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Speaker 2: let's get to the show. Good morning, everybody, Happy Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: We have an amazing show for everybody today. I got

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Speaker 2: a couple of programming notes just right here at the top. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: one of Crystal's youngest daughters is in the hospital today.

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Speaker 4: We are wishing her absolutely the best.

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Speaker 2: Another programming note, It's been quite a personal just mess

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Speaker 2: here on Breaking Points. My grandfather died a couple of

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Speaker 2: days ago. My actually getting married in a couple of

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Speaker 2: days on Saturday, so I'm going to be out for the.

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Speaker 4: Rest of the week.

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Speaker 2: Luckily, we have our very own Ryan Grimm and Emily

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Speaker 2: Joshinski who are stepping up to the plate. Ryan, thank

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Speaker 2: you for bailing us out of these multiple personal crises

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Speaker 2: that we face here on Breaking Points, were we have never.

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Speaker 3: Been more thankful to have you man, So thank you both.

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Speaker 1: Glad to be here. Wishing the Crystal's family, well, yes,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Yeah, we all are. We're all thinking about

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Speaker 1: her this morning. We'll keep everybody updated on that as well.

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Speaker 2: So we have a couple of things, major things obviously

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Speaker 2: to react to this morning. Ryan, We've got the RNC

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Speaker 2: the first day yesterday. The big news that Crystal brought

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Speaker 2: to interview Lieutenant Tim McMillan. He's the co founder of

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Speaker 2: Debrief Media. Some of you may know him, but for

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Speaker 2: our purposes, he actually is former law enforcement who worked

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Speaker 2: multiple presidential protection details, and he's going to go over

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Speaker 2: some more stunning details that we are learning about the

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Speaker 2: failed assassination on Donald Trump and more importantly be failed

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Speaker 2: Secret Service and local law enforcement response. The things that

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Speaker 2: we are finding out now are just absolutely shocking, including

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Speaker 2: that the gunman was known to law enforcement with the

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Speaker 2: It doesn't get more of a failure than that. We're

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Speaker 2: the RNC, where Donald Trump stands today. And then also Ryan,

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Speaker 2: this will be great for you and I to discuss,

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Speaker 2: is the DNC and their official decision to try and

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Speaker 2: nominate Joe Biden officially virtually before the convention to stay

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Speaker 2: We're also going to talk about Joe Biden giving another

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Speaker 4: We have a couple of clips from that.

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Speaker 2: He also appeared on YouTube channel on Complex actually for

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Speaker 2: YouTubers who are out there, and some claims about Israel

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Speaker 3: Here we have JD.

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Speaker 2: Truth Social announcement that from Donald Trump yesterday. After lengthy

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Speaker 2: the position of Vice President is Senator JD. Vance of

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Speaker 2: the great State of Ohio. JD honorably served our country

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Speaker 3: Let's get to it.

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Speaker 5: If you go back to what I thought in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 5: another thing that was going on, Sean is I bought

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Speaker 5: a terrible threat to democracy.

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Speaker 6: It was a joke. Joe Biden is.

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Speaker 5: The one who's trying to throw his political opposition in jail.

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Speaker 5: Joe Biden is the one who's trying to undermine American

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Speaker 5: law and order. President Trump did a really good job,

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Speaker 5: and I actually think it's a good thing. When you

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Speaker 5: I got to say, Donald Trump is as healthy as

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Speaker 5: anybody I've ever met. I tell him all the time,

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Speaker 5: he's got ridiculous geenes. I played to be a very

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Speaker 1: He just absolutely runs against all the elites. But the

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Speaker 2: months ago. I said I don't think that Trump will

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you.

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Speaker 2: The big difference is that so look, and this was

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Speaker 2: actually this was Crystal's point. She was like, Trump has

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Speaker 2: Berghum or you know any of these other just box checkers,

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Speaker 2: that one is. Because Trump just loves the fake diversity.

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Speaker 3: Line, Ryan, how.

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Speaker 2: He praised Lena Khan, the FTC chair under the Biden administration.

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Speaker 4: Now, I'm not going to sit here and claim that JD.

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Speaker 1: The of the way that the the kind of two

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Speaker 1: You know Trump's donors are, are you know much much

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Speaker 3: Was her argument. Yes, you are exactly right, Ryan.

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Speaker 2: It's good to see you from the RNC for our purposes,

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Speaker 7: I mean jd Vance a short time that we've worked together,

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Speaker 7: He stepped right up. He's also been very vocal and

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Speaker 3: What'd you make of that?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Gabryel Barnburner of a speech, and he led actually

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Speaker 8: You'll you'll notice he highlighted Jade Vance as a marine.

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Speaker 8: less conservative, when you go out to Role Wisconsin, it's

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Speaker 8: not just Trump Country, it's Berney country, and I think

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Speaker 8: that's what you know, we take for granted almost because

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Speaker 8: we've known for so long that the RNC was coming

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Speaker 8: here to Wisconsin and to Milwaukee, that this was a

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Speaker 8: strategic pick, and it's been. It's turned out actually to

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Speaker 8: be somewhat of a genius pick. Not that it took

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Speaker 8: a genius to figure out that, you know, you should

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Speaker 8: go to Wisconsin, no offense to Hillary Clinton, even all

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Speaker 8: these years later, but it doesn't take a genius to

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Speaker 8: figure that one out. And for these these union guys,

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Speaker 8: if you look around at state like Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, you

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Speaker 8: realize that you just can't get around, You just can't

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Speaker 8: get around where most of your members are on.

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Speaker 9: The Trump question. I'm not talking about.

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Speaker 8: Any politics outside of that, because, as you and Ryan know,

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Speaker 8: when you talk to people, the kind of people that

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Speaker 8: shown O'Brien represents the Trump question is somewhat separate from

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Speaker 8: how those other politics fall in line afterwards, and you

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Speaker 8: just can't get around where most of the people who

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Speaker 8: represents are on the Trump question.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Ryan, let's get your reaction to not only to that,

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Speaker 2: but to this as well. I want to hear what

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Speaker 2: both of you have to say let's put this up

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Speaker 2: there on the screen, monumental news that the Teamsters are

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Speaker 2: considering no endorsement in the twenty twenty four race. I mean, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: what would that mean for a Democratic presidential ticket?

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Speaker 4: It just seems astounding.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting.

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Speaker 1: It's not clear symbolically it means an enormous amount, But

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Speaker 1: the Teamsters and the building trades kind of more broadly

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Speaker 1: have had their members supporting Donald Trump by sixty to

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Speaker 1: seventy percent plus margins, you know, going back to twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: and with the kind of Teamsters and building trade broadly

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Speaker 1: leadership making the case back to their members that actually know,

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Speaker 1: Democrats are better for you for your pocketbook issues and

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Speaker 1: for you know, supported the NLRB and supportive union issues,

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Speaker 1: and then hearing back from their members. Yeah, but A,

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Speaker 1: we like, we like Donald Trump, and b look at

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Speaker 1: look at how wages went up, you know, look at

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Speaker 1: how I had more money in my pocket.

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Speaker 3: While Trump was president, and so on.

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Speaker 1: The on a sheer number of votes, it probably doesn't

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Speaker 1: actually matter that much because so many teamsters themselves were

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Speaker 1: already voting for Republicans. Now, if it means that, you know,

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Speaker 1: teamsters aren't spending money you know that matters, although both

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Speaker 1: parties have so much money at this point that, you know,

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Speaker 1: a few million dollars from the Teamsters is kind of

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Speaker 1: at the margins. The way that people inside the labor

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Speaker 1: movement are viewing what Sean O'Brien is doing is kind

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Speaker 1: of looking out for his members under a Trump administration,

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Speaker 1: which everybody on the left expects to be filled with vengeance.

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Speaker 1: Whether that's true or not, Like that is how the

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Speaker 1: left is seeing a potential Trump administration, and so they

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Speaker 1: see Sean O'Brien as positioning himself and the Teamsters in

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Speaker 1: a way that would, you know, mitigate some of the

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Speaker 1: damage that might be done to organize labor under it

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Speaker 1: under a Trump administration.

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Speaker 2: Emily, what was it like in the room when Sean

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Speaker 2: O'Brien was speaking and when JD was picked? Just give

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Speaker 2: us some color that we may not have picked up

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Speaker 2: on the camera.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I wasn't in the room last night because the

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Speaker 8: press credential and closed at like six pm, even though

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Speaker 8: all the speeches were to come. Shout out to the

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Speaker 8: r n C for that one. But I will say

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Speaker 8: I find it fascinating the crowd that's mingling here in

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Speaker 8: Milwaukee because in Zager you definitely know this, you've seen

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Speaker 8: this before.

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Speaker 9: It's it's different. Delegates are different.

