1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:06,199 Speaker 1: Hey here, we are back for another episode of Ask 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 1: Kevin Almost Anything. 3 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 2: We've been having a lot of fun with. 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: These and so we're happy that you're tuning in. I 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:19,479 Speaker 1: am here with the executive director of six degrees dot 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: Org and my friends Stacy Houston High Stacy, Hey. 7 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 3: KeV, good to be back. 8 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 2: How are you. 9 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 3: I'm doing well, doing well. 10 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 2: How are the girls? 11 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 3: You know, they we are raising strong girls. They are 12 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 3: they are bright and strong, and they are learning how 13 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 3: to say no to everybody, including mom and dad. 14 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 2: So awesome. 15 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: We used to say to so Se well Sosi had 16 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: the situation where she, you know, had an older brother 17 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: so who was a very very strong personality and in 18 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: his own right, and you know, it was really super 19 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: important to both of us and certainly Kira to make 20 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: sure that she found her strength and her voice. 21 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: It whatever it was, it worked. 22 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: Now that she's in her thirties, if she definitely tells 23 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: it like it is. But one of the things that 24 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: Kira kind of came up with, I think she sort 25 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: of came up with it was she didn't she used 26 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: to say use your power all the time. And you know, 27 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: with Travis, he was so powerful that you know, and 28 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: we didn't need to remind him, but associated it would be, 29 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: you know, just a message that we would always you know, 30 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: kind of. 31 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 2: Pound a table on. It's okay, just use. 32 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: Your power, tell us, tell us what's going on, tell it, 33 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: tell you know, don't don't get run over by the 34 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: by the little boys in your life, you know, and 35 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: you know, I don't need to tell you. There's so 36 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 1: many studies about you know, when girls stop raising their 37 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: hands in class. 38 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 2: And you know, all those all those things. 39 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: You know, we certainly have to try to plight to 40 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: guess that. 41 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 3: You know, that would have been a good phrase and 42 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 3: maybe we can incorporate it. I when Abby, my oldest, 43 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 3: was about two, you know, she was starting to communicate, 44 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 3: and you know, there would be other little kids in 45 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 3: her daycare or something like that that we're hitting or 46 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 3: biting or babe yell and be like you can't play 47 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 3: with us. And we were like, oh my gosh, this 48 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 3: is a lot for already, you know, two two and 49 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 3: a half. And Abby's response would always be like they're 50 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 3: just having a bad day, Like, oh my gosh. 51 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 2: That's amazing. 52 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 3: I guess this is great. But we were kind of like, Abby, 53 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 3: you have to stick up for yourself too, you know, 54 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 3: especially if someone's hitting you, I want you to say, 55 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 3: you know, please don't, don't, don't touch my body or 56 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 3: that sort of thing. And so now Abby is she 57 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 3: just doesn't want to do what we want her to do. 58 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 3: And we go to like take her and move her 59 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 3: from one place to another, she will yell on the 60 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 3: top of her lungs, don't touch my body. And it 61 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 3: has been very awkward for my husband Danny being oh, yeah, 62 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 3: we were on a road Oh yeah, we were on 63 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 3: a road trip and he was in taking her to 64 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 3: a bathroom break and I was waiting in the car 65 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 3: with Eloise and he came out real flustered with her 66 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 3: in his arms, and I'm like, that was quick? What 67 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 3: was going on? And he goes, you need to take her. 68 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 3: I'm like what He's like, I am trying to get 69 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 3: her to go onto the toilet and she is yelling 70 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 3: in a stall, don't touch my body on the top 71 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 3: of her lungs. In a male restroom at like a 72 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 3: rest stop. 73 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:02,119 Speaker 2: Wow. 74 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 3: Well, okay, so that's. 75 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 2: Oh boy, that that is something else. 76 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 3: It's a balance, you know. You know, she's in that 77 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 3: very impressional age. So she's she's learning it all. But no, 78 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 3: it's it's a lot of fun. I digress. 79 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: That's good. That is really good. 80 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: Well, we have been receiving questions or comments, uh that 81 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: have been related to animals, you know, animals people, the 82 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: effect that animals and people have on their lives. I 83 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: think probably because you know, a lot of people when 84 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: they comment on my social media, they'll they'll mention animals. 85 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: You know, we use a lot of animals in our 86 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: in our social medium. So our first comment today is 87 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: from Leanne speaks, and Leanne says, animals and music. It's 88 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: definitely a common DENI the dator, right, I believed I 89 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: could soothe my elderly dog in this way. Obviously I've 90 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: seen you sharing your music with your animal family. But 91 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 1: any surprising reactions, Well, yeah, I mean it's interesting that 92 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 1: I don't know that until the pandemic, I really thought 93 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: about the connection between animals and music. 