Speaker 1: Welcome to We Talk Back Podcast, the production of iHeartRadio
Speaker 1: and the Black Effect Network.
Speaker 2: We're just two unapologetically black women with an opinion to talks.
Speaker 1: What's up, Y'all's your girl? A j a holiday? What's up?
Speaker 1: Big Tam bam.
Speaker 2: Y'all, It's official team man. I love y'all so so
Speaker 2: very much. I love you agent.
Speaker 1: Look, I just be smiling where you do your part
Speaker 1: and I love you bad.
Speaker 2: How was your weekend?
Speaker 1: You know how to fuck? My weekend on was okay?
Speaker 2: With the world don't know.
Speaker 1: Prepared to record all day. I didn't have a weekend.
Speaker 1: Actually I really didn't. I'm still exhausted and working through
Speaker 1: the weekend right now. Okay, So that's where I'm at.
Speaker 1: I'm half dad, y'all. I'm making it. I'm drinking macha
Speaker 1: like the soft life bitches do, and it ain't.
Speaker 2: Working, y'all. We filmed four episodes for y'all over the weekend,
Speaker 2: so we got some content for y'all, not just audio
Speaker 2: but visual. So those will be up very soon, so
Speaker 2: y'all stay tuned for that.
Speaker 1: And we'll try to be consistent. You know, you might
Speaker 1: need to ask for a GoFundMe donations right to afford
Speaker 1: all this shit, but we're working on it. Tell you
Speaker 1: might have to, you might have to pop some pussy.
Speaker 1: Who you girl? I don't got no pussy. I didn't
Speaker 1: bring my pussy. I'll never bring my pussy with me.
Speaker 1: It's in at my fama house. Saved the deposit box.
Speaker 1: Let's Steven the six might as well. So what do
Speaker 1: we have going on this week and in the world
Speaker 1: aside from being at fucking war right now? David Banner
Speaker 1: says he refuses to do business with men who cheat. Okay,
Speaker 1: come on, David Banner. Now, I guess he can never
Speaker 1: be a man that cheats because he don't seem to
Speaker 1: be in a fucking relationships right. Where's your wife?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: I love David Banner. I think he's one of the
Speaker 1: finest black men out here.
Speaker 2: Okay, he is.
Speaker 1: Fo So David Banner refuses to do business with men
Speaker 1: who cheat on their wives based on advice from a mentor, Yes,
Speaker 1: because if you will cheat in your relationship, you will
Speaker 1: cheat in business.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Banner believes that trust and integrity are essential in business
Speaker 1: and personal relationships. Banner expressed his belief that he does
Speaker 1: not believe in the devil and that individuals need to
Speaker 1: take responsibility. I'll add accountability, okay, for their actions and
Speaker 1: fix themselves. His views on personal personal responsibility and self
Speaker 1: improvement sparked an interesting conversation during an interview with Shannon Sharp.
Speaker 1: I agree one point two to three million percent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. I love that let's start holding men
Speaker 2: accountable for cheating, I mean other men, because they'll, like
Speaker 2: we mentioned, they'll hold each other for accountable for being
Speaker 2: bad fathers, but they'll let each other cheat. So I
Speaker 2: think this is good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, because you know you don't have to cheat, right,
Speaker 1: you could actually be in a relationship with somebody who's
Speaker 1: okay with you having a variety. That is actually a thing.
Speaker 1: But men are tricking people into monogamous relationships a lot
Speaker 1: of times. Not just men like tell me like the ad,
Speaker 1: not just men man, my dad tell girl. We talked
Speaker 1: about these niggas, and obviously these niggas know how these
Speaker 1: niggas are right because David Bannon ain't going forward. So
Speaker 1: get into business with somebody who knows that you're not
Speaker 1: good at business. Come over here with that badass business,
Speaker 1: is what he's saying.
Speaker 2: Essentially, I'm with that after David Banner, we must just
Speaker 2: slide in his DMS.
Speaker 1: And no, I'm already in there. It's just like he
Speaker 1: both of ours. No, bitch, keep him at my house.
Speaker 2: Cardi B announced this new album finally to get an
Speaker 2: album out of Cardi B. So Cardi b sophomore album
Speaker 2: finally has a release date, with the superstar revealing Monday
Speaker 2: that I Am the Drama will come out one through
Speaker 2: Atlantic Records. I can't wait to hear. And we have
Speaker 2: not had an album from her since twenty eighteen, with
Speaker 2: her her debut Invasion of Privacy, which went on to
Speaker 2: win a Grammy for Best Rap Album in twenty nineteen
Speaker 2: and went four times platinum.
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
Speaker 1: She is one of the highest paid rappers right off
Speaker 1: of one album.
Speaker 2: Off of one album.
Speaker 1: I mean, Nicki Minaj, really, don't, you know, there's always
Speaker 1: the comparison. Nicki Minaj don't have a whole bunch of albums.
Speaker 1: She probably she probably dragged out that first album for
Speaker 1: a few years too.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's really dope though, but it's also scary.
Speaker 2: You know, he had an album since twenty nineteen and
Speaker 2: it's twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: She can deliver. She's gonna be alright, I love Gardi y'all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you know, y'all seen this recently. She had like
Speaker 1: a what was she at recently? Because Cardi B Is
Speaker 1: like to me also outside dropped. Yes, she is also
Speaker 1: her best stressed side.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she putting that shit on that song is like ooh,
Speaker 2: she really came for all sudden. This song is not
Speaker 2: nice at all. You know, you gotta really have a
Speaker 2: real disdain for your baby daddy.
Speaker 1: That is the word. Yes, that is the word. And
Speaker 1: she has it and I and I see why, and
Speaker 1: I think we all have. We all share the same
Speaker 1: disdain for offset. Right now, somebody commented off the you
Speaker 1: need to change his name to offset the cheat or
Speaker 1: some shit like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you still gotta remember, here's the thing that
Speaker 2: your kids are gonna grow up and hear this song,
Speaker 2: you know, And that's still you want them to respect
Speaker 2: their daddy, right despite the relationship that you and him hand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but even if she doesn't put that song out,
Speaker 1: the kids will grow up and realize daddy's be on
Speaker 1: some bullshit sometimes, right, So, but I.
Speaker 2: Think they still realize for themselves and not hear song.
Speaker 2: Tell your mama that she raised a bitch ass nigga,
Speaker 2: like you know something she said like that.
Speaker 1: I was like, I've set good on my damn nerves. Man,
Speaker 1: he just got whack. Like who else got whack after
Speaker 1: the woman left him? Like males like yeah, like they
Speaker 1: just get whack when that woman takes the energy away,
Speaker 1: because who are you now? Offset ain't in the group
Speaker 1: no more. She paid all that money to get you
Speaker 1: out of your contract with QC. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: Cardi B did it right. She did it right. She
Speaker 1: started her family, she wanted her, she fought for her family.
Speaker 1: She got one baby, daddy three kids. She probably doesn't
Speaker 1: and now she outside having fun, Okay, outside looking cute,
Speaker 1: running and playing with a nigga. Right and he about
Speaker 1: that life all right?
Speaker 2: So also, a new tour has been announced, the Boy
Speaker 2: is Mine Tour where Brandy, Monica and the others. Wow, no,
Speaker 2: I'm going they're gonna be in Chicago. Like I looked
Speaker 2: at the dates. I'm trying to go to the Chicago show.
Speaker 1: I wonder if ray J. I wonder if y J
Speaker 1: had anything to do do with this, because remember he
Speaker 1: was on Shannon Sharp and he was like, man, I'd
Speaker 1: be trying to get them together, and man, I've been
Speaker 1: trying to get them to go on tour da da da.
Speaker 1: They just won't do it. And now Henry are.
Speaker 2: Here, we are He manifested that because I would love that.
