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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, March twenty four, two twenty one, Season sixteen,
Speaker 1: episode number one oh two. Welcome to the latest edition
Speaker 1: of The Break. We are alive in the s WBC
Speaker 1: Mortgage studios at the Star. Got Nick, Amber and Dave
Speaker 1: with me, and we're we get the free agency. Now.
Speaker 1: Cowboys have made some moves. They've signed five players, they've
Speaker 1: lost five plays years, they resigned a few of their own. Um,
Speaker 1: and we're going to spend the show talking about what
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have done so far in free agency and
Speaker 1: getting these guys opinions on what they think. Uh, let's
Speaker 1: start first with just the big overall um and the
Speaker 1: big question. How do you think the Cowboys have done
Speaker 1: from the standpoint of their approach to free agency this year?
Speaker 1: Was there anything that stood out to you or was
Speaker 1: it pretty much kind of what you expect. It'll start
Speaker 1: with you, Nick, It's what I expected. It's what we
Speaker 1: all expected, honestly, and uh, you know, they they they
Speaker 1: made a splash when when they signed Dak Prescott and
Speaker 1: and and then not just Dak, but the other guys
Speaker 1: at that position. They have high profile players at a
Speaker 1: lot of positions that they that's their strategy. They resigned
Speaker 1: their own. They don't have a lot and they've been
Speaker 1: bargain shopping. They did it last year, didn't work. I mean,
Speaker 1: they've done it several years, and then they're doing it
Speaker 1: this year. They're trying to get bargains and you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's all they really have to do because they
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of money. Amber, I guess, I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess it's fine right now. It's just so hard
Speaker 1: to tell because you never know how these guys are
Speaker 1: really going to turn out once they get here, and
Speaker 1: even so even during training camp, we don't know until
Speaker 1: the season actually starts, So it's hard to tell right now.
Speaker 1: I am, I guess a letter curious to see what
Speaker 1: they do with these safeties that are supposed to be
Speaker 1: visiting with them. So at least that's nice to hear
Speaker 1: that they are getting some safeties in the building to
Speaker 1: look at it, but just overall, nothing that we didn't expect. Really,
Speaker 1: we've been talking about it here since forever. This is
Speaker 1: kind of what they do. But at least they're making
Speaker 1: some moves on defense specifically, so that's a good positive, Dave.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're talking about what stands out, it's
Speaker 1: just I mean, it might as well be a handbook
Speaker 1: at this point. They do. I mean, they signed a
Speaker 1: veteran offensive tackle whose resume probably doesn't vow you. They
Speaker 1: made some bargain signings on the defensive line to kind
Speaker 1: of air quote sure that thing up. Um and then
Speaker 1: and yeah, and they're they're bargain hunting with name guys who,
Speaker 1: for a variety of reasons, um, you know, don't have
Speaker 1: the resume to be more expensive. Keyan O'Neill is a
Speaker 1: great player. He's missed two seasons due to injury. It's
Speaker 1: probably a big part of the reason why he was
Speaker 1: able to be had so cheaply. If they wind up
Speaker 1: signing Malie Cooker or Demante Casey, it'll be for a
Speaker 1: similar reason. Kase. I think they're both coming off of
Speaker 1: season ending injuries. So oh and then and they resigned
Speaker 1: a couple of their key guys. You know, bringing Jordan
Speaker 1: Lewis back, I think is a good bargain signing. But again,
Speaker 1: this is, to Nick's point, probably a year seven in
Speaker 1: a row that it's looked fairly similar to this and
Speaker 1: hasn't always worked out very well or at all. Um,
Speaker 1: there's a couple of these that I'm optimistic about, but
Speaker 1: at this point that's about it, you know, as all
Speaker 1: you can do is hope that this will turn out
Speaker 1: better than the last, and we're gonna get into them.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk specifically about each of these deals
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys have made. There's another question I have
Speaker 1: for you guys, tho you are there deals as you
Speaker 1: look across the NFL and you see players that have
Speaker 1: been signed, are there deals that you look at and
Speaker 1: you're like, man, I really wish the Cowboys would have
Speaker 1: done that, like, you know, for the money and for
Speaker 1: the player where their deals, you were like, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: probably could have made that work, and I think it
Speaker 1: would have been a good move for them. I'll start
Speaker 1: with you, Nick, I can't think of one, honestly, and
Speaker 1: I haven't maybe looked that closely. But I just think
Speaker 1: that that they're in a different boat. You see a
Speaker 1: lot of these one and two year deals. Obviously teams
Speaker 1: aren't or players aren't trying to get tied up locked
Speaker 1: up into knowing. I haven't seen a long term deal,
Speaker 1: Like the longest I think I've seen is maybe three
Speaker 1: three year deal. And yeah, and that's probably one that
Speaker 1: could be voided down to two. You know, if when
Speaker 1: you get to when the salary cap starts increasing back
Speaker 1: in the next couple of years. So when you do
Speaker 1: deals like that, you have to have some cap you know,
Speaker 1: you have to have you have to have cap space
Speaker 1: to do that, because you just don't have any can't.
Speaker 1: You know, they only had seventeen or eighteen million going
Speaker 1: into this thing, So you can't do a deal like that.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen one specifically. Dave might have a better answer,
Speaker 1: or Amber. I'd way rather have Dalvin Tomlinson for two
Speaker 1: years twenty two million dollars than like half of the
Speaker 1: guys they've signed for sure. Yeah, that's a I mean,
Speaker 1: and that's not expensing. I mean, I know they don't
Speaker 1: have a lot of money, but you can add voidable years.
Speaker 1: That's the new vogue thing to do in the NFL,
Speaker 1: or sign him and three fewer guys and make it
Speaker 1: work like they I mean, if that's all it took
Speaker 1: to get him out of New York, that was shocking
Speaker 1: to me. And maybe that's because the salary cap is
Speaker 1: so much lower, but I would have done that deal
Speaker 1: in a heartbeat. I'm looking to see if anything else
Speaker 1: really jumps out at me. That was the one that really,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say it upset me, but I was like,
Speaker 1: that's all a cost to get that good of a
Speaker 1: defensive tackle, which this is. This is maybe a little
Speaker 1: bit unfair, but I've always said it's not so much
Speaker 1: the signings, but the creative ways the teams get aggressive.
Speaker 1: If you tell me that I could have had Michael
Speaker 1: Brocker's for a future seventh round pick, bring it on
Speaker 1: and Wolf structures contract. We'll figure it out. Absolutely. Like
Speaker 1: I said, that might not be fair because they traded
Speaker 1: Brocker's to Detroit. Detroit's new GM used to work for
Speaker 1: the Rams. That's maybe a little bit of a sweetheart situation.
Speaker 1: But pick up those phones, man, call around like there's
Speaker 1: a cap crunch. Teams have had to make difficult decisions
Speaker 1: all over the league, and if you're proactive about it,
Speaker 1: you can wind up getting guys like Michael Brocker's for
Speaker 1: a seventh round pick. So there were a few bargain
Speaker 1: deals that I would have liked to have seen them
Speaker 1: go after. For sure. Did you see anything ember that
Speaker 1: that kind of piqued your interest? Well, just in general.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure this might be different for you guys
Speaker 1: because you guys know more people around the league and everything,
Speaker 1: But to me, it's always the same story. It's like
Speaker 1: I just always wish and I know that they signed
Speaker 1: back and all that, but I just wish that someone
Speaker 1: that I kind of knew more of would be signed
Speaker 1: through free agency because I'm always having to investigate, Okay,
Speaker 1: who's this guy, what has he done, where was he at,
Speaker 1: what's his deal? And it's always someone that I don't
Speaker 1: really know much about. So that's it's not really fun
Speaker 1: or exciting when you are getting the name thrown your
Speaker 1: way saying, oh, we signed this guy but you never
Speaker 1: heard of really. But one guy that I will mention
Speaker 1: that this stand out to me was LP Lady, sir.
