1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. A beautiful co ed Christmas 2 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 1: Smart goes missing after a college party. Years passed, no resolution, 3 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: and now we are learning the prime suspect allegedly has raped, peeped, on, 4 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: stalked twenty nine other women. And we're just hearing that 5 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: amongst so much more evidence, is it true? Human blood 6 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: has been found in the backyard of the prime suspect, 7 00:00:52,960 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: Paul Floreses Dad Ruben Flores' home. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 8 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. Friday, May twenty fourth, nineteen 9 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: ninety six was the start of the Memorial Day weekend. 10 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: Most students had taken off, but Kristen had stayed on campus, 11 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: so had Margharita Campos, who lived in the next room 12 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: in your hall. They had become close friends, so when 13 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 1: they were invited to a party that Friday night, Kristen 14 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: was excited to go. And Kristen was like, come on, 15 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: let's go, let's go, And I was like, nah, I 16 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: have to study. And so she pulled me into this 17 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: sort of like, oh, come on, let's socialize, and these 18 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: girls are inviting us out, let's go. And I was 19 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: like okay, fine, But when we got to the house. 20 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: It was pretty dead to it. It was like a 21 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: couple of roommates hanging out playing video games, and Kristen 22 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: was like, oh gosh, there has to be something better 23 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: than this. The two girls walked to an area off 24 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: campus or there were fraternities, sororities, and residential housing for students. 25 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: Marcar Rita soon decided she'd had enough. I'll never forget 26 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: her shadow against the building this apartment complex, just standing 27 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: like kind of cross armed with a long leg and 28 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: she was just kind of like looking at me like, Oh, 29 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: you're really walking away now, Like you're really you're leaving 30 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: you are hearing Jonathan Bigliotti at forty eight Hours, describing 31 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: the night that Kristin Smart goes missing. Her body has 32 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: never been recovered to this day, but is so finally 33 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: a lead in the case. It may show us reveal 34 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: where her body is with me an all star panel 35 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: to make sense of it all. First of all, veteran 36 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,679 Speaker 1: trial lawyer Kathleen Murphy joining us out of North Carolina 37 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 1: at NC Domestic Law dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned psychoanalysts, 38 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: joining us out of Beverly Hills, a star of a 39 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: Netflix series blaming Empire. A doctor Bethany Marshall dot com, 40 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: forensics expert, founder and director of the Cold Case Research Institute. 41 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: You can find her at Cold Case Crimes dot org. 42 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, doctor Pria Banerjee, forensic pathologist at Anchor Forensic 43 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: Pathology Assistant medical Examiner. And Dave Minsky Public Safety, a 44 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: military reporter sent to Maria Times on the case from 45 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,839 Speaker 1: the get go. Before we go to Dave Minsky, take 46 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: a listen to more of what we know happened than night. 47 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 1: Christis Bart disappears. Paul keeps stopping along the way and 48 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: letting Cheryl Anderson know you can go on ahead. I've 49 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: got her, It's fine. She didn't think that was okay, 50 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: so she slowed down and walked with them. When they 51 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: reached the turn off to Cheryl's dorm, she says Flores 52 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: tried to hug and kiss her. She left them only 53 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: after he promised to take Kristan back to her dorm. 54 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: Paul and christ and then make their way here. What 55 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: happens next, So, if you believe Paul's story, he goes 56 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: into his dorm room here and he leaves her to 57 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: walk up this walkway. Her dorm entrance is right over here. 58 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: I personally think that wherever Kristen went, Paul was there 59 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: with her. I don't think that she went back to 60 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: her dorm at all. Whatever happened in those early hours, 61 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: one thing is indisputable. Christian Smart has never been seen again. 62 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: You're hearing our friends at forty eight hours. Take another 63 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: Listen to our cut too. She had ended up at 64 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: a party at this house. It's mostly frat guys from 65 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: the Kappa Kai fraternity. I don't know if Kristin knew 66 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: anybody there. Chris Lambert is a CBS News consultant, and 67 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: he's pieced together what he learned from people who were 68 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: there that night. Kristen became incredibly intoxicated, whether she was 69 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 1: drugged or whether she just had a lot to drink. 