Speaker 2: That's one of the best songs of our young adult
Speaker 2: We wasn't even adult hit or no, we wasn't.
Speaker 1: We was kidding for sure. They were kids too with
Speaker 1: teenagers no business singing talking about the boy's mine job, please.
Speaker 2: The boy at least what the man is mine? Right,
Speaker 2: I'm going to one of those cities.
Speaker 1: I watch it on YouTube. I watched it.
Speaker 2: Into tracking back a little bit. So Offset was on
Speaker 2: something y'all and he revealed that Sabrina Carpenter as a
Speaker 2: celebrity curse.
Speaker 1: Oh as Sabrina Carpenter. I don't know who that is.
Speaker 2: What Sabrina Carpenter is that big?
Speaker 1: For real?
Speaker 2: Who is she? Google her?
Speaker 1: She's the actress?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, a singer. Offset revealed his celebrity crush to
Speaker 2: be Sabrina Carpenter during the interview with Internet Magician and
Speaker 2: the Guzman. Offset express surprise with Sabrina's name was revealed
Speaker 2: from a crumpled up piece of paper indicating his genuine
Speaker 2: interest in her.
Speaker 1: Oh that's.
Speaker 2: Because I was wondering why I was so magic. Hey,
Speaker 2: The rapper hinted that potential collaboration with Sabrina as their
Speaker 2: labor as they are labelmates, suggesting a future look up
Speaker 2: in the studio despite his previous involvement with Cardi B.
Speaker 2: Offset did not acknowledge her new album announcement, which is
Speaker 2: why would he?
Speaker 1: Because of a.
Speaker 3: Hat.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna send you some of her ship because she dope.
Speaker 2: She's so cute.
Speaker 1: Does she just have a baby and she has hispanic.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I can't tell. She could be white
Speaker 2: or anyway.
Speaker 1: Y'all, y'all know I ain't really hip. We got it,
Speaker 1: We got a You would know her if you saw
Speaker 1: her though. She's very okay, I see her. She had
Speaker 1: an album that just came out. I'm not gonna tell
Speaker 1: y'all where I saw it on because I feel like arguing.
Speaker 1: But she has an album that just came out, right,
Speaker 1: and she like getting dog walk on on the cover
Speaker 1: of the album. Let me sing if it's the same person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, she's white.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she got a new album that just that's dropping in.
Speaker 1: She got an album dropping in August called Man's best
Speaker 1: Friend and on the album cover like she's on her
Speaker 1: knees touching a man's leg and he has everybody here.
Speaker 1: So I guess she's saying she a bitch. Wasn't she
Speaker 1: on Nickelodeon?
Speaker 2: Oh? I don't know her history, but she had this
Speaker 2: song Espresso that was her hit that sit here in
Speaker 2: the start on Interesting.
Speaker 1: Well whatever, we'll see how that goes. Yeah, she was
Speaker 1: on Disney and Nickelodeon. Bitch. I know I ain't tripping,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I know once I saw the face. Yes, interesting. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I'll set.
Speaker 2: Y'all. We have a guest on the show today. We're
Speaker 2: talking journalism, AI, what the future holds for media and
Speaker 2: all things Simone Boyce, you guys, so stay tuned, will
Speaker 2: be right back.
Speaker 1: All right, y'all. So we are back and today we're
Speaker 1: talking truth, tea and takedowns or maybe not. Okay, we're
Speaker 1: living in the era of clickbait, clickbait culture, so journalistic
Speaker 1: integrity is super important, but facts don't always go viral
Speaker 1: a right, So today's guest is an Emmy nominated journalist
Speaker 1: and producer. She's a fellow podcaster co host of The
Speaker 1: Bright side and an on camera host who's covered everything
Speaker 1: from Capitol Hill to Hollywood red carpets, Simone Boys, welcome
Speaker 1: to We Talked Bay.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2: I'm so happy to be here, y'all. She a Battie too,
Speaker 2: and you're here, Yes, she's also at Batti. Thank you.
Speaker 3: Just threw together this whole seven minute beat before I
Speaker 3: hopped on here, so period.
Speaker 2: Say, listen, I was trying to put on our ab.
Speaker 2: I'm just not good at it. Okay, let me.
Speaker 3: I might be able to help because I have spent
Speaker 3: decades putting on fake eyelashes in the back of a
Speaker 3: news van, like that's going seventy miles per hour on
Speaker 3: a highway. So maybe do you put do you make
Speaker 3: the glue? Do you let it dry a little bit
Speaker 3: before you put it on? So I started doing that.
Speaker 2: I started trying to let it dry a little bit
Speaker 2: before I put it on, but then I think I
Speaker 2: overdry it, so then like the outsides are sticking, but
Speaker 2: the inside is flapping up, and then I just throw
Speaker 2: that shit. I just I get frustrated.
Speaker 3: Is just the worst whenever you have that like one
Speaker 3: part of it that's just flapping up. I can always
Speaker 3: tell the next day when I look at my pictures,
Speaker 3: I'm like, damn, I should have brought my glue.
Speaker 1: All right, definitely travel glue. I use that weave glue.
Speaker 2: You you glue your lashes down with weave glue.
Speaker 1: I do sometimes like some I always carry like the
Speaker 1: real lace glue, I mean, the real lash glue. But
Speaker 1: I definitely be using that weave glue. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: what's the difference, right, It's going to the same It's
Speaker 1: the same thing.
Speaker 3: Do you say them here trying to make us pay
Speaker 3: for the same products over and over again.
Speaker 1: And the lash goop class more than we've Okay, but.
Speaker 2: Do you have real eyelashes though, because I feel like
Speaker 2: we've glued is snatching your eyelashes out.
Speaker 1: But I take my lashes off every day, so I've
Speaker 1: never had voluptuous eyelashes or eyebrows for that matter. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: same one.
Speaker 2: You gonna have new lanx. All right, come on, let's
Speaker 2: get into simone. Let's talk to you.
Speaker 1: Let's do I was about to keep going on lashes,
Speaker 1: but you you're the host.
Speaker 2: Let's go. Great. So I have a question for you.
Speaker 2: You've worn many hats. News anchor entertainment reporter, cultural commentator
Speaker 2: who is Simon Boys off camera outside of a LASH expert.
Speaker 2: You know what's so funny about me?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have had a serious job for so many years,
Speaker 3: but I am so un serious off camera, and you'll
Speaker 3: probably get to know that about me during the course
Speaker 3: of this conversation. But I love to have fun. I
Speaker 3: love to goof off. I was the class clown. I
Speaker 3: still got big class clown energy. Oh yeah, I'm just
Speaker 3: I'm a goofy girl for real. I just I'm good
Speaker 3: at code switching.
Speaker 1: Interesting code switching. Do you think you tend to have
Speaker 1: to do that a lot in the industry you're in,
Speaker 1: you know, because I've always just I just always wanted
Speaker 1: to always just have, you know, a profession where I
Speaker 1: could just be myself. Right, So do you feel like
Speaker 1: you have to code switch a lot?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I actually do think you have to code switch a lot.
Speaker 3: I'm not even gonna front with you. It's more about
Speaker 3: just understanding the environment that you're in and understanding the
Speaker 3: responsibilities that you have.
Speaker 2: So I will say that it varies.
Speaker 3: Depending on what aspect of media that you work in.
Speaker 3: When I was a national news correspondent at NBC News
Speaker 3: definitely had to code switch because I was I was
Speaker 3: talking about very serious topics, you know, so I can't
Speaker 3: bring I can't bring my goofy, lighthearted self whenever I'm
Speaker 3: talking about tragedies on the air. However, as a podcaster,
Speaker 3: I feel like there's a lot less code switch. I
Speaker 3: think podcasting is a wonderful venue and wonderful media format
Speaker 3: because it does allow us to really show up as
Speaker 3: we are, and that's who the audience responds to the most. Like,
Speaker 3: don't y'all find that too in hosting your show.