Speaker 1: What they did with him not resigning him and getting
Speaker 1: what's the guy's name from the Ram McQuaid. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was totally surprising to me. And I get the relationship
Speaker 1: there between John Fossil and like special teams and the
Speaker 1: Rams and blah blah. But at the same time, it's like,
Speaker 1: why LP has been here for so long. He's never
Speaker 1: done anything bad. He doesn't necessarily have a smile on
Speaker 1: his face when he walks around, but he's the guy
Speaker 1: that's fine on the field. He doesn't cause problems on
Speaker 1: the field, you know, so funny. Everybody kind of chuckled
Speaker 1: when you said that kind of gooead is it just
Speaker 1: you know guy, he's kind of surly. It's an interesting
Speaker 1: but no, when when you talk about a guy on
Speaker 1: the field that has done his job for so many
Speaker 1: years and being here for so long, that to me
Speaker 1: was definitely surprising not to hear the Cowboys signing him
Speaker 1: at least on another one year deal. Yeah, it kind
Speaker 1: of surprised me a little bit too, But I just
Speaker 1: refused to get myself worked up over a long snapper, Like,
Speaker 1: am I crazy because E eight snaps a game? Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what you're talking about. And Jake McQuoid has been
Speaker 1: to two Pro Bowls. I know LP's been here forever.
Speaker 1: But I saw it happen and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's kind of weird, but that's fossil Sky all right,
Speaker 1: onto the next one. Yeah, that's basically my That was
Speaker 1: my thought process. It's kind of like you get a
Speaker 1: new job and they let you bring your secretary. Okay, fine,
Speaker 1: I don't that's fine. Whatever you want, like, it's it's fine.
Speaker 1: It may not a feal better um, okay, So real quick,
Speaker 1: before we move on to actually going through some of
Speaker 1: these different contracts called that anymore? Do it secretary? They don't?
Speaker 1: Did I say something? All? Now? What do they call
Speaker 1: the administrative administrative? Administrative assistance? I got caught. You know,
Speaker 1: you know it's funny. I know, but it's funny. It's
Speaker 1: like you can make that argument both ways though, you know,
Speaker 1: you can say, Okay, I'm not gonna get worked up.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a long snapper. Okay, But go back
Speaker 1: to what she said. What's the problem why Because because
Speaker 1: he's a little surly. Now again, maybe he didn't say something.
Speaker 1: Maybe he kind of talked back and to me. I
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe he doesn't see eye to eye with
Speaker 1: fossil he's a long snapper, and he's one of the
Speaker 1: best ones. So this this guy McQuaid, he's probably gonna
Speaker 1: make more money and guess what, he has to be
Speaker 1: better than zero snaps ever, I mean, that's that's I'm
Speaker 1: just saying. It sounds like he is though. It sounds
Speaker 1: like he's a really really good long snapper. So you
Speaker 1: know what, go back and watch every high school, college
Speaker 1: pro football game. We watched a lot of football, most
Speaker 1: of us, you know, watching a lot of football. Understanding
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Friday. How many bad snaps do you see? Well,
Speaker 1: I will tell in college you don't see you don't
Speaker 1: see him a ton. But let's go back. Let's go
Speaker 1: back to when they were making that transition from hell astray. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a little bit of a rocky time, Like
Speaker 1: you had some snaps in there that just kind of
Speaker 1: weren't on point. It was and you're gonna yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: But but but when you get a good when you
Speaker 1: don't worry about it because it doesn't happen, right, bad
Speaker 1: ones don't happen. Yeah, there's there's thirty two out there,
Speaker 1: you know, thirty two jobs, and these most of them
Speaker 1: are pretty good. I'm kind of surprised that they haven't
Speaker 1: turned it over fewer than this. You know, I kind
Speaker 1: of agree. So all I'm saying is is that if
Speaker 1: he was, if there was anything going on that was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm getting rid of him. I mean, you
Speaker 1: can say, well, no big deal, is a long snapper,
Speaker 1: but they could have also said, Okay, he's a long snapper,
Speaker 1: he does his job and all that. So it is curious.
Speaker 1: It's curious a little bit, I guess. My point forty
Speaker 1: though he turned forty. My point is that if you're
Speaker 1: if it's one or the other and they're about the
Speaker 1: same as far as their abilities, and you happen to
Speaker 1: feel more comfortable with one or the other. And again
Speaker 1: that we're making a lot of suff We're assuming a
Speaker 1: lot here, but let's assume that the special team's coach
Speaker 1: Fossil just felt more comfortable with the guy that he
Speaker 1: had in with the RAMS. Then if I'm the organization
Speaker 1: and the contracts up on the other guy anyway, I mean,
Speaker 1: is it really that big a deal? Fine, bringing in
Speaker 1: the guy you feel comfortable as long as he's good,
Speaker 1: then you know, I don't really have a problem with
Speaker 1: it one way or the other. And so that's why
Speaker 1: for me, I just kind of was like, I get
Speaker 1: your point. Ever, I was kind of a little like
Speaker 1: my eyebrowery. He's like, really, why would they just make
Speaker 1: this swatchwa But at the end of the day, I
Speaker 1: was kind of like, well, this guy seems like he's
Speaker 1: just as good, So okay, fine, not that big a deal.
Speaker 1: If he was an undecorated, unexperienced player, I would probably
Speaker 1: be making a bigger deal of this. But he's been
Speaker 1: in the league for ten years in his own right,
Speaker 1: He's been two Pro Bowls. If that's who John Fossils
Speaker 1: doing it, I don't know, but he's I mean, he's
Speaker 1: been in the league since twenty eleven. So guys play
Speaker 1: a long time, play a ton like a long time.
Speaker 1: Probably four thirty five probably, I would say around thirty
Speaker 1: three thirty three, okay, yeah, so he could probably play
Speaker 1: another ten years maybe, And I think one year, I
Speaker 1: think one year that Fossil was there, I think all
Speaker 1: three RAMS specialists made the Pro Bowl. I think Zerline,
Speaker 1: I believe, and then mcquad. But I've told this to Dave.
Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like it's been two years since
Speaker 1: that happened. I mean, it's only been a week or so,
Speaker 1: but I mean, you know who wins off this Witten
Speaker 1: jc Witz, it gets to hold that record, baby games played.
Speaker 1: LP was at two fifty three chomping away on that cookie,
Speaker 1: ready to get him and not so fast, my friend,
Speaker 1: you like old league corso not so. But you know
Speaker 1: it could be interesting here too that that obviously we
Speaker 1: wouldn't know until we talked to Fossil and probably had
Speaker 1: to talk to him off the record to get this.
Speaker 1: But are there things and we saw it this last
Speaker 1: year he's unconvinced. We know that he does some unconventional things.
Speaker 1: Are there things that from a snapping standpoint that maybe
Speaker 1: there are some nuances that he looks at and he's like,
Speaker 1: I just don't think El Pete does that in the
Speaker 1: same way this other guys. Does it recognize a certain things,
Speaker 1: you know? I mean, if you're trying to run fakes
Speaker 1: and stuff, snapping the ball to a different person might
Speaker 1: be a little different. I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 1: a lot about the art of long snapping. But all
Speaker 1: I'm saying is I think right now we're making a
Speaker 1: lot of assumptions. I would love to talk to the
Speaker 1: special team's coach and find out what are the differences
Speaker 1: that you look at and a long snapper, because there
Speaker 1: may be some differences that we just aren't talking about them.
Speaker 1: You know, feel free to drag me, like, pull this
Speaker 1: show out of the receipts in October when he botches
Speaker 1: a snap. But I can't believe we're I'm just like,
Speaker 1: we don't want to. I just can't. But first of all,
Speaker 1: superstitions aren't real. Second of all, I can't believe we
Speaker 1: dedicated like eight minutes to the long snapper. That's right,
Speaker 1: guy Amber did that. Another as long as we're right,
Speaker 1: as long as we're talking, I thought of another one.
Speaker 1: Anthon Harris to Philadelphia one year, five million dollars. I
Speaker 1: have done that deal, which I won't mind as much
Speaker 1: if they come away with one of these guys that's
Speaker 1: visiting this week. I and it's draft bias for sure,
Speaker 1: But Malee Hooker was a hell of a college safety
Speaker 1: and he's shown that he can do it at a
Speaker 1: pretty high level when he's healthy. That would excite me.
Speaker 1: But Anthony Harris had six interceptions in twenty nineteen. He's
Speaker 1: played you know, he doesn't get hurt, He's he hasn't
Speaker 1: missed many games over the last three four years. One year,
Speaker 1: five million dollars. I would have done that for sure.
