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Speaker 1: Happy Friday, everybody. I was lamenting yesterday when we were

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Speaker 1: Ryan and Emiley, how are you guys doing.

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Speaker 2: Hey, good to see you, Lovely, great to see it.

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Speaker 1: Lots of Elon updates, some Laura Lomer updates, we got

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Speaker 1: some Gavin Newsom, some the latest with the tariffs. Are

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Speaker 1: really knows. Some interesting stuff from the Democrats as well,

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Speaker 1: as they continue to find themselves a little bit lost

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Speaker 1: the wilderness, I'd say, so, lots to get through. Let

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Speaker 1: the stage for today. We had another starship that you

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Speaker 1: know from Elon's company, SpaceX, that blew up upon launch yesterday.

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Speaker 3: As producer Mac was pointing out before this show.

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Speaker 2: Blast zone, the radius of that debris, you know, collapsing

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the investigations of SpaceX have been not just

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Speaker 1: Obviously it's the FA that's doing all that work. So

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Speaker 1: And what he's pointing to there, Emily, I think is

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Speaker 1: So one way to read this that some people are is, Okay,

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Speaker 2: According to the speech, Yeah, Doge or something.

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Speaker 5: Everyone is Doge in their hearts.

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Speaker 2: And from that, from the outside, it looks like chaos.

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Speaker 3: He did his project twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna come in, they're gonna do exactly exactly what

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Speaker 2: Are we still going to get our paychecks? Are are

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Speaker 2: How's this all gonna work? Or or is it just

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a great point. I mean, for what

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Speaker 1: But you know, technically, of course it's up to you.

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Speaker 5: Really well, I mean, the scalpel versus hatchet diconomy is

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Speaker 5: It gives everybody time to fight back, it gives everybody

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And instead, as always happens, a bunch of Republicans

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you think that this has contrasting perspectives? How about

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Speaker 1: But I think when Zuckerberg was on with Rogan pretendingly

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Speaker 2: They already like ifower him, I would cynically just get

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Speaker 3: They're going for everything.

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Speaker 5: I'm threatened that you're going to replace me with Laura Lumer.

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Speaker 2: Huge fan of some communist governments and they're anti poverty programs,

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Speaker 2: but nobody.

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Speaker 3: Has like reduced.

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Speaker 2: Poverty like Social Security did, like taking it from ninety

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Speaker 2: like a huge, huge, like a ninety percent drop in

441
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Speaker 2: elderly poverty from the from pre sol Security to post

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Speaker 2: Social Security. Not even Stalin not even installing this can

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Speaker 2: claim credit for that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So.

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Speaker 2: That's what they're trying to do. They're trying to reverse

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Speaker 2: it by through attrition.

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Speaker 5: I don't think that's wrong. I mean, I think that's

448
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Speaker 5: probably well. So I think it's there's Ryan and Crissel,

449
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Speaker 5: you were both talking about this the other night when

450
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Speaker 5: we were discussing how much austerity like featured in Donald

451
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Speaker 5: Trump's joined addressed to Congress. Yeah, I think they're like

452
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Speaker 5: real ideological and Trump may not even be aware of

453
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Speaker 5: this ideological goals from people like Russ bo or people

454
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Speaker 5: in that orbit, as it pertains to these programs that

455
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Speaker 5: are baked into the massive reforms that they want to do.

456
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Speaker 5: So like, for example, when Trump says we're not cutting Medicaid,

457
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Speaker 5: we're reforming the waste fraud in abuse, or like we're

458
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Speaker 5: rooting out waste broad in abuse. You can make all

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Speaker 5: of these cuts to Medicaid and it doesn't have anything

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Speaker 5: to do with the solvency of the programs long term.

461
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Speaker 5: So they think it with Social Security, like you can

462
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Speaker 5: get fraud out of Social Security. It doesn't have anything

463
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Speaker 5: to do with the solvency of the program's long term,

464
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Speaker 5: but it does sort of handicap them. So I think

465
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Speaker 5: some of that is baked into these broader conservative movement

466
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Speaker 5: policy designs. I agree with that. I just don't know

467
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Speaker 5: if Trump. I don't know if it's like on Trump's radar.