94 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 2: Let me think about that. I mean, I've written at 95 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 2: least two songs about my dog or one of my dogs. 96 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: I grew up in a household that didn't have any 97 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: animals because my father didn't like dogs, and one of 98 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: the reasons my mother loved them. But my father just 99 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: wasn't really it to them. One of the reasons was 100 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: that we had a He got a dog for my 101 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: sister and the dog bit me. So I was the 102 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: youngest of six and there was a probably about it 103 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: was like an eight year age gap between my next 104 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: oldest sister and me and this little dog. I think 105 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: I probably was crawling over and trying to eat out 106 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: of its bowl or something. You know, it, you know, 107 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: bit me, and then whatever there was, I don't remember it. 108 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 1: I'm not one of those people that ended up with 109 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: a dog bite and then you know, was scarred for life, 110 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: either emotionally or physically by those things, because there are 111 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: those cases, and my father's like the dogs out of 112 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 1: here and we're not getting to know a dog. The 113 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: second I moved out of the house, I think probably 114 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: Tommy I was about twenty. I mean I moved out 115 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: when I was seventeen, but it only took me a 116 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: few years to get to adopt the dog from a pound, 117 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,799 Speaker 1: and you know that started years and years and years 118 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: of dogs, and between kir and I think we had 119 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: a total of five or something. 120 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 2: We don't have one now. And during the pandemic. 121 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: I also have always loved horses. Even though I was 122 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 1: a city kid, I felt a real connection with horses. 123 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 2: We were speaking on one. 124 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: Of these episodes about camp and that was like a 125 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: super important camp experience for me, was connecting with horses. 126 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 2: I liked the way. 127 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: I could just feel their energy and I could feel 128 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: they calmed me down. I like the way they smelled. 129 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: I like the way they felt. I like to be 130 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: on them, and as much as I like to ride them, 131 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: I also like to just kind of connect with them 132 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: and groom them and be in the stall and clean 133 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: out the stalls, and you know, all those things were 134 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: like I just felt the connection with So by the 135 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: time I was old enough to get my own place 136 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: and had enough money, I was looking for a place 137 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: where I could keep horses. And I got horses probably 138 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: in the eighties and have had big horses ever since. 139 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: But during the pandemic, I don't know, for some reason, 140 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: I decided that for our anniversary I should get Kira 141 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: some goats, and so I went and got these miniature 142 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: goats and they were there was two of them. They 143 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: were super super cute. I put them in a stall 144 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: them in the bar, and I didn't tell her about it. 145 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: And I went down and said, I have surprise for 146 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: you for our anniversary and took her in the stall 147 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: and there were these two goats looking at her, and 148 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: she loved them, felt a total connection with them. 149 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 2: Now. 150 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: Every day, for the first probably few months of their lives, 151 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 1: in order to kind of socialize them to people, we 152 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 1: kept them in a stall before we turned them out 153 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: into the field, and every morning and every afternoon, I 154 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: would go down and hang out with them. Sometimes in 155 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: the morning it would be, you know, with a cup 156 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: of coffee. Times in the afternoon I'd go down and 157 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: you know, sit there and drink a beer and just 158 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: hang out in the stall with these goats, and they 159 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: would come over, and you know, I would pat them 160 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: and they you know, just started to kind of like 161 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: connect it with them. And not to drop a name, 162 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: but Jimmy Fallon had sort of randomly sent me this 163 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: instrument that was a three stringed instrument kind of like 164 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: a almost like a doughbro if anybody's familiar with that, 165 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 1: or you know, with kind of like a drone droning 166 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 1: tone on it. And you know, I started playing it 167 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: and one day I was like, well, you know, trying 168 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: to play this thing of practicing it, I think I'll 169 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: just go out and play it with the goats. And 170 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: so i'd sit there and play this you know, funny 171 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: kind of instrument, and. 172 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 2: I don't know it just I'm not quite. 173 00:09:55,440 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: Sure whether it was that I was a calming down 174 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: because I was playing music, or if the actual music 175 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 1: was having any sort of effect on them, or or 176 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: if their energy was calming me down. But the whole 177 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: thing just kind of felt right with songs and music. 178 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: And then I started doing these silly goat songs. So, 179 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: you know, I would post on you know, social media, 180 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: different songs that I wanted to play, and I'd go 181 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: down and sing to the goats. And that menagerie has 182 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: expanded quite a bit since then. 183 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, I am. I knew a little bit about equestrian therapy, 184 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 3: you know, and that can be utilized to really help 185 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 3: comfort people in different types of ways and different types 186 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 3: of therapies. I feel like goats are popping up in 187 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 3: like yoga, Like everywhere, everything's like you know, goat yoga, 188 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 3: and people just want to kind of be near animals 189 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 3: in that sense. My mom had a stroke several years back. 190 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 3: She since past, but when she was rehabilitating in like 191 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 3: a therapy center, there would be a woman that would 192 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 3: come through with like a therapy dog, And honestly, I 193 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 3: think some of it was for you know her as 194 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 3: like the person that was working in that space and 195 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 3: trying to help others by sharing this passion that she 196 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 3: had for her canine. But I saw a lot of 197 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 3: people that didn't have a lot of visitors at all, 198 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 3: you know, no one was kind of there seeing them 199 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 3: day to day, and they really obviously took to getting 200 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 3: to spend time with the animals and just pet them 201 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 3: and kind of cuddle up with them. And no, I 202 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 3: think there's a real power in animals and humans and 203 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 3: that connection kind of understroken connection. 