WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: FA Wins & Losses 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:07.200 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:18.920 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Let's go. Are you 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:23.040 ready for a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:27.360 Ready for a break? Yeah, And so much for that. 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:32.760 It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:39.080 with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:44.400 It is Wednesday, March twenty four, two twenty one, Season sixteen, 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:47.120 episode number one oh two. Welcome to the latest edition 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:49.720 of The Break. We are alive in the s WBC 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:52.920 Mortgage studios at the Star. Got Nick, Amber and Dave 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:55.840 with me, and we're we get the free agency. Now. 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:59.120 Cowboys have made some moves. They've signed five players, they've 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:03.400 lost five plays years, they resigned a few of their own. Um, 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:05.280 and we're going to spend the show talking about what 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:07.520 the Cowboys have done so far in free agency and 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:11.640 getting these guys opinions on what they think. Uh, let's 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:14.440 start first with just the big overall um and the 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:17.920 big question. How do you think the Cowboys have done 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:21.039 from the standpoint of their approach to free agency this year? 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:22.640 Was there anything that stood out to you or was 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:25.080 it pretty much kind of what you expect. It'll start 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:28.040 with you, Nick, It's what I expected. It's what we 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:31.759 all expected, honestly, and uh, you know, they they they 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:34.240 made a splash when when they signed Dak Prescott and 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:36.959 and and then not just Dak, but the other guys 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:39.280 at that position. They have high profile players at a 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:42.640 lot of positions that they that's their strategy. They resigned 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:44.520 their own. They don't have a lot and they've been 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:47.600 bargain shopping. They did it last year, didn't work. I mean, 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:49.440 they've done it several years, and then they're doing it 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:53.520 this year. They're trying to get bargains and you know, 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:56.920 it's it's all they really have to do because they 0:01:56.920 --> 0:02:00.920 don't have a lot of money. Amber, I guess, I mean, 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:03.320 I guess it's fine right now. It's just so hard 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:05.240 to tell because you never know how these guys are 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:07.640 really going to turn out once they get here, and 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:10.280 even so even during training camp, we don't know until 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:13.919 the season actually starts, So it's hard to tell right now. 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:18.560 I am, I guess a letter curious to see what 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:20.960 they do with these safeties that are supposed to be 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:24.880 visiting with them. So at least that's nice to hear 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:27.880 that they are getting some safeties in the building to 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:31.720 look at it, but just overall, nothing that we didn't expect. Really, 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:33.799 we've been talking about it here since forever. This is 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:37.760 kind of what they do. But at least they're making 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:42.640 some moves on defense specifically, so that's a good positive, Dave. 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:46.320 I mean, if you're talking about what stands out, it's 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:48.720 just I mean, it might as well be a handbook 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:52.040 at this point. They do. I mean, they signed a 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:55.760 veteran offensive tackle whose resume probably doesn't vow you. They 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:59.080 made some bargain signings on the defensive line to kind 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:04.040 of air quote sure that thing up. Um and then 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:07.000 and yeah, and they're they're bargain hunting with name guys who, 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:12.200 for a variety of reasons, um, you know, don't have 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:15.360 the resume to be more expensive. Keyan O'Neill is a 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:17.880 great player. He's missed two seasons due to injury. It's 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:19.480 probably a big part of the reason why he was 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:22.280 able to be had so cheaply. If they wind up 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:25.560 signing Malie Cooker or Demante Casey, it'll be for a 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:28.280 similar reason. Kase. I think they're both coming off of 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:33.000 season ending injuries. So oh and then and they resigned 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:35.800 a couple of their key guys. You know, bringing Jordan 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:38.280 Lewis back, I think is a good bargain signing. But again, 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:41.880 this is, to Nick's point, probably a year seven in 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:44.760 a row that it's looked fairly similar to this and 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:49.040 hasn't always worked out very well or at all. Um, 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:52.120 there's a couple of these that I'm optimistic about, but 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:55.200 at this point that's about it, you know, as all 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:57.880 you can do is hope that this will turn out 0:03:57.920 --> 0:03:59.640 better than the last, and we're gonna get into them. 