, scouts fall into this so

606
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 4: often when evaluating prospects coming up in the draft. Is

607
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 4: projecting your want onto somebody who looks the part versus

608
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 4: actually thinking they can fit in and do this. Now,

609
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 4: there's situational things with the organization have not been his fault,

610
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 4: been a disaster in some cases. But I really think

611
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 4: it's interesting you talk to a former GM said he

612
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 4: hasn't proved that he can take the team up a

613
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 4: level or make the team play better than they are

614
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 4: I definitely think Liam Cohen can help him.

615
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 3: If he is able to be helped. I mean, that

616
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 3: said so much to me.

617
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like Liam Cohen, there's more hope for Liam

618
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 5: Cohen than there is for Trevor crazy crazy now when

619
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 5: you go back, yeah, when you go back and take

620
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 5: snapshots from the past, I will say in defense of

621
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 5: some of the voters, like Labarr a couple of years ago,

622
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 5: was coming off injuries and there were questions about him

623
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 5: and all of that, and and Trevor Lawrence had a

624
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 5: good year, you know, so I think there was you know,

625
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 5: there was greater hope for Trevor Lawrence at one point.

626
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 5: And I was disappointed last year, not just in him.

627
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 5: I know he was hurt, but I just felt like,

628
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 5: you know, Doug Peterson wasn't really bringing a lot to

629
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 5: this either. So that's where maybe some of the hope

630
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 5: with the fresh start with Liam Cohen, who's you know,

631
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 5: obviously isn't overly proven at this stage, but there's some

632
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 5: optimism there that maybe, uh, maybe they can be a

633
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 5: little bit more enterprising overall.

634
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 2: I think that's right.

635
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: But I also think even though Trevor was coming off

636
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,719
Speaker 1: a good year, like there was always a little bit

637
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: of extra projection on him because of who he was

638
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: coming out and the accuracy that I love your your

639
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: respondents mentioned has never been there for me, and to

640
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: me that's such a basic thing. But he's always just

641
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: missed way more throws than you expected. Then again that

642
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: that knock of like what is his elite elite trait?

643
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: They gave that to Gino too. They're like, he's pretty

644
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: good at everything. Nothing stands out as lad. There's not

645
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: one x men power where you're like, fit this guy.

646
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 4: How about research on Greg by the way, big Geno guy.

647
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: I mean, how about when the entire Seattle offensive line

648
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: is collapsing and he's throwing a dime with anticipation that

649
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: you don't even see coming.

650
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: If nothing else. To me, he pops.

651
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: If you want to knock him, it's there's some ups

652
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: and downs where he's a little too aggressive.

653
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 3: But we are a GM family.

654
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 5: I kind of liked you. I feel like I kind

655
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 5: of like you know some of that is you know,

656
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 5: we love the story. I mean, we love the story

657
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 5: of Gino, but shoot, Seattle gave up on him. Now

658
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 5: I know they have a new regime, and it wasn't

659
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 5: you know, Pete Carroll not there anymore. But I feel

660
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 5: like Gino the last couple of years, maybe a year ago,

661
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,719
Speaker 5: should have been higher than He's like a three point Oh,

662
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 5: he's like a three all the way. And I feel like,

663
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 5: like in a game all l sequel or go with

664
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 5: the guys, I guess, go with the guys ahead of him.

665
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 5: How many the guys ahead of him? In tears would

666
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 5: you better have Gino? Let's just say, for in a

667
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 5: close game in the fourth quarter, I'd take him over

668
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 5: Trevor Lawrence right now, I'd take him over to.

669
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 4: I'd take him over Rogers, I'd take him over Rogers,

670
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 4: take him over Tyler, Yeah.

671
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 3: I would take I would take him at the very

672
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 3: top of this tier.

673
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, j Jordan's with me.

674
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, I kind of like that too. I would have

675
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 5: no problem with him being a little bit higher than that.

