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Speaker 1: Welcome to We Talk Back Podcast, the production of iHeartRadio

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Speaker 1: and the Black Effect Network.

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Speaker 2: We're just two unapologetically black women with an opinion to talks.

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Speaker 1: What's up, Y'all's your girl? A j a holiday? What's up?

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Speaker 1: Big Tam bam.

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Speaker 2: Y'all, It's official team man. I love y'all so so

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Speaker 2: very much. I love you agent.

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Speaker 1: Look, I just be smiling where you do your part

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Speaker 1: and I love you bad.

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Speaker 2: How was your weekend?

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Speaker 1: You know how to fuck? My weekend on was okay?

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Speaker 2: With the world don't know.

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Speaker 1: Prepared to record all day. I didn't have a weekend.

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Speaker 1: Actually I really didn't. I'm still exhausted and working through

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Speaker 1: the weekend right now. Okay, So that's where I'm at.

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Speaker 1: I'm half dad, y'all. I'm making it. I'm drinking macha

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Speaker 1: like the soft life bitches do, and it ain't.

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Speaker 2: Working, y'all. We filmed four episodes for y'all over the weekend,

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Speaker 2: so we got some content for y'all, not just audio

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Speaker 2: but visual. So those will be up very soon, so

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Speaker 2: y'all stay tuned for that.

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Speaker 1: And we'll try to be consistent. You know, you might

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Speaker 1: need to ask for a GoFundMe donations right to afford

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Speaker 1: all this shit, but we're working on it. Tell you

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Speaker 1: might have to, you might have to pop some pussy.

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Speaker 1: Who you girl? I don't got no pussy. I didn't

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Speaker 1: bring my pussy. I'll never bring my pussy with me.

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Speaker 1: It's in at my fama house. Saved the deposit box.

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Speaker 1: Let's Steven the six might as well. So what do

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Speaker 1: we have going on this week and in the world

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Speaker 1: aside from being at fucking war right now? David Banner

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Speaker 1: says he refuses to do business with men who cheat. Okay,

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Speaker 1: come on, David Banner. Now, I guess he can never

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Speaker 1: be a man that cheats because he don't seem to

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Speaker 1: be in a fucking relationships right. Where's your wife?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: I love David Banner. I think he's one of the

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Speaker 1: finest black men out here.

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Speaker 2: Okay, he is.

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Speaker 1: Fo So David Banner refuses to do business with men

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Speaker 1: who cheat on their wives based on advice from a mentor, Yes,

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Speaker 1: because if you will cheat in your relationship, you will

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Speaker 1: cheat in business.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Banner believes that trust and integrity are essential in business

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Speaker 1: and personal relationships. Banner expressed his belief that he does

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Speaker 1: not believe in the devil and that individuals need to

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Speaker 1: take responsibility. I'll add accountability, okay, for their actions and

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Speaker 1: fix themselves. His views on personal personal responsibility and self

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Speaker 1: improvement sparked an interesting conversation during an interview with Shannon Sharp.

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Speaker 1: I agree one point two to three million percent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. I love that let's start holding men

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Speaker 2: accountable for cheating, I mean other men, because they'll, like

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Speaker 2: we mentioned, they'll hold each other for accountable for being

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Speaker 2: bad fathers, but they'll let each other cheat. So I

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Speaker 2: think this is good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, because you know you don't have to cheat, right,

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Speaker 1: you could actually be in a relationship with somebody who's

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Speaker 1: okay with you having a variety. That is actually a thing.

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Speaker 1: But men are tricking people into monogamous relationships a lot

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Speaker 1: of times. Not just men like tell me like the ad,

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Speaker 1: not just men man, my dad tell girl. We talked

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Speaker 1: about these niggas, and obviously these niggas know how these

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Speaker 1: niggas are right because David Bannon ain't going forward. So

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Speaker 1: get into business with somebody who knows that you're not

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Speaker 1: good at business. Come over here with that badass business,

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Speaker 1: is what he's saying.

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Speaker 2: Essentially, I'm with that after David Banner, we must just

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Speaker 2: slide in his DMS.

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Speaker 1: And no, I'm already in there. It's just like he

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Speaker 1: both of ours. No, bitch, keep him at my house.

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Speaker 2: Cardi B announced this new album finally to get an

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Speaker 2: album out of Cardi B. So Cardi b sophomore album

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Speaker 2: finally has a release date, with the superstar revealing Monday

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Speaker 2: that I Am the Drama will come out one through

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Speaker 2: Atlantic Records. I can't wait to hear. And we have

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Speaker 2: not had an album from her since twenty eighteen, with

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Speaker 2: her her debut Invasion of Privacy, which went on to

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Speaker 2: win a Grammy for Best Rap Album in twenty nineteen

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Speaker 2: and went four times platinum.

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Speaker 3: That's crazy.

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Speaker 1: She is one of the highest paid rappers right off

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Speaker 1: of one album.

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Speaker 2: Off of one album.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Nicki Minaj, really, don't, you know, there's always

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Speaker 1: the comparison. Nicki Minaj don't have a whole bunch of albums.

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Speaker 1: She probably she probably dragged out that first album for

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Speaker 1: a few years too.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's really dope though, but it's also scary.

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Speaker 2: You know, he had an album since twenty nineteen and

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Speaker 2: it's twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: She can deliver. She's gonna be alright, I love Gardi y'all. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so you know, y'all seen this recently. She had like

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Speaker 1: a what was she at recently? Because Cardi B Is

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Speaker 1: like to me also outside dropped. Yes, she is also

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Speaker 1: her best stressed side.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she putting that shit on that song is like ooh,

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Speaker 2: she really came for all sudden. This song is not

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Speaker 2: nice at all. You know, you gotta really have a

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Speaker 2: real disdain for your baby daddy.

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Speaker 1: That is the word. Yes, that is the word. And

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Speaker 1: she has it and I and I see why, and

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Speaker 1: I think we all have. We all share the same

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Speaker 1: disdain for offset. Right now, somebody commented off the you

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Speaker 1: need to change his name to offset the cheat or

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Speaker 1: some shit like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you still gotta remember, here's the thing that

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Speaker 2: your kids are gonna grow up and hear this song,

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Speaker 2: you know, And that's still you want them to respect

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Speaker 2: their daddy, right despite the relationship that you and him hand.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but even if she doesn't put that song out,

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Speaker 1: the kids will grow up and realize daddy's be on

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Speaker 1: some bullshit sometimes, right, So, but I.