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:02.040 We're going to talk specifically about each of these deals 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:04.560 that the Cowboys have made. There's another question I have 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:06.520 for you guys, tho you are there deals as you 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:08.960 look across the NFL and you see players that have 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:10.840 been signed, are there deals that you look at and 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:13.120 you're like, man, I really wish the Cowboys would have 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:15.800 done that, like, you know, for the money and for 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:18.280 the player where their deals, you were like, the Cowboys 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:20.039 probably could have made that work, and I think it 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:22.120 would have been a good move for them. I'll start 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:24.880 with you, Nick, I can't think of one, honestly, and 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:27.440 I haven't maybe looked that closely. But I just think 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:30.200 that that they're in a different boat. You see a 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:32.640 lot of these one and two year deals. Obviously teams 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:34.760 aren't or players aren't trying to get tied up locked 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:37.479 up into knowing. I haven't seen a long term deal, 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:39.200 Like the longest I think I've seen is maybe three 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:42.200 three year deal. And yeah, and that's probably one that 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:44.520 could be voided down to two. You know, if when 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:47.560 you get to when the salary cap starts increasing back 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:50.159 in the next couple of years. So when you do 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:54.000 deals like that, you have to have some cap you know, 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:57.279 you have to have you have to have cap space 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:00.240 to do that, because you just don't have any can't. 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:02.840 You know, they only had seventeen or eighteen million going 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:05.559 into this thing, So you can't do a deal like that. 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:08.320 I haven't seen one specifically. Dave might have a better answer, 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:12.320 or Amber. I'd way rather have Dalvin Tomlinson for two 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:14.520 years twenty two million dollars than like half of the 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:17.120 guys they've signed for sure. Yeah, that's a I mean, 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:19.080 and that's not expensing. I mean, I know they don't 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:21.880 have a lot of money, but you can add voidable years. 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:24.000 That's the new vogue thing to do in the NFL, 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:27.960 or sign him and three fewer guys and make it 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:30.040 work like they I mean, if that's all it took 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:32.480 to get him out of New York, that was shocking 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:35.680 to me. And maybe that's because the salary cap is 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:37.600 so much lower, but I would have done that deal 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:41.480 in a heartbeat. I'm looking to see if anything else 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:44.400 really jumps out at me. That was the one that really, 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:46.640 I'm not gonna say it upset me, but I was like, 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:48.680 that's all a cost to get that good of a 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:53.200 defensive tackle, which this is. This is maybe a little 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:55.520 bit unfair, but I've always said it's not so much 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:59.000 the signings, but the creative ways the teams get aggressive. 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:01.159 If you tell me that I could have had Michael 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:04.120 Brocker's for a future seventh round pick, bring it on 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:08.359 and Wolf structures contract. We'll figure it out. Absolutely. Like 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:11.960 I said, that might not be fair because they traded 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:14.960 Brocker's to Detroit. Detroit's new GM used to work for 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:17.720 the Rams. That's maybe a little bit of a sweetheart situation. 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:21.839 But pick up those phones, man, call around like there's 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:24.400 a cap crunch. Teams have had to make difficult decisions 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:27.400 all over the league, and if you're proactive about it, 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:29.520 you can wind up getting guys like Michael Brocker's for 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:32.440 a seventh round pick. So there were a few bargain 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:36.000 deals that I would have liked to have seen them 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:38.360 go after. For sure. Did you see anything ember that 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:41.279 that kind of piqued your interest? Well, just in general. 