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Speaker 2: We have an amazing show for everybody today. I got
Speaker 2: a couple of programming notes just right here at the top. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: one of Crystal's youngest daughters is in the hospital today.
Speaker 4: We are wishing her absolutely the best.
Speaker 2: Another programming note, It's been quite a personal just mess
Speaker 2: here on Breaking Points. My grandfather died a couple of
Speaker 2: days ago. My actually getting married in a couple of
Speaker 2: days on Saturday, so I'm going to be out for the.
Speaker 4: Rest of the week.
Speaker 2: Luckily, we have our very own Ryan Grimm and Emily
Speaker 2: Joshinski who are stepping up to the plate. Ryan, thank
Speaker 2: you for bailing us out of these multiple personal crises
Speaker 2: that we face here on Breaking Points, were we have never.
Speaker 3: Been more thankful to have you man, So thank you both.
Speaker 1: Glad to be here. Wishing the Crystal's family, well, yes,
Speaker 1: thank you, Yeah, we all are. We're all thinking about
Speaker 1: her this morning. We'll keep everybody updated on that as well.
Speaker 2: So we have a couple of things, major things obviously
Speaker 2: to react to this morning. Ryan, We've got the RNC
Speaker 2: the first day yesterday. The big news that Crystal brought
Speaker 2: everybody yesterday is that Donald Trump has chosen Senator Jdvance
Speaker 2: of Ohio as his running mate. We're going to run
Speaker 2: through some of the details of that announcement, and then
Speaker 2: we're going to bring in Emily Jasinski from the RNC
Speaker 2: to get her reaction. Ryan and I are then going
Speaker 2: to interview Lieutenant Tim McMillan. He's the co founder of
Speaker 2: Debrief Media. Some of you may know him, but for
Speaker 2: our purposes, he actually is former law enforcement who worked
Speaker 2: multiple presidential protection details, and he's going to go over
Speaker 2: some more stunning details that we are learning about the
Speaker 2: failed assassination on Donald Trump and more importantly be failed
Speaker 2: Secret Service and local law enforcement response. The things that
Speaker 2: we are finding out now are just absolutely shocking, including
Speaker 2: that the gunman was known to law enforcement with the
Speaker 2: picture some thirty minutes before the shooting, and that the
Speaker 2: building that he was in during the shooting apparently had
Speaker 2: Secret Service snipers inside of it along with law enforcement.
Speaker 2: It doesn't get more of a failure than that. We're
Speaker 2: going to talk a little bit about the polls. We're
Speaker 2: going to talk about some of the reaction anticipated of
Speaker 2: the RNC, where Donald Trump stands today. And then also Ryan,
Speaker 2: this will be great for you and I to discuss,
Speaker 2: is the DNC and their official decision to try and
Speaker 2: nominate Joe Biden officially virtually before the convention to stay
Speaker 2: any more conversation about whether he should stay in the race.
Speaker 2: We're also going to talk about Joe Biden giving another
Speaker 2: interview yesterday on NBC News with Lester Holt.
Speaker 4: We have a couple of clips from that.
Speaker 2: He also appeared on YouTube channel on Complex actually for
Speaker 2: YouTubers who are out there, and some claims about Israel
Speaker 2: and Palestine which certainly bear scrutiny. RFK Junior, who, by
Speaker 2: the way, Emily will have an interview with sometime later today.
Speaker 2: We'll be getting seper service protection. We're going to talk
Speaker 2: about that. And then finally, the document's case against Trump
Speaker 2: was officially dismissed by the judge. Massive, massive victory, legal
Speaker 2: victory for him. We're going to talk to our legal
Speaker 2: friend Bradley Moss about it.
Speaker 3: Now. Look, here's the thing about Bradley. We all know
Speaker 3: he has an.
Speaker 2: Opinion, but on the facts of the matter, he actually
Speaker 2: can be a pretty objective legal analyst whenever he wants
Speaker 2: to be. So we're going to push him a little
Speaker 2: bit on that. So let's go ahead and start, you know,
Speaker 2: with the RNC. By the way, we finally got our
Speaker 2: very first view of Donald Trump after that failed assassination attempt. Guys,
Speaker 2: let's go en roll some of this video that we
Speaker 2: can see. Ryan. You can see he's got a large
Speaker 2: piece of it, a gauze and bandage that is on
Speaker 2: his right ear, which he said was pierced by a bullet.
Speaker 2: Obviously a very big bandage, and it's a living reminder
Speaker 2: of the assation attempt that was just a couple of
Speaker 2: days ago.
Speaker 3: Here we have JD.
Speaker 2: Vance officially being nominated and I think it's by acclamation
Speaker 2: as the vice presidential nominee for the Republican Party. While
Speaker 2: he was standing with the Ohio delegation just to go
Speaker 2: a little bit more into it. Guys, Let's go and
Speaker 2: put this next one up on the screen, the official
Speaker 2: Truth Social announcement that from Donald Trump yesterday. After lengthy
Speaker 2: deliberation and thought, considering the tremendous talents of many others,
Speaker 2: I have decided that the person best suited to assume
Speaker 2: the position of Vice President is Senator JD. Vance of
Speaker 2: the great State of Ohio. JD honorably served our country
Speaker 2: in the Marine Corps, graduated from Ohio State Summa cum
Speaker 2: laude Yale Blah Blah Blah, Hill Hillbilly Elgi became a
Speaker 2: bestseller and a movie. It championed the hard working men
Speaker 2: and women of our country. JD has had a successful
Speaker 2: business career in technology and finance, and now during the campaign,
Speaker 2: will be strongly focused on the people. He fought so
Speaker 2: brilliantly for the American workers and arms in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, Minnesota,
Speaker 2: and far beyond. So, as you know, Ryan, those three
Speaker 2: states that he listed, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin literally the
Speaker 2: must win states there for Donald Trump. The initial response
Speaker 2: so far from the Biden campaign and from many critics
Speaker 2: of Vance, have been about some of his past comments.
Speaker 2: So before we get your thoughts, I just wanted to
Speaker 2: throw to this interview where he addressed some of that
Speaker 2: last night with Sean Hannity of Fox News.
Speaker 3: Let's get to it.
Speaker 5: If you go back to what I thought in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 5: another thing that was going on, Sean is I bought
Speaker 5: into the media's lies and distortions. I bought into this
Speaker 5: idea that somehow he was going to be so different,
Speaker 5: a terrible threat to democracy.
Speaker 6: It was a joke. Joe Biden is.
Speaker 5: The one who's trying to throw his political opposition in jail.
Speaker 5: Joe Biden is the one who's trying to undermine American
Speaker 5: law and order. President Trump did a really good job,
Speaker 5: and I actually think it's a good thing. When you
Speaker 5: see somebody you were wrong about him. You ought to
Speaker 5: admit the mistake and admit that we're wrong.
Speaker 6: John.
Speaker 5: I got to say, Donald Trump is as healthy as
Speaker 5: anybody I've ever met. I tell him all the time,
Speaker 5: he's got ridiculous geenes. I played to be a very
Speaker 5: good vice president for Donald Trump in four years.
Speaker 4: Interesting there, Ryan, So yeah, give us your reaction. What
Speaker 4: do you think.
Speaker 1: Well, the most important thing, of course, is that this
Speaker 1: is what I predicted, right, So, but the reason that
Speaker 1: people didn't think that this was going to happen is
Speaker 1: that he doesn't quote unquote bring anything to the ticket.
Speaker 1: You know, you're just politically speaking, you know, Ohio is
Speaker 1: already in the bag for Republicans. He doesn't he doesn't
Speaker 1: check any diversity boxes other than having a beard. And
Speaker 1: so people are like, why, you know, why do that,
Speaker 1: especially when you know then you lose a major Trump
Speaker 1: supporter in the Senate and maybe the Wine appoints vivic
Speaker 1: but maybe not, maybe he appoints some almost why yes,
Speaker 1: almost certainly? Well not well a point like at the
Speaker 1: wine like figure. And so the question that was always well,
Speaker 1: why would he do that? It just doesn't add anything
Speaker 1: to the race. And maybe I was wrong when I predicted.
Speaker 1: And the only reason that the prediction came true is
Speaker 1: that Trump is now so confident in the polling that
Speaker 1: he doesn't feel like he actually needs a boost in
Speaker 1: the election. And what he needs is is help governing
Speaker 1: and help pushing the kind of MAGA agenda forward. And
Speaker 1: as you saw in that statement that he put out,
Speaker 1: Trump loves credentials. It's one of the funniest contradictions about Trump.
Speaker 1: He just absolutely runs against all the elites. But the
Speaker 1: fact that he was summa cum laude at Yale kind
Speaker 1: of makes it into the truth social post about his
Speaker 1: upcoming vice presidential nominee. So it really does feel like
Speaker 1: him leaning into his base and showing an extraordinary amount
Speaker 1: of confidence that either Joe Biden is going to stay
Speaker 1: on the ticket and Trump is going to handle him easily,
Speaker 1: or he's going to get replaced by Kamala and he's
Speaker 1: as he said on that in that golf course video,
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, she's practically even worse.
Speaker 3: So that's what I read from it.
Speaker 2: I think you're right breaking points. Viewers will know if
Speaker 2: you want to go roll the tape from a few
Speaker 2: months ago. I said I don't think that Trump will
Speaker 2: pick JD. And this was pre assassination attempt, obviously, but
Speaker 2: I said I don't think that. Yeah, I said, I
Speaker 2: don't think he will pick JD unless he is totally
Speaker 2: confident of victory. And it's like, well, I actually saw
Speaker 2: your analysis on that in the snap reaction. I totally
Speaker 2: agreed with it, and look, full disclosure, I have known
Speaker 2: JD Van's on a personal level for probably eight almost
Speaker 2: eight years now, So people should take everything I say
Speaker 2: with a grain of salt.
Speaker 1: I do think you might put that up. I might
Speaker 1: have even known him longer. You want to hear my
Speaker 1: funny jds, go go for it. So as he was
Speaker 1: writing his book, and before it had even been published,
Speaker 1: he reached out to or somehow he got in touch
Speaker 1: with Arianna Huffington, who was my boss at the time
Speaker 1: at the Huffington Post, because he wanted help, you know,
Speaker 1: promoting the book, and we ended up we don't ended
Speaker 1: up excerpting a copy of it. In Aria connected me
Speaker 1: with him and said, you know who's great at book promotion?
Speaker 3: You know Ryan? You talk to Ryan.
Speaker 1: So JD and I talked before the book came out,
Speaker 1: and I gave him some little advice here and there.
Speaker 1: And it's funny thinking back on the advice I gave.
Speaker 1: One of the things was like every event that you
Speaker 1: go to make sure you collect all the emails with
Speaker 1: the people that like go to those events. And yeah,
Speaker 1: of course we'll run an excerpt of the book. It
Speaker 1: sounds really interesting and thinking of like collecting going from
Speaker 1: collecting like, you know, thirty emails at a Barnes and
Speaker 1: noble in like Columbus, Ohio. To being the vice presidential
Speaker 1: nominee is quite something.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you.