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Speaker 2: Think they still realize for themselves and not hear song.

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Speaker 2: Tell your mama that she raised a bitch ass nigga,

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Speaker 2: like you know something she said like that.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I've set good on my damn nerves. Man,

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Speaker 1: he just got whack. Like who else got whack after

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Speaker 1: the woman left him? Like males like yeah, like they

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Speaker 1: just get whack when that woman takes the energy away,

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Speaker 1: because who are you now? Offset ain't in the group

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Speaker 1: no more. She paid all that money to get you

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Speaker 1: out of your contract with QC. You know what I'm saying, Like,

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Speaker 1: Cardi B did it right. She did it right. She

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Speaker 1: started her family, she wanted her, she fought for her family.

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Speaker 1: She got one baby, daddy three kids. She probably doesn't

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Speaker 1: and now she outside having fun, Okay, outside looking cute,

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Speaker 1: running and playing with a nigga. Right and he about

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Speaker 1: that life all right?

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Speaker 2: So also, a new tour has been announced, the Boy

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Speaker 2: is Mine Tour where Brandy, Monica and the others. Wow, no,

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Speaker 2: I'm going they're gonna be in Chicago. Like I looked

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Speaker 2: at the dates. I'm trying to go to the Chicago show.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if ray J. I wonder if y J

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Speaker 1: had anything to do do with this, because remember he

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Speaker 1: was on Shannon Sharp and he was like, man, I'd

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Speaker 1: be trying to get them together, and man, I've been

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Speaker 1: trying to get them to go on tour da da da.

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Speaker 1: They just won't do it. And now Henry are.

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Speaker 2: Here, we are He manifested that because I would love that.

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Speaker 2: That's one of the best songs of our young adult

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Speaker 2: We wasn't even adult hit or no, we wasn't.

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Speaker 1: We was kidding for sure. They were kids too with

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Speaker 1: teenagers no business singing talking about the boy's mine job, please.

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Speaker 2: The boy at least what the man is mine? Right,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to one of those cities.

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Speaker 1: I watch it on YouTube. I watched it.

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Speaker 2: Into tracking back a little bit. So Offset was on

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Speaker 2: something y'all and he revealed that Sabrina Carpenter as a

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Speaker 2: celebrity curse.

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Speaker 1: Oh as Sabrina Carpenter. I don't know who that is.

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Speaker 2: What Sabrina Carpenter is that big?

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Speaker 1: For real?

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Speaker 2: Who is she? Google her?

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Speaker 1: She's the actress?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, a singer. Offset revealed his celebrity crush to

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Speaker 2: be Sabrina Carpenter during the interview with Internet Magician and

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Speaker 2: the Guzman. Offset express surprise with Sabrina's name was revealed

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Speaker 2: from a crumpled up piece of paper indicating his genuine

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Speaker 2: interest in her.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's.

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Speaker 2: Because I was wondering why I was so magic. Hey,

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Speaker 2: The rapper hinted that potential collaboration with Sabrina as their

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Speaker 2: labor as they are labelmates, suggesting a future look up

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Speaker 2: in the studio despite his previous involvement with Cardi B.

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Speaker 2: Offset did not acknowledge her new album announcement, which is

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Speaker 2: why would he?

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Speaker 1: Because of a.

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Speaker 3: Hat.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna send you some of her ship because she dope.

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Speaker 2: She's so cute.

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Speaker 1: Does she just have a baby and she has hispanic.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I can't tell. She could be white

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Speaker 2: or anyway.

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Speaker 1: Y'all, y'all know I ain't really hip. We got it,

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Speaker 1: We got a You would know her if you saw

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Speaker 1: her though. She's very okay, I see her. She had

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Speaker 1: an album that just came out. I'm not gonna tell

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Speaker 1: But she has an album that just came out, right,

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Speaker 1: and she like getting dog walk on on the cover

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Speaker 1: of the album. Let me sing if it's the same person.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, she's white.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she got a new album that just that's dropping in.

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Speaker 1: She got an album dropping in August called Man's best

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Speaker 1: Friend and on the album cover like she's on her

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Speaker 1: knees touching a man's leg and he has everybody here.

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Speaker 1: So I guess she's saying she a bitch. Wasn't she

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Speaker 1: on Nickelodeon?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I don't know her history, but she had this

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Speaker 2: song Espresso that was her hit that sit here in

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Speaker 2: the start on Interesting.

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Speaker 1: Well whatever, we'll see how that goes. Yeah, she was

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Speaker 1: on Disney and Nickelodeon. Bitch. I know I ain't tripping,

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Speaker 1: so yeah, I know once I saw the face. Yes, interesting. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Y'all. We have a guest on the show today. We're

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Speaker 2: talking journalism, AI, what the future holds for media and

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Speaker 2: all things Simone Boyce, you guys, so stay tuned, will

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Speaker 2: be right back.

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Speaker 1: All right, y'all. So we are back and today we're

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Speaker 1: talking truth, tea and takedowns or maybe not. Okay, we're

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Speaker 1: living in the era of clickbait, clickbait culture, so journalistic

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Speaker 1: integrity is super important, but facts don't always go viral

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Speaker 1: a right, So today's guest is an Emmy nominated journalist

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Speaker 1: and producer. She's a fellow podcaster co host of The

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Speaker 1: Bright side and an on camera host who's covered everything

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Speaker 1: from Capitol Hill to Hollywood red carpets, Simone Boys, welcome

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Speaker 1: to We Talked Bay.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: I'm so happy to be here, y'all. She a Battie too,

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Speaker 2: and you're here, Yes, she's also at Batti. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Just threw together this whole seven minute beat before I

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Speaker 3: hopped on here, so period.

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Speaker 2: Say, listen, I was trying to put on our ab.

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Speaker 2: I'm just not good at it. Okay, let me.

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Speaker 3: I might be able to help because I have spent

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Speaker 3: decades putting on fake eyelashes in the back of a

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Speaker 3: Yes, I definitely have had to push back. Oh gosh,

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00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 3: there have been so many of these moments. And I'm

438
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 3: trying to think of a specific story. And while I'm

439
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 3: thinking of that specific story, I'll just say that those

440
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,640
Speaker 3: are the moments where I've really I feel like I've

441
00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 3: really grown up.