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:43.560 And I'm sure this might be different for you guys 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:46.280 because you guys know more people around the league and everything, 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:48.279 But to me, it's always the same story. It's like 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:52.000 I just always wish and I know that they signed 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:54.479 back and all that, but I just wish that someone 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:58.440 that I kind of knew more of would be signed 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:01.239 through free agency because I'm always having to investigate, Okay, 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:04.159 who's this guy, what has he done, where was he at, 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:07.520 what's his deal? And it's always someone that I don't 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:11.000 really know much about. So that's it's not really fun 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:14.320 or exciting when you are getting the name thrown your 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:17.640 way saying, oh, we signed this guy but you never 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:20.560 heard of really. But one guy that I will mention 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:23.880 that this stand out to me was LP Lady, sir. 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:27.320 What they did with him not resigning him and getting 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:31.480 what's the guy's name from the Ram McQuaid. Yeah, that 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:36.000 was totally surprising to me. And I get the relationship 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:39.560 there between John Fossil and like special teams and the 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:41.960 Rams and blah blah. But at the same time, it's like, 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:46.880 why LP has been here for so long. He's never 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.440 done anything bad. He doesn't necessarily have a smile on 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:52.880 his face when he walks around, but he's the guy 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:56.240 that's fine on the field. He doesn't cause problems on 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:58.680 the field, you know, so funny. Everybody kind of chuckled 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:01.360 when you said that kind of gooead is it just 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:06.160 you know guy, he's kind of surly. It's an interesting 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:10.480 but no, when when you talk about a guy on 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:12.640 the field that has done his job for so many 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:15.520 years and being here for so long, that to me 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:18.880 was definitely surprising not to hear the Cowboys signing him 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:22.520 at least on another one year deal. Yeah, it kind 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:24.920 of surprised me a little bit too, But I just 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:29.920 refused to get myself worked up over a long snapper, Like, 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:33.280 am I crazy because E eight snaps a game? Like, yeah, 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:35.440 that's what you're talking about. And Jake McQuoid has been 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:37.720 to two Pro Bowls. I know LP's been here forever. 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:40.600 But I saw it happen and I was like, oh, 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:43.000 it's kind of weird, but that's fossil Sky all right, 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:45.680 onto the next one. Yeah, that's basically my That was 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:47.360 my thought process. It's kind of like you get a 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:49.839 new job and they let you bring your secretary. Okay, fine, 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:52.560 I don't that's fine. Whatever you want, like, it's it's fine. 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:54.920 It may not a feal better um, okay, So real quick, 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:56.480 before we move on to actually going through some of 0:08:56.480 --> 0:09:00.800 these different contracts called that anymore? Do it secretary? They don't? 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.480 Did I say something? All? Now? What do they call 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:08.280 the administrative administrative? Administrative assistance? I got caught. You know, 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:12.199 you know it's funny. I know, but it's funny. It's 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:14.960 like you can make that argument both ways though, you know, 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:17.120 you can say, Okay, I'm not gonna get worked up. 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:20.280 It's a it's a long snapper. Okay, But go back 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:25.520 to what she said. What's the problem why Because because 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:29.080 he's a little surly. Now again, maybe he didn't say something. 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:31.080 Maybe he kind of talked back and to me. I 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:33.000 don't know, maybe he doesn't see eye to eye with 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:34.960 fossil he's a long snapper, and he's one of the 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:38.000 best ones. So this this guy McQuaid, he's probably gonna 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:40.400 make more money and guess what, he has to be 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:44.360 better than zero snaps ever, I mean, that's that's I'm 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:46.400 just saying. It sounds like he is though. It sounds 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:48.320 like he's a really really good long snapper. So you 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:51.240 know what, go back and watch every high school, college 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:55.280 pro football game. We watched a lot of football, most 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:57.160 of us, you know, watching a lot of football. Understanding 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:02.920 I'm talking about Friday. How many bad snaps do you see? Well, 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:07.719 I will tell in college you don't see you don't 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:10.920 see him a ton. But let's go back. Let's go 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:14.520 back to when they were making that transition from hell astray. Yeah, 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:16.719 that was a little bit of a rocky time, Like 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:19.040 you had some snaps in there that just kind of 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:22.600 weren't on point. It was and you're gonna yeah, I know. 