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Speaker 8: It's not so much that you know they're they're different people,

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Speaker 8: but it's it's just that it's a sense of let's say,

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Speaker 8: I don't want to I don't want to use the

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Speaker 8: word loyalty because the corporate media uses that and I

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Speaker 8: don't think it's the right word to so many average

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Speaker 8: Republicans approach to Donald Trump.

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Speaker 9: But it's a real sense of love.

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Speaker 8: Honestly, I think that's the best word for Donald Trump

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Speaker 8: that you didn't used to see for Republican politicians. Outside

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Speaker 8: to my memory, I remember being at CEPAC in twenty

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Speaker 8: twelve and seeing Sarah Palin.

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Speaker 9: That's the closest thing I've seen to this in the past.

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Speaker 8: And what's so interesting to me is the split screen

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Speaker 8: of the Republican Party being on full display yesterday, because

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Speaker 8: I don't think let's just say Trump doesn't pick jd Vance.

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Speaker 8: Let's say Donald Trump picks Tim Scott, financial Services Committee chairman,

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Speaker 8: close to a lot of the banks and the corporations,

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Speaker 8: and that's where he is. Doug Burgham something similar with

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Speaker 8: Doug Bergham and some of the other characters that Donald

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Speaker 8: Trump was reportedly considering. It's not clear to me what

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Speaker 8: that would mean for a future Sean O'Brien speech at

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Speaker 8: the RNC. Is this going to be a one off?

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Speaker 9: Well?

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Speaker 8: With jd Vance sort of ascend it in the Republican

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Speaker 8: Party now even more formally than he was just forty

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Speaker 8: eight hours ago, it looks like you could potentially have

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Speaker 8: another Sean O'Brien's speech at an rn C in the future.

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Speaker 8: Sean O'Brien or teams for speech or teams are endorsement

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Speaker 8: even it's unclear, but the weight sort of in the

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Speaker 8: balance went on that side last night.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: And I want to get your reaction to to some

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Speaker 2: of the other speakers that were last night. We had

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Speaker 2: David Sachs, who's been here on the program. We had

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Speaker 2: Amber Rose, and we had the teams quite quite a lineup.

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Speaker 2: What's your reaction to that, Emily, you know, on the

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Speaker 2: ground people you're talking to, what's happening here?

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Speaker 3: David?

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Speaker 2: I guess you know, he gave a lot of money

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Speaker 2: and he's somebody who I think on the on foreign policy.

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Speaker 2: By the way I can say this, he is one

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Speaker 2: hundred percent consistent. People can go and watch my interview

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Speaker 2: with David here at the desk, even on Israel. I

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Speaker 2: know all the lefties want to go go watch it

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Speaker 2: for yourself. You can hear what he has to say

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Speaker 2: right here where I'm sitting. But what was it like,

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Speaker 2: you know, to see that coming together? What's your observation

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Speaker 2: there of what's happening.

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Speaker 8: It's just so Trumpian, and it's even more Trumpian than

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Speaker 8: twenty sixteen, twenty twenty.

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Speaker 9: It feels like full Trump.

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Speaker 8: Although we may never actually reach full Trump, it feels

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Speaker 8: like we're fuller.

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Speaker 9: Trump than we were in the past.

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Speaker 8: The Amber Roach speech, in particular, I saw Matt Walsh,

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Speaker 8: for example, of the Daily Wire saying that this was

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Speaker 8: a disaster. Republicans put something put someone who's you know,

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Speaker 8: sexually promiscuous and as a face tattoo on the stage.

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Speaker 8: But her speech, if you listen to her speech, I

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Speaker 8: think actually spoke to something that a lot of people

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Speaker 8: are experiencing right now. She said she felt lied to

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Speaker 8: by the left, and when her dad told.

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Speaker 9: Her she talked about her dad a lot.

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Speaker 8: When her dad started opening up her eyes to this,

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Speaker 8: she basically realized a lot of what she had believed

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Speaker 8: was not true. And in a city like Milwaukee, where

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Speaker 8: Republicans are really serious about eating into the margins that

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Speaker 8: Democrats have had with black voters for a really long time,

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Speaker 8: with that narrative in particular, you are being lied to.

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Speaker 9: I don't think it was a disaster at all.

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Speaker 8: I actually think that reaction to it is really really

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Speaker 8: off the mark, because that's where, you know, that's where

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Speaker 8: you can really sort of end the Biden campaign is

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Speaker 8: if those cities like Milwaukee, Cleveland, I guess not so

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Speaker 8: much Cleveland because of where Ohio is now, but Philadelphia

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Speaker 8: just don't vote for him, and maybe some of them

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Speaker 8: will even.

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Speaker 3: Vote for Trump.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Ryan, what did you think of some of that

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Speaker 2: lineup and of generally where the RNC is right now?

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Speaker 2: Just you know, this is our last opportunity the three

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Speaker 2: of us, I guess to talk before Trump gives is

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Speaker 2: Trump and JD give their vice presidential or presidential acceptance speeches.

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Speaker 1: It's a much more imaginative party than Democrats are willing

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Speaker 1: to be. And yes, okay, David Sachs, like like you said,

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Speaker 1: gave a ton of money and and so that's you know,

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Speaker 1: one route onto the stage. But he's also you know,

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Speaker 1: one of these figures that's become prominent in the independent

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Speaker 1: media and in the social media space, and to elevate

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Speaker 1: those kinds of people. And also Amber Rose obviously that's

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Speaker 1: an imaginative place for a party to go. Trump meeting

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Speaker 1: with RFK Junior just just taking the meeting and talking

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Speaker 1: to them shows a flexibility.

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Speaker 3: And an imagination that Democrats don't have.

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Speaker 1: You can't, like, can you imagine now Joe Biden sating

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Speaker 1: like it's completely inconceivable, even though it would be in

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Speaker 1: their interests to try it.

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Speaker 3: Soccer happened.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well I was just gonna say it. Scager you

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Speaker 8: know this, and Ryan you know this too. You used

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Speaker 8: to go to if you used to go to Republican events, there,

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Speaker 8: there was nothing more cookie cutter. I mean truly, there

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Speaker 8: was nothing more cookie cutter. But even just like demographic wise,

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Speaker 8: there was nothing more cookie cutter.

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Speaker 9: Everybody was wearing.

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Speaker 8: Elephant skirts and was like coming from a very similar background.

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Speaker 8: And then they'd hold up a couple of different people

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Speaker 8: in the crowd and be like, see, it's like Trump,

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Speaker 8: where's my African American? But it's actually now different, Like

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Speaker 8: the crowds that you see walking around places like the RNC.

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Speaker 8: It is just it is not the elephant skirt crowds.

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Speaker 8: It's it's a mix of that and you know, some

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Speaker 8: some new people, some people who are you know, comfortable

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Speaker 8: approaching things differently.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Emily, I'm curious on that point.

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Speaker 1: And in twenty eight and twenty twelve, some of the

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Speaker 1: most I think it's two thousand and eight, the conventions

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Speaker 1: were weak week to week, like they were back to back,

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Speaker 1: and I remember going from one to the other and thinking, wow,

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Speaker 1: like these are legitimately two different political parties. Like you

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Speaker 1: can argue that, you know, it's it's a duopoly, but

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Speaker 1: just physically seeing the two of them next to each other,

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Speaker 1: like these are just simply different parties. And like you said,

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Speaker 1: the cookie cutter nature of the of the Republican National

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Speaker 1: Convention was utterly striking. So I wish I was there

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Speaker 1: this year to see it, Like are you are you

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Speaker 1: seeing a slightly different Republican Party? Like it's it just

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Speaker 1: looks different as you're as you're walking around.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean maybe it's the setting.

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Speaker 8: I think it's feel a little bit more working class

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Speaker 8: than typically you would have seen in the past at

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Speaker 8: some of these events. And one big takeaway I had

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Speaker 8: from yesterday. Again, like I'm from this area, spent you know,

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Speaker 8: a lot a lot of time in Milwaukee. I worked

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Speaker 8: in downtown Milwaukee. It was dead yesterday. You know, what

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Speaker 8: you're seeing in the FI Serve Forum is start contrast

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Speaker 8: with what you're seeing outside of it. There's just you know,

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Speaker 8: I went out for dinner in a pretty trendy neighborhood

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Speaker 8: last night and there's just nobody around because the security

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Speaker 8: is so intense. So it feels like people are settling

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Speaker 8: in here at the moment. And I'm curious to see

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Speaker 8: how the crowds shape up in the next several days,

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Speaker 8: because as of yesterday at least it was quiet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we'll see. We'll see.

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Speaker 2: Emily, thank you so much for joining us. We really

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Speaker 2: appreciate it, and I'm sure you'll check in more. I

653
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Speaker 2: know the two of you guys are going to hold

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Speaker 2: down the Ford on Thursday, which is incredible. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for bailing this out here midst several personal crises and

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Speaker 2: other personal events.

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Speaker 3: Let's just put it that way.

