WEBVTT - Episode 44: A Conversation with Women in Gaming 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:15.120 Hello, and welcome to Nerdificent Another week, another nerdy topic. 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:18.640 I am Danny Fernandez and sitting across from me. As always, 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:22.120 it's never missed an episode. Yeah, if you waddy way, 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:24.239 how you doing, I'm gonna let you out know how 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:26.759 much of a professional Danny is. She was watching me 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:29.639 because I took a bite out of this chocolate bar 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:33.559 right when we started, and she was like really engaging 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:36.480 it to really set me up to win. That's that's 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:38.600 that's the type of partner you need in your life. 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:40.760 We use more than a friend. We're beyond friends at 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:44.920 this point. We're partners. We we work so well together. Yeah, 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:47.199 oh yeah, we just love it because we also do. 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:48.919 People don't know. I mean people do know this if 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:51.879 they follow us, but we butt heads sometimes, but in 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:55.680 a respectful brother sister man. Oh yeah, always Um, And 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:58.080 that's what it's all about, you know. It's really just 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:01.800 having open dialogue in a sense of where you actually 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:03.640 want to have a dialogue and you're not just trying 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:05.600 to shout down the person, which I feel like it 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:07.720 is going to be lots of points that's going to 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:10.880 be made on this episode. Yes, Um, and Veginia is 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:14.240 the best RYMZ care and if you're moving okay, I'm 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:19.280 gonna let that one pass because so yeah, and I 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:21.360 want to, you know, set that preamble up if if 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:23.920 if you don't after this episode, be like, if you 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:26.120 why didn't you talk more? Because this is a topic 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:28.200 where I'm going to be doing a lot of listening 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:31.680 and you know, you know, we have two dope experts 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:34.319 who are really gonna take the floor and I'm gonna 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:36.680 lead by example. I'm gonna show y'all fellas how to do. 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:40.440 I did want to say before we introduce our amazing guests, 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:44.560 just to housekeeping things. One is please go and rate 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:47.240 and review us on iTunes. 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I 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:20.680 am popping in there to take down people that say 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:25.040 that they don't like my Jimmy Stewart impression. Really really 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:27.880 gotta call y'all out for turning y'all backs on your 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:32.400 all on the stream, Like, yeah, Danny shows up in 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:34.960 the discord. People were like, no, I like it. I 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:41.800 think it's good. I'm everyone's little sister joining us today. 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:45.400 We have one of the hosts at hyper RPG. She's 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:49.400 also a youth gaming coach, Janelle Santa Cruz. Okay, thanks 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:51.760 for having me, guys. Yes, Janelle, you've known IF and 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:55.280 I for a long time. Yeah, it's been Yeah. I've 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:59.800 actually known of you before I knew you because you 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:06.160 were withdraw wrestlers and and my my buddy Coyle was like, oh, 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:08.920 there's there's this person in the wrestling I think it 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:10.920 was Tights and Fights you used to post it in. Yeah. 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:13.320 It was like, it's it's her drawings are so good. 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:15.400 And then I saw you were streaming and I was like, 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:18.000 let me check this out. I think we met previously, 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:21.840 uh previous to that through Danny through comedy. I think, um, 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:23.159 because I think I met you. It used to be 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:27.159 like a long time tournament words, tournament nerds. Yeah, tournament nerds. 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:32.960 Uh and uh nerds again like comedy source stuff. Um, 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:36.120 but yeah, that's that's how you kind of brought me 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:39.159 into hyper a Bug actually into the family there because 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:42.480 they needed for the wrestling. H Yeah, and so that 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:44.520 was so thank you for that. I'm still there. You're 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:47.240 great and joining us our other guests. She is a 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:49.560 senior writer at in Samni at Games. She's also been 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:53.279 a game developer at BioWare, sam Max. You don't even 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:58.680 include all your because you've also written several books. We 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:01.280 here like shortening it. I know. I was like, no, 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:03.640 you need to flex. We're trying to tell her before 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:07.359 you need to flex your stuff. I'm not good at it. Yeah, 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:10.320 and you're a host nerdice with me on our show 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:12.800 fan Girl. That's how we know each other. Really has 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:14.760 been super fun. It's been great kind of like this 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:17.840 discussion as women to talk about things that affect us 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:21.480 in the in the nerd world. Like it's just such 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:25.760 a positive environment to have other women, people from other 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:29.680 marginalized cultures getting together to talk about things that we 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:32.400 love so much and we're so passionate about and I 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:34.560 think that's really why I'm stoked to be here today, 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:36.400 is because I think a lot of the time people 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:38.520 when we talk about like women in games or stuff 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:40.720 like that, they're like, oh, it's all about like, oh, 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:43.280 it's it's because you hate games, or like you want 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:45.719 to be so negative. But it's because I hate them. 