442
00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 2: Is when you.

443
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Speaker 3: Have to you have to state your case as to

444
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,400
Speaker 3: why this is important and why you are the one

445
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 3: to tell it. You have to find a way to

446
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 3: defend yourself and like pitch yourself in a way that's

447
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 3: firm but also professional. And then you got to back

448
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 3: it up, right, like then you actually gotta you got

449
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 3: to back it up with the with the final result

450
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 3: and show that yes, you were the right person to

451
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Speaker 3: tell this story.

452
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Speaker 1: You know.

453
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Speaker 3: I can remember there was there was this really there

454
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Speaker 3: was a scoop that I was really proud of when

455
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 3: I was a correspondent, had I had found this story

456
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 3: of this mother and daughter who had been separated on

457
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Speaker 3: their journey to the US. They were coming from South

458
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 3: America and they had been separated and there were forces

459
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Speaker 3: that were trying to get them back together. And I

460
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:54,399
Speaker 3: was documenting this process of their reunification and someone male

461
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 3: correspondent from the network actually had had one of his

462
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Speaker 3: producers call me and ask for the contact to the

463
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 3: story for the story. He had asked for the mother

464
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 3: and daughter for their contact information because he wanted to

465
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,479
Speaker 3: take the story from me. And so this isn't one

466
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 3: of those situations where I had to push back and

467
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 3: say why I'm the person to tell the story, but

468
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 3: I had to say no, this is a scoop that

469
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 3: was hard fought. I went out there and sourced this.

470
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 3: I went out there and did the interviews. I built

471
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Speaker 3: the trust. This is something that a lot of people

472
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 3: don't realize, like it takes time to build trust with

473
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 3: the people that you're interviewing as a journalist. So that

474
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 3: was one of those moments where I had to stand

475
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,679
Speaker 3: my ground and say no, I've worked really hard for

476
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 3: this and you're not just gonna come up in here

477
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 3: and take this out from under my feet. So it

478
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 3: does get It can get very very competitive, very intense

479
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 3: when you're working at the national news level.

480
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Speaker 2: Is there something common that someone will just be like, Hey,

481
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Speaker 2: give me all the information for this shit she was

482
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 2: working on. I'm gonna go ahead and do it. Is

483
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Speaker 2: that common? It can happen.

484
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Speaker 3: It does happen more than you would think because they're

485
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 3: a highers when you work at a legacy news network,

486
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 3: and sometimes people think that just because they are working

487
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 3: on a more prominent or high profile show than you,

488
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 3: or perhaps they've had more time in the industry, sometimes

489
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 3: they can just assume that they have the right to

490
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 3: do that. I have the right to take your hard

491
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 3: work from you, and that's when we remind them that no,

492
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 3: you cannot. I found that there are a lot of

493
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,199
Speaker 3: moments like that in my career where it's like just

494
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:31,160
Speaker 3: being underestimated, you know, and having to Santanto's down and say, no,

495
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 3: you're not. You can underestimate me if you want, but

496
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 3: I'm going to prove you wrong.

497
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Speaker 2: Period we talked back, can identify with it completely.

498
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Speaker 3: I was gonna I'm sure you have I want to

499
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Speaker 3: hear well.

500
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Speaker 2: I just think so. When we joined the network, people

501
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 2: treated us as all right, So we started our show

502
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 2: on the network, so we didn't like necessarily get it

503
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 2: out of the mud, you know, Like our first episode

504
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 2: was on a network, so we were seen as NEPO

505
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 2: babies because of our relationship to Charlamagne, and so they

506
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Speaker 2: didn't and.

507
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Speaker 1: We embraced that here.

508
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:02,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

509
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, because more people have to be in position. Yeah,

510
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: more people need to be in position to put their

511
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 1: people on right. I would never be jealous of an

512
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: Apple baby. I wish more black people were in position

513
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: to help their community, you know. But we got a

514
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: little pushback from other people on the network, you.

515
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 2: Know that was like do y'all even deserve to be here?

516
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 2: Kind of energy? You know, and how did you.

517
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 3: Respond to it or how did you navigate that?

518
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 1: We're five years in, so.

519
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 2: We're five years in no way and just always kind

520
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 2: always you know, looking at the bright side, you know,

521
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 2: and be enjoyous about it and just continue to do

522
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 2: our thing and still supporting those people who didn't even

523
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,679
Speaker 2: think we belonged here. You know, we didn't, weren't negative

524
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 2: or nasty toward anybody. We just and we're going to

525
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 2: prove to you that we belong here just like you.

526
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 2: You know, and I think that's the energy given this

527
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Speaker 2: five years.

528
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Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, we don't put our eyes us

529
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: on the internet. So that's how we have had to

530
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 1: get it out the mud because that is the easy route.

531
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: But we are smart and funny black women, so we

532
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: don't have to stoop to those levels. That's yea, it

533
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: was a little bit long, much easier, exactly.

534
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 3: I feel like we don't get enough credit for keeping

535
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 3: our clothes on, to be honest with.

536
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Speaker 1: You, Yeah, right, that is, that's a whole it's a

537
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: real skill set, it's true. But what is like, what's

538
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: that first story that made you feel like I'm a

539
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 1: real fucking journalist?

540
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Speaker 2: All right, but hold on, before you asked that you

541
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 2: are a real journalist, because how you interviewing us? We

542
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 2: ain't supposed to be answering no questions for you? Was like,

543
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 2: how did that happen? Well, tell me how that made you?

544
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Speaker 3: You're talking about me, I'm doing that to you. But

545
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,199
Speaker 3: you know, I'm sorry. I should have I should have

546
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 3: stayed the conversation that was going to happen, because I

547
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 3: can't turn it off at this point.

548
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. No, it's all right, it's fine.

549
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: I prefer conversations. I hate interviews, job interviews, interviews. I

550
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: prefer like conversational episodes anyway where yeahs too. But what

551
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: was that, like, that one story that made you feel like, man,

552
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: I'm a real journalist.

553
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 3: Mmm, okay, Well, honestly, I think even when I think

554
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 3: about the very beginnings of my career, I studied broadcast

555
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 3: journalism at the University of Florida, and this wasn't no

556
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 3: fancy story or nothing, but I think it really galvanized

557
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 3: the fact that I wanted to do this as a career.

