WEBVTT - Devious Licks and Manufactured Danger

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, it could happen. Here the only podcast that

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<v Speaker 1>is on right now in your ears where you can

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<v Speaker 1>listen to us talk about things falling apart and occasionally

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<v Speaker 1>more optimistic stuff. Garrison, is this one of the more

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<v Speaker 1>optimistic stuff days? Not really, Oh great, it's it's things

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<v Speaker 1>falling apart, but in a slightly amusing way. Oh well

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<v Speaker 1>that's fine too. Yeah, it's it's it's gonna be fine.

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<v Speaker 1>So have is any is any of y'all's familiar with

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<v Speaker 1>the Devious Licks? Vaguely? Yeah, so all of all of

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure all of the I'm sure all of the

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<v Speaker 1>Lick fans are gonna be really excited about today's episode

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<v Speaker 1>because the first half will be we'll be talking about

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<v Speaker 1>all of the all of the Licks. So for for

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<v Speaker 1>those unfamiliar the Devious Licks meme challenge. Things started with

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<v Speaker 1>this video by a kid who had stolen quote unquote

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<v Speaker 1>stolen a bunch of like COVID masks from his school

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<v Speaker 1>and then was showing off his uh his harvest on

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<v Speaker 1>TikTok played over you know, played over a song or

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<v Speaker 1>something as as you do on the tiktoks. So they

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<v Speaker 1>posted the video with this caption. A month into school

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely devious lick and lick. I think lick just means

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<v Speaker 1>like stealing, like like you like stole something and like

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<v Speaker 1>that's like that is a lick. I was so sad

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<v Speaker 1>when I first heard about this. I heard I heard

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<v Speaker 1>someone say devious licks, and I was like, they're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>the TikTok challenge, and I was like, oh shit, people

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<v Speaker 1>are like walking up to like like they're gonna like

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<v Speaker 1>lick the under side of a bridge or something. And

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<v Speaker 1>then it was not that unfortunately, unfortunately not. Yeah, it is,

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<v Speaker 1>it is. It is a real loss. So this this

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<v Speaker 1>video went very very viral on TikTok very very quickly

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<v Speaker 1>among kids whom's like they're in person. School had just

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<v Speaker 1>had just started. This was this thing in like late August,

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<v Speaker 1>early September of last year, uh, you know, first with

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the initial video then subsequently inspired a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of copycat school related heists that then posted into TikTok's

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<v Speaker 1>first People just stealing like small, mostly low stakes things,

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<v Speaker 1>usually inside the bathrooms, you know, stuff like toilet paper rolls,

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<v Speaker 1>paper tower rolls, soap from soap dispensers, light bulbs, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like like floor tiles, just like just like small things.

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<v Speaker 1>But after a while the small fry wasn't was not

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<v Speaker 1>enough anymore. People started to get more brazen, uh more,

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<v Speaker 1>more more devious, you might say, Yeah, they were. They

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<v Speaker 1>moved on to like full on toilet heists and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>electric hand tryers. They stole a teacher's entire desk and

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<v Speaker 1>a whole bathroom sink. So yeah, and eventually they kind

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<v Speaker 1>of dropped all pretense of this being hoisting and just

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<v Speaker 1>started just like destroying the bathrooms, not even stealing things anymore. Yeah, Garrison,

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<v Speaker 1>you and I have a friend who works at a

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<v Speaker 1>school where this has been We got accused of like

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<v Speaker 1>pushing disinformation when we talked about this on Worst Year,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's like, no, we know people who work at

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<v Speaker 1>a school that has not had functional student bathrooms. Happened,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's very funny, as just just just to clarify

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<v Speaker 1>my opinion on it, very funny. Yes, it's yes, they

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, just just it started. It started with stealing

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<v Speaker 1>and then just Scott turned into let's just destroy the bathrooms,

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<v Speaker 1>which is pretty funny. Kids rock, Kids rock. So obviously, schools,

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<v Speaker 1>teachers and principles were scrambling their confusion only upseeded, uh

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<v Speaker 1>by their being upset because obviously they shouldn't have allowed

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<v Speaker 1>children to be born into a world where TikTok could exist.

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<v Speaker 1>Really is on them, And you know, all of the

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<v Speaker 1>upsettedness by teachers and schools only like contributed to the

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<v Speaker 1>meme with like kids posting their principles reactions to it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, like like people like like announcing over the intercom,

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<v Speaker 1>like like new rules about how to prevent the bathroom destruction.

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<v Speaker 1>Schools are having to like station staff members outside of

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<v Speaker 1>bathrooms to like like check and hopefully like ward off

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<v Speaker 1>any possible destructive shenanigans. It was, it was this, It

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<v Speaker 1>was it was this entire thing. Uh. And it got

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<v Speaker 1>to the point where TikTok actually had to step in

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of curb this meme. They banned the hashtag

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<v Speaker 1>dvos slick. They took down any content that had anything

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<v Speaker 1>to do with the trend, and this seemed to work.

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<v Speaker 1>After a few weeks, the meme kind of reached the

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<v Speaker 1>end of its virality cycle. Teachers got to breathe a

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<v Speaker 1>sigh of relief. Maybe there would be no more smashed

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<v Speaker 1>bathrooms or stolen desks, you fools, But their calumn did

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<v Speaker 1>not last long. By the end of September, there were

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<v Speaker 1>rumors perculating around that Devious Slicks did. Yeah, I got

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<v Speaker 1>perculating percolating. Come on, I don't know, but it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was, It was, it was. It was said that

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<v Speaker 1>the Davious Slicks may not have a wooden stick through

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<v Speaker 1>its heart, and we may have only witnessed the first wave.

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<v Speaker 1>With something much darker lurking around the corner. On Facebook,

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<v Speaker 1>various parent, teacher and law enforcement groups started circulating some

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<v Speaker 1>purported sorry started circulating some purported Shenanigan plans from the kids.

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<v Speaker 1>On TikTok, there was this month by month calendar detailing

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<v Speaker 1>two kids what sick pranks they should play on their

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<v Speaker 1>school for the for the entire rest of the year,

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<v Speaker 1>and a few versions of this calendar were spread around,

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<v Speaker 1>but they all shared the same basic overall structure and

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<v Speaker 1>prank ideas, just some like wording and phrasing changed. And

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<v Speaker 1>the first upcoming challenge for the month of October was

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<v Speaker 1>slap a teacher Sorry. This spread beyond Facebook and including

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<v Speaker 1>to local news. Now another TikTok challenge getting a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of attention tonight, and it's a violent one. Targeting teachers.

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<v Speaker 1>That Nevada Joint Union superintendent asking parents now to tell

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<v Speaker 1>their kids not to participate in this challenge. It encourages

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<v Speaker 1>students to actually slap their teachers. So although the smack

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<v Speaker 1>a teacher line was what really got this thing to

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<v Speaker 1>go viral on Facebook, the main screenshotted calendar that was

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<v Speaker 1>being circulated, the actual October challenge was listed as a

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<v Speaker 1>smack of staff member on the backside. That was that

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<v Speaker 1>was the actual phrasing, which is a little, a little

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<v Speaker 1>bizarre smack of staffer on the backside. Uh. November is

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<v Speaker 1>kiss your friend's girlfriend at school, So again weird, weird phrasing.