70 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: In a short amount of time, she ends up passed 71 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 1: out on the lawn next door. Lambert says Christine could 72 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: not stand on her own, so fellow student Cheryl Anderson, 73 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: who was also at the party, began helping her back 74 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: to campus. They were soon joined by another partygoer, Paul Flores. 75 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: As they describe it, Paul Flores just sort of appears 76 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: out of nowhere and offers to help. He gets his 77 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: arm around her torso and her arm around his neck, 78 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: and he's helping her walk. That's how it all went 79 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: down the night that Christian Smart disappeared. But in the 80 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: present day, major developments in the case regarding the search 81 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: of college co ed Christian Smart with me Dave Minsky, 82 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: Public Safety military reporter, Santa Maria Times. Dave, what is 83 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: the latest? I mean, what can you tell me about 84 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,679 Speaker 1: this treasure trope of documents. We've just gotten our mits 85 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: and we all know that in about a week's time 86 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: there's going to be a preliminary hearing where the state 87 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: will lay out its case in order to get the 88 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: case bound over for felony prosecution. But what's in those documents? Well, 89 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: right now, what we have in these documents, you have 90 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: about forty seven plus t about eaty pages actually that 91 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: kind of layout give details of what happened to Kristen 92 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: or allegedly happened to christ on the night she disappeared, 93 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: and what they allegedly discovered at Reuben Flores' house. And 94 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: also it provides accounts of several dozen women of Paul 95 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: Flores's alleged behavior over the years. By my account, a 96 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: total of twenty nine women now coming forward claiming that 97 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: Paul Flores, then in college at the time Christian goes missing, 98 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:40,919 Speaker 1: had either raped, stopped, drugged, or peaked on them. Twenty 99 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: nine women, separated in time and space, have come forward. 100 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: I'm just stunned that none of this has come out before, 101 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: but we're learning it now. We're also learning about very 102 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: damning evidence that's found at the home of the suspect, 103 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: Paul Flores and his add Ruben Flores. Take a listen 104 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: now to our cut five. This is Alexa Bertola at Ksby. 105 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: Paul and Reuben Flores were both in suits for their 106 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: first in person court appearance. The prosecution argued that additional 107 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: rape charges should be included in the case against Paul, 108 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: who was charged with murdering Smart during the commission of 109 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: rape or attempted rape. Prosecutor Chris Provel revealed in court 110 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: that during a search of Flores's San Pedro home in 111 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, they discovered Google searches for porn related to 112 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: drunk girls. One search included real drunken girls drugged in 113 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,239 Speaker 1: rate well passed out. He said they should include alleged 114 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: victims from the LA area dating back to twenty ten 115 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: and twenty seventeen. After searching Paul's cell phone in a 116 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: home video. Pravell also said Flores created home rape videos 117 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: that were stored on his home computer under a file 118 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: labeled practice, and called the defendant a serial rapist. He 119 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: said during a twenty twenty search warrants, they also found 120 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: date rape drugs at Flora's home. Okay, let me understand 121 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: this to Dave Minski joining us in the Santa Maria Times, 122 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: when they search the prime suspect, Paul Flora's home, who 123 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: was last with Kristin Smart the night she disappears, they 124 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: find a homemade date rape video montage various women drifting 125 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: in and out of consciousness while he has sex with them. 126 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: That's rape because they're unconscious and they cannot consent. They 127 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: find that, and it's called practice. And then they also 128 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: find very damning Google searches, for instance, real drunken girls 129 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: drugged and raped while passed out. I wouldn't even imagine. 