Speaker 2: It is personally surreal and weird, you know, to kind
Speaker 2: of see something just I mean, it's something that you
Speaker 2: imagine in a movie. Then you see him get officially acclaimed.
Speaker 2: It is interesting. I think for a couple of reasons.
Speaker 2: The big difference is that so look, and this was
Speaker 2: actually this was Crystal's point. She was like, Trump has
Speaker 2: never given any consideration to governing, so why should we
Speaker 2: believe that he's going to care this time around. Honestly,
Speaker 2: I think that's a fair criticism. And that is one
Speaker 2: where I also was frankly worried. I was like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: here we go. We're gonna get Tim Scott or Doug
Speaker 2: Berghum or you know any of these other just box checkers,
Speaker 2: or Doug is a guy who brings in a lot
Speaker 2: of money, Tim Scott, I think we all know what
Speaker 2: that one is. Because Trump just loves the fake diversity.
Speaker 2: For Rubio, it was the same thing. Oh he speaks
Speaker 2: Spanish as if you know, you know, this is the
Speaker 2: funny thing. Trump Pence won what ten million more votes
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty and flipped multiple Hispanic counties in South Texas.
Speaker 2: I don't remember anybody saying, oh, well, if only Mike
Speaker 2: Pence had spoken Spanish, then all these Hispanics would.
Speaker 3: Have voted for him.
Speaker 2: It's a stupid way of thinking about how minority voters
Speaker 2: actually vote. But regardless, I can only say that from
Speaker 2: my knowledge of the conservative movement and others, this is
Speaker 2: a pick of a person who genuinely does care about
Speaker 2: a lot of the purported things that Trump also has
Speaker 2: ran on in the past. So if we talk about immigration,
Speaker 2: if we talk about industrial policy, if we talk about
Speaker 2: foreign policy, and now I will say on foreign policy,
Speaker 2: I'm going to be totally honest, it is a little
Speaker 2: bit more mixed than a lot of people may not.
Speaker 2: JD is very anti aid to Ukraine. He's a very
Speaker 2: I would say, pretty similar in my view about that conflict,
Speaker 2: also about having to reorient US foreign policy towards China,
Speaker 2: and also about the way that we should approach you know,
Speaker 2: let's say, the military industrial complex and all of that.
Speaker 2: That said, I mean, I'm going to be totally upfront
Speaker 2: here and say that he certainly has a very different
Speaker 2: opinion I think on Israel, pales sign that conflict as well.
Speaker 2: I have never spoken to him about it, just in
Speaker 2: case anybody wants me to know, but he did talk
Speaker 2: a little bit about that in his interview yesterday. So
Speaker 2: I won't claim that he is some you know, one
Speaker 2: hundred percent anti war candidate, but he is certainly, I
Speaker 2: would say, different than Lindsey Graham or any traditional doctrinaire Republican.
Speaker 1: What do you think, Ryan, Yeah, I think I think
Speaker 1: that's right. People might see his Ukraine policy and think
Speaker 1: for a second that, oh, maybe he's going to be
Speaker 1: different than Washington, you know, the watching consensus when it
Speaker 1: comes to Israel Palace time. But no, that's not that's
Speaker 1: not really the case. I think Cristel's point is an
Speaker 1: interesting one about how Trump. You know, I'll believe it
Speaker 1: when I see it, and with Trump's interest in governing,
Speaker 1: but I think one way to think about it is
Speaker 1: that you know, whether or not you think that there
Speaker 1: was a deep state pushback and conspiracy to to undermine
Speaker 1: and destroy Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: Whether you believe that or not isn't the point.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump very much believes that, right, and so you
Speaker 1: don't have to believe that Trump has all of a
Speaker 1: sudden gotten an interest in governing, you know, for the
Speaker 1: sake of governing, because he wants to lift up all
Speaker 1: people or anything like that. All you have to believe
Speaker 1: is that Trump thinks that he was not surrounded with
Speaker 1: the kind of people that were loyal to him and
Speaker 1: that would defend him in his battle, you know, with
Speaker 1: this deep state, and I think he feels like JD.
Speaker 1: Vance is one of those people. And so whether that
Speaker 1: leads to or not, I think for Trump is completely
Speaker 1: beside the point. But it does show that he's going to,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of approach this what he sees as
Speaker 1: this internal conflict with more seriousness than he did last time.
Speaker 2: That's a great point, and that is another way where
Speaker 2: you can both believe in Trump's narcissism and his own
Speaker 2: personal interests and also projected, yeah, as what I've interviewed
Speaker 2: Donald Trump four five times, I think in the Oval office,
Speaker 2: and what is the number one gripe that he would
Speaker 2: always have these people are not loyal to me.
Speaker 3: I remember interviewing him immediately after.
Speaker 2: The entire Jeff Sessions bit, and actually I think I
Speaker 2: pressed him or maybe it was Jared Kushner and either
Speaker 2: one of these interviews, and I was like, guys, what
Speaker 2: are we doing here, Jeff Sessions. It was preempted trump
Speaker 2: Ism before Trump. This guy's the og immigration hawk, you
Speaker 2: know on all of these different policy issues, a lot
Speaker 2: more skeptical on foreign policy. And they're like, yeah, well
Speaker 2: he wasn't loyal, you know, on the Mueller investigation. But
Speaker 2: here is where you can actually fuse kind of the
Speaker 2: two things, as you said, And you can have somebody
Speaker 2: who's deeply skeptical of the federal bureaucracy, of the intelligence community,
Speaker 2: of a lot of the other people who are quote
Speaker 2: out to get Trump, and look, whether they're out to
Speaker 2: get him from a law or perspective or not, which
Speaker 2: I do think is true. I think it is empirical
Speaker 2: that there's obviously an ideology that pervades people who work
Speaker 2: in the United States government. And he has said JD
Speaker 2: very openly and clearly. He's like, look, we need to
Speaker 2: fire all these people and get rid of them. All
Speaker 2: Trump hears is, oh, the people who tried to get me,
Speaker 2: We're going to fire them. So those are not necessarily
Speaker 2: you know, incompatible, I guess is one I need to
Speaker 2: say it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think that's exactly like their their
Speaker 1: interests to line there.
Speaker 3: Right for Trump, the fact that he's loyal and they
Speaker 3: have the same.
Speaker 4: Enemies is enough, right, right, good point.
Speaker 1: And JD has shown that he'll just debase like debases,
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit unfair. He's he's done such a
Speaker 1: one ady on Trump that he has the zeal of
Speaker 1: the converted.
Speaker 3: He certainly does.
Speaker 2: And listen, I again will say I no one can
Speaker 2: ever know anyone's heart. Here's what he was. He said
Speaker 2: the same in interviews. I'll tell you on a personal level,
Speaker 2: if you talk to him without the cameras, Roland, he
Speaker 2: would tell you the same thing.
Speaker 6: He's like.
Speaker 3: I think that was wrong.
Speaker 2: I believed a lot of these mediaized his own personal
Speaker 2: like his own personal quote unquote conversion on a lot
Speaker 2: of not even necessarily issues, but of Trump himself as
Speaker 2: this figure in the Republican Party who is both speaking
Speaker 2: to a lot of the concerns, but itself is the
Speaker 2: vehicle through which to get some of the things done
Speaker 2: for the voters. Let's say that he represents in Ohio
Speaker 2: and others. I think it is genuine. That is my opinion.
Speaker 2: But you know, you can say what you want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead, Yeah, what we see now maybe his
Speaker 1: genuine opinion and what we saw before, maybe what he
Speaker 1: was telling to the audience that was going to buy
Speaker 1: his books. So we always assume that the thing you're
Speaker 1: saying first is genuine, and then you switch to the
Speaker 1: artificial position.
Speaker 3: He might have gone artificial to genuine.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I think he was being real at
Speaker 4: the time, too.
Speaker 3: Real both just so. Also it doesn't matter because it's
Speaker 3: post as you and I both know.
Speaker 2: Back in twenty sixteen, Okay, it was eight years ago,
Speaker 2: I tweeted this morning. I go, honestly, if you're the
Speaker 2: same person you were eight years ago, you're a mediat,
Speaker 2: like you're actually an idiot. That means that you don't
Speaker 2: think about anything. I'm certainly not the same person I
Speaker 2: was eight years ago. Let's put this up there on
Speaker 2: the screen because this is probably for our purposes on
Speaker 2: this show. What is going to be one of the
Speaker 2: more undercovered aspects of jd Vance As the pick people
Speaker 2: will recall, I was talking about here on the show
Speaker 2: about how the mega donors, specifically in the financial sector,
Speaker 2: have been very against JD Vance. So this is from
Speaker 2: the Financial Times. They say, why the rise of jd
Speaker 2: Vance and Trump World divides US business. Some deal makers
Speaker 2: detect an anti corporate agenda in the populist ideology of
Speaker 2: the vice presidential contender. They talk specifically about how Vance
Speaker 2: has been open to corporate tax raise hikes, how he
Speaker 2: walked the UAW picket.
Speaker 3: Line, Ryan, how.
Speaker 2: He praised Lena Khan, the FTC chair under the Biden administration.
Speaker 3: I can tell you at a personal level.
Speaker 2: I was at a speech that he'd gave some three
Speaker 2: four days ago, and in it he specifically was castigating
Speaker 2: the Wall Street Journal editorial board being pro corporate and
Speaker 2: shouting out organizations in the conservative movement who are pro
Speaker 2: industrial policy and who've actually been lobbying hard to raise
Speaker 2: the corporate tax rate come twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4: Now, I'm not going to sit here and claim that JD.
Speaker 4: Vans is a leftist.
Speaker 2: However, you know he wasn't in Congress in twenty and seventeen.
Speaker 3: I don't believe that he.
Speaker 2: I know for a fact there are at least some
Speaker 2: aspects of the TCJA twenty seventeen bill that he would
Speaker 2: not support necessarily. He's been on the record about child
Speaker 2: tax credits or about redistributive programs, not again in the
Speaker 2: way that some leftists would want me certainly is before
Speaker 2: work requirements and other things, but not ideologically a Ron
Speaker 2: Johnson or a Rand Paul or even a Mitch McConnell.
Speaker 1: I guess, as one way would put it. What do
Speaker 1: you think, ran, Yeah, the Lena Kahn point is an
Speaker 1: amazing one. And that you see my cat.
Speaker 3: Just snopped over. We love show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's another one too walking around here somewhere. So
Speaker 1: the Lena Khan question is an amazing one. And I
Speaker 1: was talking to a conservative movement source yesterday about this
Speaker 1: kind of out of the box question of is there
Speaker 1: a world in which he would actually keep Lena Khan
Speaker 1: as chair of FTC? And she said, you know what,
Speaker 1: if it were up to him, I could see it
Speaker 1: like you could actually imagine jd Vance kind of flipping
Speaker 1: the script and saying, you know what, Lena Khan might
Speaker 1: not be my first choice, but like she has done
Speaker 1: I think, I think his exact quote, she's done a
Speaker 1: pretty good job.