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Speaker 2: Ryan and I are going now going to interview Lieutenant

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Speaker 2: Tim McMillan about some of the law enforcement failures in

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Speaker 2: the attempted assassination of Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: Let's get to it.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, guys, we had some connection issues with Lieutenant Tim McMillan.

663
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Speaker 2: But Ryan and I will do our best to break

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Speaker 2: down some of the news here. Let's go and put

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Speaker 2: this up there on the screen. So the first and

666
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Speaker 2: most important news that we're dissecting together b one please, gentlemen,

667
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 2: is that law enforcement, according to NBC News affiliate, spotted

668
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: the Trump shooter some thirty minutes before the shots were fired. Now, briefly,

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Speaker 2: Tim McMillan told us that he did not necessarily believe

670
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Speaker 2: this report. But what we're reading from them is that

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Speaker 2: according to Beaver County, Pennsylvania Emergency Services, they noticed quote

672
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Speaker 2: a suspicious man on the roof near the rally at

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Speaker 2: five forty five pm, called it in and took a

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Speaker 2: picture of the person. Keep in mind that the shots

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Speaker 2: were fired in Butler, Pennsylvania some six fifteen pm. Ryan,

676
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Speaker 2: So if that is accurate, that means that the shooter

677
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: had nearly thirty minutes on or around the rooftop before

678
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Speaker 2: anything actually not before anything was done. Nothing was done

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Speaker 2: until he actually took shots at the president. We know

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Speaker 2: that there was some current. There was some confrontation moments

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Speaker 2: before the shooting between local law enforcement and the shooter.

682
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Speaker 2: But still, I mean, the details are stunning in their failure,

683
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Speaker 2: if that's true.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And to bring viewers behind the curtain here, we

685
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Speaker 1: had Tim McMillan on for about ten minutes, but his

686
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Speaker 1: connection was just too unstable to keep going. And what

687
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: he was saying there is that Yes, he said, I believe,

688
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: of course that they probably did surveil him. They basically

689
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Speaker 1: surveil everybody ahead of the event, but he was quite

690
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: skeptical that they would have surveiled him with a weapon

691
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: and then done nothing at all Like that just seemed

692
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Speaker 1: too shocking even to him, despite all the glaring failures

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Speaker 1: that we've seen. And I asked him about what you've

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Speaker 1: heard a lot of progressive says, well, hey, Pennsylvania is

695
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Speaker 1: an open carry state. Doesn't this make it much more

696
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Speaker 1: difficult for the Secret Service? And he said, you know

697
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Speaker 1: what they're they're there because they're federal officials. They're able

698
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: to push the perimeter basically as far as they want,

699
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Speaker 1: and so you can't just you know, creep right up

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Speaker 1: to a presidential event, even if you're outside of it.

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Speaker 3: And say hey, look, this is open carry. Secret Service

702
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Speaker 3: has the ability to say you get out of here.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 1: Secret Service cannot just open fire on somebody for open

705
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Speaker 1: carrying near an event, and they'd have to say something like, hey, look,

706
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Speaker 1: you need to move on here. That gets to the

707
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Speaker 1: confrontation that we know about where a local police officer

708
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Speaker 1: who was told hey, there might be something in the roof,

709
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Speaker 1: climbed the roof, saw him kid pointed the weapon at him,

710
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Speaker 1: and he retreated and then immediately fired at the president.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's right. And we also have this let's put

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Speaker 4: this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 3: Police.

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Speaker 2: This is from ABC News. One of the things that

715
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Speaker 2: they talk about here is that the local police Ryan

716
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Speaker 2: allegedly were inside of the shooter building. According to the

717
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Speaker 2: United States Secret Service, the detail is that the cops

718
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Speaker 2: actually were in side along with some other members of

719
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Speaker 2: a counter sniper team, just compounding some of the failure.

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Speaker 2: The implication Ryan is that the building was not quote

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Speaker 2: secured because the police were inside of it, whereas the

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Speaker 2: rooftop itself is somehow not under surveillance. That was I mean,

723
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Speaker 2: I listen, I mean that might be actually one of

724
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Speaker 2: the most stunning parts.

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Speaker 3: Of all if what this checks out.

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Speaker 4: And this is again according to the United States Secret Service.

727
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Speaker 1: And if you are those officers, your job is also

728
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: to block access to being able to get on top.

729
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Speaker 3: Of the building.

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Speaker 1: But let's remember what was it like in Pennsylvania that day.

731
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Speaker 1: It was insanely hot. I wonder if some of these

732
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Speaker 1: officers were like, you know what, God, it's brutal out here.

733
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Speaker 1: I'm dying out here. Trump late getting on the stage.

734
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Speaker 1: What's the worst thing that could happen? I'm going inside.

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Speaker 1: This is crushing me.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 1: I guarantee you that cops and other workers in US workforces,

738
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Speaker 1: including myself, have done that kind of thing for centuries.

739
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Speaker 3: Hey, the boss isn't looking. It's so human.

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Speaker 2: We can understand it, I think, to a certain extent.

741
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Speaker 2: Can we forgive it in this instance? Probably not.

742
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Speaker 3: If this is the worst can happen.

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Speaker 6: It happened.

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Speaker 3: Well, actually the worst didn't happen, right, but near what

745
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 3: really happened? Yeah, near the worst.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Look, this is again why it's so extraordinary

747
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: is this is the first time a bullet has touched

748
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Speaker 2: a president or foreign president since Ronald Reagan, so it's

749
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 2: been forty one years. This is the biggest failure since

750
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 2: that Reagan shooting, and then honestly, in this case, I

751
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 2: think it actually might be a bigger failure because this

752
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 2: was counter to procedure, Whereas at that time, you know,

753
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 2: things were crazy in the seventies and eighties where somehow

754
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Speaker 2: you could just get very close.

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Speaker 3: To a president with a gun, which is nuts.

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Speaker 2: I mean, when we compare like gerald Ford and Reagan

757
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Speaker 2: and all this, it wasn't even counter to their procedure

758
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 2: per se. Here they explicitly are supposed to do X,

759
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 2: Y and Z at the most basic level, and it

760
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: was a failure of that mission that led then to

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Speaker 2: the attempted assassination. Put this up there on the screen again,

762
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Speaker 2: just to go over the shooting. The site line. What

763
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 2: again is that you can see that building that we're

764
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Speaker 2: talking for those who are watching, some one hundred and

765
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Speaker 2: thirty six yards away from where the president was speaking,

766
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Speaker 2: and you can see that that building allegedly is where

767
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Speaker 2: the staging ground for some of these local officers would be.

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Speaker 2: And intuitively makes sense whenever you take a look at this,

769
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Speaker 2: because you have the rally area on the right where

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Speaker 2: the stage is, and then it would make sense also

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Speaker 2: that local police and staging areas, the so called middle

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Speaker 2: tier of the security perimeter would be right there. Let's

773
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Speaker 2: go to the next part. Please just to continue breaking

774
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Speaker 2: some of this down, because this is the image we

775
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 2: showed everyone yesterday in color and also with the rally

776
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Speaker 2: set up. There where the building there on the left

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Speaker 2: some one hundred and thirty six yards away from the

778
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Speaker 2: president was exactly where that body of the shooter was found. Also,

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Speaker 2: just so everybody knows in terms of the investigation, now

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00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 2: for what we have, we can continue to not know

781
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 2: very much according to the authorities from about this shooter,

782
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 2: Thomas Matthews crooks. So far, they're saying he has no

783
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Speaker 2: Internet presence. They were able to get access, I believe,

784
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Speaker 2: to his cell phone. But the access to his cell

785
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 2: phone apparently did not gleam any insight into his motive. Now,

786
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Speaker 2: I know a lot of people are saying, well, is

787
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Speaker 2: obviously his motive was to kill Trump? Yeah, we know,

788
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,439
Speaker 2: but why for what possible reason? Was he a crank?

789
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 2: Was he a suicide by cop? Was he looking for attention?

790
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 2: I mean, nobody is particularly mentally stable in this. But

791
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Speaker 2: I have to be honest Ryan and saying that I

792
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 2: have a lot of eyebrows raised so far because I'm

793
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Speaker 2: seeing I honestly feel very much like I did after

794
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 2: the Las Vegas shooting, where you had this horrible massacre

795
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 2: Stephen Paddock shooting from the Mandalay Bay Hotel. All of

796
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 2: these people are dead and all of the details are crazy.

797
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 2: You know, Oh, he just miraculously he's able to, you know,

798
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Speaker 2: bring all these guns up into his hotel room. He

799
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Speaker 2: was able to fire for a sustained period of time.

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Speaker 2: He's killed, and then basically we don't hear about it anymore.

801
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 2: The FBI is like, yep, we never know why he

802
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 2: just did it. So there was speculation about health condition,

803
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: he had large sums of money. Everything about it is weird.

804
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 2: And I'm starting to get a very similar feeling to this.

