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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Cool People who did cool stuff.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and this is a flashback week,

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Speaker 1: which just means we're gonna rerun something because Cool Zone

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Speaker 1: Media has the week off because people fought and died

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Speaker 1: for days off or even entire weeks off. Sometimes it's

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Speaker 1: called vacation. This week, I'm going to rerun the Civil

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Speaker 1: War within the Civil War with prop as the guest,

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Speaker 1: because it was the second episode we ever aired and

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Speaker 1: it's one of my favorites. And so if you've never

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Speaker 1: gone back and listened to the old episodes, here's your

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Speaker 1: chance to listen to it. And if you have already

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Speaker 1: listened to it, I have absolutely not gone through and

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Speaker 1: interspersed different Easter eggs for you to find. That has

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Speaker 1: not happened, but I will say this week or very soon,

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Speaker 1: I have yet another game that is going to kickstart

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Speaker 1: called Defenders of the Wild. It is a board game

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Speaker 1: and then I helped with the role playing game side

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Speaker 1: of it, and that also comes with a complete role

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Speaker 1: playing game system and you can find it on Kickstarter

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Speaker 1: you by searching Defenders of the Wild by Outlandish Games.

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Speaker 1: Here's an episode. Hello and welcome to Cool People Who

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Speaker 1: Did Cool Stuff, which is, of course the only podcast

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Speaker 1: that clearly says what it's about in the title, leaves

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Speaker 1: no room at all for confusion about its contents. Nope,

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and each week I'm going

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Speaker 1: to bring you another story about rebellion, resistance and all.

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Speaker 2: The cool people who did cool stuff.

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Speaker 1: My guest this week is Prop, who I believe you're

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Speaker 1: a poet, an mc and activist and you're also the

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Speaker 1: host of Hood Politics.

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Speaker 2: Nailed it great. How are you doing today? Man? I'm

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Speaker 2: all right, it's pretty hot out here. I'm I'm good.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm apprehensive because I'm so nervous about any

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Speaker 3: any pod that somebody says is like it's kylic bastards

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Speaker 3: and I'm like, but reverse, and I'm like, ow, I'm

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Speaker 3: just nervous. I'm going on comany in blind Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 3: saying Margaret, Yeah, but I'm here for the ride.

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, And we have Sophie on the

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Speaker 1: call to Sophie, how are you doing.

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Speaker 4: I'm good. I'm excited to have Prop here for this one.

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Speaker 4: I think I think he'll enjoy it. And I mean

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Speaker 4: that like, I'll actually think you'll enjoy this. Okay, when

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Speaker 4: you're on bassards rou I'm like, oh, this is going

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Speaker 4: to be a good one, which means it's not going

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Speaker 4: to be a good one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which means oh, you're going to enjoy this. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: oh yeah, murder, murder, murder, racism, So enjoy it.

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Speaker 4: So and so, Margaret, what are we talking about today?

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Speaker 1: Well, there is there is murder and racism, but it's

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Speaker 1: not from the point of view of the people who

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Speaker 1: do the murder and the races.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay.

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Speaker 1: So because this week we're going to talk about this

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Speaker 1: war you might have heard of, called the Civil War,

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Speaker 1: the US Civil War, but specifically yeah, yeah, but specifically

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Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about the civil war within the

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Speaker 1: civil war, okay, which, if you write it out and

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Speaker 1: you put it in between, is the civil civil war war.

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Speaker 3: And I'm going to talk about Well done, Thank you,

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Speaker 3: old y'all. Pause, foot at that was great, Okay, I

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Speaker 3: am now impressed. Like again, I was apprehensive. I know

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Speaker 3: what I was getting into. But the civil civil war war,

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Speaker 3: that's brilliant. Yeah, I like that.

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Speaker 1: And so we're going to talk about the basically how

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Speaker 1: there was a civil war within the Civil War, there

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Speaker 1: was a race and a class revolt against the white Confederates. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and so in the first half, we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about how the South wasn't a

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Speaker 1: fuck this Confederacy thing and fought against it.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: And in the second half, we're going to talk about

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Speaker 2: Let's go, all right, let's go.

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Speaker 3: I also, dude, you know what, I'm glad I'm on this,

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Speaker 2: Agree with everything your country do?

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Speaker 3: So why you think why you think anywhere else would

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Speaker 3: glad that this is coming up because that mugg is like, like, yo,

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Speaker 3: like be realalistic about what you're watching, you know what

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Speaker 3: I'm saying, And it's that like, well, man, no.

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Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, they gon't do what

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Speaker 5: but nah, it's full be on some bullshit, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah anyway, no, no, and like and it's even true

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Speaker 1: on the other side too, right, like because the North

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Speaker 1: Like I'm not going to tend anything else other than that. No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: but the North is like, well some of them are

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, just because you lived up there, you know

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying that somehow your locale means that you

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Speaker 3: think differently, like nah man, yeah for sure.

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Speaker 1: So the So the Civil War, it runs from eighteen

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Speaker 1: sixty one to eighteen sixty five. It kills six hundred

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Speaker 2: Sheesh.

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Speaker 1: But uh, Civil War starts because eighteen sixty Abraham Lincoln

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Speaker 1: The North said now you're not allowed to do that,

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Speaker 2: Have a war.

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Speaker 1: And to be clear, and I don't know what did

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Speaker 1: you get taught growing up that the Civil War was

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Speaker 3: Well, yes, I mean, I'm remember I'm in California, and

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Speaker 2: That's that is better than the education I received, dude,

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Speaker 3: Like when I heard people like it was like, it's

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Speaker 3: was like, what, No, it's about states rights? You Like,

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Speaker 3: I felt the other way around when somebody actually said

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Speaker 2: What what are you talking about? Yeah? Like you who

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Speaker 2: told you that states rights to do?

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Speaker 2: This is a big question? That was like that's what

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Speaker 3: States rights to own sly, don't I get seriously? You know?

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Speaker 1: And so I will argue that the entire South, white

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Speaker 1: read some scholars arguing that some of them were fighting

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Speaker 2: There's no question they didn't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so the start of this war, the Confederates, they're outnumbered,

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Speaker 2: Well, saw a Rose okay.

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Speaker 1: And so at the beginning of the war, the Union

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Speaker 1: You could just do it. It's cool and good. It

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Speaker 1: my favorite stories in all of us, but she's actually

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Speaker 1: Historian Favolia Glymph is the only historian I found who's

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Speaker 1: named Rose.

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Speaker 4: Story name is like, it's so classic, it is so

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's perfect name, Glymph, you said, yeah, perfect name.

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Speaker 3: I was definitely gonna want to put a pin in

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Speaker 3: because that's that's quite a name. Also, terrified white women

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Speaker 3: journals is like the thing that just doesn't die.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it really does.

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Speaker 1: God, they seriously like all journals are like, I can't

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Speaker 1: note because I'm so terrified of the Negroes and the Yankees,

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Speaker 1: and specifically I'm afraid of this you know, Rose that

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Speaker 1: is leading an insurrection.

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Speaker 2: In their town. Yes, so so.

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Speaker 1: Pineville, South Carolina is this like small resort town. It's

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Speaker 1: basically sixty summer homes for like the rich fock slavers

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Speaker 1: when they're like taking breaks from their plantations. But with

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Speaker 1: the Civil War, a lot of the families moved their

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Speaker 1: full time okay, and basically saw as this place of

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, this is this is pure profit.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, you know, notwithstanding the investment

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean what worse can you do to us? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: You know yeah yeah no, And and du Bois makes

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Speaker 2: And we know that what Pringle. Yeah, man's name is Pringle.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. But he could say my

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Speaker 1: So this insurrection they lead, it leads hundreds of people

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Speaker 1: And they stole whatever they needed from the people who've

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Speaker 2: The concept of potatoes.

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Speaker 3: Let me tell you something, man, I'm going to invoke

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Speaker 1: the end and you're happy that they die.

437
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 4: Yeah.

438
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 1: And then with cool people hit cool stuff, they die

439
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 1: in the end, it's not as good. That's history. So

440
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,479
Speaker 1: Abraham Galloway he was born enslaved in a tiny fishing

441
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 1: town near Wilmington, North Carolina, and he was he was

442
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,119
Speaker 1: owned by his own second cousin.

443
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 4: Great.

444
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, he moved to Wilmington. He becomes a brickmaker and

445
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,879
Speaker 1: basically his fucking cousin tells him that he has to

446
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 1: go work and give him the money. And but Wilmington

447
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,680
Speaker 1: is a hot bed of abolitionism, which is which I'm

448
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 1: not talking about. Like like when I got told about

449
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 1: abolitionism when I was in public school or whatever, I

450
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 1: got told it was like well meaning white people who

451
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 1: like wrote the government about how morality demanded the end of.

452
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 2: Slavery or whatever.

453
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,119
Speaker 1: Wilmington was a hotbed of abolition And by that I

454
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 1: mean it was full of black people free and enslaved,

455
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,640
Speaker 1: who are teaching black people how to read and write,

456
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 1: who are smuggling fugitives north who are passing around tracks

457
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 1: that called for the moral necessity of violence to end slavery,

458
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 1: including this tracked by black abolitionist David Walker to the

459
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 1: colored citizens of the world, which and this is a

460
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 1: reoccurring theme, and all the abolition is propaganda I've ever seen,

461
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 1: specifically includes the need for the rights of women. Also,

462
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 1: and this is the pamphlet that basically Nat Turner's eighteen

463
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 1: thirty one rebellion gets blamed on. And so David Walker

464
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 1: might have written it in Boston, but he was born

465
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,640
Speaker 1: in Wilmington, which is where our hero is currently. He's

466
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 1: twenty years old, it's eighteen fifty seven. He decides to

467
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 1: get the fuck out. He was nervous that he was

468
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 1: going to get sold further south, so his friend Richard Eden,

469
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 1: decides to come with. Richard was a barber who had

470
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 1: just gotten busted for daring to marry a free mixed

471
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 1: race woman. So he was facing the lash and he's like, yeah,

472
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 1: fuck this, I'm getting out, And it was hard to

473
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 1: get out. Anyone who was caught helping them would have

474
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 1: been killed or sold. One anti slavery ring that had

475
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: just been busted right before this or around that time,

476
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 1: the black pilot got sold further south, which was like

477
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 1: one of the main threats that people would face, and

478
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 1: the white Quaker, who was involved in the whole thing

479
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 1: also as a pilot, got murdered. Yeah so, but they

480
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: eventually they do find a pilot who will sneak them

481
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 1: onto the boat and off they go. They make it

482
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 1: to Philly. They join up with a Vigilance Society there,

483
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 1: which is a crew of abolitionists who fed and housed

484
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 1: and generally helped fugitives. The Fugitive Slave Law of eighteen

485
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: fifty means that even the Free States weren't free for fugitives, right,

486
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 1: Bounty hunters could just show up and yeah, yeah, And

487
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: so they keep going right because the North isn't even safe.

488
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,959
Speaker 1: They make it up to Canada with train tickets that

489
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 1: the society buys them, and they once they're up there,

490
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 1: the abolitionists give them room and board and find them work.

491
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: Galloway gets a job laying brick eating gets to open

492
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 1: a barber shop. I just like including Eden. He kind

493
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 1: of disappears from the story here, but I'm glad he

494
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 1: gets to go fucking be a free barber. You know, yes, yes, yes,

495
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: but Abraham Galloway, he didn't want to lay bricks, not really.

496
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: He wanted to destroy slavery. So he goes back across.

497
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 2: The throw bricks.

498
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, and I'm sure he got the chance. Yeah,

499
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 1: he goes back across the border, and he starts giving

500
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 1: speeches and then getting in fights with all the people

501
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 1: trying to kill him.

502
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 2: And then I knew. I knew his name before.

503
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 3: I was like, I know Abraham Galloway, and now now

504
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 3: you're at the park that I know him.

505
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, anyway, go on.

506
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

507
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

508
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 1: So in Boston he hangs out with the Vigilant Society,

509
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,160
Speaker 1: and then he hangs out with this this league I'd

510
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: never heard of before I did this research. You've ever

511
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: heard of? The Anti Man Hunting League?

512
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 2: Yes? These people fucking rule so dope. Yeah, yeah, tell

513
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 2: him about him. I'm leaning back. Let you tell the story.

514
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, not.

515
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 2: These fools are hard.

516
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: So it's a crew of people who are basically like,

517
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 1: all right, well, kidnappers keep coming here and kidnapping people,

518
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: all right, so we should just track down the kidnappers

519
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: and then kidnap them basically, And they show up and

520
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 1: basically their their dealers they'll find they'll find a fucking

521
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: bounty hunter and they'll be like, hey, you would be

522
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: so much happier and healthier if you just left Boston

523
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 1: right now. So that's what they did.

524
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 2: It was so dope. It was so dup.

525
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 3: I know, fools were just like, hey, listen, don't come

526
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 3: to Boston. Yeah, I'm telling you right now, don't come

527
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 3: to Boston. We body snatches, all right, yeah, don't come.

528
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 3: Oh you're gonna come, okay, cool?

529
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, we told you. What would happen? I told you

530
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 2: not to come?

531
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 3: Fan.

532
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

533
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 1: And so the reason that this league starts is another

534
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: interesting story. Eighteen fifty four, you have a guy named

535
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: Anthony Burns who also decided to fuck off from slavery,

536
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: and he gets smuggled up to Boston, and because of

537
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,239
Speaker 1: the fugitive slave law, the marshals come after him and

538
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 1: he gets arrested and a crew of black and white

539
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: abolitionists storm the courthouse. They break down the door of

540
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 1: the battery ram and then shoot a federal marshal dead.

541
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,479
Speaker 1: Let's go, and then they get they eventually get repelled. Apparently,

542
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 1: I think they have to call in the army or

543
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 1: some shit. Yeah, and so so Burns gets returned to slavery,

544
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: but for a moment, and as he's been like marched

545
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 1: out of town, fifty thousand people in Boston come out

546
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: to like really aggressively protest his capture. Yeah, and I

547
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,479
Speaker 1: don't have in front of me the population of Boston

548
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: at the time, but the population of the United States

549
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: was not particularly large back then, so.

550
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

551
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 3: It's also I love this because it's like, you know,

552
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 3: a lot of times when you flatten history, you just think, like,

553
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 3: you know, these two armies and you have citizens just

554
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 3: kind of like sitting around waiting to see what happens,

555
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 3: you know, especially like this the American slave narrative that

556
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 3: was like, well, I guess we were just out in

557
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 3: the fields hoping everything worked out, you know what I'm saying,

558
00:26:54,520 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 3: totally nah fam like yeah nah fighting, Yeah, yeah, I

559
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 3: gave us a green light. We was like, all right,

560
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 3: it's own, We're gonna do our best. Yeah, you know, yeah, no,

561
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:07,479
Speaker 3: that's fucking exactly it.

562
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: And like, yeah, okay, so this change is Boston overnight.

563
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 1: And then that's how they pass all these laws making

564
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: it harder to come and capture people, but just in

565
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 1: case people try it anyway, you have the Anti man

566
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: Hunting League that starts after this and then burns himself.

567
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: The abolitionists raise up enough money to buy his freedom.

568
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,959
Speaker 1: He goes to college, he becomes a minister, and then,

569
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 1: because it was the fucking nineteenth century, he dies of

570
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: tuberculosis like fucking everyone else, twenty eight when he dies

571
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: of tuberculosis.

572
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 2: Life before penicillin.

573
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 3: Dog, These dudes be living triple lives in one life.

574
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then and then you die at twenty eight

575
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 2: after all that.

576
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm thirty nine and I haven't touched a quarter

577
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: of what this person.

578
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 2: Do you understand what I'm saying.

579
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 3: I'm like that you did all that in about twenty nine, Okay.

580
00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, So so Galloway, he's passing through Boston on his

581
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: way to Haiti because the abolitionists, right after John Brown

582
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 1: gets executed, they're not just like waiting around for the

583
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: US to get its act together to abolish slavery. They

584
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: head to Haiti and they organized they're organizing a raid

585
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: from Haiti on the American South, hoping to directly incite

586
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: a civil war to end slavery.

587
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 6: Yeah.

588
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: So, so Galloway takes passage alongside some other abolitionists, including

589
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: this the Scottish immigrant named James Redpath, who helped secure

590
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: Haiti's diplomatic connections to the US, this guy Francis Mariam,

591
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 1: who was one of the only people to escape from

592
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: John Brown's Harper's Ferry raid, who later fled to Canada

593
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: with the help of Farah. Because everyone was actually doing

594
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: all kinds of weird share at the time. The abolitionists

595
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: they show up in Haiti, they're received by by Haiti's

596
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: president because all a Haiti fucking declares three days a

597
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: morning when John.

598
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 2: Brown is killed.

599
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: And it's not just because they I mean, they fucking

600
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: hate slavery, right, this is the history of Haiti. But

601
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: it's not just that because they're also looking out for

602
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: their own country. Because in the eighteen fifties, the US

603
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: drew up plans to conquer Haiti and turn it into

604
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: a slave state, and then some adventure asshole tried to

605
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: conquer Cuba to turn it into a slave state around

606
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: that time. Yeah, another one fucking actually conquered Nicaragua for

607
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: a moment until the people down there murdered him and

608
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: didn't let him turn it into a slave state.

609
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 2: Perfect.

610
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I was the on was going to say, Man,

611
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 3: I don't know, like what made them think. I don't

612
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 3: know why you would want it with Haiti if you

613
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 3: didn't really if you know anything about the history, it's like, nah, fam,

614
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 3: don't don't come try to down here. Yeah you know,

615
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 3: we don't. Won't play down here. Don't don't bring it

616
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 3: down here, fam.

617
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

618
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: And so Galloway stays in Haiti for a while planning

619
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: this raid, but then the South seceeds, and so he

620
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: hurries the fuck back to States to fight, because that

621
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: was their whole point was to try and get a

622
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: civil war. And you know, but it didn't take invading

623
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: the South. All you had to do to start a

624
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: civil war apparently was to get a moderate Republican named

625
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: Lincoln in offense, right, he was a.

626
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 2: Moderate and like yo, like.

627
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 3: The Apple TV just did like for Black History, did

628
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 3: a dope little three part series on him.

629
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

630
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's called the Lincoln Dilemma, which was really more

631
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 3: about Frederick Douglass and how like really that Frederick Douglas

632
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 3: kind of radicalized him.

633
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 2: That was like that, like the and just sort of

634
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 2: the evolution of.

635
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 3: This, like you said, rather Khaki, you know, moderate Republican

636
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 3: turning into this like oh yeah.

637
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 2: No, we gotta we can't, this can't last, you know

638
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. And it was really Frederick Douglas.

639
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 3: So that's but yeah, yeah, what took them to finally

640
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 3: leave was there just slightly a little less tiny less racist?

641
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, which has no I mean living in

642
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: the US now, it's impossible to imagine the right wing

643
00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: getting set by a moderate.

644
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right, by like just the just vitamin D

645
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: milk version.

646
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 3: It's just the most plane yeah, saltine cracker.

647
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, seasoned.

648
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 3: Fried chicken, undercooked, like just just potato salad with raisin.

649
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but yeah, yeah, the most basic, Yeah, moderates

650
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 3: and they can't handle it.

651
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: So they have a whole they can't handle it. Yeah, yes,

652
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: which good. It got them fucking crushed. I'm glad.

653
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 2: But yeah.

654
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: So so Galloway he shows back up in the US

655
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: and he's like all right, he gets himself recruited into

656
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: the spy service for the US Army and he's not

657
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: really a union guy, but it's like the best thing going. Yeah,

658
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: And he's reporting directly to General Benjamin Butler, who kind

659
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: of starts the war an asshole. He's like, not, he's

660
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: even more let's say moderate than he wasn't even particularly

661
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: anti slavery at the start of the war. But he's

662
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: actually he's the first Union general who starts hiring black refugees.