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Speaker 3: Sure it's not.

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Speaker 2: And I was talking to it as somebody who works

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Speaker 2: in a state dds office yesterday, and they said that

471
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Speaker 2: this censorship that they've been bizarrely carrying out at SSA offices,

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Speaker 2: and you saw this report that like you can't you

473
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Speaker 2: already couldn't, you know, go to YouTube on your work

474
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Speaker 2: computer in a lot of places, public schools, lots of places,

475
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Speaker 2: but they expanded that to like all almost all news sites.

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Speaker 2: And the THEDS employee I talked to you said that

477
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Speaker 2: that also caught up their contractor, you know, because there's

478
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Speaker 2: so much corporate kind of conglomerization and concentration of corporate

479
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Speaker 2: power that you hit one company, you might hit seventy

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Speaker 2: five companies.

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Speaker 3: You didn't know we're like connected to it.

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Speaker 2: So like these these state workers now can't get into

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Speaker 2: their contractor portals to do just the basic work that

484
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Speaker 2: they have to do to implement the program. And it's

485
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Speaker 2: like that's kind of on purpose, like that's the goal,

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Speaker 2: Like they want they want these workers not to be

487
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Speaker 2: able to do their work because the work that they're

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Speaker 2: doing is they don't support gradually bringing more people into

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Speaker 2: the program.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I also think, I mean the you know,

492
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Speaker 1: the State of the Union where he was talking, he

493
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Speaker 1: was spreading this total lie about the number of people

494
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Speaker 1: over two hundred or whatever who are Social Security tecks.

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Speaker 1: I mean that to me is also a way to argue,

496
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Speaker 1: like we're cutting this program because of all the fraud,

497
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Speaker 1: to avoid violating his or avoid the appearance of violating

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Speaker 1: his pledge that he wasn't going to cut touch Social Security. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, again, this is one of these areas where

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Speaker 1: you see the tug of war between what Trump has

501
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Speaker 1: positioned himself as politically and what Elon's ideology is, and

502
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Speaker 1: certainly Russfod's ideology as well, and the Elon ideology seems

503
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Speaker 1: to be consistently winning out. I mean, this is kind

504
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Speaker 1: of a somewhat similar You've got they're firing eighty thousand

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Speaker 1: Veterans Affairs workers as part of Trump cuts. They say,

506
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Speaker 1: this is sparking a backlash. I mean, many of these

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Speaker 1: people are veterans themselves that work at the Veterans Affairs

508
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Speaker 1: Administration and certainly critical to you know, delivering for the

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Speaker 1: promises that we have made to people who have served

510
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Speaker 1: the country, and only I think politically these have been

511
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Speaker 1: some of the more difficult for Republicans to be able

512
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Speaker 1: to answer when you have people who stand up like,

513
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Speaker 1: how could you be firing all of these tens of

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Speaker 1: thousands of veterans who serve the country. How could you

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Speaker 1: be firing all of these military spouses who are sort

516
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Speaker 1: of disproportionately on probationary status because the nature of having

517
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Speaker 1: to move around the country and you know, depending on

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Speaker 1: where your your spouse is being stationed and deployed. And

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Speaker 1: so I think politically this has been some of the

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Speaker 1: stuff that's been more difficult for Republicans and as part

521
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Speaker 1: of why Elon had to meet with them this week

522
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Speaker 1: and assuage some of the Republican Caucus concerns about what

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Speaker 1: they're hearing from constituents in their district with regard to Doge.

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Speaker 5: Well, my favorite part of that report was at the meeting,

525
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Speaker 5: Elon Musk handed out his phone number to senators but

526
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Speaker 5: not House members, which is especially pretty finely. It reminds

527
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Speaker 5: me of the veepline where she can't get something through

528
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Speaker 5: the Senate. She says, Okay, then lift the sewer grade

529
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Speaker 5: to the House and we'll go over there. So funny.

