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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I'm Dale Allie. He is Matt Williamson, and

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Speaker 1: this is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio. And I

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Speaker 1: met the thirty third team put out a story. This

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Speaker 1: is written by Barry Wilner. Now I know Barry. Barry

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Speaker 1: was the NFL beat writer, their national guy for the

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Speaker 1: Associated Press for a number of years after Dave Goldberg retired.

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Speaker 1: And Barry is a Hall of Fame voter as well,

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Speaker 1: so he's steeped in the knowledge of this kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: And he put together each NFL team's best Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay, thirty third team.

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Speaker 1: I thought that'd be an interesting conversation here, and well,

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Speaker 1: we can, we can.

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Speaker 2: Some of these teams is going to be a battle. Man.

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Speaker 1: Wow, some of them it's not going to be too hard,

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Speaker 1: but some of it are going to be tough, tough

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Speaker 1: to look at. So let's go down through here. For

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals, which is also Arizona Chicago and Saint

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Speaker 1: Louis Cardinals. Charlie Trippy is Barry's pick.

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Speaker 2: I'm reading it right now to figure out who he.

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Speaker 1: Was as a rookie in the forties. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals have been around a lot longer than a lot.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people realize not I mean,

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Speaker 1: and not a great history.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Larry set up to take this title

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Speaker 2: pretty darn quick. So all no offense, mister trippy. But

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Speaker 2: you know you're probably about the weakest of the thirty

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Speaker 2: two up here.

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll see the runners up Larry Wilson, Dan Diardorf,

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Speaker 1: Kurt Warner, Ernie Nevers, and Olie Mattson. I'm kind of

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Speaker 1: surprised the Neis Williams didn't get a mention on there too.

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Speaker 2: Oh he's in right, yeah, he's I mean, I take

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Speaker 2: him over most of those guys. Ian Deirdorf was strong though, for.

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Speaker 1: The Atlanta Falcons to pick his Claude Humphrey.

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Speaker 2: This isn't real strong either.

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Speaker 1: Ninety nine and a half career sacks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thinking about on, but what team do you put

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Speaker 2: the on on?

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Speaker 1: You know, as I mean, he did most of his

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Speaker 1: work with the you know, the biggest, the biggot well,

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Speaker 1: but he spent most of his time with the Falcons.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 1: Right after that it was kind of like mercenary de

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Speaker 1: On Morton Anderson got to got a voter as running

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Speaker 1: up Tony Gonzalez. Uh, Dion Sanders. With the runners up,

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Speaker 1: they have again not a strong track record.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, I mean I guess Julio will surpass

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Speaker 2: all those guys like Larry.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps for the Baltimore Ravens it's Ray Lewis.

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Speaker 2: I'm fine with that. But I think it's a three

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Speaker 2: horse race with Ogden.

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Speaker 1: And Reed, and those are the guys who are the

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Speaker 1: two runners up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and I could make its just a strong

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Speaker 2: case for any of the three.

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Speaker 1: For the Buffalo Bills, the pick is Bruce Smith.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I think I would take him over the offensive dudes.

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Speaker 1: The runners up O J. Simpson I was I didn't.

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Speaker 2: Think of OJ. I was just thinking of the Jim Kelly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Famo and Thomas Jim Kelly, Joe Lamont, Lamelli or

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Speaker 1: I can never pronounce that name. And Billy Shaw.

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Speaker 2: Juice has a pretty strong Yeah, but it's tough.

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Speaker 1: To say, Yeah, we're gonna vote for. O. J. Simpson

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Speaker 1: is the number.

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Speaker 2: I get it, I get it. Yeah, he's Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: The Carolina Panthers, Sam Mills. Now, when I did the

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame vote a couple of years ago, Sam

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Speaker 1: Mills was on the ballot. He was the only guy

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Speaker 1: of the fifteen finalists that I looked at and said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can't vote for that guy.

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Speaker 2: I thought that initially too. When you listen to the case,

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Speaker 2: did you change your tune or no?

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Speaker 1: Like the case was, Oh, he's a he was the

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Speaker 1: most productive little guy in NFL history. I don't care

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Speaker 2: That doesn't mean he's better than big guys.

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Speaker 1: Right, he was a good player, yea. The problem is

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Speaker 1: the runner up was Kevin Green and he only played

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Speaker 2: I did something Mills of Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think so either, But it is.

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Speaker 2: Peppers or Steve Smith could eclipse those guys pretty quickly. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: not much to pick from.

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Speaker 1: No, there's not a lot there.

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Speaker 2: I would not have Mills in.