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:49.600 That's why I play them. It's like we we love games, 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:51.440 we love comics, we love all the stuff. We want 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:53.720 to make it better, you know, And that's why we're 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:56.640 all here. And and I wanted to say this is 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:58.800 going to be a little bit different than our traditional 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:02.279 format and that we wanted to have an open conversation, 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:04.400 so it's kind of going to be a roundtable discussion. 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:06.560 I really wanted to just Janelle and I were having 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:08.120 lunch the other day and she was telling me some 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:11.520 of her experiences, um of being a woman in the 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:13.800 in the gaming world, and I was like, you have 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:15.680 to come on and talk about this, because even I, 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:17.760 as a woman in the nerd world, was not aware 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.240 of some of the stuff that she goes through. And 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:21.400 so I was like, I just want this to be 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:25.039 an open conversation about some of the great, amazing things 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:27.040 that we've gotten to experience and you know, things that 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:29.960 we want to work on, uh and problem solving. But 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:32.560 for both of you, I guess where would you say 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:36.400 probably more professionally or even like you Sam working on 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:38.560 game developing, Like how did you? And I know both 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:40.240 of you have different stories, but how did you get 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:43.800 to where you are? Yeah? Uh guess. For me in 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:46.479 terms of getting into game development, my my path was 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:48.000 kind of weird. I think a lot of people have 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:49.960 a really weird path into game to have. There's no 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:53.280 one right answer. I'm a game writer, So for me, 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:57.040 I wrote books first. I wrote a couple nonfiction books. Um, 0:06:57.080 --> 0:06:59.400 I wrote a lot about video games. I wrote video 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:02.320 game reviews for national newspaper up in Canada, which is 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:04.800 where I'm from originally, And that's kind of how I 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:06.839 sort of connected with a lot of people in the 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:10.200 video game dev community. They knew my work, they knew 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:12.720 that I was passionate about games, and so I got 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:14.880 in that way. But for people looking to get into 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:18.760 games and game writing, I always recommend that they check 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:24.000 out Twine. It's a free online client. Basically you don't 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:25.760 have to download anything. You do it totally in your 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:29.760 browser and it allows you to make your own interactive 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:33.800 choose your own adventure novel. Basically, it's all writing. You 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:36.480 don't have to have like any art skills or programming 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:39.720 skills maybe like basic HTML or whatever, but you just 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:42.120 go and you write your story and it it lets 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:45.800 you write branching dialogue, dialogue choices, that kind of stuff, 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:48.520 and if you finish a full twine, like, it's a 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.640 great piece that you can use when you're auditioning for 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:54.000 game gigs. And even if you're not using it to 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:55.840 audition for like Triple A game gigs, it's something that 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:57.200 you can put out there and be like, look, I 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:00.520 wrote something, I finished something like, here is what I 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:02.960 can prove to you that I'm actually good at this. 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:05.840 That's so cool. Yeah, I didn't know. We're going to 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:08.160 drop that in the footnote so you'll have a link 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:10.320 to That's awesome. It's literally what I used to audition 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:13.800 for by Wear. So you can look at these BBC 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:20.080 we're given last week it was v O stuff inside 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:23.600 nuggets on how to get into this industry. Yeah, that 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:26.920 is so cool. Um yeah, Janelle, how did you get 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:31.440 into youth gaming coach like becoming Yeah, well, my family 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:33.240 were always big gamers, and you know, we grew up 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:35.600 with games and UH used to like sit in my 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:37.400 bunk bed and watch my dad play Silent Hill and 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:39.120 just like you know, all these things. So it's just 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:41.559 a big in two stories and everything. And um, because 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:44.000 we were such a big gamers, my younger brother got 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:47.760 into playing over what's professionally and I was big and Blizzard, 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:50.280 you know, played Diablo. I met my husband actually because 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:52.120 I when I was doing stand up, I did a 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:59.400 joke about Diablo. They are so cute together, They're so cute. 