Speaker 3: And it would show having her in there would be
Speaker 3: a symbol of.
Speaker 1: The of the way that the the kind of two
Speaker 1: sides have come together at least on you know, anti populist,
Speaker 1: anti trust policy and The question.
Speaker 3: Though, becomes, what does Trump think?
Speaker 1: You know Trump's donors are, are you know much much
Speaker 1: less inclined, much more inclined to slide with the Wall
Speaker 1: Street Wall Street Journal editory board? And what much will
Speaker 1: depend on who becomes chief of staff?
Speaker 3: Was her argument. Yes, you are exactly right, Ryan.
Speaker 2: We actually have Emily on standby waiting to get her
Speaker 2: in here, so let's get her reaction.
Speaker 3: Joining us now our very own Emily Justinski.
Speaker 2: It's good to see you from the RNC for our purposes,
Speaker 2: and we want to get your reaction here to the
Speaker 2: Teamsters President Sean O'Brien, he's been on this show twice
Speaker 2: actually speaking about the vice presidential pick jd Vance.
Speaker 4: Let's take a listen. We'll get your reaction.
Speaker 7: I mean jd Vance a short time that we've worked together,
Speaker 7: I mean he's been great on teams to issues. He
Speaker 7: is supporting co sponsored airline manufacturer and bill that addresses
Speaker 7: outsourcing of critical airline maintenance to China. He's also supported
Speaker 7: paid sickly for our railroad workers. You remember that situation
Speaker 7: a couple of years ago. They weren't gainst sick time.
Speaker 7: He stepped right up. He's also been very vocal and
Speaker 7: supportive of holding employers accountable who try and skirt their
Speaker 7: obligation under an independent contract, a model known as DSP.
Speaker 7: So he's been right there on all our issues were
Speaker 7: publicly stated it and look at this day and age,
Speaker 7: there's nothing better than having a US Marine represented as
Speaker 7: a vice president candidate.
Speaker 3: What'd you make of that?
Speaker 2: Emily John O'Brien later spoke actually at the RNC, which
Speaker 2: is a big moment. I think he's the first Team's
Speaker 2: president of one hundred and twenty one years to address
Speaker 2: the Republican Convention.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Gabryel Barnburner of a speech, and he led actually
Speaker 8: with the same thing.
Speaker 9: That Donald Trump did.
Speaker 8: You'll you'll notice he highlighted Jade Vance as a marine.
Speaker 8: It's basically the first sentence that Donald Trump had after
Speaker 8: announcing Jade Vance was his vice presidential pick. In his
Speaker 8: true social post, he said he's a marine. And I
Speaker 8: think that's actually pretty interesting. You know, I'm about an
Speaker 8: hour outside the city right now, very conservative county of Wisconsin.
Speaker 8: But you know, in those areas that used to be
Speaker 8: less conservative, when you go out to Role Wisconsin, it's
Speaker 8: not just Trump Country, it's Berney country, and I think
Speaker 8: that's what you know, we take for granted almost because
Speaker 8: we've known for so long that the RNC was coming
Speaker 8: here to Wisconsin and to Milwaukee, that this was a
Speaker 8: strategic pick, and it's been. It's turned out actually to
Speaker 8: be somewhat of a genius pick. Not that it took
Speaker 8: a genius to figure out that, you know, you should
Speaker 8: go to Wisconsin, no offense to Hillary Clinton, even all
Speaker 8: these years later, but it doesn't take a genius to
Speaker 8: figure that one out. And for these these union guys,
Speaker 8: if you look around at state like Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, you
Speaker 8: realize that you just can't get around, You just can't
Speaker 8: get around where most of your members are on.
Speaker 9: The Trump question. I'm not talking about.
Speaker 8: Any politics outside of that, because, as you and Ryan know,
Speaker 8: when you talk to people, the kind of people that
Speaker 8: shown O'Brien represents the Trump question is somewhat separate from
Speaker 8: how those other politics fall in line afterwards, and you
Speaker 8: just can't get around where most of the people who
Speaker 8: represents are on the Trump question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ryan, let's get your reaction to not only to that,
Speaker 2: but to this as well. I want to hear what
Speaker 2: both of you have to say let's put this up
Speaker 2: there on the screen, monumental news that the Teamsters are
Speaker 2: considering no endorsement in the twenty twenty four race. I mean, Ryan,
Speaker 2: what would that mean for a Democratic presidential ticket?
Speaker 4: It just seems astounding.
Speaker 3: It's interesting.
Speaker 1: It's not clear symbolically it means an enormous amount, But
Speaker 1: the Teamsters and the building trades kind of more broadly
Speaker 1: have had their members supporting Donald Trump by sixty to
Speaker 1: seventy percent plus margins, you know, going back to twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: and with the kind of Teamsters and building trade broadly
Speaker 1: leadership making the case back to their members that actually know,
Speaker 1: Democrats are better for you for your pocketbook issues and
Speaker 1: for you know, supported the NLRB and supportive union issues,
Speaker 1: and then hearing back from their members. Yeah, but A,
Speaker 1: we like, we like Donald Trump, and b look at
Speaker 1: look at how wages went up, you know, look at
Speaker 1: how I had more money in my pocket.
Speaker 3: While Trump was president, and so on.
Speaker 1: The on a sheer number of votes, it probably doesn't
Speaker 1: actually matter that much because so many teamsters themselves were
Speaker 1: already voting for Republicans. Now, if it means that, you know,
Speaker 1: teamsters aren't spending money you know that matters, although both
Speaker 1: parties have so much money at this point that, you know,
Speaker 1: a few million dollars from the Teamsters is kind of
Speaker 1: at the margins. The way that people inside the labor
Speaker 1: movement are viewing what Sean O'Brien is doing is kind
Speaker 1: of looking out for his members under a Trump administration,
Speaker 1: which everybody on the left expects to be filled with vengeance.
Speaker 1: Whether that's true or not, Like that is how the
Speaker 1: left is seeing a potential Trump administration, and so they
Speaker 1: see Sean O'Brien as positioning himself and the Teamsters in
Speaker 1: a way that would, you know, mitigate some of the
Speaker 1: damage that might be done to organize labor under it
Speaker 1: under a Trump administration.
Speaker 2: Emily, what was it like in the room when Sean
Speaker 2: O'Brien was speaking and when JD was picked? Just give
Speaker 2: us some color that we may not have picked up
Speaker 2: on the camera.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I wasn't in the room last night because the
Speaker 8: press credential and closed at like six pm, even though
Speaker 8: all the speeches were to come. Shout out to the
Speaker 8: r n C for that one. But I will say
Speaker 8: I find it fascinating the crowd that's mingling here in
Speaker 8: Milwaukee because in Zager you definitely know this, you've seen
Speaker 8: this before.
Speaker 9: It's it's different. Delegates are different.
Speaker 8: It's not so much that you know they're they're different people,
Speaker 8: but it's it's just that it's a sense of let's say,
Speaker 8: I don't want to I don't want to use the
Speaker 8: word loyalty because the corporate media uses that and I
Speaker 8: don't think it's the right word to so many average
Speaker 8: Republicans approach to Donald Trump.
Speaker 9: But it's a real sense of love.
Speaker 8: Honestly, I think that's the best word for Donald Trump
Speaker 8: that you didn't used to see for Republican politicians. Outside
Speaker 8: to my memory, I remember being at CEPAC in twenty
Speaker 8: twelve and seeing Sarah Palin.
Speaker 9: That's the closest thing I've seen to this in the past.
Speaker 8: And what's so interesting to me is the split screen
Speaker 8: of the Republican Party being on full display yesterday, because
Speaker 8: I don't think let's just say Trump doesn't pick jd Vance.
Speaker 8: Let's say Donald Trump picks Tim Scott, financial Services Committee chairman,
Speaker 8: close to a lot of the banks and the corporations,
Speaker 8: and that's where he is. Doug Burgham something similar with
Speaker 8: Doug Bergham and some of the other characters that Donald
Speaker 8: Trump was reportedly considering. It's not clear to me what
Speaker 8: that would mean for a future Sean O'Brien speech at
Speaker 8: the RNC. Is this going to be a one off?
Speaker 9: Well?
Speaker 8: With jd Vance sort of ascend it in the Republican
Speaker 8: Party now even more formally than he was just forty
Speaker 8: eight hours ago, it looks like you could potentially have
Speaker 8: another Sean O'Brien's speech at an rn C in the future.
Speaker 8: Sean O'Brien or teams for speech or teams are endorsement
Speaker 8: even it's unclear, but the weight sort of in the
Speaker 8: balance went on that side last night.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: And I want to get your reaction to to some
Speaker 2: of the other speakers that were last night. We had
Speaker 2: David Sachs, who's been here on the program. We had
Speaker 2: Amber Rose, and we had the teams quite quite a lineup.
Speaker 2: What's your reaction to that, Emily, you know, on the
Speaker 2: ground people you're talking to, what's happening here?
Speaker 3: David?
Speaker 2: I guess you know, he gave a lot of money
Speaker 2: and he's somebody who I think on the on foreign policy.
Speaker 2: By the way I can say this, he is one
Speaker 2: hundred percent consistent. People can go and watch my interview
Speaker 2: with David here at the desk, even on Israel. I
Speaker 2: know all the lefties want to go go watch it
Speaker 2: for yourself. You can hear what he has to say
Speaker 2: right here where I'm sitting. But what was it like,
Speaker 2: you know, to see that coming together? What's your observation
Speaker 2: there of what's happening.
Speaker 8: It's just so Trumpian, and it's even more Trumpian than
Speaker 8: twenty sixteen, twenty twenty.
Speaker 9: It feels like full Trump.
Speaker 8: Although we may never actually reach full Trump, it feels
Speaker 8: like we're fuller.
Speaker 9: Trump than we were in the past.
Speaker 8: The Amber Roach speech, in particular, I saw Matt Walsh,
Speaker 8: for example, of the Daily Wire saying that this was
Speaker 8: a disaster. Republicans put something put someone who's you know,
Speaker 8: sexually promiscuous and as a face tattoo on the stage.
Speaker 8: But her speech, if you listen to her speech, I
Speaker 8: think actually spoke to something that a lot of people
Speaker 8: are experiencing right now. She said she felt lied to
Speaker 8: by the left, and when her dad told.
Speaker 9: Her she talked about her dad a lot.
Speaker 8: When her dad started opening up her eyes to this,
Speaker 8: she basically realized a lot of what she had believed
Speaker 8: was not true. And in a city like Milwaukee, where
Speaker 8: Republicans are really serious about eating into the margins that
Speaker 8: Democrats have had with black voters for a really long time,
Speaker 8: with that narrative in particular, you are being lied to.
Speaker 9: I don't think it was a disaster at all.
Speaker 8: I actually think that reaction to it is really really
Speaker 8: off the mark, because that's where, you know, that's where
Speaker 8: you can really sort of end the Biden campaign is
Speaker 8: if those cities like Milwaukee, Cleveland, I guess not so
Speaker 8: much Cleveland because of where Ohio is now, but Philadelphia
Speaker 8: just don't vote for him, and maybe some of them
Speaker 8: will even.