Speaker 1: So of those guys, let's switch to that. Of the
Speaker 1: guys that they have in here right now, do you
Speaker 1: have a favorite? Do you have a guy that you
Speaker 1: liked him to sign? Between Hooker and Kaze or like,
Speaker 1: what which one do you do you like most? Go ahead,
Speaker 1: cause he is a has been a ballhawk. I mean
Speaker 1: he's got seven interceptions one year and three another. So
Speaker 1: you like that. Um, what you don't like is that,
Speaker 1: you know, Zeke didn't have a lot of highlights last
Speaker 1: year Ezekiel Elliott. One of them was he trucked over
Speaker 1: because in the end zone and almost I mean I
Speaker 1: hurt him, remember the touchdown against the Falcons where I
Speaker 1: mean he took him. He just got up like last
Speaker 1: week from that he was already in Dallas. They're like,
Speaker 1: why didn't you bring me here? So now we do
Speaker 1: need to do a medical on you. But from a
Speaker 1: safety standpoint, you don't love that mar That's why that
Speaker 1: Keyan O'Neil's here. Today's exactly. I was just kN O'Neil
Speaker 1: is here to hit Zeke Demantekauze Casey stay thirty yards
Speaker 1: behind the last. You stay back there. And I mean
Speaker 1: if if Zeke gets through to you, which one is
Speaker 1: which one's coming off the Achilles CAZy which and what
Speaker 1: is Hooker coming off of. I've looked this up a
Speaker 1: million times and I always forget he's had two back
Speaker 1: to back. He had an acl and Achilles smith but
Speaker 1: he did play play last year. He was not hurt
Speaker 1: last year. Um. Yes, Hooker's coming off in Achilles from
Speaker 1: week two of last season. So both the safeties they
Speaker 1: have in today and that's why they're here. Like visits
Speaker 1: are not a thing in the NFL anymore unless they
Speaker 1: you know, the Cowboys want to take a look and see,
Speaker 1: you know, how you recovering, how you moving, But what's
Speaker 1: your timetables? Looking at him? You know physicals too, So um,
Speaker 1: I mean that used to scare me more. You know,
Speaker 1: the the Achilles injury, especially for a defensive back. You know,
Speaker 1: I think Barry Church had it twenty twelve or thirteen.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys actually signed him. He was he was having
Speaker 1: a pretty good, you know, career two or three years
Speaker 1: and he gets an achilles injury and the Cowboys signed
Speaker 1: him immediately and said four or five year deal cheap probably,
Speaker 1: but they made a commitment to him, and he you know,
Speaker 1: it was it was a good player. You know, it
Speaker 1: was a bargain. He was a bargain then. But I
Speaker 1: don't think you saw any effects of the Achilles for him.
Speaker 1: He was never a guy that could run super fast
Speaker 1: for a safety. Hope, Barry he's not well. I mean,
Speaker 1: Barry was a don't think he would argue all Mac
Speaker 1: player from Toledo four years in a row, freshman to senior.
Speaker 1: Wasn't drafted. There's because he probably I think he ran
Speaker 1: a four seven for eight, but he could play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, and I think the Akiller's injury really
Speaker 1: didn't affect him from that standpoint. So I you know,
Speaker 1: if they come back, and yeah, I'd like either one
Speaker 1: of them would help. And I'm curious where they all
Speaker 1: fit into this, because Donan Wilson can play. He's got
Speaker 1: a spot somewhere, and so I'm curious to see, you know, O'Neill.
Speaker 1: There's been talk of a linebacker role for him. So
Speaker 1: let's assume for a second that they signed one of
Speaker 1: these two guys you could take, which every choice you
Speaker 1: liked of the two, and then you combine that with
Speaker 1: Kean O'Neill. Do you feel like the Cowboys may have
Speaker 1: something finally at safety between the combination that gets them
Speaker 1: farther a hit than where they've been over the last
Speaker 1: several years, or do you think that still is a huge,
Speaker 1: huge area of weakness for them going into the draft.
Speaker 1: I think I will again, like, I will feel optimistic, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but these are I guarantee you if one of them signs,
Speaker 1: it'll be a one or two year deal. Prove it,
Speaker 1: see what we can get, so it won't be long
Speaker 1: term fixed. And I will be optimistic that the safety
Speaker 1: position has the potential to be better than it hasn't
Speaker 1: a long long time, but I'm not going to bank
Speaker 1: on it. Like, I would absolutely still draft a safety
Speaker 1: in the top one hundred if it fell that way,
Speaker 1: wouldn't even think twice about it, even if he's mainly
Speaker 1: a special teamer as a rookie, I don't care. So
Speaker 1: I would feel optimistic, but like not confident. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you're not going to take one at number ten. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't believe there is one that you would take that.
Speaker 1: I've not heard of one I don't study it every
Speaker 1: day like Dave, but there's I mean, I don't even
Speaker 1: know if you trade down, let's say to a fifteen
Speaker 1: or sixteen, that would still be a reach to take
Speaker 1: a safety there. So I mean we at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, you never fully know. Like the biggest
Speaker 1: example I can think of is the Raiders drafted Cleveland
Speaker 1: Farrell in the top five a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: Nobody saw that coming. Like, all these teams have different
Speaker 1: grades on these guys, but conventional wisdom says the best
Speaker 1: safety in the draft is probably TCUs Tryvan Morrig, and
Speaker 1: I would be shocked if he gets drafted before you know,
Speaker 1: if he gets drafted in the top like twenty five,
Speaker 1: I would be pretty surprised. Yeah. So yeah, So you know,
Speaker 1: once you get out of the first round, then you're
Speaker 1: talking about second round and on and just about every
Speaker 1: position other than quarterback you would consider at that at
Speaker 1: that I mean even running back if you wanted to.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could you consider all positions in the
Speaker 1: second round, you know, And we saw what they did
Speaker 1: with Ceedee Lamb, which, by the way, this morning, at
Speaker 1: like six thirty in the morning, I wake up or
Speaker 1: whatever time it was, and I started thinking of the
Speaker 1: Chase one Calevon, Yeah, like, what did he do last year? Nothing?
Speaker 1: He really didn't. He's a rotational guy. He had one sack, so,
Speaker 1: which is exactly on the trek trajectory of of of
Speaker 1: the Cowboys defensive end pick from a few years ago.
Speaker 1: The time. I'm not going to pretend that I watched
Speaker 1: all of I don't think I watched the snap of
Speaker 1: Jaguars football last year. But that's what we said Jason
Speaker 1: would be all last year. Like people at like don't
Speaker 1: get it twisted. That's what we said. We were like,
Speaker 1: if you draft this guy, you're doing it as a
Speaker 1: long term project and hoping he gets better. He ain't
Speaker 1: gonna be anything more than a rotational guy as a rookie,
Speaker 1: and that's why you should draft Ceedee lamb Like, it's
Speaker 1: very obvious which one is better. So all right, we're
Speaker 1: gonna take our first break and we come back. We're
Speaker 1: gonna dive into these players that the Cowboys did sign
Speaker 1: and also some of the guys that they lost and
Speaker 1: get some opinions on where the guys they signed may
Speaker 1: fit and how much of a loss some of those
Speaker 1: guys that they lost will be. We'll talk about that
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Speaker 1: Welcome back. It is a second segment of The Break
Speaker 1: Live from the SWBC Mortage studio at the Stars, Nick
Speaker 1: and Dave and Amber and we're talking Cowboys football. We're
Speaker 1: talking about free agency. We're about a weekend at this point,
Speaker 1: and so let's go through some of these additions that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have made. I want you guys to talk
Speaker 1: to me. I'll throw out a name, and I want
Speaker 1: you guys to give me your thoughts on the signing
Speaker 1: and where you think they fit, because there are some
Speaker 1: interesting ones in here, particularly the first one we went
Speaker 1: to get to about where they fit and how the
Speaker 1: Cowboys may use him. Let's start with safety Kean O'Neil.
Speaker 1: He was originally a first round pick seventeenth overall pick
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen of the Falcons. He signed a one year,
Speaker 1: four million dollar deal, three million of that is guaranteed.
Speaker 1: What do you think of the signing and where does
Speaker 1: he fit? Well? I think that it's he's a guy
Speaker 1: that's going to probably play closer to the line of
Speaker 1: scrimmage and then back. He's had three healthy years. He
Speaker 1: gets a hundred tackles every time in those three years,
Speaker 1: and so you know, there's been some talking he's going
Speaker 1: to play some linebacker. This scheme is going to be
Speaker 1: a little bit different. I think that he'll you know,
Speaker 1: right now, we're calling him a safety. You know, that's
Speaker 1: what everybody that's been on record to talk about it
Speaker 1: has said has said nothing different than that, because there
Speaker 1: hasn't been anyone talking about it. So we call him
Speaker 1: a safety. But I think he could play closer to
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. I think, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: people get too caught up in trying to label. I
Speaker 1: think he's going to do a lot of stuff. I
Speaker 1: think I think it's probably their best signing so far.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to pump him up as the answer
Speaker 1: to all of their defensive woes, but this is a
Speaker 1: great intersection of talented player who's still young. He's only
Speaker 1: twenty five, he's been new a Pro Bowl. He's had
Speaker 1: some injuries, but to Nick's point, when he's been healthy,
Speaker 1: he's been productive, he's not your center fielder, he's not
Speaker 1: that guy, but he's a thumper. He's going to tackle everybody.