676
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 3: So welcome to the Welcome to the side, Mike.

677
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know you're not the one voting, You're

678
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: not held responsible. I do want to point out, as

679
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: I often do my own progress here, that you know

680
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: the fact that I've got Baker and Gino right now

681
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: to each other.

682
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 2: G you know what was that?

683
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: But like Baker's right there in the top fifteen. Brock Purty,

684
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: I think it's gotten better. He fell in your tiers.

685
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: To me, he improved last year, and I think he

686
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: deserves to be in that tier two. Let's put up

687
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: Let's put up my uh next tier as well. But

688
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: to me, Perty, actually, I thought kind of cemented himself

689
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: as a as a real guy that's going to be

690
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: around for a long time. So I just gave you

691
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: that long tier that included Purdy. But let's go to

692
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: my third tier.

693
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 5: Eric.

694
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 2: The last one was two point five. It gets easy.

695
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 4: Mike Sando's tier four to the listeners and watchers, Greg

696
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 4: has changed the tiers to two point five.

697
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 5: Two point five is totally screwing me up here. I

698
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 5: got to put decimal points in the column.

699
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 2: All right. For me, it's three and four.

700
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: But I was, you know, you have these evaluations like

701
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: this kind of quarterback is going to help certain weeks.

702
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 2: I wanted to separate it.

703
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: To me, tiers are are naturally wherever you put them,

704
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: wherever you think there's a drop off, and I did

705
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: think there's a little bit of a drop off. I

706
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: want to see it again from bo Nicks, have him

707
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: ahead of kill Boy.

708
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 5: Heleb, Bryce and Pennox are your tier threes.

709
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: Yes, Bo, Caleb, Bryce, and Pennox, And they're kind of

710
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: just like a tier of you know, I expect them

711
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: to move up to that two point five or what

712
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: is really the three, but they just need to see

713
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: a little more, a little more a sample side.

714
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah, yeah, that's fine. Yeah,

715
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 5: that's the one area in the tiers where it's a

716
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,239
Speaker 5: little difficult sometimes. Is that? For me? Tier four is

717
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 5: like either you know, Russell Wilson ish where you're kind

718
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 5: of maybe he's not the full season starter anymore. But

719
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 5: it's also JJ McCarthy becauseos so some of those things

720
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 5: get a little bit skewed.

721
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: You know, that's fine, all right, And then Rogers is

722
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: the craziest one to be put up my tier four.

723
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 2: By the way, we'll do.

724
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 3: A tier four. It's not at three point oh yeah,

725
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 3: we keep going.

726
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: I've got Darnold here, which is around the same ranking

727
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: where you had him, but a tier below because I

728
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: don't think he has as much long term promise as

729
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: those young guys we just mentioned. And then to me,

730
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: it's Rogers, it's JJ McCarthy just because we haven't seen it.

731
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: Justin Fields, Kirk Cousins, Anthony Richardson. I don't think you

732
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: want to be going into your season with these guys

733
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: as your starters. If anything, I'm giving Rogers too much love.

734
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe that he was still sixteenth last year,

735
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: and I get the reputation at all, but he's forty one,

736
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: forty two years old. Mike, what did you hear about Rogers?

737
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: A guy who really hasn't had a Rogers like season

738
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 1: in three years.

739
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 2: He had a bad year with.

740
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: The Packers and then he gets hurt and then an

741
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 1: even worse year with the Jets. To me, the tape

742
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: to me just didn't support that sort of tier.

743
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 5: Now he got votes in four tiers, so let's just

744
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 5: face it, nobody knows what you know. I think there's

745
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 5: a lot.

746
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 2: Of someone put him at the very top. That's crazy.