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<v Speaker 1>December is deck the halls and show your balls in

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<v Speaker 1>school halls, which that one was probably written by a child.

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<v Speaker 1>But then we get other stuff like January is jab abreast,

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<v Speaker 1>uh so more more sexual assault jokes. February we have

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<v Speaker 1>a mess up school signs. March is make a mess

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<v Speaker 1>in the courtyarder cafeteria. April this one's weird. April is

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<v Speaker 1>a grab some eggs, but eggs is in quotation marks

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<v Speaker 1>with his z at the end. May is ditch day.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fine. June is flip off the front office, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>who cares? And July is spray and April's fence wow

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<v Speaker 1>graffiti scary. So yeah, that is that is that is

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<v Speaker 1>the calendar of challenges. Some of these seem more I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about this a couple of months ago, and

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<v Speaker 1>my feeling was that this started as something real, just

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<v Speaker 1>like m yeah and and this this ship was where

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<v Speaker 1>it was. It became nonsense. Was just like people sharing

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<v Speaker 1>things that were going to anger boomers. This and we

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<v Speaker 1>will we will get into this. So yeah. As as

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<v Speaker 1>news about the TikTok challenges spread on Facebook, media, orgs

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<v Speaker 1>picked up on the trend and started showting out headlines

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<v Speaker 1>like TikTok's shocking school Challenges list twenty twenty one revealed

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<v Speaker 1>and devious licks asks students via TikTok to smack a

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<v Speaker 1>staff member that nation's teachers are feeling burnt out. So great,

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<v Speaker 1>great headlines there. So all of that sounds so obviously

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<v Speaker 1>very scary. If if if teens around the country are

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<v Speaker 1>all united in this, in this, in this planned destruction

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<v Speaker 1>of our entire civilization, that that you know, we could

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<v Speaker 1>all be brought onto the brink of via teens destroying

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<v Speaker 1>their schools was so that would be that would be

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<v Speaker 1>kind of fun. But if you stop and think about

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<v Speaker 1>the wording of that list for a sec, you might

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<v Speaker 1>notice some things that just seem off, Like no Gen

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<v Speaker 1>Z kids are saying uh smack a staff member on

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<v Speaker 1>the backside. That is not like you are the first

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<v Speaker 1>member of Generation Z to say backside, backside. And like

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<v Speaker 1>the challenge for April is grab some eggs and eggs

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<v Speaker 1>in quotation arcs with a Z at the end, because yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>all of all of the cool kids today uses Z

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of words to make themselves. Again, it's

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<v Speaker 1>some like fucking gen X or maybe elder millennial piece

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<v Speaker 1>of shit trying to make people angry on the internet.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's just like April, what goes with April? April eggs? Eggs? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Something like all of the language feels

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<v Speaker 1>like what's what someone would write if they were trying

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<v Speaker 1>to imitate what a cool nineties kid would talk like

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<v Speaker 1>on TV. Yeah, it's a lot of people trying to

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<v Speaker 1>write John Hughes movies. Yeah, but so, but all this

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<v Speaker 1>was very viral for like it was the end of September.

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<v Speaker 1>This was this was all massive and we we will.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't worry. I will explain why we're talking about this

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<v Speaker 1>now because this does this, this will circle back to

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<v Speaker 1>actually current events. I'm not not just talking about a

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<v Speaker 1>September twenty twenty one trend. This, this does, this does

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<v Speaker 1>relate to stuff happening currently. But yeah, like suspicious language aside.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea that the youths are purposely plotting on the

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<v Speaker 1>tiktoks to assault teachers and we havoc all year long

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<v Speaker 1>frightened many an adult, especially those that work in the

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<v Speaker 1>education sector, who might have to face the possibility of

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<v Speaker 1>a coordinated zoom er wrath. And you know, the past

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<v Speaker 1>two years had already been kind of a ship show

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<v Speaker 1>for schools, with switching to remote learning then back to

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<v Speaker 1>in person. Well, there's all all debate, all the debate

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<v Speaker 1>around masks and vaccinations and the risk of being inside

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<v Speaker 1>around densely packed you know, groups of filthy, germ written children.

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<v Speaker 1>Plus there's all these kids that got used to being

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<v Speaker 1>home alone for so long learning half to like having

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<v Speaker 1>to learn now how to like socialize in the class environment,

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<v Speaker 1>all while dealing with the same mental trauma that we've

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<v Speaker 1>all been dealing with around around the plague. So so,

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<v Speaker 1>just having faced the actual, very real September devious licks,

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<v Speaker 1>the promise of a year lowing TikTok wave of destruction

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<v Speaker 1>obviously frightened many parents and teachers, with educators on Facebook,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, starting to take this list as a very

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<v Speaker 1>real threat, with school districts you know, issuing warnings and

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<v Speaker 1>parents were you know informed, like in mass about this

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<v Speaker 1>very very real, very real threat. Educators be aware. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the warning from the California Teachers Association. The group sent

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<v Speaker 1>this message to educators letting them know about a potential

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<v Speaker 1>TikTok trend calling for students to slap a staff member.

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<v Speaker 1>Seminole County Schools just sent this letter to principles warning

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<v Speaker 1>them of TikTok's October challenge, saying, quote, in the latest

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<v Speaker 1>TikTok trend, students are asked to calmly walk up to

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<v Speaker 1>their teachers, slap them, and then run off, making sure

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<v Speaker 1>they capture the whole thing on camera. Okay, and we

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<v Speaker 1>are back. So yeah, sure enough. News of teachers getting

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<v Speaker 1>slapped began to circulate from local media into the national sphere,

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<v Speaker 1>alongside headlines like TikTok inspired slap a Teacher challenge assault

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<v Speaker 1>reported at Braintree's East Middle School and Covington police say

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<v Speaker 1>disabled teacher injured and suspected TikTok challenge assault by student. Uh. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so there was there was, There was a There was

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<v Speaker 1>a few slapping incidents reported onto mainstream onto mainstream news

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<v Speaker 1>was all all tied to the to the TikTok assault.

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<v Speaker 1>A teacher things as student in Louisiana was arrested and

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<v Speaker 1>faced felony charges, with police saying the assault was prompted

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<v Speaker 1>by a quote prompted by a viral social media application

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<v Speaker 1>known as TikTok. Sorry we've done the notorious hacker for

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<v Speaker 1>chat again. Everything circles back application known as TikTok. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>in October, there were definitely incidents of students hitting teachers,

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<v Speaker 1>But it's like that that in and of itself is

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<v Speaker 1>not up for debate. This, yes, uh, but the actual

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<v Speaker 1>scale of content spreading this list and the subsequent slapping

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<v Speaker 1>videos on the TikTok platform is something to question because

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<v Speaker 1>writing writing off of the September Davious licks trend, almost

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<v Speaker 1>all media, police, parents, educators were super quick to link

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<v Speaker 1>this list and these few teachers kings to the social

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<v Speaker 1>media platform used by gen Z, the application known as TikTok.