Speaker 3: Vote for Trump.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ryan, what did you think of some of that
Speaker 2: lineup and of generally where the RNC is right now?
Speaker 2: Just you know, this is our last opportunity the three
Speaker 2: of us, I guess to talk before Trump gives is
Speaker 2: Trump and JD give their vice presidential or presidential acceptance speeches.
Speaker 1: It's a much more imaginative party than Democrats are willing
Speaker 1: to be. And yes, okay, David Sachs, like like you said,
Speaker 1: gave a ton of money and and so that's you know,
Speaker 1: one route onto the stage. But he's also you know,
Speaker 1: one of these figures that's become prominent in the independent
Speaker 1: media and in the social media space, and to elevate
Speaker 1: those kinds of people. And also Amber Rose obviously that's
Speaker 1: an imaginative place for a party to go. Trump meeting
Speaker 1: with RFK Junior just just taking the meeting and talking
Speaker 1: to them shows a flexibility.
Speaker 3: And an imagination that Democrats don't have.
Speaker 1: You can't, like, can you imagine now Joe Biden sating
Speaker 1: like it's completely inconceivable, even though it would be in
Speaker 1: their interests to try it.
Speaker 3: Soccer happened.
Speaker 8: Yeah, well I was just gonna say it. Scager you
Speaker 8: know this, and Ryan you know this too. You used
Speaker 8: to go to if you used to go to Republican events, there,
Speaker 8: there was nothing more cookie cutter. I mean truly, there
Speaker 8: was nothing more cookie cutter. But even just like demographic wise,
Speaker 8: there was nothing more cookie cutter.
Speaker 9: Everybody was wearing.
Speaker 8: Elephant skirts and was like coming from a very similar background.
Speaker 8: And then they'd hold up a couple of different people
Speaker 8: in the crowd and be like, see, it's like Trump,
Speaker 8: where's my African American? But it's actually now different, Like
Speaker 8: the crowds that you see walking around places like the RNC.
Speaker 8: It is just it is not the elephant skirt crowds.
Speaker 8: It's it's a mix of that and you know, some
Speaker 8: some new people, some people who are you know, comfortable
Speaker 8: approaching things differently.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Emily, I'm curious on that point.
Speaker 1: And in twenty eight and twenty twelve, some of the
Speaker 1: most I think it's two thousand and eight, the conventions
Speaker 1: were weak week to week, like they were back to back,
Speaker 1: and I remember going from one to the other and thinking, wow,
Speaker 1: like these are legitimately two different political parties. Like you
Speaker 1: can argue that, you know, it's it's a duopoly, but
Speaker 1: just physically seeing the two of them next to each other,
Speaker 1: like these are just simply different parties. And like you said,
Speaker 1: the cookie cutter nature of the of the Republican National
Speaker 1: Convention was utterly striking. So I wish I was there
Speaker 1: this year to see it, Like are you are you
Speaker 1: seeing a slightly different Republican Party? Like it's it just
Speaker 1: looks different as you're as you're walking around.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean maybe it's the setting.
Speaker 8: I think it's feel a little bit more working class
Speaker 8: than typically you would have seen in the past at
Speaker 8: some of these events. And one big takeaway I had
Speaker 8: from yesterday. Again, like I'm from this area, spent you know,
Speaker 8: a lot a lot of time in Milwaukee. I worked
Speaker 8: in downtown Milwaukee. It was dead yesterday. You know, what
Speaker 8: you're seeing in the FI Serve Forum is start contrast
Speaker 8: with what you're seeing outside of it. There's just you know,
Speaker 8: I went out for dinner in a pretty trendy neighborhood
Speaker 8: last night and there's just nobody around because the security
Speaker 8: is so intense. So it feels like people are settling
Speaker 8: in here at the moment. And I'm curious to see
Speaker 8: how the crowds shape up in the next several days,
Speaker 8: because as of yesterday at least it was quiet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we'll see. We'll see.
Speaker 2: Emily, thank you so much for joining us. We really
Speaker 2: appreciate it, and I'm sure you'll check in more. I
Speaker 2: know the two of you guys are going to hold
Speaker 2: down the Ford on Thursday, which is incredible. Thank you
Speaker 2: for bailing this out here midst several personal crises and
Speaker 2: other personal events.
Speaker 3: Let's just put it that way.
Speaker 2: Ryan and I are going now going to interview Lieutenant
Speaker 2: Tim McMillan about some of the law enforcement failures in
Speaker 2: the attempted assassination of Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: Let's get to it.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, guys, we had some connection issues with Lieutenant Tim McMillan.
Speaker 2: But Ryan and I will do our best to break
Speaker 2: down some of the news here. Let's go and put
Speaker 2: this up there on the screen. So the first and
Speaker 2: most important news that we're dissecting together b one please, gentlemen,
Speaker 2: is that law enforcement, according to NBC News affiliate, spotted
Speaker 2: the Trump shooter some thirty minutes before the shots were fired. Now, briefly,
Speaker 2: Tim McMillan told us that he did not necessarily believe
Speaker 2: this report. But what we're reading from them is that
Speaker 2: according to Beaver County, Pennsylvania Emergency Services, they noticed quote
Speaker 2: a suspicious man on the roof near the rally at
Speaker 2: five forty five pm, called it in and took a
Speaker 2: picture of the person. Keep in mind that the shots
Speaker 2: were fired in Butler, Pennsylvania some six fifteen pm. Ryan,
Speaker 2: So if that is accurate, that means that the shooter
Speaker 2: had nearly thirty minutes on or around the rooftop before
Speaker 2: anything actually not before anything was done. Nothing was done
Speaker 2: until he actually took shots at the president. We know
Speaker 2: that there was some current. There was some confrontation moments
Speaker 2: before the shooting between local law enforcement and the shooter.
Speaker 2: But still, I mean, the details are stunning in their failure,
Speaker 2: if that's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And to bring viewers behind the curtain here, we
Speaker 1: had Tim McMillan on for about ten minutes, but his
Speaker 1: connection was just too unstable to keep going. And what
Speaker 1: he was saying there is that Yes, he said, I believe,
Speaker 1: of course that they probably did surveil him. They basically
Speaker 1: surveil everybody ahead of the event, but he was quite
Speaker 1: skeptical that they would have surveiled him with a weapon
Speaker 1: and then done nothing at all Like that just seemed
Speaker 1: too shocking even to him, despite all the glaring failures
Speaker 1: that we've seen. And I asked him about what you've
Speaker 1: heard a lot of progressive says, well, hey, Pennsylvania is
Speaker 1: an open carry state. Doesn't this make it much more
Speaker 1: difficult for the Secret Service? And he said, you know
Speaker 1: what they're they're there because they're federal officials. They're able
Speaker 1: to push the perimeter basically as far as they want,
Speaker 1: and so you can't just you know, creep right up
Speaker 1: to a presidential event, even if you're outside of it.
Speaker 3: And say hey, look, this is open carry. Secret Service
Speaker 3: has the ability to say you get out of here.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: Secret Service cannot just open fire on somebody for open
Speaker 1: carrying near an event, and they'd have to say something like, hey, look,
Speaker 1: you need to move on here. That gets to the
Speaker 1: confrontation that we know about where a local police officer
Speaker 1: who was told hey, there might be something in the roof,
Speaker 1: climbed the roof, saw him kid pointed the weapon at him,
Speaker 1: and he retreated and then immediately fired at the president.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's right. And we also have this let's put
Speaker 4: this up there on the screen.
Speaker 3: Police.
Speaker 2: This is from ABC News. One of the things that
Speaker 2: they talk about here is that the local police Ryan
Speaker 2: allegedly were inside of the shooter building. According to the
Speaker 2: United States Secret Service, the detail is that the cops
Speaker 2: actually were in side along with some other members of
Speaker 2: a counter sniper team, just compounding some of the failure.
Speaker 2: The implication Ryan is that the building was not quote
Speaker 2: secured because the police were inside of it, whereas the
Speaker 2: rooftop itself is somehow not under surveillance. That was I mean,
Speaker 2: I listen, I mean that might be actually one of
Speaker 2: the most stunning parts.
Speaker 3: Of all if what this checks out.
Speaker 4: And this is again according to the United States Secret Service.
Speaker 1: And if you are those officers, your job is also
Speaker 1: to block access to being able to get on top.
Speaker 3: Of the building.
Speaker 1: But let's remember what was it like in Pennsylvania that day.
Speaker 1: It was insanely hot. I wonder if some of these
Speaker 1: officers were like, you know what, God, it's brutal out here.
Speaker 1: I'm dying out here. Trump late getting on the stage.
Speaker 1: What's the worst thing that could happen? I'm going inside.
Speaker 1: This is crushing me.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: I guarantee you that cops and other workers in US workforces,
Speaker 1: including myself, have done that kind of thing for centuries.
Speaker 3: Hey, the boss isn't looking. It's so human.
Speaker 2: We can understand it, I think, to a certain extent.
Speaker 2: Can we forgive it in this instance? Probably not.
Speaker 3: If this is the worst can happen.
Speaker 6: It happened.
Speaker 3: Well, actually the worst didn't happen, right, but near what
Speaker 3: really happened? Yeah, near the worst.
Speaker 2: I mean, Look, this is again why it's so extraordinary
Speaker 2: is this is the first time a bullet has touched
Speaker 2: a president or foreign president since Ronald Reagan, so it's
Speaker 2: been forty one years. This is the biggest failure since
Speaker 2: that Reagan shooting, and then honestly, in this case, I
Speaker 2: think it actually might be a bigger failure because this
Speaker 2: was counter to procedure, Whereas at that time, you know,
Speaker 2: things were crazy in the seventies and eighties where somehow
Speaker 2: you could just get very close.
Speaker 3: To a president with a gun, which is nuts.
Speaker 2: I mean, when we compare like gerald Ford and Reagan
Speaker 2: and all this, it wasn't even counter to their procedure
Speaker 2: per se. Here they explicitly are supposed to do X,
Speaker 2: Y and Z at the most basic level, and it
Speaker 2: was a failure of that mission that led then to
Speaker 2: the attempted assassination. Put this up there on the screen again,
Speaker 2: just to go over the shooting. The site line. What
Speaker 2: again is that you can see that building that we're
Speaker 2: talking for those who are watching, some one hundred and
Speaker 2: thirty six yards away from where the president was speaking,
Speaker 2: and you can see that that building allegedly is where
Speaker 2: the staging ground for some of these local officers would be.