663
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: And it's the biographer I read, David Sisselski, suggests that

664
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: it's possible he got this idea from Galloway, and if so,

665
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: Galloway just changed the fucking face of history. Yeah, and

666
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: that one moment amazing because all that general strike shit

667
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, starts with that. And so then Galloway

668
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: goes on and does spy ship for two and a

669
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: half years, and he's incredibly valuable, as are all of

670
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: the black spies in the US Service, because they know

671
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: the terrain. Uh. And also because white people just ignore

672
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: black people and pretend it is because people are fucking racist,

673
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: and so sure.

674
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 2: Surely they can't figure out how to do things. Yeah, exactly.

675
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so he actually goes and he scouts the

676
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: landing for the Union Army and the shores of North Carolina,

677
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: which again changes the fucking face of history because the

678
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: landing in North Carolin is how is part of how

679
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: the US runs. It's blockade on Southern shipping and helps

680
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: crush their economy. That's all fucking Galloway. And then I mean,

681
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: it's also a ton of other people, right, I'm not

682
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: trying to be like it's just Galloway. Like, you know,

683
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: he found black pilots to help navigate the ships to

684
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: shore and shit like that, So the black pilots who

685
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: are not named in.

686
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 2: This also get all the fucking credit. Yeah, And then he.

687
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: Gets set down in Mississippi, and then he sees the

688
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: Union treat black refugees like shit, and they start turning

689
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: away black refugees. They start working other ones to death

690
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: building a canal so that they can siege a fortress

691
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: that was a bad idea in the first fucking place,

692
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: of course, and the Union fails at seizing the fortress,

693
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: and then they just fuck off and they ditch all

694
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: of the people, all the black people who are there

695
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: helping them, including Galloway. They just fucking ditch him, and

696
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: he gets captured by the Confederacy. His story goes dark

697
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: for a minute, and we don't know he actually he

698
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: never literate, and so we don't have as much of

699
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: his own words written down, but we know that he escapes,

700
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: and he makes his way overland over the course of

701
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: months through the entire fucking Confederacy back to North Carolina

702
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: to the city of New Bern, where the Union is

703
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,479
Speaker 1: now in control thanks to his own scouting to town

704
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: besieged the rebel lines are only miles away, but has

705
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: access to shipping, so it's not really fully besieged. More

706
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 1: than ten thousand black people seeking their freedom now live there.

707
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: And these are like the hardest and most militant refugees

708
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: the war fucking sees, because these are the first people

709
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: who are like, I'm getting the fuck out. They didn't

710
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 1: get out.

711
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 2: When it was.

712
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: I'm not try, you know, but they got out when

713
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: the going was hard, you know.

714
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

715
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: And all these people, not all these people. A lot

716
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: of these people start working with Scouts and spies formally

717
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: or informally, and they head back into Confederate territory in

718
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: a regular basis. Some of them do it for the Union,

719
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 1: some of them just do it for their own fucking

720
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,919
Speaker 1: families and their friends and fucking everyone.

721
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 2: You know.

722
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Galloway doesn't rejoin the Union. He's like, fuck

723
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: the Union, what the fuck? Trust y'all either, yeah, and

724
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: so instead he just becomes an organizer. He's twenty six,

725
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: he's sarcastic, he's charming, he open carries a pistol for

726
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: the rest of his life.

727
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 2: Let's go.

728
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: And so in eighteen sixty three, the Union's like, but

729
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: we need Galloway, We need Galloway to get us an army.

730
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: Because at this point they finally decided the fifty fourth

731
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 1: Regiment Massachusetts is the was the first all black regiment

732
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: of the war. And this is the one that that

733
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: movie Glory is about. Yeah, and it I'm really actually

734
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: the main there's lots of things to be mad about

735
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: that movie. One of the main things I'm mad about

736
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: is two of Frederick Douglas's sons were in the fucking

737
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: fifty fourth. I didn't know that they should have been

738
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: the fucking main characters of that movie.

739
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 2: But I you just blew my mind. I didn't know that.

740
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Frederick Douglas wasn't afraid to fucking I mean, well,

741
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: his kids weren't afraid to put some skin in the.

742
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 2: Gay weren't afraid to shoot.

743
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And so fifty fourth is all black except

744
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: the not except no commissioned officers are black.

745
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.

746
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: It works, right, the fifty fourth is a like positive

747
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: test or whatever. And so they're like, oh, and also,

748
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: we're losing this war and we fucking need more people. Yes,

749
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 1: And so they send down this guy is this white

750
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 1: recruiter named Edward Kinsley. They send him down in eighteen

751
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: sixty three down to New Burn to find Galloway, who's

752
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: like hidden there, and try and convince him to come over.

753
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: And Galloway won't meet with this guy until he and

754
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: his friends watch him for a week to see how

755
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: he treats black people. And he basically wins Galloway over

756
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: just by like the bare fucking minimum of not being

757
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: a dick.

758
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 3: Like listen, listen, I hope that's a lesson to all

759
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 3: white people everywhere.

760
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 2: That's just like, listen, dog like, it ain't that hard.

761
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 3: Just we gonna watch you, like I was gonna say,

762
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 3: like even him just being like I ain't gonna meet

763
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 3: with you, but I'm ahad of home.

764
00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 2: He's watched you, you know, So which is what we do, right,

765
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 2: we all do it.

766
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 3: It's like, well let me, you know, let me let

767
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 3: me shoot up do our little googles, you know, run

768
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 3: your name up the flag pole, find that what's going on,

769
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 3: and then once we see what's up, it's like it's

770
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,959
Speaker 3: just it's like the bar is so low, like just hey, man,

771
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 3: like just just don't just don't be awful.

772
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty it's not hard. It's not hard to

773
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: not be awful. Yeah.

774
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: All he did is he he he tipped his hat

775
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: some black workers and got yelled at by the by

776
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: the union soldiers and yeah, and if you do that, you.

777
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 3: Tip your hat to to to to the black people

778
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 3: and then the white dudes yell at you like hey,

779
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 3: what the fuck you're doing.

780
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 2: You just look at me like, man, fuck you dog,

781
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.

782
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 3: The man just man, shut the fuck up, and you

783
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 3: just keep going where you're like you then I'm gonna

784
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:44,919
Speaker 3: be like I like that guy.

785
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: Yeah all right, yeah, like it's that easy. Yeah, the

786
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: bar is on the floor, so he wants you to

787
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: step over the bar.

788
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, something like you have to dig a hole into

789
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 3: the ground to go under this floor.

790
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 2: Totally.

791
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, there's plenty of people at this point, plenty

792
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 1: white people are willing.

793
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 2: To at it.

794
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, but so so they end up meeting with

795
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: Galloway and this like perfect like Cloak and Daggers thing,

796
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: you know, where he meets with the innkeeper and she

797
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: takes him upstairs and then the room is just entirely

798
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: full of people and galoways there and they tell him

799
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: point blank why we don't trust the union. They're not

800
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: paying black soldiers the same wage as white soldiers. Black

801
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: people are not being granted citizenship by the Emancipation Proclamation.

802
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: Black people had already been fighting alongside of and dying

803
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: alongside of Union troops with absolutely no recognition. And sometimes

804
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: these were in like scouting missions, and sometimes they were

805
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: like literally like you know, a place is being attacked

806
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: and you know, the black people are there also fucking

807
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: fight and no recognition from the Union army. And then

808
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 1: also a bunch of specifically racist shit is happening in newbern.

809
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 2: So they're like, yeah, all this shit's happening.

810
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: And they didn't say like, no, we're not going to

811
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: fight for the Union. They're saying, we're not going to

812
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: do it unless you meet our demands. Yeah, And so

813
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: they say, we want to be outfitted the same and

814
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: paid the same, we want housing for our families, we

815
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: want education for our kids, and we want the Union

816
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: to compel the Confederacy to treat captured black soldiers as

817
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 1: prisoners of war instead of selling or executing them. And

818
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: and this part's a little like, so Kinsley says yes, right,

819
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: so that of course he does. Yeah exactly. So then

820
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: they hold guns to his head and make him say

821
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: it again.

822
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,919
Speaker 2: Let me tell you how much I love my people? Yeah,

823
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 2: let me tell you how much? Because that is the answer.

824
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 3: When that man say yes, like, I don't think I

825
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 3: need to make sure say it again.

826
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

827
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 3: No, wait, wait, no, no, no, I'll say it again now

828
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 3: you Now you promising on your mama, this, on your mama,

829
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 3: on your hood, on your children.

830
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 2: You gonna do this, yeah, Joe said, man, I love

831
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 2: my people.

832
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: Yeah no, And so he says yes again. And the

833
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: thing I read is like Kinsley knows he can't actually

834
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 1: do these things. Galloways can't do these things. What they're

835
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: saying is you're gonna fucking try, And he yes, yes,

836
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:58,959
Speaker 1: and he does try.

837
00:39:59,160 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 2: He doesn't.

838
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: Some of the things get met eventually, some of them whatever.

839
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: But Kinsley and Galloway they end up staying friends and

840
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: stay in touch the rest of their lives. And over

841
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: five thousand black men volunteer for the Union Army in

842
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: New Bern alone, they form what was generally known as

843
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: the African Brigade. In the end, one hundred and eighty

844
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: six thousand black men fought for the Union. The vast

845
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: majority of them were formally enslaved people, and they were

846
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 1: as you point out, they're paid less than white soldiers

847
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: until eighteen sixty four, and part of that gets applied retroactively,

848
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: and there's a million fucking loopholes for the equal pay

849
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 1: that they eventually get. They're still prevented from being commissioned

850
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: officers and combat roles. You get some commissioned officers in

851
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: like medical roles, and then the Confederacy just keeps executing

852
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: captured black people and any white officer fighting alongside of them,

853
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: and the Union could have done something about it and

854
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: fucking didn't. Except actually, and I didn't write this in

855
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: the script, so I'll get all the details wrong. Except actually,

856
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: the white guy who was the commissioned officer for this

857
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: African Brigade, he was known as like the hanging like

858
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, the hangman or whatever the fuck, because

859
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: whenever black soldiers were captured and killed, he would kill

860
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: Confederate prisoners.

861
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 2: I love it because he was like, no I don't

862
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 2: do it. Yeah, no, right, yeah, it's like you shouldn't

863
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 2: kill prisoners a war. But like was, yeah, but you

864
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 2: take one, we take five. Yeah, it's what you're doing. Yeah. Yeah.

865
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: And then but union army is still proving to be

866
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: racist as fuck. And one guy, William Walker, he goes

867
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: on strike until he gets an equal wage. He was

868
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: court martialed and shot. Another guy, William Johnson, he was

869
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: caught deserting. He was executed in this like highly publicized

870
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 1: case that where they brought out a photographer to make

871
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: a big spectacle of killing this black man. Two of

872
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: the soldiers was to shoot him withere these German immigrants,

873
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: and they refused to shoot, so they were arrested.

874
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 2: Wow.

875
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: But even with all that going on. So Galloway is

876
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: like two jobs now. One is that he is recruiting

877
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: black men to fight, and he's also fighting against all

878
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: the racism within the military. He even gets his old

879
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: general Butler the Moderate, to press his higher ups for

880
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: equal equal pay. But he's no longer a union spy.

881
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: But his network's ran deep. And I should probably talk

882
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: about potatoes right now. It feels like a good time

883
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: to talk about potatoes and French fries, which I really love.

884
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: I'm really excited about my air fryer, which makes really

885
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: good French fries.

886
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 2: They really do.

887
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 3: Man, you could even go with like frozen like a

888
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 3: bag of frozen ones for that air.

889
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 4: Right device to reheat French fries.

890
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you can't reheat fries. It's really hard to

891
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 3: do that. But if you could do, we could do

892
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 3: it in an air fry with a little bit of

893
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 3: olive oil on the mug.

894
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 2: Little lowries. You good.

895
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so that's we're sponsored by the idea of

896
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: French fries and these other ads.

897
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 2: And we're back. Yeah, we are.

898
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 3: I I sometimes try to put myself in the shoes

899
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 3: of like a just moderately reasonable white dude at this

900
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 3: time who like like like you're saying, is like trying

901
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 3: to tell his higher ups, like yo, we should pay

902
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 3: these dudes the same as everybody else, and just being

903
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 3: like and just kind of looking at them like but

904
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 3: they they holding the same, They the bullet don't care

905
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 3: like they dying just like we ding Like I don't

906
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 3: understand why you think they what this don't make no

907
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 3: sense to me, Like they life in just as much dangerous,

908
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 3: are not more danger because they running a higher matter

909
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 3: of fact, we should be paying them more. Yeah, because

910
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 3: they running a higher risk than we are. Like, don't

911
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 3: that don't make sense to you? And they got more

912
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 3: mistake they you think the bullet care what color they are?

913
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,720
Speaker 2: Like, what you know? So just I just wonder.

914
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 3: I just sometimes I just think, like, man, how maddening

915
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 3: that must have been, even if you just like slightly

916
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 3: just logical, You're like, what, we're doing the same job though,

917
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 3: aren't we Like are we doing the same job?

918
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 2: Yeah?

919
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: I think a lot of even white people got radicalassed

920
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: by all this, Like in all my reading is a

921
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: lot of people start off being like, oh, I don't know,

922
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: and then they're like, oh, this shit's evil, you know.

923
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

924
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: So Galloway right no longer a Union spy, but his

925
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: networks run really deep all over the South. He managed

926
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: to smuggle his own mother out of Wilmington, which is

927
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: seventy five miles beyond Confederate lines in one of the

928
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: most heavily fortified cities in the entire Confederacy. He gets

929
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: his mom out, he arranges for her to set up

930
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: to be Boston, where she stays with one of his

931
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 1: friends from the Anti Man Hunting League.

932
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 3: Yes, I want to think that I would have the

933
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 3: balls to do that, have to get my mom out.

934
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like seventy five mile dang, Yeah,

935
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 2: that's a long walk.

936
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, And so okay, So it's hard to overstate

937
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: the importance of the black soldiers and black insurgents fighting

938
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: like and the striking black workers on the war efforts.

939
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: So I'll just say that they fucking won the war. Militarily,

940
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: they win it by fighting hard and well and by

941
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: spying and scouting. But economically they want it to And

942
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: I've already said that like three times, but I just

943
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: want to make sure everyone leaves with that impression. And

944
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: then North Carolinian journalist David Forbes puts it like this.

945
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: In April eighteen sixty four, Lincoln met with a delegation

946
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: of Galloway and several other prominent insurgent figures from the

947
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: North Carolina ports. The President greeted them with an unusual,

948
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: almost obsequious hospitality. The few observers at the meeting noted

949
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: that the delegates weren't deferential, They were direct that they

950
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: wanted the greatest of privileges, their political rights and autonomy

951
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: and pointedly emphasized the dire straits the war effort would

952
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: be in without their support. The incident comes off not

953
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: as a commander in chief giving orders, but is essentially

954
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 1: autonomous militias fully aware of their leverage, and a government

955
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 1: eager to keep them actively on their side.

956
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 2: That stuff they don't tell you.

957
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Like everything I'd always read is like, oh

958
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 1: and then the you know, the grateful black people were

959
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: so excited that the white Irish and Northerners saved them

960
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: or whatever.

961
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, from the.

962
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: Horrible racists of the South, And like, no, first of all,

963
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: the white people are racist everywhere, and some of them

964
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: are on racists everywhere. But yeah, fucking anyway, yeah, I

965
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: love that. So so Galloway end of the war. He

966
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: he moves to Wilmington, the Confederacy takes off their gray

967
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: uniforms and put on white hoods. As we all know.

968
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 2: We all know.

969
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: In eighteen sixty seven, the KKK demanded that all black

970
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: organizing cease in Wilmington. So Galloway and the black militia

971
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: were like, well, you could, you could fucking.

972
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 2: Make us if you want. Yeah, how about that.

973
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: There's like four days of street battles with the Klan,

974
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: and then the Klan fucks off out of Wilmington for

975
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: the next thirty years.

976
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 2: Love it.

977
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 1: He winds up a senator. He refuses to show deference

978
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: to white people. He fought for the rights of women,

979
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: including full subrage. He walked around carrying a pistol. He

980
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: fought for labor rights. He started working to build coalitions

981
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: with poor whites along class lines. And then because of

982
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: the fucking nineteenth century, you know what he did, he

983
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: died at thirty three.

984
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 2: Thirty.

985
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, this man like thirty This man was

986
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 4: so successful.

987
00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 3: No, listen, we are all like listen, see we're all losers, y'ah, like.

988
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 2: Uk thirty three dug okay? Yeah then yeah, yeah, he

989
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 2: dies at thirty three because it's nice thing.

990
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

991
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: And then he either dies of like a fever or

992
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: he gets poisoned. It depends on what what history book

993
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: you out you read, But yeah, that's that's goll Away.

994
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: And there's a few more parts of this whole Civil

995
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: War within the Civil War, the Civil Civil War, War,

996
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: and Civil Civil War. One part is that the the

997
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: white South was far from united in the support of

998
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: the Confederacy. A lot of people didn't want to fight

999
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 1: and die for slavery, a few of them because they

1000
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: thought slavery was bad, more because they were just like

1001
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: too poor to get to own people themselves. Yeah, but

1002
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: in eighteen sixty, no, go ahead, I.

1003
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 3: Was gonna say, I think that that's important part of

1004
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 3: the story to this, Like you're like, why intersectionality and

1005
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 3: critical race theory, like why you need to notice stuff?

1006
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 3: Is that type of intersection to where it's like, hey, dude, like, yeah,

1007
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 3: maybe I'm not a slave, but I can see that

1008
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 3: that's bullshit and I can't afford to have one anyway,

1009
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 3: and I can't stand your owner.

1010
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 2: Either, like totally.

1011
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like, Nah, he's a dickhead,

1012
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 3: you're right, Yeah, nah, fuck that guy.

1013
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 2: But I'm just as poor as you are. Yeah you

1014
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.

1015
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,720
Speaker 3: Well, not just as poor, but like in their perception

1016
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 3: they're just like, I mean, I'm poor too, Like noah, fuck,

1017
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 3: this guy's gonna fight for that, you know what I'm saying.

1018
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 3: So it's more like it's not so much they're like

1019
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 3: you know, like obviously like socially conscious and aware for

1020
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 3: their time, but just more the reality of like this,

1021
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 3: this is what a lack of resources does makes you

1022
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 3: be like man fighting your principal cause like you're talking

1023
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 3: about nah man fuck that guy.

1024
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, you just summarize the next chunk of

1025
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: my script. I just let's go. But yeah, like, okay,

1026
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: So in eighteen sixty, most way Southerners they don't live

1027
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: in the plantation belt. They live upland they live in

1028
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 1: mountains and hills. And then most of them they don't

1029
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 1: grow cash cash crops though even the ones who own

1030
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 1: land they didn't so they didn't grow cotton. They were

1031
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: just subsistence farmers. Some of them were heard Muslim subsistence

1032
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: farmers called the and they get called the yeomen, which

1033
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: is a word I never knew how to pronounce. I

1034
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: only know how to spell because it's also a word

1035
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 1: in like ye oldie medieval stories. But yeah, So that

1036
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: when the Confederacy formed and seceded, a lot of delegates

1037
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: from the mountains voted to remain within the union or

1038
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: only voted for secession after they were threatened. That's another

1039
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: thing that doesn't get talked about. Even some of the

1040
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: people voted for secession were like or you're gonna kill me,

1041
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: So I all right, you.

1042
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, yeah, I guess, uh huh.

1043
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: And then the reason West Virginia, where I live, the

1044
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: reason it exists is because it didn't want to secede

1045
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: from the Union, so it seceded from Virginia.

1046
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 2: I love it.

1047
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: The whole of East Tennessee voted to remain in the

1048
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: Union two to one, and they they weren't playing around.

1049
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,439
Speaker 1: Pro Union military companies formed in every county. One guy

1050
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: went up to d C to be like, hey, if

1051
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: we blow up all the bridges from the rest of Tennessee,

1052
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 1: where you send down troops to protect us.

1053
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 2: I love it.