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<v Speaker 1>And so we we have we have all this talk

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<v Speaker 1>on the news and on Facebook. But the thing is,

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<v Speaker 1>if you check TikTok or at like if if if,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're actually on TikTok around this time, you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>find any viral videos. So teachers getting slapped or anything

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<v Speaker 1>about this TikTok list of challenges at all. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>actually there, like, it wasn't actually on TikTok. This this

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't actually a thing. H So you know, then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you might be thinking, well, maybe TikTok's doing what they

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<v Speaker 1>did previously just to shut down the original organic deviously challenge.

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<v Speaker 1>What if they're just doing this like preemptively to taking

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<v Speaker 1>down any content related to the list, any like corresponding hashtags, etcetera, etcetera.

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<v Speaker 1>But when journalists asked TikTok if this was the case,

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<v Speaker 1>they denied this, saying that we have not seen anything

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<v Speaker 1>of this nature on our app. They said the first

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<v Speaker 1>time they TikTok said, the first time they saw the

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<v Speaker 1>list was of screenshot of it on other websites. It

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<v Speaker 1>was not it was not from TikTok. It wasn't actually there.

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<v Speaker 1>So as more and more news circulated and Blaine was

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<v Speaker 1>continuing to be put on TikTok for propagating this list

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<v Speaker 1>of challenges and you know, encouraging teacher assaults, the social

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<v Speaker 1>media platform made a public statement addressing the issue, saying, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>the rumored slap a teacher dare is an insult to

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<v Speaker 1>educators everywhere, and while this is not a trend on TikTok,

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<v Speaker 1>if at any point it shows up, content will be removed.

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<v Speaker 1>So as as much as you would search online on

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<v Speaker 1>TikTok or you know, wherever, you wouldn't find any evidence

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<v Speaker 1>of this list actually being spread through TikTok at all.

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<v Speaker 1>The only thing that you would find about this on

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<v Speaker 1>TikTok is either kids reacting to news clips talking about this,

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<v Speaker 1>or teachers on TikTok complain anywo this as well. It

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't actually a trend. The list was being shared online

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<v Speaker 1>a lot like it was very viral, but almost exclusively

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<v Speaker 1>in Facebook groups for boomers or adults or teachers or police.

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<v Speaker 1>But people seemed real scared of all those groups. Boomers Garrison, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that good not died. Yeah, it's it's it's it's like

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<v Speaker 1>a mental ethnicity. Now people, people seem really scared. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>schools were scared. News media loves turning this list into

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<v Speaker 1>like a looming looming Bilgeeman. But it wasn't. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>kids actually spreading it or turning into a challenge, which

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<v Speaker 1>leads you to wonder where did this even come from

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<v Speaker 1>and how did it actually get so viral. So multiple

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<v Speaker 1>and multiple fully separate investigative kind of ordeals into the

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<v Speaker 1>alleged TikTok list of challenges placed its original point of

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<v Speaker 1>virality in the hands of of wait, wait for it,

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<v Speaker 1>wait for it, I'm waiting a police officer. So Officer

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<v Speaker 1>David Gometz, a school resource cause up who runs a

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<v Speaker 1>popular Facebook page under the banner of quote the Truth

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<v Speaker 1>about Youth, which is oh boy, pretty cool. So Gomez

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<v Speaker 1>works at a school in Idaho, Big shocker, and back

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<v Speaker 1>in September, his Facebook page had over thirty three thousand followers.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it has over sixty six thousand, and he uses

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<v Speaker 1>it as a sort of information hub for parents, educators,

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<v Speaker 1>and concerned citizens to talk about the dangers of kids

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<v Speaker 1>on the Internet and all of that jazz. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>Gomez basically tries to be like a kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>influencer for this whole like concerned adult corner of the Internet.

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<v Speaker 1>He writes these long, long posts about like school life

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<v Speaker 1>and digital safety, touching on many topics from like how

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<v Speaker 1>your kids are secretly buying weed and vape pens, or

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<v Speaker 1>like how to tell if your kid is looking at

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<v Speaker 1>pornographic materials, you know, stuff of this nature like here, here's,

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<v Speaker 1>here's here's a few posts from him from from just

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<v Speaker 1>from just a few days ago. Lots of inappropriate behaviors

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<v Speaker 1>pushed on Snapchat desensitize kids to reality. Nude photos, drugs, parties, crimes,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera. Kids can order almost any illegal drug and

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<v Speaker 1>have it delivered to them on most any place on Snapchat.

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<v Speaker 1>If only only so, He's like, he's like one of

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<v Speaker 1>these types of guys, like you know, you know who, Yeah, yeah, yeah, God,

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<v Speaker 1>if we only lived in that world, I would be

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<v Speaker 1>on Snapchat so hard I would be. I love I

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<v Speaker 1>love idea that Snapchat desensitizes kids to reality by telling

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<v Speaker 1>them about parties and well, I mean any time I look,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a profound negative mental health reaction whenever someone

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<v Speaker 1>tells me about a party. So I would why wouldn't children?

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<v Speaker 1>So so the original devious licks challenge was dying down

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<v Speaker 1>near the end of September. On September twenty second, Officer

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<v Speaker 1>Gomez posted this list of challenges to his thousands of followers.

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<v Speaker 1>In the next few days, the challenge list from his

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<v Speaker 1>page circulated around the web, prompting many nervous school emails,

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<v Speaker 1>terrified newscasts, and ending up actually making the list of

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<v Speaker 1>challenges go completely viral. When asked about the origin of

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<v Speaker 1>the list, he said the first place that he had

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<v Speaker 1>seen it is in a smaller private Facebook group for

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<v Speaker 1>people working in drug and alcohol enforcement and education. He

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<v Speaker 1>called it a drug recognition group. It's like a group

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<v Speaker 1>of like cops and stuff, where like, I found this

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<v Speaker 1>bag of leaves, what is it? Can I can I

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<v Speaker 1>arrest this person? It's like it's it's it's these people

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<v Speaker 1>who like, yeah, post random stuff to figure out what

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<v Speaker 1>drugs they're looking at. So he claims he first saw

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<v Speaker 1>it in this Facebook group, but admitted that he was

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<v Speaker 1>unsure if it'd actually alternated from kids or not let

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<v Speaker 1>let alone on TikTok. He just posted it because he thought,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, better safe than sorry, But you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's funny because Officer Gomez's intention may just have been

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<v Speaker 1>to spread the word about this because he thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was an actual threat, but it turns out that he

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<v Speaker 1>was just the one that gave it online life in

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<v Speaker 1>the first place. So so yeah, But for like the

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<v Speaker 1>actual origin of it, like like for it actually came up,

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<v Speaker 1>as best as we can tell, it seems to. It

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<v Speaker 1>seems to have stem from a school in California. A

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<v Speaker 1>principal claims that a student sent them this list, albeit

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<v Speaker 1>a slightly more a vulgar version, more in line with

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<v Speaker 1>how kids kind of talk now. The teacher then uploaded