805
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 2: And there's still so many unanswered questions about Las Vegas,

806
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 2: and it appears that is the direction that we are

807
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 2: heading in right now.

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Speaker 3: And basically they had one roof.

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Speaker 1: It's not as if, I know, you had a ton

810
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Speaker 1: of buildings that you had to secure, it's that one roof.

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Speaker 3: Now, maybe we find out that it's.

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Speaker 1: As simple as there were officers that were supposed to

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00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: be outside of there, and they got lazy and they

814
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Speaker 1: walked inside because the sun was beating down on them

815
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Speaker 1: and they didn't think anything would happen. What I also

816
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: don't understand, though, is Okay, I understand, maybe not agree,

817
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: but I understand why. All right, the counter sniper sees

818
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: the sniper and has them in his sights and is

819
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: asking for permission to fire and is being told no,

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Speaker 1: because the argument was, well, what if it's somebody with

821
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Speaker 1: a telescope, you don't want to just you know, you

822
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Speaker 1: don't kill an innocent person just looking through a telescope.

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Speaker 3: But why not take Trump off the stage at that moment?

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00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 1: Why not take him down underneath the podium, Like that's

826
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Speaker 1: not that big of a deal. The rally can go on,

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Speaker 1: and then you and then you sort out what the

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Speaker 1: problem is the.

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Speaker 3: Resistance. The decision not to do that is the one

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Speaker 3: that is just to me just unforgivable, not only unforgivable rhyme.

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Speaker 2: But if we have the situation where he's not taken

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Speaker 2: off the stage, where the law enforcement appears to know

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Speaker 2: who he is for thirty minutes they're underneath the building,

834
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Speaker 2: and then let's not forget the heroic members of the

835
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Speaker 2: audience who are consistently shouting at these politig he's on

836
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Speaker 2: the roof, he has a gun, and nothing is being done.

837
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Speaker 2: Presumably these gentlemen inside of a building would have gotten

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Speaker 2: the heads up about that somebody's going to go do something.

839
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Speaker 2: And what we know is that there there was only

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Speaker 2: one police officer at least that we know so far,

841
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 2: who's able to confront this individual. And when he confronts

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Speaker 2: this individual, he actually retreats down the ladder after he's

843
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 2: the gun is pointed at him, and in that moment

844
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Speaker 2: of retreat is when the shots are fired at Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: And only by the grace of God literally by turning

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Speaker 2: his head slightly at that moment, do we avoid a

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Speaker 2: not only an assassination on live television, but consider you know,

848
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 2: even more of what like we're talking about a literal

849
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 2: head explosion in high definition in the twenty first century.

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Speaker 2: This is not you know, this appruder film this It

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Speaker 2: would be oh my god, I can't even begin to imagine.

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Speaker 1: And if you piece those things together, in some ways,

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Speaker 1: it feels to me like like his crowd actually saved

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Speaker 1: his life, because you know, by forcing that cop to

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Speaker 1: go up there, that pushed the guy to shoot much faster.

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Speaker 1: Like the reporting that we're getting is that, you know,

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Speaker 1: he pointed the gun at the cop, the cop retreated

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Speaker 1: and then immediately he fired at Trump, which means that

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Speaker 1: he had probably less time than he would have liked

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Speaker 1: to set and aim and then fire. And so then

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Speaker 1: he quickly took his shots and missed. And you're right,

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00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: like there was a turn of the head and the

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Speaker 1: other other things that statement. Well, but I think the

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Speaker 1: audience intervening made it a more difficult shot for the shooter.

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Speaker 1: So the shooter missing is the thing to save Trump

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Speaker 1: and to the extent that the crowd participated in that,

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Speaker 1: you know, Trump, Trump needs to give some gratitude to

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Speaker 1: his people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly, let's go to the next part here and

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Speaker 2: put this up there on the screen again, just continuing

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Speaker 2: some of the details that we know about that local

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00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 2: police officer. You can see we have it tied, we

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Speaker 2: have it cut out the exact quote, and that really

874
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Speaker 2: does raise again quite a bit of questions about this

875
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 2: police officer who retreats down the ladder shoots, you know,

876
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 2: towards the former president. And that is when the Secret

877
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 2: Service counter snipers some one hundred and thirty six yards away.

878
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: They have to come in and neutralize the suspect before

879
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 2: or he eventually is you know, the rooftop is then

880
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 2: secured by some of the police. So still lots of

881
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 2: questions that remain here about what happened and some very

882
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 2: very troubling details. All right, let's get to the polling section.

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00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 2: Let's begin here with the New York Times some stunning

884
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 2: new data. They are saying two likely voter screenens in

885
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Speaker 2: critical states, Pennsylvania and Virginia. So if the twenty twenty

886
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 2: four election were held today, who would you vote for

887
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 2: if the candidates were Joe Biden and Donald Trump. Pennsylvania

888
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 2: is forty eight percent Trump, Joe Biden at forty five,

889
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 2: and Biden at a stunning just forty eight percent to

890
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 2: forty five.

891
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 4: In the state of Virginia. Virginia here all eyes.

892
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 2: In fact, Glenn Youngin was considered a possible vice presidential

893
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 2: pick at the last minute by Donald Trump, specifically because

894
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: of the current nature of the race. Ryan and much

895
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 2: of the data that we have here shows Trump running

896
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 2: some seven eight points ahead of where he ended up

897
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Speaker 2: in the twenty twenty election whenever he did run in Virginia.

898
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 2: So the political dynamics here of Biden's consequence to stay

899
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 2: in the race are really stunning in terms of how

900
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 2: they are turning not even purple states frankly, but previously

901
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 2: considered light blue into literally on the map and possibly

902
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 2: in play.

903
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 3: What do you make of all of this?

904
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 1: It's what you would have expected, you know, coming out

905
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: of the Bay performance that we saw like this is

906
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: this is what it looks like when the bottom is

907
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: falling out. You know, we had we had Dimitri Melhorne,

908
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: the Democratic megadonnan advisor on the on the show That's Friday,

909
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: who's arguing that, Look, if you look at you know,

910
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: ABC's five thirty eight, not that Nate Silver one, but

911
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 1: five thirty eight, that it's still you know, nationally pretty

912
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: much within the margin of error. But that's the last

913
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: thing that Democrats can cling to, you know, real clear politics.

914
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: Actually Nate Silver's himself, all the other polling averages have

915
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 1: it spreading widely away from the margin of era.

916
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:03,240
Speaker 3: But when you drill.

917
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: Down into the swing states, Trump is just you know,

918
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: dominant in them, and dominant in a way that we

919
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: haven't seen either party be you know in a you know,

920
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: amst maybe almost twenty years or something.

921
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 3: Maybe you have to go back to Barack Obama.

922
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: Twenty twelve towards the very end, but even that was

923
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 1: ended up being a pretty close election because the parties

924
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: are so closely divided here. You know, these are significant leads,

925
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: you know, given that context.

926
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Speaker 2: Yes, let's go ahea and put this up there on

927
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Speaker 2: the screen and continue with some of the polling data

928
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Speaker 2: that we have, because if we dig down, you can

929
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Speaker 2: actually see how Biden and Harris also fare against Trump.

930
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: So what do you make of this matchup against Kamala Harris.

931
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 2: She's running ahead of Trump in the state of Virginia,

932
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 2: are running ahead of Biden, I apologize, at forty nine

933
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 2: to forty four in the state of Virginia, whereas Biden

934
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: is just at forty eight to forty five in Pennsylvania. However,

935
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Speaker 2: she is also running some two points ahead of Joe Biden.

936
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Speaker 2: So it is pretty clear that, you know, in a

937
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 2: normal race, a normal Democrat could be relatively competitive against

938
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, even somebody is not as politically talented as

939
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris. But Biden's decision to stay in the race

940
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 2: is actively dragging down the ticket.

941
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Speaker 4: If we're looking at something like this.

942
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Kamala Harris like, like you said, she's not

943
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: a terribly well liked kind of Democratic candidate. She's she's

944
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: not you know, she's not even in the kind of

945
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: you know, Gavin Newsom, Gretchen whit Murder a tear And

946
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: so when you put her in there and compare her

947
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 1: to Biden and see that even she significantly outporn outperforms Biden,

948
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: it really tells you how much of a drag he

949
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: is in the ticket. You can also look at, you know,

950
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Speaker 1: Biden in comparison to senate Democrats across the map. You

951
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: look at Tammy Baldwin, you know, who's up five or

952
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: six points on her GOP opponent, He's down five or

953
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: six points. Like we haven't really seen gaps like that

954
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Speaker 1: since like the nineteen seventies when you had like favor

955
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 1: Sun senators who were just massively popular.

956
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 3: But the great Democrats were never going to win in

957
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 3: the map.