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Speaker 5: So what's really interesting to me? And I was very

531
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Speaker 5: surprised to find out by this that that actually pairs

532
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Speaker 5: it back down to twenty nineteen levels. So in the

533
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Speaker 5: last several years, the growth of the VA was eighty

534
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Speaker 5: thousand people, which is very like the last six years,

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Speaker 5: the growth of the VA was eighty thousand people, which

536
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Speaker 5: is interesting because it's about a four hundred thousand person

537
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Speaker 5: department and they're going to get it back down to

538
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Speaker 5: around three hundred thousand. But even if that, even if

539
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Speaker 5: that on paper you look at it, the politics of it, Krystaler,

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Speaker 5: are going to be I mean, we played that video earlier,

541
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Speaker 5: but what was a few days ago from Roger Wicker.

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Speaker 5: I want to say it was Roger Wicker at a

543
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Speaker 5: town hall where he was getting specifically confronted on veterans.

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Speaker 5: I was listening to an NPR segment about their local

545
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Speaker 5: va outside of Seattle getting hit by this, and you're

546
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Speaker 5: just like, when you localize this, it's going to I

547
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Speaker 5: don't know that we've actually fully seen the bleeding politically

548
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Speaker 5: shown show up and polling it because I don't know

549
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Speaker 5: that it's been fully like people haven't reckoned with it.

550
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Speaker 5: They don't realize they're still uncertainty as to whether this

551
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Speaker 5: stuff is permanent or whether it's going to get real. First,

552
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Speaker 5: people are gonna get rehired, because we have seen people

553
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Speaker 5: get rehired, so I don't I mean, if if some

554
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Speaker 5: of the stuff is permanent, the politics of that are

555
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Speaker 5: going to be extremely difficult for Republicans.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and also, you know we're already seeing and this

557
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Speaker 1: is a good transition to the next piece about tariffs,

558
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Speaker 1: we're seeing some real economic warning signs and making massive

559
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Speaker 1: cuts to the federal government that is going to have

560
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Speaker 1: an impact not just on those workers, but obviously we're

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Speaker 1: verberates around communities, you know, different industries that were federal

562
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Speaker 1: government funding is important. They just sort of everything is

563
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Speaker 1: frozen in place. And when you couple that with the

564
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Speaker 1: tariffs and what's going on there and general sense that

565
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Speaker 1: there's you know, a slow down coming. It can have

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Speaker 1: devastating economic impacts outside of just the direct buyings and

567
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Speaker 1: what that means for individual people's lives. So here's the

568
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Speaker 1: latest on the tariffs. As of yesterday, we have Trump

569
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Speaker 1: delaying some tariffs on Mexico and Canada at least for

570
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Speaker 1: a month, So we get to do this all again

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Speaker 1: in April. Guys, don't worry. But basically anything that falls

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Speaker 1: under any products that follow fall under the USMCA. They're

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Speaker 1: saying the terrafts are not going to apply. And have

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Speaker 1: a note here about what percentage. So about fifty percent

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Speaker 1: of Mexican imports thirty eight percent of Canadian imports are

576
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Speaker 1: covered by that trade agreement.

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Speaker 4: It does create a lot of.

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Speaker 1: I mean, so you still have a significant portion of

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Speaker 1: goods that will be tariffed. And also I was reading

580
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Speaker 1: about this as well, it's like a little bit complex

581
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Speaker 1: to even figure out which goods are covered by the teriffs.

582
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Speaker 1: Some things will be straightforward, but some things, you know,

583
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Speaker 1: where you have different component parts coming from different places, etc.

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Speaker 1: It's actually complicated to figure out which falls under this

585
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Speaker 1: agreement and which doesn't. So you know, I saw I

586
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Speaker 1: think the markets were reacting pretty positively this morning, but

587
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Speaker 1: yesterday was a total bloodbath in the market. So, you know, Emily,

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Speaker 1: what do you think about where we are with all

589
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Speaker 1: of this.