1054
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: And the general is like, yeah, sure, guy, we can

1055
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 1: do that. So they went and they torched for bridges,

1056
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: but they weren't able to capture the rest so they

1057
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 1: were too heavily guarded by the Confederates. Uh So, instead

1058
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: of a Union army marching in, a Confederate army marched

1059
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 1: in and occupied East Tennessee.

1060
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 2: They declare martial law.

1061
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: They start seizing property, A bunch of the ring leaders

1062
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: are executed, hundreds are arrested, and then thousands of men

1063
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: of military age flee through the mountains through the Confederacy

1064
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: to go join the Union Army.

1065
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 2: When the when the Union.

1066
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: Recaptures East Tennessee, it was it was led by a

1067
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 1: Union regiment of Tennessee infantry. They had enough fucking people

1068
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:40,959
Speaker 1: fuck off that they were able to form an entire

1069
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: fucking regiment.

1070
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 3: That was like, no, we know, we know these we

1071
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 3: know these blue mountains. Now we know these smoking mountains.

1072
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 3: Because let me tell you where to go. You know

1073
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:48,280
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.

1074
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Winston County, Alabama, in the northern part of the state,

1075
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: they voted to secede from the Confederacy. So they decided, look,

1076
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: if the Confederates are allowed to secede from the Union,

1077
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: were allowed to secede from the Confederacy. They they four

1078
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 1: militia bands that stopped Confederate conscription and they protected local

1079
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: families from being robbed by the army. The Peace and

1080
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: Constitutional Society of Arkansas again in the mountains, this time

1081
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: in the Ozarks and so Yeapalaccha. They resist conscription. One

1082
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 1: hundred of them are arrested, eight thousand of them fled

1083
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: and served in the Union Army. In the total, over

1084
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 1: the course of the war, one hundred thousand Confederate troops deserted,

1085
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: most of them facing execution if they got caught. Yeah,

1086
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: almost all of them are folks who didn't own slaves,

1087
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: and they knew that there. They ran off because they

1088
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 1: were like, my family will fucking starve. I'm a subsistence farmer. Like,

1089
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: if I'm not there to put crops in the ground,

1090
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 1: my family will die. Yeah.

1091
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 2: Fuck this war. Yeah.

1092
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,760
Speaker 1: In the hills of Choctaw County, Mississippi, a loyal league

1093
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: of deserters spied for the Union, helped people desert robbed

1094
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: the families of those who were loyal to the Confederacy.

1095
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: Northern Alabama started off loyal to the Confederacy, but by

1096
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: eighteen sixty three was full of people resisting and Floyd

1097
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: County was go ahead.

1098
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, man, at some point, it's like,

1099
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 3: I don't care what your politics are, man, you're not

1100
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 3: gonna feed your children and know me, grinder, Yeah, you

1101
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 3: know what I mean. Like, at some point you like

1102
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 3: this is yeah, like you said, it's some bullshit, man.

1103
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 3: Like even if you started off being like yeah, you know,

1104
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 3: and then you're like, you know what this look, man, I'm.

1105
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 2: Go home grow some potatoes. Yeah.

1106
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: Basically, all through the South, people just fought against the Confederacy.

1107
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: They would ambush, they would rob, they would sabotage, they

1108
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: would assassinate, and then they were met with massacres. In Arson,

1109
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: there's a whole fucking civil war within the Civil War

1110
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,760
Speaker 1: in North Carolina. The coast had black and indigenous gorillas.

1111
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 1: They had maroons hanging out in the swamps who would

1112
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: attack the center, had these like direct action abolitionists. The

1113
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: west in the mountains had diehard Unionists. Madison County, which

1114
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: is where I lived for four or five years before now,

1115
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: was called Bloody Madison. The Confederates there came from the cities,

1116
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: but they were outnumbered by the anti Confederates who came

1117
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 1: from the hills and the unions there. Basically, they're tired

1118
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: of being robbed constantly by the Confederates, so they robbed

1119
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: all their own shit back. And then the Confederates came

1120
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: and they rounded up thirteen people and shot them in

1121
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: the mountains, including a thirteen.

1122
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 2: Year old boy.

1123
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 1: Some of the soldiers hesitated to shoot, and the commander said,

1124
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: anyone who doesn't shoot is going to get shot to

1125
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 1: the most famous of these yeomen results revolts.

1126
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 2: Sorry.

1127
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: In the Civil war was the Free State of Jones, Mississippi.

1128
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: It is another Hollywood movie you ever seen, Free stated Jones.

1129
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:28,399
Speaker 1: It's another Hollywood movie that gets fucking white savory about

1130
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: this shitah. But basically, there's this Confederate soldier named Newton Knight.

1131
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 1: He heard that his brother in law was abusing his kids,

1132
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 1: so he deserts. He walks two hundred miles home, and

1133
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: he kills the aforementioned brother in law. Then he takes

1134
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: to the swamps where he's hanging out with the maroon community,

1135
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: the runaway enslave folks, or the people no longer enslaved,

1136
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: the people fleeing enslavement. So he's hanging out there and

1137
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: then other Confederate deserters. They form a multiracial gorilla gang.

1138
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: They raid Confederate storehouses, they distribute the food back to

1139
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: the farmers. They fought fourteen skirmishes with the Confederate Army.

1140
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: Newton Knights said their numbers never exceed one hundred and

1141
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,439
Speaker 1: twenty five fighters, but a general from the Union Army

1142
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,479
Speaker 1: claims it was six hundred. They declared their county free

1143
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: from Confederates. They raised the US flagger of the courthouse,

1144
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 1: and they declared a free state of equal rights and

1145
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 1: so dope. After the war, Newton Knight writes to the

1146
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: US government and he asks for compensation for the families

1147
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: of the men who died in battle. The US is like, no,

1148
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: we don't know you all.

1149
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 2: We do and you don't know you nothing.

1150
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, because my argument is that the Union isn't really

1151
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 1: the good guys in the story.

1152
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 2: They're just the better than the Confederates guys, the other guys.

1153
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 3: Dude, there's a this this is a dope moment, like

1154
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 3: culturally for a number of reasons. But I think one

1155
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 3: of the doper like modern tie ins is especially around

1156
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 3: like the Appalachia stuff because just like the origins of

1157
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 3: like folk music, like the banjo is West African, Like

1158
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 3: that's a West After instrument. So when you have this

1159
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 3: like interaction of freed or like you know, self emancipating slaves, right,

1160
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 3: former slaves hit these Appalachian with these like Gaelic and Irish,

1161
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 3: So you have these type of sing songy stuff that's

1162
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 3: Gaelic and Irish that were hiding in the Appalachians, plus

1163
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 3: this like African banjos, and it made what we know

1164
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 3: as folk music. You know what I'm said, yeah, is

1165
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,399
Speaker 3: these people existing in these mountains who was poor trying

1166
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:32,720
Speaker 3: to figure out what they did and they was playing

1167
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 3: music outside And I'm like that to me is like

1168
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 3: a sign of like you said, what you talking about

1169
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 3: to where it's like these these people up in the

1170
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 3: mouths like, man, fuck your war, Like I had nothing

1171
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 3: to do with that. Nah, y'all come stay with us,

1172
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Or the other way around,

1173
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 3: Like black people just found this mountain and was like,

1174
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 3: oh damn, people live up here, you know.

1175
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 2: It was like what y'all doing?

1176
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 3: You know?

1177
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:55,959
Speaker 2: Yeah we free.

1178
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 3: Now I ain't scared of y'all, you know, but uh yeah,

1179
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 3: So I just think they have these I wish more

1180
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 3: people would tell these stories, if anything, just not for

1181
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 3: those no, like you know, make make us feel better

1182
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 3: about like well not all white people, right, not for

1183
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:16,760
Speaker 3: that thing, but to just understand that, you know, history

1184
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 3: is way more complicated than we was taught.

1185
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:20,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, exactly.

1186
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 1: Like even as I was trying to write this, I'm

1187
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: trying to be like, I'm not trying to fucking center

1188
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: the white anti racist in this, right, but I want

1189
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: people to know that, like, for whatever the reasons, the

1190
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 1: South was not a fucking unified place, you know, and

1191
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: then to close off this whole thing about it. Even

1192
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,280
Speaker 1: some of the fucking plantation owners.

1193
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:38,919
Speaker 2: Fuck them. I'm not defending them.

1194
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: They get in on the effect of hating the Confederacy,

1195
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 1: but they do it purely out of self interest because

1196
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,479
Speaker 1: they're a bunch of fucking capitalists, right and so yes,

1197
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: of course when well, they'll do whatever is the most profitable.

1198
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: When New Orleans gets occupied in eighteen sixty two and

1199
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:54,240
Speaker 1: then throughout Mississippi in eighteen sixty three, some rich focks

1200
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: are like, you know what, fuck it, Well, so we

1201
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: got cotton and sugar will sell it to the Union

1202
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: Army instead, which is like, it's basically what you get

1203
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 1: when you try to run a war based on the

1204
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 1: idea of creating like the collective self interest of capitalists.

1205
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: They don't have collective self interest, Like, no.

1206
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 2: There is no Yeah, it's the self interest is the money. Yeah,

1207
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 2: so I love it.

1208
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 3: They was like, y'all fighting for us to be able

1209
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 3: to keep slaves, but y'all don't buy enough, so, uh.

1210
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 2: What's up with y'all?

1211
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 7: Y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all was some sugar, yo, say, and

1212
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 7: then y'all smoke y'all, smoke y'all, smoke yo, we got

1213
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 7: this tobacco.

1214
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's ridiculous.

1215
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 2: And that is the story of the Civil Civil War war.

1216
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 2: I feel about the Civil Civil War war, man, I am.

1217
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 3: I hope that this pod gets so much like air

1218
00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 3: and oxygen in it because of the amount of stories

1219
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 3: that aren't told out of this, not only just to

1220
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 3: like the culture as a whole, but black people period.

1221
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 2: I think a lot of times, like.

1222
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 3: You know, we know that we know the uh, we

1223
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 3: know the highlight reels, you know what I mean, the

1224
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 3: Harriet Tubmans, then that Turner.

1225
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 2: It's the soul Jenner truths, you know what I'm saying.

1226
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 3: You know, the Frederick Douglas is the ones that were

1227
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 3: literate and you know, wrote biographies and autobiographies and such.

1228
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 3: But like these like you know, regular dudes that were

1229
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 3: like nah, fam, you think you think your ancestors, you

1230
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, You really think your ancestors just

1231
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 3: took it like they didn't just take it like you

1232
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like nah, like fuck tooth and

1233
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 3: nail the whole time, you know, So I think they're

1234
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 3: like even just hearing that you're right this. I have

1235
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 3: the opposite feeling of the best thing, where I feel

1236
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 3: like invigorated and inspired, like yeah food.

1237
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I succeeded.

1238
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 3: You did, Margaret. I appreciate you calling me for this one.

1239
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on. And on Wednesday, we're gonna talk

1240
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: about the Lowry Gang, which is tying into all of this,

1241
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: and you all will not be disappointed by this.

1242
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 2: Let's go prop.

1243
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 4: You got any pluggables for us at the end here?

1244
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 3: Yeah? Uh, prop hip hop dot Com.

1245
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 2: You know what I'm gonna do.

1246
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 3: Haven't plugged this on any other podject, But if y'all

1247
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 3: are in the LA area, I do this thing called

1248
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 3: Club Real Ones.

1249
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 2: It's every first Sunday in Long Beach.

1250
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 3: It's and it's it's just the day party for y'all

1251
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 3: grown folks that gotta work the next day. We're done

1252
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 3: by eight, you know what I'm saying. And there's there's

1253
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 3: at there. I mean, there's an after part. If you

1254
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 3: want to, you can go get cocktails next door. We

1255
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 3: have that too if you don't got to work tomorrow.

1256
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 3: But if you do, yo three to three to eight,

1257
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 3: just come chill with us. It's the greatest DJs in Cali.

1258
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Uh yeah, Club real Ones

1259
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 3: dot It's on my website prop hip hop dot com.

1260
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 2: And then all the professional stuff like, oh, I wrote a.

1261
00:59:56,600 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 3: Book, you know, I got my podcast or politics, yeah, Terrify.

1262
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, which I just got an award yesterday for which

1263
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 2: is a shito. Yeah. Anyway, so yeah, those are my plugs, Margaret.

1264
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 4: Anything you want to plug at the end here.

1265
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: Uh well, at the moment, I seem to like plug

1266
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 1: in my new podcast, Cool People Did Cool Stuff. You

1267
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: can also follow me on Twitter at Magpie Killjoy and

1268
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of books out. I guess the most recent

1269
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: one that's out is called A Country of Ghosts. It's

1270
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: an anarchist utopian novel.

1271
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 4: Okay, so we'll be back. We'll be back on Wednesday.

1272
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 2: We're back in the feeds. We're back in the feeds.

1273
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 2: The wrapping is mean.

1274
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 4: By my.

1275
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to Cool People Did Cool Stuff?

1276
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 1: The podcast my podcast in which I declared myself the

1277
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 1: arbiter of what counts as cool for both people and stuff.

1278
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: And then I tell you what I decided.

1279
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:06,439
Speaker 3: I've got so true, so true, I was like, wait,

1280
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 3: that's I I appreciate it.

1281
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 2: I sure did. Thanks.

1282
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: I like when you laugh at my scripted jokes. Okay,

1283
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 1: so I've got too such a great blong with me today.

1284
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 1: I've got I've got prop who's an activist, a poet,

1285
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: an MC and the host of the podcast Hood Politics,

1286
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 1: which I'm just assuming you all have listened to, because

1287
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: obviously you should listen to it.

1288
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 2: How are you doing, that's a fair assumption. I'm cool.

1289
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 3: I'm hot as hell over here. So I got my

1290
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 3: little glass of water, you know what I'm saying, so

1291
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 3: I don't catch the vapors. That's my southernsumption. Oh yeah,

1292
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 3: that's my Southern bell.

1293
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 2: Well I do declare.

1294
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 1: Well, then you're gonna get robbed in this episode. Yes,

1295
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 1: as a Southern bell. Okay, no, no, I'm with it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Let them they sitting there, what they eliminate? Talk about?

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Speaker 3: They lemonade while Big Daddy just beats my ancestors like, nah,

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Speaker 3: rob dad lady.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I've got Sophie on here as well. She's our producer.

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Speaker 1: She's the reason that podcasts exist, all podcasts. She invented podcasts.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, invented podcasting and no podcast exists without my.

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Speaker 2: Approval, yep, exactly. And sports invented the concept of sports.

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Speaker 4: Invented the concept of sports. And for the record, the

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Speaker 4: Joe Rogan Podcast is a YouTube show.

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Speaker 1: This is the second part in our two part series

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Speaker 1: about the Joe Rogan experience. No, about the Civil War.

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01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 2: Within about the Civil Civil War war.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Civil Civil War war. So you probably go

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Speaker 1: back to listen to part one, or you could just

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Speaker 1: listen to this part. Who am I to tell you

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Speaker 1: what to do to your life?

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Speaker 2: You're the person that gets to You're the arbiter of

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Speaker 2: what is cool? Oh I should tell people?

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Speaker 1: Well you should tell Okay, go back and listen to

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Speaker 1: part one and we'll wait here.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you're back. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So the last time, we talked about a whole bunch

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Speaker 1: of different, various ways that people across the South work

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Speaker 1: to fuck up the Confederacy because the Confederacy needed getting

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01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 1: fucked up. But today we're going to deep dive into

1322
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: one of my favorite groups of all time. Who fucked

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01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: up with the Confederacy. They fucked up the Confederacy, they

1324
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: fucked up the Klan, they fucked up the rich plantation owners,

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01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: all Robinhood style. They even fucked up the hypocrite reconstructious

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Speaker 1: Republicans eventually, and they were indigenous led multi racial insurrection

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01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 1: or bandit crew, depending on what you want to call it.

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01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 1: From North Carolina. Dozens of racist sheriffs and far right

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01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 1: militia members get murdered in this story. There's at least

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Speaker 1: five prison breaks. And that's right. I'm talking about the

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Speaker 1: one and the only lowry gang. I wrote air horns

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Speaker 1: please so if.

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Speaker 2: I think it's very.

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Speaker 3: Important to remember too that like the Confederate Nation lasted

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01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 3: four years, like y'all, Like Nirvana had a longer run,

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01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 3: Like yeah, there's y'all, like y'all, Audi hoop over something

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01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 3: that was four years long, like Lebron got a longer

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Speaker 3: career than the Confederate Nation.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I'm just like y'all anyway.

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Speaker 1: No, no, yeah, Like, which is actually why when you

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01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 1: talk about principled people, you're talking about shit that they

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Speaker 1: were doing before and after the Civil War, because like, yeah,

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01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: because fuck, you have Confederates is great, but there was

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01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 1: people worth fucking up before the Confederacy and absolute literacy.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's like yeah, and then y'allo and then y'all

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01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 3: like fifty years later, fifty one hundred years later, decided

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01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 3: to like raise some monuments, Yeah for your four year

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01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 3: long career anyway, where.

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Speaker 2: You just terrorized everyone who lived there? Were you just terrorized?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, in your own hood, like you've just heard, your

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01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 3: own hood didn't mess with you.

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Speaker 2: These people really ain't fooling with y'all like this.

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Speaker 1: So, so before I can tell you about the Lottery Gang,

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01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 1: I want to I want to go way the fuck

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01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 1: back and tell you some shit from hundreds of years back.

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Speaker 1: And I'm going to tell you about going to Croatan, Okay,

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01:04:57,800 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 1: the lost colony of Roanoke.

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Speaker 2: What you know where this is going.

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Speaker 3: Discovery Channel styles, Yeah, exactly, Yeah, I love this.

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Speaker 2: This story is incredible. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: There's an island off the coast in North Carolina called

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Speaker 1: Roanoak Island. In fifteen eighty five, the English tried to

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Speaker 1: put their first permanent settlement in the New World there,

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Speaker 1: like this is before the fucking Mayflower. Jamestown, Virginia wasn't

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01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 1: until sixteen oh seven. But this settlement effort was led

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Speaker 1: by some piece of shit household named Ralph Lane, who

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Speaker 1: had spent the last two years as a colonial sheriff

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Speaker 1: in Ireland before he had, Before that, he'd been the

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01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 1: kind of asshole. His job it is to catch smugglers.

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Speaker 1: I really don't like this guy.

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Speaker 2: No, he's the worse.

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Speaker 1: He lands on the island and he tries to set

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Speaker 1: up shop. One of the first fucking things he builds

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Speaker 1: is a fucking jail, yes, and then he gets mad

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01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 1: at one. It turns out people lived there already. He

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01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 1: gets mad at one of the indigenous leaders and he

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Speaker 1: kills him, and for some odd reason it's hard for

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Speaker 1: me to totally understand, the local folks didn't like this,

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Speaker 1: and they didn't ye, they didn't actually he the white

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Speaker 1: people out after they killed their leader, and so the

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Speaker 1: colony fails and Ralph Lane fucks off back to England

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Speaker 1: and he leaves behind a couple guys so that they can, like,

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Speaker 1: so England can be like it's ours or whatever. You know,

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Speaker 1: clearly there's plenty of a couple guys there already, but whatever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 1: Fortunately, like ten years later, just to close the Ralph

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Speaker 1: Lane saga, he goes back to colonizing Ireland, and then

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Speaker 1: the Irish fucking rise up and gravely wound him, and

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Speaker 1: he lives in terrible pain for the few remaining years

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Speaker 1: of his life. Anyway, back to Roanoke fifteen eighty seven,

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Speaker 1: you've got another guy, John White.

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Speaker 2: He's honestly not that much better.

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Speaker 1: He goes on his way to set up a colony

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Speaker 1: in Virginia on the Chesapeake, and he swings by to

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Speaker 1: drop off supplies for these guys that Ralph Lane ditched

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Speaker 1: there except John White. He has a Spanish guy on

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Speaker 1: board named Simon Fernandez, Simon Fernandez probably, and he's a

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Speaker 1: fucking pirate. He's just he's been arrested for piracy. He

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Speaker 1: was going to be fucking killed as a pirate. And

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Speaker 1: then the British Crown was like, actually we kind of

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Speaker 1: want him on.