204 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, they say that the horse's heartbeat is pretty similar 205 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: two hours, and. 206 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 2: Uh you know, I I. 207 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: I've learned a lot about myself from from just kind 208 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: of spending a little bit of time with animals. I mean, 209 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: you know, because they can so often pick up on 210 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: you know, your your stress levels and and your energy. 211 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 2: You know, I'll see people that will. 212 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: Come and and hang out with our animals. We we 213 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: now have a situation where uh you know, there's we 214 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: have pigs and goats and chickens, and alpaca and miniature 215 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: horses and they're all sort of in this place together. 216 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: And a lot of times people's relationship to animals in 217 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: you know, kind of petting suit situations are is often 218 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: about food. And you know, of course an animal is 219 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: going to be responsive to food, but we always try 220 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: to you know, interact with them as much as possible 221 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: where there's no food evolve. And what I've noticed is 222 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: that they don't always need the food in order to 223 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: be interested to see you. You know, they will if 224 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: if you're I go out and just you know, sit down, 225 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: they'll just come hang out for no other reason than 226 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: you know. It's not like they come and you don't 227 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: have any food and then they just split. 228 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 2: They'll just they just want to hang out. 229 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: And I certainly have found that very very therapeutic. And 230 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: sometimes I just feel my heart rate coming down, my 231 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: starting to be more in touch with my breath, or 232 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: getting out out of. 233 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 2: My head a little bit. You know. 234 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: I think that one of the things that is it 235 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 1: can be really good about pet ownership. 236 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 2: Is that, you know, you you have to focus. 237 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: On something other than yourself a little bit. Now I'm 238 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: all about being self aware and you know, not bury 239 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: your head in the sand in terms of the problems 240 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: in the world or the or the problems in your 241 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: own personal life. But sometimes it's good to step out 242 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: of the of your own personal thoughts and your own 243 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: personal head. I mean, that's kind of what meditation is, right, 244 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: a way to kind of stop thinking a little bit. 245 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: And if you were sometimes with an animal, you're thinking 246 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: about that animal, you can, you know, just kind of 247 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: turn the volume down on the thoughts that at least 248 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: I can on the thoughts that are inside your habit. 249 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 3: That's a good way to describe it, turn the volume down. Yeah, yeah, 250 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 3: a little bit of a reprieve. 251 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 2: Yep. 252 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: I mean I think that, you know, obviously we've had 253 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: incredible you know, connections, and the kids have to to 254 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: their dogs. Both of both of my children, you know, 255 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: of course, are are pet owners, and a lot of 256 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: times I'm like, no, don't get another pet. Oh no, 257 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: what do you do when so much responsibility. 258 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 2: Especially especially dogs. I mean, dogs are so. 259 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: Much of your responsibility, and nobody everybody goes out and 260 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: just kind of gets one because their puppies are cute, 261 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: you know, and a lot of times they're they're not 262 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: willing to put the time in or they're willing to 263 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: to train them, train them. Yeah, it's it's a it's 264 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: a it is a it's a it's a problem. I mean, 265 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: you know, you you you really I've learned over the years, 266 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: even though we've had quite a few dogs, there's some 267 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: people would consider untrainable, but but we we put a. 268 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 2: Lot of time and a lot of effort into them. 269 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: And you know, the time that you spend and the 270 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: effort that you you do, you know, really does payoff. 271 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: I mean, it really does. It really does pay off. 272 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: But you have to know that. I guess what I'm 273 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: saying is I'm not not lobbying for you know, everybody 274 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: running out and getting a pet, but because you have 275 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: to know that you're going to be spending quite a 276 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: few years. You know, it's not just that's just going 277 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: to be the first few months or the first few years. 278 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: I mean, we had a dog, We had an eighteen 279 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: year old dog that was a that was a big 280 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: chunk of our lives that we spent, you know with 281 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: that with that animal and being responsible for that animal, walking, feeding, vetting, 282 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: caring for training, picking picking up poop, you know, just 283 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: buckets and buckets and poop add it all up. 284 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 2: You know, it's a big it's a big it's a 285 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 2: big thing. 286 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: I do think that there is a there is I mean, 287 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's been studies done about the possibility of 288 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: animals too to create a healing force of people's lives. 289 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Thanks Leanne, that was a really good question. 290 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 2: Yes, thank you, Leanne. 291 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,719 Speaker 3: All Right, you want to jump into question number two. 292 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: Okay, here comes to question number two. This is from 293 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: Ali Kenny. Hey, Kevin, I've been loving the podcast so far. 294 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 1: Thank you that the episode with Thomas Rhett was great. 295 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: I love hearing you talk about music. Speaking of music, 296 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: the legendary Paul McCartney is a big supporter of meat 297 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: free mondays. You should cover this on the podcast. 298 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 2: Ps. 299 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: I love the Bacon Brons and can't wait to see 300 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: you guys again in November. Oh well that's very nice. Yeah, 301 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 1: thanks Okay, So, yeah, that was a great episode with 302 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 1: Thomas Rhett. I really enjoyed it. I mean, I love listen. 303 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 1: One of the things I've loved about this podcast is 304 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: that it hasn't just been actors. You know, it hasn't 305 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: just been people from the from the movie business. 306 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 2: Uh, there's been. 307 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: Musicians and people in sports and uh you know, uh 308 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 1: reality television. 