Speaker 2: And intuitively makes sense whenever you take a look at this,
Speaker 2: because you have the rally area on the right where
Speaker 2: the stage is, and then it would make sense also
Speaker 2: that local police and staging areas, the so called middle
Speaker 2: tier of the security perimeter would be right there. Let's
Speaker 2: go to the next part. Please just to continue breaking
Speaker 2: some of this down, because this is the image we
Speaker 2: showed everyone yesterday in color and also with the rally
Speaker 2: set up. There where the building there on the left
Speaker 2: some one hundred and thirty six yards away from the
Speaker 2: president was exactly where that body of the shooter was found. Also,
Speaker 2: just so everybody knows in terms of the investigation, now
Speaker 2: for what we have, we can continue to not know
Speaker 2: very much according to the authorities from about this shooter,
Speaker 2: Thomas Matthews crooks. So far, they're saying he has no
Speaker 2: Internet presence. They were able to get access, I believe,
Speaker 2: to his cell phone. But the access to his cell
Speaker 2: phone apparently did not gleam any insight into his motive. Now,
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people are saying, well, is
Speaker 2: obviously his motive was to kill Trump? Yeah, we know,
Speaker 2: but why for what possible reason? Was he a crank?
Speaker 2: Was he a suicide by cop? Was he looking for attention?
Speaker 2: I mean, nobody is particularly mentally stable in this. But
Speaker 2: I have to be honest Ryan and saying that I
Speaker 2: have a lot of eyebrows raised so far because I'm
Speaker 2: seeing I honestly feel very much like I did after
Speaker 2: the Las Vegas shooting, where you had this horrible massacre
Speaker 2: Stephen Paddock shooting from the Mandalay Bay Hotel. All of
Speaker 2: these people are dead and all of the details are crazy.
Speaker 2: You know, Oh, he just miraculously he's able to, you know,
Speaker 2: bring all these guns up into his hotel room. He
Speaker 2: was able to fire for a sustained period of time.
Speaker 2: He's killed, and then basically we don't hear about it anymore.
Speaker 2: The FBI is like, yep, we never know why he
Speaker 2: just did it. So there was speculation about health condition,
Speaker 2: he had large sums of money. Everything about it is weird.
Speaker 2: And I'm starting to get a very similar feeling to this.
Speaker 2: And there's still so many unanswered questions about Las Vegas,
Speaker 2: and it appears that is the direction that we are
Speaker 2: heading in right now.
Speaker 3: And basically they had one roof.
Speaker 1: It's not as if, I know, you had a ton
Speaker 1: of buildings that you had to secure, it's that one roof.
Speaker 3: Now, maybe we find out that it's.
Speaker 1: As simple as there were officers that were supposed to
Speaker 1: be outside of there, and they got lazy and they
Speaker 1: walked inside because the sun was beating down on them
Speaker 1: and they didn't think anything would happen. What I also
Speaker 1: don't understand, though, is Okay, I understand, maybe not agree,
Speaker 1: but I understand why. All right, the counter sniper sees
Speaker 1: the sniper and has them in his sights and is
Speaker 1: asking for permission to fire and is being told no,
Speaker 1: because the argument was, well, what if it's somebody with
Speaker 1: a telescope, you don't want to just you know, you
Speaker 1: don't kill an innocent person just looking through a telescope.
Speaker 3: But why not take Trump off the stage at that moment?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: Why not take him down underneath the podium, Like that's
Speaker 1: not that big of a deal. The rally can go on,
Speaker 1: and then you and then you sort out what the
Speaker 1: problem is the.
Speaker 3: Resistance. The decision not to do that is the one
Speaker 3: that is just to me just unforgivable, not only unforgivable rhyme.
Speaker 2: But if we have the situation where he's not taken
Speaker 2: off the stage, where the law enforcement appears to know
Speaker 2: who he is for thirty minutes they're underneath the building,
Speaker 2: and then let's not forget the heroic members of the
Speaker 2: audience who are consistently shouting at these politig he's on
Speaker 2: the roof, he has a gun, and nothing is being done.
Speaker 2: Presumably these gentlemen inside of a building would have gotten
Speaker 2: the heads up about that somebody's going to go do something.
Speaker 2: And what we know is that there there was only
Speaker 2: one police officer at least that we know so far,
Speaker 2: who's able to confront this individual. And when he confronts
Speaker 2: this individual, he actually retreats down the ladder after he's
Speaker 2: the gun is pointed at him, and in that moment
Speaker 2: of retreat is when the shots are fired at Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: And only by the grace of God literally by turning
Speaker 2: his head slightly at that moment, do we avoid a
Speaker 2: not only an assassination on live television, but consider you know,
Speaker 2: even more of what like we're talking about a literal
Speaker 2: head explosion in high definition in the twenty first century.
Speaker 2: This is not you know, this appruder film this It
Speaker 2: would be oh my god, I can't even begin to imagine.
Speaker 1: And if you piece those things together, in some ways,
Speaker 1: it feels to me like like his crowd actually saved
Speaker 1: his life, because you know, by forcing that cop to
Speaker 1: go up there, that pushed the guy to shoot much faster.
Speaker 1: Like the reporting that we're getting is that, you know,
Speaker 1: he pointed the gun at the cop, the cop retreated
Speaker 1: and then immediately he fired at Trump, which means that
Speaker 1: he had probably less time than he would have liked
Speaker 1: to set and aim and then fire. And so then
Speaker 1: he quickly took his shots and missed. And you're right,
Speaker 1: like there was a turn of the head and the
Speaker 1: other other things that statement. Well, but I think the
Speaker 1: audience intervening made it a more difficult shot for the shooter.
Speaker 1: So the shooter missing is the thing to save Trump
Speaker 1: and to the extent that the crowd participated in that,
Speaker 1: you know, Trump, Trump needs to give some gratitude to
Speaker 1: his people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly, let's go to the next part here and
Speaker 2: put this up there on the screen again, just continuing
Speaker 2: some of the details that we know about that local
Speaker 2: police officer. You can see we have it tied, we
Speaker 2: have it cut out the exact quote, and that really
Speaker 2: does raise again quite a bit of questions about this
Speaker 2: police officer who retreats down the ladder shoots, you know,
Speaker 2: towards the former president. And that is when the Secret
Speaker 2: Service counter snipers some one hundred and thirty six yards away.
Speaker 2: They have to come in and neutralize the suspect before
Speaker 2: or he eventually is you know, the rooftop is then
Speaker 2: secured by some of the police. So still lots of
Speaker 2: questions that remain here about what happened and some very
Speaker 2: very troubling details. All right, let's get to the polling section.
Speaker 2: Let's begin here with the New York Times some stunning
Speaker 2: new data. They are saying two likely voter screenens in
Speaker 2: critical states, Pennsylvania and Virginia. So if the twenty twenty
Speaker 2: four election were held today, who would you vote for
Speaker 2: if the candidates were Joe Biden and Donald Trump. Pennsylvania
Speaker 2: is forty eight percent Trump, Joe Biden at forty five,
Speaker 2: and Biden at a stunning just forty eight percent to
Speaker 2: forty five.
Speaker 4: In the state of Virginia. Virginia here all eyes.
Speaker 2: In fact, Glenn Youngin was considered a possible vice presidential
Speaker 2: pick at the last minute by Donald Trump, specifically because
Speaker 2: of the current nature of the race. Ryan and much
Speaker 2: of the data that we have here shows Trump running
Speaker 2: some seven eight points ahead of where he ended up
Speaker 2: in the twenty twenty election whenever he did run in Virginia.
Speaker 2: So the political dynamics here of Biden's consequence to stay
Speaker 2: in the race are really stunning in terms of how
Speaker 2: they are turning not even purple states frankly, but previously
Speaker 2: considered light blue into literally on the map and possibly
Speaker 2: in play.
Speaker 3: What do you make of all of this?
Speaker 1: It's what you would have expected, you know, coming out
Speaker 1: of the Bay performance that we saw like this is
Speaker 1: this is what it looks like when the bottom is
Speaker 1: falling out. You know, we had we had Dimitri Melhorne,
Speaker 1: the Democratic megadonnan advisor on the on the show That's Friday,
Speaker 1: who's arguing that, Look, if you look at you know,
Speaker 1: ABC's five thirty eight, not that Nate Silver one, but
Speaker 1: five thirty eight, that it's still you know, nationally pretty
Speaker 1: much within the margin of error. But that's the last
Speaker 1: thing that Democrats can cling to, you know, real clear politics.
Speaker 1: Actually Nate Silver's himself, all the other polling averages have
Speaker 1: it spreading widely away from the margin of era.
Speaker 3: But when you drill.
Speaker 1: Down into the swing states, Trump is just you know,
Speaker 1: dominant in them, and dominant in a way that we
Speaker 1: haven't seen either party be you know in a you know,
Speaker 1: amst maybe almost twenty years or something.
Speaker 3: Maybe you have to go back to Barack Obama.
Speaker 1: Twenty twelve towards the very end, but even that was
Speaker 1: ended up being a pretty close election because the parties
Speaker 1: are so closely divided here. You know, these are significant leads,
Speaker 1: you know, given that context.
Speaker 2: Yes, let's go ahea and put this up there on
Speaker 2: the screen and continue with some of the polling data
Speaker 2: that we have, because if we dig down, you can
Speaker 2: actually see how Biden and Harris also fare against Trump.
Speaker 2: So what do you make of this matchup against Kamala Harris.
Speaker 2: She's running ahead of Trump in the state of Virginia,
Speaker 2: are running ahead of Biden, I apologize, at forty nine
Speaker 2: to forty four in the state of Virginia, whereas Biden
Speaker 2: is just at forty eight to forty five in Pennsylvania. However,
Speaker 2: she is also running some two points ahead of Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: So it is pretty clear that, you know, in a
Speaker 2: normal race, a normal Democrat could be relatively competitive against
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, even somebody is not as politically talented as
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris. But Biden's decision to stay in the race
Speaker 2: is actively dragging down the ticket.
Speaker 4: If we're looking at something like this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Kamala Harris like, like you said, she's not
Speaker 1: a terribly well liked kind of Democratic candidate. She's she's
Speaker 1: not you know, she's not even in the kind of
Speaker 1: you know, Gavin Newsom, Gretchen whit Murder a tear And
Speaker 1: so when you put her in there and compare her
Speaker 1: to Biden and see that even she significantly outporn outperforms Biden,
Speaker 1: it really tells you how much of a drag he
Speaker 1: is in the ticket. You can also look at, you know,
Speaker 1: Biden in comparison to senate Democrats across the map. You
Speaker 1: look at Tammy Baldwin, you know, who's up five or
Speaker 1: six points on her GOP opponent, He's down five or
Speaker 1: six points. Like we haven't really seen gaps like that
Speaker 1: since like the nineteen seventies when you had like favor
Speaker 1: Sun senators who were just massively popular.
Speaker 3: But the great Democrats were never going to win in
Speaker 3: the map.
Speaker 1: Since then, you know, in the last ten years, it's
Speaker 1: been you know, within a point or two, and often
Speaker 1: with the presidential candidate being the one that's one or
Speaker 1: two points ahead, the idea that you know, you're trailing
Speaker 1: ten twelve points behind you know fairly, you know generics
Speaker 1: senate Democratic candidates, you know, shows you how much weight
Speaker 1: there is wrapped around his feet.
Speaker 2: Yes, let's continue here with some of the New York
Speaker 2: Times data about how they want him to drop out.