958
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: Since then, you know, in the last ten years, it's

959
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Speaker 1: been you know, within a point or two, and often

960
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: with the presidential candidate being the one that's one or

961
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,720
Speaker 1: two points ahead, the idea that you know, you're trailing

962
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: ten twelve points behind you know fairly, you know generics

963
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: senate Democratic candidates, you know, shows you how much weight

964
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: there is wrapped around his feet.

965
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 2: Yes, let's continue here with some of the New York

966
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 2: Times data about how they want him to drop out.

967
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 2: Next part, Please, do you think that Biden should remain

968
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 2: the Democratic nominee? Only forty eight percent of Pennsylvania Democrats

969
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,919
Speaker 2: saying yes, forty six percent saying he should drop out.

970
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 2: But look at the Virginia number, Ryan, fifty eight percent

971
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 2: of Democrats in Virginia saying that Biden should drop out.

972
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 2: Probably explained. I saw by the fact that people like

973
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 2: you and me live here around the DMV and we.

974
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 3: Follow politics very closely.

975
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 2: So I swear it's kind of like our our native

976
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 2: our hometown business. This is literally the economy, especially Democrats

977
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 2: in Virginia, you know, disproportionately going to be in northern Virginia.

978
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 2: Those people they all work at the Pentagon, they work

979
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 2: in consulting, they work for the government. I mean, these

980
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 2: are people who live and breathe politics, so they, if anything,

981
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 2: the people who know Biden the most and also follow

982
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 2: politics the closest, they're like, hey, he needs to go,

983
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 2: like right now.

984
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 3: I found that pretty interesting.

985
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, Virginia Democrat in general, you could pull one off

986
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: the voter file and put them onto this show, and

987
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: you know they just as fluent in national politics as

988
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: we would.

989
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 3: So yes, I think that's exactly right. They've seen that.

990
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: And also they're aware of the polling comparisons, like they're

991
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: just they're just purely pragmatic.

992
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 3: They're like, who is going to beat Trump?

993
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: And right now they're looking at it like glass show

994
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: is not the one that we're putting up against Trump.

995
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 3: At this moment.

996
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 2: And sticking also sticking with what you were talking about,

997
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 2: we have more data on this point, if we can

998
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 2: continue and put this there here. We have a new

999
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 2: general election poll from you Gov. We have Arizona, Georgia, Michigan,

1000
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 2: North Carolina, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin. Trump is leading literally in

1001
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 2: every single state. Okay, this is every single state. Trump

1002
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 2: is up by a minimum of two and a maximum

1003
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 2: of seven in the state of Arizona. We're talking about

1004
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 2: blowout victory here in every single battleground. But go to

1005
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 2: the next one and you'll see how much Joe Biden

1006
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 2: is dragging down the ticket. In the very same poll,

1007
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 2: Ryan Ruben Diego is up by eight points, So that's

1008
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 2: what a fifteen point swing at least slock In up nine.

1009
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 3: Nevada, Jackie Rosen.

1010
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 2: Up seven, Bob Casey is up twelve, Tammy Baldwin is

1011
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 2: up by seven, and we're looking at an almost ten

1012
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 2: to twenty point swing in some cases against Donald Trump

1013
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 2: for the Democratic normal Senate candidate, which just reveals how

1014
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 2: much Biden is sinking this ticket to the bottom.

1015
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: These are all states where the Democratic Party is basically

1016
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: kind of won the argument against trump Ism, Like these

1017
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: were very close states in Arizona and Georgia were more

1018
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: Republican states very recently, but they've all trended towards Democrats

1019
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: in recent year, in recent years to the point where

1020
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 1: you know, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, you know you're seeing legislative takeovers,

1021
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: you know, gubernatorial takeovers Wisconsin and Michigan enacting like Democrat

1022
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: enacting the Democratic agenda, not even like fighting out with

1023
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: with like split legislatures or grappling with Republicans there. And

1024
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: yet it's like a throwback, like wait a minute, now,

1025
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: Republicans are winning every single one of these states, and

1026
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: it is as simple as Joe Biden, and as he

1027
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: showed on Lester, a whole the news cycle can move

1028
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: on and focused on something else, but that doesn't bring

1029
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: Joe Biden's brain back to life.

1030
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're very very correct there.

1031
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 2: I think that's just where we'll end it as well

1032
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 2: too with this last observation and put it up there

1033
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 2: on the screen, is that just thirty three percent of

1034
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:08,720
Speaker 2: Democrats are currently satisfied with their party's presidential nominee versus

1035
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 2: some seventy one percent of GOP voters. So the enthusiasm

1036
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 2: gap here is just absolutely unbelievable. Ryan, to have only

1037
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 2: thirty three percent and sixty two percent of Democrats this

1038
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 2: far into the race. We're talking about the actual general

1039
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 2: election season now, who are like, Yeah, I don't want

1040
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 2: Joe Biden to be the nominee. It's just devastating for him,

1041
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 2: and he is showing us no signs he's going anywhere.

1042
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,760
Speaker 2: Biden gave us series of interviews over the last twenty

1043
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 2: four hours that have been published. First and foremost was

1044
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 2: with Lester Holt, like you said, over at NBC News,

1045
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 2: and he is directly confronted about his age, about looking confused,

1046
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 2: and he is holding on for dear life, let's take

1047
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 2: a listen.

1048
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 10: I guess the question is, are you all on the

1049
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 10: same page of the work? Are you seeing what they saw?

1050
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 10: Which was moments of frankly to be you've appeared to

1051
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 10: be confused, Lester.

1052
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 11: Look, why don't you guys ever talk about the eighteen

1053
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:07,439
Speaker 11: twenty eight.

1054
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 6: Lies he told?

1055
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 11: Where are you on this? Why did the press ever

1056
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 11: talk about that? Twenty eight times? It's confirmed he lied

1057
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 11: in that debate. I had a bad, bad night. I

1058
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,919
Speaker 11: wasn't feeling well at all. Man, I had been without

1059
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 11: him making it. I screwed up.

1060
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 10: But I just asked the question because the idea that

1061
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 10: you may or may not have seen what some of

1062
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 10: these other folks have seen. You're not on the same line, I.

1063
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 3: Have to say I was there.

1064
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 12: I just see it.

1065
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:42,399
Speaker 3: I was there.

1066
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 11: By the way, seriously, you won't answer the question, but

1067
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 11: why did the press talk about all the lies?

1068
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 3: He told?

1069
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 12: I didn't read it about that.

1070
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 10: We have reported many of the issues that you have

1071
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 10: that debate.

1072
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 3: No you haven't.

1073
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 10: It will provide you with them.

1074
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 12: Oh God love you.

1075
00:52:55,360 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 10: Okay, who do you listen to on deeply personally issues

1076
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 10: like the decisions whether to stay in the razor or

1077
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 10: not me?

1078
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, First of all, we've talked about this before.

1079
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 2: Democrats are so great in this with it. But he

1080
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 2: lied twenty eight times. I'm like, oh, not twenty six,

1081
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,439
Speaker 2: twenty eight, not thirty, not thirty two.

1082
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 4: Where do they even get these numbers from it?

1083
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: Like why won't the press talk about Trump's live It's

1084
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, Like PRES's been talking about that for

1085
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:29,760
Speaker 1: eight years.

1086
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Also nobody cares. But that last question, Ryan, that

1087
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 2: last answer, what did you make of that man? He

1088
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 2: is the only person he keeps saying it, the Lord

1089
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 2: Almighty himself.

1090
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 3: The number of.

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Speaker 1: Pieces of kind of Trump attire that he's adorning himself

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Speaker 1: with is just incredible.

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Speaker 3: So I alone can fix it, becomes me.

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Speaker 1: At his Michigan rally, you had the crowd chanting lock

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00:53:55,960 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: him up and booing the press corps. It's utterly incredible

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00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 1: to watch this transformation of and out of this kind

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00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 1: of this fear and shock that the man that they

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00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 1: thought they had vanquished not only might be coming back

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Speaker 1: but really looks like it's quite plausibly coming back to

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Speaker 1: becoming president. It's just, you know, the brain breaking that

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Speaker 1: we saw during the first Trump administration is now looking

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Speaker 1: mild compared to what we're seeing here.

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Speaker 2: He also Ryan went off a little I'm curious what

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Speaker 2: you think of this too, because I've been kind of

1105
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 2: annoyed about this rhetoric about how everyone's like, oh, we

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00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 2: need to tone the rhetoric down, and I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean conceptually, but also we can criticize each other

1108
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 2: and that's fine. And if you say put Trump in

1109
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 2: the bulls eye, I'm like, I don't think that you

1110
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 2: were targeting in for assassination in the same way that

1111
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 2: I don't think that Sarah Palin was targeting Gabby Gifferin's

1112
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 2: it's ridiculous. But Biden actually seemed to accept that frame.

1113
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 2: He was asked about the rhetoric in the interview and

1114
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 2: he said it was actually a mistake to say to

1115
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 2: put Trump in the bullseye.

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Speaker 3: Take a listen to that answer.