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:02.440 Our first was like playing Diablo online and he brought 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:05.480 us friend because he was nervous. Um, but there is that. 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:08.679 And so when Overwatch launched, um, you know, I had 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:11.000 never really played in the first person shooter before. It 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:13.640 took me two years of grinding to learn how to 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:17.080 aim and so um, I met a lot of kids 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:19.640 who had small voices and things like that, and so 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:22.319 I just bonded with them. And I also worked as 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:24.600 a day job, you know, um, with special needs kids, 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:26.880 and I worked with at risk youth and so I 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:30.360 knew how to work with with teenagers and people that 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:32.400 didn't have the skill set and wanted to learn to 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:35.959 get better and needed to reform because maybe they used things, 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:38.319 you know, language that they shouldn't be using on the internet. 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:40.480 And so that's how I got into it. And so 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:43.400 now we have this this Date Night Discord, which initially 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:45.880 started as a place for me and Andy to actually 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:47.959 just play games online as a you know, a date night, 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:50.640 and now there it's just like hundreds of kids and 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:52.640 stuff and we do pick up games and we work 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:56.240 on on tactics and strategies and run scrims and stuff. 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:57.880 And so that's how I got there. What I love. 0:09:58.040 --> 0:09:59.760 I love that you said that you had to grind 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:01.880 for two years to get good at Overwatch, because I 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:05.080 feel like so often people look at streamers and like 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:07.720 women streamers and are like, oh, they know, it's so easy, 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:09.400 Like all they do is sit there and play video 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:11.400 games all day. But it's like it's really hard work. 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:14.160 Like streaming is really hard work. Playing games professionally, it's 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:17.360 really hard work. It takes a lot of time and 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:21.560 effort and super impressive. Because like again, like my brother, um, 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:24.240 he's five years younger than me, but had been playing 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:26.600 games for so much longer computer games, you know, because 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:29.240 I was playing you know, console stuff, and and I 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:32.200 just like I didn't have the proper equipment, and so 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:34.120 he was ahead of me. So had that two years 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.640 of aim experience and now you know, it transfers over 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:39.480 to other games, like we were talking about Apex Legends earlier. 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:42.199 My aim is decent enough, like I can keep up. 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:44.839 You know, I'm not not a god by any means, 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:47.520 but you know the kids are because because culturally, like 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:49.360 they've been playing since they were younger. A lot a 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:52.040 lot of boys have played, you know, and so um 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:54.760 that's something that yeah, that I feel was really important 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:57.520 for me to do for myself was was to spend 0:10:57.520 --> 0:10:59.520 like I spend like five hours a day playing the game, 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.679 um at least minimum. And that's nothing compared to people 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:05.200 that spend you know, eight hours or twelve hours. Like 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:08.840 it's it's ridiculous, like the using you know, the learning 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:11.480 the hand eye coordination between the mouse and keyboard instead 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:13.640 of a controller, because's not a controller. It's it's so 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:16.680 much more um intricate like using yeah, you know all that, 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:19.600 and so yeah, and I know a lot of my 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:22.120 friends that have had to you have to be consistent 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:26.280 with your streaming schedule, um. And so if I know 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:28.480 that I've seen you posting about that too, like I'm 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:30.280 gonna be on here, I'm gonna be streaming. These are 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:32.960 the hours that I'm streaming. I think a lot of 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:35.360 people don't realize, Like what you were saying Sam about 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:37.280 like the fact that Janelle said that she was grinding 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:40.120 is you also have to be entertaining. You have to 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:42.920 be entertaining, like you can't just like silently, you know, 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:46.400 like you have to be That's how people, uh, that's 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:49.600 how people build their following and have loyal fans. So 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.439 there's so many things that go on that I think 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:55.800 people don't realize, right, And Yeah, and streaming did sort 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:57.200 of take a hit for for a while for me 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:59.920 because it was so hard to focus on the game 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:02.600 and you know, learning how to make in game calls 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:05.320 and stuff, but also like trying to manage your chat 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:07.160 and all that stuff. So I did have to take 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:09.319 a little bit of time from my streaming to focus 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:11.840 on actually you know doing that, And so that was 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:14.080 that was