Speaker 1: I would play him at strong safety close to the line.
Speaker 1: Don't freak out about Donovan Wilson because he can move
Speaker 1: down Like, no, he's not gonna play will linebacker all
Speaker 1: the time, but he can play nickel linebacker. Wouldn't be
Speaker 1: shocked if he's your linebacker in dime packages just to
Speaker 1: get speed on the field. That was what you're saying,
Speaker 1: maybe half basically, what would be three safeties with him
Speaker 1: being a linebacker. Yeah, sure, and we've seen I know
Speaker 1: it was Rod not dan Quinn, but we've seen them
Speaker 1: play three safeties back at times as well. They did
Speaker 1: that with JJ Wilcox when he was still here. Jeff
Speaker 1: Heath kind of got his break as that third safety,
Speaker 1: so he could do that. I won't I won't be
Speaker 1: surprised at all if he played like him and Layton
Speaker 1: could play nicol linebacker in obvious passing situations because that
Speaker 1: was Jalen's biggest problem arguably last year. So yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: that's the thing, and that's great. You can you know,
Speaker 1: you can find three or four different roles for him,
Speaker 1: So like I said, I'm not trying to I don't
Speaker 1: know if he's Jamal Adams, but he could be that
Speaker 1: type of guy, and I think that's the type of
Speaker 1: signing I like to see them do. For sure. I
Speaker 1: do have a doubt or more of a question for
Speaker 1: you guys in general, as I look at the whole
Speaker 1: list of free agent guys that they've signed, and I
Speaker 1: know it's very common throughout the league for players to
Speaker 1: have some type of versatility where they can switch around
Speaker 1: from place to place, you know, But a lot of
Speaker 1: these guys, like we just talked about Neil and then
Speaker 1: these other defensive players that it's whether tackle or defensive end,
Speaker 1: like where are you at? And I get it. We
Speaker 1: don't like to label or whatever, and it depends on
Speaker 1: the scheme or and all that. But I can't help
Speaker 1: but always think about Tyrone Crawford, and I know he
Speaker 1: was a key guy because you need guys like that,
Speaker 1: But in general, I mean, is it more of a
Speaker 1: problem or a concern or like to have so many
Speaker 1: guys that have that kind of versatility, or is it
Speaker 1: better to have a guy that has a specific role
Speaker 1: assigned and focus on a specific place on the field.
Speaker 1: Slash scheme. Do you guys see that like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: do you see the versatility as a pro or could
Speaker 1: that actually come back and bite them in the butt
Speaker 1: type of stuff like you've been talking about that for years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in this particular case, I don't think it's a major
Speaker 1: issue because like for Tyrone Crawford, you know, yeah, oh
Speaker 1: he could play inside, he could play outside. But like
Speaker 1: in the offseason, he's got to figure out do I
Speaker 1: wait two nineties or I need to wait two sixty
Speaker 1: five to seventy? Am I gonna play end? Am I
Speaker 1: gonna play tackle? Because and that's a big difference. But
Speaker 1: I think for Neil, I think what Dave is saying
Speaker 1: about how they're gonna play him is first and second down,
Speaker 1: maybe over here, third down, closer to the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: I think he's just gonna I think he understands the scheme.
Speaker 1: So I don't think I think they know exactly how
Speaker 1: they're gonna play him. We may not know, And so
Speaker 1: we look at it like is he a linebackers he safety?
Speaker 1: I think he's you know, Darren Woodson played linebacker on
Speaker 1: Nickel Kenny Gant the Shark. He played linebacker and nickel.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just how you want to play a
Speaker 1: fast guys down in a in a situation like that.
Speaker 1: So he's gonna play I think, the same body level
Speaker 1: that he was, and he's a veteran. He understands where
Speaker 1: he's doing. So it's a great question. But I don't
Speaker 1: think as as far as a safety who might play
Speaker 1: some linebacker, I don't think it's that big a difference
Speaker 1: the rest of the guys. I mean, I know we're
Speaker 1: about to go through them, eat each of them, but
Speaker 1: just in general, a general idea, you think that they
Speaker 1: go into the season kind of having a role for
Speaker 1: each guy or kind of you know, because we hear
Speaker 1: it prior to the season started, like press conferences at
Speaker 1: the draft that we hear like Steven Jones be like, well,
Speaker 1: if we need him at a safety or a corner,
Speaker 1: we can switch. Here's the thing you got a factor in.
Speaker 1: Here's what we don't know yet. Is this going to
Speaker 1: be a four to three or a hybrid four three
Speaker 1: three four? Right? If this is going to be the
Speaker 1: kind of defense where they're gonna morph based upon kind
Speaker 1: of the situation. Sometimes they have four down line and
Speaker 1: sometimes they will morph intwo or three four. If they're
Speaker 1: going to do that, they need some guys that are flexible,
Speaker 1: like like, for example, if you bring in a guy Terrell,
Speaker 1: bash them if you bring him in. He is that
Speaker 1: type of stand up He's been that traditional stand up
Speaker 1: outside linebacker that you would think can also slide down
Speaker 1: and become a hand on the ground own defensive end. Right,
Speaker 1: But you can need those kind of guys that can
Speaker 1: do either. Randy Gregor would be another guy that's like that.
Speaker 1: So you would need that sort of versatility if you're
Speaker 1: going to be that kind of defense and those defenses,
Speaker 1: and there are some around the league that do that,
Speaker 1: that kind of morph between different fronts based upon what
Speaker 1: the situation is in the game and based upon the opponent.
Speaker 1: So I do think that that has to be factored in.
Speaker 1: And we don't know that yet. We haven't nobody in
Speaker 1: this room has had a chance to talk to Dan Quinn,
Speaker 1: so we don't know what his thoughts are. And even
Speaker 1: when we do talk to him, I'm not sure he's
Speaker 1: going to be as fourth. Right with that, we might
Speaker 1: not know that until we get to training camp or
Speaker 1: until we get to the season. So all I'm saying
Speaker 1: is with regards of versatility, I think we have to
Speaker 1: wait and learn more about that. And if they are
Speaker 1: going to be a hybrid defense, then they're gonna need versail. Guys.
Speaker 1: Everybody's gonna have to be versatile and be able to
Speaker 1: move around based upon the front that they're playing. I
Speaker 1: guess that's the aspect that I keep forgetting about that.
Speaker 1: We do have a new guy, dan Quinn, and we
Speaker 1: don't know how he thinks, but I guess my mentality
Speaker 1: and judgment goes more based on what we've seen in
Speaker 1: the past and what the things that we've heard in
Speaker 1: the past. It's like, okay, but I do okay. We
Speaker 1: have not heard from dan Quinn and we have no
Speaker 1: idea what his plan is. So that's a yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a good point. Yeah. I think Urban, Brent Urban is
Speaker 1: gonna be the Tyrone Crawford um of you know this
Speaker 1: this type this team, because I mean, he's played some
Speaker 1: defensive end, he's played some tackle, he's played in a
Speaker 1: three to four and in a four to three, so
Speaker 1: you know, And as it was, I have I have
Speaker 1: a good friend who's a big time Bears fan, and
Speaker 1: he told me good solid player, nothing flashy, but he's
Speaker 1: dependable and he'll he'll get the job to About Crawford,
Speaker 1: they were talking about it was funny, but that's my point.
Speaker 1: He sent that to me about Urban and I said,
Speaker 1: that's funny. I could say the exact same thing about
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton, who you just signed. He was like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the money's different, so it's not that's not what you
Speaker 1: want for your quarterback. Dependable, flashy, gonna get the job done.