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00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 10: Well, let's talk about the conversation this has started, and

1118
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 10: it's really about language, what we say out loud, and

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00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 10: the consequences of those You called your opponent an existential

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Speaker 10: threat on a call a week ago. You said it's

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Speaker 10: time to put Trump in the bullseye. There's some dispute

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00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 10: about the context. But I think you appreciate I did

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Speaker 10: say crosshairs.

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Speaker 12: I was talking about focus on.

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Speaker 11: Look, the truth of the matter was, well, I guess

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00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 11: I was talking about as the time was, there's very

1127
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 11: little focus.

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Speaker 12: On Trump's Yeah, the term is bullseye was a mistake

1129
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 12: to youse. I didn't.

1130
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 11: I didn't say crosshairs, bullsey I'm going to focus on him,

1131
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 11: Focus on what he's doing, Focus on on his policies,

1132
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 11: focus on the number of lies he told in the debate,

1133
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 11: focus on I mean, there's there's a whole range of

1134
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 11: things that Look, I'm not the guy that said I

1135
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 11: want to be a dictator on day one. I'm not

1136
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,720
Speaker 11: the guy that refused to accept the outcome of the election.

1137
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 11: I'm not the guy who said that one accept the

1138
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:09,879
Speaker 11: outcome of this election automatically. You can't only love your

1139
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 11: country when you win. And so the focus was on

1140
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 11: what he's saying, and I mean the idea.

1141
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 10: But have you taken a step back and done a

1142
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 10: little soul searching on things that you may have said

1143
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 10: that could incite people who are not balanced.

1144
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 12: Well, I don't think.

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00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 11: Look, how do you talk about the threat to democracy,

1146
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:39,720
Speaker 11: which is real when a President says things like he says,

1147
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:41,439
Speaker 11: do you just not say Anthim?

1148
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 12: He's a man insite somebody. Look, I.

1149
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 11: Have not engaged in that rhetoric. Now my opponent's engaged

1150
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 11: in that rhetoric. He talks about to be a bloodbat

1151
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,760
Speaker 11: if he loses, talking about how he's going to forgive

1152
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 11: all the Actually, I guess suspend the sentences of all

1153
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 11: those who were arrested and sentenced to go to jail

1154
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 11: because of what happened in the capitol. I'm not out

1155
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 11: there making fun of like I remember the picture of

1156
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 11: Donald Trump when Nancy Pelosi's husband hip with the hammer

1157
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 11: going talking about joking about it.

1158
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Speaker 3: So what do you make of that? Ryan?

1159
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 2: This is part of why it's annoying me on Biden,

1160
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 2: the two facedness of it. I think it's fine to

1161
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 2: engage in normal political rhetoric and criticize one another.

1162
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 3: It's an election.

1163
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 2: We have massive differences between these two parties. But then

1164
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 2: he's also speaking a little bit out of the out

1165
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Speaker 2: of the side of his mouth.

1166
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Speaker 3: What do you think.

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00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, he kind of apologized for the bullseye at first,

1168
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 1: and then he sort of seemed to be apologizing for

1169
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: not saying crosshairs, which which is the more accurate phrase

1170
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: than bullseye there, but then by the end of it

1171
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: he was defending it, and I think by the end

1172
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Speaker 1: of it that's where you and I both agree with him.

1173
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: That actually, look, yeah, if you think these things about

1174
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 1: your opponent, then say the things. It's also it's also

1175
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: absurd to think think that the Gabby Giffords shooter looked

1176
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: at an ad that Sarah Palin had put out and

1177
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Speaker 1: was like, Aha, that's interesting, I'm gonna go kill the

1178
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Speaker 1: Gabby Giffords. Yes, And it's also crazy that this twenty

1179
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: year old was just like sitting around and like read

1180
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: a Wall Street Journal leaf of like a private donor

1181
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: call that Biden had where he used the phrase bulls

1182
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: eye and was like, oh, wait, Trump's coming here in

1183
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: a couple of days. I'm going to climb up on

1184
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: the roof and put a bulls eye on him.

1185
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1186
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 3: Like, that's that's just absolutely absurd.

1187
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: Now, Like, does like the the you know, the political

1188
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: heat that has turned up to eleven, you know, make

1189
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Speaker 1: violence more likely.

1190
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Speaker 3: Yes, that's that that's.

1191
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: Obvious, But you're not turning that down by just policing

1192
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: a little bit of kind of rhetoric here.

1193
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,439
Speaker 3: It's it's much more structural and fundamental than that.

1194
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I've always believed that, you know, people say

1195
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 2: this all the time.

1196
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 3: They're like, oh, your rhetoric is encouraging.

1197
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, unless you literally said to go and

1198
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 2: commit violence, I don't believe that people have agency and

1199
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Speaker 2: individual responsibility for their actions. How many times have people

1200
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 2: accused us of saying like, oh, you guys have anti

1201
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 2: semites in your comments. What am I supposed to do

1202
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 2: about that? I'm controlling the comments section. It's a free country,

1203
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 2: last time I checked. I don't agree with it, wish

1204
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 2: you wouldn't say it, but I'm not gonna be like, oh,

1205
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 2: you gotta ban him or some guilt by association bullshit.

1206
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 2: And we say that all the time too. There's no

1207
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 2: control who over here, you know, by the way, to

1208
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 2: those people don't watch it all right, you don't get

1209
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 2: rid of I don't care get lost. But even with that,

1210
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 2: you know, the guilt by association connection is a top

1211
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 2: tried and true media tactic. And actually that's a good

1212
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 2: segue because I definitely wanted to get your reaction to

1213
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 2: this one. Biden, for some reason sat with the complex

1214
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 2: YouTube channel and was asked about Israel. Is always funny

1215
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:50,919
Speaker 2: to Presidential candidates often reveal the most with interviewers who

1216
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 2: give them tons of rope to hang themselves because there's

1217
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 2: no pushback or anything, and then they say some of

1218
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 2: the craziest stuff.

1219
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 4: So let's take a listen to what he had to say.

1220
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Speaker 13: And support for Israel has been unwavering. During the debate.

1221
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 13: You said that we are the biggest producer of support

1222
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,919
Speaker 13: for Israel of anyone in the world. You also said

1223
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 13: that we're providing Israel with all the weapons they need

1224
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:15,479
Speaker 13: and when they need them. Back in April, twenty six

1225
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 13: billion dollars in aid was sent or was it proved

1226
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 13: to be sent to Israel?

1227
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Speaker 12: Why I said defensive weapons.

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01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 11: I denied them offensive weapons that are using two thousand

1229
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 11: pound bombs and the rest because I made it real

1230
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 11: clear they cannot use weapons that we provide them to

1231
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 11: in fact use in civilian areas.

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Speaker 12: And that's why I put together this plan.

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Speaker 13: My question, though, is why is your end United States

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01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 13: at the current moments support for Israel so strong.

1235
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 12: Look Israel.

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Speaker 11: If there weren't in Israel, every Jew in the world

1237
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 11: be at risk, Every Jew in the world be at risk,

1238
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 11: and so there's a need for it to be strong,

1239
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 11: the need for Israel to be able to have after

1240
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 11: World War two thesly the ability for Jews to have

1241
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 11: a place that was their own where you don't have

1242
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 11: to be a Jew to be a Zionist. And the

1243
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 11: Zionist is about whether or not Israel is a safe

1244
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 11: haven for Jews because of their history of how they've

1245
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 11: been persecuted.

1246
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 13: Are you a Zionist?

1247
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 12: Yes?

1248
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 11: Now, now you'll be able to make a lot out

1249
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 11: of that because people don't know the Zionists.

1250
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 12: Do you know what the Zionis is?

1251
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 3: I just asked questions out a way answer.

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01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 11: By the way, I'm the guy who did more for

1253
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 11: the Palestinian community anybody. I'm the guy that opened up

1254
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 11: all the assets. I'm the guy that made that sure

1255
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 11: that I got the Egyptians opened the border to let

1256
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 11: good goods to medicine and food. And but what's happening

1257
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 11: is and I'm the guy who's been able to pull

1258
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 11: together the Arab States to help agree to help the

1259
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 11: Palestinians with food and shelter, and so it's not I

1260
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 11: mean I have been I have been very supportive of

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Speaker 11: the Palestinians.

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01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 12: But Hamas are a bunch of thugs.

1263
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 11: Hamas is not worthy to I was over there about

1264
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 11: eight days after the massacre, saw photographs of mothers and

1265
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 11: daughters being tied in a rope together, the kerosene point

1266
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 11: of the head and the burn to death. Nothing's happened

1267
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 11: like that since the Holocaust, and it's just not appropriate.

1268
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 13: By the measure of your support for Israel, Why would

1269
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 13: a Muslim or an Arab American vote for you for

1270
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 13: real life?

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01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 11: The same reason why Arab Americans and the region support me.