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:24.160 But but but when you get a good when you 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:26.240 don't worry about it because it doesn't happen, right, bad 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:28.640 ones don't happen. Yeah, there's there's thirty two out there, 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:31.760 you know, thirty two jobs, and these most of them 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:34.680 are pretty good. I'm kind of surprised that they haven't 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:38.439 turned it over fewer than this. You know, I kind 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:40.679 of agree. So all I'm saying is is that if 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:43.640 he was, if there was anything going on that was like, 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:45.760 you know, I'm getting rid of him. I mean, you 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:47.679 can say, well, no big deal, is a long snapper, 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:50.720 but they could have also said, Okay, he's a long snapper, 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:53.520 he does his job and all that. So it is curious. 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:56.200 It's curious a little bit, I guess. My point forty 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:59.320 though he turned forty. My point is that if you're 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:02.080 if it's one or the other and they're about the 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:05.160 same as far as their abilities, and you happen to 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:07.280 feel more comfortable with one or the other. And again 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:10.040 that we're making a lot of suff We're assuming a 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:13.040 lot here, but let's assume that the special team's coach 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:16.120 Fossil just felt more comfortable with the guy that he 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:20.040 had in with the RAMS. Then if I'm the organization 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:23.319 and the contracts up on the other guy anyway, I mean, 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:25.240 is it really that big a deal? Fine, bringing in 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:26.920 the guy you feel comfortable as long as he's good, 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:28.600 then you know, I don't really have a problem with 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:30.439 it one way or the other. And so that's why 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:32.679 for me, I just kind of was like, I get 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:34.280 your point. Ever, I was kind of a little like 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:36.720 my eyebrowery. He's like, really, why would they just make 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:38.719 this swatchwa But at the end of the day, I 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:40.480 was kind of like, well, this guy seems like he's 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:43.480 just as good, So okay, fine, not that big a deal. 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:48.360 If he was an undecorated, unexperienced player, I would probably 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:50.440 be making a bigger deal of this. But he's been 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:52.520 in the league for ten years in his own right, 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:55.959 He's been two Pro Bowls. If that's who John Fossils 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:58.400 doing it, I don't know, but he's I mean, he's 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:00.600 been in the league since twenty eleven. So guys play 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:03.679 a long time, play a ton like a long time. 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:07.200 Probably four thirty five probably, I would say around thirty 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:09.439 three thirty three, okay, yeah, so he could probably play 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:13.040 another ten years maybe, And I think one year, I 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:15.120 think one year that Fossil was there, I think all 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:18.200 three RAMS specialists made the Pro Bowl. I think Zerline, 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:22.600 I believe, and then mcquad. But I've told this to Dave. 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:24.680 I mean, it seems like it's been two years since 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:26.640 that happened. I mean, it's only been a week or so, 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:30.840 but I mean, you know who wins off this Witten 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:36.880 jc Witz, it gets to hold that record, baby games played. 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:40.560 LP was at two fifty three chomping away on that cookie, 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:46.839 ready to get him and not so fast, my friend, 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:50.360 you like old league corso not so. But you know 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:52.560 it could be interesting here too that that obviously we 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:55.000 wouldn't know until we talked to Fossil and probably had 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:56.400 to talk to him off the record to get this. 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:58.839 But are there things and we saw it this last 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:02.360 year he's unconvinced. We know that he does some unconventional things. 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:06.240 Are there things that from a snapping standpoint that maybe 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:08.400 there are some nuances that he looks at and he's like, 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:10.680 I just don't think El Pete does that in the 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.280 same way this other guys. Does it recognize a certain things, 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:15.320 you know? I mean, if you're trying to run fakes 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:18.000 and stuff, snapping the ball to a different person might 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:19.640 be a little different. I don't know. I don't know 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:21.959 a lot about the art of long snapping. But all 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:24.120 I'm saying is I think right now we're making a 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:26.600 lot of assumptions. I would love to talk to the 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:29.120 special team's coach and find out what are the differences 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:31.559 that you look at and a long snapper, because there 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:34.120 may be some differences that we just aren't talking about them. 