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Speaker 1: For the Chicago Bears, the pick is Dick Buckis, who

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Speaker 1: they got in the same draft as Gale Sayers after

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Speaker 1: making a trade with the Steelers that was the last previously,

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Speaker 1: the last time the Steelers traded their first round pick

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Speaker 1: before they traded for Minka Fitzpatrick in nineteen sixty five,

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Speaker 1: they dealt away their first round pick and the Bears

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Speaker 1: took Dick Buckets and Gale Sayers back to back picks

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Speaker 1: at five and six, I believe.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they obviously have a lot of great history

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Speaker 2: or a Lacker Singletary at linebacker. Dick Peyton versus Buckets, though,

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Speaker 2: is really what this one comes down to to me,

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Speaker 2: I mean, not having sweetness on theirs. I did it

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Speaker 2: because Buckets has a strong case, but so does Walter.

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Speaker 1: The other runners up were Peyton, Richard Dent, DoD Doug Atkins,

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Speaker 1: Bronco Negersky, George Connor, Dan Fortman, Bulldog Turner, Joe Steidhar

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Speaker 1: and Red Grange, Sid Luckman tight end, Mike Ditka, and

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Speaker 2: It's a lot of runners up, a lot of runners up.

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Speaker 1: But I mean a lot of those guys would have

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Speaker 1: been number one some of the teams ahead of them here.

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Speaker 2: No, you're right, most of them would have been in fact,

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Speaker 2: you know, Arizona, in Atlanta and Carolina. But you can't

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Speaker 2: tell me George Connor almost knocked off Dick Buckets.

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Speaker 1: He's a runner up.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess, I guess runner up doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: just missed or yeah.

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Speaker 1: But the Cincinnati Bengals, the pick is easy. It's Anthony

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Speaker 1: Muno's and it's an easy pick because he's the only

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Speaker 1: one in the Hall of Fame, although Ken Riley will

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Speaker 1: join him there this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and even well, I mean, I don't know if

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Speaker 2: AJ Green gets in or do you know Atkins. I

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Speaker 1: Geno Atkins will have a case. Yeah, yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if AJ Green makes it. There just

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Speaker 1: wasn't receivers tough, and there just wasn't enough sustained greatness there.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Chad Johnson, I don't think ever gets in.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Carson Palmer won't get in, so they're gonna

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Speaker 2: have a wait, it might be Burrow and Chase they

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Speaker 2: keep this up for ten more years.

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Speaker 1: For the Cleveland Browns, it's Jim Brown.

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Speaker 2: Easily, I would say.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The runners up were Geen Hickerson and lu Groza,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure Auto Graham is a really strong case.

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Speaker 2: But I think Jim Brown's the best back.

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Speaker 1: Of Jim Brown's good. Yeah, he's for the Cowboys. He

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Speaker 1: went with Emmett Smith.

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Speaker 2: All time rushing leaders A nice thing to have on

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Speaker 2: the resume.

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Speaker 1: You know it is it is the guys that he

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Speaker 1: was picked over, Roger Staubach and Troy Aikman, Bob Lily,

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Speaker 1: Randy White, Larry Allen, Tony Dorsett, My mel renfro.

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Speaker 2: Staubaucht and Lily, to me would probably be what I

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Speaker 2: came down to if I had to pick one.

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Speaker 1: They're very good. Randy White was very good as well.

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Speaker 1: I mean those guys are good, good football player.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Story team.

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Speaker 1: For the Denver Broncos, John Elway is the pick.

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Speaker 2: Surprisingly not much competition. I mean he's an easy slam dunk.

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Speaker 2: Denver's been around a long time to not have prominent

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Floyd Little, Terrell Davis, Shannon Sharp, and Gary Zimmerman

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they're nowhere close.

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Speaker 1: For the Lions, Barry Sanders.

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Speaker 2: No argument here. Calvin Johnson would be my two, but Barry.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The runners up former Steeler Bobby Lane, Dutch Clark Knight, Train, Lane,

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Speaker 2: Tickle Bows also in didn't get the runner up.

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Speaker 1: Didn't get the runner up. Yeah, he played in that

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Speaker 1: same secondary as Knight, Train Lane, Lem Barney, and the

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Speaker 1: El Larry. That's a pretty good check. Like all four

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Speaker 1: of them were in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought it was a big deal.

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Speaker 2: Like when the U would have four defensive backs draft

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Speaker 2: in the same draft. How about four Hall of Famers

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Speaker 2: in the same team. I'm the same secondary for the Packers.