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Speaker 2: Our ses, that guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly, And so they land on this island

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Speaker 1: and then Simon is like, actually, we're not going any further,

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Speaker 1: y'all are going to stay here. This is where we're

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Speaker 1: setting up the colony. And he like forces them to

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01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 1: set up the colony on Roanoke and no one knows

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01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 1: why he did this, and so they unload one hundred

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Speaker 1: and seventeen colonists and then this one indigenous guy named

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Speaker 1: Mantio who was just catching a ride back to North

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Speaker 1: America from England, and no one knows why Simon did this.

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Speaker 1: He said he did it because they were running out

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Speaker 1: of time to get crops in the ground. Like he's

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Speaker 1: just in a fucking hurry, he wants to get home

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Speaker 1: or something. Other people are like, oh, some spy shit,

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01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 1: some geopolitical whatever. Others say that he wanted to stay

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Speaker 1: close to the West Indies, so he get back to

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Speaker 1: Piracy as soon as possible. I kind of think for

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Speaker 1: no reason. I'm like, I think he just talked to Mantio,

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Speaker 1: and Mantio is like, no, this just set up near

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Speaker 1: my friends.

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Speaker 3: I honestly think it was like yeah, like the Path

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Speaker 3: of Lea's Resistance, just like yeah, yeah, how's you doing

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01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:03,919
Speaker 3: over here?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. And so this guy Mantio, they kept calling

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Speaker 1: him a chief, but he wasn't a fucking chief. His

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Speaker 1: mom was in charge. But I don't think he worked

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Speaker 1: really hard to convince them that he wasn't a chief.

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Speaker 1: I think he was like, all right with going to

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Speaker 1: England and you call the chief or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 1: So Simon and Ralph they are not Ralph the fucking

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Speaker 1: John White. They don't stick around. They leave one hundred

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Speaker 1: and seventeen people, one hundred and eighteen people, and then

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01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 1: they just fuck off back to England to get more supplies,

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01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 1: and they're like, h good luck, see you soon, but

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01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:36,760
Speaker 1: they they don't come back soon. They get sucked into

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01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:38,640
Speaker 1: the Anglo Spanish War, which is like a back and

1439
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 1: forth piracy thing. They come back three years later, and

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01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:43,680
Speaker 1: then fifteen eighty when they show up, the settlement is

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01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 1: fucking gone.

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Speaker 2: It's gone. Yes, yeah, anything.

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Speaker 4: On a boat happen quickly, Like.

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Speaker 1: No, probably not back then, yeah no, but yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I like that anyway, No, keep telling the story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: So they show up and there's a palisade around the settlement, right,

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01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 1: and it's completely abandoned, and the word Croatan is carved

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01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:07,519
Speaker 1: into the palisade, and then the word crow is carved

1450
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 1: into a tree, and people act like this is like

1451
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,720
Speaker 1: the greatest mystery of all time. Croatan is the name

1452
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 1: of like the next island over where Mantana's from, Like

1453
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:22,640
Speaker 1: so easy, yeah, And then instead of going to go

1454
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 1: see if that's where their colonists are the next island over,

1455
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:27,600
Speaker 1: they're like, well, this is like a storm coming, so

1456
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:29,560
Speaker 1: I guess I'm going to go back to England. It

1457
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 1: just fucking goes back to England instead of looking so

1458
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 1: and like as if their message is super fucking cryptic

1459
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:40,680
Speaker 1: and no one actually knows for sure what happened to

1460
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,680
Speaker 1: the colony but the most likely answer, and people like

1461
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 1: didn't want to accept that people just fucked off and

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01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 1: joined indigenous groups around there, because people like couldn't fathom that,

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01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 1: like white people would do that. But there's like more

1464
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 1: and more evidence that basically every single time white people

1465
01:09:56,320 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 1: join indigenous tribes, they never want to go back to

1466
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:04,679
Speaker 1: be in European and they like the opposite is rarely true,

1467
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 1: but so anyway, people are like, what a fucking cryptic

1468
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:09,759
Speaker 1: note they wrote down the name of the fucking island

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01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 1: they went to, which brings us to the Lumbye. The

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01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 1: Lumbia are a tribe in coastal North Carolina. The federal

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Speaker 1: government has never recognized them officially, though the State of

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01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 1: North Carolina has, and the heroes of today's story are

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01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 1: mostly Lumby and all of its centers around the Lumbee community.

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01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 1: So the Lumbia descended from a mix of SiO In, Algonquin,

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01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:32,680
Speaker 1: and Iroquoian people. In addition, at least two Lumbe historians

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01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 1: claim that when the Lumbee met Scotch Irish and English

1477
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 1: colonists for the first time, the Lumbia were already speaking English.

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01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 1: In fact, they were speaking this very old fashioned version

1479
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 1: of English, and many of them had gray or blue

1480
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 1: eyes and blonde hair. And so Adolph Diel, who's a

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01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 1: Lumbia historian, writes this plainly in his book The Only

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01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 1: Land I Know that the Lumbi are descended. In addition,

1483
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 1: they're also descended from the lost colony of Roanoke, and

1484
01:10:57,160 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 1: actual birth records and the like don't fucking exist. Dial

1485
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 1: argues that the evidence matches up with the oral tradition

1486
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 1: of the Lumbe as well, and at least one of

1487
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 1: the people im I talk about today in the Lowry Wars,

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01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 1: which we'll be talking about a second, also believes that

1489
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:14,440
Speaker 1: this is true. But this is not actually full consensus

1490
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:18,679
Speaker 1: about where the Lumbee come from, but an interesting story,

1491
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 1: and it's one that ties into what the Lowries that

1492
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 1: I will be talking about seem to believe about themselves

1493
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,600
Speaker 1: as well. I just feel weird being like and this

1494
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:28,200
Speaker 1: is the origin of I mean, these people are still

1495
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 1: fucking around right like, Yeah, you know I'm yeah, but

1496
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 1: and there's not like consensus between in any given group

1497
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 1: either way. In the eighteen sixties, the Lumbee are an

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01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:43,719
Speaker 1: unrecognized tribe living in their own traditional territory in the Swampson,

1499
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 1: North Carolina, centered on what becomes Robison County, and in

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01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 1: eighteen sixty four, with the Civil War raging all around them,

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01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:54,400
Speaker 1: that's where the story of the Lowry Gang begins. Okay,

1502
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:56,600
Speaker 1: so yellow fever had just killed off a lot of

1503
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 1: the enslaved people who are being forced to build a

1504
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 1: place called Fort Fisher the Confederacy. So the Confederacy started

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01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 1: conscripting the Lumby and they conscript several cousins of the

1506
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 1: Lowry family, which is a large and influential family in

1507
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 1: that area. Henry Barry Lowry, he's our main character, and

1508
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 1: a bunch of others. They hit out in the swamps

1509
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 1: to avoid all this conscription. And it wasn't actually strictly

1510
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 1: legal even within the Confederacy to force manual labor out

1511
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 1: of people who weren't black. So but no white people

1512
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 1: gave a shit that this is fucking happening, and so

1513
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:29,599
Speaker 1: they get away with it, and they would do this

1514
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 1: thing called tied mule conscription, where you basically the example

1515
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:36,719
Speaker 1: version is you set a tied mule out on someone's

1516
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:38,599
Speaker 1: land and then or you like, let loose a bunch

1517
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 1: of hogs or something, and then you wait for them

1518
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:42,599
Speaker 1: to get a quote stolen by the people whose land

1519
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 1: it is. Wow, and then you blackmail them.

1520
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 2: Of course, yeah, of course you do.

1521
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 1: And so they get blackmailed for money or land or

1522
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:55,560
Speaker 1: forced labor so that they don't get taken a court.

1523
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:57,799
Speaker 1: Rich landowners have been doing the shit to the lumby

1524
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,639
Speaker 1: for a while, basically slowly stealing all their fucking land

1525
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 1: by doing this. And one history and I was reading

1526
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 1: and pointed out that this is it's comparable to how

1527
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:08,720
Speaker 1: plea bargains work. Right, You catch someone up on some

1528
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:11,360
Speaker 1: fucking bullshit charges and then you blackmail them into pleading

1529
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 1: out for a lesser charger or fine.

1530
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that's exactly it. Oh, it's so lame.

1531
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's what they're doing to these people. And

1532
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:24,800
Speaker 1: this guy named James P. Barnes, he was doing this

1533
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:29,160
Speaker 1: to some lowries and he probably would have lived to

1534
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:31,639
Speaker 1: regret it, but he didn't get a chance to live

1535
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:35,679
Speaker 1: to regret it because Barnes was a wealthy slave owner

1536
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 1: and a minor Confederate official. And on December twenty first,

1537
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 1: eighteen sixty four, after he'd accused some lowries of stealing

1538
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 1: his hogs, he's on his way to the post office

1539
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 1: when he gets shot with a shotgun and then takes

1540
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:47,639
Speaker 1: a bullet point blank to the head.

1541
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:52,519
Speaker 3: True colative pointed at your dome, yeah, d.

1542
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 1: So next they kill this guy named James Brantley Harris,

1543
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 1: who's a Confederate conscription officer, a known rape and a

1544
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:02,639
Speaker 1: sheriff who liked to round up all the non white

1545
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 1: people and force them into labor camps. And in order

1546
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 1: to tell you about Harris, I've got to tell you

1547
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 1: about this idea called Scuffletown. Harris was supposed to keep

1548
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:14,920
Speaker 1: peace in this place called Scuffletown. And the thing is

1549
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 1: is that, at least in none of the historians that

1550
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 1: I've read and actually know exactly what Scuffletown means it.

1551
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:23,639
Speaker 1: It might be that some people know and I haven't

1552
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 1: been able to find it. But Scuffletown was it was

1553
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 1: the place that the lumbee met in Robison County at

1554
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 1: the time. It was the center of the social world

1555
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 1: and it was maybe a fixed location or maybe it

1556
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 1: was just the word that they used for wherever they

1557
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:38,760
Speaker 1: all were, right, like a roving free space basically. And

1558
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 1: so they're all at Scuffletown. It's Confederate fuck. Harris is

1559
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 1: harassing a woman and two of the boys of the

1560
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 1: Lowry clan stand up to him and he beats them

1561
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 1: to death, this fucking sheriff. So everyone's fucking furious. They

1562
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 1: all show up at the boy's funeral and a warrant

1563
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 1: goes out for Harris, but he doesn't get to show

1564
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:01,800
Speaker 1: up in court because he was out pleasure riding in

1565
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:04,680
Speaker 1: his buggy when some people just fucking shot it up

1566
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:07,919
Speaker 1: and killed him in his buggy after he did this bullshit,

1567
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 1: and maybe his body was thrown down a well, maybe

1568
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 1: it was buried like facing north south instead of east

1569
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 1: west and like basically as a sign of disrespect. Yeah,

1570
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 1: And so now the Lowries have this sort of problem.

1571
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 1: They've just killed a bunch of fucking people, and they're like, well,

1572
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 1: we're probably not coming back from this, right, So they

1573
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 1: decided to go on the offensive. And decades earlier in

1574
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 1: North Carolina had passed gun control laws that basically said

1575
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:35,800
Speaker 1: free people of color weren't allowed to own guns, and

1576
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:39,760
Speaker 1: this applied to indigenous people as well. Of course, Yeah,

1577
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 1: where fucking most of the gun control laws in this

1578
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:43,799
Speaker 1: country come from.

1579
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:44,880
Speaker 2: Shit like that.

1580
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 1: Yes, But so the lowries didn't have enough guns of

1581
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:50,679
Speaker 1: their own because it was harder for them to get them.

1582
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:53,639
Speaker 1: But they knew where some were kept, the courthouse where

1583
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 1: they kept all the guns for the local militia. So

1584
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:00,680
Speaker 1: they fucking steal all the guns from the courthouse and

1585
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 1: then they're like, all right, fuck it, we're all in.

1586
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:04,639
Speaker 1: And they basically just become robin hoods and they spend

1587
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 1: they rob plantations, they distribute all the shit that they

1588
01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:10,679
Speaker 1: steal in Scuffle Town. In all their raids, they avoid

1589
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 1: robbing black folks, Indigenous folks, and then what get called buckskins,

1590
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 1: which are the Scotch Irish who are sort of a

1591
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:20,160
Speaker 1: step below white at this time, they're still above indigenous

1592
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 1: people and black people. And one time they actually do

1593
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 1: rob this buckskin that they think is rich, but they

1594
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 1: found out he only had fifteen bucks, so they just

1595
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 1: give him his money back and let him go. I know,

1596
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:34,120
Speaker 1: they're so sweet.

1597
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 4: They're like, excuse me, you are broke, broke it's fine.

1598
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not gonna help. You're not helping, bro, It's

1599
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:44,840
Speaker 2: all good, don't worry about it.

1600
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 1: So okay, So half their members are literally just people

1601
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 1: with the last named Lowry. But the Lowry Gang was multiracial.

1602
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:53,839
Speaker 1: They had a bunch of people who had escaped enslavement,

1603
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 1: at least one Confederate deserter, a handful of like random

1604
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 1: white folks, especially buckskins, and for a while, a bunch

1605
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 1: of Unions solders who are scaping pow camps, including one

1606
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 1: of them who probably like is credited, who's credited for

1607
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:09,679
Speaker 1: training them in guerrilla tactics because he was a Union scout,

1608
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:15,519
Speaker 1: and and the Lowry Gang fucking loved guns. They just

1609
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 1: they each one of them carried two to three revolvers,

1610
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 1: a shotgun, a rifle, and a bowie knife. Apparently, I

1611
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:27,560
Speaker 1: don't even fuck, I don't know, but yeah, I'm impressed.

1612
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 2: It's a little bit excessive.

1613
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:32,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm like, I'm just like, the how's the

1614
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 3: physicality of carrying that many weapons? Like, okay, well, I mean,

1615
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 3: full respect, there's a lot of things that people do

1616
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 3: in that century that I'm not able to do. Yeah,

1617
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:46,640
Speaker 3: let me go ahead, fall back on these foods.

1618
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 1: And I feel like, because if you did it now, right,

1619
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 1: you just need it. You're going a little overboard. It's

1620
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:55,479
Speaker 1: completely unnecessary to have that many guns. But think about

1621
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 1: reloading in the nineteenth century, you know, and you're like,

1622
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 1: you shoot your rifle, and do you want to wait

1623
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 1: like forty seconds to reload your rifle or do you

1624
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 1: want to drop it pick up your shotgun?

1625
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:09,520
Speaker 2: You know that's actually a that's actually.

1626
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 3: A tooche touche margarete.

1627
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 2: Because yeah, like I ain't really got time.

1628
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 3: You can't just yeah, these ain't automatic weapons, like you

1629
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:20,879
Speaker 3: gotta like dang touche.

1630
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 2: I never even thought you.

1631
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:28,880
Speaker 3: Are absolutely correct. Yeah, no, it makes sense because you like,

1632
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 3: oh yeah, you can't just yeah, you got I just

1633
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:32,800
Speaker 3: need another gun.

1634
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 2: I can't just be like click click click click, like yeah, yeah,

1635
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 2: good point on me.

1636
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 1: So Henry Lowry, he's there a leader, either formally or informally,

1637
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 1: it's hard to know. His history books always pick a leader,

1638
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 1: and sometimes people in history pick leaders, but not always right.

1639
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:49,599
Speaker 1: He always ties into the banjo thing. He's a he's

1640
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 1: a quiet, handsome man. All everyone talks about that, and

1641
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:54,720
Speaker 1: he all he loves playing banjo and fiddle when he's

1642
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:58,559
Speaker 1: not murdering people who need murdering. Okay, and they're all

1643
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 1: and they're all young as shit, which probably ties into

1644
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 1: way have so many guns too, to be real true,

1645
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:06,720
Speaker 1: Like some of them are fourteen years old. Henry is

1646
01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 1: twenty when all this starts. They're numbers. They ebb and flow,

1647
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 1: and they often would like just live their normal lives

1648
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:14,599
Speaker 1: and then go run off to the swamps when it's

1649
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 1: time to avoid repression, and then would go join up

1650
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:19,800
Speaker 1: the gang when it's time to go, you know, rob

1651
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:23,479
Speaker 1: somebody who needs robbing full respect, And they basically just

1652
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:25,839
Speaker 1: act as the armed wing of Scuffle Town. It seems

1653
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 1: like they and we know that Henry Lowry was like

1654
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:31,240
Speaker 1: sort of in charge or whatever, but they also operated

1655
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:34,800
Speaker 1: through voting. At one point, they decide to hang someone

1656
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 1: based on majority vote, and whoa, Okay, yeah, I love

1657
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 1: we gotta kill this guy. I thin't werenna kill this guy.

1658
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 1: I'll guess let's story but later yeah.

1659
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what's out thing? We just I mean, so

1660
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 2: we should like we should hang him, right all right?

1661
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 2: So okay, look, show a hands, do we hang this

1662
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:55,559
Speaker 2: dude or not? I love it?

1663
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you imagine being that guy, and you're just like, no,

1664
01:19:58,040 --> 01:19:58,840
Speaker 1: vote the other way.

1665
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, i'd you're like, ah, no, man, like you

1666
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 3: raise your mess Yeah, a messy, don't you think.

1667
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, sorry, dude, you're outvoted. You're gonna get that.

1668
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 2: This is what we're doing. Hey, sorry, homie, we gonna

1669
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 2: hang you. Yeah.

1670
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:19,640
Speaker 1: And the whole larger community is helping them out, the

1671
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:22,760
Speaker 1: entire county, like the Lumbee folks, the black folks, and

1672
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 1: a few of the white folks. Not the rich fucking

1673
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 1: white folks around there, but they're all like passing along information,

1674
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:30,679
Speaker 1: they're scouting, they're treating the wounded, and at some point

1675
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:33,760
Speaker 1: they muster a militia to frustrate attempts to find them.

1676
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:38,600
Speaker 1: And the reason some of that stuff is important, to

1677
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:43,080
Speaker 1: quote historians Neil Shirley and Sarah le Stafford, to privilege

1678
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 1: specific acts of banditry over this larger network of resistance

1679
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 1: would be to misunderstand the roots of a rebellion that

1680
01:20:48,439 --> 01:20:52,040
Speaker 1: had already begun well before the first assassinations of Confederate officers,

1681
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:54,920
Speaker 1: and would result in an over emphasis on the quote

1682
01:20:55,040 --> 01:21:00,080
Speaker 1: men's work of an insurgency that actually involved the entire community.

1683
01:20:59,880 --> 01:21:02,759
Speaker 1: I just like that, because it's like everyone is involved

1684
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 1: in this shit, right, Like some of the people, mostly men,

1685
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 1: are off doing the direct work, but all of the

1686
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:10,559
Speaker 1: other work that helps them is fucking just as important.

1687
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:14,760
Speaker 1: And so okay, So they've killed all these guys, right,

1688
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:17,880
Speaker 1: eighteen sixty five, six of them are rounded up, and

1689
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:20,439
Speaker 1: they go and they're put on trial, and they're put

1690
01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 1: on trial by actually I think I've heard you talk

1691
01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:25,080
Speaker 1: about them. They're put on trial by the Home Guard,

1692
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 1: which is the local policing body that led later to

1693
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:32,679
Speaker 1: the police that tracks down Confederate deserters, escaped Union prisoners,

1694
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:37,160
Speaker 1: and people escaping enslavement. So this is the precursor to

1695
01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:40,600
Speaker 1: the police in the South as the Home Plus, which yeah,

1696
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 1: behind the police. Is actually the first time I heard

1697
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:43,760
Speaker 1: of them, so that's why I was like excited to

1698
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:46,360
Speaker 1: put this in. So six folks are arrested, accused of

1699
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:50,719
Speaker 1: stealing food and weapons from nearby plantations and helping Confederate

1700
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 1: deserters and escaped Union POWs all of They probably did

1701
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:56,680
Speaker 1: all this shit, right, they denied it. They were like, no,

1702
01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:59,320
Speaker 1: we didn't do any of that. We're like innocent and stuff,

1703
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 1: you know. Of course, no, we did it, Yeah, totally, nah, no,

1704
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:12,800
Speaker 1: it's not. Two of the Lowryes, Alan and William, who

1705
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:15,160
Speaker 1: are father and son. They get tried by this jury

1706
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 1: that's made up of the fucking Home Guard and they're executed.