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:36.920 You know, feel free to drag me, like, pull this 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:40.000 show out of the receipts in October when he botches 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:44.280 a snap. But I can't believe we're I'm just like, 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:46.520 we don't want to. I just can't. But first of all, 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:49.280 superstitions aren't real. Second of all, I can't believe we 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:52.120 dedicated like eight minutes to the long snapper. That's right, 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:56.880 guy Amber did that. Another as long as we're right, 0:13:57.000 --> 0:13:59.600 as long as we're talking, I thought of another one. 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:02.880 Anthon Harris to Philadelphia one year, five million dollars. I 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:06.360 have done that deal, which I won't mind as much 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:08.480 if they come away with one of these guys that's 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:13.040 visiting this week. I and it's draft bias for sure, 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:16.600 But Malee Hooker was a hell of a college safety 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:19.040 and he's shown that he can do it at a 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:21.360 pretty high level when he's healthy. That would excite me. 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:26.520 But Anthony Harris had six interceptions in twenty nineteen. He's 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:29.320 played you know, he doesn't get hurt, He's he hasn't 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:32.200 missed many games over the last three four years. One year, 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:34.240 five million dollars. I would have done that for sure. 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:37.880 So of those guys, let's switch to that. Of the 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:40.240 guys that they have in here right now, do you 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:41.880 have a favorite? Do you have a guy that you 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:45.880 liked him to sign? Between Hooker and Kaze or like, 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:50.480 what which one do you do you like most? Go ahead, 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:54.240 cause he is a has been a ballhawk. I mean 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:58.240 he's got seven interceptions one year and three another. So 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:03.040 you like that. Um, what you don't like is that, 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:07.000 you know, Zeke didn't have a lot of highlights last 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:09.880 year Ezekiel Elliott. One of them was he trucked over 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:12.560 because in the end zone and almost I mean I 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:15.080 hurt him, remember the touchdown against the Falcons where I 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:17.240 mean he took him. He just got up like last 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:19.320 week from that he was already in Dallas. They're like, 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:20.960 why didn't you bring me here? So now we do 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:22.640 need to do a medical on you. But from a 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:26.040 safety standpoint, you don't love that mar That's why that 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:29.120 Keyan O'Neil's here. Today's exactly. I was just kN O'Neil 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:32.680 is here to hit Zeke Demantekauze Casey stay thirty yards 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:34.960 behind the last. You stay back there. And I mean 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:37.400 if if Zeke gets through to you, which one is 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:41.120 which one's coming off the Achilles CAZy which and what 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:44.640 is Hooker coming off of. I've looked this up a 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:49.520 million times and I always forget he's had two back 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:52.280 to back. He had an acl and Achilles smith but 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:54.520 he did play play last year. He was not hurt 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:58.560 last year. Um. Yes, Hooker's coming off in Achilles from 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:01.080 week two of last season. So both the safeties they 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:04.040 have in today and that's why they're here. Like visits 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:07.120 are not a thing in the NFL anymore unless they 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:09.040 you know, the Cowboys want to take a look and see, 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:10.920 you know, how you recovering, how you moving, But what's 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:15.280 your timetables? Looking at him? You know physicals too, So um, 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:19.160 I mean that used to scare me more. You know, 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:22.640 the the Achilles injury, especially for a defensive back. You know, 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:25.880 I think Barry Church had it twenty twelve or thirteen. 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:29.240 The Cowboys actually signed him. He was he was having 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:31.680 a pretty good, you know, career two or three years 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:34.560 and he gets an achilles injury and the Cowboys signed 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:38.600 him immediately and said four or five year deal cheap probably, 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:40.840 but they made a commitment to him, and he you know, 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:42.200 it was it was a good player. You know, it 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:44.120 was a bargain. He was a bargain then. But I 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:47.040 don't think you saw any effects of the Achilles for him. 