130 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 1: I wouldn't even think to search a Google search like that. 131 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Guys, we are talking about 132 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: the most recent developments that we have learned in the 133 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: case of a missing co ed Kristen's smart a treasure 134 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: troupe of documents evidence. We've just gotten our mits on 135 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: very damny. I mean, Bethanie Marshall, you're the shrink. I'm 136 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: just a trial lawyer who in the world actually looks 137 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: on Google real drunken girls drugged and raped while passed out. Well, 138 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: it tells us so much information about him, Nancy. First 139 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: of all, it says that he wants absolute control over 140 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: his victims. He is not relating to women as people 141 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: with thoughts and feelings and motivations of their own. He 142 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 1: is relating to them as objects. It that there's a 143 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 1: certain amount of sadism in this, that he wants to 144 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: do things to them without their consent. Nancy. There were 145 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: a couple other reports that came out, one which is 146 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: that he was on the balcony of one of the 147 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: dorms with some women way back in nineteen ninety six, 148 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: and these women asked him to leave, and he would 149 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 1: not do it. They had to call the campus police. 150 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: Do you know for a college age man to not 151 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: leave the balcony of other students until the police arrived, 152 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,479 Speaker 1: That tells me that way back then he was already 153 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: completely predatory. So I wonder some pipes with Kristen Smart 154 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 1: if he was sort of a practice. And one other 155 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: thing about these rapes and rape kits and everything we're 156 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: learning about men who commit rape homicide have very prolific 157 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: fantasy lives, so they often this is why they will rape, 158 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: and then they will go under ground and then they'll 159 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 1: rape or rape and kill because they gather so many 160 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: fetishized objects, tape, memorabilia, fetishized objects, and then they use 161 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: those to masturbate too, so that in the absence of 162 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: victims they can keep their perverse sexual life going. I 163 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: agree with you, doctor Bethany Marshall, although with twenty nine 164 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: women coming forward, I don't know how much of a 165 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: break he took these twenty nine women claiming he either 166 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: drugged and raped them, stalked them, peeped on them, and 167 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: more so he got this perverse enjoyment out of peeping 168 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 1: tom activity. You know, Cheryl McCollum, I'm just sick to 169 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: my stomach that it has taken so long for this 170 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: evidence to be uncovered. You know what stands out for me. 171 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: You've got the twenty nine women, but oftentimes in these 172 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: type of social settings, men are oblivious, but not with 173 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: this guy. You've got men that have coming forward saying 174 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: he was aggressive towards females at the party. You got 175 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 1: another man saying he even went up to him and said, dude, 176 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: we hate you. Like other men had noticed he was 177 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: hanging out at the dorm that he didn't live at, 178 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,839 Speaker 1: that he was waiting in the early morning hours for somebody, 179 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,839 Speaker 1: and he would follow them and stalk them and be 180 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: inappropriate with them in front of other men. So that 181 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,719 Speaker 1: tells you this open secret this dude had about his 182 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: sexual predatory behavior was wide open. In fact, he had 183 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 1: a nickname at school. Did he not out to you, 184 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 1: Dave Minsky Chester the molester and psycho Paul. Yeah, that's 185 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 1: what they were alleging here in the documents that they released. Now, 186 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: why is it these documents are just being released, Dad Minsky? 187 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: You know, they allegedly uncovered all this evidence that you know, 188 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: Paul Flours might have raped women in la you know, 189 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: and back in April, District Attorney Saint Luis Obispo County 190 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: District Attorney Dan dow He wanted to add a rape 191 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: charge to the complaint, but the statute of limitations had expired. 192 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 1: So therefore they had to go back and kind of 193 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: dig up or find all this alleged evidence. And in 194 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 1: order to add that charge, they had to request the 195 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: judge to do that. In order to do that, they 196 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,599 Speaker 1: had to show all this other evidence alleged evidence. I 197 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: also believe that all this evidence is coming forward at 198 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 1: a statutory time. Under the law, it has to come 199 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: out X number of days before a for instance, trial 200 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 1: or preliminary hearing. But another thing that's very upsetting to me, 201 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy trial lawyer, is that the current judge says 202 00:13:55,960 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: that these rapes cannot be brought into evidence as similar 203 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: transactions to prove motive of course of conduct scheme frame 204 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: of mind. Remember with Weinstein, Harvey Weinstein, other sex attacks 205 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: on women that happened the same way as the case 206 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: in chief or allowed to show that Weinstein is what 207 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: we call a sex predator. Okay, so this is allowed 208 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: under the law. It's the same exact thing. He hits 209 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: on Christmas Smart, He starts following her, He takes her 210 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: back to his dorm. She was drugged, she had only 211 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: had like one or two drinks, but she was laying 212 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: on a lawn. She was obviously drugged. Same, Nancy. I 213 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: think you said it right on the You hit the issue. 