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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.

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Speaker 2: We've got a great program for you tonight. Danielshian back

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Speaker 2: with us. Holds a unique perspective as special council to

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Speaker 2: the nineteen seventy seven US Congressional Research Services Official Report

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Speaker 2: to President Jimmy Carter of the Potential existence of extraterrestrial

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Speaker 2: intelligence in the UFO phenomenon, as the nineteen ninety four

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Speaker 2: attorney for doctor John Mack of the Harvard Medical School,

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Speaker 2: author of Abduction Human Encounters with Aliens, as the former

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Speaker 2: twenty year General Council of the two thousand and one

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Speaker 2: Disclosure Project, as General Counsel of the twenty thirteen Citizens

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Speaker 2: Public Hearings on Disclosure, and as the current attorney for

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Speaker 2: Luis Alissando, the director of the ten year Top Seeker

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Speaker 2: United States Pentagons Classified Investigation of UFO UAP Phenomena. Daniel

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Speaker 2: was also the seventies and eighties General Counsel to the

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Speaker 2: United States Jesuit Headquarters in Washington, DC, National Office of

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Speaker 2: Social Ministry.

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Speaker 3: What a Bio. Daniel, Welcome back.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, George. Good to be with you again, Are

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Speaker 4: you Ben Ben busy as you might guess?

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Speaker 3: My gosh, it really is.

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Speaker 2: Was it the work as a special counsul in seventy seven?

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Speaker 3: What got you into all of this?

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's what it began. When I was at Jesuit headquarters.

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Speaker 4: I was contacted just almost immediately after President Carter was

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Speaker 4: elected in November of nineteen seventy six. I was contacted

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Speaker 4: by Marshall Smith, the head of the Congressional Research Service

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Speaker 4: Science and Technology Division. She'd been tasked by the President

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Speaker 4: to find what the documents were, what type of evidence

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Speaker 4: we had in our possession in the United States government

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Speaker 4: to address the issue of the UFO phenomenon and any

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Speaker 4: extraterrestrial civilization. That was the task he assigned to her,

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Speaker 4: and she contacted me at Jesuit headquarters and asked if

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Speaker 4: I would become general counsel to the investigation and initially

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Speaker 4: assist in getting access to the Vatican through the Jesuit

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Speaker 4: order to see what they had on the subject.

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Speaker 3: When did you become a believer?

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Speaker 4: Well, I was confident that with all the billions and

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Speaker 4: billions of stars I checked out, there's five hundred billion

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Speaker 4: star systems just in our galaxy, and I was confident

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Speaker 4: that the substantial majority of them had planets orbiting around them.

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Speaker 4: So I knew from the time that I was very

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Speaker 4: little that there were other living beings there, and I

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Speaker 4: followed all the information about UFOs, et cetera. But when

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Speaker 4: I became a general counsel, a special counsel to the

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Speaker 4: investigation requested by President Carter, I was given access to

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Speaker 4: the classified Project Blue Book, which was the major US

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Speaker 4: Air Force study from nineteen seventy two to resuming nineteen

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Speaker 4: fifty two to nineteen sixty seven, and I saw in

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Speaker 4: the classified portions of Project Blue Book actual photographs of

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Speaker 4: crash retrieval going on by the United States Air Force,

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Speaker 4: and so I knew for sure that this was going on,

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Speaker 4: and I shared that information with Jesuit headquarters and we

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Speaker 4: followed up on it, and I was shown other photographs

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Speaker 4: the observatory at Castle Gondelfo and they shared with me

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Speaker 4: the fact that there was another very sophisticated non human

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Speaker 4: had request that we do everything we could do to

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Speaker 4: philosophical and theological implications of the existence of another highly

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Speaker 4: here in our galaxy. So that's what I've been doing

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Speaker 4: basically for forty eight years since I first became involved

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Speaker 4: the show, I've had a number of different positions and

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Speaker 4: posts through which I've done this. So that's what we're doing.

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Speaker 4: And as of right now, as you know, i'm legal

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Speaker 4: So the thing we're doing very busily right now, and

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Speaker 4: I'm working to help draft the new stand alone UFO

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Speaker 4: et Disclosure Act if we're unable to in the final

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Speaker 4: Then we're going to be introducing Eric is going to

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Speaker 2: Eric Burlson is a congressman out of Missouri, and he's

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Speaker 2: into this in a big way, isn't he.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Well, he has the sort of the brief on

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Speaker 4: the Jeffrey Epstein documents. And so the chairperson of that

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Speaker 4: task force, that Anna Paulina Luna, she's taken up pretty

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Speaker 4: And so she has handed off the major responsibility for

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Speaker 4: in charge of constructing the statute, the new standalone statute

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Speaker 4: pursued into which Congress is going to be asserting its

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Speaker 2: Let's go back to nineteen seventy seven, Daniel, what was

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Speaker 2: under the President Jimmy Carter.

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Speaker 4: Well, what happened is that right after President Carter was

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Speaker 4: meet with him at Carter's home, even before President elect

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Speaker 4: He had been appointed by Gerald Ford when he came

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Speaker 4: excuse me, if Jimmy Carter would have him have Bush

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Speaker 4: And that's how that began. Back in the immediately in

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Speaker 2: How long did that investigation last, Daniel, because it seems

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Speaker 2: like after it ended, this incredible lull of anything else.

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Speaker 3: What happened, Well.

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Speaker 4: It's interesting that the information was given over to a

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Speaker 4: So that's just one of the many things that were

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Speaker 4: now semi officially acknowledged as part of this new disclosure process.

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Speaker 4: It is presently under way.

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Speaker 3: We're talking with Daniel Shean.

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Speaker 2: His website is linked up at Coast tocostam dot com. Daniel,

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Speaker 2: I know you're under attorney client privilege, but give us

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Speaker 4: Well, Lou, as you know, ironically, lou had come out

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Speaker 4: His father was one of the refugees who had fled

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Speaker 4: So Lou comes out of a very conservative group that

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Speaker 4: In two thousand and seven, he became the chief of

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Speaker 4: He had been summoned by Jay Stratton, who was the head.

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Speaker 4: taking these UFOs into possession and engaged in a program

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Speaker 4: the intelligence community and inside the executive branch not to

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Speaker 4: reveal this information to Congress, which is a flagrant violation

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Speaker 4: of the Constitution, the separation of powers. It's transparently evident

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Speaker 4: that the Congress of the United States has the ultimate

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