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Speaker 5: It's hard to know where we are because it's like

591
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Speaker 5: you don't know if you're in the middle of something

592
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Speaker 5: until you have some clear idea of what the end

593
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Speaker 5: would look like. And I don't know what Drum's end is.

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Speaker 5: It's I fail two because yeah, I mean, we talked

595
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Speaker 5: about this at length the other night. But he has

596
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Speaker 5: this conflation of his economic goals and his immigration fentanyl goals,

597
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Speaker 5: and it's really obviously confusing for Mexico and Canada. At

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Speaker 5: this point, I think he's just like straight up mad

599
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Speaker 5: at Canada and wants to mess with Canada. But like,

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Speaker 5: I don't know, I think it's really hard to say

601
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Speaker 5: what he does going forward because he has gotten some

602
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Speaker 5: things like, for example, the Honda Civics being made in

603
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Speaker 5: Indiana rather than Mexico. Like, he's seen some of this

604
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Speaker 5: stuff start to happen. So does that mean that he

605
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Speaker 5: sticks with a more targeted version of some of these

606
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Speaker 5: that's my best guess. I would say that he ultimately

607
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Speaker 5: lands on targeted tariffs and can claim a win on

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Speaker 5: the blunt force tariffs by getting Mexico to cooperate with

609
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Speaker 5: immigration stuff and getting Canada to cooperate with fentanyl and

610
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Speaker 5: that sort of thing. So I have no idea where

611
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Speaker 5: it's going, but that's my best guess right now. Ryan.

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Speaker 1: One of what the Canadians think is that he's using

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Speaker 1: this economic warfare against them to try to weaken them

614
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Speaker 1: so that he can take them over as the fifty

615
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Speaker 1: first state. I mean, that's what they that's what they believe.

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Speaker 1: Some Trump officials have even effectively said that that is

617
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Speaker 1: the goal. I mean, do you put much stock in

618
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Speaker 1: that as that's what's going on here because it's so

619
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Speaker 1: hard to figure out what is actually going on here.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I do think that that's that needs to be

621
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Speaker 2: taken seriously because the United States economy definitely has the

622
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Speaker 2: power to, you know, shrink the Canadian economy by an

623
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Speaker 2: absolute extraordinary amount.

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Speaker 5: Which is already not good by the way.

625
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's it's crushing. You know, we're already crushing

626
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Speaker 2: the economy now, you know, we we benefit from trade

627
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Speaker 2: with Canada, Like there's an enormous number of raw materials

628
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Speaker 2: and resources that would the paper you know, energy that

629
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Speaker 2: come in from Canada to the United States. But our

630
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Speaker 2: economy is so huge, you know, obviously we can withstand

631
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Speaker 2: a trade war with Canada. We would you know, we

632
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Speaker 2: can outlast them. And so now the question is like,

633
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Speaker 2: is there a Trump in power long enough to like

634
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Speaker 2: execute on that long term strategy and does he have

635
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Speaker 2: the the ability to kind of see it through. There

636
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Speaker 2: were people in the eighteen nineties when McKinley was doing

637
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Speaker 2: this that thought that that was the plan, that they

638
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Speaker 2: were gonna, you know, weaken Canada to the point that

639
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Speaker 2: we would be able to annex it.

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Speaker 4: So I didn't realize that, Yeah.

641
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Speaker 2: That was that was part of the thinking. It collapsed

642
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Speaker 2: really quickly because even in the you know, in the

643
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Speaker 2: eighteen nineties, people were like didn't like paying more price,

644
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Speaker 2: you know, higher prices, and we had that giant crisis

645
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Speaker 2: in eighteen ninety three that kind.

646
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Speaker 3: Of ended that.

647
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Speaker 2: So, yeah, what like it wouldn't be new, But I

648
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Speaker 2: don't think, you know, just like then, I don't know

649
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Speaker 2: if we.

650
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Speaker 3: Have the follow through.