214 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: It is the law we are allowed to bring in 215 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 1: that evidence, and that makes this an appealable issue. You 216 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: from the beginning, they should be allowed to bring in 217 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: all of those witnesses to show the course of conduct 218 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: is similar. Absolutely, not allowing that is outrageous. Go ahead, Dave, Well, 219 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: except the judge. You know, he thought that that evidence 220 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: would be too prejudicial to a potential jury, blah blah, 221 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: which is why he you know, I mean, that's why 222 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: very often she will call him. You and I have 223 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: been in the trenches. Very often you will get a 224 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: judge get a wild hair and disallow similar transactions. And 225 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: that's what's happening here. Of course, it's prejudicial. Every bit 226 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: of evidence the state brings on as prejudicial against the defendant. 227 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean it doesn't come into evidence. I mean, 228 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: the fact he was the last one with her, well, 229 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: that prejudices him. But it's true. I believe complaint what 230 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: but we have a video of it. And here's the thing. 231 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: I am never for keeping any information from a jury. 232 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: They should have everything that law enforcement has to make 233 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: that decision. If you keep the video of him raping 234 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: women from him, how does that help them put all 235 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: the pieces of this puzzle. Hey, Cheryl, are you sitting down? 236 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: I hope you may need to lay down for this. 237 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: Guess what the judge said that the evidence of all 238 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: the other rapes was quote too thin. Can you name 239 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: me one other felony that has to be corroborated outside 240 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: the victim's testimony other than rape? You know, I rob 241 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: a bang the bank till goes. It was him, It 242 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: was him, it was Grayson. That's all you need. So 243 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: why is it in a rape case? The victim was 244 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: saying he raped me, but that's not enough in a 245 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: rape case. And this judge upon the bitch. I hope 246 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: he is recalled. I can only pray that his constituents 247 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: are listening, says these women's their testimony quote too thin. 248 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: You've been fighting for a long time, and when we 249 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: first started, women had to pay for their rate kits. 250 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: We had to fight for that to change. There was 251 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 1: no other case at all, not entering auto, not burglary, 252 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 1: not homicide. We're a victim out to paper evidence crime 253 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace, Guys We are talking about a cash, 254 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 1: a treasure trove of documents that Dave Minsky with Santa 255 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,719 Speaker 1: Maria Times is describing that we have just gotten our 256 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 1: hands on in the Christian Smart disappearance that has gone 257 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: unsought for years and years. I've talked to her parents. 258 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: Can you imagine every morning they wake up without their 259 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: daughter and no justice. But it's not just about the 260 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: twenty nine other budged victims of his. It's not just 261 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: about his freaky CD. It's not just about his damning 262 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 1: Google searches. Take a Lissa to our cut six. This 263 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 1: is k sby. He added that four cadaver dogs hit 264 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: on Flores's mattress in his dorm room, adding they believe 265 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 1: Smart died in or around his bed back in nineteen 266 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: ninety six. The defense fired back, arguing that there is 267 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: zero evidence of rape, attempted rape, or murder. Attorney Robert 268 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: Singer said he was very disappointed in the effort to 269 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: make an emotional argument instead of facts. He said investigators 270 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: have been focusing on Flores since June six, nineteen ninety six, 271 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: when Flores stopped talking after voluntarily talking to law enforcement. 