309 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 2: And you know we had deep Pop. 310 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: Choper the other day. It was uh a doctor and 311 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: a you know, spiritualist. 312 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 2: And and and and it's been. 313 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: Really that's been really kind of you know, really kind 314 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: of fun and and and interesting. And I'm so I'm 315 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: glad so getting with Thomas Rhett we're getting a jewel 316 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 1: for instance, we've had when those of you know, two 317 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: of the musicians that we've had. 318 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 2: It's just fun to talk music. 319 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: I'm always fascinated with, you know, people in terms of 320 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: like their songwriting process and what they feel about life 321 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: on the road and you know, trying to break out 322 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: and keep things fresh from creative staying. So so thanks, 323 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: I'm glad you. I'm glad you enjoyed it. And you know, 324 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: he's got this new record. 325 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 2: I think it's called. 326 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: Twenty right, it's like twenty twenty number ones or something 327 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: like that. 328 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 3: It's number ones. 329 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, number one has it. 330 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 2: Was like twenty of them. 331 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: I mean it's great, it's amazing, and it's great. 332 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 2: It's a great record. 333 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: He's a great writer, great singer and really good dude. 334 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 1: So I'm glad he was there with us. But now 335 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: the second question that you mentioned is about Paul McCarty 336 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: is meat free Monday. So I can tell you, you know, 337 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: when I meet actors, I've worked with a lot of 338 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: very very famous people and you know, the top top, 339 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: top actors ever in our in our business, I've gotten 340 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:57,959 Speaker 1: the chance oftentimes to interact with and work with, you know, 341 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: and you know actors, I love it. I think of 342 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 1: them as sort of colleagues. And it's doesn't really you know, 343 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: it doesn't really affect me that much or I don't 344 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: get thrown that much from from I don't get starstruck. 345 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 2: Let's put it that way. 346 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: If I meet a musician that I grew up with, 347 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 1: that's where I turned into the babbling, you know, kind 348 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: of like starstruck dude. And so I have met Paul McCartney, 349 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: and he is one of those guys that you know, 350 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: we've only met kind of in passing, but he's the 351 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: type of person that immediately sort of puts you at ease. 352 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 1: I don't know how people do that, you know, who 353 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: are that that well respected, that famous, that that type 354 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: of a person that words like genius have been applied 355 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: to you know so many times that a person that 356 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 1: is had such a musical and impact on all of 357 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: our lives when they're able to just make you feel 358 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: like you're just you know, talking you know, to your 359 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: dentist or whatever. 360 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 4: You know. 361 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's really it's really a nice it's a 362 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: nice it's a nice skill. 363 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 2: That he has in terms of that. 364 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 3: So yeah, I actually have to stop you real quick. Okay, 365 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 3: So you have that same effect. I can't tell you 366 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 3: the amount of times that we've you know, had people 367 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 3: that have met you and have done work with us 368 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 3: that are like Kevin is just you know, so easy 369 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 3: to talk to and and it's kind of disarming. I think, 370 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 3: you know, and I don't think. I think when people 371 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 3: aren't used to being around famous people, you know, they say, 372 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 3: don't meet your heroes, they're kind of nervous about that 373 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 3: bubble bursting. But I think similarly, you have that effect. 374 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 3: The first time I met you, I was super nervous 375 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 3: because I was like, what what to expect. I was 376 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 3: also coming to work for you, so it's like with 377 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 3: being your first day on the job, right, And I 378 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 3: remember you coming down from from the hotel with with Michael, 379 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,880 Speaker 3: and you said I'll just ride with you. And I'm like, okay, 380 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 3: and you jumped into my prius and I'm thinking, I hope, 381 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 3: do I need more insurance? But if I came to 382 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 3: a corrass it with Kevin Vacon, like what does that mean? 383 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 3: And but you immediately started asking questions about my family, 384 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,360 Speaker 3: you know, where I was from, if I had siblings, 385 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 3: and and really taking like a like just an authentic 386 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 3: approach of like getting to know somebody. And I do 387 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 3: think that not everyone does that. I mean, having done 388 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 3: this work for a good amount of time now almost 389 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 3: a decade, tell you that this is not always the case, 390 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 3: you know, and you so it's nice to hear that 391 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 3: Sir Paul McCartney is also a real genuine dude or 392 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 3: sir I guess, yeah. 393 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah he really, I mean he really is. 394 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: I mean I I of course I would, you know, 395 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: I love to someday spend more time. 396 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 2: And you know, I mean the think about it is 397 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 2: that I guess. 398 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: You have to kind of judge, uh, you know how 399 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: much somebody wants to share about you know, their work 400 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: and and the things that they've done, because you know, 401 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 1: you're you know, with someone like that, you can imagine 402 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 1: that the just so many people say, you know, you 403 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: just changed. 404 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 2: My life with that song. And I mean, you know, 405 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 2: at what point. 406 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: Do you keep do you keep responding to that or 407 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: do you still are you still open to hearing that 408 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:43,479 Speaker 1: type of thing? It's who knows. But I love the music. 409 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: I love the music with the Beatles. I love the music. 410 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 2: Beyond the Beatles. 411 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: And uh, and I just think he's a super super cool. 412 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 2: Guy and and and. 413 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope our paths cross again and me this mondays, 414 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: So I am Are you a vegan station? 