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01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 11: The same reason why. Because it's the best way to

1273
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 11: keep peace, the best way to put things together, to

1274
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 11: make sure that there is a two state solution in

1275
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Speaker 11: the region. And I've been a strong supporter of that,

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01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 11: and everything I've done has been I've gotten significant support

1277
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Speaker 11: from Arab countries in the region.

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01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 12: Well.

1279
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Speaker 11: For Look, the idea here is that, for example, I

1280
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:09,479
Speaker 11: got a call from the Saudiast they want to fully

1281
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 11: recognize Israel in return if the United States will give

1282
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 11: them a guarantee that they will provide weapons if they're

1283
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Speaker 11: attacked by other Arab nation, that the one just around

1284
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 11: the corner, and that we'd allow them to we would

1285
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Speaker 11: put a civilian nuclear facility there, we'd operate, our military,

1286
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 11: we'd operated, so they can move away from fossil fuels.

1287
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Speaker 11: That's a big game changer in the whole region. I've

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Speaker 11: worked with Alcesi of Egypt, I've worked with the King

1289
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 11: of Jordan as a friend. So I've been able to

1290
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 11: work with the Arab countries very well. And I don't

1291
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 11: have a prejudice bone in my body.

1292
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Speaker 12: The Arabs are good people. They need help now.

1293
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Speaker 3: All right, So what'd you make of that?

1294
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Speaker 6: Ryan?

1295
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 2: He's done more for the Palestinians than everybody and out

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Speaker 2: of jew in the world, be safe.

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Speaker 3: That's one of his favorite lines, isn't it?

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Speaker 1: He often and he often uses that line, and you

1299
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Speaker 1: often hear people saying, like, we have six seven million

1300
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 1: Jewish Americans here, isn't it your job as president to

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Speaker 1: make sure that they're safe? Like you're you're just going

1302
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 1: to completely outsource that. It's it's a it's an atrocious

1303
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: way to think, you and you can't imagine it working

1304
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 1: Like I mean, it falls apart just on its own.

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Speaker 1: You don't even need to compare it uh to to

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Speaker 1: anything else. But you know, if it is true that

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Speaker 1: he's done more for Palestinians than anybody else in the world.

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Speaker 1: Then you know, you really have to fear for the

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Speaker 1: Palestinians that things have not gone well for them there.

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Speaker 1: At the same same time, what he's talking about is,

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Speaker 1: you know, putting pressure on Israel to allow more aid in.

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Speaker 3: But since the.

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Speaker 1: Invasion of rafa Uh, the already insufficient aid has collapsed,

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Speaker 1: you know, close to zero up, and the situation has

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Speaker 1: only gotten that much dire And meanwhile it has just

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Speaker 1: completely fallen off a cliff when it comes to at

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Speaker 1: least American attention.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is also interesting to me about beyond the policy.

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01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 2: Just notice how quiet he is when he talks. You

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01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 2: can see the age is just shining through. It's funny

1321
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 2: because in his head he thinks he's doing everybody a

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Speaker 2: favor through these press conferences and these interviews, and it's

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01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 2: like nobody disputes your ability to ramble and rattle off facts.

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01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 2: It's that while you're doing that, it's like you're whispering constantly.

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01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 2: The coughing, the stutters, the confusion about what is happening.

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Speaker 2: These aren't an ideal environment. That's as good as it

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Speaker 2: gets for a presidential interview. Just so people know, zero pushback,

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Speaker 2: zero interview. You know, basically no offense to the guy.

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Speaker 2: But I'm not one hundred percent sur he really even

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01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 2: knew what he was talking about there whenever he's pressing

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01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 2: him on some of the issues, and so even in

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Speaker 2: that Biden is showing lots of issues. Final thing on

1333
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 2: the Democratic point, let's put this up there on the screen,

1334
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 2: is that Nancy Pelosi is apparently making calls and working

1335
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Speaker 2: the phone to try and find a way to ease

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Speaker 2: him off of the ticket. She quote told by people

1337
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 2: familiar with the exchangency of stage managed phone call. Sir

1338
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 2: Jeffreys plotted strategies some of the biggest names in democratic

1339
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 2: politics and told a former elected official blunt leave Biden's

1340
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 2: legacy can't be destroying their party. So final thoughts, Ryan,

1341
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 2: what do you think of this? Will it be successful?

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01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 2: I don't really think so, but it does give some

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Speaker 2: color to the interview she gave where she opened the

1344
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Speaker 2: space to get rid of Biden.

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Speaker 1: Right, She's working it hard and she's still very powerful.

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01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 1: Stan Greenberg an ally of hers. It was reported by

1347
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 1: this good CNN report that Stan Greenberg has been pulling

1348
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Speaker 1: his hair out, trying to get is a D triple

1349
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Speaker 1: C polster like you know, centrist like the establishment figure

1350
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Speaker 1: and good standing. He has all of the analysis of

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01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 1: why by and can't win and why they need to

1352
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 1: replace them that he's just trying to He's just trying

1353
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 1: to puncture the bubble of Biden's inner circle, and the

1354
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 1: rhetoric is turning to and the strategy is turning to

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Speaker 1: reminding his in the inner circle.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know that they are complicit in this and that

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01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 1: if they continue pushes forward, they're going to pay a

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01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 1: price as well. Biden won't have much of a price

1360
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 1: to pay, you know, his well we'll see how long

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01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 1: he has to pay that price. But his aids, many

1362
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Speaker 1: of them you want to work in Democratic Party politics,

1363
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 1: you know the rest of their careers and people are there,

1364
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Speaker 1: they're being reminded, you know, they're putting that in jeopardy.

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Speaker 4: Yes, well, all right, we'll see, Uh.

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Speaker 2: Programming note, guys, just scheduling wise, We're going to go

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Speaker 2: ahead and get to our interview with Bradley Moss. Don't worry,

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Speaker 2: you won't be hard up for RFK news, as Emily

1369
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 2: is literally sitting down with him today for an interview,

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Speaker 2: So we will have that interview emailed out to all

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Speaker 2: of our premium subscribers and uploaded to our channel. So

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Speaker 2: RFK News being tabled on this story. Uh, the the

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Speaker 2: RFK news for this story be tabled, but she will

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Speaker 2: be doing that interviewing. We'll bring it to everybody else.

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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and get to the documents. Turning now

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Speaker 2: to the document's dismissal, we have Brad MOS's friend of

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01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:12,919
Speaker 2: the show joining us. Good to see you man, Thank.

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Speaker 3: You for coming.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely good more.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely Okay, So let's talk about this dismissal and just

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Speaker 2: explain the basics of what's happening here. Let's put this

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Speaker 2: up there on the screen. The judge, Florida Judge Eileen

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Speaker 2: Cannon has dismissed the Trump Classified Documents case on the

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Speaker 2: grounds that Special Counsels Jack Smith's office, according to her,

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01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 2: is unconstitutional. Can you give us the legal rationale for

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Speaker 2: the judge's decision and some of the background that led

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Speaker 2: to this dismissal.

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Speaker 6: Sure, So this is a strictly procedural issue.

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Speaker 14: None of this has to deal with the merits of

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01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 14: what was alleged against Donald Trump or his code of fendants.

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01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 14: The premise of the challenge was that the Office of

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Speaker 14: Special Counsel the appointment of Jack Smith, is not permissible

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Speaker 14: in its current structure on under what are called the

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01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,600
Speaker 14: appointment's clause and the appropriation's.

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01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 6: Clauses in the US Constitution.

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Speaker 14: The basic idea is that Jack Smith is not a

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Speaker 14: proper inferior officer, as it's termed. He's too independent from

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01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 14: Merrick Garland and Joe Biden, He's not properly placed in

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Speaker 14: that position, and that Congress did not delegate to the

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Speaker 14: Justice Department the ability to create this position and put

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01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:28,839
Speaker 14: Jack Smith there. It's not concluding that the Just Department

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01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 14: otherwise couldn't have brought this case. It's simply saying Jack

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01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 14: Smith's and Jack Smith's office is not permissible under these

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01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:39,680
Speaker 14: constitutional provisions. It had to been brought by the Justice

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Speaker 14: Department or through a proper legislative appointment. It can't be

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01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 14: done this way, and the funding he was relying upon

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Speaker 14: is impermissible. This ruling flies in the face of twenty

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Speaker 14: years of institutional president and case law, flies in the

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Speaker 14: face of what came out of the Mueller cases when

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Speaker 14: there were similar challenges.

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Speaker 6: But this is what Judge Cannon.

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Speaker 1: Concludeday, is it as absurd as it sounds? Is there

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Speaker 1: is there anything to this? Because I mean, this would

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Speaker 1: see the other case tossed out.

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Speaker 3: It just sounds ridiculous. But I'm not a lawyer. Is

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01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 3: it ridiculous?

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Speaker 6: So here's the thing.

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Speaker 14: Lawyers don't ever like to say something is completely ridiculous

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01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:19,759
Speaker 14: unless they're brazenly biased.