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<v Speaker 1>it to a teacher Facebook group. It was then shared

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<v Speaker 1>to this drug recognition group of Officer Gomez, and then

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<v Speaker 1>Gomez or someone along this process rewrote it to add

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<v Speaker 1>the weird like boomer Jen's like like like a nineties

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<v Speaker 1>cool kid language, and then go has posted it, and

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<v Speaker 1>then that results in like the cool kid's attitude, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he posts it, it goes viral. But there's no

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<v Speaker 1>evidence that it was ever on TikTok like at all,

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<v Speaker 1>Like this, we just don't I think it's not actually

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<v Speaker 1>ever on TikTok until the cop posts it So the

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<v Speaker 1>other funny thing is that all of these slapping incidents

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<v Speaker 1>reported on the news, including the one that resulted in

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<v Speaker 1>an arrest, also turns out to have nothing to do

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<v Speaker 1>with the challenge list or TikTok. It was just a

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<v Speaker 1>regular like interpersonal conflict between a student and a teacher,

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<v Speaker 1>because like that happens, like that happens just like every

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<v Speaker 1>once in a while like that. But it had nothing

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<v Speaker 1>to do with TikTok. According to the school and according

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<v Speaker 1>to the police, we had an investigation. A substitute teacher

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<v Speaker 1>choke slam one of the kids in my class, and

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't even have a TikTok. We barely had the

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<v Speaker 1>internet back then. It was a pretty good day at school.

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<v Speaker 1>The principle had to come in and apologize. It was

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<v Speaker 1>very fun. That sounds great. It was yeah, so uh

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, Like in the end, we're gonna the full

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<v Speaker 1>arc of this right starts in September with the actual

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<v Speaker 1>real devious licks that that that that did, that did exist.

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<v Speaker 1>It was on TikTok, but it was just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>stealing stuff from bathrooms. Uh. It breaks off and and

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<v Speaker 1>and then eventually kind of just like making bathrooms into

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<v Speaker 1>a mess. So but this this, this takes off. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it goes, it goes, it goes pretty pretty viral. Then

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<v Speaker 1>TikTok starts to crack down on it, and after like

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<v Speaker 1>three to four weeks, the meme dies. It's it's you know, people,

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<v Speaker 1>people are bored. There's too much enforcement. It's not fun.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not fun anymore. And then we have this calendar

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<v Speaker 1>list of challenges, right, possibly trying to spin off of

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<v Speaker 1>like the devious licks thing and Gloman from the previous trend,

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<v Speaker 1>or it was perhaps just written as like, uh, like

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<v Speaker 1>a non serious joke. But the thing is like, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not actually found on TikTok. Right, So, even if this

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<v Speaker 1>list was originally made by a kid, uh, it's it

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<v Speaker 1>was not known by other kids on a national level,

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<v Speaker 1>either online or in person. But where it does get

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<v Speaker 1>a visibility is through adults, and not on TikTok, but

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<v Speaker 1>on Facebook. Initially being passed around by teachers and school

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<v Speaker 1>administrators and other adults, ran on the Facebook platform and

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<v Speaker 1>really accelerating from there. Right, we have we have, we

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<v Speaker 1>have Gomez and then it's all over Facebook, It's all

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<v Speaker 1>over Instagram, it's all over news articles, TV stations, and

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<v Speaker 1>eventually does go. It eventually does get to TikTok, but

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<v Speaker 1>not with kids talking about it instead of with teachers

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<v Speaker 1>talking about it. But at this point, the story of

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<v Speaker 1>the TikTok slap a teacher challenge was just tuned like

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<v Speaker 1>enticing right. It had like enough of a grain of

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<v Speaker 1>truth by piggybacking off of the real devious licks. But

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<v Speaker 1>it was able to grow into this like entire false

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<v Speaker 1>reality because there were enough ingredients for a good story.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's where like perceptions of truth really flourishing, is

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<v Speaker 1>good stories. And then we found out a few weeks

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<v Speaker 1>ago there was there was this article by Taylor Lawrence

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<v Speaker 1>Uh in the Washington Post that there there actually may

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<v Speaker 1>have been some kind of behind the scenes fuckory making

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<v Speaker 1>this trend to go as viral as it did. And

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<v Speaker 1>we will we will get into that after after this,

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<v Speaker 1>after this ad break. So have fun listening to these ads,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we will talk about the behind the seams

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<v Speaker 1>of making these these false online trends. Hello, we are back.

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<v Speaker 1>So turns out lots of lots of there's lots of

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<v Speaker 1>lots of fuckory happening. H to make to make, to make,

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<v Speaker 1>to make narratives to make stories right. It's a all

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<v Speaker 1>you know, turns out that not everything you read on

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<v Speaker 1>the internet is true. Uh, pretty pretty shocking revelation here.

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<v Speaker 1>So it came out a few weeks ago that Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>was actually paying one of the biggest Republican consulting firms

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<v Speaker 1>in the country to orchestrate a national campaign to turn

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<v Speaker 1>the public opinion negatively towards TikTok. The campaign was it

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<v Speaker 1>was placing it include placing like op eds and letters,

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<v Speaker 1>two editors of like, you know, major major news outlets,

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<v Speaker 1>promoting of false, false stories about about like the growth

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<v Speaker 1>of alleged TikTok trends that actually had started on Facebook,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you know, trying to push reporters and politicians

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<v Speaker 1>into helping them, you know, damage the perception of TikTok

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<v Speaker 1>on like a nationwide level. Eventually. You know, Facebook was

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<v Speaker 1>obviously funding this because it you know, TikTok is their

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<v Speaker 1>biggest competitor at the moment. So it's a it's actually

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<v Speaker 1>pretty interesting. It's so it's it's it's it's with this

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<v Speaker 1>Republican digital uh consulting firm called Targeted Victory. So this

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<v Speaker 1>was the thing that Facebook was actually paying for to

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<v Speaker 1>to to prompt these false stories. Uh targeted Victory has

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<v Speaker 1>been routinely working for Facebook for over the years. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>they were they were involved in the twenty sixteen congressional

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<v Speaker 1>hearings around Facebook doing stuff like with like election Medley stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, all the stuff related to like Cambridge Analytica.

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<v Speaker 1>They were, they were had a small part to play

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<v Speaker 1>in that kind of thing as well. So they also

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<v Speaker 1>receive a lot of Republican funding. They got a thing

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<v Speaker 1>over over a two hundred and thirty seven million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty, according to data compiled by open Secrets,

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<v Speaker 1>which is uh yeah, it's uh that biggest biggest payments

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<v Speaker 1>came from a national GOP Congressional Committee and America First Action,

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<v Speaker 1>which is of a superPAC ran by pro Trump folks.

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<v Speaker 1>So that this is this is the group that was

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<v Speaker 1>that was doing a lot of the behind this and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff to specifically tie tiktokoto making it look bad, to

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<v Speaker 1>specifically make Facebook look good and push people more onto Facebook.