415 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 4: No? 416 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 3: No, no, I have dabbled in the vegan arts. 417 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 2: You've dabbled right, okay, in the vegan arts. That's funny. 418 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 2: What for? For how long were you? 419 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 4: So? 420 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 3: I decided that I was going to do you know, 421 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 3: like many people, January approaches and you're like, I'm going 422 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 3: to do I'm gonna eat clean, right, So I told 423 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 3: my husband we were gonna eat clean for a month 424 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 3: and just kind of like reset start the year off right. 425 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 3: I guess what I didn't tell him is that we 426 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 3: were going to be doing vegan, which he really protested 427 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 3: pretty hard. Oh really, I think he's almose, adamant people 428 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 3: He's like, I need meat to survive, like I and he, 429 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 3: you know, was very cranky for about a week. But 430 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 3: then he, I think reset a little bit and was like, okay, 431 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 3: like we can eat some pretty delicious. 432 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: Me I need my marriage more exactly. 433 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 3: And it was then he also wasn't going to be 434 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 3: in the kitchen cooking every single meal, so I'm like, 435 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 3: you're eating what I'm cooking, or you can definitely cook 436 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 3: for yourself, which she's not opposed to, but he's, you know, 437 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 3: if I'm cooking, he's gonna prefer to eat that. So 438 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 3: it was fine. We did it for thirty days. I 439 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 3: did feel great. I'm not a big fan of like 440 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 3: tofu and things like that kind it kind of almost 441 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 3: gives me a headache. Yeah, Tempe is a little. 442 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 2: Just kind of wheat wheat. 443 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't actually know. I don't know that's soybean 444 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 3: as well. 445 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 2: Okay, well don't quote me on this, folks. Vegan. 446 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 3: I know we're clearly not vegans here, but I do 447 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 3: like the idea of meat free, eating meat free a 448 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:53,479 Speaker 3: few times a week. You know, I like cheese, so 449 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 3: it would be a hard thing for me to go 450 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 3: completely vegan in that sense. But what about you? Have 451 00:25:59,359 --> 00:25:59,959 Speaker 3: you ever tried it? 452 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 2: No? 453 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: I well not vegan. I mean I was a vegetarian 454 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: for a while. But you know what's funny about that, 455 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: I have this, I have a little bit of a 456 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: bone to pick here, so to speak. Shouldn't they're just 457 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: if you're a vegetarian, it's in the word. You should 458 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: just be eating vegetables. So I don't really see why 459 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: vegetarians and vegans should be different. If you're eating cheese 460 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: and eggs and occasionally fish, you're not a vegetarian. 461 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 2: I don't understand that. People say, but I'm a vegetarian, 462 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 2: but I eat. 463 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: You know, whatever animal products. You know, it doesn't make 464 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: any sense to me. So that being said, I was 465 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: a vegetarian for quite a few years. I was one 466 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: of those you know, I call it a bageltarian because 467 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: basically you're vegetar Harriet, but you eat cheese and bagels 468 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: all the time, and pizza and you know all those things. 469 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: It was really because I was dating a girl who 470 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: you know, wouldn't have wouldn't go out with me if 471 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 1: I was gonna eat you. 472 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 2: Know, bacon. 473 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,360 Speaker 3: Your last name, but I will not eat. 474 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. 475 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, And and you know, I now I don't eat 476 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: pigs anymore, and it's it's makes no sense at all. 477 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: But I love my pigs so much, Jude and Johnny 478 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: that the idea it just changed my mind about eating them. 479 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: And somebody once said to me, say, well, you don't 480 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: have to eat your pigs. You could eat other people's pigs, 481 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: and I said, that's fine. 482 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 2: I don't eat lamb. 483 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: I don't like Okra, but that's just because I don't 484 00:27:55,760 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 1: like Okra slimy. 485 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 3: The Okra thing. I don't know it at all. 486 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 2: Okay, it's not my thing. 487 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: All right, when when you're coming over from dinner, we're 488 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: not having oak or okay, you know. So I got 489 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 1: a couple of things that I'm not that crazy about, 490 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 1: not eating goats. 491 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 2: I mean, maybe it's just that I don't know. 492 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 1: Just the animals we have where I'm not eating. 493 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 2: But I don't know. 494 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: But I do certainly do have at least a day 495 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: a week of meatlessness. 496 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 2: I don't really know why. 497 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: I mean, partly because I kind of feel like it's 498 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: fun to experiment with different things to eat. 499 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 2: I mean, I like to do that all the. 500 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: Time, with with all different kinds of food, whether it's 501 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: you know, trying I don't know, suh or you know, 502 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: or something Indonesian or or you know, going to a 503 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: you know, an African restaurant or or you know whatever, 504 00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: just trying different you know things. Yeah, I love food 505 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: and I and I think it's interesting, you know, I 506 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: just having some friends over. I actually think it's kind 507 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: of interesting that people are starting to look closely at 508 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: the food that they eat and the things that they 509 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: put in their bodies. And hopefully we'll continue, as we 510 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: were talking about on the podcast, to look at the 511 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: source of the foods. 512 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 2: That we're eating. I mean, it is a really. 513 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: Sometimes frightening and overwhelming thing, but it is also great 514 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,959 Speaker 1: to kind of be, you know, aware of what it 515 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: is that you. 516 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 2: Know, you're willing to put in your body. 517 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: But I have some friends coming over for dinner, and 518 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: later on in the week and reached out to my 519 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: buddy and I said, okay, just remind me what's the 520 00:29:55,120 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: dietary thing. And he can't have anything that has any 521 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: kind of nuts in it. 522 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 3: And that's like a serious allergy. 