651
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Speaker 1: This comes as Secretary Besant yesterday, as the Treasury Secretary

652
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Speaker 1: said that cheap goods are not the essence of the

653
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Speaker 1: American dream. Which actually there's I mean, we could do

654
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Speaker 1: an hour just talking about the reflecting on those comments

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Speaker 1: and what the reality is and what a different version

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Speaker 1: of the American dream, because certainly, in the neoliberal era,

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Speaker 1: what has been sold to the citizens in lieu of

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Speaker 1: like high wages, unionization, a manufacturing base, like you know,

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Speaker 1: intact communities, we have been sold that actually, chief goods

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Speaker 1: are the thing that we're giving you in exchange for

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Speaker 1: the way we're going to run the economic system. And

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Speaker 1: so in certain sense I'm sympathetic to Yeah, I agree,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that should be, but that is the

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Speaker 1: value that we've been sold. And if you're going to

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Speaker 1: effectively intentionally raise prices, which is what these tariffs will

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Speaker 1: almost certainly do, then you better have some other things

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Speaker 1: in place to raise wages and you know, restore some

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Speaker 1: other allow people to be able to buy houses, for example,

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Speaker 1: afford college education, afford healthcare, or be given you know,

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Speaker 1: universal healthcare. If you are going to completely reorient things

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Speaker 1: on the contrary, what they have seemed to be pushing

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Speaker 1: towards is if not outright generating a recession, generating a

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Speaker 1: massive slow down intentionally in consumer spending and in wage growth,

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Speaker 1: so that in using that as the way to curb inflation.

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Speaker 1: And so let me just put this pull up on

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Speaker 1: the screen on and get you guys to reflect on

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Speaker 1: all of that. But you've got nearly two and three

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Speaker 1: Americans now saying they think tariffs are going to drive

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Speaker 1: their costs up. That includes a majority of Republicans. Those

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Speaker 1: members have moved substantially in just a month period of time.

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Speaker 1: So you can see here even among Republicans, you've got

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Speaker 1: fifty one percent saying yeah, they're going to cause costs

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Speaker 1: to go up, only nineteen percent saying they'll go down,

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Speaker 1: eighteen percent saying no impact. And overall, sixty seven percent

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Speaker 1: of people say yeah, this is going to cause prices

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Speaker 1: to go up, and you know, only twelve percent say

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Speaker 1: they will cause them to go down, in twelve percent

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Speaker 1: saying no impact. Here, so very lopsided in terms of

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Speaker 1: how people help people expect these tariffs to affect their

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Speaker 1: lives at a time when obviously emily inflation has been

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Speaker 1: you know, a core part of the political story and

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Speaker 1: political upset during the Biden administration that helps usher Trump

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Speaker 1: into power. Trump promises very much like we're going to

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Speaker 1: get prices under control, et cetera. And right now people

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Speaker 1: feel like, well, actually, your policy is pushing in the

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Speaker 1: exact opposite direction also.

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Speaker 2: And I think, Emily, while you think on that, let

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Speaker 2: me clean up my McKinley comment real quick, because it

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Speaker 2: actually fits in this. It wasn't that McKinley's tariffs led

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Speaker 2: into and were upended by the eighteen ninety three crisis.

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Speaker 3: It was the reverse.

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Speaker 2: There was the eighteen ninety three crisis that created this depression,

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Speaker 2: that created this like demand among the American people that

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Speaker 2: you do something about it.

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Speaker 3: And McKinley ran then.

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Speaker 2: In eighteen ninety six saying I'm going to do something

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Speaker 2: about this, and the thing I'm going to do is

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Speaker 2: is tariffs. And so he's elected then and people were like, oh,

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Speaker 2: this actually didn't solve the problem.

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Speaker 3: Like you were right that there.

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Speaker 2: Was something wrong, but this didn't fix it. So let's

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Speaker 2: get rid of let's get rid of these tariffs. So

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Speaker 2: before people dragged jump on your flipping the timeline there.