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<v Speaker 1>When this article first dropped, I know, Robert you said that, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a interesting, interesting little thing that is probably

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<v Speaker 1>worth talking about in terms of how it affects politics

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<v Speaker 1>and social media and like the intersection thereof yeah, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit, so a lot of a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the news dropped about this because of employees with the firm.

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<v Speaker 1>We're tasked to undermine TikTok through nationwide media and while

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<v Speaker 1>being campaign and then lots of their internal emails for

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<v Speaker 1>this effort were shared with Washington Post. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>this is how we kind of fed out about this.

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<v Speaker 1>More recently, their task was to quote get the message

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<v Speaker 1>out that while meta Facebook is the current punching bag,

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<v Speaker 1>TikTok is the real threat, especially as a four non

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<v Speaker 1>app that is number one and sharing data that young

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<v Speaker 1>teens are using, according to the director of the firm.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is that's the type of stuff they're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about behind the scenes in terms of how they're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to push push stuff to get people stopped talking about

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<v Speaker 1>how bad Facebook is. Because this was also right after

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<v Speaker 1>all of like the Facebook Bright part stuff was happening

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of how much Facebook pushes extremist content to

0:28:15.000 --> 0:28:18.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, boomers and stuff. And then the other thing

0:28:18.640 --> 0:28:22.320
<v Speaker 1>that they were doing was specifically trying to craft messaging

0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:28.240
<v Speaker 1>to get bills past and try to get attorneys general

0:28:28.680 --> 0:28:34.520
<v Speaker 1>to focus on to focus on this to launch investigations

0:28:34.520 --> 0:28:38.760
<v Speaker 1>into how like TikTok harms children and teens, and that

0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:41.040
<v Speaker 1>part actually was successful, so you can you can look

0:28:41.040 --> 0:28:44.080
<v Speaker 1>at the emails talking about this plan, and then soon

0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:46.640
<v Speaker 1>after there was actually a coalition of a state attorneys

0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:49.680
<v Speaker 1>general to launch a probe into whether TikTok is harmful

0:28:49.720 --> 0:28:51.959
<v Speaker 1>to children and teens, So you can actually look at

0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:53.480
<v Speaker 1>the behind the scenes stuff that they were trying to

0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:55.720
<v Speaker 1>do and then see how fast they were successful in

0:28:55.880 --> 0:28:58.800
<v Speaker 1>doing this stuff. And all this also comes at the

0:28:58.800 --> 0:29:03.360
<v Speaker 1>point that Facebook was for the first time actually losing users,

0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:07.040
<v Speaker 1>and as soon as TikTok was launched and got so

0:29:07.280 --> 0:29:09.760
<v Speaker 1>much more popular, it also took down a whole bunch

0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:12.440
<v Speaker 1>of users from from Instagram, which was also owned by

0:29:12.440 --> 0:29:16.560
<v Speaker 1>Facebook obviously, so there's there's a Facebook. Researchers said that

0:29:16.560 --> 0:29:18.840
<v Speaker 1>teens were spending about three times there's more time on

0:29:18.880 --> 0:29:22.160
<v Speaker 1>TikTok than Instagram, and this is this was all part

0:29:22.160 --> 0:29:24.440
<v Speaker 1>of the same kind of overall effort to both like

0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:27.880
<v Speaker 1>do stuff to influence elections and politics, but also just

0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:31.520
<v Speaker 1>do stuff to make kids think Facebook is cool, which

0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:37.120
<v Speaker 1>good good luck with that one. Then, in terms of

0:29:37.120 --> 0:29:40.480
<v Speaker 1>like the devious licks stuff. Uh. In other emails that

0:29:40.480 --> 0:29:43.160
<v Speaker 1>that were that that were leaked, Uh, we got we

0:29:43.200 --> 0:29:47.640
<v Speaker 1>got a targeted victory. People urging their partners to push

0:29:47.720 --> 0:29:50.480
<v Speaker 1>false stories to look or you know, stories that are

0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:54.920
<v Speaker 1>sometimes tied in truth, but amplifying them, tying TikTok to

0:29:55.160 --> 0:29:59.120
<v Speaker 1>various like dangerous, dangerous trends, you know, in terms of

0:29:59.120 --> 0:30:01.920
<v Speaker 1>like save the children and rhetoric. Right, this idea that

0:30:02.000 --> 0:30:04.600
<v Speaker 1>face that that TikTok is harmful to the well being

0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:07.920
<v Speaker 1>of kids. One of the emails has has a line

0:30:07.960 --> 0:30:10.480
<v Speaker 1>here saying that the dream would be to get stories

0:30:10.520 --> 0:30:14.280
<v Speaker 1>with headlines like from dances to danger how TikTok has

0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:17.520
<v Speaker 1>become the most harmful social media's face for kids. So

0:30:18.080 --> 0:30:23.080
<v Speaker 1>that's the type of headlines they're like trying to push. Yeah,

0:30:23.120 --> 0:30:27.240
<v Speaker 1>it's one of the things that they do is trying

0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:30.480
<v Speaker 1>to amplify negative TikTok coverage. They have the Scoogle document

0:30:30.640 --> 0:30:35.440
<v Speaker 1>titled bad TikTok Clips, which was shared internally and included

0:30:35.480 --> 0:30:39.080
<v Speaker 1>links to dubious news stories setting TikTok as the original

0:30:39.440 --> 0:30:45.440
<v Speaker 1>point of various like dangerous teen trends, and they were

0:30:45.560 --> 0:30:47.440
<v Speaker 1>they were trying to like take these stories and push

0:30:47.520 --> 0:30:49.760
<v Speaker 1>them out through other means, you know, so on Facebook

0:30:49.760 --> 0:30:52.120
<v Speaker 1>and stuff. Right to take any instance of this and

0:30:52.240 --> 0:30:55.560
<v Speaker 1>boost it like inorganically. Right, it's people's jobs to use

0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:59.120
<v Speaker 1>social media to affect public opinion. So one trend that

0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:03.600
<v Speaker 1>target Victory specifically was enhancing was the devious licks challenge,

0:31:04.920 --> 0:31:08.600
<v Speaker 1>including the initial one to vandalize the school property. Through

0:31:08.720 --> 0:31:13.120
<v Speaker 1>the bad TikTok Clips document, the firm was pushing stories

0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:18.400
<v Speaker 1>about the devious les challenge across in local media across Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota,

0:31:18.640 --> 0:31:21.480
<v Speaker 1>Rhode Island, and Washington DC. I do find it interesting

0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:23.880
<v Speaker 1>that they have a lot of these ones closer to Washington,

0:31:23.920 --> 0:31:27.800
<v Speaker 1>DC to specifically affect politicians, Like they're doing stuff to

0:31:27.840 --> 0:31:33.760
<v Speaker 1>amplify stuff to convince politicians specifically to start making political changes.

