1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. I'm welcome to stuff. 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 1: Will never told your prediction of iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 2: Oh and this is gonna be a fun episode, I 4 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 2: hope as a short one. But we in a very 5 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: patriarchal world. We often see women at the bottom of 6 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 2: the social hierarchy, economical too, all those things and left 7 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 2: behind because it is an assumption that women have their 8 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 2: really just one place, and that's oftentimes in the home, 9 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 2: serving their husbands or men in general. But when you 10 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: look into the details, you find some wonderful treasures in 11 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 2: the form of stories or legends that talk about the 12 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: way women in the marginalized community often help their community 13 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 2: survive through the hard times and even change the course 14 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 2: of how we got here today. And a lot of 15 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 2: what we know about the past, we get all of 16 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 2: that and lovely treasures and those little groves of are like, 17 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 2: look at that story. We need to talk about this more, 18 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: and today we are exploring one such story slash legend 19 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 2: slash group that still does exist specifically to South Korea. 20 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 2: It's the older group of women or mostly older group 21 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 2: of women known as the Haino, and the Haino or 22 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 2: sea women are largely again made up of older women 23 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 2: from the Jju Islands in South Korea, a big hot 24 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: spot for tourism if you're on any South Korean TikTok 25 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 2: at all, and these legendary women are seen as some 26 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 2: of the most respected people. 27 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 3: Of the island. 28 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 2: Being a part of their crew is seen as an 29 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 2: honor today. Now, of course, they've been around for a while, 30 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 2: so this level of honor came much later. So the 31 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 2: Haynos are a community of women free divers who work 32 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 2: and live on Jju Island, and we're focusing on j Island, 33 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 2: but there are other places that the Hanos have popped 34 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 2: up or have been. They just I guess haven't really 35 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: talked about it, and they weren't originated from there, so 36 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: we will talk about them a little bit later. But 37 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 2: for the most part, that's that's where they're located. So 38 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 2: here's some information from Kyotojournal dot org. They dive as 39 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: deep as ten meters below the surface without the help 40 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:25,399 Speaker 2: of air tanks or modern diving equipment, with little insulation 41 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 2: from the cold South China Sea, and then the a 42 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 2: little more information from a recent Evoke article about the 43 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: Hainos in recent meaning January twenty twenty four. The Haino, 44 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 2: who are part of South Korea's UNESCO Cultural Heritage Protection status, 45 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 2: have been practicing muljiu, the Korean word that refers to 46 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: their diving activities, since at least the sixth century AD. 47 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 2: According to records, muljil requires an intimate knowledge of the 48 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 2: ocean and its physics, as well as superior physical fitness. 49 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 2: Divers would often stay underwater for up to three minutes 50 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 2: without the help of any modern dive equipment, a feat 51 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 2: that tests their lung capacity and ability to fill and 52 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: withstand water pressure, as well as estimate ocean depths. 53 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: Yes, and it is within these ocean depths that they 54 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 1: are able to collect different foods and supplements for their 55 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 1: community and for their livelihoods. Here's some more information from 56 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 1: Heytera Travel Journal. Hanyo our sea women have for centuries 57 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: been the primary divers in Korean culture. During the sixteen hundreds, 58 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: as men were increasingly drawn away to war and conquest, 59 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: women were left behind to provide for their families and communities. Eventually, 60 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: they became known as Korea's first working moms. The reversal 61 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: of traditional gender roles made Heinyo an outlier in the 62 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: country's traditionally patriarchal society, and diving became exclusively female. The 63 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: work these women do, I had read is perilous, most 64 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: of them over the age of sixty. They submerged themselves 65 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: into oftentimes freezing conditions for six hours a day, holding 66 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: their breath for minutes at a time to plug abaloni, clam, seaweed, 67 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: sea cucumber, sea urchin, and squid from the bottom of 68 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: the strait. As the article states, the Heinos are first 69 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: mentioned in the sixteen hundreds, when many speculate that men 70 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 1: were originally doing the diving as well, and they were 71 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: called into the army or had died, which left only 72 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 1: women to do the diving. It seemed that the ruler 73 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: at the time demanded a lot from the people, including 74 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: a tribute of delicious seafood such as abalone. There is 75 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: speculation that they also imposed attacks on men for their earnings. 