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Speaker 1: Actually his speech that he gave before the before an

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Speaker 1: assassin you know, came and took him out, was about

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Speaker 1: how he was rolling back a lot of the tariffs

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Speaker 1: because basically like, yeah, we you know, that served its

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Speaker 1: purpose for its time, but we're we're moving forward in

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Speaker 1: a different direction now.

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Speaker 5: And Trump We've talked about this before too, But I

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Speaker 5: think he actually just thrives on the sense of confusion.

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Speaker 5: And I think the reason that even people who follow

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Speaker 5: his moves, his every move when it comes to tariffs

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Speaker 5: don't have a good idea of what's coming next is

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Speaker 5: completely intentional on his behalf, because he legitimately doesn't want

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Speaker 5: Trudeau and shine Bomb to know either, or China for

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Speaker 5: that matter. But the bestent speech, I pulled it up

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Speaker 5: in front of me. I just wanted to read a

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Speaker 5: little bit more from where he says. He starts to

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Speaker 5: talk about the United States finds itself subsidizing the rest

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Speaker 5: of the world's underspending in defense. This is not just

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Speaker 5: a security issue. The United States also provides reserve assets,

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Speaker 5: serves as a consumer of first and last resort, and

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Speaker 5: absorbs excess supply in the face of insufficient demand in

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Speaker 5: other countries domestic models. The system is not sustainable. Then,

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Speaker 5: he says, access to cheap goods is not the essence

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Speaker 5: of the American dream. The American dream is rooted in

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Speaker 5: the concept that any citizen can achieve prosperity, upward mobility,

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Speaker 5: and economic security. For too long, the designers of multilateral

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Speaker 5: trade deals have lost sight of this. And so what

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Speaker 5: I thought was particularly interesting about that is it doesn't

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Speaker 5: help you sell higher prices. And what Donald Trump talked about,

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Speaker 5: like most Americans are going to like that to them

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Speaker 5: sounds like airy in the clouds bs. I really like

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Speaker 5: it because it's not how the conservative movement has talked

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Speaker 5: about these things ever, and it's true, and I think

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Speaker 5: it's sort of interesting. He didn't include families in that

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Speaker 5: calculation and didn't talk about neighborhoods and communities. He just

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Speaker 5: talked about economic mobility and all that sort of thing,

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Speaker 5: which is great, but you know, we could go into

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Speaker 5: a different rabbit hole in that. But most Americans like, sure, yeah,

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Speaker 5: but these eggs are ten dollars right. Oh man. So

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Speaker 5: Trump pivoted to Biden when he was talking about eggs

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Speaker 5: in the joint address, and you can only coast off

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Speaker 5: of that for so long. I think he's probably fine

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Speaker 5: right now, still blaming Biden. But I don't think that

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Speaker 5: lasts much longer politically. I think that is it only

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Speaker 5: is going to last for a little bit longer for them.

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Speaker 3: And think about what actually worked.

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Speaker 2: Its Crystal's point about McKinley getting gout by that anarchist

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Speaker 2: who comes in then Teddy Roosevelt, and he's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I've got an actual solution here. I'm going to smash

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Speaker 2: corporate power. I'm busting up all of these trusts, and

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Speaker 2: I'm going to raise up regular people. So you went

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Speaker 2: from this kind of fake populism of we're going to

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Speaker 2: do We're going to do tariffs and he's trying to like,

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Speaker 2: you know, drain off the energy from William Jennings Bryan.

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Speaker 4: Tariffs and imperialism by the way.

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Speaker 2: Tariffs and imperialism exactly that that actually turned out to

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Speaker 2: be just bs and didn't work. What when then Roosevelt

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Speaker 2: comes in and takes on corporate power and and brings

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Speaker 2: in a progressive era, you know, launches like government regulation

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Speaker 2: of these of these corporate entities, and all of a

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Speaker 2: sudden you start getting real economic growth again combined with

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Speaker 2: a loose monetary policy by accidentally finding a whole lot

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Speaker 2: of silver in the West, which actually proved William Jennings

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Speaker 2: Bryan right that you did need looser silver policy.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, that's a different.