0:31:34.800 --> 0:31:39.800
<v Speaker 1>And this actually led Senator Richard Bluementhal, a Democrat from Connecticut,

0:31:39.840 --> 0:31:42.800
<v Speaker 1>to write a letter in September calling on TikTok executives

0:31:42.840 --> 0:31:46.240
<v Speaker 1>to testify in front of a Senate committee, saying that

0:31:46.240 --> 0:31:48.920
<v Speaker 1>the app has been repeatedly misused and abused to promote

0:31:48.920 --> 0:31:53.200
<v Speaker 1>behavior and actions that encourage harmful and destructive acts. So yeah,

0:31:53.480 --> 0:31:56.520
<v Speaker 1>like it worked, like they're specifically targeting the type of

0:31:56.560 --> 0:31:59.560
<v Speaker 1>news that politicians will see in areas that politicians live,

0:31:59.760 --> 0:32:02.760
<v Speaker 1>to get them to start trying to affect change around

0:32:02.840 --> 0:32:06.120
<v Speaker 1>social media, specifically the social media that kids use, and

0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:10.000
<v Speaker 1>amplifying the social media that boomers use. Facebook, which is

0:32:10.040 --> 0:32:13.800
<v Speaker 1>already is like a cesspool of spreading conservative disinformation. That's

0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:15.920
<v Speaker 1>like the entire that's the entire bit that they're trying

0:32:15.920 --> 0:32:20.080
<v Speaker 1>to do here, And so they were working on the

0:32:20.080 --> 0:32:24.520
<v Speaker 1>original September challenge. Also in October, Targeted Victory was working

0:32:24.560 --> 0:32:27.200
<v Speaker 1>to spread the rumors of the slap a teacher TikTok challenge,

0:32:27.200 --> 0:32:29.920
<v Speaker 1>which as we know, was not actually a TikTok challenge,

0:32:30.840 --> 0:32:34.080
<v Speaker 1>but they they were doing. They were also contributing to

0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:39.040
<v Speaker 1>inflating this this this trend, which is funny because obviously

0:32:39.040 --> 0:32:41.600
<v Speaker 1>they were being paid by Facebook, they were being paid

0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:45.760
<v Speaker 1>by the GOP and you know, Facebook is the place

0:32:45.800 --> 0:32:50.280
<v Speaker 1>where this actually started. Yeah, so you know, but like

0:32:50.320 --> 0:32:52.480
<v Speaker 1>again with every if you can tie anything to like

0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:54.320
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of truth, it makes whatever story you're

0:32:54.320 --> 0:32:58.680
<v Speaker 1>trying to make so much more impactful. Right, The firm

0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:01.920
<v Speaker 1>was careful to you both like genuine concerns and then

0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:05.920
<v Speaker 1>just amplify them or exaggerate them into like unfounded anxieties

0:33:06.560 --> 0:33:09.600
<v Speaker 1>to to you know, get people to start questioning the

0:33:09.640 --> 0:33:14.720
<v Speaker 1>safety of these of these applications. So it's a it's

0:33:14.760 --> 0:33:16.280
<v Speaker 1>a it's actually it's actually it's like a it's a

0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:18.280
<v Speaker 1>pretty clever setup that they have they have going here,

0:33:18.680 --> 0:33:21.360
<v Speaker 1>and they've been really successful. Like it's it's like, you know,

0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:25.320
<v Speaker 1>the the the October Davious lex trend with like this

0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:30.160
<v Speaker 1>with slap teacher was extremely extremely, extremely success successful in

0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:33.680
<v Speaker 1>terms of how they affect what is seen as truth

0:33:33.760 --> 0:33:36.360
<v Speaker 1>and how and how how much news stories and how

0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:39.840
<v Speaker 1>much news coverage was just kind of unconsciously and just

0:33:39.960 --> 0:33:44.600
<v Speaker 1>mindlessly repeating the stuff that they've heard. The other funny

0:33:44.640 --> 0:33:50.200
<v Speaker 1>thing that that target Targeted Victory does is, uh, they

0:33:50.240 --> 0:33:54.480
<v Speaker 1>they help write letters that are from concerned parents quote

0:33:54.520 --> 0:33:57.760
<v Speaker 1>unquote that gets sent out to newspapers to be published

0:33:57.800 --> 0:34:00.640
<v Speaker 1>in their like letters to the editor section. Yeah there

0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:06.280
<v Speaker 1>we go. Yeah, So they specifically try to write off

0:34:06.400 --> 0:34:09.240
<v Speaker 1>eds targeting TikTok and then place them in around the country,

0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:13.640
<v Speaker 1>especially in key congressional districts. On March twelfth, a letter

0:34:13.640 --> 0:34:17.359
<v Speaker 1>to the editor that targeted Victory officials helped write ran

0:34:17.480 --> 0:34:20.600
<v Speaker 1>in the in the Denver Post The letter said it

0:34:20.680 --> 0:34:24.440
<v Speaker 1>was from a concerned new Parrot, and it claimed that

0:34:24.520 --> 0:34:28.000
<v Speaker 1>TikTok was harmful to children's mental health, raising concerns over

0:34:28.040 --> 0:34:30.800
<v Speaker 1>it's like, you know, data privacy, and that many people

0:34:30.880 --> 0:34:35.680
<v Speaker 1>suspect that China is deliberately collecting behavioral data on our kids.

0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:40.879
<v Speaker 1>They're trying to hack our children's brains. The letter also

0:34:40.920 --> 0:34:47.040
<v Speaker 1>issued support for Colorado Attorney General Phil Wiser weight Wheezers.

0:34:47.160 --> 0:34:50.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say Weezer Yep, yep, yep, yep, Phil Weezer's

0:34:50.760 --> 0:34:56.600
<v Speaker 1>famed founder of the band Weezer. They were, yeah, but

0:34:56.680 --> 0:35:00.399
<v Speaker 1>the letter issued support for him, including his is to

0:35:00.560 --> 0:35:04.440
<v Speaker 1>join a coalition of attorney general investigating TikTok's impact on

0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:09.560
<v Speaker 1>American youths. So yeah. There was a very similar letter, uh,

0:35:09.640 --> 0:35:13.439
<v Speaker 1>drafted by Targeted Victory again that ran in in other

0:35:13.560 --> 0:35:16.760
<v Speaker 1>other kind of smaller local papers throughout the country trying

0:35:16.760 --> 0:35:20.280
<v Speaker 1>to link negative news stories about TikTok that Targeted Victory

0:35:20.320 --> 0:35:23.320
<v Speaker 1>had specifically sought to amplify. Some of the letters that

0:35:23.360 --> 0:35:25.680
<v Speaker 1>were getting circulated were signed by like members at the

0:35:25.719 --> 0:35:28.640
<v Speaker 1>Democratic Party. They were they were They were signed by

0:35:28.680 --> 0:35:31.719
<v Speaker 1>various politicians in terms of like no trying to create

0:35:31.719 --> 0:35:34.000
<v Speaker 1>this thing that looks grassroots to this prenator out and

0:35:34.000 --> 0:35:36.120
<v Speaker 1>be like, hey, we have these concerns. Do you want

0:35:36.120 --> 0:35:38.680
<v Speaker 1>to do you endorse our concerns so then they can

0:35:38.719 --> 0:35:41.120
<v Speaker 1>then make it seem way more legit than just like

0:35:41.160 --> 0:35:47.400
<v Speaker 1>a concerned parent. Uh, it's it's pretty good, you know.