1707
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 1: A few days later, the Home Guard shows back up

1708
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 1: and arrests Grandma Lowry Mary. They tired of a fucking

1709
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 1: steak and blindfold her and then mock executor, firing their

1710
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:31,160
Speaker 1: guns into the air above her, demanding that she tell

1711
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:34,640
Speaker 1: them where her sons are, and she refuses.

1712
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 3: Good for her, Yeah, you're you're a rider, Yeah, like

1713
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 3: you have to know if your sons act like this,

1714
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:45,719
Speaker 3: your grant is this your grandchildren that are like riders

1715
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 3: like this, then you definitely come from a stock to

1716
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 3: where your grandmom is like, yeah, I'm a snitch on

1717
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 3: my own grandchildren. Yeah, exactly, shoot your guns, shoot them, yeah,

1718
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 3: keep shooting them and yeah.

1719
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:00,679
Speaker 1: And after this it actually calms down for a while,

1720
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 1: and like several points in the story, it probably would

1721
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 1: have all ended, except then the Home Guard decides to

1722
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:10,880
Speaker 1: fuck with Henry's wedding. Henry he marries his cousin, a

1723
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:15,600
Speaker 1: woman named Rhoda Strong, and the wedding is fucking I know,

1724
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 1: those times are yeah, uh, it's one of them.

1725
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:20,840
Speaker 2: Okay.

1726
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:22,400
Speaker 1: So this is like one of the most important Lumby

1727
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:25,720
Speaker 1: families that universally loved. The feast table is seventy five

1728
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 1: feet long, right for their fucking wedding. Hundreds of people

1729
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:30,639
Speaker 1: are there. And with hundreds of people there, the Home

1730
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 1: Guard shows up to arrest Henry for the murder of

1731
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:35,680
Speaker 1: one of these Confederate focks that they killed earlier. So

1732
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:37,439
Speaker 1: he grabs like one of the only two white people

1733
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:39,879
Speaker 1: there and hides behind them, which I think is fucking brilliant.

1734
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:44,719
Speaker 1: So the cops don't shoot him, and then the entire

1735
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 1: wedding party attacks the Home Guard unarmed. They're beaten back,

1736
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 1: and eventually they do successfully arrest Henry, but they didn't

1737
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:53,799
Speaker 1: fucking kill him, which I think is completely possible.

1738
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:55,639
Speaker 2: They would have just killed him there, you know. Yeah.

1739
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he goes to jail, He gets put on trial,

1740
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 1: and he completely re uses to cooperate. He won't speak

1741
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:04,920
Speaker 1: on his own behalf, he won't cross examine witnesses. He's

1742
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:08,960
Speaker 1: just like, now, fuck this, fuck you, yeah, all day

1743
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:12,880
Speaker 1: every day. Yeah, because he knows his family has his back, right,

1744
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:17,400
Speaker 1: So he's in jail for not very long. He uses

1745
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 1: a file to file through the bars of the jail

1746
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:24,640
Speaker 1: and then break out. And the oral yeah, the oral

1747
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:27,360
Speaker 1: tradition here is that that his wife wrote a strong

1748
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:29,040
Speaker 1: baked the file into a cake.

1749
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:35,720
Speaker 3: So it's like, so it's like old school. This is

1750
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 3: a movie cartoon. Yeah, let's go.

1751
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:41,440
Speaker 1: Oh, it's going to get so much more cartoony.

1752
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:42,760
Speaker 2: I love it.

1753
01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 1: And so what I was reading this, I was like,

1754
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 1: is this where this comes from? This idea of bake

1755
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:51,760
Speaker 1: the file into the cake. No, it's older than this.

1756
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:56,960
Speaker 1: One time, like twenty years earlier, Alexander Duma had used

1757
01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:58,519
Speaker 1: it as a plot point in one of his books.

1758
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 1: And then like years later, so Irish anti colonial forces

1759
01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:06,160
Speaker 1: bust someone out of jail in Ireland by doing this,

1760
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:10,760
Speaker 1: so dope, and so.

1761
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:14,800
Speaker 2: I respect it so much. I respect it so damn much.

1762
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:16,639
Speaker 1: So he files his fucking way out of the jail

1763
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 1: and he's out. And then the Civil War comes to

1764
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 1: an end, and when General Sherman passes through the area,

1765
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:24,720
Speaker 1: most of the Union members who are part of the

1766
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:28,920
Speaker 1: gang go and leave and rejoin the military. But even

1767
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:32,120
Speaker 1: with the Confederacy defeated, the US didn't stop Former Confederate

1768
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 1: officials from continuing on in the new administration in the area,

1769
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 1: and the KKK rises to power as an extra legal

1770
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:42,400
Speaker 1: arm of the repressive state, basically of course, and so

1771
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:45,559
Speaker 1: during this time, the poor folks in Robison County they

1772
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:49,600
Speaker 1: turn to the Lowries for protection, and the Republicans are like,

1773
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:53,120
Speaker 1: fucked right, because they're in a their base entirely loves

1774
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 1: the Lowries, right, but their whole thing is that they're

1775
01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:58,559
Speaker 1: trying to be like law and order, and so they're

1776
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:02,400
Speaker 1: incredibly divine on it. But in the end they reinstate

1777
01:26:02,439 --> 01:26:05,800
Speaker 1: the bounty against Henry Lowry, which again, it all could

1778
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:09,080
Speaker 1: have just fucking stopped. If they'd stopped coming after this guy,

1779
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 1: it all would have been fucking over. But the new

1780
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:16,200
Speaker 1: Republican sheriff and someone from the Freedman's Bureau, which is

1781
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 1: the federal agency test with helping newly freed people. They

1782
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:22,080
Speaker 1: show up at Henry's house very politely, and they have

1783
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:24,439
Speaker 1: like a pleasant meal and a chat, and Henry plays

1784
01:26:24,439 --> 01:26:28,400
Speaker 1: fiddle for them. They and they convince him. They're like, look,

1785
01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:30,680
Speaker 1: your best shot is to go and stand trial and

1786
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 1: be found innocent and put all of this behind you.

1787
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:36,800
Speaker 1: So he agrees and he goes off to jail because

1788
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:38,880
Speaker 1: he's like, all right, new administration, let's see what's going on.

1789
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:41,440
Speaker 2: It is what it is? Yeah, Yeah.

1790
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:43,600
Speaker 1: But when he's in jail, he starts hearing rumors that

1791
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 1: there's a posse out to lynch him and they're going

1792
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 1: to drown him in the river. So he's like, you

1793
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:51,799
Speaker 1: know what, you fuck this. There isn't enough fucking security

1794
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 1: at the jail to stop a posse, which I think

1795
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 1: Henry must have figured it means that there wasn't enough

1796
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:58,640
Speaker 1: security to keep him locked in. So one day the

1797
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:00,720
Speaker 1: guard comes to the meal and Lowry he pulls out

1798
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:03,920
Speaker 1: a gun and a knife on him, because I guess

1799
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:05,880
Speaker 1: when he turned himself in he just brought a gun

1800
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:07,679
Speaker 1: and a knife in case he needed them in jail,

1801
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:08,679
Speaker 1: just in case.

1802
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:10,200
Speaker 3: How you'd be able to hi, how is his man

1803
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:11,960
Speaker 3: able to hold on to a gun and a knight? Oh?

1804
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 1: I don't fucking know, h man, you lucky dog, and

1805
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:18,439
Speaker 1: saying yeah, His quote to the jailer that he pulls

1806
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 1: the gun on is I'm tired of this.

1807
01:27:21,479 --> 01:27:26,840
Speaker 2: And then he just lets himself out of jail. What what?

1808
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:30,680
Speaker 1: And then apparently on his way out of town, he

1809
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:33,200
Speaker 1: stops at a house and breaks in and steals crackers

1810
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:35,120
Speaker 1: to eat, and then leaves and goes into the swamps.

1811
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:43,080
Speaker 2: I know, you know what I'm done playing with y'all. Yeah, exactly.

1812
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:46,839
Speaker 1: So six weeks later, the Lowery Gang is back in business,

1813
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 1: and there's this wealthy landowner named Reuben King. He spent

1814
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:54,719
Speaker 1: decades catching enslaved people on the run, brutalizing Indigenous people

1815
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:58,000
Speaker 1: and evicting poor tenants. So the Lowry Gang shows up

1816
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:00,679
Speaker 1: at his house, kills him in his parlor and steals

1817
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:04,880
Speaker 1: all this shit. And so now instead of just being

1818
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:07,120
Speaker 1: instead of at war with the Confederacy, the entire large

1819
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 1: community they're part of is now at war with the

1820
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:13,560
Speaker 1: new Republican government in the area. Okay, so the Republicans

1821
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:16,800
Speaker 1: they hire an ex Confederate again, Captain Owen Norman, to

1822
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:20,400
Speaker 1: hunt down the Lowryes. And you know his job during

1823
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:23,160
Speaker 1: the fucking Confederacy was that he hunted down indigenous folks

1824
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 1: for the Confederacy, and now he's going to do it

1825
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:27,840
Speaker 1: for the Republicans. The Home Guard is disbanded, but now

1826
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:30,240
Speaker 1: you have the new Police Guard, which is I think

1827
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:32,240
Speaker 1: the same people doing the same thing.

1828
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 2: Literally the same Yeah, we won't let that pass. We

1829
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:37,440
Speaker 2: won't let that pass. Bido. Yeah.

1830
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:41,000
Speaker 1: So the police guard and this led by this guy Norman,

1831
01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 1: grab eight of the gang. Two of them do give

1832
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:47,320
Speaker 1: info under torture, but then like later repudiate their statements

1833
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:50,680
Speaker 1: and say not as is made under duress, and but

1834
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:53,679
Speaker 1: eight of their number being in jailed and slow anything down.

1835
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:57,479
Speaker 1: One newspaper at the time, which fucking hated them and

1836
01:28:57,560 --> 01:28:59,519
Speaker 1: was like trying to talk shit on them, claim that

1837
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:02,400
Speaker 1: there's three hundred fighters in the Lowry gang, which is

1838
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:05,839
Speaker 1: probably an exaggeration, but there was there was no shortage

1839
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:07,720
Speaker 1: of people willing to go fucking do this shit in

1840
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:11,400
Speaker 1: the area. So a few days before the trial, this

1841
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:15,080
Speaker 1: asshole captain Owen Normant the he hears a noise at

1842
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 1: his door at his fucking plantation, because of course he

1843
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:19,040
Speaker 1: lives on a fucking plantation.

1844
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:21,200
Speaker 2: Of course he does, yes, And so.

1845
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:23,320
Speaker 1: He goes outside because he hears a noise, and he

1846
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:26,639
Speaker 1: somehow finds himself with an extra bullet in him and

1847
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:30,160
Speaker 1: his family runs off to get a doctor who rushes

1848
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:32,320
Speaker 1: over in a buggy with a mule pulling it. And

1849
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:34,680
Speaker 1: then the poor mule is about a mile away from

1850
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:37,360
Speaker 1: the plantation when the mule also develops a case of

1851
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:42,280
Speaker 1: too many bullets and dies, which is as far as

1852
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:46,920
Speaker 1: like its the only innocent victim that the loweries get anywhere. Yeah,

1853
01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:49,800
Speaker 1: or collateral damage bent out callous you're feeling, you know,

1854
01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:52,679
Speaker 1: like whether you're not you shoot the mule. The mule,

1855
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:56,200
Speaker 1: I know, the doctor goes on on foot and it's

1856
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:58,920
Speaker 1: too late to save Norman. Norman dies and then this

1857
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,599
Speaker 1: is going to shock you. It turns out that killing

1858
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:04,639
Speaker 1: uh Norman didn't help the case of the people who

1859
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:13,559
Speaker 1: were on trial. You'd think, right, but no, yeah, it

1860
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:14,120
Speaker 1: didn't help.

1861
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:15,599
Speaker 2: So at all.

1862
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:19,200
Speaker 1: Two of them get tried for one of the sheriff

1863
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:23,920
Speaker 1: killings and they're sentenced to hang. But meanwhile, wrote a

1864
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:28,679
Speaker 1: strong our jail brick, extraordinary wife smuggles an augur into

1865
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:31,519
Speaker 1: one of the three to three of the guys and

1866
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:34,320
Speaker 1: which is basically it's a drill bit with a handle

1867
01:30:34,360 --> 01:30:34,599
Speaker 1: on it.

1868
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:38,000
Speaker 2: That's how I was going to ask. So, yeah, just.

1869
01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 3: You know, I know what it is, but remind me

1870
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:43,520
Speaker 3: specypically and in detail.

1871
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:46,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, what's an augur? Yo say, I don't know what

1872
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:50,160
Speaker 6: it is? Yeah, No, that was the joke trying to make. Yeah, yeah,

1873
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 6: I mean I I put it in the script. I

1874
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:53,559
Speaker 6: was like, I describe it too right, because I hear

1875
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:55,040
Speaker 6: an Augur in an article and I'm like, well, what

1876
01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:55,439
Speaker 6: does that mean?

1877
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:58,200
Speaker 1: The fucking nineteenth century? Right, like like now it's a

1878
01:30:58,200 --> 01:30:59,920
Speaker 1: big gas power machine that I used to put in

1879
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:05,559
Speaker 1: fence posts. Oh, They're like, no, no, it's a jackhammer.

1880
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:08,599
Speaker 1: That's a that's for concrete thing. No, no, no, no.

1881
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:10,559
Speaker 1: I spend way too much my time think about power tools.

1882
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:12,880
Speaker 1: I live on a fucking such a city boy house

1883
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:13,439
Speaker 1: in the woods.

1884
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:14,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1885
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:17,200
Speaker 1: So, but in Augur in this case, it's like, it's

1886
01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:19,880
Speaker 1: a before you have a fucking power drill, you use

1887
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:23,519
Speaker 1: a hand drill. Right, So they they steal in a

1888
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:26,519
Speaker 1: they smuggle in a hand drill, and then they somehow

1889
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:29,040
Speaker 1: in this part I don't fucking get, they drill a

1890
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:32,200
Speaker 1: hole in the wall of they're selling escape Like I

1891
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:33,800
Speaker 1: don't know what they used to make jails out of.

1892
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:40,759
Speaker 3: I'm and I'm like, wait, and I got no guards? Hey,

1893
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:46,400
Speaker 3: you know anybody here that y'all like where y'all? Like what, okay,

1894
01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:47,360
Speaker 3: what tell.

1895
01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:48,479
Speaker 2: Me about y'all's prison system?

1896
01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:51,200
Speaker 3: And the thing is like it's not like I like,

1897
01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:54,559
Speaker 3: I'm here for it all, but I'm like, I mean,

1898
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:57,240
Speaker 3: yall ain't here.

1899
01:31:57,640 --> 01:32:00,519
Speaker 2: Yall ain't here to augur. Yeah, I ain't see that,

1900
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:01,400
Speaker 2: y'all ain't see the fire.

1901
01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:04,240
Speaker 3: Y'all ain't hear the man filing the You ain't walk

1902
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:06,519
Speaker 3: by the jail cell and go, hey, man, why you

1903
01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:10,000
Speaker 3: what are you rubbing rigorously on the bars?

1904
01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:13,120
Speaker 2: I didn't know.

1905
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:15,439
Speaker 3: And then the man that was like, you know what, man,

1906
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:17,280
Speaker 3: And then when Naomi was like, you know what, man,

1907
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:18,200
Speaker 3: fuck this, I'm leaving.

1908
01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:22,439
Speaker 2: That's gonna get better. That like y'all like, who are

1909
01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:24,479
Speaker 2: you hiring y'all?

1910
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:28,040
Speaker 3: This must be like look, look, look they hiring teenagers.

1911
01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:30,840
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying that like just won't like

1912
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:33,120
Speaker 3: a minimum wate job, and it's like, oh, fuck, you

1913
01:32:33,160 --> 01:32:34,960
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, just woole work at the mall.

1914
01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:37,599
Speaker 3: They hire people to work at GAP that are like, yeah,

1915
01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:41,439
Speaker 3: steal the sweats. I don't care, am I sweats?

1916
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:43,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what's happening here.

1917
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:48,479
Speaker 3: I don't pay me enough freaking mall cops like, steal

1918
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:49,400
Speaker 3: whatever person you want.

1919
01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:49,920
Speaker 2: I don't care.

1920
01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:54,080
Speaker 1: So so after this, after some of them break out,

1921
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:56,760
Speaker 1: they take the rest of them and they put them

1922
01:32:56,760 --> 01:32:57,519
Speaker 1: in a brick jail.

1923
01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 2: You know what, guys, I got some notes from last time.

1924
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:09,599
Speaker 3: Uh, we should go with brick because Homie just drilled

1925
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:12,320
Speaker 3: a hole through the wall last time, so we should

1926
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:15,320
Speaker 3: probably just do you all right, guys, all in favor

1927
01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:20,160
Speaker 3: of bricks, and maybe we shouldn't hire your fucking nephew, Jo.

1928
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:23,320
Speaker 3: I'm saying to watch them because that food must have

1929
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:25,679
Speaker 3: been drunk as hell or just don't care.

1930
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:28,920
Speaker 1: And you know what, it was harder for them to

1931
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:30,519
Speaker 1: break out of the brick prison, but they did it

1932
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 1: really quickly.

1933
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:34,840
Speaker 2: Anyway, let's go out.

1934
01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:39,320
Speaker 1: So this time, because this is a cartoon, Rona goes

1935
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:42,760
Speaker 1: in and seduces the guards. I fucking kid, you not

1936
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:45,439
Speaker 1: every out?

1937
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:50,599
Speaker 2: Yes, this is who framed Roger Rabbit.

1938
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:55,200
Speaker 3: Yeah this is yeah, he said, hey, you a big strong man.

1939
01:33:56,360 --> 01:33:59,320
Speaker 1: So she goes in and does this while and while

1940
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:02,080
Speaker 1: she's doing that, someone else goes to the window and

1941
01:34:02,120 --> 01:34:08,280
Speaker 1: smuggles them a hatchet, a file, and a chisel, which

1942
01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:12,519
Speaker 1: they then use to turn a spoon into a lock pick.

1943
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:17,679
Speaker 2: How much time you got, how much time you got?

1944
01:34:18,520 --> 01:34:24,080
Speaker 2: How fine is this girl? How much time you got.

1945
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:24,320
Speaker 4: To do that?

1946
01:34:24,640 --> 01:34:25,040
Speaker 2: Okay?

1947
01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:27,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, so then they now they can come and go

1948
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:29,600
Speaker 1: from their cell whenever they want because they got a

1949
01:34:29,640 --> 01:34:32,200
Speaker 1: lock pick. So they take their time. I assume at night,

1950
01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:34,479
Speaker 1: but I don't know. They take their time. They find

1951
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:38,559
Speaker 1: an outside wall and they slowly chisel through the outside wall.

1952
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:41,280
Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is hilarious.

1953
01:34:41,320 --> 01:34:45,640
Speaker 1: Whereupon they climb out on a rope made out of blankets.

1954
01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:51,719
Speaker 3: It's okay, you're Margaret, you're making this up, trolling me, Margaret.

1955
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:53,840
Speaker 1: I checked more than one history book about as much

1956
01:34:53,840 --> 01:34:55,080
Speaker 1: as the ship as I could.

1957
01:34:55,160 --> 01:34:55,759
Speaker 2: Because I'm.

1958
01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:02,840
Speaker 1: Like, okay, did you Yeah, some of this might have

1959
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:05,519
Speaker 1: gone into folklore. I'm reading this in history books. But

1960
01:35:05,560 --> 01:35:09,920
Speaker 1: these people are fucking They are absolutely mythologized like Robin Hood.