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Speaker 5: Part of it, just like Crypto. It's just like Crypto.

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Speaker 4: There you go, some parallels there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, actually, all right, let's move on to a little

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Speaker 1: bit of the the Democrats here and uh this, I'm

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Speaker 1: curious for Ryan's reaction first and foremost of this. So

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Speaker 1: you know, al Green did his protest on the floor saying,

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Speaker 1: you know, you have no mandate to cut medicaid. He's

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Speaker 1: been really on a tear like very laser focused on Medicaid,

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Speaker 1: in particular because his debt district has a lot of

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Speaker 1: Medicaid recipients, so he feels it's you know, quite important

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Speaker 1: to the fortunes of his constituents. And you had Jeffries

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Speaker 1: and other leaders, Catherine Clark and Pete Aguilar, who gathered

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Speaker 1: what they describe as roughly a dozen Democratic disruptors. They

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Speaker 1: were called into a come to Jesus meeting on Thursday morning.

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Speaker 1: The Senior dam told Axios, this also comes on the

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Speaker 1: heels of a censure vote of Al Green in the House,

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Speaker 1: where you know it's mostly overwhelmingly obviously every Republican voting

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Speaker 1: to censure him, but you did have ten Democrats across

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Speaker 1: the aisle Ryan to stand up in favor of decorum,

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Speaker 1: so you know which is it just says so much

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Speaker 1: about this party. To be honest with you, by Ryan,

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Speaker 1: was what was your thought about this come to Jesus

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Speaker 1: meeting over how dare you disrupt the President of the

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Speaker 1: United States?

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Speaker 2: And these were all Democrats who are in pretty you know,

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Speaker 2: Republican leading districts had very close elections, so this is

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Speaker 2: you know, this is them kind of pandering to that,

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Speaker 2: to that constituency.

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Speaker 3: I think that.

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Speaker 2: Jesus had a way forward for people, for his his

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Speaker 2: his flock, his you know, his disciples, like Emily can

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Speaker 2: tell us a little bit more about this. But if

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Speaker 2: you have a come to Jesus meeting and Jesus doesn't

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Speaker 2: actually have any ideas for.

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Speaker 3: You, like what do you that meeting is going to

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Speaker 3: break up pretty quickly.

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Speaker 2: Jesus got his power in his charisma and his following

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Speaker 2: because you know, he had ideas about how they were

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Speaker 2: going to go forward in the world. True, I don't

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Speaker 2: think Keemja has any ideas right now. So it's like

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Speaker 2: come to Jeffries, to come to Jeffries and they're like, okay,

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Speaker 2: well can you tell us then you know what is

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Speaker 2: the path forward? And he's like, I don't know, what

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Speaker 2: are you asking me for.

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Speaker 3: We don't have any power.

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Speaker 1: He's like, I know, we're going to put out this

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Speaker 1: cringe TikTok video with you.

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Speaker 2: Why haven't you guys done your TikTok videos yet?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one, the one where they were all scripted doing

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Speaker 1: the same thing.

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Speaker 4: That's what that's been.

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Speaker 1: The Democratic parties, in compliance with decorum, approached your resistance here.

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Speaker 5: Can I say that reminds me so much of like

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Speaker 5: two thousand and nine twenty ten, when like just the

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Speaker 5: lamest Republicans who are trying to catch up with Democrats

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Speaker 5: after like the Facebook, Electric Facebook, Twitter, and it's it's

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Speaker 5: like shocking.

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Speaker 3: To take the picture of their breakfast.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it's.

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Speaker 5: Truly that they would. It's truly shocking to me as

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Speaker 5: someone who grew up in the era were like Republicans

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Speaker 5: were the epitome of cringe on social media. Yet that

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Speaker 5: it is now Democrats And it happened very very quickly,

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Speaker 5: like Republicans used to. I mean, I think politics is

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Speaker 5: always pretty cringe on social media, but Republicans used to

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Speaker 5: actually envy the way Democrats were able to speak more

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Speaker 5: like fluently on social media, and they spoke the language

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Speaker 5: of social media more fluently, and now it's completely reversed.