747
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 5: One person put him into here one, six put him

748
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 5: Intier four. So you know, there's a lot of respect

749
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 5: that he's earned, you know, over the years, and no

750
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 5: one really is signing up to want to play him

751
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 5: because you know, on any one day he could. He's

752
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 5: a pain. But I think that you know, his combination

753
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 5: of it at the age coming off the injury, which

754
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 5: is a two way, two edged sword here, because it's

755
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 5: bad to be coming off an injury, but he's a

756
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:57,919
Speaker 5: year removed from it, so he could be a little

757
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 5: bit better with his movement. There's some people banking that

758
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 5: a little bit. But then he reports in June he

759
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 5: has no history with Arthur Smith, the offensive coordinator. Questionable

760
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 5: cast of receivers in terms of the rapport with him.

761
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 5: DK Metcalf certainly talented but also emotional. And how's that

762
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 5: going to go? You know when Rogers gives him the

763
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 5: brush off, or gives him the icy stare, or gives

764
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 5: him the palms up, Like when he throws to the

765
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 5: place like he wants him to be and he's in

766
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 5: DK's running the other way, and like even Aaron knew

767
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 5: he was going to go the other way, but still

768
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 5: throw it where he's supposed to be. You know, that's

769
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 5: the type of stuff that I just wonder how it's

770
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 5: going to go over the course of a season. By

771
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 5: the way, now cold weather tough division. Late in the year,

772
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 5: what's he going to be at age forty one? I

773
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 5: think it's all fair.

774
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, Greg putting Sam Darnold after the season he had

775
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 4: in the upside along with a declining Aaron Rodgers in

776
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 4: the same tier as nasty work, by the way, but

777
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 4: I will say that it's I love this that you

778
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,959
Speaker 4: got about Rogers. I think this says everything, and frankly, Greg,

779
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 4: it says a lot about why he should be still

780
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 4: grouped in with players who are ascending in their career

781
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 4: right now, which is too slow to consistently win with

782
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 4: his legs, yet his mind and hard count will have

783
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 4: your disguise broken and your d line in the neutral

784
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 4: zone multiple times per game. There are these little mental

785
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 4: micro advantages that having a guy who has just first

786
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 4: of all, seen that much football, who has played that

787
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 4: much football, who knows all of the little technical tricks

788
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 4: and all the little things that can get your defense

789
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 4: feeling unsettled and a little bit rattled, and maybe is

790
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 4: not going to be able to trust his legs and

791
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 4: to throw on the move as much. Maybe they're going

792
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 4: to play action him more, which he hates to do.

793
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 4: But maybe we'll see that a little bit more so

794
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 4: he's in those natural boots versus the out of structure

795
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 4: work that we've seen him create with before. But this

796
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 4: is so interesting to me that they're sort of understanding

797
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 4: this is kind of it where he's at physically, but

798
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 4: he still has these little things that will give you

799
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 4: edges and advantages at the head of Tua.

800
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 2: Is nasty business.

801
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: I mean when when tuas on the field, he's a

802
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: pretty big difference maker, maybe the most accurate, you know,

803
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL. Like no other offense falls apart

804
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: quite like the Dolphins when he's not on the field.

805
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: So I do feel like Tua got a little underrated here.

806
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: We got to wrap it up soon. But we'll just

807
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: fly up our final tiers. My last tier, Tier five

808
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: just kind of the rest of the guys essentially, Russell Wilson,

809
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: Spencer Rattler, Daniel Jones, Joe Flacco. I kind of forgot

810
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: about Kenny Pickett. You voted him in there. You know,

811
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: he wouldn't even make that tier for me. And then

812
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: your final tier is a little bigger. It has Russ

813
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: it has you know, justin Fields, Pennex McCarthy, Daniel Jones,

814
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco, Anthony Richardson, and rather so just the guys

815
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: at the end.

816
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 5: So where do you have Anthony Richardson? Where did you

817
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:51,919
Speaker 5: put him?

818
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: He was that tier at the back end of the

819
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: tier higher, just because I just have a little hope

820
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: he was at the back end of this. Sam Darnold,

821
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: Rogers feel rich.