558
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 3: I can remember feeling so proud of gathering my first

559
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 3: radio journalism story. I went out on the streets to

560
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 3: interview unhouse people about a new ordinance that was going

561
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 3: to affect them. And again, this is like just like

562
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 3: a minor story that I did. I was as a

563
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 3: college student, but I remember feeling that sense of pride

564
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 3: about it, that sense of pride of being able to

565
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 3: amplify voices that are unheard, And I was like, oh wow,

566
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 3: I really this feels like an intersection of a lot

567
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 3: of things that make me super passionate and just fired up.

568
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 2: And then I would say.

569
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Speaker 3: A story that really kind of made me feel like,

570
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 3: oh yeah, I'm like, we're in the big leagues now.

571
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 3: That was the Mueller Special Council investigation back in twenty nineteen,

572
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 3: and that was the first time that I really got

573
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 3: to go, like in Capitol Hill and you know, just

574
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 3: running through the hallways with my crew was I was

575
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 3: tracking down Congress people in the hallway doing those you know,

576
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 3: quick interviews, and I was just like, ooh, I can

577
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 3: feel the electricity of this, and I can feel the

578
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 3: power of this. And that was a really special moment

579
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 3: to just be surrounded by so many sharp peers and

580
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 3: really the most powerful leaders in our country.

581
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Speaker 2: Now. It le me, actually, this has there ever been

582
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 2: a time where you feel like I gotta take a

583
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 2: break like this, ain't it. I'm not feeling it. I

584
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 2: need a break or I need a pivot because of

585
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 2: your work.

586
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, and I did. I did pivot. You know,

587
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't do full time journalism or correspondent

588
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 3: work anymore because I kind of got burnt out. I

589
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 3: started covering hard news in twenty sixteen, although I had

590
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 3: done a lot of entertainment in Hollywood reporting before that.

591
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 3: So twenty sixteen, jumping in Trump election and from there.

592
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 3: I just feel like American politics has become so intense

593
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 3: and so ratcheted up. And as someone who covered the

594
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 3: election of Trump, who covered COVID, who covered the social

595
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 3: and racial unrest of twenty twenty, it's it can be

596
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 3: a lot, you know. And I've covered shootings, and those

597
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 3: are really horrible to be interviewing, you know, the families

598
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 3: of people who were victims of shootings. And so I

599
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 3: had this moment. It was right after the birth of

600
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 3: my second child, which was a surprise in twenty twenty one.

601
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 3: I had this moment where I had a choice to make.

602
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 3: I could go back to work for my maternity leave,

603
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 3: and my boss had just told me that I was

604
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Speaker 3: going to be on the road for three weeks out

605
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Speaker 3: of the month I had, you know, a six month

606
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 3: baby at this time. Or I could pivot and I

607
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 3: could bet on myself and I could take a chance

608
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 3: and leap and hope that the net would appear. And

609
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 3: I chose the latter because I knew I was also

610
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 3: choosing my family too, and the thought of just being

611
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 3: away from my kids for that long, for that much

612
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 3: of their tiny little lives, was just too much for

613
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 3: me to bear. So I chose to pivot into freelance

614
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 3: reporting and being self employed, and that was I was

615
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 3: four years ago now, three or four years ago, and

616
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 3: I don't regret it one bit. I can't tell you

617
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 3: how liberating it is to be able to set my

618
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 3: own schedule and choose projects light the bright Side that

619
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 3: I really feel aligned with values wise and just that

620
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 3: are bringing more optimism and positivity and joy into the world.

621
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Speaker 3: That is the thing that I was craving whenever I

622
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 3: was in the trenches as a reporter, was just like,

623
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 3: can we not just give the people some good news

624
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 3: every now and then? We've given them a lot of

625
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 3: bad news? Can we just bring them to joy? So

626
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 3: that's what I love about what I get to do

627
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 3: now on the bright Side is like interview experts, celebrities, authors,

628
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 3: people who can help us learn on our journey of

629
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 3: becoming who we are, but also laugh too, like y'all

630
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 3: are smart and funny women like we you know, laughter

631
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 3: is the real medicine.

632
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: Exactly.

633
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 2: What's your favorite episode of the bright Side so far?

634
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 2: So hard to choose. I'll give you.

635
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 3: I'll give you like a top three, so Isa Ray

636
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 3: is probably.

637
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 2: Very high at the top.

638
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: I checked that one out.

639
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: I love her for all the obvious reasons.

640
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 3: She's such a pioneer and a trailblazer, and I just

641
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 3: love I unexpectedly was like super awkward during the interview

642
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 3: and then just realized that she was the perfect person

643
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 3: to be awkward with because she's the original awkward black girl,

644
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 3: and so I just love.

645
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: Her for keeping it real.

646
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 3: I also loved interviewing Raven Simone. Ravend is kind of

647
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 3: who I've based my entire personality around as a Disney girl,

648
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 3: someone who watched Disney Channel growing up. Yes, exactly, So

649
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 3: I would say those two are some of my favorites.

650
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 3: And then recently I just interviewed this woman named doctor

651
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 3: Emily Anhlt, and she wrote a book called Flex Your Feelings,

652
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 3: and it's all about how to strengthen the traits that

653
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 3: we already have so that we can better design our

654
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 3: own life. She talked about self awareness, how that's an

655
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 3: underrated trait that we all have and we can do

656
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 3: exercises to build it up. Shelter talked about curiosity playfulness,

657
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Speaker 3: which is a big one. I'm really looking for ways

658
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 3: to play in my life right now.

659
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: Right Well, do you fly?

660
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: Do you have a kite.

661
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 2: You know what I don't. Should I get a kite? Yes?

662
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: Costco has these amazing kites. I got four of them

663
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: and they're big too. They have like.

664
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Speaker 2: Seventy six in every episode.

665
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: Like no, I'm staying to tap into that inner child,

666
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: like I don't know, Like if you don't ride bike,

667
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: fly kite, like, those things help you definitely tap in,

668
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: you know. In today innerch out is so I'd be

669
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: so happy flying a kite, okay, and run across this field.

670
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: I know people be looking at my butt run across

671
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: the damn field by my house, But it's fun.

672
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 3: I love that for you so much. Get a kite

673
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 3: like it's the new go touch grass kite.