Speaker 1: For the most part, nothing great, all right. I will
Speaker 1: say this though, too, about Keyan O'Neil. If you remember
Speaker 1: back to that that team at Atlanta put on the
Speaker 1: field that went to the Super Bowl, he was that
Speaker 1: defense was pretty good that year, and he was one
Speaker 1: of the leaders of that defense. He was one of
Speaker 1: the better players on that defense. And I think that's
Speaker 1: the part that makes me a little bit optimistic of
Speaker 1: what he can be here. Now. Again, that was years ago,
Speaker 1: but at that time they had they had that defense
Speaker 1: was flying around and there were a lot of people
Speaker 1: that thought that. Of course their offense was really really good,
Speaker 1: but a lot of people thought that they were on
Speaker 1: their way to making that defense in the mold of
Speaker 1: what they had in Seattle and things just kind of
Speaker 1: fell apart on him. A lot of that had to
Speaker 1: do with injuries, but certainly he has that kind of
Speaker 1: ability and we'll see if he can recreate that here
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys. One of the questions I have for
Speaker 1: you guys on Keian O'Neil, are you at all concerned
Speaker 1: because he is the same type of player to some
Speaker 1: degree as Wilson And as you said, Nick, we believe
Speaker 1: that Donovan Wilson can play. Are you all concerned about
Speaker 1: now basically him having to take a step back with
Speaker 1: regards to his time on the field because the project
Speaker 1: we would project, I would think right now most of
Speaker 1: us probably project the Kiano Neil making four million dollars
Speaker 1: this year is going to be your starter. Are you
Speaker 1: all concerned that Wilson's gonna have to take a step
Speaker 1: back and not necessarily get as mini STAPs as he
Speaker 1: would get otherwise? Ha ha. Clinton Dix was making three
Speaker 1: and a half, So great point, just saying they, I mean,
Speaker 1: and I like the Keanu at at with the Cowboys
Speaker 1: track record of adding quality free agents, should I just
Speaker 1: assume you're saying that's not even fair. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't trust that this is going to work,
Speaker 1: at least not completely. They don't. They don't deserve that
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt in my opinion. UM, I think
Speaker 1: Kean O'Neil will make the team and start and be
Speaker 1: pretty good. So so with that being said, are you
Speaker 1: concerned about Wilson in his development? No, Like there's I
Speaker 1: think they play eleven hundred snaps a season. They're like,
Speaker 1: there's more than enough to go around. Um, I like,
Speaker 1: I hesitate to say this because there's no way to
Speaker 1: say it without sounding like a hater. Donovan Wilson looked
Speaker 1: great last year. I'm not convinced that, like he's not
Speaker 1: so good that I'm like, well, he's like, you gotta
Speaker 1: he's gotta be on the field. You gotta like like, no,
Speaker 1: go to training camp and somebody will emerge and it'll
Speaker 1: be fine. Well that's basically how I feel about it.
Speaker 1: Most of the time. Those guys, you know, can play together.
Speaker 1: I mean, most safeties are interchangeable and you can play
Speaker 1: them that way. These guys, neither one of them is
Speaker 1: a center fielder type, so I wouldn't think you're gonna
Speaker 1: put them on the field if it's only two safeties
Speaker 1: on the field. I wouldn't think youre going to play
Speaker 1: them together, right or am I'm missing something? What about
Speaker 1: what we just? I mean, how much time to teams
Speaker 1: spend in nickel and dime these days? So you can
Speaker 1: move Kean O'Neil down and Nickel roll and have Donovan
Speaker 1: Wilson be your strong safety like and that's kinda to
Speaker 1: go back to your point. Ag is in my mind
Speaker 1: in the modern NFL, and this is simplistic, but like
Speaker 1: the only the only positions that are fixed on the
Speaker 1: back end are the boundary corners, like you need two
Speaker 1: guys out there covering the two main wide receivers. Everything
Speaker 1: else is just sort of nebulous, Like I mean, the
Speaker 1: Patriots are a perfect example of that, Like they never
Speaker 1: look the same. They got guys wandering all over the place.
Speaker 1: Somebody's up, somebody's down. Yeah, So that just there's a
Speaker 1: million roles to go around, and if you can play football,
Speaker 1: you'll be on the field. You had two interceptions last
Speaker 1: year Wilson, and I believe both of them if I
Speaker 1: remember correctly, we're both. He was kind of playing in
Speaker 1: center field and kind of made a play. One of
Speaker 1: the ball bounced to him. Um, but with this, with
Speaker 1: this team and interceptions, I mean, the ball just doesn't
Speaker 1: bounce to a lot of players, so it happens. He
Speaker 1: also made a nice play on the ball for an interception,
Speaker 1: and I guess the forty nine ers game where you know,
Speaker 1: made a play. So I think he can. I don't
Speaker 1: think he's your ball hawk for you pretty safety, but
Speaker 1: you think he could in situation he could. I think
Speaker 1: he needs to be on the field. I think he's
Speaker 1: going to continue to get better. I wouldn't worry about it.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just funny. It's like here we are,
Speaker 1: we're talking about you think we could have too many safeties,
Speaker 1: Like that's a great point, and again that's laughable. I
Speaker 1: have a high opinion of Donovan Wilson, so I'm like
Speaker 1: reluctant to say this, but it's kind of you know,
Speaker 1: all through last week, people were like, what do you
Speaker 1: mean we're not adding new talent? This defense was awful,
Speaker 1: the worst ever. They're so bad, and then Donovan Wilson
Speaker 1: comes up in conversation, it's like, well, he's amazing, Like
Speaker 1: you know, like you can't you can't mess with Donovan
Speaker 1: Wilson's playing time. And I just I think he's a
Speaker 1: promising young player, but I'm just I'm not as ready
Speaker 1: to annoint him as some people are. All right, let's
Speaker 1: jump to offensive tackle, tie and Secky. I hope I'm
Speaker 1: pronouncing that correctly. Is that Secky correct? All right? So
Speaker 1: he was an undrafted player back in twenty twelve with
Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts. Cowboys signed him to a one year,
Speaker 1: one point seven five million dollars deal five hundred thousand
Speaker 1: dollars that guaranteed he will be the guy that is projected.
Speaker 1: I think we all project him to be your swing
Speaker 1: tackle because Cam Irving has now left the building. What
Speaker 1: do you think of the signing? Where does he fit
Speaker 1: and is it good enough as your swing tackle in
Speaker 1: a situation because this is the key where both your
Speaker 1: starting tackles are coming off season ending injuries last year.
Speaker 1: I hope they don't think so. I mean, that's that's
Speaker 1: my answer. I guess. I mean, that's it's fine. That's
Speaker 1: what they do every year. And for the most part,
Speaker 1: these guys haven't been great, but they haven't been terrible.
Speaker 1: Cam Fleming handled it okay at times. Irving when he
Speaker 1: got a chance later in the season, he was okay,
Speaker 1: but especially like one year deal for a thirty five
Speaker 1: year old player who I think Rob Rob pointed this
Speaker 1: out that he's got two more starts in his career
Speaker 1: than Terrence Steele made last year. So yeah, it wasn't
Speaker 1: really an upgrade. All yeah, that's what we're talking. And
Speaker 1: I will say, I love this guy's story. It's awesome.
Speaker 1: Undrafted player in two thousand and nine, kicked around the
Speaker 1: Arena League for like four years, had a cup of
Speaker 1: coffee in the NFL, got sent back to the Arena League,
Speaker 1: went to this Canadian Football League, and then finally played
Speaker 1: well enough to stick around in Washington for a few years.
Speaker 1: And this is his third free agent deal, So like,
Speaker 1: so much respect for the grind, like to I mean,
Speaker 1: and he's turned it into like a viable career. But
Speaker 1: if a good offensive tackle comes up on the board
Speaker 1: next month during the draft and the you know, first, second, third, fourth,
Speaker 1: whatever round and they're like, I think we're good because
Speaker 1: we got tie, Like, no, come on, man, that's not
Speaker 1: good team building. Yeah, he he was in a good
Speaker 1: situation in Washington because you know, their guys were hurt
Speaker 1: all the time. You know, it seems like every time
Speaker 1: the Cowboys were going to face them, it was like, well,
Speaker 1: they're their lines beat up and they got to play
Speaker 1: this guy. He can't even pronounce his name. He has
Speaker 1: to play right tackle. I mean, he didn't play a
Speaker 1: lot of starts, but he's played a lot of games
Speaker 1: because Washington always had injuries on the offensive line, So
Speaker 1: you know that. I think I agree with Dave. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's just he's he'd be a good guy to have.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's a training camp body, because that's
Speaker 1: that's a lot of money for that. But yeah, that's
Speaker 1: how I see it. When I heard about tackle, I'm like, oh, yeah, tackle,
Speaker 1: we need one. And then I started reading about him
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, oh okay, this just sounds more
Speaker 1: like a body too high. He's in there. Here's the
Speaker 1: thing that I've said for fifteen years about this team
Speaker 1: that needs to be better at and all teams need
Speaker 1: to be good from the top to the bottom. You
Speaker 1: need to be good from one to fifty three. One
Speaker 1: to ten. Cowboys are just as good as anybody, almost,
Speaker 1: but one to fifty three when there's injuries, you gotta
Speaker 1: have some depth. You can't get there without making moves
Speaker 1: like this. That's just that's that's part of it. It's
Speaker 1: the moves like Insecchi and Urban and bash them. I
Speaker 1: think might be a little bit more than that. But
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, like, if they signed a guy
Speaker 1: today I forgot his name, they're bringing in the other
Speaker 1: safety to throw. I mean, he's not you know, that's
Speaker 1: like your Kennedy type guy that they tried to get
Speaker 1: last year. You have to fill the roster with players
Speaker 1: they you know they can play, and they're not all
Speaker 1: going to be projected Pro bowlers. And I will say
Speaker 1: this too. I I just sort of talked down on
Speaker 1: Tye and Secky, but and I think I think they'll
Speaker 1: draft a guy, maybe not with the tenth overall pick,
Speaker 1: but I bet they'll draft a tackle next month somewhere.