822
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 3: Just look at this teer.

823
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 5: This is a group, This is all over the place.

824
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 5: So young guy's never played.

825
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 3: This is so young.

826
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 2: Guys never played JJ McCarthy.

827
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 5: These are like three four thousand yard pastors that are

828
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 5: limping around to half the time.

829
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 1: I think if Kirk Cousins played this year, I would

830
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: give him a little more pop of the now heasy

831
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: year removed from injury and actually had some pass in

832
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: film last year.

833
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 5: Rogers and Richardson in the same one. When Richardson is

834
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 5: like the first place you broke broke in the preseason,

835
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 5: how about how about the lack of recognition by Richardson

836
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 5: just gets ear hold on a totally basic cause it's

837
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 5: probably a fair plaint. And now Rogers is in the

838
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 5: same bucket. Rogers would have seen that, like, you know,

839
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 5: in his sleep, hopefully at the stage of his career.

840
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 5: But yeah, these things get hard.

841
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: This is why I won in this tear battle, and

842
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: it's because I added chaos to the mix that broke

843
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: your brain. I was trying to be, you know, an.

844
00:38:58,960 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: Agent of chaos.

845
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: That's why I put Stafford in golf right next to

846
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 1: each other, just to make all the Rams and Lions

847
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: fans mad at each other to it and Trevor all

848
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: of that.

849
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 5: Off the top, I said, you were going to align

850
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 5: with one of my voters, but now you're in volund tears.

851
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 5: I think we're lost it all right before.

852
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: We let you go, what was the biggest I know,

853
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 1: like you might be surprised about what the votes come in,

854
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: but what's the most you know, surprising reaction from fans,

855
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 1: like in terms of where they like, you didn't see

856
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 1: that coming.

857
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 5: Jalen Hurt's way too low according to not just Egle fans,

858
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 5: but some of the people in media even that I've

859
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 5: I've had companie with so far today. Yeah, and I

860
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 5: just didn't see that coming. I think I understand. I

861
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 5: think the voters understand good player, but he's got a

862
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 5: ton of great stuff at random. They took the bot

863
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 5: of his hands to run it with Berkley because that's

864
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 5: their best interest. And I get the feeling that if

865
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 5: he was on a league average team, he'd probably be

866
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 5: a little bit lower in this, not higher. I don't

867
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,439
Speaker 5: think he would necessarily carry them in that way. So

868
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 5: I'm with where he's at, top ten. He's won of

869
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 5: Super Bowl, you know, been to a couple of them.

870
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 5: I didn't find this disrespectful, but some people were like,

871
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 5: he should be in tier one.

872
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 4: Mike, have you over the years grown accustomed to bearing

873
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 4: the burden of outrage on behalf of protecting all of

874
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 4: your voters every single year? Well?

875
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, to some degree. The biggest relief in this thing

876
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 5: for me, the battle that I was hated fighting was

877
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 5: when Lamar would be at the top of tier two

878
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 5: and he's like an MVP, and you'd have to get

879
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,959
Speaker 5: into the nuances of what people are saying. I think

880
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 5: now the last couple of years, where his production has

881
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 5: only been so good, but clearly he has not been

882
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 5: what's holding them back in the playoffs. And I think

883
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 5: that that was a hard thing earlier, because there's always

884
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 5: been a feeling in the league with evidence that you know,

885
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 5: the guys who rely on their legs and are inconsistent

886
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 5: passers die in the playoffs, you know, and that's kind

887
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 5: of had happened to Lamar. And so the fact that

888
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 5: I think he's broken through that, that's great. Because for

889
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 5: a couple of years there it's like, Okay, Mike, great

890
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 5: job in the Tears. Now Lamar Jackson's done in Tier

891
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 5: one and then I've explained that for half the show.

892
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 5: I'm done doing that.

893
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: We didn't even it's still stupid though he's behind Burrow.