76 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: Here's a bit from Oceanographic Magazine quote. The Haino or 77 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: women of the Sea, are an icon of South Korea, 78 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 1: a unique culture found on the island of Jaiju. The 79 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: women have been in charge of diving for seafood to 80 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: provide for their families since the seventeenth century, when many 81 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: of the men were either conscripted to the army or 82 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: had lost their lives at sea while fishing. Additionally, the 83 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: Korean ruler at that time had imposed heavy taxes on 84 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: the earnings of men, but exempted the labor of women. 85 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,359 Speaker 1: The women folk of the island had no choice but 86 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: to become the main breadwinners of their families. This evolved 87 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: into a system where only girls were trained to perform 88 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:22,239 Speaker 1: the dangerous free diving work of the Haino to harvest 89 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: items such as avaloni, conch, seaweed, sea urchin, and octopus 90 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: from the ocean floor. 91 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: So for many this new occupation was an empowering road. 92 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 2: And here's a quote from sidetrack dot com. The Haino 93 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 2: culture sprung up during a time when oppressive legislation was 94 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 2: forced upon Korean women. Women should be limited to domestic 95 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 2: work and the care of children. They had no access 96 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 2: to education, no right to inheritance. They were discouraged from 97 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 2: walking in public spaces. When they did, their faces should 98 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 2: be hidden by a veil. Divorce procedures could only be 99 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 2: initiated by men. Husbands could abandon their wives should they 100 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 2: fail to bear a male child. Unshackled and free. The 101 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 2: Hano have stood as paragons for female empowerment, and like 102 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 2: most of the World warren oppression has been a factor 103 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 2: with its continued decreasing of numbers of Hainos, as there 104 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 2: are less and less of them as the years go by. 105 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 2: So here's some more information from that sidetracked article. The 106 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 2: Haino reached their peak at the end of the nineteen fifties. 107 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 2: In nineteen forty five, the USA and USSR liberated Korea 108 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 2: from Japanese oppression, but began using the peninsula as a 109 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 2: pawn in the Cold War. The Korean people woke from 110 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,359 Speaker 2: their colonial nightmare to find themselves politically divided by the 111 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 2: thirty eighth parallel to the north communist interests led by 112 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 2: Soviet Russia to the south, a territory aligned to capitalists America. 113 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 2: The Korean War from nineteen fifty nineteen fifty three consolidated 114 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 2: the former occupied zones into two separate countries at the 115 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 2: high cost of more than three million lives and the 116 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 2: destruction of their basic infrastructure. Despite its relative isolation, JG 117 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 2: was not spared from these hard times. Violence, unemployment, famine, 118 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 2: and sts took over the island, as well as another 119 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:07,239 Speaker 2: exodus of young adult males. However, an economic upsearch followed. 120 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 2: In between nineteen sixty five and the nineteen seventy the 121 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 2: number of Haino decreased from twenty three thousand, eighty one 122 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 2: to fourteen thousand, one hundred and forty three. Today, only 123 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 2: around four thousand, five hundred are still active. Most Hanos 124 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 2: are now between sixty five and seventy five years of age. 125 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 2: Despite government incentives such as promoting annual festivals and building 126 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 2: a museum and a school for the Reinho, a few 127 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: young women are willing to embrace the lifestyle of their grandmothers. 128 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: Since then, the culture and legend of the Hainos have 129 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: gained more and more attention and revelry. In fact, the 130 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: Kyoto Journal even talked about it helping establish a semi 131 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: matriarchal society. They write quote the Haino have elevated social 132 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: status and in otherwise patriarchal South Korea. But it is 133 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: unclear why free diving became a female dominated profession on JJ. 134 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: Explanations range from men dying in deep sea fishing accidents 135 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: or wars, to physiological reasons. For example, women's fat reserves, 136 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: supposedly making them more resistant to cold water. Historically, so 137 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: many families depended on the income of the heino that 138 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: a semimatriarchal society developed in Jaju. It was not unheard 139 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: of for women to be the main breadwinners while men 140 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: would stay home and take care of the children. One 141 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: way in which non standard gender roles were manifested was 142 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: through the payment of dowry to the family of the 143 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: bride instead of the groom. Unlike families in mainland South Korea, 144 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: families on Jaiju would wish for the birth of baby 145 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: girls rather than boys, which. 