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:49.200 He was never a guy that could run super fast 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:51.840 for a safety. Hope, Barry he's not well. I mean, 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:58.040 Barry was a don't think he would argue all Mac 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:01.080 player from Toledo four years in a row, freshman to senior. 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:04.040 Wasn't drafted. There's because he probably I think he ran 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:06.160 a four seven for eight, but he could play. Yeah, 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:08.680 and you know, and I think the Akiller's injury really 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:11.199 didn't affect him from that standpoint. So I you know, 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:13.719 if they come back, and yeah, I'd like either one 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.720 of them would help. And I'm curious where they all 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:22.120 fit into this, because Donan Wilson can play. He's got 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:26.080 a spot somewhere, and so I'm curious to see, you know, O'Neill. 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:29.400 There's been talk of a linebacker role for him. So 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:31.639 let's assume for a second that they signed one of 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:34.040 these two guys you could take, which every choice you 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:37.280 liked of the two, and then you combine that with 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:40.800 Kean O'Neill. Do you feel like the Cowboys may have 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:44.760 something finally at safety between the combination that gets them 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:46.920 farther a hit than where they've been over the last 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:49.760 several years, or do you think that still is a huge, 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:53.240 huge area of weakness for them going into the draft. 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:58.080 I think I will again, like, I will feel optimistic, Yeah, 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:01.840 but these are I guarantee you if one of them signs, 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:03.760 it'll be a one or two year deal. Prove it, 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:06.840 see what we can get, so it won't be long 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:10.960 term fixed. And I will be optimistic that the safety 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:13.880 position has the potential to be better than it hasn't 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:15.480 a long long time, but I'm not going to bank 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:18.159 on it. Like, I would absolutely still draft a safety 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:19.960 in the top one hundred if it fell that way, 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:23.480 wouldn't even think twice about it, even if he's mainly 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:27.360 a special teamer as a rookie, I don't care. So 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:31.840 I would feel optimistic, but like not confident. Yeah, I mean, 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:34.440 you're not going to take one at number ten. I don't. 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:37.199 I don't believe there is one that you would take that. 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:39.120 I've not heard of one I don't study it every 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:42.240 day like Dave, but there's I mean, I don't even 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:44.640 know if you trade down, let's say to a fifteen 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:47.920 or sixteen, that would still be a reach to take 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:50.800 a safety there. So I mean we at the end 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:53.080 of the day, you never fully know. Like the biggest 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:55.600 example I can think of is the Raiders drafted Cleveland 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:57.480 Farrell in the top five a couple of years ago. 0:18:57.600 --> 0:19:00.440 Nobody saw that coming. Like, all these teams have different 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:04.360 grades on these guys, but conventional wisdom says the best 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:08.920 safety in the draft is probably TCUs Tryvan Morrig, and 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:13.000 I would be shocked if he gets drafted before you know, 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:15.200 if he gets drafted in the top like twenty five, 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:18.359 I would be pretty surprised. Yeah. So yeah, So you know, 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:19.840 once you get out of the first round, then you're 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:22.560 talking about second round and on and just about every 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:26.000 position other than quarterback you would consider at that at 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:28.879 that I mean even running back if you wanted to. 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:31.040 I mean, you could you consider all positions in the 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:33.120 second round, you know, And we saw what they did 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:35.639 with Ceedee Lamb, which, by the way, this morning, at 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:38.320 like six thirty in the morning, I wake up or 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:40.520 whatever time it was, and I started thinking of the 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:45.440 Chase one Calevon, Yeah, like, what did he do last year? Nothing? 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:49.840 He really didn't. He's a rotational guy. He had one sack, so, 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:53.040 which is exactly on the trek trajectory of of of 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:56.280 the Cowboys defensive end pick from a few years ago. 0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:58.720 The time. I'm not going to pretend that I watched 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:00.560 all of I don't think I watched the snap of 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:04.000 Jaguars football last year. But that's what we said Jason 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:07.240 would be all last year. Like people at like don't 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:09.080 get it twisted. That's what we said. We were like, 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:10.919