Speaker 2: No, absolutely, we need to come and be ourselves and
Speaker 2: that's the best part about it.
Speaker 1: And then you know the people who frequent our personalities,
Speaker 1: you know, that's who's going to gravitate towards your content.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it is much easier. I couldn't imagine, you know,
Speaker 1: being on NBC News in acting.
Speaker 2: Having to assimilate all the time acting.
Speaker 3: You know what, and I you know what I think
Speaker 3: the best correspondents do is they're able to bring a
Speaker 3: piece of themselves to the work that they're doing. And
Speaker 3: that was always my goal is like, Okay, how can
Speaker 3: I be how can I show up as a real
Speaker 3: human whenever I'm telling this story, and then how can
Speaker 3: I bring out the humanity out of the people that
Speaker 3: I'm featuring in this story. So I think the best
Speaker 3: correspondence and the best anchors they do know how to
Speaker 3: bring a piece of themselves while also so giving the
Speaker 3: audience that sense of safety and authority they need whenever
Speaker 3: stuff's going down, you know, and they just need the facts.
Speaker 2: So let's talk about Bryce thatd I know you have
Speaker 2: a co host? Did you pick your co host or
Speaker 2: did Reese Witherspoon pick your co host? Like how did
Speaker 2: y'all come about like starting your podcast? Yes?
Speaker 3: So for this, it's so funny how that worked out.
Speaker 3: So I had a co host last season. Her name
Speaker 3: is Danielle robe I love her dearly. She is actually
Speaker 3: someone that I didn't know personally, but I knew of
Speaker 3: her because we had a lot of mutual friends for years.
Speaker 3: And it's really funny how this happened because last was
Speaker 3: it last summer or the summer before. A mutual friend
Speaker 3: of ours was like, Simone, you need to meet Danielle.
Speaker 3: I know I've been talking about her for years, but
Speaker 3: you guys got to link up. And I was like, yes, Okay, great.
Speaker 3: I'm you know, traveling right now, but when I come
Speaker 3: back and when i'm stationary, I would love to meet her.
Speaker 3: A few months later, we got matched together for this podcast.
Speaker 3: So it just felt really kismet that we had these
Speaker 3: people in our lives who were mutual friends and then
Speaker 3: we kind of just got brought together and we really
Speaker 3: hit it off. And it's very bettersweet because this season
Speaker 3: I am hosting The bright Side solo. Danielle is hosting
Speaker 3: a new podcast for Hello Sunshine, because we're expanding our
Speaker 3: podcast footprint. She's hosting one called Bookmarked and it's all
Speaker 3: about Reese's book Club. But I do cherish the memories
Speaker 3: that we had the first season, y'all. We had so
Speaker 3: much fun. I know y'all tour too, so we would,
Speaker 3: you know, go to south By Southwest or go travel together,
Speaker 3: and we just got so many stories.
Speaker 2: It was it was a lot of fun having a
Speaker 2: co host.
Speaker 1: Thanks.
Speaker 2: So y'all are separating. I did not know that that's unfortunate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we are going our own journeys, but we're still
Speaker 3: going to overlap a little bit here and there.
Speaker 2: Okay, so have you already started doing shows alone?
Speaker 3: I have, yes, Oh, yes, we've got not sure when
Speaker 3: this conversation is coming out, but probably a good handful
Speaker 3: of shows under our belt now with me as the host.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for you now, being biracial, being a biracial woman
Speaker 2: like affected in shape, the way you tell your story,
Speaker 2: I think it has. I think it has. You know.
Speaker 3: I'm very careful how I tried around this conversation because
Speaker 3: don't nobody want to hear no biracial tears? Myself included,
Speaker 3: you can do it here. No, no, no, do you
Speaker 3: want to hear no biracial tears? But I will say
Speaker 3: I will say that growing up mixed race, I kind
Speaker 3: of didn't know where to fit in and I experienced,
Speaker 3: I experienced a feeling of being othered by multiple communities.
Speaker 3: And I think what that allowed me to do is
Speaker 3: learn how to build bridges between different communities and learn
Speaker 3: how to understand people from all walks of life and
Speaker 3: start conversations with people who look different than me or
Speaker 3: came from different backgrounds to me. So I think it
Speaker 3: gave me a lot of curiosity culturally about wanting to
Speaker 3: learn about different cultures. And also I hope that it
Speaker 3: gave me this knack for connection and conversation, and so
Speaker 3: those are two things that I brought to my career
Speaker 3: as a journalist. I also just wanted to always tell
Speaker 3: stories that we're giving a voice to underrepresented voices. So
Speaker 3: I think I think that's all shaped by the perspective
Speaker 3: that I developed growing up as a mixed race child.
Speaker 1: So do you ever feel pressure to represent for your
Speaker 1: race or gender and space is where they really weren't
Speaker 1: built for you.
Speaker 3: That's a good question. I think that I think that
Speaker 3: it's I've felt a good pressure. I think there's been
Speaker 3: a really good pressure over the course of my career
Speaker 3: as a journalists. I've been in this game for almost
Speaker 3: fifteen years, and I think you know, about five years ago,
Speaker 3: when we saw the social and racial unrest of twenty twenty,
Speaker 3: that really became this rallying cry for change, for impact,
Speaker 3: for justice, and also for more accuracy and better representation
Speaker 3: in how we tell stories and in how the media
Speaker 3: tells stories. I see it as I see it as
Speaker 3: good pressure. I'm not one to to say that, you know,
Speaker 3: I resent any kind of pressure like that, because I
Speaker 3: don't I any opportunity that I get to represent for
Speaker 3: black folks, for mixed race folks, for anybody who is underrepresented.
Speaker 3: That is a true honor and privilege to me. I
Speaker 3: think that is our superpower as storytellers, is being able
Speaker 3: to hone in on what your unique POV is, because
Speaker 3: that POV, that's one in a million. No one else
Speaker 3: is going to have the same POV that you have.
Speaker 3: Not only is my POV shaped by, you know, being
Speaker 3: the daughter of a black mom and a white dad,
Speaker 3: But I also moved around a lot when I was
Speaker 3: growing up. I grew up in Miami, then I moved
Speaker 3: to Memphis, Tennessee, and then I moved back to Miami,
Speaker 3: and then I moved to LA and New York as
Speaker 3: a journalist. So moving around and just meet it, like
Speaker 3: I was saying earlier, like meeting people from all different
Speaker 3: types of backgrounds. That is a privilege to be able
Speaker 3: to tell stories that are filtered through our own unique pob.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, if you got a black mama,
Speaker 2: you black culturally, like you black as hell with a
Speaker 2: black mama. I feel like, you know, this.
Speaker 1: Is a little bit off top. This is a little
Speaker 1: bit off topic, right because we did it.
Speaker 2: We did it.
Speaker 1: We did a few episodes this week, and one of
Speaker 1: them was about like the soft girl era. And I
Speaker 1: posed a question like can only white men offer like
Speaker 1: this soft girl era? So did your mama get a
Speaker 1: soft life or what?
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, this is such a good question. You
Speaker 3: know what's funny is like my mom is actually my
Speaker 3: mom is super traditional. We come from we come from
Speaker 3: a Maryland Maryland PG County, you know, traditional Black Christian family,
Speaker 3: and so my mom is actually quite traditional. She she
Speaker 3: was an actor, and she became a teacher and was
Speaker 3: an educator for many years. But she stayed at home
Speaker 3: while I, you know, while my dad was working and
Speaker 3: while I was at school, and she was a stay
Speaker 3: at home parent. And so I don't know, is that
Speaker 3: the off life? Like I have two kids now, and
Speaker 3: I know what it's like to stay at home with
Speaker 3: your kids for extended periods of time. I don't know
Speaker 3: if being a stay at home parent is the soft life.