146 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 2: Is fun fast, fascinating and though the original divers may 147 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 2: have started in four hundred and thirty four AD, the 148 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 2: traditions and practices changed as the people who took over 149 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 2: changed from men to more women in the seventeenth century. Historically, 150 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 2: the practice would be passed down from mother to daughter, 151 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 2: starting at the age about ten or eleven, but things 152 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 2: change and the numbers have changed since then. So here's 153 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 2: a bit more information from a Financial Times article. Traditionally 154 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 2: a job handed down from mother to daughter. Hanyo life 155 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 2: has been shunned in recent decades by nearly all the 156 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 2: girls born in Jaju's seaside villages, which have tended to 157 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 2: favor more comfortable lives in the islands two cities or 158 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 2: on the mainland. For more than fourteen thousand in the 159 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 2: nineteen seventies, the number of hanos has dwindled to fewer 160 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 2: than four thy five hundred today. So there are levels 161 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 2: that the Hano use for their expertise, and in order 162 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 2: to be a part of one, it does take the 163 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 2: villager's approval to get to that point. So here's some 164 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 2: more information from wonder Wisdom dot com. Becoming a Hanyo 165 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 2: also is not an easy task. A new recruit has 166 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 2: to earn a yes vote from every woman in their village. 167 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 2: It can take up to five years for any woman 168 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 2: to reach an expert level after crossing various levels like 169 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 2: Sengun or novice Jungan, which is a middle level and 170 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 2: Hagen expert level. A Hagun can reach depth of more 171 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 2: than thirty feet, can stay more than two minutes underwater 172 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 2: at a. 173 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: Time, and some additional information thanks to Oceanographic Magazine quote. 174 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: This evolved into a system where only girls were trained 175 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: to perform the dangerous free diving work of the haino 176 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: to harvest items such as abalony, conch, seaweed, sea urchin, 177 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: and octopus from the ocean floor. To become a hano 178 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: is indeed a dangerous and tiring path. These women train 179 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: from the age of ten or younger to dive to 180 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: depths of up to twenty meters and hold their breath 181 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: for up to two minutes underwater. They dive with no 182 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: protective equipment other than their wetsuits, clippers, goggles, and weighted 183 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: vest or belts to help them dive deeper. Lives can 184 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: and have been lost during these dives, right. 185 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 2: I think I read one article when a woman was 186 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 2: talking about how in the last I think like ten 187 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 2: to I want to say, five maybe five years, maybe 188 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 2: ten years, so they had lost fourteen people. 189 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 4: Wow. 190 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 2: And of course they talk about whether it's like the 191 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 2: pressure underneath and causing heart attacks or just losing them, 192 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 2: and like there're so many things. But I was like, dang, 193 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 2: that's all well for a small village, that's a lot. 194 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 4: Yeah. 195 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,959 Speaker 2: So of course, with all the traditions and dangers, they 196 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 2: do all of this with love and respect for their environment. 197 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 2: We were researching these amazing groups of women, most of 198 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 2: them talked about what they do with a lot of 199 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 2: respect for their land and their area, and they talk 200 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 2: about the need of sustainability and safeguarding the ecosystem. So 201 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 2: Young Meet talks about it specifically to UNESCO. We're going 202 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 2: to talk more about their articles because they celebrate all 203 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 2: the women there. As j Juhanio, we adhere to a 204 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 2: small but essential rule. We avoid over harvesting. We respect 205 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 2: seasonal and size restrictions for marine products. For instance, during 206 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 2: the abalone season, we only gather those that are at 207 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 2: least seven centimeters in size. Similarly, when catching conch, they 208 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 2: must be over seven centimeters long. If we cannot assess 209 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 2: their size underwater, we check after surfacing and returned under 210 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 2: sized specimens to the sea, allowing them to grow naturally. 211 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 2: This approach ensures that we harvest marine products in a 212 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 2: sustainable manner as they continue to thrive and contribute to 213 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 2: the ecosystem. 214 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: And beyond just being conscientious of their harvesting, they actually 215 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,839 Speaker 1: collect garbage in order to restore the water. Here's a 216 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 1: quote from goodyeworld dot com. As part of their civic responsibility, 217 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: Younger Hanyo regularly dive into the sea to extract garbage, plastics, 218 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: fishing nets, bottles, cans, oyster traps, styrofoam, and other human litter. Tourism, 219 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: over development, a naval base, and plans for a second 220 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 1: airport also threaten their survival. In pre COVID years, soul 221 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 1: Jju consistently ranked as the world's busiest air route, with 222 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: an average of nearly two hundred flights per day. Unfazed 223 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: by the attention of tourists and the media for their prowess, 224 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: Haino views themselves simply as ordinary workers. Their propitious legacy 225 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:00,719 Speaker 1: is best summed up by oceanographer Sylvia A. Earle. If 226 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: we failed to take care of the ocean, nothing else matters. 