523 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: Though no it's a serious no, no, no, it's really bad. 524 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: He's got the EPI pen and the whole thing ready 525 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: to go. Yeah, he's yeah, he said to me once 526 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: you know, you know, it's not a real party until 527 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: the EpiPen comes out. So he's a very funny guy. 528 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: He's very used to this. But also no seafood and 529 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: then I was like okay now, and then also gluten free, 530 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: so so you know, it presents challenges, but that's that 531 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: to me is what's really kind of fun about about 532 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: food and stuff is when you go, okay, well, you know, 533 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: working within these parameters, whether it's veganism or or you know, 534 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: allergies or whatever, you can you know, experiment with new 535 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: ways to create something delicious. 536 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 2: And I'm up for the challenge. 537 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. 538 00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 3: Absolutely, that was a good That was a really good question, 539 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 3: Ali Bacanism eating clean. There's a lot to unpack there. 540 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 3: Let's jump in. Our next question is actually a caller 541 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 3: in from Jack Thomas. 542 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 4: Hey, Kevin, my name is Jack Thomas pronounced shib. I'm 543 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 4: recording today because I want to ask what is your 544 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 4: personal experience and your opinion on the link between creative education, 545 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 4: mental health and creative careers. I'm an artist and former 546 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 4: art educator who has watched art and music and theater 547 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 4: programs be the first to go, or at least the 548 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 4: first impacted when budget cuts happen. This seems to mostly 549 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 4: affect districts that serve low income and BIPOP kids, speaking 550 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 4: from personal experience here. Consequently, these kids, just like I did, 551 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 4: often grow up with basically no support for creativity as 552 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 4: a mental health lifeline, and they definitely do not think 553 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,959 Speaker 4: of creative fields when they think about viable career paths. 554 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 3: Way too many of us get their way too, Lay. 555 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 4: I really love the work that my friend David Greiner 556 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 4: formerly A Bad Week, is doing with Brian Reynolds through 557 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 4: their recently launched nonprofit Creative Ladder, but they can only 558 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 4: do so much. 559 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 5: They're just one ord. 560 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 4: So what I'm asking is if you could send a 561 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 4: message to public school systems and the US about the 562 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 4: link between creative education, mental health, and career success, especially 563 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:22,959 Speaker 4: in creative fields. 564 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 5: What would it be? 565 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: Hey, Jack, thank you so much for this question. I 566 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: am a very very strong supporter of the arts when 567 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: it comes to mental health, and certainly starting with kids. 568 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: I was incredibly lucky to be raised in a household 569 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: where creative expression was put on a giant pedestal by 570 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: my parents. They really didn't care what are great? 571 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 2: Were like, they really didn't. 572 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: Give us any kind of messaging to a fault in 573 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: terms of like how. 574 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 2: To make money. 575 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: And they weren't big fans of sports. But uh, and 576 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: I'm not putting down sports and education and and and money. 577 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: But when it came to doing something creative, that was 578 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: put on a pedestal, and it was make a make 579 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: a drawing, sculpt something, create a costume, do a dance, 580 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: write yourself a song, write a play, pick up an instrument, 581 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: do anything of a of a of a creative nature. 582 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: And it was so informative for me, and not only that, 583 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: it was so important to. 584 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 2: My own mental health. Uh. You know, I've often talked 585 00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 2: about it. I've talked about it on the podcast. 586 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: Of getting into an acting class as a as a 587 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: young kid and all of a sudden feeling safe and 588 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 1: feeling like I had a place that I could express 589 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: myself in a way that I really wasn't able to 590 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,439 Speaker 1: in school or on the street. You know, a lot 591 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: a lot of it was wrapped up and being a 592 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: boy and you know, trying to be tough all the 593 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 1: time and survive, and all of a sudden in the 594 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: acting classes, you know, I could just kind of be 595 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 1: anything that I wanted to be. And in terms of 596 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: music in the public school system at that time, if 597 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: you wanted an instrument, you could get an instrument. 598 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 2: They would have. This is in Philadelphia. You know. 599 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 1: It would start, you know, as a as a little 600 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: kid with a recorder and they just gave you this, 601 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 1: you know, plastic recorder and you would play this little 602 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: kind of flute thing and figure out putting your fingers 603 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: on it and and learn a song. And then from 604 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 1: that point on, if you wanted music lessons, if you 605 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: wanted to be in the school band, it was it 606 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: was always always there for you. And those programs are as, 607 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: as you pointed out, the first to go when Cutts happened. 608 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: Stacey and I with six degrees, have been involved in 609 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: a couple of sort of creative and music based organizations, 610 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: one of which was called Rock in the Future, which 611 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,240 Speaker 1: is in. 612 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 2: Philadelphia, which is my hometown. 613 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 1: And what they do is they provide places for you know, 614 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: underserved communities and kids to make music, to play instruments, 615 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: to record, to put bands together. You know, these things 616 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 1: are happening in classical and in visual arts and all 617 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 1: the all this. 618 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 2: But you're right, it is. 619 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:07,399 Speaker 1: It is extremely important. And you know, I'm sure there's 620 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:12,240 Speaker 1: a lot tremendous amount of research and information about uh, 621 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 1: you know, kids and and their own mental health and 622 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: you know, around being able to have creative expression. But 623 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 1: you know what I always like to just you know, 624 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: kind of point the point, the example of which is 625 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: when people are playing music, Uh, nobody's getting hurt. You know, 626 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 1: no one's shooting each other, right, no one's you know, 627 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 1: you know, you know, you're not fighting. 