674
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: Probably would love them. The kids probably would love them too,

675
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: you know.

676
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 2: So.

677
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: Anyway, so we're living like in this world where social

678
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: media a lot of people only get their news and

679
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: I'm fifteen seconds on Instagram. Yeah okay, so like clicks

680
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: versus credibility. Okay, how has it chased for views and

681
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,239
Speaker 1: clicks changed things? How news is being produced now? How

682
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: do you think it's changed?

683
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

684
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 3: Well, I honestly think that news institutions need to do

685
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 3: a better job of meeting audiences where they are absolutely,

686
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 3: which is on social media, and so I think there's

687
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 3: still even more room to be done in that department.

688
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 3: And what I think is going to fill that vacuum

689
00:33:55,560 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 3: is individual journalists or individual creators. Now they're pros and

690
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 3: cons to that, because you know, for all the faults

691
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 3: and flaws that people rightfully point out with the media,

692
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 3: the media doesn't always get it right.

693
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 2: For sure.

694
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 3: The journalists go through training. Not only do they go

695
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 3: through you know, their schooling where they might get a

696
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 3: degree in journalism, you also go through ethics training when

697
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 3: you work at one of the big news networks. And

698
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 3: this is something that we do, we have to do

699
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 3: every year. And it's okay, how do we how do

700
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 3: we know that our story is airtight and we can

701
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 3: go to air with this, or how do we know

702
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 3: that this source is reliable? We go through seminars to

703
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 3: really reinforce that knowledge. What is risky and what kind

704
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 3: of makes me nervous about individual creators filling the vacuum

705
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 3: of journalists or trying to replace journalists is I'm not

706
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 3: sure that individual creators have that same level of training.

707
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 3: And so I think you can see that with large

708
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 3: scale current events like a war, let's say, if an

709
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 3: end if a creator does not report the facts correctly,

710
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 3: that can further inflame and create more toxicity and and

711
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 3: perhaps even more danger if they're spreading misinformation, the onus

712
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 3: is now on the audience to try to decipher, okay,

713
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 3: what's real what's not, and that can be really tricky.

714
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 3: Like it's even hard for me. I'm someone who's been

715
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 3: through hours of training and how to detect truth versus falsehood,

716
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 3: and it's still it's still tough for me. I think

717
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 3: there are a few things that you can do, though,

718
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 3: to try to safeguard I mean a lot. It's it's

719
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 3: human nature to just read a headline and just want

720
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 3: to run with it and go tell everyone about it

721
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 3: or post it. But read the full article, you know,

722
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 3: do yourself the favor of actually getting the proper context.

723
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 3: Do a quick fact check. That's pretty easy to do

724
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 3: through a search engine. There are also media fact check

725
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 3: websites that you can meet. You think about the fact.

726
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: Check stuff on social media though, like you know how

727
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: they have the fact checkers? Yeah, because what's the truth?

728
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 1: What is the truth? And how are they determining what's facts?

729
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: Because through COVID, for example, right, a lot of the

730
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: things that were being fact checked, you know, things that

731
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: independent journalists were putting out. You can call them TikTok journalists,

732
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: you know, just regular people who probably were doing like

733
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: super deep dives on like the medical things around vaccinations

734
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. We're being fact checked, and now

735
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: here we are in twenty twenty five and we find

736
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: a lot of those things were actually true. Right, So

737
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 1: who's checking the fact checkers?

738
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is a very good question. This

739
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 3: is a very good question, and I'm not sure we

740
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 3: are going to solve this problem today. M I do

741
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 3: think the more that social media users feel empowered to

742
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 3: find information for themselves, the more discerning we become as

743
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,919
Speaker 3: social media consumers. I think that's only going to help

744
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 3: solve this problem. But look, this is going to be

745
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 3: an ongoing conversation that involves a lot of different parties,

746
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 3: the social media companies like you mentioned, different media outlets,

747
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 3: de consumers themselves, and also AI is a huge thing.

748
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 2: Now. I'm shocked as I'm scrolling on social.

749
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 3: Media, scare seeing things that are clearly AI, and nobody

750
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 3: in the comments is picking up on it.

751
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 2: They're taking it at face value.

752
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: A week. Are you here really with us?

753
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 2: Right? That's what we're gonna say, Sion with today's date

754
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 2: on it, just to make sure you're not even AI,

755
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 2: like do the robot we can know it, don't you know?

756
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 3: Don't you notice how AI has like weird movements or something,

757
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 3: or like the hand is always a little bit off.

758
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: It's like this or something. They're getting better.

759
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is I just feel like this past week

760
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: they just ramped up a lot of AI ship and

761
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: it's a lot of Uh. It's really weird though, because

762
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: I want to know who's behind these It's a lot

763
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: of black stereotype type AI post I've seen in the

764
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: last week, like super Ratchet, whatever you could think about.

765
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: It's being like, I want to know, is it actually

766
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: a black creator behind this or now do we you

767
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: just have these other people, these others creating a narrative

768
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: about who black people are now via AI And it's scary.

769
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 3: It is scary. I didn't, I didn't. I don't know

770
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 3: if I've seen those. I need to see those. That's

771
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 3: that is really disconcerting.

772
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 2: Girl is a mess. It is a miss some of

773
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 2: the stuff that they're creating. Do you feel like AI

774
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: could potentially take journalistic jobs.

775
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: We don't know if the people reporting the news is

776
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: AI and not so at this one, right, we don't know.

777
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: Like that's what last week taught me. If I didn't

778
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: see you in person, I don't know. I haven't seen

779
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: you in person yet. Are we really ever do something?

780
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: If I ever do anything wrong, I'm blaming AI.

781
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: What was not me?

782
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 3: It was my AI twin. I did not do it.

783
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: It was I promise that movie. Like, that's what's happening

784
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: right now. Y'all haven't watched the movies movie Surrogate.

785
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 2: No, yes, the world watch that movie two day?

786
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: Watch us today?

787
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 2: Do y'all watch Black Mirror? Yes?

788
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: Same shit.

789
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 3: It's weird to see stuff in Black Mirror come to

790
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 3: life right off screen. It's very alarming, But I think

791
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 3: it's actually I feel like Black Mirror is actually disclosure

792
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 3: for what has already been happening. And so we talk

793
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 3: about art imitating life versus life imitating art, but I

794
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 3: feel like they are now acting out it's biblical. They're

795
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 3: acting out scenes from the Bible, right, So we don't

796
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 3: know if what was created first, you know, Black mirra.