Speaker 1: And so if you take a draft pick, ty Terrence
Speaker 1: Steele has made fourteen starts. You can talk trash about
Speaker 1: them all you want, but that's valuable. Brandon Knights made twenty.
Speaker 1: That's four pretty decent options behind one of the best
Speaker 1: duos in football if they're healthy. So all of that told,
Speaker 1: I feel really good about the position overall. I just
Speaker 1: don't know if tie and Secki himself is the answer
Speaker 1: to that problem. So with that being said, would you guys,
Speaker 1: are you guys on board with the route that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys seem to be taking or do you think they
Speaker 1: should have gone the route of paying cam Irving? Basically?
Speaker 1: What he got he got a two year deal for
Speaker 1: ten million dollars guarantee he would not know. Okay, absolutely not.
Speaker 1: They got a I think they're in line for like
Speaker 1: a sixth round com pick and cam Irving played like
Speaker 1: five games last year. I heard lot I no offense
Speaker 1: to the Carolina Panthers, but that one kind of made
Speaker 1: my eyebrows perk up a little bit. It Honestly, I've
Speaker 1: I've always wondered this. You know, the coaching staff here
Speaker 1: made the conscious choice, because this was before he was hurt.
Speaker 1: They made the conscious choice that they liked, that they
Speaker 1: seemed to like the other young tackles over yeah, cam Irving,
Speaker 1: and that to me spoke volumes. And so when I
Speaker 1: saw this deal, it made me think either they grossly
Speaker 1: misevaluated him or the Panthers are grossly misevaluating him. But
Speaker 1: somebody grossly misevaluated this guy, right, There's just only so
Speaker 1: many capable offensive tackles in the NFL right now, like
Speaker 1: that's you gotta do it. It's it's like quarterbacks, Like
Speaker 1: I bet the Panthers were like, I can't believe we're
Speaker 1: doing this, but it's better than whatever's already here. Who
Speaker 1: got side first? And Sechi or or cam Irving was
Speaker 1: like one of the first things that happened on one day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they could have gotten Inseci maybe, Yeah. Good. I
Speaker 1: wonder if he's gonna be their start. I wonder if
Speaker 1: he's penciled as a start. The difference is is that
Speaker 1: Cam Irving. First of all, you can pronounce his name.
Speaker 1: Second of all, he was a first round pick. Third,
Speaker 1: he's not thirty five years old. I mean like he's
Speaker 1: this guy's been around. It wouldn't surprise me if if
Speaker 1: he doesn't make the team for the Cowboys. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: wan'ts surprise. I wouldn't shock me. But with what Dave said,
Speaker 1: drafting a guy and and heck they might even get
Speaker 1: another you know, Terrence Steele in the undrafted free agent
Speaker 1: you get you can start putting these guys together, and
Speaker 1: it all start with the two starters. If they're looking
Speaker 1: good and feeling good, then you're like maybe, I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe he's not he's not gonna make it. He's not
Speaker 1: making a lot of money, so yeah, it's a career backup.
Speaker 1: It might be cheaper to keep it. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a single guy they sign that
Speaker 1: they're married to for the money. So we're just going
Speaker 1: with the puns. You're on the marriage ry. Sorry, all right,
Speaker 1: We're gonna take our final break. We come back. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk a couple of other guys Cowboys signed, Carlos Watkins,
Speaker 1: Brent Urban Terrell, bash them, talk about where they fit
Speaker 1: and how great these signings are for the Cowboys. Doton,
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Speaker 1: Welcome back. Final segment of the Break. Life in the
Speaker 1: s WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star, we're talking about
Speaker 1: free agency. I want to package these three guys together
Speaker 1: because they seem like they all kind of came in
Speaker 1: pretty quick together. I know they all came in to
Speaker 1: sign together, but Carlos Watkins was a defensive tackle, fourth
Speaker 1: round pick of the of the Houston Techans back Texans
Speaker 1: back in twenty seventeen. Cowboys signed him to a one year,
Speaker 1: one point seven five million dollar deal four hundred thousand guaranteed.
Speaker 1: Brent Urban defensive end. He was a third round pick
Speaker 1: of the Baltimore Ravens back in twenty fourteen. Has played
Speaker 1: with Tennessee in Chicago since then. He also assigned to
Speaker 1: a one year deal one point seven five million, although
Speaker 1: all of his one point seven five is guaranteed. And
Speaker 1: then you had defensive end to Roll Basham, who was
Speaker 1: a third round pick of the Jets back in twenty
Speaker 1: seventeen Colts he was traded to the Jet or now
Speaker 1: he was released and claimed by the Jets. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: got it. Sorry, And then he was signed to a
Speaker 1: two year deal six point five million. Obviously, his money's
Speaker 1: very different than the other two. Talk to me about
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys may have been getting with these three
Speaker 1: players and maybe how they all fit into this defense
Speaker 1: that obviously we've all talked about needs a ton of help,
Speaker 1: I think. I mean, to Nick's point from the last segment,
Speaker 1: Urban is intriguing, I think, and I you know, take
Speaker 1: this with a grain of salt, but pro football Focus
Speaker 1: graded him as one of the five highest graded run
Speaker 1: defenders in the league. So this is, yeah, bring it all.
Speaker 1: This is a guy who's here with p when we're
Speaker 1: talking about Carlos Watkins. Oh, I know, I know. Is
Speaker 1: that a foreshadowing? With all due respect to Carlos Watkins.
Speaker 1: That's that's a that's a body amber like I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's nothing that I've read or seen
Speaker 1: or heard leads me to believe that anybody should be like,
Speaker 1: super duper excited about that. He could probably crack the rotation.
Speaker 1: I think he was last in the of defense in
Speaker 1: the entire league for run stoppers or something like that. Yeah, which,
Speaker 1: well he can relate to that, yeah, little Yeah, they
Speaker 1: can actually, And that's that's why they signed Urban. Maybe
Speaker 1: not so much Watkins, but trying to beef up the
Speaker 1: worst run defense in the NFL. Good thing. You already
Speaker 1: got some defensive tackles. This is yeah, yeah, they I
Speaker 1: think this is this is peak Cowboys is to just
Speaker 1: throw contracts at a problem spot to say, all right,
Speaker 1: we now have five defensive tackles. Tristan Hill, Neville Gallimore,
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods, these two new guys. If we can't find
Speaker 1: one in the draft. We're not screwed, but we don't
Speaker 1: have to be married to any of these guys. Like
Speaker 1: I said, Urban, at least statistically, you see things there
Speaker 1: that you're like, Okay, Like, you know, this isn't this
Speaker 1: is an Endomican sue. But this guy could come in
Speaker 1: and do some dirty work and be a real benefit.