1961
01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:12,440
Speaker 2: Of course, so but still.

1962
01:35:12,360 --> 01:35:16,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, except one guy doesn't break out. He's in a

1963
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:18,680
Speaker 1: different cell and he's like, you know what, I have

1964
01:35:18,760 --> 01:35:22,679
Speaker 1: a solid alibi, which is true. So his employer vouched

1965
01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:24,599
Speaker 1: for his whereabouts and he was found innocent, and then

1966
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:27,759
Speaker 1: he like never joins the gang again and just fucks off,

1967
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:32,720
Speaker 1: and it's like lives a quiet life. But but so

1968
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:35,160
Speaker 1: the gang keeps up their raids during all this shit,

1969
01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:36,280
Speaker 1: even when people are in jail.

1970
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:41,360
Speaker 2: This is so great. I love this. I got an alibi. Ya,

1971
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:43,360
Speaker 2: y'all do I'm cool.

1972
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:46,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. I feel like that would be

1973
01:35:46,280 --> 01:35:48,519
Speaker 1: me and all this. You know, I'm just like, well

1974
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:51,200
Speaker 1: that was fun, but I almost got hanged.

1975
01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:53,000
Speaker 2: And I'm good. I'm good.

1976
01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:54,760
Speaker 1: I got stories to tell my grandchildren.

1977
01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:56,680
Speaker 2: I'm good. I did all right. I'll just you know,

1978
01:35:56,720 --> 01:35:58,559
Speaker 2: I'll just do it, y'all. Y'all, y'all, go ahead, just

1979
01:35:58,560 --> 01:35:59,800
Speaker 2: bring me back some of rio.

1980
01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:05,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay. So then they hire an undercover cop.

1981
01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:09,080
Speaker 1: They hire this guy named John Saunders, a detective out

1982
01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:12,040
Speaker 1: of Boston who showed up and pretended to be a

1983
01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:14,519
Speaker 1: Republican from the North, a white dude, and he starts

1984
01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:17,559
Speaker 1: hanging out in Scuffletown and eventually makes acquaintances with the

1985
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:20,240
Speaker 1: Lowries and basically he's like, hey, you all, I can

1986
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:22,439
Speaker 1: smuggle you out to safety because they're in all of this,

1987
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:25,280
Speaker 1: the Lowries are looking for they're out right, yeah, They're

1988
01:36:25,320 --> 01:36:27,519
Speaker 1: constantly like, how the fuck do we get out of

1989
01:36:27,520 --> 01:36:28,160
Speaker 1: this alive? Right?

1990
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:28,839
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1991
01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:33,160
Speaker 3: And he's fellow youths yeah, and so he's like, hey,

1992
01:36:33,280 --> 01:36:34,679
Speaker 3: just follow me west to safety.

1993
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:37,760
Speaker 1: But they don't quite trust him, so they keep an

1994
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:41,320
Speaker 1: eye on him and then they catch him. You know,

1995
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:44,679
Speaker 1: reporting back to his fucking other officers or whatever the fuck.

1996
01:36:44,600 --> 01:36:47,320
Speaker 3: Being a snitch. Yeah, they catch him being a snitch.

1997
01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:53,040
Speaker 3: Hey guys, you guys want some drugs around this corner. Yeah,

1998
01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:54,280
Speaker 3: you guys into drugs?

1999
01:36:54,720 --> 01:36:59,280
Speaker 2: Huh. You guys like smoking the smoking on the weed, huh.

2000
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:02,840
Speaker 3: Come over here. I got him. I'm a fellow kid. Yeah,

2001
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:03,879
Speaker 3: I'm a bandit.

2002
01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:06,439
Speaker 2: Hey, look at me. I'm a bandit from the North.

2003
01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:09,080
Speaker 2: I mean break it out of stuff.

2004
01:37:09,320 --> 01:37:16,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like vandalism, spray painting, some shit behind the

2005
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:18,840
Speaker 1: seven stupid spray painty.

2006
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:23,200
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, I got some spray paint. Yeah, totally. So

2007
01:37:23,240 --> 01:37:25,559
Speaker 2: they fucking catch you, right, of course.

2008
01:37:25,720 --> 01:37:29,080
Speaker 1: And they so they catch him, and they're like not

2009
01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:30,920
Speaker 1: really into the cold blood and murder thing, but this

2010
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:33,800
Speaker 1: guy knows too much. And so here's where they put

2011
01:37:33,800 --> 01:37:37,000
Speaker 1: it to a vote, and they vote to kill him.

2012
01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:37,679
Speaker 2: Okay.

2013
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:39,479
Speaker 1: They let him write a letter to his wife. They

2014
01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:43,320
Speaker 1: send a photograph of him and his last letter up

2015
01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:46,400
Speaker 1: to his wife, and then they I think they shoot him.

2016
01:37:46,479 --> 01:37:48,000
Speaker 2: Maybe they hang him, I don't know.

2017
01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:50,640
Speaker 1: And at this point they're kind of just winning, Like

2018
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:53,960
Speaker 1: it's eighteen seventy. All the county's best law enforcement are

2019
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:56,920
Speaker 1: fucking dead. The police spy is dead, and all of

2020
01:37:56,960 --> 01:37:59,920
Speaker 1: the lowries who've been captured have escaped. So they call

2021
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:03,439
Speaker 1: and federal troops. At this point, the whole fucking army

2022
01:38:03,479 --> 01:38:10,799
Speaker 1: comes in, Federal troops, and so militias also start combing

2023
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:14,080
Speaker 1: the swamps for the outlaws. And then again, because this

2024
01:38:14,200 --> 01:38:16,640
Speaker 1: is the most cartoon thing I've ever fucking relayed the

2025
01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:19,640
Speaker 1: story of when the militia's out hunting for them in

2026
01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:22,599
Speaker 1: the swamps, some of the lowries put on militia uniforms

2027
01:38:22,600 --> 01:38:24,120
Speaker 1: and joined the hunt for themselves.

2028
01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:28,640
Speaker 2: Now now it's bugs. Now it's looney tunes. Now it's bugs, bunny.

2029
01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:32,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, like yes, And what they what they found in

2030
01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:38,040
Speaker 1: the swamps instead was potatoes, the finest potatoes that money

2031
01:38:38,040 --> 01:38:41,360
Speaker 1: can buy, much like the potatoes that we advertise on

2032
01:38:41,439 --> 01:38:41,880
Speaker 1: this show.

2033
01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:43,760
Speaker 2: Swamp potatoes.

2034
01:38:43,960 --> 01:38:46,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's nothing like it.

2035
01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:48,639
Speaker 1: This is a break to some ads, and now here

2036
01:38:48,640 --> 01:38:52,040
Speaker 1: are some ads, all right, and we're back and we're

2037
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:54,560
Speaker 1: talking about swamp fries apparently.

2038
01:38:54,600 --> 01:38:55,679
Speaker 2: Which are gator tots.

2039
01:38:55,960 --> 01:39:00,400
Speaker 1: Yes, And so the militias in the air, ye're looking

2040
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:01,720
Speaker 1: for them as well as the federal troops. And the

2041
01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:04,000
Speaker 1: militia is just fucking made up of KKK as far

2042
01:39:04,040 --> 01:39:07,080
Speaker 1: as I can tell, and they, you'll be shocked to know,

2043
01:39:07,200 --> 01:39:08,920
Speaker 1: gave up on the whole rule of law thing, and

2044
01:39:08,920 --> 01:39:12,400
Speaker 1: so they just started going to the Yeah, they go

2045
01:39:12,439 --> 01:39:14,640
Speaker 1: to the lowry residents and they try to capture and

2046
01:39:14,720 --> 01:39:16,920
Speaker 1: murder murder them, and they kill at least one of

2047
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:21,759
Speaker 1: them this way. However, the KKK leader responsible, John Taylor,

2048
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:25,479
Speaker 1: also developed a case of too many bullets and dies.

2049
01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:29,120
Speaker 1: But then so then the militia is like, all right,

2050
01:39:29,160 --> 01:39:33,519
Speaker 1: we're going after your supporters, and so they murder a

2051
01:39:33,520 --> 01:39:35,960
Speaker 1: black man who was supporting them, and two of the

2052
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:38,080
Speaker 1: white men responsible for killing that black man were then

2053
01:39:38,120 --> 01:39:42,559
Speaker 1: immediately killed by the lowries. And then the Conservatives come

2054
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:44,680
Speaker 1: to power. The Republicans, they kind of lost all their

2055
01:39:44,720 --> 01:39:46,680
Speaker 1: wealthy support because they didn't catch the lowries, and then

2056
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:48,599
Speaker 1: they lost all their working class support because they were

2057
01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:51,600
Speaker 1: going after the lowries in the first place. And the

2058
01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:55,200
Speaker 1: KKK is riding around fucking intimidating voters and being regular

2059
01:39:55,200 --> 01:39:56,280
Speaker 1: worse things that's ever happened.

2060
01:39:56,360 --> 01:40:00,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, they had their moment, Yeah, their moment of

2061
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:05,800
Speaker 3: shining where and it's like, we should probably end shadow slavery.

2062
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:08,080
Speaker 2: They just haven't clocked a w since.

2063
01:40:08,040 --> 01:40:12,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, God, So the Conservatives put a bounty of

2064
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:14,879
Speaker 1: twelve thousand dollars on the heads of each of the Lowries.

2065
01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:18,000
Speaker 1: So the Loweryes then put bounties back on the county

2066
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:21,240
Speaker 1: commissioner and a bunch of the other folks working. They

2067
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:24,400
Speaker 1: don't have as much money, so because they only offer

2068
01:40:24,400 --> 01:40:26,519
Speaker 1: a thousand dollars, the county commissioner two hundred for a

2069
01:40:26,520 --> 01:40:31,040
Speaker 1: bunch of the people working for him. But then racists

2070
01:40:31,080 --> 01:40:33,880
Speaker 1: from all around come to Robison County and they're looking

2071
01:40:33,880 --> 01:40:37,519
Speaker 1: for the bounty money. Right one Lowry gang member named

2072
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:40,200
Speaker 1: apple White is ambush near his house. He's shot in

2073
01:40:40,240 --> 01:40:42,519
Speaker 1: the back and then in the mouth, But then the

2074
01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:44,960
Speaker 1: posse that shoots him is afraid that he has friends around,

2075
01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:46,880
Speaker 1: so they take off running and they plan to come

2076
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:49,240
Speaker 1: back later for the body. When they come back, apple

2077
01:40:49,240 --> 01:40:53,120
Speaker 1: White he's gone, and so they they harass his wife.

2078
01:40:53,120 --> 01:40:56,120
Speaker 1: They arrest his brother for no good reason. A few

2079
01:40:56,160 --> 01:40:59,000
Speaker 1: days later, another posse finds Henry Lowry's cabin in the

2080
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:01,280
Speaker 1: swamps and they creep up on it and there's apple

2081
01:41:01,320 --> 01:41:04,040
Speaker 1: White and he he had crawled away, spit the bullet

2082
01:41:04,040 --> 01:41:05,760
Speaker 1: out of his mouth and was resting in the sun

2083
01:41:05,800 --> 01:41:06,719
Speaker 1: at the Lowry's house.

2084
01:41:07,720 --> 01:41:11,920
Speaker 4: What, yeah, this really is a movie?

2085
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:19,200
Speaker 2: I know, why is it not one? Yeah? Well raises

2086
01:41:19,240 --> 01:41:21,719
Speaker 2: it mostly? Oh well yeah, but well.

2087
01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:25,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh my man caught the bullet with his two

2088
01:41:25,840 --> 01:41:26,479
Speaker 3: front teeth.

2089
01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:30,200
Speaker 2: Okay, spits out the bullet keeps going. It's the bullet out.

2090
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:34,439
Speaker 3: Hey, seriously, if you shoot at somebody and they spit

2091
01:41:34,520 --> 01:41:37,080
Speaker 3: the bullet out, the fight's over.

2092
01:41:37,479 --> 01:41:43,600
Speaker 2: It's done. Lead that person today own devices.

2093
01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:46,240
Speaker 1: Oh my god, one time, one day, I'm gonna tell

2094
01:41:46,240 --> 01:41:48,439
Speaker 1: the story of al Fusilado and the Mexican in the

2095
01:41:48,479 --> 01:41:50,760
Speaker 1: Mexican Revolution. This guy gets put in front of a

2096
01:41:50,760 --> 01:41:53,840
Speaker 1: firing squad and shot with like thirteen bullets or whatever,

2097
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:56,280
Speaker 1: and he doesn't die. So the officer comes up, puts

2098
01:41:56,280 --> 01:41:57,519
Speaker 1: a gun to his head and shoots him in the

2099
01:41:57,520 --> 01:42:00,519
Speaker 1: head and he doesn't die. And so so then they're like,

2100
01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:06,559
Speaker 1: you know what, you can go like, we shot you

2101
01:42:06,600 --> 01:42:08,799
Speaker 1: in the fucking head and twelve times in the body.

2102
01:42:09,720 --> 01:42:13,120
Speaker 2: I don't know what to say anymore. Guys. Yeah, look, listen,

2103
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:14,759
Speaker 2: let me tell you something.

2104
01:42:15,280 --> 01:42:17,679
Speaker 3: Your little politics I talk all the time about, Like listen,

2105
01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:19,800
Speaker 3: if you if you you know is the rule? If

2106
01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:23,160
Speaker 3: you're about to get jumped, you know, which hopefully this

2107
01:42:23,240 --> 01:42:26,479
Speaker 3: doesn't happen to anybody. And one, we're full grown adults now,

2108
01:42:26,520 --> 01:42:29,920
Speaker 3: so this is stupid. But if you were, it's like,

2109
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:35,759
Speaker 3: you have to like lose your mind on the toughest

2110
01:42:35,880 --> 01:42:38,160
Speaker 3: of them. Whoever toughest is or the loudest is in

2111
01:42:38,200 --> 01:42:40,559
Speaker 3: that group, you got to lose your mind on them

2112
01:42:40,880 --> 01:42:43,639
Speaker 3: so that everybody else thinks twice, right.

2113
01:42:43,560 --> 01:42:45,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, la, yeah, you know what I'm saying.

2114
01:42:45,640 --> 01:42:47,760
Speaker 3: So that like, and that gives you that split second

2115
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:51,000
Speaker 3: because they're like, oh, dang, he just punched that. She

2116
01:42:51,240 --> 01:42:55,160
Speaker 3: just punched the baddest of all of us. Okay, we

2117
01:42:55,200 --> 01:42:57,800
Speaker 3: should probably like, yo, let's think twice about this. So

2118
01:42:58,120 --> 01:43:00,240
Speaker 3: and it's the same as the other way around. Somebody

2119
01:43:00,320 --> 01:43:03,799
Speaker 3: bought a fist up, caught their arm back and fire

2120
01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:07,000
Speaker 3: on you and you just take it. Yeah, then then

2121
01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:11,200
Speaker 3: it's time then yeah yeah, like that food that your

2122
01:43:11,320 --> 01:43:12,599
Speaker 3: jaws steal.

2123
01:43:12,840 --> 01:43:14,240
Speaker 2: So lead this person alone.

2124
01:43:14,320 --> 01:43:16,360
Speaker 1: That's what I used to do. I was like when

2125
01:43:16,400 --> 01:43:18,840
Speaker 1: I was more of a street kid. Someone who's drunk

2126
01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:21,439
Speaker 1: and looking for a fight punches you, and it sounds

2127
01:43:21,520 --> 01:43:24,120
Speaker 1: kind of counterintuitive. It's not like someone punches and you're

2128
01:43:24,120 --> 01:43:25,880
Speaker 1: like oh no, I'm so sorry. I wish you hadn't

2129
01:43:25,880 --> 01:43:27,599
Speaker 1: punched me. But instead someone punches and you just stare

2130
01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:31,559
Speaker 1: at them. Yes, then they go find someone else to fight. Now,

2131
01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:35,080
Speaker 1: if someone's trying to fuck you up, that don't work, right,

2132
01:43:35,120 --> 01:43:37,360
Speaker 1: But like yeah, if someone's looking for a fight and

2133
01:43:37,400 --> 01:43:39,439
Speaker 1: they punch you and you just stare them down, they

2134
01:43:39,479 --> 01:43:42,760
Speaker 1: fuck usually fuck off, yeah, because they're just.

2135
01:43:42,720 --> 01:43:46,040
Speaker 3: Like, ah, that just gave you everything I had, Yeah,

2136
01:43:46,479 --> 01:43:47,080
Speaker 3: and that was it?

2137
01:43:47,160 --> 01:43:49,240
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah yeah, and you just you just take it

2138
01:43:49,400 --> 01:43:50,920
Speaker 6: just like Yeah.

2139
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:53,800
Speaker 1: It's a hard it's a hard math to figure out though, right,

2140
01:43:54,040 --> 01:43:54,720
Speaker 1: it really is.

2141
01:43:55,080 --> 01:43:57,439
Speaker 2: It really is unless you're a fighter.

2142
01:43:57,760 --> 01:44:00,800
Speaker 3: Like if you're a fighter and somebody to your best

2143
01:44:00,840 --> 01:44:04,320
Speaker 3: punch and just drank it, yeah, then you like, oh

2144
01:44:04,520 --> 01:44:06,160
Speaker 3: yeah that's it.

2145
01:44:06,320 --> 01:44:08,080
Speaker 2: Let me go ahead, because I don't know what your swing.

2146
01:44:08,120 --> 01:44:09,200
Speaker 2: Don't feel like anyway?

2147
01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:13,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. So yeah, a man that takes a firing squad

2148
01:44:13,160 --> 01:44:15,639
Speaker 3: and a point blank and just looks at you like y'all,

2149
01:44:17,680 --> 01:44:20,759
Speaker 3: y'all good, like we done here? Yeah?

2150
01:44:20,800 --> 01:44:21,920
Speaker 2: Are we done?

2151
01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:22,320
Speaker 1: All? Right?

2152
01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:23,080
Speaker 2: Them out?

2153
01:44:23,160 --> 01:44:24,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he just lives the rest of his life.

2154
01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:26,439
Speaker 1: I can't remember what work he got up to. It's

2155
01:44:26,439 --> 01:44:29,040
Speaker 1: been a while since I read his story. But all right,

2156
01:44:29,080 --> 01:44:32,840
Speaker 1: So they show up at Henry Lowery's cabin. There's fucking

2157
01:44:33,200 --> 01:44:35,759
Speaker 1: bullet spinner apple White, and they get into a gunfight,

2158
01:44:36,040 --> 01:44:38,559
Speaker 1: and then the gunfight goes on for a while, like

2159
01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:40,640
Speaker 1: from inside the cabin, outside the cabin, and then all

2160
01:44:40,680 --> 01:44:42,759
Speaker 1: the shooting stops. So they run up on the cabin

2161
01:44:43,080 --> 01:44:44,920
Speaker 1: and they break in and there's a hidden hatch in

2162
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:47,160
Speaker 1: the basement of a fucking cabin that leads to a

2163
01:44:47,160 --> 01:44:50,080
Speaker 1: tunnel that goes sixty three through the fucking swamps. And

2164
01:44:50,080 --> 01:44:53,280
Speaker 1: they've gotten the fuck out brilliant, which is an important thing.

2165
01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:54,800
Speaker 1: If you're gonna be a bandit gang, you need a

2166
01:44:54,800 --> 01:44:56,000
Speaker 1: fucking tunnel under your house.

2167
01:44:56,120 --> 01:44:58,840
Speaker 3: You need a tunnel dog. Come on, man, Yeah, that's

2168
01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:01,839
Speaker 3: a no brainer. And you and nim swamps don't nobody

2169
01:45:01,880 --> 01:45:04,040
Speaker 3: know where you like, You can't navigate swamp, you can't

2170
01:45:04,040 --> 01:45:04,799
Speaker 3: map swamps.

2171
01:45:05,120 --> 01:45:06,559
Speaker 2: You have to just be. You have to just be

2172
01:45:06,640 --> 01:45:07,080
Speaker 2: from there.