Speaker 3: Is not soft life, It's not soft nothing about that.
Speaker 3: But I do have to hand it to Shila, my mom,
Speaker 3: because she she is about that soft life though, Like
Speaker 3: now that I think about it, like she loves taking
Speaker 3: her trips to wine country, She loves her Soafvion blanc
Speaker 3: her Veonier like my mom will she will take a
Speaker 3: weekend trip.
Speaker 2: Honey. Okay, I'm here for it, yes mama, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: all right. So let's be really, have you ever had
Speaker 2: to push back against a producer or a network that
Speaker 2: was trying to water you down or order down your
Speaker 2: voice or your point of view?
Speaker 3: Yes, I definitely have had to push back. Oh gosh,
Speaker 3: there have been so many of these moments. And I'm
Speaker 3: trying to think of a specific story. And while I'm
Speaker 3: thinking of that specific story, I'll just say that those
Speaker 3: are the moments where I've really I feel like I've
Speaker 3: really grown up.
Speaker 2: Is when you.
Speaker 3: Have to you have to state your case as to
Speaker 3: why this is important and why you are the one
Speaker 3: to tell it. You have to find a way to
Speaker 3: defend yourself and like pitch yourself in a way that's
Speaker 3: firm but also professional. And then you got to back
Speaker 3: it up, right, like then you actually gotta you got
Speaker 3: to back it up with the with the final result
Speaker 3: and show that yes, you were the right person to
Speaker 3: tell this story.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I can remember there was there was this really there
Speaker 3: was a scoop that I was really proud of when
Speaker 3: I was a correspondent, had I had found this story
Speaker 3: of this mother and daughter who had been separated on
Speaker 3: their journey to the US. They were coming from South
Speaker 3: America and they had been separated and there were forces
Speaker 3: that were trying to get them back together. And I
Speaker 3: was documenting this process of their reunification and someone male
Speaker 3: correspondent from the network actually had had one of his
Speaker 3: producers call me and ask for the contact to the
Speaker 3: story for the story. He had asked for the mother
Speaker 3: and daughter for their contact information because he wanted to
Speaker 3: take the story from me. And so this isn't one
Speaker 3: of those situations where I had to push back and
Speaker 3: say why I'm the person to tell the story, but
Speaker 3: I had to say no, this is a scoop that
Speaker 3: was hard fought. I went out there and sourced this.
Speaker 3: I went out there and did the interviews. I built
Speaker 3: the trust. This is something that a lot of people
Speaker 3: don't realize, like it takes time to build trust with
Speaker 3: the people that you're interviewing as a journalist. So that
Speaker 3: was one of those moments where I had to stand
Speaker 3: my ground and say no, I've worked really hard for
Speaker 3: this and you're not just gonna come up in here
Speaker 3: and take this out from under my feet. So it
Speaker 3: does get It can get very very competitive, very intense
Speaker 3: when you're working at the national news level.
Speaker 2: Is there something common that someone will just be like, Hey,
Speaker 2: give me all the information for this shit she was
Speaker 2: working on. I'm gonna go ahead and do it. Is
Speaker 2: that common? It can happen.
Speaker 3: It does happen more than you would think because they're
Speaker 3: a highers when you work at a legacy news network,
Speaker 3: and sometimes people think that just because they are working
Speaker 3: on a more prominent or high profile show than you,
Speaker 3: or perhaps they've had more time in the industry, sometimes
Speaker 3: they can just assume that they have the right to
Speaker 3: do that. I have the right to take your hard
Speaker 3: work from you, and that's when we remind them that no,
Speaker 3: you cannot. I found that there are a lot of
Speaker 3: moments like that in my career where it's like just
Speaker 3: being underestimated, you know, and having to Santanto's down and say, no,
Speaker 3: you're not. You can underestimate me if you want, but
Speaker 3: I'm going to prove you wrong.
Speaker 2: Period we talked back, can identify with it completely.
Speaker 3: I was gonna I'm sure you have I want to
Speaker 3: hear well.
Speaker 2: I just think so. When we joined the network, people
Speaker 2: treated us as all right, So we started our show
Speaker 2: on the network, so we didn't like necessarily get it
Speaker 2: out of the mud, you know, Like our first episode
Speaker 2: was on a network, so we were seen as NEPO
Speaker 2: babies because of our relationship to Charlamagne, and so they
Speaker 2: didn't and.
Speaker 1: We embraced that here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because more people have to be in position. Yeah,
Speaker 1: more people need to be in position to put their
Speaker 1: people on right. I would never be jealous of an
Speaker 1: Apple baby. I wish more black people were in position
Speaker 1: to help their community, you know. But we got a
Speaker 1: little pushback from other people on the network, you.
Speaker 2: Know that was like do y'all even deserve to be here?
Speaker 2: Kind of energy? You know, and how did you.
Speaker 3: Respond to it or how did you navigate that?
Speaker 1: We're five years in, so.
Speaker 2: We're five years in no way and just always kind
Speaker 2: always you know, looking at the bright side, you know,
Speaker 2: and be enjoyous about it and just continue to do
Speaker 2: our thing and still supporting those people who didn't even
Speaker 2: think we belonged here. You know, we didn't, weren't negative
Speaker 2: or nasty toward anybody. We just and we're going to
Speaker 2: prove to you that we belong here just like you.
Speaker 2: You know, and I think that's the energy given this
Speaker 2: five years.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, we don't put our eyes us
Speaker 1: on the internet. So that's how we have had to
Speaker 1: get it out the mud because that is the easy route.
Speaker 1: But we are smart and funny black women, so we
Speaker 1: don't have to stoop to those levels. That's yea, it
Speaker 1: was a little bit long, much easier, exactly.
Speaker 3: I feel like we don't get enough credit for keeping
Speaker 3: our clothes on, to be honest with.
Speaker 1: You, Yeah, right, that is, that's a whole it's a
Speaker 1: real skill set, it's true. But what is like, what's
Speaker 1: that first story that made you feel like I'm a
Speaker 1: real fucking journalist?
Speaker 2: All right, but hold on, before you asked that you
Speaker 2: are a real journalist, because how you interviewing us? We
Speaker 2: ain't supposed to be answering no questions for you? Was like,
Speaker 2: how did that happen? Well, tell me how that made you?
Speaker 3: You're talking about me, I'm doing that to you. But
Speaker 3: you know, I'm sorry. I should have I should have
Speaker 3: stayed the conversation that was going to happen, because I
Speaker 3: can't turn it off at this point.
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. No, it's all right, it's fine.
Speaker 1: I prefer conversations. I hate interviews, job interviews, interviews. I
Speaker 1: prefer like conversational episodes anyway where yeahs too. But what
Speaker 1: was that, like, that one story that made you feel like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm a real journalist.
Speaker 3: Mmm, okay, Well, honestly, I think even when I think
Speaker 3: about the very beginnings of my career, I studied broadcast
Speaker 3: journalism at the University of Florida, and this wasn't no
Speaker 3: fancy story or nothing, but I think it really galvanized
Speaker 3: the fact that I wanted to do this as a career.
Speaker 3: I can remember feeling so proud of gathering my first
Speaker 3: radio journalism story. I went out on the streets to
Speaker 3: interview unhouse people about a new ordinance that was going
Speaker 3: to affect them. And again, this is like just like
Speaker 3: a minor story that I did. I was as a
Speaker 3: college student, but I remember feeling that sense of pride
Speaker 3: about it, that sense of pride of being able to
Speaker 3: amplify voices that are unheard, And I was like, oh wow,
Speaker 3: I really this feels like an intersection of a lot
Speaker 3: of things that make me super passionate and just fired up.
Speaker 2: And then I would say.
Speaker 3: A story that really kind of made me feel like,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, I'm like, we're in the big leagues now.