Speaker 1: I don't know so much about Watkins. Basham is interesting
Speaker 1: just because he was a Cowboys target in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: There were two schools of thought. They went after their
Speaker 1: pass rusher in the first round and then dealt with
Speaker 1: the defensive with the secondary later. They could have gone
Speaker 1: the other way, and I think Basham would have been
Speaker 1: one of their picks on Day two if that had
Speaker 1: been the case. So maybe they draft Kevin King with
Speaker 1: the twenty eighth overall pick or whatever, and then they
Speaker 1: could have drafted ash them later on. They obviously didn't
Speaker 1: go that way, but so the interest was there. This
Speaker 1: was a top one hundred draft pick, a guy that
Speaker 1: they liked a lot. He's had moments, but I would
Speaker 1: say for a guy drafted in the top one hundred,
Speaker 1: I'd say, you know, the first four years of his
Speaker 1: career probably you would call that a disappointment. But get
Speaker 1: him in here and see what he can do. And
Speaker 1: at the very worst, he's a rotational guy. What was
Speaker 1: the question? I mean, I just all that again. It
Speaker 1: just we're just trying to figure out what you think
Speaker 1: of the of the signings, how they fit in. I
Speaker 1: think I think those three guys, I feel like they've
Speaker 1: all have some three four background, you know, So which
Speaker 1: is an interesting note, right, you know, because and that's
Speaker 1: the thing, you know, we're just trying to figure out,
Speaker 1: like for for graphics on social media, is the offensive end?
Speaker 1: Is he a linebacker? What do we call an urban?
Speaker 1: What are we calling these guys? And those are good
Speaker 1: questions because in that scheme they were this for everything
Speaker 1: we've been told it's still a four three scheme here,
Speaker 1: but it might not be, I you know, it might
Speaker 1: it might be a little bit more in the hybrid roles.
Speaker 1: So I think that they've got some position like guys,
Speaker 1: and and like you said earlier in the show, that's
Speaker 1: important if you if your scheme is going to be
Speaker 1: if flexible. If that's the case, then certainly these players
Speaker 1: have to be right. And we won't know that for
Speaker 1: a while. Probably won't know that till training camp of
Speaker 1: the season. Yeah, it is. It is interesting. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure the Colts were running a four three when
Speaker 1: they drafted Basham, but the Jets are three four all
Speaker 1: the way. And so he was a stand up linebacker.
Speaker 1: So he's got that in his toolkit. I guess, um,
Speaker 1: I think I can pull that up. I think he
Speaker 1: had his most sacks last year for the Jets. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I believe, which I mean it was like, yeah, I was,
Speaker 1: I mean three and a half. Not saying he had
Speaker 1: twelve sacks or anything like that, but he so he
Speaker 1: was successful in that scheme at least to a degree.
Speaker 1: How does it work again, when it comes to these
Speaker 1: types of contract I know that ideally, if free agent guys,
Speaker 1: you want to make sure you they're good enough for
Speaker 1: you to keep at least for that season. But just
Speaker 1: in general, let's say that we're too draft a guy
Speaker 1: he's looking pretty good, and then this other free agent
Speaker 1: guy is not looking that good and it's just kind
Speaker 1: of taking up space. Example. Yes, how does it work
Speaker 1: as far as like money wise, they do you lose
Speaker 1: a lot of money or like does that affect you?
Speaker 1: Derek's point it depends on the guarantees. What did you
Speaker 1: say was Watkins's guarantees Watkins four hundred thousand, which sure
Speaker 1: they're good. That's pennies about the NFL money like they
Speaker 1: can drop that anytime candidate. Hey, I at things, Yeah
Speaker 1: maybe maybe, um, I don't know specifically. I saw Todd
Speaker 1: Archer broke down Kiano's contract. There's not a lot here
Speaker 1: that would like prohibit them from getting rid of any
Speaker 1: of these guys if they needed to. And then you
Speaker 1: made the point with with hah the mount that they
Speaker 1: had the Garls guaranteed for him. You don't want to, like,
Speaker 1: you don't want to do that. That's a that's a goof.
Speaker 1: If you give a guy two or three million guarantee
Speaker 1: and wind up cutting him before he plays a game
Speaker 1: for you, that's not good. But you can still do it.
Speaker 1: And that's also among many reasons why they're probably not
Speaker 1: going to use every dime of cap space is you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta sign your draft class, You got to have
Speaker 1: money to sign guys later in the season, and also
Speaker 1: maybe eat a little bit of money if you need
Speaker 1: to get rid of some people. And I think it's
Speaker 1: worth noting that you know these guys from the Falcons.
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn was the head coach and you know, ran
Speaker 1: their defense for the most part. And Joe Wit their
Speaker 1: secondary coach, who's now the secondary coach for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: You know, yes, you have ties to these players. Haha.
Speaker 1: Was drafted by Mike McCarthy and Green Bay. He had ties.
Speaker 1: They brought him in. He also cut him and I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody in the league picked him up. I
Speaker 1: didn't hear about it. He spent he spent a little
Speaker 1: bit of time on Buffalo's practice squad, but I don't
Speaker 1: think he actually played last Okay, So I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I think we all we always make a big point
Speaker 1: of that. Well, he knows him there, so they're probably
Speaker 1: going to resign them. Well, yeah, what if they hated
Speaker 1: each other? What if he was like, I hate this guy,
Speaker 1: I'm never going to play for you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Just because you have ties doesn't necessarily mean So obviously
Speaker 1: he was good ties with Atlanta, but I mean not
Speaker 1: to the point where you can't cut him if it's
Speaker 1: not working out. Keyan O'Neill has three million of his
Speaker 1: contract guaranteed, which I would be surprised. I would be surprised,
Speaker 1: but I don't if they just absolutely feel like they
Speaker 1: have to. I think they could. Um, it was a
Speaker 1: while ago at this point, but they remember Jasper Brinkley.
Speaker 1: He was like two and a half three million guaranteed
Speaker 1: and they cut him at the end of Camp two.
Speaker 1: So it's doable. Not ideal, but doable. I'll say this.
Speaker 1: He's also a different caliber player in mind. I want
Speaker 1: to be clear. I think Kean O'Neill is going to
Speaker 1: be good just covering every angle. You know, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: will will say this. Those guys that are the athletic
Speaker 1: trainers over there, jimmuer Bert Brown, those guys, they think
Speaker 1: that the second year after your injury is a really
Speaker 1: big year. That's when you're gonna jump you come just
Speaker 1: talking specifically LEGI reconstructive surgeries like that for achilles or
Speaker 1: definitely for acls. You know that first year you're getting back,
Speaker 1: getting your legs back in you, but the second year
Speaker 1: is when you're kind of back to normal normal. And
Speaker 1: if if that is the case with Kean, you know,
Speaker 1: I think it's I think that's probably one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why they're like, hey, he had it, he came
Speaker 1: back last year. Let's see what he what he does.
Speaker 1: If that was half of him last year, right, I
Speaker 1: feel very happy with what I think if he's going
Speaker 1: to be better than that this year, I feel very
Speaker 1: happy with that side. And you got to look at
Speaker 1: other guys too, Connor Williams. I know we're it's a
Speaker 1: different side of the ball. But I'm just saying, that's
Speaker 1: another guy that that last year he got back from injury.
Speaker 1: This year, contract year, big big thing, he said. They
Speaker 1: actually said the other day he he's goals the Pro Bowl. Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean a team goal. First, let's get back to
Speaker 1: where we need to be. But but individually, you know,
Speaker 1: he think you can get there. Send him. Who are
Speaker 1: the five? Good question, Tyrant? No, who will be the
Speaker 1: final five by the time we're at the end of
Speaker 1: the season. That's who. I don't like that question, all right, Um,
Speaker 1: so let's real quick before we end this show. I
Speaker 1: did want to talk a little bit about a couple
Speaker 1: of the guys that the Cowboys lost, and particularly Cheeto
Speaker 1: A Woozia. He signed with the Cincinnati Bengals. He got
Speaker 1: a three year, twenty two million dollars deal. Seven point
Speaker 1: five million of that is guaranteed. How much of a
Speaker 1: loss is that for Dallas right now? Right now, it's
Speaker 1: fairly substantial, But I don't think it will be by
Speaker 1: the time this team is done being put together. I
Speaker 1: just I feel very confident that they're going to spend
Speaker 1: a big pick on a cornerback. If it's not Patrick's Urtan,
Speaker 1: it'll be pick forty four whatever, Like they'll draft a
Speaker 1: guy who's capable first two rounds, day one starter. That's
Speaker 1: maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I think. And so
Speaker 1: eventually I think they'll be fine. But right now, yeah,
Speaker 1: like if they had to play with what they have
Speaker 1: right now, I wouldn't feel great about it. Yep, I agree.
Speaker 1: And I thought, you know, Cheeto was a solid player.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think you know, I've heard people
Speaker 1: say that he was a bust. I don't think he's bust.
Speaker 1: I think you can be in the middle, you know.