628 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 2: You know, you're you're, you're, you're you know. 629 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 1: You're you're you're making music and and it's got to 630 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 1: be it's got to be a positive thing. 631 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 3: Do you thinks, Dave, oh, one hundred percent. And that's 632 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 3: actually one of the core ways we know Rock to 633 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 3: the Futures using it as a tool to reduce gun 634 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 3: violence and to create outlets. We're also you know, when 635 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 3: we interviewed the different students through these different network partners, 636 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,439 Speaker 3: they all said the same kind of underlying thing, which 637 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 3: was that they felt like this created space for them 638 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 3: to be safe, to have community. They felt like they 639 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 3: were seen and listened to. There was a real belonging, 640 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 3: which we know has a direct effect to someone's mental 641 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 3: health and mental wellness. So, you know, looping back to 642 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 3: Jack's really thoughtful submission, I think that the education systems 643 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 3: need I think we as constituents of them, need to 644 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 3: figure out a better way to ensure that kids have 645 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 3: access to the arts, whether it's to music or performance. 646 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 3: But these types of outlets are so critical in giving 647 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:59,879 Speaker 3: young people a way to express themselves and to have 648 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:01,399 Speaker 3: something of their own. 649 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, that great, That was a great question, and thank 650 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: you Jack, Thanks thanks for that. Yeah, we're I want 651 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 1: to look into this organization that she mentioned around the 652 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,359 Speaker 1: that I guess right, Ryan Reynolds maybe is in Bob 653 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: with something, so we should check that out. 654 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 2: That's how it's cool. 655 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, definitely, we'll put the information in the in 656 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 3: the notes. We're going to do one last quick question 657 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 3: before we wrap up today's awesome episode, all right, and 658 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 3: this one is from Lex Lumier. I hope I'm pronouncing 659 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 3: your last name correctly. Lex, who's from the US Department 660 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 3: of Arts and Culture. 661 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 5: Hell loove Kevin. My name is Lex lamer I'm a 662 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,240 Speaker 5: citizen artist and cultural partner with the United States Department 663 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 5: of Arts and Culture. February seventh of twenty twenty, I 664 00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 5: was volunteering for the Tim Tebow Night to Shine event 665 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 5: at Houston First And this church is older than the 666 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,359 Speaker 5: state of Texas, so one hundred years ago, there would 667 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 5: be no dancing and no music being played other than 668 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 5: you know, the worship team. What I thought was really 669 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 5: interesting is as the decorations were going up for this event, 670 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 5: which is a really amazing event for special needs for 671 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 5: them to have a prom on their own, so it's 672 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,719 Speaker 5: really sweet, and people were coming in. It was just 673 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 5: a really nice time, and Your Footloose song came on 674 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,880 Speaker 5: from the film and this film was like, I really 675 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 5: like this song, and I thought, this is amazing. Out 676 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 5: of all places there are playing this song in this 677 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 5: church that's posting a dance for people, because you know, 678 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:44,840 Speaker 5: one hundred years ago that would have happened. And I 679 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,840 Speaker 5: just wanted to ask you what you think about the 680 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 5: openness and the inclusion of the arts into you know, 681 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 5: churches and facilities of spiritual practice. You know what you 682 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,719 Speaker 5: think about that is just amazed and impressed at the 683 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 5: same time. 684 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,240 Speaker 1: Hey, thanks like so much for that that question. 685 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 2: Uh, it's interesting. 686 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,760 Speaker 1: Let me let me You're tied a lot of things 687 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:17,880 Speaker 1: together that have actually been a part of my life. Coincidentally, 688 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,239 Speaker 1: the first one that you mentioned is Footloots, right where 689 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 1: there's a there's a town and uh, and people are 690 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:29,440 Speaker 1: not allowed to dance and the and the the rules 691 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 1: are set by this minister in the town and played 692 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 1: by John Letgow and the you know, it's it's this this, 693 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:44,040 Speaker 1: this kind of creative expression is looked at as anti religion. 694 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 2: Uh. 695 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: And It's been a while since I've seen the movie, 696 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,840 Speaker 1: but I think I used the Bible when I talked 697 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:54,560 Speaker 1: to the town council and say that there were I 698 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,800 Speaker 1: think there's a quote about in the Bible about leaping 699 00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:58,400 Speaker 1: and dancing. 700 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in the church. Has let me let me 701 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 2: first frame this. 702 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,280 Speaker 1: By saying, I'm not what I would consider a spiritual person, 703 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 1: and I don't go to church at this point in 704 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:18,720 Speaker 1: my life, but the church has always been a place 705 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 1: where there has been art, I mean incredible art. You know, 706 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,040 Speaker 1: all in the beginning of the visual arts that that 707 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,520 Speaker 1: was all the art that was made was you know, 708 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:36,160 Speaker 1: iconography and the religious paintings of religious art. 709 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:37,880 Speaker 2: In fact, when. 710 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 1: It's kind of moved away from there, you know, that 711 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,360 Speaker 1: was the blasphemous you know, time was when people started 712 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 1: painting things that weren't religious. And music, uh for sure, 713 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,800 Speaker 1: and and dance, and in all kinds of religious practices 714 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,480 Speaker 1: there's music and dance and art, and so I think 715 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,400 Speaker 1: there is a there is a very powerful connection, and 716 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:04,320 Speaker 1: of course I would encourage that in places of worship 717 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,719 Speaker 1: that people experience art. 718 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,840 Speaker 2: And the other reason is because. 