Speaker 2: Next part, Please, do you think that Biden should remain
Speaker 2: the Democratic nominee? Only forty eight percent of Pennsylvania Democrats
Speaker 2: saying yes, forty six percent saying he should drop out.
Speaker 2: But look at the Virginia number, Ryan, fifty eight percent
Speaker 2: of Democrats in Virginia saying that Biden should drop out.
Speaker 2: Probably explained. I saw by the fact that people like
Speaker 2: you and me live here around the DMV and we.
Speaker 3: Follow politics very closely.
Speaker 2: So I swear it's kind of like our our native
Speaker 2: our hometown business. This is literally the economy, especially Democrats
Speaker 2: in Virginia, you know, disproportionately going to be in northern Virginia.
Speaker 2: Those people they all work at the Pentagon, they work
Speaker 2: in consulting, they work for the government. I mean, these
Speaker 2: are people who live and breathe politics, so they, if anything,
Speaker 2: the people who know Biden the most and also follow
Speaker 2: politics the closest, they're like, hey, he needs to go,
Speaker 2: like right now.
Speaker 3: I found that pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Virginia Democrat in general, you could pull one off
Speaker 1: the voter file and put them onto this show, and
Speaker 1: you know they just as fluent in national politics as
Speaker 1: we would.
Speaker 3: So yes, I think that's exactly right. They've seen that.
Speaker 1: And also they're aware of the polling comparisons, like they're
Speaker 1: just they're just purely pragmatic.
Speaker 3: They're like, who is going to beat Trump?
Speaker 1: And right now they're looking at it like glass show
Speaker 1: is not the one that we're putting up against Trump.
Speaker 3: At this moment.
Speaker 2: And sticking also sticking with what you were talking about,
Speaker 2: we have more data on this point, if we can
Speaker 2: continue and put this there here. We have a new
Speaker 2: general election poll from you Gov. We have Arizona, Georgia, Michigan,
Speaker 2: North Carolina, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin. Trump is leading literally in
Speaker 2: every single state. Okay, this is every single state. Trump
Speaker 2: is up by a minimum of two and a maximum
Speaker 2: of seven in the state of Arizona. We're talking about
Speaker 2: blowout victory here in every single battleground. But go to
Speaker 2: the next one and you'll see how much Joe Biden
Speaker 2: is dragging down the ticket. In the very same poll,
Speaker 2: Ryan Ruben Diego is up by eight points, So that's
Speaker 2: what a fifteen point swing at least slock In up nine.
Speaker 3: Nevada, Jackie Rosen.
Speaker 2: Up seven, Bob Casey is up twelve, Tammy Baldwin is
Speaker 2: up by seven, and we're looking at an almost ten
Speaker 2: to twenty point swing in some cases against Donald Trump
Speaker 2: for the Democratic normal Senate candidate, which just reveals how
Speaker 2: much Biden is sinking this ticket to the bottom.
Speaker 1: These are all states where the Democratic Party is basically
Speaker 1: kind of won the argument against trump Ism, Like these
Speaker 1: were very close states in Arizona and Georgia were more
Speaker 1: Republican states very recently, but they've all trended towards Democrats
Speaker 1: in recent year, in recent years to the point where
Speaker 1: you know, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, you know you're seeing legislative takeovers,
Speaker 1: you know, gubernatorial takeovers Wisconsin and Michigan enacting like Democrat
Speaker 1: enacting the Democratic agenda, not even like fighting out with
Speaker 1: with like split legislatures or grappling with Republicans there. And
Speaker 1: yet it's like a throwback, like wait a minute, now,
Speaker 1: Republicans are winning every single one of these states, and
Speaker 1: it is as simple as Joe Biden, and as he
Speaker 1: showed on Lester, a whole the news cycle can move
Speaker 1: on and focused on something else, but that doesn't bring
Speaker 1: Joe Biden's brain back to life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're very very correct there.
Speaker 2: I think that's just where we'll end it as well
Speaker 2: too with this last observation and put it up there
Speaker 2: on the screen, is that just thirty three percent of
Speaker 2: Democrats are currently satisfied with their party's presidential nominee versus
Speaker 2: some seventy one percent of GOP voters. So the enthusiasm
Speaker 2: gap here is just absolutely unbelievable. Ryan, to have only
Speaker 2: thirty three percent and sixty two percent of Democrats this
Speaker 2: far into the race. We're talking about the actual general
Speaker 2: election season now, who are like, Yeah, I don't want
Speaker 2: Joe Biden to be the nominee. It's just devastating for him,
Speaker 2: and he is showing us no signs he's going anywhere.
Speaker 2: Biden gave us series of interviews over the last twenty
Speaker 2: four hours that have been published. First and foremost was
Speaker 2: with Lester Holt, like you said, over at NBC News,
Speaker 2: and he is directly confronted about his age, about looking confused,
Speaker 2: and he is holding on for dear life, let's take
Speaker 2: a listen.
Speaker 10: I guess the question is, are you all on the
Speaker 10: same page of the work? Are you seeing what they saw?
Speaker 10: Which was moments of frankly to be you've appeared to
Speaker 10: be confused, Lester.
Speaker 11: Look, why don't you guys ever talk about the eighteen
Speaker 11: twenty eight.
Speaker 6: Lies he told?
Speaker 11: Where are you on this? Why did the press ever
Speaker 11: talk about that? Twenty eight times? It's confirmed he lied
Speaker 11: in that debate. I had a bad, bad night. I
Speaker 11: wasn't feeling well at all. Man, I had been without
Speaker 11: him making it. I screwed up.
Speaker 10: But I just asked the question because the idea that
Speaker 10: you may or may not have seen what some of
Speaker 10: these other folks have seen. You're not on the same line, I.
Speaker 3: Have to say I was there.
Speaker 12: I just see it.
Speaker 3: I was there.
Speaker 11: By the way, seriously, you won't answer the question, but
Speaker 11: why did the press talk about all the lies?
Speaker 3: He told?
Speaker 12: I didn't read it about that.
Speaker 10: We have reported many of the issues that you have
Speaker 10: that debate.
Speaker 3: No you haven't.
Speaker 10: It will provide you with them.
Speaker 12: Oh God love you.
Speaker 10: Okay, who do you listen to on deeply personally issues
Speaker 10: like the decisions whether to stay in the razor or
Speaker 10: not me?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, First of all, we've talked about this before.
Speaker 2: Democrats are so great in this with it. But he
Speaker 2: lied twenty eight times. I'm like, oh, not twenty six,
Speaker 2: twenty eight, not thirty, not thirty two.
Speaker 4: Where do they even get these numbers from it?
Speaker 1: Like why won't the press talk about Trump's live It's
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, Like PRES's been talking about that for
Speaker 1: eight years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Also nobody cares. But that last question, Ryan, that
Speaker 2: last answer, what did you make of that man? He
Speaker 2: is the only person he keeps saying it, the Lord
Speaker 2: Almighty himself.
Speaker 3: The number of.
Speaker 1: Pieces of kind of Trump attire that he's adorning himself
Speaker 1: with is just incredible.
Speaker 3: So I alone can fix it, becomes me.
Speaker 1: At his Michigan rally, you had the crowd chanting lock
Speaker 1: him up and booing the press corps. It's utterly incredible
Speaker 1: to watch this transformation of and out of this kind
Speaker 1: of this fear and shock that the man that they
Speaker 1: thought they had vanquished not only might be coming back
Speaker 1: but really looks like it's quite plausibly coming back to
Speaker 1: becoming president. It's just, you know, the brain breaking that
Speaker 1: we saw during the first Trump administration is now looking
Speaker 1: mild compared to what we're seeing here.
Speaker 2: He also Ryan went off a little I'm curious what
Speaker 2: you think of this too, because I've been kind of
Speaker 2: annoyed about this rhetoric about how everyone's like, oh, we
Speaker 2: need to tone the rhetoric down, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean conceptually, but also we can criticize each other
Speaker 2: and that's fine. And if you say put Trump in
Speaker 2: the bulls eye, I'm like, I don't think that you
Speaker 2: were targeting in for assassination in the same way that
Speaker 2: I don't think that Sarah Palin was targeting Gabby Gifferin's
Speaker 2: it's ridiculous. But Biden actually seemed to accept that frame.
Speaker 2: He was asked about the rhetoric in the interview and
Speaker 2: he said it was actually a mistake to say to
Speaker 2: put Trump in the bullseye.
Speaker 3: Take a listen to that answer.
Speaker 10: Well, let's talk about the conversation this has started, and
Speaker 10: it's really about language, what we say out loud, and
Speaker 10: the consequences of those You called your opponent an existential
Speaker 10: threat on a call a week ago. You said it's
Speaker 10: time to put Trump in the bullseye. There's some dispute
Speaker 10: about the context. But I think you appreciate I did
Speaker 10: say crosshairs.
Speaker 12: I was talking about focus on.
Speaker 11: Look, the truth of the matter was, well, I guess
Speaker 11: I was talking about as the time was, there's very
Speaker 11: little focus.
Speaker 12: On Trump's Yeah, the term is bullseye was a mistake
Speaker 12: to youse. I didn't.
Speaker 11: I didn't say crosshairs, bullsey I'm going to focus on him,
Speaker 11: Focus on what he's doing, Focus on on his policies,
Speaker 11: focus on the number of lies he told in the debate,
Speaker 11: focus on I mean, there's there's a whole range of
Speaker 11: things that Look, I'm not the guy that said I
Speaker 11: want to be a dictator on day one. I'm not
Speaker 11: the guy that refused to accept the outcome of the election.
Speaker 11: I'm not the guy who said that one accept the
Speaker 11: outcome of this election automatically. You can't only love your
Speaker 11: country when you win. And so the focus was on
Speaker 11: what he's saying, and I mean the idea.
Speaker 10: But have you taken a step back and done a
Speaker 10: little soul searching on things that you may have said
Speaker 10: that could incite people who are not balanced.
Speaker 12: Well, I don't think.
Speaker 11: Look, how do you talk about the threat to democracy,
Speaker 11: which is real when a President says things like he says,
Speaker 11: do you just not say Anthim?
Speaker 12: He's a man insite somebody. Look, I.
Speaker 11: Have not engaged in that rhetoric. Now my opponent's engaged
Speaker 11: in that rhetoric. He talks about to be a bloodbat
Speaker 11: if he loses, talking about how he's going to forgive
Speaker 11: all the Actually, I guess suspend the sentences of all
Speaker 11: those who were arrested and sentenced to go to jail
Speaker 11: because of what happened in the capitol. I'm not out
Speaker 11: there making fun of like I remember the picture of
Speaker 11: Donald Trump when Nancy Pelosi's husband hip with the hammer
Speaker 11: going talking about joking about it.
Speaker 3: So what do you make of that? Ryan?
Speaker 2: This is part of why it's annoying me on Biden,
Speaker 2: the two facedness of it. I think it's fine to
Speaker 2: engage in normal political rhetoric and criticize one another.
Speaker 3: It's an election.