2173
01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:10,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is I mean, I didn't even get into

2174
01:45:10,080 --> 01:45:12,560
Speaker 1: the Maroons during the last episode one day or a

2175
01:45:12,560 --> 01:45:15,160
Speaker 1: whole thing about them. But yeah, people, if you know

2176
01:45:15,160 --> 01:45:16,840
Speaker 1: the swamps, you can fucking do a lot of shit.

2177
01:45:17,560 --> 01:45:18,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2178
01:45:18,520 --> 01:45:20,760
Speaker 1: So okay, so they get away, right, But at this

2179
01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:23,160
Speaker 1: point two of their people are in jail, one member

2180
01:45:23,160 --> 01:45:25,680
Speaker 1: of their gang and then one of their supporters that

2181
01:45:26,080 --> 01:45:29,000
Speaker 1: the brother, right, and they're like, well, this isn't going

2182
01:45:29,080 --> 01:45:32,120
Speaker 1: to do. So a whole bunch of them show up

2183
01:45:32,240 --> 01:45:34,400
Speaker 1: armed at the jail and they just hold up the

2184
01:45:34,479 --> 01:45:37,439
Speaker 1: jail at gunpoint and they're like, hey, let our friends go,

2185
01:45:38,600 --> 01:45:39,080
Speaker 1: and they do.

2186
01:45:40,160 --> 01:45:44,080
Speaker 3: Yes, because it's fifteen year olds that are good in prison.

2187
01:45:43,960 --> 01:45:46,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and fifteen year olds with guns on the outside too.

2188
01:45:46,760 --> 01:45:48,560
Speaker 3: To be real, you know, oh yeah, I forgot the

2189
01:45:48,680 --> 01:45:52,799
Speaker 3: only I forgot. Everything happens. You've already ran for president

2190
01:45:52,880 --> 01:45:53,880
Speaker 3: at nine.

2191
01:45:53,640 --> 01:45:54,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

2192
01:45:54,120 --> 01:45:57,800
Speaker 1: Nineteenth century, Yes, Lincoln was actually fourteen. He just looks

2193
01:45:57,800 --> 01:46:01,839
Speaker 1: real sport, just the haggard fourteen.

2194
01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:04,360
Speaker 3: It was just a really hard life out there, man,

2195
01:46:04,840 --> 01:46:07,760
Speaker 3: he's real, really fourteen yeah yeah.

2196
01:46:08,080 --> 01:46:12,479
Speaker 1: So basically the entire community is ungovernable at this point, right, yes,

2197
01:46:12,720 --> 01:46:15,280
Speaker 1: And taxes weren't able to be collected in the area,

2198
01:46:15,400 --> 01:46:19,280
Speaker 1: No warrants were being served in the area. Black train

2199
01:46:19,360 --> 01:46:21,800
Speaker 1: hands were sending warnings down the line whatever troops were

2200
01:46:21,800 --> 01:46:26,200
Speaker 1: approaching by rail, and so the Conservative government by eighteen

2201
01:46:26,280 --> 01:46:28,479
Speaker 1: seventy one, they give up trying to target the gang,

2202
01:46:28,520 --> 01:46:31,240
Speaker 1: and they just start terrorizing the entire community. And they

2203
01:46:31,240 --> 01:46:34,719
Speaker 1: start arresting familiar Yeah, and they started arresting Lumbey women

2204
01:46:34,760 --> 01:46:38,600
Speaker 1: in their homes and they basically are like, well, you know,

2205
01:46:38,640 --> 01:46:42,519
Speaker 1: these people are involved too or whatever. So and during

2206
01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:44,679
Speaker 1: all of this, again this is a story I read

2207
01:46:44,680 --> 01:46:47,760
Speaker 1: from one or two historians, but again it's CARTOONI as shit,

2208
01:46:47,840 --> 01:46:51,280
Speaker 1: But this is the story. Yeah, during all this, some

2209
01:46:51,320 --> 01:46:54,320
Speaker 1: soldiers stumble upon Henry and he's like rowing down the river,

2210
01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:57,200
Speaker 1: so they open fire on him, so he dives into

2211
01:46:57,200 --> 01:46:59,559
Speaker 1: the water. He overturns his boat as cover, and then

2212
01:46:59,600 --> 01:47:01,760
Speaker 1: instead of running away, he advances on them and then

2213
01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:03,920
Speaker 1: picks them off one by one until they all fuck

2214
01:47:03,960 --> 01:47:04,559
Speaker 1: off and run.

2215
01:47:04,800 --> 01:47:08,960
Speaker 2: And now it's now it's Rambo. Okay, yeah, now it's Rambo.

2216
01:47:09,760 --> 01:47:12,320
Speaker 3: Now he's Jean Claude Vand now this is the Steven

2217
01:47:12,360 --> 01:47:13,080
Speaker 3: Sagall movie.

2218
01:47:13,200 --> 01:47:16,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, and I believe it.

2219
01:47:17,240 --> 01:47:19,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I know right like it's it's it's

2220
01:47:19,520 --> 01:47:22,759
Speaker 3: fucking because the tropes come from somewhere.

2221
01:47:23,120 --> 01:47:27,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because tropes come from somewhere. Yeah. So you like, okay,

2222
01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:29,560
Speaker 2: that's incredible. Yeah.

2223
01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:32,840
Speaker 1: And so then they send the sheriff a letter, and

2224
01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:35,640
Speaker 1: they say, we make a request that our wives, who

2225
01:47:35,640 --> 01:47:37,639
Speaker 1: are arrested a few days ago and placed in jail

2226
01:47:37,760 --> 01:47:40,400
Speaker 1: be released to come home to their families by Monday morning,

2227
01:47:40,720 --> 01:47:43,000
Speaker 1: and if not, the bloodiest times will be here that

2228
01:47:43,080 --> 01:47:45,760
Speaker 1: ever was before. The life of every man will be

2229
01:47:45,800 --> 01:47:52,240
Speaker 1: in jeopardy. That is the most polite. Oh my, I

2230
01:47:52,680 --> 01:47:55,000
Speaker 1: love how polite these people were back there.

2231
01:47:55,320 --> 01:47:59,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, like, now, prop prop did they release them or

2232
01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:00,479
Speaker 4: did they not release them?

2233
01:48:00,960 --> 01:48:07,400
Speaker 2: Of course they released it. Of course they did. Somebody

2234
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:09,960
Speaker 2: somebody that somebody that dangerous. That calm.

2235
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:13,360
Speaker 3: That's another thing. Somebody that that's dangerous and that calm.

2236
01:48:13,400 --> 01:48:16,880
Speaker 3: You know, Okay, you know something I don't because you're

2237
01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:18,040
Speaker 3: suposed to come up in here.

2238
01:48:18,040 --> 01:48:22,759
Speaker 2: Being like listen, listen, I don't see my ladies by tonight.

2239
01:48:23,400 --> 01:48:27,120
Speaker 2: I'm murdering. I'm gonna kill your fucking parakeets too.

2240
01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:33,760
Speaker 3: Everybody dying. Everybody, everyone's dying. I'm taking a train. I'm

2241
01:48:33,840 --> 01:48:36,160
Speaker 3: taking a train to Tennessee, and I'm finding your grandma.

2242
01:48:37,120 --> 01:48:40,040
Speaker 3: I'm murdering. Where your ma mistake? Where your grandma mistay?

2243
01:48:40,200 --> 01:48:44,719
Speaker 3: Where your homeboys stay? Everybody dying? That's how you posted

2244
01:48:44,720 --> 01:48:44,960
Speaker 3: to talk.

2245
01:48:45,040 --> 01:48:46,439
Speaker 2: He's like, you know, this is gonna be a really

2246
01:48:46,479 --> 01:48:48,400
Speaker 2: hard day for everybody.

2247
01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:52,400
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just saying, all the men are in

2248
01:48:52,520 --> 01:48:54,599
Speaker 3: danger if you don't give us our ladies back.

2249
01:48:54,880 --> 01:49:01,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, And so it works, and of course, but

2250
01:49:01,120 --> 01:49:04,760
Speaker 1: they can't actually as as fucking hard as they are

2251
01:49:04,840 --> 01:49:06,639
Speaker 1: and as much as they rule, they can't actually get

2252
01:49:06,680 --> 01:49:09,120
Speaker 1: up keep up their antics with federal troops everywhere, right, Like,

2253
01:49:09,120 --> 01:49:10,880
Speaker 1: they're not doing a lot of robbery at this point,

2254
01:49:11,160 --> 01:49:14,320
Speaker 1: but they do apparently get up some good shenanigans. And again, okay,

2255
01:49:14,320 --> 01:49:17,519
Speaker 1: this is reported by the William Williamton Star at the time,

2256
01:49:17,560 --> 01:49:21,280
Speaker 1: a newspaper at the time. Okay, an officer received a

2257
01:49:21,320 --> 01:49:26,120
Speaker 1: note from Lowry that said, and I'm paraphrasing here, just

2258
01:49:26,120 --> 01:49:28,320
Speaker 1: to make sure y'all were doing okay, I took it

2259
01:49:28,400 --> 01:49:31,160
Speaker 1: upon myself to come into your your camp and inspect

2260
01:49:31,160 --> 01:49:35,200
Speaker 1: your guns. And so then they they searched their guns,

2261
01:49:35,960 --> 01:49:39,320
Speaker 1: and Henry Lowry has signed his name on one of

2262
01:49:39,320 --> 01:49:44,640
Speaker 1: the fucking guns these dub And again, I don't know

2263
01:49:44,680 --> 01:49:46,080
Speaker 1: what the fuck is truth or myth here, but this

2264
01:49:46,120 --> 01:49:47,880
Speaker 1: is what's being reported at the time, this is what's

2265
01:49:47,880 --> 01:49:51,160
Speaker 1: being reported in the history books. I'm just yeah, these

2266
01:49:51,160 --> 01:49:52,000
Speaker 1: people fucking.

2267
01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:56,320
Speaker 2: Rule, even if it's myth it's so great. Yeah, this

2268
01:49:56,360 --> 01:49:56,840
Speaker 2: is great.

2269
01:49:57,000 --> 01:49:59,760
Speaker 3: This is great mythology, even if it is myth Yeah,

2270
01:49:59,800 --> 01:50:03,200
Speaker 3: and wonderful at least some huge chunk of it.

2271
01:50:03,240 --> 01:50:04,720
Speaker 2: I mean again, I don't fucking know, you know.

2272
01:50:05,320 --> 01:50:09,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, And so both both sides actually want this

2273
01:50:09,479 --> 01:50:11,160
Speaker 1: to end at this point, and so there's this brief

2274
01:50:11,200 --> 01:50:14,560
Speaker 1: truce and then some of the like wiser heads in

2275
01:50:14,600 --> 01:50:16,160
Speaker 1: the government are like, hey, why don't we just give

2276
01:50:16,200 --> 01:50:19,839
Speaker 1: them all pardons and then this could all fucking go away. Yeah,

2277
01:50:19,840 --> 01:50:22,479
Speaker 1: But the law and order crowd is like, hell no,

2278
01:50:22,720 --> 01:50:24,240
Speaker 1: And so the truce disappears.

2279
01:50:24,920 --> 01:50:25,400
Speaker 2: Wow.

2280
01:50:25,439 --> 01:50:30,080
Speaker 1: So the Lowry's rob one thousand dollars from a merchant

2281
01:50:30,120 --> 01:50:32,680
Speaker 1: in town, and then they steal the iron safe out

2282
01:50:32,720 --> 01:50:35,640
Speaker 1: of the sheriff's office with twenty two thousand dollars inside.

2283
01:50:36,520 --> 01:50:38,439
Speaker 2: Another cartoon moment, all right.

2284
01:50:38,280 --> 01:50:42,760
Speaker 1: And then Henry Lowry just fucking disappears.

2285
01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:44,519
Speaker 2: Gone. Yeah in the wind.

2286
01:50:44,920 --> 01:50:47,439
Speaker 1: Bounty hunters combed the area for the next two years.

2287
01:50:47,439 --> 01:50:49,160
Speaker 1: They kill at least three of the gang during all

2288
01:50:49,200 --> 01:50:52,320
Speaker 1: of us. One of them this one of the Scott's

2289
01:50:52,360 --> 01:50:56,600
Speaker 1: Irish members, Zachariah McLaughlin. He got to drinking with some

2290
01:50:56,640 --> 01:50:58,040
Speaker 1: other white guy, and he told him like, hey, you

2291
01:50:58,040 --> 01:51:00,400
Speaker 1: should join this gang. And then the white guy for

2292
01:51:00,600 --> 01:51:02,360
Speaker 1: Zack to fall asleep, shot him in the head with

2293
01:51:02,400 --> 01:51:05,320
Speaker 1: his own pistol and turned his body in for the bounty.

2294
01:51:06,400 --> 01:51:09,200
Speaker 1: And then that dude got the fuck out of Robinson County.

2295
01:51:10,040 --> 01:51:12,360
Speaker 3: Yes, I was gonna say, like, you're gonna turn You're

2296
01:51:12,400 --> 01:51:14,680
Speaker 3: gonna turn in somebody that's like a gangster like that

2297
01:51:14,840 --> 01:51:17,400
Speaker 3: dude put the money, you bet it disappear. You better

2298
01:51:17,400 --> 01:51:20,599
Speaker 3: get to Canada real soon. Yeah, because get your money,

2299
01:51:20,640 --> 01:51:22,240
Speaker 3: get up out of here, which I kind of feel

2300
01:51:22,280 --> 01:51:24,400
Speaker 3: like that's what Lowry did twenty two thousand.

2301
01:51:25,080 --> 01:51:26,879
Speaker 2: Yeah. Man, he in France, homie.

2302
01:51:27,320 --> 01:51:31,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's fucking He's gone. And then to quote the

2303
01:51:31,800 --> 01:51:34,799
Speaker 1: historians I was quoting earlier, Neil Shirley and sarahly Stafford.

2304
01:51:34,840 --> 01:51:37,520
Speaker 1: They have a book called Dixie b Damned about rebellions

2305
01:51:37,560 --> 01:51:40,720
Speaker 1: in the South, and they sum up the theories with

2306
01:51:40,760 --> 01:51:43,680
Speaker 1: this quote or this is a quote I'm summing up

2307
01:51:43,680 --> 01:51:47,439
Speaker 1: with theories. A variety of folk tales, legends, and hypotheses exist,

2308
01:51:47,600 --> 01:51:50,640
Speaker 1: some supported by more evidence than others, but all inconclusive.

2309
01:51:51,040 --> 01:51:54,040
Speaker 1: That Lowry escaped the county undercover as an injured soldier

2310
01:51:54,040 --> 01:51:56,479
Speaker 1: with the help of a sympathetic general, that he faked

2311
01:51:56,479 --> 01:51:59,160
Speaker 1: his own death and funeral with a straw stuffed corpse,

2312
01:51:59,439 --> 01:52:03,320
Speaker 1: later a skin from the country in a stolen military uniform,

2313
01:52:03,800 --> 01:52:06,479
Speaker 1: that he escaped by train in his own coffin, that

2314
01:52:06,560 --> 01:52:08,960
Speaker 1: he survived his endeavors and emerged under a different name

2315
01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:11,360
Speaker 1: as a leader of native resistance in the Pacific Northwest.

2316
01:52:11,400 --> 01:52:13,960
Speaker 1: A few years later, that he died on his brother's

2317
01:52:14,040 --> 01:52:18,599
Speaker 1: Tom's land by accidental discharge of his rifle, secretly buried

2318
01:52:18,600 --> 01:52:21,080
Speaker 1: by his comrades to continue the legend and rebellion and

2319
01:52:21,120 --> 01:52:25,599
Speaker 1: symbolic status. Local newspapers tended to prefer the accidental death story,

2320
01:52:25,680 --> 01:52:28,320
Speaker 1: but their papers also had a political interest in undermining

2321
01:52:28,360 --> 01:52:31,280
Speaker 1: the legend of the man. What's more, neither the body

2322
01:52:31,360 --> 01:52:33,720
Speaker 1: nor the grave site of Henry Barry Lowry has ever

2323
01:52:33,760 --> 01:52:34,280
Speaker 1: been found.

2324
01:52:36,400 --> 01:52:41,400
Speaker 2: I loved so. Yeah you think he's in France?

2325
01:52:42,720 --> 01:52:45,519
Speaker 3: Nah? I think, yeah, headed to the Northwest. I could

2326
01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:50,200
Speaker 3: see that and being like, look, we was able to

2327
01:52:50,240 --> 01:52:53,000
Speaker 3: do this down here. Yeah, I'll bet you we could

2328
01:52:53,000 --> 01:52:55,120
Speaker 3: pull this off if they think I'll go And then again,

2329
01:52:55,200 --> 01:52:58,080
Speaker 3: I'm just like, if you got that much money, yeah, yeah,

2330
01:52:58,120 --> 01:53:01,080
Speaker 3: you out. Yeah, Like I'm out. What I did, My

2331
01:53:01,120 --> 01:53:03,200
Speaker 3: work here is done. I'm out, Yeah, totally.

2332
01:53:03,200 --> 01:53:05,040
Speaker 2: Ann ain't an you ain't.

2333
01:53:04,840 --> 01:53:07,959
Speaker 3: Fighting federal soldiers, you know what I'm saying. And y'all gangsters.

2334
01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:11,800
Speaker 3: So it's like, you know, you look, we'd have done y'all.

2335
01:53:11,880 --> 01:53:14,720
Speaker 3: Look y'all get y'all. Y'all got y'all thousand dollars. Y'all

2336
01:53:14,800 --> 01:53:16,360
Speaker 3: need to get the fuck out the city too. Like

2337
01:53:16,479 --> 01:53:18,599
Speaker 3: you don't need me to tell you, y'all get y'all

2338
01:53:18,680 --> 01:53:19,799
Speaker 3: go for I got mine.

2339
01:53:19,600 --> 01:53:21,800
Speaker 2: You go get yours. Yeah, I'm out. Yeah, you know

2340
01:53:21,800 --> 01:53:24,639
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Totally. Yeah.

2341
01:53:24,680 --> 01:53:28,160
Speaker 1: So there's there's one more story in all this. It

2342
01:53:28,240 --> 01:53:32,120
Speaker 1: happens in Robison County with the Lumbee and fighting against

2343
01:53:32,200 --> 01:53:32,800
Speaker 1: racist and shit.

2344
01:53:32,880 --> 01:53:33,280
Speaker 2: That's worth it.

2345
01:53:33,280 --> 01:53:35,280
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a million more stories we're telling. This

2346
01:53:35,360 --> 01:53:37,639
Speaker 1: is the other one that looms large in a lot

2347
01:53:37,640 --> 01:53:40,200
Speaker 1: of this history, and this is the Battle of Hayes Pond.

2348
01:53:41,120 --> 01:53:43,599
Speaker 1: It's like one hundred fucking years later, it's nineteen fifty

2349
01:53:43,640 --> 01:53:46,559
Speaker 1: eight and the Lumbee were targeted by the KKK. On

2350
01:53:46,680 --> 01:53:49,559
Speaker 1: January thirteenth. The clan burned two crosses, one in the

2351
01:53:49,600 --> 01:53:52,040
Speaker 1: yard of a Lumbe family who'd moved into a white neighborhood,

2352
01:53:52,240 --> 01:53:53,960
Speaker 1: and one on the yard of a white woman who

2353
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:57,160
Speaker 1: is believed to be sleeping with a Lumbee man, a

2354
01:53:57,200 --> 01:54:00,240
Speaker 1: South Carolina grand dragon or wizard or and to whatever

2355
01:54:00,280 --> 01:54:01,760
Speaker 1: D and D shit they named themselves.

2356
01:54:02,120 --> 01:54:05,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, just yeah, anyway, Yeah.

2357
01:54:05,080 --> 01:54:10,720
Speaker 1: His name is fucking James Catfish Coal and oh my god, yeah,

2358
01:54:10,840 --> 01:54:13,840
Speaker 1: oh my god, these guys, I know, like, you name

2359
01:54:13,880 --> 01:54:15,680
Speaker 1: yourself a wizard and a catfish, I'm supposed to take

2360
01:54:15,680 --> 01:54:16,080
Speaker 1: you serious.