227 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: No ocean know us. We need to protect the ocean 228 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: the same way we protect the land. The ocean is 229 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: the galaxy of life. 230 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 2: Right And just so y'all know, there's a lot of research, 231 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 2: I mean legitimate research papers based on what the heynos 232 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 2: have done and helping the ecosystem and helping to protect 233 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 2: the ecosystem. 234 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 3: As well as the way that they breathe. 235 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 2: They have actually gone out of their way to see 236 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 2: what makes them so different and how they're able to 237 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,559 Speaker 2: handle the temperatures as well as going underwater and surviving 238 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 2: without equipment like oxygen and speaking of just to add 239 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 2: to the hard coordinates to it, if you are using 240 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 2: scuba gear or oxygen, that's cheating. That's what they told 241 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 2: one reporter when they were like, why don't you do 242 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 2: these new equipments And they're like, oh, no, that's cheating. 243 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 2: Why would we do that? And this again our sixty 244 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 2: five to eighty five year old women. And it wasn't 245 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 2: until the seventies that they decided not to use sojungi 246 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 2: or muldruk sum or essentially cotton swim suits and from 247 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 2: what I gather. 248 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 3: Is like long, robish type of outfits. 249 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 2: And they started actually wearing wetsuits to protect themselves. And 250 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 2: with that, I think we already mentioned, but they would 251 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 2: have diving masks. Sometimes they would wear fins, they would 252 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 2: wear gloves, chest weights, and often the ones that like 253 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 2: oh that could cause cancer, that type of metal You 254 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 2: sure you want to use that? They're like, yeah, it's fine, 255 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 2: really just like eh. And then a weeding hoe and 256 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 2: a net attached to a flotation device. And I have 257 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 2: a feeling that some of my K drama people have 258 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 2: seen this welcome to someone Dari I think is one 259 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 2: that's specifically talking about Jju Island and the Hanyos and some. 260 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: Like tragedy of that. 261 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 3: And then our Blues has them too, and they were mean. 262 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 2: They are a click apparently, but they do it because 263 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 2: they have to keep each other safe. That they don't 264 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 2: trust each other, then they can't do it right. So 265 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 2: the all these things, But if you want to talk 266 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 2: about dramatized versions, there's plenty out there, and there's a 267 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 2: lot of actually recent documentaries too, So if you all 268 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 2: want to a little more. 269 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 3: In depth, look at that. 270 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 2: And with that, not just with the k dramas, we 271 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 2: do want to talk about some of the legends and 272 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 2: individual stories that were told, and also some of the 273 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 2: funniest things. If you all, if you want to go 274 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 2: look this up and just look up the Hanyos or 275 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 2: the Korean Sea women, you'll see all these amazing pictures. 276 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 2: Because photographers are so interested about this culture and they 277 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 2: want to preserve it. They're to that point they understand 278 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 2: this is a big deal. But like these women are like, 279 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 2: oh my god, stop asking for my picture. I just 280 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 2: want to go home. I just want to count my food, 281 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 2: Like it is amazing, like this is the harmonies the 282 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 2: Grandma's that. 283 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, that's about right. This is amazing. 284 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 2: But the pictures are beautiful and so interesting to just 285 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 2: look at, so you should definitely take a look. But 286 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 2: with that, yes, we do want to talk about some 287 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 2: of the stories. There are a few that were featured 288 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 2: for the YENESCO articles, and one of them was again 289 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 2: we've already mentioned her, young me Joung. She's a fifty 290 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 2: five year veteran, so not fifty five years old. She's 291 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 2: been in the Hanyo community for fifty five years and 292 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 2: she talks about it. Life as a Hano has its 293 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 2: share of challenges, especially for women. I've faced my own difficulties. 294 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 2: In my case, economic hardships forced me to dive not 295 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 2: only in local waters, but also in places like Japan. 296 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 2: I've dedicated fifty five years to this profession, working tirelessly 297 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 2: to earn a living. It's incredibly gratifying to see our 298 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 2: recognition and appreciation on a global scale now that the 299 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 2: culture of Jiju Haino is inscribed as a UNESCO Heritage Element. 300 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 2: I firmly believe that being a Hano is one of 301 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 2: the best professions for women even without formal education. Personally, 302 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 2: I didn't have much formal education, but I take pride 303 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 2: in what I've learned as a Hano. I have a 304 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 2: daughter and a daughter in law, and my goal is 305 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 2: to pass down this tradition to them, to make them 306 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 2: Hanos as well. I'm committed to ensuring that this invaluable 307 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 2: heritage continues to thrive and be transmitted to future generations. 