797
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 3: I feel like a lot of that stuff was already happening,

798
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 3: and then they just threw it into a movie for disclosure.

799
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:33,919
Speaker 1: Let you know, like, yeah, we're doing this shit.

800
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 2: This is the Simpsons. We just need to go back

801
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 2: and watch all the Simpsons episodes. We're telling us everything

802
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: that's happening. They told us if ninety three day this

803
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 2: shit was going to happen, you know, so we need

804
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 2: to watch it.

805
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 1: All right.

806
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 2: I got a question for you, as someone who's covered Hollywood,

807
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 2: that's one celebrity story that had you screaming like, this

808
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 2: cannot be real. This cannot be real life. Spilty girl,

809
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 2: It's spilty. Oh my gosh.

810
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 3: I don't know if I can talk about this on

811
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 3: the show. I'm gonna talk about it anyways. Okay, hold on,

812
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 3: I have to find this. I have to find this story.

813
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 2: This is not a.

814
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 3: Story that I reported, but I came across it when

815
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 3: I was I guess I was just like on a

816
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 3: pop culture deep dive one day. So there's this Lee

817
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 3: Daniels movie called The paper Boy that Nicole Kidman is

818
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 3: in with Zac Efron. This is so weird. I can't

819
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 3: believe I'm telling this story. I just thought this was

820
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 3: really strange when I came across it. So there's a

821
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 3: Lee Daniel's movie called The Paper Boy and it's was

822
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 3: zac Efron and Nicole Kidman, and there's a scene where

823
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 3: zac Efron gets stung by a jellyfish, and you know

824
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 3: how you're supposed to like pee on someone whenever they

825
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 3: get stung by a jellyfish and that will make the

826
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 3: pain go away. So Nicole Kidman actually peed on zac

827
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 3: Efron for real. He gets no, wait what, No, I

828
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 3: don't know. I really that's a freaky shit right, look

829
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 3: it up. It's crazy. I couldn't believe that was You

830
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 3: know your.

831
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: Voice sounds like Amber Rolls a little bit?

832
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 2: Did you know that my voice?

833
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 3: Yes, hold on, let me change it up real quick.

834
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 3: Let me hold on, let me I'm gonna come up

835
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 3: in here with a whole different voice.

836
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 2: Now hold on a minute.

837
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: You don't want to sound like Ambroe. What came out?

838
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 2: I'm trying to sound like me. This is me. I

839
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: don't know what y'all talking about? Now, STIPs tea. All right.

840
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, what advice would you give

841
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 2: to a young journalists trying to stay authentic.

842
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 3: Trying to say authentic that thing that you're afraid of

843
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 3: that's inside of you, that thing that you're always trying

844
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 3: to get away from, that thing that you think makes

845
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 3: you weird. Do it, girl, Just lean into it. Do

846
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,720
Speaker 3: that thing, because that's that's what's gonna set you apart.

847
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 3: That's your unique superpower. That's that thing, that's that secret sauce.

848
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, I guess, don't try to be

849
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: an authentic I mean, don't try to be authentic. Just

850
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: be authentic, Yes, to stay two to yourself.

851
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 3: But I think, I mean, I feel like I'm still

852
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 3: just discovering what it means to be authentic all the time,

853
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 3: to be honest with you, because you know, this is

854
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 3: this is actually what we were talking about earlier, like

855
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 3: code switching, like there is there can be this certain

856
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 3: expectation or to conform or to play it safe. I

857
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 3: played it safe a lot. I played it safe a

858
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 3: lot in my career, and that is the enemy of authenticity.

859
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 3: And what I've found is amazing about getting older is

860
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 3: just that need to conform or to fit in or

861
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 3: to do things the way that they've been done is

862
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 3: really falling away, and it's revealing my true authentic self

863
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:40,919
Speaker 3: and it's really freeing.

864
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: Have you ever gotten in trouble are punished for telling

865
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 2: the truth? I don't think so.

866
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 3: I've pissed some people off. Now, I've done some stories

867
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 3: where people are mad at me, but that's honestly in

868
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 3: the journalism world, like if especially if you've got both

869
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 3: sides mad at you, you kind of are doing your

870
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 3: job because you've found some sort of nuance or you've

871
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 3: been and fair. That's something that I think we're missing

872
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 3: a lot of today, is just fairness.

873
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 2: Yeah.

874
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

875
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 2: Is there a moment that you couldn't put in a

876
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 2: story that you still think about today, Like, damn, I

877
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 2: wanted to I wanted to say that, I wanted to

878
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 2: share that, but I just I couldn't for whatever reason.

879
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 3: I'm sure there are so many like this. I can't

880
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 3: think of one specifically, but that is just part of

881
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 3: the game, and this is this is how it works

882
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 3: in any creative endeavor. I think like you're always going

883
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 3: to have people speaking into the final vision, even if

884
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 3: you're Martin Scorsese. You've got people at the movie studio

885
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 3: who are going to tell you what can and can't

886
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 3: go in the final cut. Some directors get final cut,

887
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 3: but I think just learning how to take feedback and

888
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 3: learning how to take those notes and realizing that, oh, yeah,

889
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be able to get everything in

890
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 3: that I want to that I want to say, Like,

891
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 3: learning that that's part of the job is really healthy.

892
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: Do you think you know in the current climbate? Can

893
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: integrity survive in the current media culture?

894
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 3: I'm tired. That question just made me tired to think

895
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 3: about because woof integrity?

896
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 2: Do we know her?

897
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: Is she still around? She's absolutely around. It's a few

898
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: people I subscribe to. I'll give an example. I like

899
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: Candis Owens. You know what I'm saying. I feel like

900
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: she's one of the people who does it right and

901
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: she gives you sources right, So if she says something

902
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: you know, you can go check it out. You know

903
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: a lot of times when I watch her shows is

904
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: more of confirmation for things I have already read. Right,

905
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: But if you are actually just depending on a person

906
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: to give you information, that's probably where you're going wrong

907
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: at right. So I think she's one of the to me,

908
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: one of the journalists that actually gets it right and

909
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: has integrity when reporting on what's happened is not just

910
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 1: her opinion about things.