Speaker 3: That was the Mueller Special Council investigation back in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 3: and that was the first time that I really got
Speaker 3: to go, like in Capitol Hill and you know, just
Speaker 3: running through the hallways with my crew was I was
Speaker 3: tracking down Congress people in the hallway doing those you know,
Speaker 3: quick interviews, and I was just like, ooh, I can
Speaker 3: feel the electricity of this, and I can feel the
Speaker 3: power of this. And that was a really special moment
Speaker 3: to just be surrounded by so many sharp peers and
Speaker 3: really the most powerful leaders in our country.
Speaker 2: Now. It le me, actually, this has there ever been
Speaker 2: a time where you feel like I gotta take a
Speaker 2: break like this, ain't it. I'm not feeling it. I
Speaker 2: need a break or I need a pivot because of
Speaker 2: your work.
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, and I did. I did pivot. You know,
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't do full time journalism or correspondent
Speaker 3: work anymore because I kind of got burnt out. I
Speaker 3: started covering hard news in twenty sixteen, although I had
Speaker 3: done a lot of entertainment in Hollywood reporting before that.
Speaker 3: So twenty sixteen, jumping in Trump election and from there.
Speaker 3: I just feel like American politics has become so intense
Speaker 3: and so ratcheted up. And as someone who covered the
Speaker 3: election of Trump, who covered COVID, who covered the social
Speaker 3: and racial unrest of twenty twenty, it's it can be
Speaker 3: a lot, you know. And I've covered shootings, and those
Speaker 3: are really horrible to be interviewing, you know, the families
Speaker 3: of people who were victims of shootings. And so I
Speaker 3: had this moment. It was right after the birth of
Speaker 3: my second child, which was a surprise in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3: I had this moment where I had a choice to make.
Speaker 3: I could go back to work for my maternity leave,
Speaker 3: and my boss had just told me that I was
Speaker 3: going to be on the road for three weeks out
Speaker 3: of the month I had, you know, a six month
Speaker 3: baby at this time. Or I could pivot and I
Speaker 3: could bet on myself and I could take a chance
Speaker 3: and leap and hope that the net would appear. And
Speaker 3: I chose the latter because I knew I was also
Speaker 3: choosing my family too, and the thought of just being
Speaker 3: away from my kids for that long, for that much
Speaker 3: of their tiny little lives, was just too much for
Speaker 3: me to bear. So I chose to pivot into freelance
Speaker 3: reporting and being self employed, and that was I was
Speaker 3: four years ago now, three or four years ago, and
Speaker 3: I don't regret it one bit. I can't tell you
Speaker 3: how liberating it is to be able to set my
Speaker 3: own schedule and choose projects light the bright Side that
Speaker 3: I really feel aligned with values wise and just that
Speaker 3: are bringing more optimism and positivity and joy into the world.
Speaker 3: That is the thing that I was craving whenever I
Speaker 3: was in the trenches as a reporter, was just like,
Speaker 3: can we not just give the people some good news
Speaker 3: every now and then? We've given them a lot of
Speaker 3: bad news? Can we just bring them to joy? So
Speaker 3: that's what I love about what I get to do
Speaker 3: now on the bright Side is like interview experts, celebrities, authors,
Speaker 3: people who can help us learn on our journey of
Speaker 3: becoming who we are, but also laugh too, like y'all
Speaker 3: are smart and funny women like we you know, laughter
Speaker 3: is the real medicine.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 2: What's your favorite episode of the bright Side so far?
Speaker 2: So hard to choose. I'll give you.
Speaker 3: I'll give you like a top three, so Isa Ray
Speaker 3: is probably.
Speaker 2: Very high at the top.
Speaker 1: I checked that one out.
Speaker 2: I love her for all the obvious reasons.
Speaker 3: She's such a pioneer and a trailblazer, and I just
Speaker 3: love I unexpectedly was like super awkward during the interview
Speaker 3: and then just realized that she was the perfect person
Speaker 3: to be awkward with because she's the original awkward black girl,
Speaker 3: and so I just love.
Speaker 2: Her for keeping it real.
Speaker 3: I also loved interviewing Raven Simone. Ravend is kind of
Speaker 3: who I've based my entire personality around as a Disney girl,
Speaker 3: someone who watched Disney Channel growing up. Yes, exactly, So
Speaker 3: I would say those two are some of my favorites.
Speaker 3: And then recently I just interviewed this woman named doctor
Speaker 3: Emily Anhlt, and she wrote a book called Flex Your Feelings,
Speaker 3: and it's all about how to strengthen the traits that
Speaker 3: we already have so that we can better design our
Speaker 3: own life. She talked about self awareness, how that's an
Speaker 3: underrated trait that we all have and we can do
Speaker 3: exercises to build it up. Shelter talked about curiosity playfulness,
Speaker 3: which is a big one. I'm really looking for ways
Speaker 3: to play in my life right now.
Speaker 2: Right Well, do you fly?
Speaker 1: Do you have a kite.
Speaker 2: You know what I don't. Should I get a kite? Yes?
Speaker 1: Costco has these amazing kites. I got four of them
Speaker 1: and they're big too. They have like.
Speaker 2: Seventy six in every episode.
Speaker 1: Like no, I'm staying to tap into that inner child,
Speaker 1: like I don't know, Like if you don't ride bike,
Speaker 1: fly kite, like, those things help you definitely tap in,
Speaker 1: you know. In today innerch out is so I'd be
Speaker 1: so happy flying a kite, okay, and run across this field.
Speaker 1: I know people be looking at my butt run across
Speaker 1: the damn field by my house, But it's fun.
Speaker 3: I love that for you so much. Get a kite
Speaker 3: like it's the new go touch grass kite.
Speaker 1: Probably would love them. The kids probably would love them too,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: Anyway, so we're living like in this world where social
Speaker 1: media a lot of people only get their news and
Speaker 1: I'm fifteen seconds on Instagram. Yeah okay, so like clicks
Speaker 1: versus credibility. Okay, how has it chased for views and
Speaker 1: clicks changed things? How news is being produced now? How
Speaker 1: do you think it's changed?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Well, I honestly think that news institutions need to do
Speaker 3: a better job of meeting audiences where they are absolutely,
Speaker 3: which is on social media, and so I think there's
Speaker 3: still even more room to be done in that department.
Speaker 3: And what I think is going to fill that vacuum
Speaker 3: is individual journalists or individual creators. Now they're pros and
Speaker 3: cons to that, because you know, for all the faults
Speaker 3: and flaws that people rightfully point out with the media,
Speaker 3: the media doesn't always get it right.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 3: The journalists go through training. Not only do they go
Speaker 3: through you know, their schooling where they might get a
Speaker 3: degree in journalism, you also go through ethics training when
Speaker 3: you work at one of the big news networks. And
Speaker 3: this is something that we do, we have to do
Speaker 3: every year. And it's okay, how do we how do
Speaker 3: we know that our story is airtight and we can
Speaker 3: go to air with this, or how do we know
Speaker 3: that this source is reliable? We go through seminars to
Speaker 3: really reinforce that knowledge. What is risky and what kind
Speaker 3: of makes me nervous about individual creators filling the vacuum
Speaker 3: of journalists or trying to replace journalists is I'm not
Speaker 3: sure that individual creators have that same level of training.
Speaker 3: And so I think you can see that with large
Speaker 3: scale current events like a war, let's say, if an
Speaker 3: end if a creator does not report the facts correctly,
Speaker 3: that can further inflame and create more toxicity and and
Speaker 3: perhaps even more danger if they're spreading misinformation, the onus
Speaker 3: is now on the audience to try to decipher, okay,
Speaker 3: what's real what's not, and that can be really tricky.