308 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 2: And she even talks about her own tactics and diving 309 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 2: and says, quote, there are no special technique. My approach 310 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 2: is quite simple. I hold my breath as long as 311 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 2: I can. However, I emphasized to fellow divers not to 312 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 2: push themselves too hard, as overexertion can be life threatening. 313 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 2: The fundamental lesson I have been taught is to do 314 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 2: what we can within our limits, in showing safety above 315 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 2: all else. 316 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: The UNESCO article also talked about Kim Hyung m and 317 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: her story as a Hano. Quote, I decided to become 318 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: a Hano because my mother was also a Hano. After 319 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: my divorce, I found myself raising two children on my own. 320 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: Juggling work and taking care of my kids made it 321 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: challenging to provide them with the care they needed, especially 322 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: when they were sick. So I half jokingly, half seriously 323 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: asked my mother if I could join her in diving. 324 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 1: She mentioned that being a Hano would offer a more 325 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: conducive environment for raising children, so I decided to give 326 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 1: it a try. Of course, working as a Hano is 327 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: physically demanding in the sea, but it gives me the 328 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: flexibility to prioritize my children's well being when necessary. That's 329 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: why I ultimately chose to pursue a career as a heno. 330 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: And she continues specifically addressing the typical question of holding 331 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: her breath underwater. Quote, The question of how long we 332 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 1: can hold our breath underwater is when I frequently encounter 333 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: no matter where I go. While being a Heino demands 334 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: extended periods of breath holding, it's more akin to a marathon. 335 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: Our work as divers often requires us to spend over 336 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: four hours in the sea. When needed, we can hold 337 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,360 Speaker 1: our breath for more than two minutes, but we must 338 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 1: be cautious not to overextend ourselves. If we hold our 339 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: breath for too long, we risk losing our rhythm, which 340 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,959 Speaker 1: can impede our ability to continue working underwater. Typically, our 341 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: breath holding time is around thirty five seconds or so. 342 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: Going beyond that duration can have adverse effects on our 343 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 1: bodies and our work, so we aim to keep it 344 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 1: within that range. And with all of that, she talks 345 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: about her daily routines. Quote. My daily routine as a 346 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: j Ju Heno involves a combination of diving work and 347 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: engaging in cultural and environmental activities. After completing my diving task, 348 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: I dedicate time to practicing hano folk songs, a cultural 349 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 1: tradition deeply rooted in my village. On days when I 350 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 1: don't go diving, I participate in ocean cleanup practices aimed 351 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: at removing debris from the sea and the coastline. In 352 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: addition to being a hano I approached this cleanup work 353 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: with the mindset of preserving and cleaning up our marine environments. 354 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: My village is unique because we place importance on both 355 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 1: our cultural heritage such as folk songs, and environmental conservation. 356 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: This blend of traditions and responsibilities keeps me quite busy 357 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: in my life as a Henio. 358 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to talk about those songs in a minute, 359 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 2: but before that, nothing will slow them down, not even 360 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 2: giving birth. So here's one story from a sixty five 361 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 2: year old veteran Haino from huckmag dot org. A lot 362 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 2: of women continued diving despite health challenges or during pregnancy, 363 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 2: as did several of the women in Bosun's living room. 364 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 3: Which is a person who hosts all the hainyos. 365 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 2: Kim Sunja, sixty five year old even gave birth while 366 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 2: she was at sea during spring. She was picking seaweed 367 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 2: close to the shore and suddenly her water broke and 368 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 2: she had no time to call somebody for help. I 369 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 2: just climbed up the sea shore and gave birth to 370 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 2: my daughter. When the others realized that I was missing, 371 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 2: they found me and helped me back home with my 372 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 2: baby safely. It was quite normal to give birth on 373 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 2: the seashore, she told me, as her three youngest recruits 374 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 2: looked thoroughly surprised. They would never be that calm, they proclaimed. 375 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 2: The older Haino believed they had healthy babies because they 376 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 2: were working in the sea while being pregnant, not a 377 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 2: practice I would want. 378 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: That is tense. That's some times, and age is only 379 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: a number. A bit more from young Mejong, the first 380 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: veteran Haino. We were talking about quote, I'm not the 381 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: oldest among us. There's a remarkable ninety three year old 382 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 1: Haino among our ranks. To her and others, I'd like 383 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: to say, please take good care of yourself and consider 384 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: stepping back from diving. We have many talented young Hainho 385 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 1: emerging and your contributions have been invaluable. While I'm among 386 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 1: the senior members, there are others who have more years 387 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: of experience. 