911
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 3: What I've noticed about Candace Owens because I either interviewed

912
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 3: her or she was tangentially part of a story that

913
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 3: I did about black Republicans a few years ago. What's

914
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 3: interesting to me about Candace is that she truly does

915
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 3: seem to be a free thinker, in that she allows

916
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 3: herself and gives herself permission to change her beliefs and

917
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 3: change her ideas, especially you know, as the year's gone on,

918
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 3: as she would take a certain position on one thing

919
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 3: and then has had a change of tune, especially you

920
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 3: know when it comes to the Trump administration, she's been

921
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 3: more critical lately. Does that make you respect her more

922
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 3: as a voice? How do you feel about the fact

923
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 3: that she tends to change her beliefs?

924
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: Well, I think that when you are learning, you will

925
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,760
Speaker 1: always be a hypocrite, right because we talked about this yesterday,

926
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: when you take in new information like what you thought

927
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: yesterday could definitely change today. I do, like I said,

928
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: I watched Kandice Owen, so I see how she has

929
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: pivoted regarding to Trump, and so have I. You know

930
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because some things he's doing that he

931
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: said he would do, and then this war shit. No,

932
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: I'm not with that, you know what I'm saying, Like,

933
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: I feel like anybody who would have gotten in office,

934
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Speaker 1: we would be in war right now. And I think

935
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: a lot of people who probably voted for him thought

936
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Speaker 1: that we wouldn't be at war right now, you know

937
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So Canda's owens also thought that they

938
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Speaker 1: wouldn't be at war. So I don't think that she

939
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: pivots in a way to where it's just like dishonest journalism, though,

940
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like if you can be objective

941
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: and you can say, hey, I got that wrong and

942
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: here's why I am today, I can respect somebody like that.

943
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,479
Speaker 2: Are there any platform people doing it right right now?

944
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 2: To you? Like, did you subs subscribe to?

945
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 3: To be honest with you, I don't watch the news

946
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 3: as much as I did when I was working in

947
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 3: that space, and I found that taking a break from

948
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 3: it was so good for my mental health because I

949
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 3: used to have it on all the time, all the time.

950
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 3: And I still am a voracious consumer of it. But

951
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 3: I do I tend to read more, read more articles

952
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 3: than I do watch or listen because I do feel

953
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 3: like I'll listen to I'll listen to like New York Times,

954
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 3: the daily just to get I like how in depth

955
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 3: their coverage it is. But there's I do find there's

956
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 3: a lot of sensationalism, a lot of when it comes

957
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 3: to video or you know, cable news, there's a lot

958
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 3: of kind of extreme opinions or extreme attitudes, and I'm

959
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 3: I'm always trying to go for the least I want

960
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 3: to hear the least extreme opinion. And there's actually a

961
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 3: tool that I really like is called blind Spot.

962
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: Is that the is that the one where they like

963
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: tell you which news outlets are in the middle, super

964
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: far left or super far right or in the middle.

965
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: So the ones in the middle are usually the ones

966
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 1: you can trust the most.

967
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, I don't know if that is not.

968
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: Trust the most, but yeah, yeah yeah.

969
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 3: So it's called ground dot news slash blind Spot, and

970
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 3: they tell you the news stories that had little to

971
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 3: no reporting on the left and the news stories that

972
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 3: had little to no reporting on the right. And it's

973
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 3: just really interesting to compare and really burst your own

974
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 3: bubble and you know, get out of your own echo

975
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 3: echo chamber and see what stories you might have been missing.

976
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: We want to play a couple of games. Can we

977
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: can we hop into that right quick. Okay, let's do

978
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: it news related right, So like a little rapid fire segment.

979
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: So this is like tweet this like so if you.

980
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 2: Use X at all, I stopped using XY.

981
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: We need too. But it's just sometimes I go in

982
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: there like certain things are going on. But this game

983
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: is like if you see this headline, what would be

984
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: your if you see this tweet? What would your response

985
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: be to it? As a journalist? That's there like an instructions. Okay,

986
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: so here's this tweet. All mainstream media is bought and biased.

987
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: With somebody worre to tweet that, what would your response

988
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: be as a journalist.

989
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 3: All mainstream media is bought and biased? You know what

990
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 3: my response would be. My response would be, come along

991
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 3: with me as I report this story. I would I

992
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 3: would want to show you the ins and outs of

993
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 3: what I'm doing. I would take you along for the process.

994
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 3: And I don't think that's something that the media does enough.

995
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 2: I agree number two. Number two, Black journalists can't be

996
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 2: objective when reporting on black issues.

997
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 3: Object response, that's so rude. I am a professional. Okay. Also, yeah,

998
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 3: no that's not true. I mean I've definitely done a

999
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 3: lot of stories that like if you have a if

1000
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 3: you have a one dimensional view of what a black

1001
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 3: person is or how they view the world, that you

1002
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 3: would be surprised by the stories that I told. But

1003
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 3: my I think my goal as a journalist was to always,

1004
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 3: you know, do the unexpected and go to unexpected places, like.

1005
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: I go was saying.

1006
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 3: I did a story about black conservatives and Black Republicans

1007
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 3: and where those values come from and how they're evolving,

1008
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 3: and it elicited a really interesting response.

1009
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 2: But get out of here with that. Of course I

1010
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 2: can be objective. Watch me.

1011
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: TikTokers are the new investigative journalist. Somebody just tweeted that

1012
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: and you saw it on your timeline.

1013
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 3: Girl pleasement. We can investigate. We can investigate black girl

1014
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 3: shower talk. We can investigate the man who's saying you'll.

1015
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 2: Be married you in those uburbs.

1016
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 3: We can investigate that kind of stuff. But see, here's

1017
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 3: the thing here, here's the thing about investigative reporting. Like,

1018
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 3: investigative reporting is so intense. There are so many lawyers involved,

1019
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 3: there are so many producers involved. It has to go

1020
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 3: through so many checks and balances. Trust me, you don't

1021
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 3: want to you don't want to get into that game

1022
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 3: if you ain't ready like to see what's gonna happens.

1023
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 2: I almost to say about that right next one. If

1024
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 2: the story doesn't go viral, it doesn't.