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Speaker 1: Don Hudson gets the nod. I don't have a problem

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Speaker 2: I would say I've been a little hard on the

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Speaker 2: writer that he's been a little too kind to the

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Speaker 2: old old dudes. But Hudson is legendary. I mean you

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Speaker 2: talk about it's my babe Ruth comparison, like, way better

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Speaker 2: than anyone of his era, Like nine close.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. In seven of his eleven seasons he led the

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Speaker 1: NFL in receiving nine times. He topped the league in

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Speaker 1: touchdown catches. He was a six time All Pro All

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Speaker 1: Decade Team of the thirties. Of the thirties, he was,

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Speaker 1: he was putting up these kind of numbers. In nineteen

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Speaker 1: eleven yards and seventeen touchdowns. This is in the forties.

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Speaker 2: even have points on the end.

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Speaker 1: And he played in Green Bay.

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Speaker 2: Green Bay, they probably threw six to ten times a game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Everybody knew he was getting the ball and they couldn't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he might be the best receiver ever.

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Speaker 2: With all respect to Jerry Rice, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: just ver Firsus what he played against?

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Speaker 1: good list. He got Bart Starr, Brett Faarr, Paul Hornick,

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Speaker 1: Jim Taylor, Tony Canto, Canadio. I should say Ray Nitchkey,

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Speaker 1: Willow Davis, Reggie White, Clark Hinkle, Forrest Gregg, Jerry Kramer,

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Speaker 1: Jim Ringo, James Lofton, Willie would Her, Beverly Leroy Butler.

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Speaker 1: Lowie Butler doesn't belong on that list. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: I mean some of the older guys that I can't

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Speaker 1: He said he deserves consideration simply for inventing the Lambeau leap. Okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, the Baltimore Indianapolis Colts. This one I have

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Speaker 2: I think it's a two horse race.

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Speaker 1: He is Peyton Manning as a guy. If you're going

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Speaker 1: to consider this the Baltimore Indianapolis Colts, Johnny Unitis has

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Speaker 1: to be the pick.

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Speaker 2: I agree. I mean Manning would be on nine out

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Speaker 2: of ten teams first guy, but this one I would

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Speaker 2: give the slight nod to the other quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I mean Johnny Unitis for the first oh, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Forty years of the NFL, thirty at least thirty was

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Speaker 1: considered the greatest quarterback to ever play the game.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I remember, I was a kid, but I remember

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Speaker 2: there started to be a discussion with Montana after Montana

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Speaker 2: on his third is he better than Uniteds? We finally

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Speaker 2: have a quarterback better than Uniteds? That was the consensus.

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Speaker 2: It's a long time to be the king.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the wide receiver. I'm sorry. The other runners up

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Speaker 1: in addition to Uniteds Raymond Barry, Marvin Harrison, John Mackie, Lennymore,

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Speaker 1: Jim Parker, Gino Marchetti, and Art Donovan. That's a strong list.

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Speaker 2: It's a ali list. I mean, Pace is a stud

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Speaker 1: The Chargers, the pick is Lance Allworth.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The runners up Junior se Al, La, Damian Tomlinson,

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Speaker 2: Not bad group, yeah, yeah, not bad at all. Flashy.

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Speaker 1: Uh. For the Dolphins, it's Dan Marinoe. The runners up

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think Marino runs away with it. It's a

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Speaker 1: Yeah. For the Vikings, it's Alan Page.

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Speaker 1: The other guys on their runner up list Fran Tarkenton,

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Speaker 2: I was ten years old, Munyo's and Hannah were considered

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right. For the Saints it's Willie Rofe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's a lot of years of being

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Speaker 1: Yeah. For the Giants it is Lawrence Taylor.

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Speaker 1: This is a good list too. Listen to this list.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you would think. I mean, they've been

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Speaker 1: How about this one for the New York Jets, Curtis Martin.

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Speaker 2: I'm shocked it's not name it, but give Martin some credit.

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Speaker 2: I mean, lasted a lot longer.

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Speaker 2: I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Joe Clecko is a Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 2: And I hate to say it, but this exercise is

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Speaker 2: worried that the Hall of Fame has been watered down

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Speaker 1: The Philadelphia Eagles, the pick is Chuck bed Ne Erick.

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Speaker 2: H Okay. I immediately thought Reggie White, but he didn't.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't there all that long? You know?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? The others runners up Steve Van Buren, Reggie White,

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Speaker 1: Not as good as you'd think it would be for

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Speaker 1: We're up to the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Barry's pick is Joe Green.