272 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: Singer claims Smart disappear before in Hawaii, and also that 273 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: three or more people reported the college freshman may have 274 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: been pregnant at the time she disappeared. The judge ruled 275 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: that there would be a spillover effect into the current case, 276 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: which he said has little to no evidence of rape. 277 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: Were attempted rape, so the motion to add new rape 278 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 1: charges was denied. All right, and Rade the victim through 279 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: them ud claiming that this teen girl was pregnant. I've 280 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 1: never heard that in my life. Now the defense attorney, 281 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: what is he a gynecologist? Why to say? Why would 282 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 1: he say that as total bs to make Kristin's Smart 283 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: look bad? Now, but that's not all present day. Take 284 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at k e YT. This 285 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: is our cut. Seven prosecutors will try to prove that 286 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: the remains of Kristen Smart were buried under the Arroyal 287 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: Grande home of Reuben Flores under a deck in the 288 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: back of the property, five days after the home was searched. 289 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: On February fourth of twenty twenty, a neighbor says they 290 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: saw Paul's mother and Flores and her boyfriend Mike McConville 291 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: pull a trailer into Reuben Flores's backyard near the deck. 292 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: A long time renter at the home on White Court 293 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: says the space underneath that deck was always locked. Authorities 294 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 1: returned to search the entire property on March fifteenth, and 295 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: archaeologists use ground penetrating radar under the deck. The documents 296 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: say that data showed a large four by six foot anomaly. 297 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: The experts said they found a major disturbance. Prosecutors argue 298 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 1: this is the exact scenario where someone would dig the hole, 299 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 1: put in the body, re excavate the hole to remove 300 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: the body, then fill it back in once the body 301 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: has been removed. The document states samples tested positive for 302 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: human blood in the area. I feel like my head 303 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: is about to blow off, Cheryl McCollum. You and I 304 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: together have gone on many many sayings including where we 305 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: bring cadaver dogs and ground penetrating sonar and what that does? 306 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: It looks like some have you ever seen those people 307 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: on the beach looking for money or rings that might 308 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: be in the sand. That's what it looks like. And 309 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 1: they device gives you a picture deep deep down into 310 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: the soil, and you can see once you take it 311 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: back and look at it, if that soil has been 312 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: moved rearranged. That's what it's looking for, or it might 313 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: actually find an object. It's kind of like a sonogram. 314 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: For you ladies like me that have had a somnogra 315 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: have to look at your children in your tummy. That's 316 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: kind of what it looks like. And so you see 317 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: all these gray ways and then you see something that 318 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: are different. That means the ground has been disturbed. So 319 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: now they find this area Cheryl mc collumn, that looks 320 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: like the shape of a casket. Why do people always 321 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: do in the shape of a casket. In fact, you 322 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: and I were just at a scene under a definite 323 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: lady convicted where he built a deck over the body. 324 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,719 Speaker 1: I'm talking about, Chase Master. That's what's happening here. They 325 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: even find human blood, Cheryl not long ago, using the 326 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: ground in a trait and radar, and we found a 327 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: pipe and even with that image you could tell clearly 328 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: it was some type of metal object. Here's here's a thing. 329 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 1: They've got blood, they've got a clandestine grave that she's 330 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: been removed from. They've got video, they've got similar transaction. 331 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: They've got witnesses that are male and female. They've got 332 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: a pattern of behavior that I guarantee you if investigators 333 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: would go back started in high school, they should piece 334 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 1: this together and put this in front of a jury, 335 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: almost like a movie the way you would do. Let 336 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: show this predator for the hunter that he is, and 337 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: what about this it's a it's a I swore I 338 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 1: would not curse tins. Yes, David, Dave Miski, I mean 339 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: I got to hear about the blood. Was the blood 340 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: found in the dirt or on the bottom of the 341 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: debt and this is a whole family affair. Did I 342 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: hear correctly, Dave Minsky that after the last sort of 343 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: the home, that one of the last sort of the home, 344 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 1: the mom and her boyfriend pull up with a trailer 345 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: to the back deck and dig something up. Help me, Minsky? Yeah, 346 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: well that was alleged by a neighbor who caught them, 347 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: allegedly caught them, you know, or you know, putting a 348 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: trailer up to his house and doing something and hauling 349 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: something away. But you know, we don't know what that is. 350 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 1: And I also just want to add real quick that 351 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: you know, there may have been a positive presence for 352 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: human blood and the dirt or in the in that 353 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: clandestine grave that you're describing. However, no DNA evidence was 354 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: attached to that, so they can't you know, rule out 355 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: that she was there, nor that they could rule out 356 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: that she wasn't there. Well, can't we tell that it's human? 