2361
01:54:16,200 --> 01:54:17,759
Speaker 2: I'm just unpleased to take you serious.

2362
01:54:17,880 --> 01:54:20,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so he decides he's gonna throw a big

2363
01:54:20,880 --> 01:54:23,840
Speaker 1: old clan rally to end all the race mixing, and

2364
01:54:23,920 --> 01:54:26,280
Speaker 1: he tries to run a field near town, but everyone's

2365
01:54:26,280 --> 01:54:28,400
Speaker 1: like fuck you. So eventually he finds a place to

2366
01:54:28,439 --> 01:54:30,280
Speaker 1: have their rally further out of town, like ten miles

2367
01:54:30,320 --> 01:54:33,320
Speaker 1: out of town. And apparently the sheriff was like, hey, hey, Bud,

2368
01:54:33,720 --> 01:54:36,280
Speaker 1: you really might not want to do this. People might

2369
01:54:36,320 --> 01:54:39,280
Speaker 1: not like it if you do this. Yeah, but the

2370
01:54:39,600 --> 01:54:41,760
Speaker 1: brave grand l for Hobbit or whatever it decides to

2371
01:54:41,760 --> 01:54:45,280
Speaker 1: do it anyway. And so you know, I have to

2372
01:54:45,320 --> 01:54:47,400
Speaker 1: hate someone if I'm going to drag D and D

2373
01:54:47,800 --> 01:54:49,400
Speaker 1: That's how much I fucking hate them, is that I'm

2374
01:54:49,400 --> 01:54:52,000
Speaker 1: willing to pick on nerds even though I fucking play

2375
01:54:52,080 --> 01:54:55,040
Speaker 1: D and D. Okay, of course, So they have the

2376
01:54:55,160 --> 01:54:58,480
Speaker 1: rally an old grand catfish coal he wants. He thinks

2377
01:54:58,480 --> 01:55:00,000
Speaker 1: five thousand of his dudes are going to show up

2378
01:55:00,480 --> 01:55:00,960
Speaker 1: fifty two.

2379
01:55:01,680 --> 01:55:04,320
Speaker 2: I was like, you ain't getting no five okay, thank you.

2380
01:55:04,480 --> 01:55:09,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, but five hundred lumbees show up, and everyone on

2381
01:55:09,280 --> 01:55:12,080
Speaker 1: all sides is armed, and so there's this tense stand off.

2382
01:55:12,120 --> 01:55:14,640
Speaker 1: It's mostly the lumbe making fun of the dumb fucking clansmen,

2383
01:55:15,160 --> 01:55:17,800
Speaker 1: of course, and then there's like the shortest scuffle. One

2384
01:55:17,840 --> 01:55:20,880
Speaker 1: lumby man pulls down the KKK bander and the Klan

2385
01:55:20,960 --> 01:55:22,800
Speaker 1: only had like one light bulb to light up their

2386
01:55:22,800 --> 01:55:26,000
Speaker 1: makeshift stage attached to a generator or whatever. So someone

2387
01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:29,240
Speaker 1: fucking shoots it out, and then a bunch of other

2388
01:55:29,280 --> 01:55:31,640
Speaker 1: people start shooting, and I think the lumbe might have

2389
01:55:31,720 --> 01:55:33,920
Speaker 1: been being nice here and shot into the air because

2390
01:55:33,920 --> 01:55:36,120
Speaker 1: no one's injured in all this, and they're surrounded by

2391
01:55:36,120 --> 01:55:37,520
Speaker 1: five hundred armed fucking people.

2392
01:55:38,080 --> 01:55:40,760
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, they were like, look, dude, show a little

2393
01:55:40,800 --> 01:55:41,920
Speaker 3: lame ass out of here.

2394
01:55:42,400 --> 01:55:46,720
Speaker 1: So what happens next Yeah, yeah, exactly. Lumbee historian Melinda

2395
01:55:46,760 --> 01:55:50,240
Speaker 1: Maynor Lowry puts it like this, Cole took off running

2396
01:55:50,240 --> 01:55:53,800
Speaker 1: in the swamps. His panicked followers dropped their guns, jumped

2397
01:55:53,840 --> 01:55:56,480
Speaker 1: in their cars, and drove in all directions, some straight

2398
01:55:56,520 --> 01:55:59,720
Speaker 1: into the ditches surrounding the field. Cole abandoned his own

2399
01:55:59,720 --> 01:56:03,200
Speaker 1: white Caroline at the scene. She either escaped on foot

2400
01:56:03,320 --> 01:56:05,840
Speaker 1: with her three children, or, as some Lumbees like to

2401
01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:08,440
Speaker 1: tell the story, drove her car into a ditch and

2402
01:56:08,480 --> 01:56:12,000
Speaker 1: had to have Lumbee men pull her out. Miraculously, no

2403
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:15,800
Speaker 1: one was seriously injured. Even though Sandford Lockleyar's threat to

2404
01:56:15,880 --> 01:56:17,600
Speaker 1: kill Cole was real, one of the people was like,

2405
01:56:17,640 --> 01:56:20,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fucking kill Cole. Wow, I'm still puzzled that

2406
01:56:20,840 --> 01:56:22,520
Speaker 1: no one got killed, said one of the women who

2407
01:56:22,560 --> 01:56:24,919
Speaker 1: confronted the Klan and Catfish.

2408
01:56:24,920 --> 01:56:25,120
Speaker 2: Cole.

2409
01:56:25,280 --> 01:56:26,720
Speaker 1: He goes and he hides in the swamps and he doesn't

2410
01:56:26,720 --> 01:56:28,520
Speaker 1: come out of his hiding place for two fucking days

2411
01:56:29,360 --> 01:56:33,840
Speaker 1: after the shit, and he's arrested for inciting a riot,

2412
01:56:33,920 --> 01:56:36,720
Speaker 1: extradited from South Carolina, and he's given like eighteen months.

2413
01:56:37,040 --> 01:56:40,360
Speaker 1: And one of the one of the jury was like,

2414
01:56:40,920 --> 01:56:42,440
Speaker 1: they were like, why do you convict? And he was

2415
01:56:42,520 --> 01:56:46,000
Speaker 1: like a lot of very angry people with guns were

2416
01:56:46,120 --> 01:56:54,440
Speaker 1: very very interested in this man being convicted this oh

2417
01:56:55,480 --> 01:56:58,000
Speaker 1: and you know that catfish. On his like sentencing or whatever,

2418
01:56:58,080 --> 01:57:00,120
Speaker 1: he makes this grand statement about how the Core is

2419
01:57:00,160 --> 01:57:02,280
Speaker 1: proving him right, that the country is falling into like

2420
01:57:02,600 --> 01:57:04,160
Speaker 1: communism and dictatorship.

2421
01:57:04,320 --> 01:57:07,200
Speaker 2: Of course, of course it doesn't sound familiar to now

2422
01:57:07,320 --> 01:57:09,520
Speaker 2: at all. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no one's ever done that.

2423
01:57:09,880 --> 01:57:12,520
Speaker 1: The guy who grabs the banner, he has his photo

2424
01:57:12,520 --> 01:57:14,800
Speaker 1: taken to two guys have their photo taken wrapped in

2425
01:57:14,840 --> 01:57:18,000
Speaker 1: the banner and become a celebrity. And he gets thousands

2426
01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:21,000
Speaker 1: of letters of support from eight different countries. And this

2427
01:57:21,280 --> 01:57:27,200
Speaker 1: ends KKK activity in Robison County. So that's the story

2428
01:57:27,240 --> 01:57:29,800
Speaker 1: of the Lowry Gang, or sometimes called the Lowry Wars.

2429
01:57:30,400 --> 01:57:32,440
Speaker 1: They live on in legend in North Carolina. And I

2430
01:57:32,480 --> 01:57:34,040
Speaker 1: thought it fitting to end with them because I think

2431
01:57:34,080 --> 01:57:36,840
Speaker 1: it's I think it's important to like really drive home

2432
01:57:36,840 --> 01:57:39,960
Speaker 1: that the rebellion against the Confederacy wasn't necessarily a pro

2433
01:57:40,080 --> 01:57:41,720
Speaker 1: union thing, it was a pro freedom thing.

2434
01:57:42,280 --> 01:57:43,879
Speaker 2: And kept going.

2435
01:57:44,680 --> 01:57:48,680
Speaker 3: That's dope, I what am I trying to say here?

2436
01:57:49,440 --> 01:57:52,560
Speaker 3: There's something that I've always like, I haven't been able

2437
01:57:52,560 --> 01:57:58,280
Speaker 3: to put words on until recently. That's so unique about

2438
01:57:58,320 --> 01:58:02,120
Speaker 3: the type of like going back to this clan guy

2439
01:58:03,320 --> 01:58:06,360
Speaker 3: then and this last thing in nineteen fifty eight, like this,

2440
01:58:07,320 --> 01:58:10,960
Speaker 3: I just don't understand, Like there's so many ways in

2441
01:58:11,000 --> 01:58:14,480
Speaker 3: the black community to say that's none of my business,

2442
01:58:15,640 --> 01:58:18,640
Speaker 3: just my your own business, Like you know, we just

2443
01:58:18,680 --> 01:58:21,280
Speaker 3: be like, look, that's your business, Like listen, listen, my

2444
01:58:21,400 --> 01:58:23,240
Speaker 3: n ain't been ittt, I ain't in it. I mean,

2445
01:58:24,760 --> 01:58:26,920
Speaker 3: we just have a million ways just to be like,

2446
01:58:27,320 --> 01:58:29,760
Speaker 3: that's none of my business, you know what I'm saying, Like,

2447
01:58:29,840 --> 01:58:32,560
Speaker 3: I just don't listen. If I see two Korean people

2448
01:58:32,600 --> 01:58:36,400
Speaker 3: talking on the train, they talking to each other in

2449
01:58:36,440 --> 01:58:39,560
Speaker 3: their own language, that's none of my business you talking.

2450
01:58:39,760 --> 01:58:42,720
Speaker 3: So this man is so mad about something? Who is ladies?

2451
01:58:43,520 --> 01:58:46,760
Speaker 3: Who this lady smashing fox doors down? What the hell

2452
01:58:46,840 --> 01:58:50,120
Speaker 3: she got to do with you? It's none of your business.

2453
01:58:50,520 --> 01:58:54,000
Speaker 3: This family moves into this house, what it's none of

2454
01:58:54,080 --> 01:58:57,960
Speaker 3: your business. I just don't like, like, why do you

2455
01:58:58,120 --> 01:59:01,840
Speaker 3: make shit that's not your business. It's a specific type

2456
01:59:02,360 --> 01:59:07,280
Speaker 3: of white supremacy to me that makes everything they business.

2457
01:59:07,880 --> 01:59:10,840
Speaker 3: And I'm just like you, Yeah, I'm like, look, let

2458
01:59:10,880 --> 01:59:14,640
Speaker 3: me let me okay, clan, let me give you some pointers.

2459
01:59:15,240 --> 01:59:15,760
Speaker 2: You can.

2460
01:59:18,400 --> 01:59:21,640
Speaker 3: Do your racism. But why you look so stupid to

2461
01:59:21,720 --> 01:59:24,680
Speaker 3: us is because you worried about shit that ain't your business.

2462
01:59:26,000 --> 01:59:29,720
Speaker 2: What the fuck you can? What the fuck do you care? Like,

2463
01:59:29,760 --> 01:59:30,840
Speaker 2: why do you care about that?

2464
01:59:31,280 --> 01:59:31,480
Speaker 4: You know?

2465
01:59:31,840 --> 01:59:35,360
Speaker 3: And I'm like, and that evolves into the Karen phenomenon.

2466
01:59:35,800 --> 01:59:38,360
Speaker 3: You just feel like shit is your business, and I'm

2467
01:59:38,440 --> 01:59:41,120
Speaker 3: just like, that's mind your own fucking business. Like, how

2468
01:59:41,160 --> 01:59:44,280
Speaker 3: many things would just be if you just mind your

2469
01:59:44,280 --> 01:59:49,000
Speaker 3: own just mino, that's not your business. And it's like,

2470
01:59:49,040 --> 01:59:55,360
Speaker 3: to me, one of listen, one of the easiest things

2471
01:59:55,400 --> 01:59:59,680
Speaker 3: to discern. To me, the easiest thing in the world

2472
01:59:59,720 --> 02:00:04,280
Speaker 3: for me to understand is what's my business and what's

2473
02:00:04,400 --> 02:00:05,280
Speaker 3: not my business?

2474
02:00:05,400 --> 02:00:10,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Margaret, you are part of the trans community.

2475
02:00:10,200 --> 02:00:10,440
Speaker 1: Yep.

2476
02:00:10,640 --> 02:00:11,480
Speaker 2: You know why I have.

2477
02:00:11,480 --> 02:00:14,320
Speaker 3: No thoughts about that because it's none of my business.

2478
02:00:15,000 --> 02:00:18,760
Speaker 2: If that's what you want to do, it ain't my business. Yeah,

2479
02:00:18,880 --> 02:00:22,280
Speaker 2: j Unders says. I'm just like, it was so easy.

2480
02:00:22,360 --> 02:00:23,920
Speaker 2: It is so easy for me.

2481
02:00:24,280 --> 02:00:28,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I just don't understand why people don't

2482
02:00:28,960 --> 02:00:30,959
Speaker 3: understand what is not their business.

2483
02:00:31,040 --> 02:00:33,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got that.

2484
02:00:33,560 --> 02:00:37,440
Speaker 4: Why so many of them are politicians.

2485
02:00:37,120 --> 02:00:41,240
Speaker 2: That's what John says. Wad Yeah, why did those people

2486
02:00:41,320 --> 02:00:43,960
Speaker 2: grow up? And I'm because they think everything is their business?

2487
02:00:43,960 --> 02:00:46,080
Speaker 1: So they should because they take everything they totally.

2488
02:00:46,720 --> 02:00:46,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2489
02:00:46,920 --> 02:00:49,120
Speaker 1: The number of people who thinks their business whether or

2490
02:00:49,160 --> 02:00:51,600
Speaker 1: I'm wearing a dress in public or whatever, it's fucking wild.

2491
02:00:52,080 --> 02:00:54,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's why, listen, does this impact the fact

2492
02:00:54,320 --> 02:00:55,920
Speaker 1: that I'm trying to buy French fries at my favorite

2493
02:00:56,040 --> 02:00:56,840
Speaker 1: French frying poor?

2494
02:00:56,920 --> 02:01:00,400
Speaker 3: Um no, no, Margaret, if you and front of me

2495
02:01:00,880 --> 02:01:04,280
Speaker 3: in address, you know what I'm thinking about? What size

2496
02:01:04,360 --> 02:01:08,040
Speaker 3: fries I want? Yeah, exactly, That's what I'm thinking about. Yeah,

2497
02:01:09,960 --> 02:01:14,000
Speaker 3: I'm just like, I'm not good, it's not my business.

2498
02:01:14,240 --> 02:01:15,400
Speaker 2: That's a total stranger.

2499
02:01:15,600 --> 02:01:17,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it comes back to potatoes.

2500
02:01:18,120 --> 02:01:19,080
Speaker 2: It all comes back.

2501
02:01:19,200 --> 02:01:21,280
Speaker 3: I just want to know what sized fries I'm gonna get.

2502
02:01:21,480 --> 02:01:24,240
Speaker 3: That's all I'm worried about. And I'm looking to see

2503
02:01:24,280 --> 02:01:26,920
Speaker 3: if they just fried him back there. I hope they

2504
02:01:27,000 --> 02:01:29,840
Speaker 3: hopefully they fresh. That probably impacts what size you want

2505
02:01:29,920 --> 02:01:31,160
Speaker 3: to you know exactly.

2506
02:01:31,200 --> 02:01:32,680
Speaker 2: If I look out there and I'm like, they ain't

2507
02:01:32,720 --> 02:01:34,560
Speaker 2: dip those in in a while, I go to small.

2508
02:01:34,640 --> 02:01:36,800
Speaker 2: But if I'm like he just made them right. Let

2509
02:01:36,840 --> 02:01:39,440
Speaker 2: me get it, Let me get a bucket. Yeah, you know,

2510
02:01:39,720 --> 02:01:41,600
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I want French fries so bad. Learning

2511
02:01:41,680 --> 02:01:43,720
Speaker 2: now so bad as soon as we get on. Yeah,

2512
02:01:43,760 --> 02:01:48,080
Speaker 2: that's what I mean. Yo, this was great. Thanks for

2513
02:01:48,200 --> 02:01:49,520
Speaker 2: having me. Yeah, thanks for coming on.

2514
02:01:50,640 --> 02:01:50,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2515
02:01:51,680 --> 02:01:53,120
Speaker 2: This the new show on the on the on the

2516
02:01:53,240 --> 02:01:54,960
Speaker 2: media zone. Huh the cool Zone.

2517
02:01:55,240 --> 02:01:56,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a new Czum joint.

2518
02:01:57,440 --> 02:01:59,880
Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to the Welcome to the family. Thank

2519
02:01:59,880 --> 02:02:00,120
Speaker 2: you you.

2520
02:02:01,000 --> 02:02:04,640
Speaker 4: Yeah you wanna you wanna plug that cool Zone media

2521
02:02:04,720 --> 02:02:06,120
Speaker 4: show that that you host, prop.

2522
02:02:06,320 --> 02:02:08,560
Speaker 2: Yo, I'm on a cool zone too, man. It's called

2523
02:02:08,680 --> 02:02:12,880
Speaker 2: hood politics. You know what I'm saying. Uh we hood

2524
02:02:12,920 --> 02:02:15,600
Speaker 2: politics will prop Like I am of the belief that.

2525
02:02:17,160 --> 02:02:19,720
Speaker 3: You understand more than you think you understand. You just

2526
02:02:19,800 --> 02:02:23,480
Speaker 3: need somebody to point at it, you know. And especially

2527
02:02:23,600 --> 02:02:26,480
Speaker 3: if you were, as Margaret said, at some point a

2528
02:02:26,560 --> 02:02:29,880
Speaker 3: street kid, you know, then you understand more than you

2529
02:02:29,960 --> 02:02:32,160
Speaker 3: think you do. And that's really what the Hood Politics

2530
02:02:32,240 --> 02:02:32,600
Speaker 3: is about.

2531
02:02:32,720 --> 02:02:35,760
Speaker 2: And I enjoy doing it.

2532
02:02:36,800 --> 02:02:38,520
Speaker 1: It's a good fucking show and people should listen to it.

2533
02:02:38,600 --> 02:02:40,440
Speaker 1: Thank you, although I kind of assume most people are

2534
02:02:40,640 --> 02:02:42,320
Speaker 1: listening to us. I've already heard it, but just in

2535
02:02:42,400 --> 02:02:42,960
Speaker 1: case you haven't.

2536
02:02:43,920 --> 02:02:45,680
Speaker 2: You never know, you got your own fans. You know

2537
02:02:45,720 --> 02:02:48,240
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Well, lets you be listening to your show.

2538
02:02:48,720 --> 02:02:50,800
Speaker 2: That's what I mean, That's what I'm insinuating.

2539
02:02:50,840 --> 02:02:58,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, And we'll be back on Monday, right, Margaret.

2540
02:02:58,800 --> 02:03:06,280
Speaker 2: Back on Monday. Stuff. Cool Stuff in the Cool Zone Yeah.

2541
02:03:07,760 --> 02:03:14,480
Speaker 4: They cool people who did Cool Stuff is a production

2542
02:03:14,600 --> 02:03:17,800
Speaker 4: of cool Zone Media. For more podcasts on cool Zone Media,

2543
02:03:17,960 --> 02:03:21,160
Speaker 4: visit our website Coolzonemedia dot com, or check us out

2544
02:03:21,320 --> 02:03:24,680
Speaker 4: on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get

2545
02:03:24,720 --> 02:03:25,440
Speaker 4: your podcasts.