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Speaker 2: I think it has to be. Yeah, I mean their

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Speaker 1: Linn Swann, DERMANI Dawson and Mike Webster and Allen Fanica.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's ridiculous. And someday, if we're bored, we should

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Speaker 1: It would be very difficult to be.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Blunton Woodson at your corners, you know what

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Speaker 1: Yeah, who's playing center?

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Speaker 2: But I mean, even like the Castro and Fanica are

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Speaker 1: But you know, the runner up in Montana Steve Young,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you got Ronnie Lott, Joe Montana, Steve Young,

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Speaker 1: There were the Seattle Seahawks at Steve Largent.

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Speaker 2: I respect that. That's cool. I would have taken Walter Jones,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean they were an expansion team when I

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Speaker 1: Or the tap Speaking of expansion teams, the Tampa Bay

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Speaker 2: I like the respect of Largent and Selman. You know,

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Speaker 1: I will sap and this is now my problem with this.

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Speaker 1: So the runners up are Derek Brooks, John Lynch, Ronde Barber,

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Speaker 2: I know, Like again, I think Brooks and Sapp are

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Speaker 1: I would agree. I don't think they are either.

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Speaker 2: And the fact that of honor and they're great, YadA YadA.

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Speaker 1: But the fact that that defense has four Hall of famers,

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Speaker 2: By the mid two thousands, I was like Steel Curtain

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Speaker 1: Yeah. That Ravens defense of the early two thousand has two. Wow,

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Speaker 1: Curly Culp, Robert Brazil. No championships among those guys.

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Speaker 2: No championships. Campbell's pretty strong. I mean it's kind of

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Speaker 2: like the Juice conversation too, of just dominant seventies backs. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Frank and Walter and those guys.

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Speaker 1: And for the Washington Commanders, the pick is slinging Sammy Baugh.

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Speaker 2: I guess yeah, I mean I was thinking Darryl Green,

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Speaker 2: but Bob probably was the better career and the better position,

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Speaker 2: you know. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He led the league in completion perchance percentage eight times

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Speaker 1: in completion six times, in yards per game five times.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty strong.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Plus he played, He played defense and led the

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Speaker 1: league with eleven interceptions in nineteen forty three. Oh by

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Speaker 1: the way, oh Jackson.

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Speaker 2: Picking up baseball, you know, and I'm gonna pick off eleven.

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Speaker 1: Passes and Andy led the league in punting five times.

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Speaker 2: Oh, oh, by the way, never left the gold that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: The runners up John Riggins, Darryl Green, Sam Huff, Sam

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Speaker 1: Huff was pretty dominant, Russ Grimm, Turk Edwards, Charlie Taylor,

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Speaker 1: Bobby Mitchell, and Art Monk.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Pretty good group, not great, Pretty good group, pretty good.

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Speaker 2: Last nugget on this. I know we're gonna go roll,

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Speaker 2: but behind me in my basement bathroom is the nineteen

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Speaker 2: seventy eight Steelers team photo. You know how. They do

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Speaker 2: it at three rivers in front of the scoreboard and

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Speaker 2: a couple of lights are out on the scoreboard. So

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Speaker 2: everyone on that team is there, And there are twelve

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Speaker 2: Hall of Famers in that picture. And that doesn't even

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Speaker 2: include the Rooneyes who're not on there, you know, I

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Speaker 2: mean there's two Roonies working for the team at that

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Speaker 2: point that ended up in the Hall of Fame, and

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Speaker 2: that includes Chuck Noll.

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Speaker 1: He also left out Bill Nunn.

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Speaker 2: Oh right, right, good point. He would not have been

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Speaker 2: that photo either. One that I'm kind of cheating but

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Speaker 2: is a Hall of Famer. He's on that photo. Is

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Speaker 2: Tony Dungeye right, yeah, yeah, there's a dozen in the picture.

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Speaker 1: Not bad, not bad, not right considering, especially considering some

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Speaker 1: franchises only have one or two guys.

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Speaker 2: So one and one's in the division only as one.

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Speaker 2: We're yeah, just skipped right over Houston. You got none

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Speaker 2: the Titans.

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Speaker 1: Yeah sorry, yeah, yeah, right, We're gonna take a break.

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Speaker 1: He is Matt Williamson. I am dal Lawlly. You're listening

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Speaker 1: to the drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. When we

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Speaker 1: come back, Matt, since it is Friday, it's time for

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Speaker 1: a little Friday fantasy football Monday here, So let's do that.

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Speaker 1: We'll do a little mock draft when we come back.

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Speaker 2: I like that. You like that?

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll do that when we come back. He

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Speaker 1: is Matt Williams, and I'm dal Lawi. You're listening to

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