357 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: What about that door? Preyert Banner forensic pathologist anchor forensic 358 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: pathology assistant medical examiner. Can't wait to tell if it's 359 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: human blood even if we don't get DNA. Yes, I mean, 360 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: I think that's a huge find and they can do 361 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 1: I'm not sure about field test, but if you collect it, 362 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: you know, that's one of the first steps in testing 363 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: any sort of trace evidence is it human or not? 364 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: You know, I just wanted to add that I do 365 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 1: go to a lot of crime scenes as a part 366 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: of my work, and any sort of indication like this, 367 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 1: you know, you should have more eyes out there. I've 368 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: been you know, involved in multiple on earthing of you know, 369 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: digging up of bodies. You can really get a sense 370 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: of if something's been disturbed recently, even if you know 371 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: the grass grows back different. Why did a deck appear? 372 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 1: Why is there a new path of cement? I mean, 373 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: people notice these things and I think it's worth going 374 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: back and if there's blood in that area, why not 375 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 1: start digging, you know, um and see if there's crass 376 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 1: of you know, clothing or other hair. I mean, I 377 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 1: don't know what would have survived, So that's really important 378 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: to get some skilled eyes out there. Let me understand 379 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: what you're saying. Day Man's key. I agree with everything. 380 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: Doctor pre Advantages just said. You're telling me that there 381 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: was blood found, but they couldn't get DNA or we 382 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: don't know if they've gotten DNA. Well, according to this, uh, 383 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: these documents, it looks like there is no human DNA 384 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 1: that was found in the blood due to the blood's petrification. 385 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 1: And also you know the tests they use. I guess whatever, 386 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 1: whatever kind of tests it was, it couldn't screen out 387 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: primate or ferret blood. But also you know, later on 388 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: in the document it said that you know, no, no 389 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: bodies of primates or ferrets are found nearby. So I 390 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 1: was going to say, like, I gotta jump in here, 391 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: Jo Cheryl. Let's see, an animal did not go into 392 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: that deck and die and better than sales and nor 393 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: did another animal come along and unearth them and move 394 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: them more than ten feet didn't. Are you sure to 395 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 1: tell me they don't know if it was an animal 396 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,120 Speaker 1: or a human. Is that what you're saying? Apparently? Yeah? 397 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: You know, I mean, you know, I read through all 398 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: these documents. I still distill a lot of questions I 399 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: have in my mind, and I just I don't really see. Well, 400 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 1: the document that we have recovered in this huge amount 401 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 1: of discovery says that samples tested positive for human blood 402 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 1: in the area. Correct, right, So why are we talking 403 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: about a primate who speaking? It's a docum energy Go ahead, dodger. Yeah, 404 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just saying, like, why isn't that probable 405 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 1: cause enough to start digging? I mean, they are digging. 406 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 1: They dug it up and there's not a body. Time 407 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:17,199 Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace, everybody were talking about the disappearance, 408 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: and I believe rape and murder co ed Kristen Smart. 