894
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: Who are these three or four guys that aren't putting

895
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: Jackson and josh Allen for what it's worth in tier one?

896
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 5: Like there there are people who who think that, who

897
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 5: still are against too much reliance on the legs, and

898
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 5: that's what it is. That But clearly to me, josh

899
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 5: Anna and Lamar Jackson are passing well enough now that

900
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 5: that we don't need to have that discussion so.

901
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 2: That they are to us like a fishing passers in

902
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 2: the NFL.

903
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: Like That's the thing that that breaks my brain is

904
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: there's no world to Burrow has played better than those two.

905
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 5: But when you have to pass the ball and they

906
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 5: know you're going to pass the bats different than when

907
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 5: they're all gearing up stuff to run. And that's a fact.

908
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 5: And Lamar has done better than that with.

909
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 2: That get it, get it, get a man.

910
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 5: I don't do both at it.

911
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 4: I know what I said, Okay, said, we won't make

912
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 4: you talk about it, and yet we made to talk

913
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 4: about it.

914
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 2: It was don't have to any trauma. You're done. You're

915
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 2: done for the year. We should do this every year.

916
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 2: This was a lot of fun. I hadn't.

917
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: You got me out of the cave and got to

918
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: do some rankings which I hadn't done in a while

919
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: for quarterbacks. I appreciate you, Mike. Everyone check out Mike

920
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: Sando at the Athletic. Look he doesn't just pop up

921
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: once a year for quarterback tears. He's writing weekly. I

922
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: check out your column every Monday morning. One of my

923
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: my first things I read on Monday morning is Mike

924
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: Sando and does a lot of other great work at

925
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 1: the Athletic.

926
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 2: Appreciate you, Mike, Thank you, love it.

927
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: Thanks again to Mike Sando. We wrap up the show.

928
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: That was fantastic.

929
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 3: I love that so much with.

930
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: Something that I mentioned at the beginning of the show

931
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: that I don't know if you didn't pick up on

932
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 1: or you just didn't want to recognize it. I did

933
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: call you my friend right at the top of the show.

934
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

935
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: There was some pre show conversation of like whether we

936
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: were just whether we were friends or co workers.

937
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 4: You know. No, when Greg refers to someone else as

938
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 4: his only adult friend.

939
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 2: I didn't say only, I say one of my only

940
00:42:59,320 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 2: adult friends.

941
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: I go, thanks, Well, I was what I was trying

942
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: to say. There is like a friend that you have

943
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 1: that's completely outside of work, like divorced from work.

944
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 3: I get it. I'm I'm in a different tier.

945
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: No, it's just like we are friends. But this is

946
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,959
Speaker 1: outside of work. That's different. But no, you are friend.

947
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 1: We are friends. You are friend, you're the ranking, you.

948
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 2: Are my friend. I am a human, you.

949
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 3: Are my friend. Emotions ernest, Greg has left the building.

950
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: No, I'm feeling very earnest. Chris and Eric, you're my

951
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,959
Speaker 1: friends too. You're doing a great job every day, Chris

952
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: Pavona And.

953
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 4: Notice how Eric, do you notice how Greg only says

954
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 4: this on the air when we're recording, Like I never

955
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,720
Speaker 4: see him tell you guys this when we're all just

956
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 4: just us, no mics or anything like.

957
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, don't say anything important, not into a mic. Yeah,

958
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 2: kind of that part of life matter. This is when

959
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 2: we're really alive. Why say it if nobody can hear it.

960
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: That is a theme that we're going to continue on

961
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: our next show I'm really looking forward to I Can

962
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: Fix Them two thousand and twenty five. That's going to

963
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 1: be our next NFL daily show. You will hear in

964
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: the feed forties and free agents, Daniel Jeremiah and I

965
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: talking about some of the off season acquisitions.

966
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 2: You have something to say.

967
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 4: Our friendship is a mortal, and that's how you know

968
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 4: football is back.

969
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 3: Scared you