Speaker 3: Like it's even hard for me. I'm someone who's been
Speaker 3: through hours of training and how to detect truth versus falsehood,
Speaker 3: and it's still it's still tough for me. I think
Speaker 3: there are a few things that you can do, though,
Speaker 3: to try to safeguard I mean a lot. It's it's
Speaker 3: human nature to just read a headline and just want
Speaker 3: to run with it and go tell everyone about it
Speaker 3: or post it. But read the full article, you know,
Speaker 3: do yourself the favor of actually getting the proper context.
Speaker 3: Do a quick fact check. That's pretty easy to do
Speaker 3: through a search engine. There are also media fact check
Speaker 3: websites that you can meet. You think about the fact.
Speaker 1: Check stuff on social media though, like you know how
Speaker 1: they have the fact checkers? Yeah, because what's the truth?
Speaker 1: What is the truth? And how are they determining what's facts?
Speaker 1: Because through COVID, for example, right, a lot of the
Speaker 1: things that were being fact checked, you know, things that
Speaker 1: independent journalists were putting out. You can call them TikTok journalists,
Speaker 1: you know, just regular people who probably were doing like
Speaker 1: super deep dives on like the medical things around vaccinations
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. We're being fact checked, and now
Speaker 1: here we are in twenty twenty five and we find
Speaker 1: a lot of those things were actually true. Right, So
Speaker 1: who's checking the fact checkers?
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is a very good question. This
Speaker 3: is a very good question, and I'm not sure we
Speaker 3: are going to solve this problem today. M I do
Speaker 3: think the more that social media users feel empowered to
Speaker 3: find information for themselves, the more discerning we become as
Speaker 3: social media consumers. I think that's only going to help
Speaker 3: solve this problem. But look, this is going to be
Speaker 3: an ongoing conversation that involves a lot of different parties,
Speaker 3: the social media companies like you mentioned, different media outlets,
Speaker 3: de consumers themselves, and also AI is a huge thing.
Speaker 2: Now. I'm shocked as I'm scrolling on social.
Speaker 3: Media, scare seeing things that are clearly AI, and nobody
Speaker 3: in the comments is picking up on it.
Speaker 2: They're taking it at face value.
Speaker 1: A week. Are you here really with us?
Speaker 2: Right? That's what we're gonna say, Sion with today's date
Speaker 2: on it, just to make sure you're not even AI,
Speaker 2: like do the robot we can know it, don't you know?
Speaker 3: Don't you notice how AI has like weird movements or something,
Speaker 3: or like the hand is always a little bit off.
Speaker 2: It's like this or something. They're getting better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is I just feel like this past week
Speaker 1: they just ramped up a lot of AI ship and
Speaker 1: it's a lot of Uh. It's really weird though, because
Speaker 1: I want to know who's behind these It's a lot
Speaker 1: of black stereotype type AI post I've seen in the
Speaker 1: last week, like super Ratchet, whatever you could think about.
Speaker 1: It's being like, I want to know, is it actually
Speaker 1: a black creator behind this or now do we you
Speaker 1: just have these other people, these others creating a narrative
Speaker 1: about who black people are now via AI And it's scary.
Speaker 3: It is scary. I didn't, I didn't. I don't know
Speaker 3: if I've seen those. I need to see those. That's
Speaker 3: that is really disconcerting.
Speaker 2: Girl is a mess. It is a miss some of
Speaker 2: the stuff that they're creating. Do you feel like AI
Speaker 2: could potentially take journalistic jobs.
Speaker 1: We don't know if the people reporting the news is
Speaker 1: AI and not so at this one, right, we don't know.
Speaker 1: Like that's what last week taught me. If I didn't
Speaker 1: see you in person, I don't know. I haven't seen
Speaker 1: you in person yet. Are we really ever do something?
Speaker 1: If I ever do anything wrong, I'm blaming AI.
Speaker 2: What was not me?
Speaker 3: It was my AI twin. I did not do it.
Speaker 1: It was I promise that movie. Like, that's what's happening
Speaker 1: right now. Y'all haven't watched the movies movie Surrogate.
Speaker 2: No, yes, the world watch that movie two day?
Speaker 1: Watch us today?
Speaker 2: Do y'all watch Black Mirror? Yes?
Speaker 1: Same shit.
Speaker 3: It's weird to see stuff in Black Mirror come to
Speaker 3: life right off screen. It's very alarming, But I think
Speaker 3: it's actually I feel like Black Mirror is actually disclosure
Speaker 3: for what has already been happening. And so we talk
Speaker 3: about art imitating life versus life imitating art, but I
Speaker 3: feel like they are now acting out it's biblical. They're
Speaker 3: acting out scenes from the Bible, right, So we don't
Speaker 3: know if what was created first, you know, Black mirra.
Speaker 3: I feel like a lot of that stuff was already happening,
Speaker 3: and then they just threw it into a movie for disclosure.
Speaker 1: Let you know, like, yeah, we're doing this shit.
Speaker 2: This is the Simpsons. We just need to go back
Speaker 2: and watch all the Simpsons episodes. We're telling us everything
Speaker 2: that's happening. They told us if ninety three day this
Speaker 2: shit was going to happen, you know, so we need
Speaker 2: to watch it.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: I got a question for you, as someone who's covered Hollywood,
Speaker 2: that's one celebrity story that had you screaming like, this
Speaker 2: cannot be real. This cannot be real life. Spilty girl,
Speaker 2: It's spilty. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I can talk about this on
Speaker 3: the show. I'm gonna talk about it anyways. Okay, hold on,
Speaker 3: I have to find this. I have to find this story.
Speaker 2: This is not a.
Speaker 3: Story that I reported, but I came across it when
Speaker 3: I was I guess I was just like on a
Speaker 3: pop culture deep dive one day. So there's this Lee
Speaker 3: Daniels movie called The paper Boy that Nicole Kidman is
Speaker 3: in with Zac Efron. This is so weird. I can't
Speaker 3: believe I'm telling this story. I just thought this was
Speaker 3: really strange when I came across it. So there's a
Speaker 3: Lee Daniel's movie called The Paper Boy and it's was
Speaker 3: zac Efron and Nicole Kidman, and there's a scene where
Speaker 3: zac Efron gets stung by a jellyfish, and you know
Speaker 3: how you're supposed to like pee on someone whenever they
Speaker 3: get stung by a jellyfish and that will make the
Speaker 3: pain go away. So Nicole Kidman actually peed on zac
Speaker 3: Efron for real. He gets no, wait what, No, I
Speaker 3: don't know. I really that's a freaky shit right, look
Speaker 3: it up. It's crazy. I couldn't believe that was You
Speaker 3: know your.
Speaker 1: Voice sounds like Amber Rolls a little bit?
Speaker 2: Did you know that my voice?
Speaker 3: Yes, hold on, let me change it up real quick.
Speaker 3: Let me hold on, let me I'm gonna come up
Speaker 3: in here with a whole different voice.
Speaker 2: Now hold on a minute.
Speaker 1: You don't want to sound like Ambroe. What came out?
Speaker 2: I'm trying to sound like me. This is me. I
Speaker 2: don't know what y'all talking about? Now, STIPs tea. All right.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, what advice would you give
Speaker 2: to a young journalists trying to stay authentic.
Speaker 3: Trying to say authentic that thing that you're afraid of
Speaker 3: that's inside of you, that thing that you're always trying
Speaker 3: to get away from, that thing that you think makes
Speaker 3: you weird. Do it, girl, Just lean into it. Do
Speaker 3: that thing, because that's that's what's gonna set you apart.
Speaker 3: That's your unique superpower. That's that thing, that's that secret sauce.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, I guess, don't try to be
Speaker 1: an authentic I mean, don't try to be authentic. Just
Speaker 1: be authentic, Yes, to stay two to yourself.