a challenge within itself, like to do to 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:16.920 take away that time. I talked about this at my 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:20.920 like work a lot. But it's so funny that streaming 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:24.480 and also working in game dev are both jobs that 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:27.200 you really have to be on and you have to 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:29.440 be talking to people all the time because I think 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:31.440 a lot of the time us nerds are like very 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:35.360 introverted and shy, awkward, and streaming and hosting is so 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:37.640 like being on putting yourself out there and working in 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:41.840 game dev is so such a collaborative medium. You always 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:44.080 have to be talking to people, talking to level designers, 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:46.679 talking to environment are talking to like every person who 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:50.120 has a finger in the pie, and so it's like, 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:57.520 what what did we do? We're nerds? Are there other 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:00.880 women that y'all enjoy watching, like other gamers and people 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:04.440 that you have met? Um fran is Is she's an 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:08.680 Overwatch player and she's an to player consistent. Her hero 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:11.240 pool has a lot of aim based heroes because the 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:14.880 game over Watch has low mechanical you know, like skill 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:18.280 requirement characters like we're you know, there's a healer named 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:20.319 Mercy who a lot of women tend to play because 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:22.360 you don't have to aim. All you do is you 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:24.160 point your staff out a teammate and you heal them 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:26.079 and you follow them around the map and sort of 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:29.000 when they die, you ruse them like that's your ability, um, 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:32.080 but fran herself. She uses Anna, who is a sniper 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:34.679 who snipes her team to heal them, which is very 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:38.320 She's my favorite character. I mean, I'm terrible at her, 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:43.400 but I like to play her. Yeah, if you do. 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:47.960 You have some female streamers that you like watching? Oh man, Yeah, 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:52.840 Zombie Unicorn, she's great. I also Austin Marie, another good 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:56.040 friend of mines, you know, pop over to what she's 0:13:56.040 --> 0:14:02.360 cooking up to. Vana is great Eric the time to time, 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:05.960 and then like you know, uh, there there is where 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:09.840 is this um? I forget her name, but she like 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:13.280 she's a scientist, so like she'll just have pul on conversations. 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:17.040 She's like, uh, I was going to say astrologist, astronomist 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:21.040 who I guess I don't know. Anyway, she and she 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:24.240 just like literally talks about space her whole stream. So 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:26.840 so I have tons of I really want to watch 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:33.000 that after this. Yeah, and Lady Danger as well, she's great. 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:37.560 So those are those are all my shouts outs? Yeah, Janelle, 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:38.800 I did want to say so when you and I 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:42.040 were grabbing lunch, you were telling me about how difficult 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:46.640 it is actually for women to advance because when people 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:49.720 find when people here, and this was something that I listen, y'all, 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:52.200 I take a lot of abuse as a woman in 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:54.280 the nerd world, like in the common section and the 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:56.760 names that were called. So I was very aware of 0:14:56.800 --> 0:15:00.920 that harassment happening to women in gay You mean, I 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:04.240 wasn't aware though, that it's actually affecting your job because 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:06.720 when people find when people hear your voice and they 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:09.520 hear that you're a woman, they will hop off the game. Yep, 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:12.360 they will, um, yeah, they'll jump off of the map. Um, 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:14.520 and so they will not play with you because the 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:17.160 team over watches the team based games six six verses 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:20.800 six and um. So I would you know. At one 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:23.360 point I I made a call because it's if you 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:24.880 have to communicate, you have to say you know so 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:27.680 some and so's left right, you know, main whatever, and 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:31.200 um somebody yelled at me that this was one of 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:33.560 the first times somebody's like, you know, what the hell 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:35.360 are you doing in this game? Like get off and 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:38.440 go um go make makeup tutorial on YouTube, and I 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:41.480 was like the hell, like, okay, whatever, like And because 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:46.640 specifically I I play DPS characters which are um, it's 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:49.080 not traditional for women. They play support a lot of 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:50.880 them play support characters like Mercy, the one that I 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:55.000 described earlier, and so it offends them to see to 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:57.360 see to hear a woman's voice coming out of you know, 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:00.720 the McCree guy or a soldier male character. Yeah, because 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:02.520 they want to play those characters, and so it's their 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:05.800 right they feel. Um. And uh, you know, I've lost 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:09.040 so many games and it's been crazy because I will play, 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:11.160 We'll stack with some friends, you know, I'll have a 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:14.760 couple of of guys with me, and they're like always 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:16.440 so surprised or like does this happen to you all 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:18.640 the time? And I'm like yeah, like like all the time. 