409 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: Isn't it true that now the mother and her BF 410 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: have been charged. I don't know if I don't think 411 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: they've been charged. Excuse me? Named in a civil lawsuit. Yes, 412 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: they were about the civil law correct, right, Well, the 413 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: civil lawsuit alleged is just what you you mentioned that. 414 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: In s February of twenty twenty, the Sheriff's office conducted 415 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: a search on Reuben Flora as his home in Arroyo 416 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: Grinder and then with honor. About five five or so 417 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: days after that, that's when Susan Flora's and her boyfriend 418 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 1: Mike mcconbell allegedly went to Reuben's house did something you 419 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: know with the trailer and worked quote under the cover 420 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 1: or under the darkness of night to remove something and 421 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 1: hallowed away. We don't know what it was, and we 422 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: don't know if it's really true. So, guy John Van 423 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: about this. You know, this whole family is covering up 424 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: the crime. It's obvious. But the only person who doesn't 425 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,719 Speaker 1: truly have skin in the game is Mike, Susan Flores's 426 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: current boyfriend. This whole family has been conspiring and plotting 427 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: for years to cover up the crime of Chester, the molester, 428 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: the strange now adult son. I'm sure there's multiple other 429 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: things he's done. I'm sure the whole family dynamic is 430 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: organized around covering up their son's dysfunction problem criminal activities. 431 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: But Mike mccondrel, he's a newer member of the family. 432 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: Do you think he's really going to go to prison? 433 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: I mean, Reuben Flores is not his biological son. What 434 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: motivation does he have to cover up the crime. I mean, 435 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: if we look at the behavioral elegance, I couldn't imagine 436 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: that there's not at least one extended family member or 437 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: a friend of a family member who doesn't know something 438 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: about this crime. Nancy, I was in a royal grande recently, 439 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: the small town where the family lives. There's a huge 440 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: billboard there with Kristen Smart's picture, the same picture that's 441 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: all over the internet. A lot of people know about 442 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: this crime. It's hard to believe that somebody doesn't have 443 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: something that they can talk to about, talk about to 444 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: the police. I want to be specific about what Dave 445 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: Minsky is telling us. He's right. We are now learning 446 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: that Saint Louis Bispo investigators discovered human blood under the 447 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: home of Paul Flora's father, but records also show they 448 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,959 Speaker 1: found fabric fibers in the place where they believe Christen 449 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: Smart was buried. The ground penetrating radar found a six 450 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: by four foot anomaly, in other words, where somebody had 451 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: dug under the home. Four soil samples test positive for 452 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: human blood, but not for DNA. An archaeologist named Cindy Errington, 453 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: as I recall found standing in the dirt to indicate 454 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: a body had been put in a hole, chemical poured 455 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: over it, the whole field in and the body moved later. 456 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: Now again, I'm a trial lawyer. This is what an 457 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: archaeologist is saying. Nancy, pardon me for playing the devil's 458 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: advocate here, but I don't see anything that conclusively linked 459 00:30:54,840 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: Smart to this location. Yeah, okay, was that the devil's 460 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: advocate part? Yeah, well, you know you've got yeah, there's 461 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: no DNA found, right, you just have the positive presence 462 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: for human blood. But you also have, you know, some 463 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: sample fibers containing various colors of red, blue, brown, black, 464 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: and brown and black. And isn't it true when Christa 465 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: Smart was last saying she was wearing red Puma shoes, 466 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: black shorts with white stripes at a great top. Correct 467 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: if you can somehow prove that you know, these fibers 468 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: are linked to Kristen Smart and there might be something there. 469 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: Let me ask you something, Dave Minsky. If you went 470 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: into your studio and when you went in, the sun 471 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: was shining, it was beautiful weather outside, but when you 472 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: left for lunch, you looked around and everything was dark 473 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: and gray, there were black clouds overhead, and women were 474 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: going by holding their raincoats, and men rushing by with umbrellas, 475 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: and the ground was wet. Believe, yes, that circumstantial evidence 476 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: would prove to you beyond a reasonable doubt that it 477 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: had rained while you were in the studio, I might agree. 478 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: Do you agree I might reach that answer via conclusion 479 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: by exclusion? Yeah, well, I don't know what you're saying. 480 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: That's gibberish to me, but I will tell you that 481 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: as you just said, you would think you immediately said, 482 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: oh it rained. Yeah, you didn't see the storm, did you. 483 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,479 Speaker 1: You didn't see the rain drops, you didn't hear the lightning, 484 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: but you know it rained. And I would argue in 485 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: this case that Paul Floris was all over Christmas Smart 486 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: at this party. In fact, they fell to the floor. 