0:35:47.520 --> 0:35:50.880
<v Speaker 1>An email sent a few weeks ago targeted Victory asked

0:35:50.920 --> 0:35:53.520
<v Speaker 1>their teams to be prepared to share the opense that

0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:56.640
<v Speaker 1>you're working on right now. Uh, Colorado and Iowa, can

0:35:56.640 --> 0:35:58.520
<v Speaker 1>you talk? Can you talk about the TikTok opens you

0:35:58.560 --> 0:36:00.719
<v Speaker 1>got you you you both but you both got. So

0:36:00.719 --> 0:36:06.000
<v Speaker 1>they're specifically targeting districts where the Senate Senate like challenges

0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:09.359
<v Speaker 1>are actually more of a more more of a toss up.

0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:13.200
<v Speaker 1>So specifically trying to do this whole TikTok is dangerous

0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:16.359
<v Speaker 1>to the kids thing in these in these places, it's

0:36:16.520 --> 0:36:20.239
<v Speaker 1>uh yeah, it's a it's it's it's pretty it's pretty fun.

0:36:20.360 --> 0:36:22.719
<v Speaker 1>Because none of these letters, none of these op eds,

0:36:23.320 --> 0:36:25.680
<v Speaker 1>if you read them, there's no indication that Facebook is

0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:29.399
<v Speaker 1>funding them. There's no indication that the GOP is funding them. Right,

0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:31.040
<v Speaker 1>It's that is the it is the whole like astro

0:36:31.200 --> 0:36:33.439
<v Speaker 1>AstroTurf thing, right, that is, that is the entire idea

0:36:33.520 --> 0:36:37.200
<v Speaker 1>is that they look they look totally legit. So anyway,

0:36:37.280 --> 0:36:40.640
<v Speaker 1>that was that was my my, my, those those were

0:36:40.719 --> 0:36:44.160
<v Speaker 1>right notes in terms of the what the DV slicks

0:36:44.239 --> 0:36:46.799
<v Speaker 1>and the SABA teacher thing actually was, and then how

0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:49.120
<v Speaker 1>there was all this behind the scenes fuckery trying to

0:36:49.200 --> 0:36:52.680
<v Speaker 1>inflate it, and how it's specifically getting inflated to tie

0:36:52.760 --> 0:36:57.640
<v Speaker 1>into like local elections that are happening in the mid terms. Yeah,

0:36:57.680 --> 0:37:00.120
<v Speaker 1>what what thoughts, what thoughts do y'all have on on

0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:05.399
<v Speaker 1>these on these fun, fun little disinformation rackets they have

0:37:05.560 --> 0:37:09.279
<v Speaker 1>they have going on. We might do like another full

0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:10.839
<v Speaker 1>episode on this at some point. But there's there's an

0:37:10.880 --> 0:37:14.520
<v Speaker 1>interesting angle here where Facebook's one sort of taking the

0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:16.399
<v Speaker 1>China angle on this a lot, and it's like, yeah,

0:37:16.480 --> 0:37:18.640
<v Speaker 1>it comes at less in this, but yeah, you in this.

0:37:18.719 --> 0:37:22.839
<v Speaker 1>They they founded this, uh, they founded this advocacy group

0:37:22.880 --> 0:37:26.440
<v Speaker 1>called I think it's American Edge, where they have all

0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:29.320
<v Speaker 1>these things that are like, uh, that's like them in

0:37:29.360 --> 0:37:31.919
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of weapons manufacturers, like, founded this lobbying group

0:37:31.920 --> 0:37:35.600
<v Speaker 1>and they keep saying things like, oh, China's threatening our

0:37:35.640 --> 0:37:39.319
<v Speaker 1>competitive edge. So we can't do anti trust legislation. If

0:37:39.320 --> 0:37:42.080
<v Speaker 1>we do anti trust legislation, the Russia China alliance will

0:37:42.120 --> 0:37:44.160
<v Speaker 1>like defeat the US. And so it's interesting. That's like

0:37:44.160 --> 0:37:47.799
<v Speaker 1>they're I don't know if Facebook seems to have like

0:37:49.160 --> 0:37:51.160
<v Speaker 1>well okay, so so they have this problem where like

0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:55.640
<v Speaker 1>the metaphorse stuff just flops and they're like, oh no,

0:37:55.680 --> 0:37:58.360
<v Speaker 1>we need to make money. And it's like, well, okay,

0:37:58.400 --> 0:38:02.640
<v Speaker 1>so you know there's the the two ways to make money,

0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:05.000
<v Speaker 1>or you create something that people want to use, and

0:38:05.160 --> 0:38:09.040
<v Speaker 1>that's hard. That's hard. They did that once and then

0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:13.200
<v Speaker 1>they accidentally turned it into an engine that breaks democracy

0:38:13.400 --> 0:38:16.400
<v Speaker 1>and accelerates ethnic cleansings. So yeah, you don't want them.

0:38:16.440 --> 0:38:19.359
<v Speaker 1>You don't want them trying to make another new thing. Yeah. Well,

0:38:19.960 --> 0:38:22.440
<v Speaker 1>the other thing Targeted Victory was doing was specifically amplifying

0:38:22.680 --> 0:38:26.920
<v Speaker 1>pro Facebook content. Yeah, but like how Facebook is supporting

0:38:27.120 --> 0:38:29.520
<v Speaker 1>local black owned businesses and like all all all that

0:38:29.680 --> 0:38:31.640
<v Speaker 1>sort of thing. Yeah. Yeah, so you know you have

0:38:31.640 --> 0:38:32.920
<v Speaker 1>that on the one hand, or it's like yeah, they're

0:38:32.920 --> 0:38:35.080
<v Speaker 1>not they're not doing anything else. And the second way

0:38:35.120 --> 0:38:37.920
<v Speaker 1>they that you do this stuff is by strategic sabotage

0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:40.239
<v Speaker 1>of your competition. And this is what Facebook is doing

0:38:40.360 --> 0:38:43.000
<v Speaker 1>right now is and they've launched basically full on in

0:38:43.080 --> 0:38:46.920
<v Speaker 1>strategic sabotage angle. They've launched into this this sort of

0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:50.680
<v Speaker 1>like preemptive defense stuff about anti trust being like, ah, hey,

0:38:50.719 --> 0:38:54.279
<v Speaker 1>look at China. If we yeah, if we don't have

0:38:54.600 --> 0:38:59.440
<v Speaker 1>tech monopolies doing genocides, China will have tech monopolies doing genocides.

0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:01.239
<v Speaker 1>And it's like That's the other funny thing is that

0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:04.640
<v Speaker 1>whenever Zuckerberg gets accused of trying to create monopolies around

0:39:04.680 --> 0:39:11.239
<v Speaker 1>social media, he's always like, but TikTok exists, But no,

0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:14.200
<v Speaker 1>it's great because yeah, like they they like specifically say this.