388 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 2: Right. There are so many stories right after that being 389 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 2: like they were talking about seventy three year old woman 390 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 2: and there was an age she's like, oh, my sister, 391 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 2: my older sister, she's still a Hano. Like they're all 392 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 2: talking about the fact that they continue going well beyond 393 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 2: I think that was one that was like one hundred. 394 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: Wow. 395 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 2: I'm not sure that that was a record or she 396 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 2: still is a part of it. Like, there's so many 397 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 2: conversations about the fact that they didn't start till much later, 398 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 2: or they still continued and they don't exist anymore. So 399 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 2: those are the average ages, especially when they started when 400 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 2: they were ten. But of course this would be around 401 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 2: the prime time of women being a part of this community. 402 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 2: The camaraderie within the Haino community. It's inspiring and is 403 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 2: something they passed down to the younger generation of Haino's 404 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 2: Here's another quote the UNESCO article. The Haino community operates 405 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 2: as a close knit group. Skilled divers may catch ten 406 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 2: kilograms of seafood, while less experienced divers might not even 407 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 2: reach one kilogram. However, everything is gathered together and shared equally, 408 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 2: whether someone had a bountiful catch or a modest one. 409 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 2: While younger divers may be honing their underwater skills, they 410 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 2: actively contribute when out of the water. This equal sharing 411 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 2: of earnings is a well organized system that attracts new recruits. 412 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 2: The younger generations appreciate being treated equally and sharing earnings uniformly, 413 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 2: while experienced Hano value the enthusiasm and respect of their 414 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 2: younger counterparts. This mutual appreciation and strengthens our sense of 415 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 2: community and reinforces the importance of preserving the culture of 416 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 2: Jju Haano as an enduring tradition that should never be 417 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 2: lost but passed on to future generations, and as a 418 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 2: part of a lot of their history and tradition. Singing 419 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 2: and songs are. 420 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 3: A part of that culture. 421 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 2: Here's some information from Atlas Obscure dot com. Chua Hueikyng, 422 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 2: who has written at extensively about Haino for decades, says 423 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 2: that writing the biography of a Doen, the first guardian 424 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 2: of Heineo's songs, was one of the most memorable experiences 425 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 2: of her career. The first time I heard her sing, 426 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 2: I remember sobs in her voice, and before I knew it, 427 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,360 Speaker 2: I was crying too, She says. Haino songs served as 428 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 2: practical purposes. Starting in the mid nineteenth century, Hainyo rode 429 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 2: their boats to work far from Jju Island to distant 430 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 2: locales such as Busan, gong Wan Province, and even Japan. 431 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 2: To pass the time as they rode, the women sing 432 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 2: simple melodies in six ' eight time to the rhythm 433 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 2: of the sea waves. The song lyrics varied, but often 434 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 2: women singing lamenting the day they were born, complaining about 435 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 2: their incompetent husbands, and in protest of the government. 436 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I could understand that. 437 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 2: So here's the lyric from one of the songs that 438 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 2: I'm not going to sing because I don't know how 439 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 2: to do six fight times, So I'm just going to 440 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 2: read it to y'all. Bae baying dove into the sea, 441 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 2: skipped the day's three meals and learned diving as a 442 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 2: way to be slowly saved up one coin at a 443 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,439 Speaker 2: time to take a step at my husband's bar. 444 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: Tab that's so. 445 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 3: Sad in good the news. 446 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 2: There's no sheet music for Haino songs, and a few 447 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 2: of the nearly ten thousand known tunes have titles. Sometimes 448 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 2: the songs are called yodo sauna because these two words 449 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 2: appear often within the lyrics of Haino music, but no 450 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 2: one is really sure what the term means. Some say 451 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 2: yodo sana refers to a mythical island, a fantasy haven 452 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 2: where problems cease to exist, or even a heavenly afterlife. 453 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 2: Others say the words have no meaning at all. 454 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: And the article goes on. The songs are poems filled 455 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: with irony and tragedy, but a closer look reveals that 456 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: they are a testament to these women's will to survive. 457 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: And these songs are still sung today, and apparently some 458 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: have tried to remix some of the originals, causing some debate. 459 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: But one thing is for sure, the legacy of these 460 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: songs remains an important part of the Haino culture. 461 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 3: So what's happening today. 