Speaker 1: I think a second round player that played he gets
Speaker 1: one interception a year, you know, with that money that
Speaker 1: he gets, you know that he got there. I mean
Speaker 1: Cincinnati fans will probably you know, they probably won't love
Speaker 1: it because he won't get a lot of interceptions unless
Speaker 1: the scheme changes. For him, you know, but he wasn't
Speaker 1: really that type of guy, but he was. He was solid,
Speaker 1: he got good speed. You know, you have seen some
Speaker 1: guys thrive after they leave the Cowboys ever, know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think Brandon Carr had like three picks in the
Speaker 1: first six weeks of his first season in Baltimore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just like, Oh god, Cheeto's gonna have like four picks
Speaker 1: at Halloween. Uh kill me? Uh No? I agree, though,
Speaker 1: like it was good. I mean, you're an average player,
Speaker 1: I think, and I think for a second round pick,
Speaker 1: if you get the number starts the Cowboys got out
Speaker 1: of him, you don't feel like you wasted that pick.
Speaker 1: You may have wanted more, but you like you wasted
Speaker 1: that pick. It's fair to feel it's fair to have
Speaker 1: wanted more from the from a guy drafted sixtieth overall.
Speaker 1: But I can't call that disappointing or a bust. He got, yeah,
Speaker 1: four seasons worth of starts. He made a few plays,
Speaker 1: and he goes like it works out for everybody, Like
Speaker 1: the Cowboys didn't waste their pick. He got paid good
Speaker 1: for everybody. They'll get a comp pick for him. There's
Speaker 1: no reason to feel bad about anything that happened there.
Speaker 1: That's that comp pick was in play. That's why he
Speaker 1: never thought ever he was gonna come back, because you know,
Speaker 1: during the middle of the season he had a hamstring
Speaker 1: injury that took I don't know, nine weeks to come
Speaker 1: back from. And I think there were people in the
Speaker 1: building that were like, what's going on here? What's he
Speaker 1: want one of them? Huh? You want one of them? Well,
Speaker 1: I was, you know about hamstrings, you were not one
Speaker 1: of them. And I actually was one of them. I
Speaker 1: was asking about it a little bit, like why isn't
Speaker 1: he coming back? You of all people be like, I
Speaker 1: get him minds a calf and I still have not
Speaker 1: the same thing. Still, I think difference in recovery time
Speaker 1: between us, difference in athletic ability, yeah, a little bit,
Speaker 1: a little bit, speed, a little bit. Anyways, I think
Speaker 1: that everybody knew right there. I think everybody knew right
Speaker 1: there that he was he wasn't coming back. Yeah, so um,
Speaker 1: and he knew it, and and the Cowboys there was
Speaker 1: talk about releasing him during the season. Yeah, when it
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, what's going on here? I called it
Speaker 1: the hamstring from of death. I mean, like, what's what's happening. Um,
Speaker 1: he came back to get you know, and he he
Speaker 1: didn't want to put bad tape out there of him,
Speaker 1: So he's not in the contract in the contract here,
Speaker 1: so but that compic was always sitting there like, we're
Speaker 1: not gonna cut him. Why would we cut this guy?
Speaker 1: And then he goes signed somewhere else and we don't
Speaker 1: get the comp pick for him. So yeah, but at
Speaker 1: least they signed Jordan Lewis, and I'm excited about that
Speaker 1: because he's a guy and I think we all kind
Speaker 1: of thought that might happen that Cheeto leaves and then
Speaker 1: they might be able to kind of retain Jordan Lewis.
Speaker 1: So that's exciting because he is a guy out of
Speaker 1: those two. Although we've seen a lot more from Cheeto
Speaker 1: as far as playing time, the time that Jordan Lewis
Speaker 1: has played, I mean, he has shown ability and he's
Speaker 1: a guy that does not a freaking give up. He
Speaker 1: has that kind of competitiveness in him. So in the
Speaker 1: way that that we're using him last year towards the
Speaker 1: end of the year, that was exciting to see. So
Speaker 1: that's at least something to look forward. And one of
Speaker 1: the things that's interesting about that is, you look at
Speaker 1: Jordan's deal. Jordan got a three year deal, same as Cheeto.
Speaker 1: He got a thirteen point five million dollar deal, which
Speaker 1: is less than the twenty two million that Cheeto got,
Speaker 1: but the guaranteed money was right there about the same.
Speaker 1: Cheeto got seven point five Jordan got seven point seven
Speaker 1: five million guaranteed. So to me, it kind of signaled
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys thought of them as comparable players. It
Speaker 1: was just I think they opted that Jordan may have
Speaker 1: been a better fit, and certainly a better fit when
Speaker 1: you talk about what he can do in the slot,
Speaker 1: that's where it makes sense for them. I am. I'm
Speaker 1: curious about this because I think we would all agree
Speaker 1: Jordan didn't get a lot of opportunity. I know. I
Speaker 1: mean he started a lot last year, mainly because Cheeto
Speaker 1: was heard and Anthony Brown had injury problems. I wonder
Speaker 1: for him to be willing to re up. Was there
Speaker 1: a conversation like we see you doing this, like we're
Speaker 1: gonna maybe we'll give you more of an opportunity to
Speaker 1: play outside you can do this, that and the other,
Speaker 1: or or they're like, yeah, we're just gonna bury you
Speaker 1: on the depth chart again. When we draft Patrick's ertan
Speaker 1: and like, if that's the case, but if he's a
Speaker 1: nickel guy, Nickel they played nickel most of the time,
Speaker 1: so well, Anthony Brown plays in the slot too, Like
Speaker 1: I just I wonder about that, Like if they draft
Speaker 1: a cornerback highly, and I think they will, then there's
Speaker 1: an odd man out. Well let's follow the money. You
Speaker 1: look at the money, and I think it means Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown's probably gon to be your guy that's going to
Speaker 1: be sitting more than he's going to be out there playing,
Speaker 1: is the way I look at it. I'll always look
Speaker 1: at the money when you come to those kind of situations.
Speaker 1: He's on a similar contract to Jordan Is. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: signed three years fifteen mill. Last office is guaranteed to
Speaker 1: remember that though, and he's a year into it too,
Speaker 1: Like I hear you, you got to remember this. And
Speaker 1: someone told me this the other day. No defensive backs
Speaker 1: coach or defensive coordinator for the Cowboys has ever liked
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis at the start. You know, it's like, well
Speaker 1: let's let's see how he goes. He's unkind doesn't fit
Speaker 1: what we're looking for. So, yes, Anthony Brown was signed
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, But that was a different staff,
Speaker 1: that was a different you know, the the defensive backs coach.
Speaker 1: This staff as invested in him and they said, we
Speaker 1: like what we see, we're bringing him back. So I
Speaker 1: think if that is a tiebreaker between him and Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown for playing time, I think they're looking at it
Speaker 1: like you know, if they if it was the other
Speaker 1: way around, they probably say, let's don't pay him. We
Speaker 1: got Anthony Brown, will draft a couple. I personally think
Speaker 1: he's a better play than Anthony Brown. That's my opinion.
Speaker 1: I'm through these back Like some people were kind of
Speaker 1: like whining about the money, like it's not that much
Speaker 1: money by NFL cornerback standards. It's not a deal that
Speaker 1: you can't get away from, like you know, like next
Speaker 1: year if you want to, like you don't have He
Speaker 1: doesn't have to finish this deal if you don't want
Speaker 1: him to. He's a versatile guy. I think he's got
Speaker 1: the right mindset. I'm happy he's Yeah, and they and
Speaker 1: they love him, I mean they do. I mean he
Speaker 1: he nobody works out more than him, no one, no
Speaker 1: one is trying to get better. I mean, he just
Speaker 1: needed his he just needed somebody to have some confidence
Speaker 1: in him and say you know, and say, hey, he's
Speaker 1: putting in all this work and we believe in you.
Speaker 1: I think he had he can have a pretty good year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: me too, Me too. All Right, we appreciate you guys
Speaker 1: join us. We'll be back next week and on Wednesday again,
Speaker 1: we'll get into a little more free agency talk and
Speaker 1: we'll actually start moving the ship a little bit, maybe
Speaker 1: to some some talk on the draft. We got about
Speaker 1: a month, about a month left before the draft left
Speaker 1: as of next week, could be about a month. So
Speaker 1: we'll start kind of spending a little bit of time
Speaker 1: talking about draft and uh and start getting you guys
Speaker 1: ready for that. Till then. For Nick Eatman, Dave Helm
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