0:39:14.320 --> 0:39:16.840
<v Speaker 1>They their quote is, we need to get that message

0:39:16.840 --> 0:39:20.200
<v Speaker 1>out that while Facebook is the current punching bag, TikTok

0:39:20.360 --> 0:39:23.320
<v Speaker 1>is the real threat, especially as a foreign owned app

0:39:23.960 --> 0:39:27.000
<v Speaker 1>like that. That is that is the actual quote. That's like, yeah,

0:39:27.040 --> 0:39:30.239
<v Speaker 1>they're specifically doing that exact thing. Yeah, they're the leading

0:39:30.239 --> 0:39:32.960
<v Speaker 1>youth is nfobiaing institution because you can watch them sort

0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:36.120
<v Speaker 1>of pushing all of the like the political buttons of

0:39:36.120 --> 0:39:37.839
<v Speaker 1>the last few years. It's like they're they're they're they're

0:39:38.080 --> 0:39:42.120
<v Speaker 1>basically replaying like the Trump like the Trump right stuff, right,

0:39:42.239 --> 0:39:44.359
<v Speaker 1>Like they figure out that rhetoric works. So they're doing Okay,

0:39:44.400 --> 0:39:47.080
<v Speaker 1>they're doing this sort of like uh like they're doing

0:39:47.160 --> 0:39:50.759
<v Speaker 1>sort of anti China's cenophobia. They're doing save the children. Yep,

0:39:50.840 --> 0:39:53.279
<v Speaker 1>they're doing like they're doing all of this like your

0:39:53.320 --> 0:39:56.759
<v Speaker 1>kids are unsafe stuff and yeah it's it's working great

0:39:56.800 --> 0:40:02.000
<v Speaker 1>for them. So this is this is fun U. Yeah, yeah, no,

0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:05.319
<v Speaker 1>it's yeah, they're they're they're definitely trying yep. I mean,

0:40:05.360 --> 0:40:08.960
<v Speaker 1>and the specific things that targeted Victory tries to do

0:40:09.160 --> 0:40:11.840
<v Speaker 1>the place that's funded by both Facebook and the GOP

0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:16.520
<v Speaker 1>is that they specialize in Uh. Well, they they say

0:40:16.520 --> 0:40:20.320
<v Speaker 1>they do. They do crisis practice and corporate affairs offerings,

0:40:21.000 --> 0:40:24.880
<v Speaker 1>uh for for their clients growing need for the issues

0:40:24.920 --> 0:40:29.200
<v Speaker 1>of management and executive positioning, saying that it wants to

0:40:29.239 --> 0:40:33.719
<v Speaker 1>focus on efforts to move toward authentic storytelling with a

0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:37.839
<v Speaker 1>hyperlocal approach. So that is that's all the words they

0:40:37.960 --> 0:40:41.800
<v Speaker 1>used to talk about how they do grassroots disinformation authentic

0:40:41.840 --> 0:40:47.360
<v Speaker 1>storytelling with a hyperlocal approach. Yeah, faking letters from parents

0:40:47.400 --> 0:40:50.200
<v Speaker 1>to local news sites who are hungry for content in

0:40:50.320 --> 0:40:53.839
<v Speaker 1>order to cause a moral panic about TikTok. Yeah, I mean,

0:40:53.880 --> 0:40:56.400
<v Speaker 1>on average people trust their local news way more than

0:40:56.400 --> 0:40:58.880
<v Speaker 1>they trust their national news. So they shouldn't because they

0:40:59.560 --> 0:41:02.279
<v Speaker 1>should not because it's all read by like two companies.

0:41:02.680 --> 0:41:06.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah uh so yeah, I mean, but like they have

0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:08.200
<v Speaker 1>they have a lot of money. They've they have a

0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:11.040
<v Speaker 1>lot of money. It's there. It's the they're they're one

0:41:11.080 --> 0:41:16.520
<v Speaker 1>of the biggest recipients of Republican campaigns spending. Now they're

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<v Speaker 1>receiving money from Facebook. They happen for a while, but

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<v Speaker 1>they're spending, They're they're spending more money now. Uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And I think this is a it's really important to

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<v Speaker 1>be skeptical of online trends because turns out online trends

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<v Speaker 1>can be pretty astroturfed. I mean, we can look right

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<v Speaker 1>now at all of the all of like the groomer stuff. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Online trends do not need to be organic. Uh they're

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<v Speaker 1>like I always say, the next time you feel like

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<v Speaker 1>you see something on Facebook or Twitter and you feel

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<v Speaker 1>like you want to share it because it's outrageous, instead

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<v Speaker 1>just go set off a bomb at a power substation. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>just simple ethical behavior. That'll that that won't play into

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<v Speaker 1>these people's hands. And in terms of all of the

0:41:59.760 --> 0:42:04.040
<v Speaker 1>stuff that like with Facebook, trying to specifically demonize kids

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<v Speaker 1>demonized TikTok to influence elections. Like, if you're interested in

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<v Speaker 1>what trends kids are actually into, just just like ask them,

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<v Speaker 1>like you could talk to them like with like words

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<v Speaker 1>and like with your mouth and use your like human ears. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>because it turns out they will actually explain it. Because yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and if just if anyone asked a kid about this

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<v Speaker 1>list of challenges in like October, they would say, No,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's not a thing. That's that's not that seems

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<v Speaker 1>something like adults are really interested in. But nope, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not actually a thing. Just assume they're basically the same

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<v Speaker 1>that kids always are, but with different like technology and shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Like when I was a kid and our senior class,

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of kids conspired to crash a car into

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<v Speaker 1>the little pond that was on campus because it was

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<v Speaker 1>destructive and funny. Kids like to do destructive funny things.

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<v Speaker 1>Kids don't like to do whatever April egg bullshit or

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<v Speaker 1>grip takes. That's all of the challenges that are just

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<v Speaker 1>like sexual assaults. You're like, that's actually not something that

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of kids are into. It turns out just

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<v Speaker 1>like kind of things back to being in like like

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<v Speaker 1>tenth grade and would you have giggled at this If so,

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<v Speaker 1>it's probably a thing some kids have done. Like it's

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<v Speaker 1>as simple as that. So anyway, with this is the

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<v Speaker 1>episode we wanted to do specifically on how just like

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<v Speaker 1>social media disacformation is trying to affect elections, leading to

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<v Speaker 1>leading to leading into the midterms, and then tomorrow we

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<v Speaker 1>will discuss more midterm related stuff with all of this

0:43:36.120 --> 0:43:38.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff with with all of this like disafformation stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>TikTok and Facebook stuff, all kind of just like floating

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<v Speaker 1>in the back of our minds as we move on

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<v Speaker 1>to talking about the mid terms and why and how

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<v Speaker 1>they might you know, affect politics going forward, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know how they might affect you know stuff or unclimate

0:43:53.280 --> 0:43:57.279
<v Speaker 1>change stuff around different you know, mini collapses, all of that,

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<v Speaker 1>all that good stuff. So but I think as it

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<v Speaker 1>looks like we have we have reached the time that

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<v Speaker 1>we need to do today. So I believe that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>for us this week if you want to if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to do the social media is because hey, after

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about social media for like fifty minutes, Yeah,

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