462 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 2: We kind of already talked about it, but we're gonna 463 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 2: delve a little deeper. The artistry of Haino has garnered 464 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 2: more interests recently, with museums that are dedicated to the 465 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 2: years and years of tradition and to the fact that 466 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 2: UNESCO has placed them on the Intangible Cultural Heritage list. 467 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 2: They have become a cultural and tourist phenomenon. And here's 468 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 2: some more information from that Kyoto Journal article quote. In 469 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, the Henya culture was assigned to the list 470 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 2: of UNESCO Intangible Cultural Heritage due to its unique history 471 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 2: and the rapid decline of female divers. Its elevated status 472 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 2: due to the UNESCO listing has resulted in a new 473 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 2: tourist industry and increased protection and funding for the women 474 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 2: in the industry and the natural environment of the island. 475 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 2: The government provides free healthcare and the necessary diving equipment, 476 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 2: and has opened a diving school again and a museum. 477 00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: So there's that. 478 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 2: However, while the new heritage status has brought benefits for 479 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 2: the community, it has made the women into living artifacts 480 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 2: who perform their work for tourist audiences. There are now 481 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 2: places where you can pay to watch the women dive 482 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 2: and buy their catch. I would be interested in doing 483 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 2: that because I bet it's real good. 484 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: I'd be interested in it. But I'm also like, I 485 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 1: hope I'm not bothered. 486 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 2: Well, I think as long as you're giving money, Yeah, 487 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 2: that's that. 488 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 3: They're cool with that. 489 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 2: Like, don't bother them, don't come ask for pictures and selfies, 490 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 2: just buy their food. 491 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 3: Now, I'm good with that. 492 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 1: Give that. 493 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 2: So and from wonder Wisdom dot com. Yes, the tradition 494 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,199 Speaker 2: is dying, particularly as a neo generation have decided to 495 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 2: take jobs in cities, but the Hano is still one 496 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 2: of the most honored and respected women on the island. 497 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 2: The strong work ethic and the decisive role they have 498 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 2: played in society have given them international acclaim. In addition 499 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 2: to the Hano becoming inscribed on the UNESCO List of 500 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 2: Korea's Intangible Cultural Heritage in twenty sixteen, there's even the 501 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 2: Hano Museum in Jju today, and tourists visit this picturesque 502 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 2: island just to see them in action. As one Haino 503 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 2: Moon Bulkhoi says, wherever I go, I tell people that 504 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:08,479 Speaker 2: I'm Haino. 505 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 1: Proudly there are still those who are both looking to 506 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: be a part of the tradition as well as teach 507 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 1: the traditions. From gloriosport dot com quote. In recent years, 508 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 1: a small number of young women have left their lives 509 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 1: on the Korean mainland to become Hano, parting with their 510 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 1: stressful city careers in order to reconnect with nature. The 511 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: Hano we spoke with stressed the importance of national policy 512 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: in preserving traditions, but insisted the responsibility lies with the 513 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 1: senior divers to support and educate an emerging generation of 514 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 1: divers and teach the wisdom of the waters. In many ways, 515 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 1: Haino are agents of change an invaluable source of wisdom. 516 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: Their lives depend on an intricate understanding of the ecosystem 517 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,360 Speaker 1: in which they play a part, owing to their profound 518 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: respect for the environment. In spite of dwindling numbers of divers, 519 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: the Haino represent an alternative vision for the future. Their 520 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: century long tradition is teaching a more considered approach to 521 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: fishing that might be the antidote to our broken, pillaged ecosystem. 522 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: In the wake of unprecedented global environmental activism emerging from 523 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: the bottom up, the tradition of Haino is far from disappearing. 524 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: It's evolving and taking different forms on an international scale. 525 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 2: And yeah, exactly like this. The practice has spread beyond 526 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 2: just Jaju. Their newer groups to join the legendary crew, 527 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 2: such as located on GoJ Island, still in South Korea. 528 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 2: But as a populator has grown, there have become schools 529 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 2: that are available to train future hano's, one in Jju 530 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 2: and one in Kojo. So here's a quote from hunkmag 531 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 2: dot org. The sixty nine year old who was being 532 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 2: interviewed for this article admitted that when she first started 533 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 2: to recruit new divers, she was skeptical. Hunting in the 534 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 2: deep is a tough and dangerous job with no room 535 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 2: for error. The fishing nets moved back and forth and 536 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 2: can trap you quickly if you don't pay attention, she said, 537 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 2: confessing that she has sworn to keep the three recruit 538 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 2: on her boat safe. Originally from Jju, Lee moved to 539 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 2: Koj as a child, and at that time daughters were 540 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 2: supposed to work. They had no choice but to do this, 541 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 2: She explained. It was hard to even go back inside. 