Speaker 3: But I think, I mean, I feel like I'm still
Speaker 3: just discovering what it means to be authentic all the time,
Speaker 3: to be honest with you, because you know, this is
Speaker 3: this is actually what we were talking about earlier, like
Speaker 3: code switching, like there is there can be this certain
Speaker 3: expectation or to conform or to play it safe. I
Speaker 3: played it safe a lot. I played it safe a
Speaker 3: lot in my career, and that is the enemy of authenticity.
Speaker 3: And what I've found is amazing about getting older is
Speaker 3: just that need to conform or to fit in or
Speaker 3: to do things the way that they've been done is
Speaker 3: really falling away, and it's revealing my true authentic self
Speaker 3: and it's really freeing.
Speaker 2: Have you ever gotten in trouble are punished for telling
Speaker 2: the truth? I don't think so.
Speaker 3: I've pissed some people off. Now, I've done some stories
Speaker 3: where people are mad at me, but that's honestly in
Speaker 3: the journalism world, like if especially if you've got both
Speaker 3: sides mad at you, you kind of are doing your
Speaker 3: job because you've found some sort of nuance or you've
Speaker 3: been and fair. That's something that I think we're missing
Speaker 3: a lot of today, is just fairness.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Is there a moment that you couldn't put in a
Speaker 2: story that you still think about today, Like, damn, I
Speaker 2: wanted to I wanted to say that, I wanted to
Speaker 2: share that, but I just I couldn't for whatever reason.
Speaker 3: I'm sure there are so many like this. I can't
Speaker 3: think of one specifically, but that is just part of
Speaker 3: the game, and this is this is how it works
Speaker 3: in any creative endeavor. I think like you're always going
Speaker 3: to have people speaking into the final vision, even if
Speaker 3: you're Martin Scorsese. You've got people at the movie studio
Speaker 3: who are going to tell you what can and can't
Speaker 3: go in the final cut. Some directors get final cut,
Speaker 3: but I think just learning how to take feedback and
Speaker 3: learning how to take those notes and realizing that, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be able to get everything in
Speaker 3: that I want to that I want to say, Like,
Speaker 3: learning that that's part of the job is really healthy.
Speaker 1: Do you think you know in the current climbate? Can
Speaker 1: integrity survive in the current media culture?
Speaker 3: I'm tired. That question just made me tired to think
Speaker 3: about because woof integrity?
Speaker 2: Do we know her?
Speaker 1: Is she still around? She's absolutely around. It's a few
Speaker 1: people I subscribe to. I'll give an example. I like
Speaker 1: Candis Owens. You know what I'm saying. I feel like
Speaker 1: she's one of the people who does it right and
Speaker 1: she gives you sources right, So if she says something
Speaker 1: you know, you can go check it out. You know
Speaker 1: a lot of times when I watch her shows is
Speaker 1: more of confirmation for things I have already read. Right,
Speaker 1: But if you are actually just depending on a person
Speaker 1: to give you information, that's probably where you're going wrong
Speaker 1: at right. So I think she's one of the to me,
Speaker 1: one of the journalists that actually gets it right and
Speaker 1: has integrity when reporting on what's happened is not just
Speaker 1: her opinion about things.
Speaker 3: What I've noticed about Candace Owens because I either interviewed
Speaker 3: her or she was tangentially part of a story that
Speaker 3: I did about black Republicans a few years ago. What's
Speaker 3: interesting to me about Candace is that she truly does
Speaker 3: seem to be a free thinker, in that she allows
Speaker 3: herself and gives herself permission to change her beliefs and
Speaker 3: change her ideas, especially you know, as the year's gone on,
Speaker 3: as she would take a certain position on one thing
Speaker 3: and then has had a change of tune, especially you
Speaker 3: know when it comes to the Trump administration, she's been
Speaker 3: more critical lately. Does that make you respect her more
Speaker 3: as a voice? How do you feel about the fact
Speaker 3: that she tends to change her beliefs?
Speaker 1: Well, I think that when you are learning, you will
Speaker 1: always be a hypocrite, right because we talked about this yesterday,
Speaker 1: when you take in new information like what you thought
Speaker 1: yesterday could definitely change today. I do, like I said,
Speaker 1: I watched Kandice Owen, so I see how she has
Speaker 1: pivoted regarding to Trump, and so have I. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because some things he's doing that he
Speaker 1: said he would do, and then this war shit. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not with that, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: I feel like anybody who would have gotten in office,
Speaker 1: we would be in war right now. And I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people who probably voted for him thought
Speaker 1: that we wouldn't be at war right now, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So Canda's owens also thought that they
Speaker 1: wouldn't be at war. So I don't think that she
Speaker 1: pivots in a way to where it's just like dishonest journalism, though,
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like if you can be objective
Speaker 1: and you can say, hey, I got that wrong and
Speaker 1: here's why I am today, I can respect somebody like that.
Speaker 2: Are there any platform people doing it right right now?
Speaker 2: To you? Like, did you subs subscribe to?
Speaker 3: To be honest with you, I don't watch the news
Speaker 3: as much as I did when I was working in
Speaker 3: that space, and I found that taking a break from
Speaker 3: it was so good for my mental health because I
Speaker 3: used to have it on all the time, all the time.
Speaker 3: And I still am a voracious consumer of it. But
Speaker 3: I do I tend to read more, read more articles
Speaker 3: than I do watch or listen because I do feel
Speaker 3: like I'll listen to I'll listen to like New York Times,
Speaker 3: the daily just to get I like how in depth
Speaker 3: their coverage it is. But there's I do find there's
Speaker 3: a lot of sensationalism, a lot of when it comes
Speaker 3: to video or you know, cable news, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of kind of extreme opinions or extreme attitudes, and I'm
Speaker 3: I'm always trying to go for the least I want
Speaker 3: to hear the least extreme opinion. And there's actually a
Speaker 3: tool that I really like is called blind Spot.
Speaker 1: Is that the is that the one where they like
Speaker 1: tell you which news outlets are in the middle, super
Speaker 1: far left or super far right or in the middle.
Speaker 1: So the ones in the middle are usually the ones
Speaker 1: you can trust the most.
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, I don't know if that is not.
Speaker 1: Trust the most, but yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: So it's called ground dot news slash blind Spot, and
Speaker 3: they tell you the news stories that had little to
Speaker 3: no reporting on the left and the news stories that
Speaker 3: had little to no reporting on the right. And it's
Speaker 3: just really interesting to compare and really burst your own
Speaker 3: bubble and you know, get out of your own echo
Speaker 3: echo chamber and see what stories you might have been missing.
Speaker 1: We want to play a couple of games. Can we
Speaker 1: can we hop into that right quick. Okay, let's do
Speaker 1: it news related right, So like a little rapid fire segment.
Speaker 1: So this is like tweet this like so if you.
Speaker 2: Use X at all, I stopped using XY.
Speaker 1: We need too. But it's just sometimes I go in
Speaker 1: there like certain things are going on. But this game
Speaker 1: is like if you see this headline, what would be
Speaker 1: your if you see this tweet? What would your response
Speaker 1: be to it? As a journalist? That's there like an instructions. Okay,
Speaker 1: so here's this tweet. All mainstream media is bought and biased.
Speaker 1: With somebody worre to tweet that, what would your response
Speaker 1: be as a journalist.
Speaker 3: All mainstream media is bought and biased? You know what
Speaker 3: my response would be. My response would be, come along
Speaker 3: with me as I report this story. I would I
Speaker 3: would want to show you the ins and outs of
Speaker 3: what I'm doing. I would take you along for the process.
Speaker 3: And I don't think that's something that the media does enough.
Speaker 2: I agree number two. Number two, Black journalists can't be
Speaker 2: objective when reporting on black issues.