Speaker 2: We have massive differences between these two parties. But then
Speaker 2: he's also speaking a little bit out of the out
Speaker 2: of the side of his mouth.
Speaker 3: What do you think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he kind of apologized for the bullseye at first,
Speaker 1: and then he sort of seemed to be apologizing for
Speaker 1: not saying crosshairs, which which is the more accurate phrase
Speaker 1: than bullseye there, but then by the end of it
Speaker 1: he was defending it, and I think by the end
Speaker 1: of it that's where you and I both agree with him.
Speaker 1: That actually, look, yeah, if you think these things about
Speaker 1: your opponent, then say the things. It's also it's also
Speaker 1: absurd to think think that the Gabby Giffords shooter looked
Speaker 1: at an ad that Sarah Palin had put out and
Speaker 1: was like, Aha, that's interesting, I'm gonna go kill the
Speaker 1: Gabby Giffords. Yes, And it's also crazy that this twenty
Speaker 1: year old was just like sitting around and like read
Speaker 1: a Wall Street Journal leaf of like a private donor
Speaker 1: call that Biden had where he used the phrase bulls
Speaker 1: eye and was like, oh, wait, Trump's coming here in
Speaker 1: a couple of days. I'm going to climb up on
Speaker 1: the roof and put a bulls eye on him.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like, that's that's just absolutely absurd.
Speaker 1: Now, Like, does like the the you know, the political
Speaker 1: heat that has turned up to eleven, you know, make
Speaker 1: violence more likely.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's that that's.
Speaker 1: Obvious, But you're not turning that down by just policing
Speaker 1: a little bit of kind of rhetoric here.
Speaker 3: It's it's much more structural and fundamental than that.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I've always believed that, you know, people say
Speaker 2: this all the time.
Speaker 3: They're like, oh, your rhetoric is encouraging.
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, unless you literally said to go and
Speaker 2: commit violence, I don't believe that people have agency and
Speaker 2: individual responsibility for their actions. How many times have people
Speaker 2: accused us of saying like, oh, you guys have anti
Speaker 2: semites in your comments. What am I supposed to do
Speaker 2: about that? I'm controlling the comments section. It's a free country,
Speaker 2: last time I checked. I don't agree with it, wish
Speaker 2: you wouldn't say it, but I'm not gonna be like, oh,
Speaker 2: you gotta ban him or some guilt by association bullshit.
Speaker 2: And we say that all the time too. There's no
Speaker 2: control who over here, you know, by the way, to
Speaker 2: those people don't watch it all right, you don't get
Speaker 2: rid of I don't care get lost. But even with that,
Speaker 2: you know, the guilt by association connection is a top
Speaker 2: tried and true media tactic. And actually that's a good
Speaker 2: segue because I definitely wanted to get your reaction to
Speaker 2: this one. Biden, for some reason sat with the complex
Speaker 2: YouTube channel and was asked about Israel. Is always funny
Speaker 2: to Presidential candidates often reveal the most with interviewers who
Speaker 2: give them tons of rope to hang themselves because there's
Speaker 2: no pushback or anything, and then they say some of
Speaker 2: the craziest stuff.
Speaker 4: So let's take a listen to what he had to say.
Speaker 13: And support for Israel has been unwavering. During the debate.
Speaker 13: You said that we are the biggest producer of support
Speaker 13: for Israel of anyone in the world. You also said
Speaker 13: that we're providing Israel with all the weapons they need
Speaker 13: and when they need them. Back in April, twenty six
Speaker 13: billion dollars in aid was sent or was it proved
Speaker 13: to be sent to Israel?
Speaker 12: Why I said defensive weapons.
Speaker 11: I denied them offensive weapons that are using two thousand
Speaker 11: pound bombs and the rest because I made it real
Speaker 11: clear they cannot use weapons that we provide them to
Speaker 11: in fact use in civilian areas.
Speaker 12: And that's why I put together this plan.
Speaker 13: My question, though, is why is your end United States
Speaker 13: at the current moments support for Israel so strong.
Speaker 12: Look Israel.
Speaker 11: If there weren't in Israel, every Jew in the world
Speaker 11: be at risk, Every Jew in the world be at risk,
Speaker 11: and so there's a need for it to be strong,
Speaker 11: the need for Israel to be able to have after
Speaker 11: World War two thesly the ability for Jews to have
Speaker 11: a place that was their own where you don't have
Speaker 11: to be a Jew to be a Zionist. And the
Speaker 11: Zionist is about whether or not Israel is a safe
Speaker 11: haven for Jews because of their history of how they've
Speaker 11: been persecuted.
Speaker 13: Are you a Zionist?
Speaker 12: Yes?
Speaker 11: Now, now you'll be able to make a lot out
Speaker 11: of that because people don't know the Zionists.
Speaker 12: Do you know what the Zionis is?
Speaker 3: I just asked questions out a way answer.
Speaker 11: By the way, I'm the guy who did more for
Speaker 11: the Palestinian community anybody. I'm the guy that opened up
Speaker 11: all the assets. I'm the guy that made that sure
Speaker 11: that I got the Egyptians opened the border to let
Speaker 11: good goods to medicine and food. And but what's happening
Speaker 11: is and I'm the guy who's been able to pull
Speaker 11: together the Arab States to help agree to help the
Speaker 11: Palestinians with food and shelter, and so it's not I
Speaker 11: mean I have been I have been very supportive of
Speaker 11: the Palestinians.
Speaker 12: But Hamas are a bunch of thugs.
Speaker 11: Hamas is not worthy to I was over there about
Speaker 11: eight days after the massacre, saw photographs of mothers and
Speaker 11: daughters being tied in a rope together, the kerosene point
Speaker 11: of the head and the burn to death. Nothing's happened
Speaker 11: like that since the Holocaust, and it's just not appropriate.
Speaker 13: By the measure of your support for Israel, Why would
Speaker 13: a Muslim or an Arab American vote for you for
Speaker 13: real life?
Speaker 11: The same reason why Arab Americans and the region support me.
Speaker 11: The same reason why. Because it's the best way to
Speaker 11: keep peace, the best way to put things together, to
Speaker 11: make sure that there is a two state solution in
Speaker 11: the region. And I've been a strong supporter of that,
Speaker 11: and everything I've done has been I've gotten significant support
Speaker 11: from Arab countries in the region.
Speaker 12: Well.
Speaker 11: For Look, the idea here is that, for example, I
Speaker 11: got a call from the Saudiast they want to fully
Speaker 11: recognize Israel in return if the United States will give
Speaker 11: them a guarantee that they will provide weapons if they're
Speaker 11: attacked by other Arab nation, that the one just around
Speaker 11: the corner, and that we'd allow them to we would
Speaker 11: put a civilian nuclear facility there, we'd operate, our military,
Speaker 11: we'd operated, so they can move away from fossil fuels.
Speaker 11: That's a big game changer in the whole region. I've
Speaker 11: worked with Alcesi of Egypt, I've worked with the King
Speaker 11: of Jordan as a friend. So I've been able to
Speaker 11: work with the Arab countries very well. And I don't
Speaker 11: have a prejudice bone in my body.
Speaker 12: The Arabs are good people. They need help now.
Speaker 3: All right, So what'd you make of that?
Speaker 6: Ryan?
Speaker 2: He's done more for the Palestinians than everybody and out
Speaker 2: of jew in the world, be safe.
Speaker 3: That's one of his favorite lines, isn't it?
Speaker 1: He often and he often uses that line, and you
Speaker 1: often hear people saying, like, we have six seven million
Speaker 1: Jewish Americans here, isn't it your job as president to
Speaker 1: make sure that they're safe? Like you're you're just going
Speaker 1: to completely outsource that. It's it's a it's an atrocious
Speaker 1: way to think, you and you can't imagine it working
Speaker 1: Like I mean, it falls apart just on its own.
Speaker 1: You don't even need to compare it uh to to
Speaker 1: anything else. But you know, if it is true that
Speaker 1: he's done more for Palestinians than anybody else in the world.
Speaker 1: Then you know, you really have to fear for the
Speaker 1: Palestinians that things have not gone well for them there.
Speaker 1: At the same same time, what he's talking about is,
Speaker 1: you know, putting pressure on Israel to allow more aid in.
Speaker 3: But since the.
Speaker 1: Invasion of rafa Uh, the already insufficient aid has collapsed,
Speaker 1: you know, close to zero up, and the situation has
Speaker 1: only gotten that much dire And meanwhile it has just
Speaker 1: completely fallen off a cliff when it comes to at
Speaker 1: least American attention.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is also interesting to me about beyond the policy.
Speaker 2: Just notice how quiet he is when he talks. You
Speaker 2: can see the age is just shining through. It's funny
Speaker 2: because in his head he thinks he's doing everybody a
Speaker 2: favor through these press conferences and these interviews, and it's
Speaker 2: like nobody disputes your ability to ramble and rattle off facts.
Speaker 2: It's that while you're doing that, it's like you're whispering constantly.
Speaker 2: The coughing, the stutters, the confusion about what is happening.
Speaker 2: These aren't an ideal environment. That's as good as it
Speaker 2: gets for a presidential interview. Just so people know, zero pushback,
Speaker 2: zero interview. You know, basically no offense to the guy.
Speaker 2: But I'm not one hundred percent sur he really even
Speaker 2: knew what he was talking about there whenever he's pressing
Speaker 2: him on some of the issues, and so even in
Speaker 2: that Biden is showing lots of issues. Final thing on
Speaker 2: the Democratic point, let's put this up there on the screen,
Speaker 2: is that Nancy Pelosi is apparently making calls and working
Speaker 2: the phone to try and find a way to ease
Speaker 2: him off of the ticket. She quote told by people
Speaker 2: familiar with the exchangency of stage managed phone call. Sir
Speaker 2: Jeffreys plotted strategies some of the biggest names in democratic
Speaker 2: politics and told a former elected official blunt leave Biden's
Speaker 2: legacy can't be destroying their party. So final thoughts, Ryan,
Speaker 2: what do you think of this? Will it be successful?
Speaker 2: I don't really think so, but it does give some
Speaker 2: color to the interview she gave where she opened the
Speaker 2: space to get rid of Biden.
Speaker 1: Right, She's working it hard and she's still very powerful.
Speaker 1: Stan Greenberg an ally of hers. It was reported by
Speaker 1: this good CNN report that Stan Greenberg has been pulling
Speaker 1: his hair out, trying to get is a D triple
Speaker 1: C polster like you know, centrist like the establishment figure
Speaker 1: and good standing. He has all of the analysis of
Speaker 1: why by and can't win and why they need to
Speaker 1: replace them that he's just trying to He's just trying
Speaker 1: to puncture the bubble of Biden's inner circle, and the
Speaker 1: rhetoric is turning to and the strategy is turning to
Speaker 1: reminding his in the inner circle.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: You know that they are complicit in this and that
Speaker 1: if they continue pushes forward, they're going to pay a
Speaker 1: price as well. Biden won't have much of a price
Speaker 1: to pay, you know, his well we'll see how long
Speaker 1: he has to pay that price. But his aids, many
Speaker 1: of them you want to work in Democratic Party politics,
Speaker 1: you know the rest of their careers and people are there,
Speaker 1: they're being reminded, you know, they're putting that in jeopardy.