1025
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 3: Matter, absolutely not, absolutely not. If viral is our new

1026
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 3: metric for worthiness, We're We're screwed, We're screwed. There are

1027
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 3: so many important stories that fly under the radar, and honestly,

1028
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 3: I feel like in our hyper connected world, we are

1029
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 3: not meant to necessarily know about all the things that

1030
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 3: are going on and be so wrapped up in everything

1031
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 3: that's going on. I think that's like the price that

1032
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 3: we pay for living in this like hyper connected world.

1033
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 3: But there are lots of stories that aren't the ones

1034
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 3: that get the most attention, that still need attention. So

1035
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say absolutely not. Was it supposed to be

1036
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 3: rapid fire? Was I supposed to say like one or

1037
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 3: two words? Because I'm not good at that.

1038
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: No? No, that's good, Okay, it's perfect, all right, So

1039
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: this is the next game, So would you report on it?

1040
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: Is this game? Right? So you know I'm on it,

1041
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,919
Speaker 1: I'll pass or only if it's breaking. Essentially, you don't

1042
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 1: have to use those words. A secret group of moms

1043
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 1: and Beverly Hills is microdosing mushrooms to survive PTA meetings.

1044
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 2: I'm on it.

1045
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 3: I am on it like lickety split. I'll be there

1046
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 3: next time.

1047
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 2: Nixtlan a TikTok trend where gen z ors quit capitalism

1048
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 2: by faking their own deaths and moving to the forest

1049
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 2: to start commutes.

1050
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm on it. Catch me on the next plane.

1051
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 3: I'll be on that forest island.

1052
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: This is for Hollywood. Leaked group chat reveals elite NYC

1053
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: influencer influencers are hiring body doubles to attend events for them.

1054
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 2: Again, I'm on it.

1055
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 3: These are these are all fire, These are all banger

1056
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 3: stories like this is.

1057
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 2: I want to watch these stories.

1058
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: You know me too.

1059
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 2: This all sounds good. Okay. A pastor starts say OnlyFans

1060
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 2: to fundraise for his new church and it's working.

1061
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: And the deacon slinging d you know what, I'll pass.

1062
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 2: I got time.

1063
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 3: No, I ain't got time for that trifle mess.

1064
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: No, hold on, this is this is the one. A

1065
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: whistleblow claims AI generated news anchors are being used to

1066
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:31,240
Speaker 1: spread political propaganda in Swing states.

1067
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 3: Oof, definitely on it, Like that needs to be reported.

1068
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,280
Speaker 1: I feel like it's sorry happening, black Mirra for sure?

1069
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:38,919
Speaker 1: Are you there?

1070
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 2: Are you? So? My name is Simone.

1071
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,720
Speaker 3: It has been a pleasure speaking with you today.

1072
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 2: All right. So we have a segment on our show

1073
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 2: called Dumb Bitch Story and you share a time where

1074
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 2: you got played by the opposite six in life? Anytime

1075
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 2: in life where they they played you.

1076
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 3: Do you have a story a time where somebody played me,

1077
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 3: like when I got cheated on her something? Mm hmmm, yeah, yeah,

1078
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 3: there was a time. There was a time in college

1079
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 3: I was dating this boy, and yeah, I started to

1080
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 3: have my my doubts and my questions, and so I

1081
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 3: hopped on the I hopped on the old Facebook. I

1082
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 3: did my little slew thing, you know, I did my

1083
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 3: investigative journalism, and come to find out he had a

1084
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 3: whole girlfriend someplace else in a different city. And that

1085
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 3: was that. That was that was Yeah, he had a

1086
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 3: whole life.

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Speaker 2: What did you say to him? How'd you end it?

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Speaker 2: I think it just.

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Speaker 3: I think I called and it gave like a really

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00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 3: ratchet phone call. Honestly, you know, you know when you

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00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 3: have to do that sometimes mm hmmm. I actually, now

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Speaker 3: that I think about it, My favorite favorite version of

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00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 3: this actually a better version of this question. Another story

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00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 3: is coming to mind. My best friend she was dating

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Speaker 3: this guy at our school and he had made her

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Speaker 3: watch his dog. She was watching his dog for like

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Speaker 3: a week and I and then it kept getting extended,

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Speaker 3: like the time kept going up and up, and she's

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Speaker 3: just watching this dog, and I'm like, girl, what is

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Speaker 3: going on? Like why are you just watching his dog?

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00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,720
Speaker 3: Where is he Why isn't he here? Come to find

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00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 3: out he had a girl in town he was cheating

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00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 3: on her, and I'm pretty sure he came over to

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00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 3: their house and I happened to be there, and I

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00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 3: like popped off on him and was going off about

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Speaker 3: the dog, like why you leave this dog at my

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Speaker 3: friend's house? Come and get this dog? Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, another another occasion where you just had to

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Speaker 3: let him know, you know, like you.

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Speaker 2: Just kind was the other girl allergic to the dog?

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Speaker 2: Why he got the dog over there or.

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Speaker 3: Something like because he got he got multiple dogs to

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Speaker 3: a woman, multiple dogs.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: So the first, like the first story you told, like

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Speaker 1: that really wasn't a dumbbitch story because if you would

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Speaker 1: have stayed right and continued to date this guy after

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00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 1: you found out that he had another situation going on,

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Speaker 1: then you would be a dumb bitch. Okay, okay, see

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Speaker 1: how bad bitch you got up out of there.

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Speaker 2: Okay I misunderstood. Yeah, so you never stayed after being

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Speaker 2: cheated all?

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Speaker 3: No, never, what's your sign, Aquarius?

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Speaker 1: I thought she was about to say, Virgo. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: say that's about right, Virgos. Ain't never got cheated on, Chad.

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Speaker 1: They'll warp it some type of way, like to where

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Speaker 1: they're always on top.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna leave too, though, They're not gonna stick around

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Speaker 2: too long, don't you know about that? Really?

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Speaker 1: Feel I mean the women. Yeah, my oldest sister isn't Aquarius.

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Speaker 1: One of the nicest people on the planet, but when

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Speaker 1: it comes to love, not the smartest, Sorry, Linda, I

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Speaker 1: love you, not the smartest. But other than that, she's

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Speaker 1: very brilliant. Okay, But they can get digitized a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Owing so much for joining us, so much.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, ladies.

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Speaker 3: Y'all are the best. It's such an honor to be here.

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Speaker 1: All right, y'all, have you enjoyed this episode?

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