487 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: He somehow, in his wrestling at the party, knocked her 488 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: to the floor. They fell together, and people took him 489 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: apart and went, man, you need to leave her alone. 490 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: Then somehow at this party she, after one or two drinks, 491 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 1: passed out on a lawn, and then he took her 492 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: cadaver dogs hit in his bedroom, his dorm, at his bed. 493 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 1: She's never seen alive again, and now dirt is moved. 494 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: There's a casket shape hole in his dad's backyard with 495 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: human blood in it. I don't need to say the 496 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: storm Dave Minsky to know it. Reigned. Take a listen 497 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: to our friend, Our cut eight Alexa Bertola Kspy. Eighty 498 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: total pages submitted before Wednesday's motion hearing are now unsealed. 499 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: On June twenty fifth, the LA County District Attorney's Office 500 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: granted permission to our jurisdiction to prosecute two counts of rate. 501 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: The documents claimed Paul Flores read two women in twenty 502 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: eleven and twenty seventeen in San Pedro. On June twenty ninth, 503 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: the defense filed opposition citing the rape charges where a 504 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 1: publicity stunt stating there is no new evidence tying Floors 505 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: to the disappearance of Smart since the initial investigation. It 506 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: goes on to say this may more accurately be characterized 507 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 1: as adding week but sensational counts to a week or 508 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 1: non existent murder case. The prosecution then filed a forty 509 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: three page response in a phone tap in January twenty twenty. 510 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: The document says Susan Paul's mother had a conversation with him, saying, quote, 511 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: the other thing I need you to do is to 512 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: start listening to the podcast. I need you to listen 513 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: to everything they say so we can punch holes in it. 514 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 1: Wherever we can punch holes, maybe we can't. You you're 515 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: the one that can tell me. And also to our 516 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 1: nine this is Megan Heal a KSB line plus. Then 517 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: twenty four hours after posting bail, Reuben Flores is hit 518 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,320 Speaker 1: with a lawsuit filed Thursday morning on behalf of the 519 00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: Smart family. Civil attorney James Murphy filed an intention infliction 520 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 1: of emotional distressed lawsuit saying there's compelling evidence Reuben and 521 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: Susan Flores and Susan's boyfriend quote worked through the night 522 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: under the cover of darkness to remove the remains of 523 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,359 Speaker 1: Kristen Smart to avoid having those remains at seven ten 524 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: White Court in the event of an additional search of 525 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: the property, and we have information that the contents of 526 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:25,320 Speaker 1: that grave site was then offloaded in some manner to 527 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: another location. He alleged is that Christen's remains were removed 528 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: from Ruben's property and scattered in the Wazna area after 529 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,800 Speaker 1: the San Luis Obispol County Sheriff's Office served search warrants 530 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,720 Speaker 1: at the Floors home on February fifth, twenty. The civil 531 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 1: lawsuit is based upon the fact that biological materials were 532 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: found in the ground in a whole adjacent to the 533 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 1: wall of Reuben Flores's house and unders deck. To you, 534 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:58,240 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, we learned that the night, as Dave Minsky 535 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 1: accurately reported from the Santa Maria Times, that a neighbor 536 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 1: says they saw a trailer of sorts pulling up to 537 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: the back of the Flora's home. That all through the night, 538 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: the neighbor could hear arguing all night long, all night long, 539 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 1: that lights were on, and that there was a ruckus 540 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,360 Speaker 1: going on in the back, in the cloak, under the 541 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 1: cloak of darkness. Well, it would have to be a 542 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 1: pretty stressful event because you have to make sure that 543 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 1: you're getting every single bone, button, shoe, earring, anything that 544 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: might be in that clandestine grave. And let me just 545 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,359 Speaker 1: say one other thing, Nancy, because this to me again 546 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,839 Speaker 1: is common sense. Who other than somebody with the last 547 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,839 Speaker 1: name of Floras would need to move that body If 548 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,320 Speaker 1: I'm a stranger and just happened to pick that kid's 549 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 1: porch to hide a body under. I ain't moving it. 550 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 1: Let him take the fall. We wait for this preliminary 551 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: hearing set to go down and a matter of days 552 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,879 Speaker 1: where we will hear more evidence. Nancy Grace Crimes story, 553 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,479 Speaker 1: signing off, Goodbye friend,