Speaker 4: Yes, well, all right, we'll see, Uh.
Speaker 2: Programming note, guys, just scheduling wise, We're going to go
Speaker 2: ahead and get to our interview with Bradley Moss. Don't worry,
Speaker 2: you won't be hard up for RFK news, as Emily
Speaker 2: is literally sitting down with him today for an interview,
Speaker 2: So we will have that interview emailed out to all
Speaker 2: of our premium subscribers and uploaded to our channel. So
Speaker 2: RFK News being tabled on this story. Uh, the the
Speaker 2: RFK news for this story be tabled, but she will
Speaker 2: be doing that interviewing. We'll bring it to everybody else.
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and get to the documents. Turning now
Speaker 2: to the document's dismissal, we have Brad MOS's friend of
Speaker 2: the show joining us. Good to see you man, Thank.
Speaker 3: You for coming.
Speaker 6: Absolutely good more.
Speaker 2: Absolutely Okay, So let's talk about this dismissal and just
Speaker 2: explain the basics of what's happening here. Let's put this
Speaker 2: up there on the screen. The judge, Florida Judge Eileen
Speaker 2: Cannon has dismissed the Trump Classified Documents case on the
Speaker 2: grounds that Special Counsels Jack Smith's office, according to her,
Speaker 2: is unconstitutional. Can you give us the legal rationale for
Speaker 2: the judge's decision and some of the background that led
Speaker 2: to this dismissal.
Speaker 6: Sure, So this is a strictly procedural issue.
Speaker 14: None of this has to deal with the merits of
Speaker 14: what was alleged against Donald Trump or his code of fendants.
Speaker 14: The premise of the challenge was that the Office of
Speaker 14: Special Counsel the appointment of Jack Smith, is not permissible
Speaker 14: in its current structure on under what are called the
Speaker 14: appointment's clause and the appropriation's.
Speaker 6: Clauses in the US Constitution.
Speaker 14: The basic idea is that Jack Smith is not a
Speaker 14: proper inferior officer, as it's termed. He's too independent from
Speaker 14: Merrick Garland and Joe Biden, He's not properly placed in
Speaker 14: that position, and that Congress did not delegate to the
Speaker 14: Justice Department the ability to create this position and put
Speaker 14: Jack Smith there. It's not concluding that the Just Department
Speaker 14: otherwise couldn't have brought this case. It's simply saying Jack
Speaker 14: Smith's and Jack Smith's office is not permissible under these
Speaker 14: constitutional provisions. It had to been brought by the Justice
Speaker 14: Department or through a proper legislative appointment. It can't be
Speaker 14: done this way, and the funding he was relying upon
Speaker 14: is impermissible. This ruling flies in the face of twenty
Speaker 14: years of institutional president and case law, flies in the
Speaker 14: face of what came out of the Mueller cases when
Speaker 14: there were similar challenges.
Speaker 6: But this is what Judge Cannon.
Speaker 1: Concludeday, is it as absurd as it sounds? Is there
Speaker 1: is there anything to this? Because I mean, this would
Speaker 1: see the other case tossed out.
Speaker 3: It just sounds ridiculous. But I'm not a lawyer. Is
Speaker 3: it ridiculous?
Speaker 6: So here's the thing.
Speaker 14: Lawyers don't ever like to say something is completely ridiculous
Speaker 14: unless they're brazenly biased.
Speaker 6: I'll say it's out there. It's a rogue decision in
Speaker 6: my view.
Speaker 14: Can I say that this Supreme Court would just laid
Speaker 14: out that really wild immunity ruling two weeks ago, won't.
Speaker 6: Back this up?
Speaker 14: Who the heck knows? I'll say there's no precedent for
Speaker 14: what she concluded. Muller, who was a private citizen at
Speaker 14: the time he was brought in, was challenged by.
Speaker 6: The exact same provisions.
Speaker 14: Both the District Court and the DC Circuit rejected those challenges.
Speaker 14: These every single one of these appointments over the last
Speaker 14: twenty years since the regulations were put in place in
Speaker 14: the aftermath of the Independent Council Statute, all those appointments
Speaker 14: were challenged. All of those challenges were rejected. Judge Cannon
Speaker 14: has basically relied upon various dissenting opinions from just this
Speaker 14: is Alito and Thomas in different Supreme Court rulings to
Speaker 14: try to craft her rationale. This will now go to
Speaker 14: the Eleventh Circuit. The Eleventh Circuits already rejected Judge Cannon
Speaker 14: now analysis on mission issues twice.
Speaker 6: We're going to see what they think of this analysis.
Speaker 2: So, Brad, we saw there was one clip. Crystal flagged
Speaker 2: this actually and wanted to ask you about it. Maybe
Speaker 2: we can play it for you. It's Barbara mcquaide. She's
Speaker 2: a lawyer talking about how this could be quote, a
Speaker 2: blessing in disguise.
Speaker 3: Let's play it. I want to get your reaction.
Speaker 15: Well, look, I think it's a terrible decision. I think
Speaker 15: it's absolutely wrong on the merits. But going forward, I
Speaker 15: think this could actually be a blessing in disguise because
Speaker 15: it gives Jack Smith an opportunity to appeal the case immediately.
Speaker 15: So many of these other decisions were within the judge's
Speaker 15: discretion as she was slow walking the case. But this
Speaker 15: is one where it's immediately appealable, and I think she
Speaker 15: is so clearly wrong on the law that the Eleventh
Speaker 15: Circuit will reverse.
Speaker 3: Now Donald Trump.
Speaker 15: Probably goes to the Supreme Court, and we have to
Speaker 15: wait for a decision there. But even if ultimately the
Speaker 15: Supreme Court rules in favor of Donald Trump, the case
Speaker 15: is not over all. That means is a special Council
Speaker 15: can't bring this case. There is nothing then to stop
Speaker 15: the US Attorney in the Southern District of Florida from
Speaker 15: bringing this case. Now, certainly it means lengthy delay. There
Speaker 15: will be no trial before the election. But I think
Speaker 15: we were headed in that direction anyway. He could even
Speaker 15: decide the Justice Department to take this out of the
Speaker 15: Special Council's hands and go directly to the US Attorney's
Speaker 15: Office for the Southern District of Florida, refile the case immediately,
Speaker 15: and get back on track, perhaps with a different judge.
Speaker 3: So what do you make of that? And that argument?
Speaker 14: So most of what she said is basically accurate in
Speaker 14: the sense that this will get a peal of eleven Circuit.
Speaker 14: I fully expect Eleventh Circuit to reverse. I have no
Speaker 14: idea what the Supreme Court will say. I'm skeptical that,
Speaker 14: at least for now, especially in the next few months,
Speaker 14: that the Justice Department is going to try to refile
Speaker 14: the case through the US Attorney's office or anything like that.
Speaker 6: It would look brazenly political. There's no to it.
Speaker 14: There's not going to be a trial before the election anyways.
Speaker 14: This will still have to play out over the coming months.
Speaker 14: But putting that part aside, the just Department as a whole,
Speaker 14: as an institution, isn't going to want to just lay
Speaker 14: down and accept the idea that Judge Cannon decides that
Speaker 14: twenty years of established institutional and legal precedent is thrown
Speaker 14: out the window when it comes to special counsels.
Speaker 6: This is what they've done. This is what they put
Speaker 6: into place after.
Speaker 14: The Independent Council days and the wild days of Ken Starr.
Speaker 14: They wanted to have an established process that kept it
Speaker 14: in house. They're going to want to fight this up,
Speaker 14: at least to the Supreme Court. We'll see what Supreme
Speaker 14: Court says. If the Supreme Court says otherwise, then is.
Speaker 6: A whole new ballgame. We'll see what Justice does at
Speaker 6: that point.
Speaker 3: Got it now?
Speaker 6: One question just.
Speaker 1: Curious what the kind of politics of the judiciary are here.
Speaker 1: What is how does it benefit a judge like an
Speaker 1: Eileen Cannon and not maybe not talk specifically about her,
Speaker 1: but how does it benefit a judge like Eileen Cannon
Speaker 1: to be so far out there, you know, against precedent,
Speaker 1: like what does this do for a judge's kind of
Speaker 1: politics as they're trying to rise up through the ranks.
Speaker 14: So it's always the idea of, you know, the feverish descent,
Speaker 14: someone who's trying to craft a new way of approaching
Speaker 14: these legal policies, saying I know this is how you've
Speaker 14: always done. It doesn't mean it's right. I have a
Speaker 14: different ideological and constitutional analysis that I believe is appropriate here.
Speaker 14: I'm going to strike out here and outline what I
Speaker 14: believe to be the correct interpretation. Even if she gets overruled,
Speaker 14: which I expect she will, it lines her up on
Speaker 14: the idea kind of what you're hinting at, that a
Speaker 14: future Republican president, whether it's Donald Trump or somebody else,
Speaker 14: might look at her as someone who views the Constitution
Speaker 14: and the authorities outlined there more along that sort of
Speaker 14: unitary executive style and less along those bureaucratic state of
Speaker 14: what we've seen over the last two to three decades.
Speaker 14: It goes back to the idea that Donald Trump will
Speaker 14: pushed that everything runs through him. The Office of the
Speaker 14: President can hire and fire the special counsel at any time,
Speaker 14: and that all these regulations mean nothing. It all comes
Speaker 14: down to Article two and nothing more.
Speaker 3: Got it.
Speaker 2: Well, very interested to see how this goes and the
Speaker 2: eleven circond eventually to scot Is.
Speaker 3: My final question is just on timing.
Speaker 2: This thing was already getting kicked, right, Brad, This is
Speaker 2: just going to extend this even if it does get
Speaker 2: brought eventually to trial. What dates are we even looking
Speaker 2: at now? Twenty twenty five, twenty twenty six.
Speaker 14: You're probably looking at twenty twenty five, and that's only
Speaker 14: if Donald Trump loses. If Donald Trump wins, these cases,
Speaker 14: the DC case and the Florida case are gone. They're
Speaker 14: going to be dismissed immediately upon him entering office. And
Speaker 14: then all we've got left is the Georgia case, which
Speaker 14: is a whole slew of problems of how to handle
Speaker 14: a state prosecution of an in common president.
Speaker 10: But if he.
Speaker 14: Loses, you're looking at both those cases sometime in twenty
Speaker 14: twenty five. Who knows exactly when there's a slew of
Speaker 14: pre trial issue still the flesh out, got it?
Speaker 2: Well, We appreciate it as always, Brad, thank you for
Speaker 2: joining us of course anytime. Thank you guys so much
Speaker 2: for joining us. We appreciate it. As I said, my
Speaker 2: wedding is on Saturday. By the way, for those who
Speaker 2: are confused, Yes, I had an Indian ceremony last year.
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Speaker 2: I'm glad I did it because one of my grandparents
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