542 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 2: My mother kept saying, no, go out, go back, in 543 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 2: the water, and this is kind of her beginning her 544 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 2: time with the Hayinos obviously, as well as wanting to 545 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 2: teach others and then spreading that. So they talked about 546 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 2: what that process was for that island and how similar 547 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 2: it is to Jju, but why it's important to keep 548 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 2: going and keep teaching. So she had a lot of wisdom. 549 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 3: For these young recruits. 550 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 2: And yet there was one who I think she was 551 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 2: thirty four talking about she just really fell in love 552 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 2: with the idea of going away from the city and 553 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 2: doing something close to nature. Again, I don't wonder. I'm 554 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 2: thinking that that might have been me. Had I been 555 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 2: in South Korea, I'd be like, I'm done with this 556 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 2: because I was born in Seoul, like near Seoul, so 557 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 2: I wasn't near the islands. But damn, I don't know that. 558 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 2: I don't like the undersea They s freak me out, 559 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:01,959 Speaker 2: so maybe not. 560 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: Yes, agreed, And I will also add on to that 561 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: just to reiterate, like this so difficult physically to do 562 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: what they're doing. But also over on my other podcast Saver, 563 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: we did an episode on sea urchins. They're difficult to 564 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: just get like that is hard right to do it? 565 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: Takes a lot of skill, and I really love that 566 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: they're so cognizant of the water and wanting to protect 567 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: it and doing it like protecting the culture, protecting the water, 568 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: protecting traditions. But it is it's difficult, It is so. 569 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 2: Hard, so I think it needs to be like a 570 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 2: lot of the times they get on a boat, go 571 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 2: out far out into the ocean, far enough out, and 572 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 2: then they jump in like they are through free divers 573 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 2: I'm not saying they're just walking. 574 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 3: In and storkling. That's not what they're doing. 575 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 2: And they do try to keep together as a crew 576 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 2: so they can watch each other just in case they 577 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 2: are in distress because they don't have anything. But that 578 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 2: floating device like that, to me is like what And 579 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 2: it's all like decorated from what I've seen. Again, this 580 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 2: is kay dramas. 581 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 3: To show who is who. 582 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 2: I think this is how they keep up with each other, 583 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 2: and so it's part of what they do. But like it, Yeah, 584 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 2: it's not what you think of. Just like they just 585 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 2: walk out to the sea and then nah, they pick 586 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 2: up No, like that one woman who was heavily pregnant, 587 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 2: still needing to work and gather things. Sure, she might 588 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 2: have been closer to the shore, but most of the 589 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 2: time they are in boats and they all go out 590 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 2: and then they dive in to go and retrieve whatever 591 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 2: they can. And like areas, I think abaloni are harder 592 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 2: to get because of the way they're like a little 593 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 2: off from the main areas that they stay in. So 594 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 2: it's a whole thing from what I've gathered, and it 595 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 2: is it is very dangerous and the fact that these 596 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 2: are elder like elder who are doing this is so 597 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 2: amazing to even talk about. But again, if you have 598 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 2: time to watch any of these documentaries, read any of 599 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 2: these articles, you really should. Apparently sea urchins have hats anything. 600 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: That's my favorite fact from our Savor episode on sea 601 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: urchins is that they wear little hats and people usually 602 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: it's like a shell or seaweed, you know, and it 603 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: is to protect from the sun. During the pandemic, we 604 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: were all depressed and so people started printing out like 605 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: three D like Viking hats or which is hats, and 606 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: the sea urchins will put them on, ye, and sometimes 607 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: they will reject the hat if it's not good enough. Yes, 608 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: and that makes me love them even more. Yes. 609 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 2: Well, I was also saying that I had seen a 610 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 2: video of an octopus. Yeah, be gifted a hat and 611 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 2: like the because they had like trash and a diver 612 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 2: was trying to bargain with this octopus and got rejected 613 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 2: like three or four times to finally the perfect shell. 614 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 2: And he was willing to give up the other hat 615 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 2: to take that one, like it was a whole thing. 616 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 2: Secrets are amazing and scary to me. 617 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: Agreed. Agreed, but I cannot recommend enough. Look up seursians 618 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: wearing hats if you need a boosts. 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