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Speaker 6: I'll say it's out there. It's a rogue decision in

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Speaker 6: my view.

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Speaker 14: Can I say that this Supreme Court would just laid

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Speaker 14: out that really wild immunity ruling two weeks ago, won't.

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Speaker 6: Back this up?

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Speaker 14: Who the heck knows? I'll say there's no precedent for

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Speaker 14: what she concluded. Muller, who was a private citizen at

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Speaker 14: the time he was brought in, was challenged by.

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Speaker 6: The exact same provisions.

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Speaker 14: Both the District Court and the DC Circuit rejected those challenges.

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Speaker 14: These every single one of these appointments over the last

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Speaker 14: twenty years since the regulations were put in place in

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Speaker 14: the aftermath of the Independent Council Statute, all those appointments

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01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 14: were challenged. All of those challenges were rejected. Judge Cannon

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Speaker 14: has basically relied upon various dissenting opinions from just this

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Speaker 14: is Alito and Thomas in different Supreme Court rulings to

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Speaker 14: try to craft her rationale. This will now go to

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Speaker 14: the Eleventh Circuit. The Eleventh Circuits already rejected Judge Cannon

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Speaker 14: now analysis on mission issues twice.

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Speaker 6: We're going to see what they think of this analysis.

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Speaker 2: So, Brad, we saw there was one clip. Crystal flagged

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Speaker 2: this actually and wanted to ask you about it. Maybe

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Speaker 2: we can play it for you. It's Barbara mcquaide. She's

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Speaker 2: a lawyer talking about how this could be quote, a

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Speaker 2: blessing in disguise.

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Speaker 3: Let's play it. I want to get your reaction.

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Speaker 15: Well, look, I think it's a terrible decision. I think

1447
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,800
Speaker 15: it's absolutely wrong on the merits. But going forward, I

1448
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:36,839
Speaker 15: think this could actually be a blessing in disguise because

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01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 15: it gives Jack Smith an opportunity to appeal the case immediately.

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Speaker 15: So many of these other decisions were within the judge's

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01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 15: discretion as she was slow walking the case. But this

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01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 15: is one where it's immediately appealable, and I think she

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01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:52,759
Speaker 15: is so clearly wrong on the law that the Eleventh

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Speaker 15: Circuit will reverse.

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Speaker 3: Now Donald Trump.

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Speaker 15: Probably goes to the Supreme Court, and we have to

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Speaker 15: wait for a decision there. But even if ultimately the

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Speaker 15: Supreme Court rules in favor of Donald Trump, the case

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Speaker 15: is not over all. That means is a special Council

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Speaker 15: can't bring this case. There is nothing then to stop

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Speaker 15: the US Attorney in the Southern District of Florida from

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Speaker 15: bringing this case. Now, certainly it means lengthy delay. There

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Speaker 15: will be no trial before the election. But I think

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Speaker 15: we were headed in that direction anyway. He could even

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Speaker 15: decide the Justice Department to take this out of the

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Speaker 15: Special Council's hands and go directly to the US Attorney's

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Speaker 15: Office for the Southern District of Florida, refile the case immediately,

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Speaker 15: and get back on track, perhaps with a different judge.

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Speaker 3: So what do you make of that? And that argument?

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Speaker 14: So most of what she said is basically accurate in

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Speaker 14: the sense that this will get a peal of eleven Circuit.

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Speaker 14: I fully expect Eleventh Circuit to reverse. I have no

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Speaker 14: idea what the Supreme Court will say. I'm skeptical that,

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Speaker 14: at least for now, especially in the next few months,

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Speaker 14: that the Justice Department is going to try to refile

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01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 14: the case through the US Attorney's office or anything like that.

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Speaker 6: It would look brazenly political. There's no to it.

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01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,440
Speaker 14: There's not going to be a trial before the election anyways.

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01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 14: This will still have to play out over the coming months.

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Speaker 14: But putting that part aside, the just Department as a whole,

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Speaker 14: as an institution, isn't going to want to just lay

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Speaker 14: down and accept the idea that Judge Cannon decides that

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01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:21,519
Speaker 14: twenty years of established institutional and legal precedent is thrown

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Speaker 14: out the window when it comes to special counsels.

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Speaker 6: This is what they've done. This is what they put

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Speaker 6: into place after.

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01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:29,759
Speaker 14: The Independent Council days and the wild days of Ken Starr.

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Speaker 14: They wanted to have an established process that kept it

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Speaker 14: in house. They're going to want to fight this up,

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Speaker 14: at least to the Supreme Court. We'll see what Supreme

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Speaker 14: Court says. If the Supreme Court says otherwise, then is.

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Speaker 6: A whole new ballgame. We'll see what Justice does at

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Speaker 6: that point.

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Speaker 3: Got it now?

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Speaker 6: One question just.

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Speaker 1: Curious what the kind of politics of the judiciary are here.

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Speaker 1: What is how does it benefit a judge like an

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Speaker 1: Eileen Cannon and not maybe not talk specifically about her,

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Speaker 1: but how does it benefit a judge like Eileen Cannon

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Speaker 1: to be so far out there, you know, against precedent,

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Speaker 1: like what does this do for a judge's kind of

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Speaker 1: politics as they're trying to rise up through the ranks.

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Speaker 14: So it's always the idea of, you know, the feverish descent,

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Speaker 14: someone who's trying to craft a new way of approaching

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Speaker 14: these legal policies, saying I know this is how you've

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Speaker 14: always done. It doesn't mean it's right. I have a

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Speaker 14: different ideological and constitutional analysis that I believe is appropriate here.

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Speaker 14: I'm going to strike out here and outline what I

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Speaker 14: believe to be the correct interpretation. Even if she gets overruled,

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Speaker 14: which I expect she will, it lines her up on

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Speaker 14: the idea kind of what you're hinting at, that a

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Speaker 14: future Republican president, whether it's Donald Trump or somebody else,

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Speaker 14: might look at her as someone who views the Constitution

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Speaker 14: and the authorities outlined there more along that sort of

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Speaker 14: unitary executive style and less along those bureaucratic state of

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Speaker 14: what we've seen over the last two to three decades.

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Speaker 14: It goes back to the idea that Donald Trump will

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Speaker 14: pushed that everything runs through him. The Office of the

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Speaker 14: President can hire and fire the special counsel at any time,

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Speaker 14: and that all these regulations mean nothing. It all comes

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01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 14: down to Article two and nothing more.

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01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 3: Got it.

1523
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:13,640
Speaker 2: Well, very interested to see how this goes and the

1524
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:15,560
Speaker 2: eleven circond eventually to scot Is.

1525
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 3: My final question is just on timing.

1526
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 2: This thing was already getting kicked, right, Brad, This is

1527
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 2: just going to extend this even if it does get

1528
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,679
Speaker 2: brought eventually to trial. What dates are we even looking

1529
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:26,839
Speaker 2: at now? Twenty twenty five, twenty twenty six.

1530
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:29,639
Speaker 14: You're probably looking at twenty twenty five, and that's only

1531
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:33,799
Speaker 14: if Donald Trump loses. If Donald Trump wins, these cases,

1532
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 14: the DC case and the Florida case are gone. They're

1533
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 14: going to be dismissed immediately upon him entering office. And

1534
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 14: then all we've got left is the Georgia case, which

1535
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 14: is a whole slew of problems of how to handle

1536
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 14: a state prosecution of an in common president.

1537
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 10: But if he.

1538
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 14: Loses, you're looking at both those cases sometime in twenty

1539
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 14: twenty five. Who knows exactly when there's a slew of

1540
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 14: pre trial issue still the flesh out, got it?

1541
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 2: Well, We appreciate it as always, Brad, thank you for

1542
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 2: joining us of course anytime. Thank you guys so much

1543
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 2: for joining us. We appreciate it. As I said, my

1544
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 2: wedding is on Saturday. By the way, for those who

1545
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:08,639
Speaker 2: are confused, Yes, I had an Indian ceremony last year.

1546
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:11,959
Speaker 2: That was just for my family in India, my grandparents.

1547
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 2: I'm glad I did it because one of my grandparents

1548
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 2: actually died, my grandfather, just two days ago, so very

1549
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 2: got lucky on the timing, not necessarily for that Indian ceremony.

1550
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 2: My US wedding, friend's family and everybody will be on Saturday,

1551
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 2: so I'm going to be off until next Wednesday. Luckily,

1552
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:30,640
Speaker 2: Ryan and Emily will be filling in on Thursday and

1553
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 2: they'll bring everybody the news. We'll keep everybody updated on Crystal.

1554
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:37,760
Speaker 2: We're hoping and that everything is going to be okay there,

1555
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 2: but we expect it to be. Just bear with us

1556
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 2: and we'll get you the news as fast as we

1557
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 2: possibly can.

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01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 4: We love you and we will see you all later.