Speaker 3: Object response, that's so rude. I am a professional. Okay. Also, yeah,
Speaker 3: no that's not true. I mean I've definitely done a
Speaker 3: lot of stories that like if you have a if
Speaker 3: you have a one dimensional view of what a black
Speaker 3: person is or how they view the world, that you
Speaker 3: would be surprised by the stories that I told. But
Speaker 3: my I think my goal as a journalist was to always,
Speaker 3: you know, do the unexpected and go to unexpected places, like.
Speaker 2: I go was saying.
Speaker 3: I did a story about black conservatives and Black Republicans
Speaker 3: and where those values come from and how they're evolving,
Speaker 3: and it elicited a really interesting response.
Speaker 2: But get out of here with that. Of course I
Speaker 2: can be objective. Watch me.
Speaker 1: TikTokers are the new investigative journalist. Somebody just tweeted that
Speaker 1: and you saw it on your timeline.
Speaker 3: Girl pleasement. We can investigate. We can investigate black girl
Speaker 3: shower talk. We can investigate the man who's saying you'll.
Speaker 2: Be married you in those uburbs.
Speaker 3: We can investigate that kind of stuff. But see, here's
Speaker 3: the thing here, here's the thing about investigative reporting. Like,
Speaker 3: investigative reporting is so intense. There are so many lawyers involved,
Speaker 3: there are so many producers involved. It has to go
Speaker 3: through so many checks and balances. Trust me, you don't
Speaker 3: want to you don't want to get into that game
Speaker 3: if you ain't ready like to see what's gonna happens.
Speaker 2: I almost to say about that right next one. If
Speaker 2: the story doesn't go viral, it doesn't.
Speaker 3: Matter, absolutely not, absolutely not. If viral is our new
Speaker 3: metric for worthiness, We're We're screwed, We're screwed. There are
Speaker 3: so many important stories that fly under the radar, and honestly,
Speaker 3: I feel like in our hyper connected world, we are
Speaker 3: not meant to necessarily know about all the things that
Speaker 3: are going on and be so wrapped up in everything
Speaker 3: that's going on. I think that's like the price that
Speaker 3: we pay for living in this like hyper connected world.
Speaker 3: But there are lots of stories that aren't the ones
Speaker 3: that get the most attention, that still need attention. So
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say absolutely not. Was it supposed to be
Speaker 3: rapid fire? Was I supposed to say like one or
Speaker 3: two words? Because I'm not good at that.
Speaker 1: No? No, that's good, Okay, it's perfect, all right, So
Speaker 1: this is the next game, So would you report on it?
Speaker 1: Is this game? Right? So you know I'm on it,
Speaker 1: I'll pass or only if it's breaking. Essentially, you don't
Speaker 1: have to use those words. A secret group of moms
Speaker 1: and Beverly Hills is microdosing mushrooms to survive PTA meetings.
Speaker 2: I'm on it.
Speaker 3: I am on it like lickety split. I'll be there
Speaker 3: next time.
Speaker 2: Nixtlan a TikTok trend where gen z ors quit capitalism
Speaker 2: by faking their own deaths and moving to the forest
Speaker 2: to start commutes.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm on it. Catch me on the next plane.
Speaker 3: I'll be on that forest island.
Speaker 1: This is for Hollywood. Leaked group chat reveals elite NYC
Speaker 1: influencer influencers are hiring body doubles to attend events for them.
Speaker 2: Again, I'm on it.
Speaker 3: These are these are all fire, These are all banger
Speaker 3: stories like this is.
Speaker 2: I want to watch these stories.
Speaker 1: You know me too.
Speaker 2: This all sounds good. Okay. A pastor starts say OnlyFans
Speaker 2: to fundraise for his new church and it's working.
Speaker 1: And the deacon slinging d you know what, I'll pass.
Speaker 2: I got time.
Speaker 3: No, I ain't got time for that trifle mess.
Speaker 1: No, hold on, this is this is the one. A
Speaker 1: whistleblow claims AI generated news anchors are being used to
Speaker 1: spread political propaganda in Swing states.
Speaker 3: Oof, definitely on it, Like that needs to be reported.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's sorry happening, black Mirra for sure?
Speaker 1: Are you there?
Speaker 2: Are you? So? My name is Simone.
Speaker 3: It has been a pleasure speaking with you today.
Speaker 2: All right. So we have a segment on our show
Speaker 2: called Dumb Bitch Story and you share a time where
Speaker 2: you got played by the opposite six in life? Anytime
Speaker 2: in life where they they played you.
Speaker 3: Do you have a story a time where somebody played me,
Speaker 3: like when I got cheated on her something? Mm hmmm, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: there was a time. There was a time in college
Speaker 3: I was dating this boy, and yeah, I started to
Speaker 3: have my my doubts and my questions, and so I
Speaker 3: hopped on the I hopped on the old Facebook. I
Speaker 3: did my little slew thing, you know, I did my
Speaker 3: investigative journalism, and come to find out he had a
Speaker 3: whole girlfriend someplace else in a different city. And that
Speaker 3: was that. That was that was Yeah, he had a
Speaker 3: whole life.
Speaker 2: What did you say to him? How'd you end it?
Speaker 2: I think it just.
Speaker 3: I think I called and it gave like a really
Speaker 3: ratchet phone call. Honestly, you know, you know when you
Speaker 3: have to do that sometimes mm hmmm. I actually, now
Speaker 3: that I think about it, My favorite favorite version of
Speaker 3: this actually a better version of this question. Another story
Speaker 3: is coming to mind. My best friend she was dating
Speaker 3: this guy at our school and he had made her
Speaker 3: watch his dog. She was watching his dog for like
Speaker 3: a week and I and then it kept getting extended,
Speaker 3: like the time kept going up and up, and she's
Speaker 3: just watching this dog, and I'm like, girl, what is
Speaker 3: going on? Like why are you just watching his dog?
Speaker 3: Where is he Why isn't he here? Come to find
Speaker 3: out he had a girl in town he was cheating
Speaker 3: on her, and I'm pretty sure he came over to
Speaker 3: their house and I happened to be there, and I
Speaker 3: like popped off on him and was going off about
Speaker 3: the dog, like why you leave this dog at my
Speaker 3: friend's house? Come and get this dog? Blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: So yeah, another another occasion where you just had to
Speaker 3: let him know, you know, like you.
Speaker 2: Just kind was the other girl allergic to the dog?
Speaker 2: Why he got the dog over there or.
Speaker 3: Something like because he got he got multiple dogs to
Speaker 3: a woman, multiple dogs.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: So the first, like the first story you told, like
Speaker 1: that really wasn't a dumbbitch story because if you would
Speaker 1: have stayed right and continued to date this guy after
Speaker 1: you found out that he had another situation going on,
Speaker 1: then you would be a dumb bitch. Okay, okay, see
Speaker 1: how bad bitch you got up out of there.
Speaker 2: Okay I misunderstood. Yeah, so you never stayed after being
Speaker 2: cheated all?
Speaker 3: No, never, what's your sign, Aquarius?
Speaker 1: I thought she was about to say, Virgo. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say that's about right, Virgos. Ain't never got cheated on, Chad.
Speaker 1: They'll warp it some type of way, like to where
Speaker 1: they're always on top.
Speaker 2: They're gonna leave too, though, They're not gonna stick around
Speaker 2: too long, don't you know about that? Really?
Speaker 1: Feel I mean the women. Yeah, my oldest sister isn't Aquarius.
Speaker 1: One of the nicest people on the planet, but when
Speaker 1: it comes to love, not the smartest, Sorry, Linda, I
Speaker 1: love you, not the smartest. But other than that, she's
Speaker 1: very brilliant. Okay, But they can get digitized a little bit.
Speaker 2: Well, tell everybody where they can find you, where they
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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, you can find me on social media at
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Speaker 1: Owing so much for joining us, so much.
Speaker 2: Thank you, ladies.
Speaker 3: Y'all are the best. It's such an honor to be here.
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