719 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,040 Speaker 1: If you are, you know, trying to get to cut 720 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,279 Speaker 1: a higher you know, kind of personal plane. And maybe 721 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,919 Speaker 1: this connects to the last the question we were talking 722 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:23,240 Speaker 1: about in terms of mental health. You know, music certainly, 723 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:28,080 Speaker 1: and dance as well, you know, can be calming and 724 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:32,919 Speaker 1: can take you to other kind of realms of consciousness. 725 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,880 Speaker 1: I think, you know, even staring at a picture of 726 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,880 Speaker 1: a beautiful portrait or a beautiful. 727 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:40,280 Speaker 2: Landscape or whatever. 728 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that I think there's a a 729 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:44,040 Speaker 1: very strong connection. 730 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:50,160 Speaker 3: I couldn't agree more. And I come from I don't 731 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,919 Speaker 3: want to say the other side, but I probably would 732 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:58,040 Speaker 3: consider myself spiritual. But for me, when I'm like singing 733 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 3: or to use sexist words like worshiping, I feel closeness 734 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 3: to you know who. I believe my creator to be 735 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,879 Speaker 3: right more so than any other time. And I think 736 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,840 Speaker 3: a lot of people, like you said, with lots of 737 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,640 Speaker 3: different cultures, different religions around the world. That's actually what 738 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,520 Speaker 3: my degree is in my under undergrad degree is religious 739 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,920 Speaker 3: world studies. And so I always found it really fascinating 740 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 3: to see the connections of different religions and groups of people. 741 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,319 Speaker 3: I found that there was way more in common than not. 742 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,319 Speaker 3: We tend to focus on than not the things that 743 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,720 Speaker 3: we don't have in common that drive a wedge instead 744 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,400 Speaker 3: of like the overwhelming majority of things that we are 745 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:49,200 Speaker 3: so similar in. So yeah, no, and I think I 746 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,359 Speaker 3: actually have spent some time in places in the world 747 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,439 Speaker 3: where you see this like convergence that I believe Lex 748 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,520 Speaker 3: was speaking to, where what seems to be these unlikely 749 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,640 Speaker 3: elements are coming together at this focal point and you 750 00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,120 Speaker 3: feel like like you're standing in awe of something that's 751 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,799 Speaker 3: really cool that's happening. Yea, I think the world needs 752 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,440 Speaker 3: more of that. I think we need to have more 753 00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:19,440 Speaker 3: opportunities to see these different elements, seemingly different elements, you know, 754 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:23,880 Speaker 3: come together. I think we'd be in a better place. 755 00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:25,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. 756 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,000 Speaker 1: And I'll also tell you something else, Lex that you 757 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 1: might find interesting, and that is that when I was 758 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:37,359 Speaker 1: a little boy. My father never went to church. He 759 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:41,200 Speaker 1: was raised a Quaker and had sort of, I don't know, 760 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,839 Speaker 1: sort of walked away from the Quaker meeting and it 761 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:49,600 Speaker 1: wasn't in his life. But my mother had found this 762 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,480 Speaker 1: church in our neighborhood that she was very involved with, 763 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,719 Speaker 1: and it was a Unitarian church, which is one of 764 00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,719 Speaker 1: those religions where it's supposed to be very inclusive of 765 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,880 Speaker 1: all religions. 766 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,360 Speaker 2: And she would go all the time. 767 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:08,240 Speaker 1: And there was a minister at this Unitarian church who 768 00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,839 Speaker 1: was I guess, I guess he would and nowadays call 769 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:17,120 Speaker 1: him a progressive kind of minister. And he loved theater. 770 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:21,520 Speaker 1: He really was obsessed with theater. So the very first 771 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:26,839 Speaker 1: acting that I ever did was in church because he 772 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:32,319 Speaker 1: would sometimes take little sections of plays I guess they were, 773 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,640 Speaker 1: and use them to kind of put a point across 774 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:42,640 Speaker 1: in his certainments. And sometimes there were parts for a 775 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,600 Speaker 1: young man or a child, I guess, because I was 776 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,480 Speaker 1: going to be very little, and so I would go 777 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,040 Speaker 1: and that was really where I first, you know, was 778 00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,440 Speaker 1: you know, learned how to act and had to learn lines, 779 00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,400 Speaker 1: and you know, got nervous and did all the stuff. 780 00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,560 Speaker 2: Was h was at the at the. 781 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:08,800 Speaker 1: Unitarian Church of Philadelphia and in Centara City, Philadelphia, and 782 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:13,520 Speaker 1: so that was a definite connection of of the arts 783 00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:17,160 Speaker 1: and the spiritual place. 784 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,479 Speaker 3: Of port a Star was born. You hear that story 785 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,480 Speaker 3: all the time. I feel like so many singers that 786 00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,840 Speaker 3: you want to win Grammys, like they started in the church, 787 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,759 Speaker 3: absolutely because that's where they could sing, you know, their 788 00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,840 Speaker 3: craft every Sunday. Yeah, that's a very very good question. 789 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:42,319 Speaker 1: Thanks Lex, Thank you Lex. That's a wrap, all right, Well, 790 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:47,400 Speaker 1: this was fun. Thank you, Stacy Sure and folks, I 791 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:52,080 Speaker 1: hope you're enjoying these Ask Kevin almost anything episodes. We're 792 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,560 Speaker 1: having a good time with them. And uh, you know, 793 00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:59,680 Speaker 1: keep the keep the questions coming. I really find this 794 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:04,880 Speaker 1: really fascinating. It's always it's always interesting because you guys 795 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,400 Speaker 1: out there are you know, kind of doing our jobs 796 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,080 Speaker 1: in a way, you know, try to highlight and find 797 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:14,280 Speaker 1: interesting causes and people who are or have great stories. 798 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,839 Speaker 1: It's it's it's uh, it's it's a lot of fun 799 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,400 Speaker 1: and it's a lot of fun to hang out with you. 800 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:27,000 Speaker 3: Stacey same, I'm enjoying it. Keep the questions coming. If 801 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,840 Speaker 3: you are inspired by today's episode, please join us in 802 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,160 Speaker 3: supporting six degrees dot org by texting the word Bacon 803 00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:37,440 Speaker 3: to seven zero seven zero seven zero. 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