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:20.960 People will just stop playing because they don't want to 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:23.800 play with me or they don't they're not doing what 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:25.640 they want me to do. They go go play Mercy. 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:27.160 I bet your Mercy May and they tell me about 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:28.680 your Mercy May, but I bet you played Diva, and 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:31.120 I'm like, I don't, like, I don't have a problem 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:33.240 with those characters, but I don't play those characters. My 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:36.640 hero pools completely different. And and so it just they 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:39.520 love to harass you. They They've have been called like 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:42.840 every possible word you know for a woman. Um, but 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:45.880 I know that that in order to combat that, some 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:50.080 people were using voice changers. Um, but you were saying that. 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:52.880 When you did that, people thought that you were because 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:56.040 you still sounded like uh yeah, so they thought that 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:57.720 you were a gay man that was a man, but 0:16:57.760 --> 0:16:59.640 they were they would not hop off the game, but 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:02.760 then you would get slurs, No, would get slurs. And 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:05.199 you know what, Actually, my hero that I that I 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:08.200 play the Soldier Sony six. So he's like a Captain 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:10.800 America type guy right where he's like, um, he's the 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:14.520 leader of the organization of Overwatch named Soldier because he's 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:22.080 like the most generic looking soldier character. And I picked 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:24.919 him because I was like, this guy has a kit 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:26.760 where he can take care of himself. He can heal himself, 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:28.240 so I don't have to ask for healing from a 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:30.840 teammate because he can heal his damn self. He runs fast, 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:32.439 so I can run around and get kills and I 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:36.120 don't I can carry myself. I don't need anybody. Well, Um, 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:38.000 this game has been out for two years and about 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:41.360 three weeks ago they announced, um they lore wise they 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:44.520 announced that he's gay. Yeah that so they were a 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:47.560 huge win. I feel like it was fantastic and so 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:50.880 so now people were really excited, and so I'm it's 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:53.520 been a fast return to the when I did the 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:56.200 experiment with the voice changer, where I don't even have 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:58.800 to speak to be called the word or whatever you like, 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:01.120 where they're just look at the hours. I have five 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:04.439 hours on this guy, and so that they immediately like, 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:06.000 I bet you gay, but you know like this, and 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:09.320 I'm like, yeah, I am so like and it's just 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:12.159 it's ridiculous, Like it's have lots of women in my 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:14.560 discord that say, oh, why to drive a voice change one, 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:15.760 I mean, and I want to see what it's like. 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:19.280 And I say, I've done it, and yes, like, if 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:22.560 you you get more respect still even sounding like a 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:24.680 gay man because they assume that you've played games more. 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:27.200 They assumed that as a male, you've culturally you've played 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:29.639 games more. Well. The thing about the voice changer is 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:32.639 that it treats the symptom, but not it's not addressing 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:35.920 the problem. Yeah, you find stuff like that because that's 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:39.640 that's the insidious stuff that you know, when guys jump off, 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:42.879 it affects your ranking and your to compete, and you 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:45.119 find that in the professional world as well, it's that 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:47.600 insidious stuff that people don't talk about a lot. That's 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:51.800 actually the stuff that really affects people's ability to work 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:55.679 in this world, like to advance, Yeah, like get noticed 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:58.919 by leagues. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean girls at a young 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:01.600 age aren't encouraged in the same way that boys are 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:06.720 to explore programming or coding or you know, gaming in 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:09.840 a lot of different ways. So it puts us behind. 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:12.439 It puts us at a disadvantage even trying to get 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:14.240 into these fields. Like you said about your brother, Like 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:16.560 Eve been playing PC games a lot longer than you had, 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:19.080 and that put you at a disadvantage age wise. It's 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:20.919 the same in gaming. I think a lot of girls 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:23.600 aren't brought up being told like we're making a real 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:25.880 push for it now, which is awesome, trying to get 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:28.359 more women into STEM, like it's great. Girls who Code 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:30.959 is a great organization for that. But you know, girls 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:35.120 I feel like don't feel encouraged or able to get 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:39.040