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Speaker 5: But on this point about Hakim Jeffreys, he is terrible.

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Speaker 5: He is so so bad, surprisingly, surprisingly the man for

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Speaker 5: the moment.

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Speaker 1: I never thought I long for the leadership of Nancy Pelosi,

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Speaker 1: but at least the woman has some skills.

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Speaker 5: Like val Republicans would look at Nancy Pelosi and they

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Speaker 5: would say, what we did with George Santos. This is

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Speaker 5: how they would see it. They lost, they actually lost

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Speaker 5: battles because they kicked out George Santos, and they looked out.

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Speaker 5: They looked back on that afterwards, and they were like,

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Speaker 5: Nancy Pelosi would never have done that, in the same

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Speaker 5: way that Nancy Pelosi probably would never have forced this

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Speaker 5: like struggle session over what alc. I don't think Algren's

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Speaker 5: optics were great for Democrats, but two things can be true.

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Speaker 5: That could have been a hilarious image of like an

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Speaker 5: elderly man waving his cane at the president. And on

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Speaker 5: the other hand, you don't have to have a struggle

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Speaker 5: session to like censor him when people want you to

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Speaker 5: be harder on Trump, like the optics of both are bad.

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Speaker 1: Well, and here's the thing, too. Sorry, I'm I didn't

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Speaker 1: mean to cut your way. But the thing with al

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Speaker 1: Green is, Okay, let's say you feel like, oh, the

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Speaker 1: optics were bad of him, you know, standing up with

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Speaker 1: his cane and the thing. But you know what Republicans

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Speaker 1: have figured out, and Trump in particular is figured out,

872
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: is if you are able to generate controversy and a conversation,

873
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: which aug Green did, then you can move the political

874
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: dialogue in the direction that you want. And so what

875
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: I appreciated about what al Green did is immediately afterwards

876
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: he's escorted out and he says, I am here and

877
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: I'm willing to stand up, and I will take the

878
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: consequences because they will not cut medicaid and they will

879
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: not go after my constituents.

880
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 4: And I don't care if they do sense me. I

881
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 4: am here to fight.

882
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 1: And so now if Democrats were smart enough to say, yeah,

883
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: he's right, these Medicaid cuts are outrageous and they're going

884
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: to be incredibly destructive. Now you switched the conversation to

885
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: an issue where you are overwhelmingly on the side of

886
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: the people, and it's Republicans who are having to respond. Instead,

887
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: you have the Democrats forcing some handwringing conversation about decorum,

888
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,919
Speaker 1: and meanwhile, you're also pissing off your own base, who

889
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: are like, yes, Al Green, You're a hero, Thank you

890
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: for doing something. Yes, Jasmine Crockett, who also was called

891
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: into this meeting and berated for her resistance.

892
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 4: Not being appropriate with decorum whatever.

893
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: I don't think Ryan, that Democratic leadership has internalized that

894
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: it's not just like lefties like you and me who

895
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: are mad at the establishment Democrats. At this point, they

896
00:45:56,040 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: have lost the Libs, like the like the Democratic base,

897
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: like the backbone of this party, who were in love

898
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: with Adam Schiff and Nancy Pelosi. They are like, fuck you,

899
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: Hakeem Jeffries, screw you, like we are disgusted. And I

900
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: don't think they've reckoned with the fact that it's not

901
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: just you know, this group of like progressives and lefties

902
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: that they're used to sneering at and used to marginalizing

903
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: that has they have gotten crosswise with at this point.

904
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're they're.

905
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: Lucky that you know, CNN, MSNBC, the New York Times

906
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 2: seem okay, you know, They're just they're just gonna kind

907
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 2: of let this. They're just gonna step back and let

908
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 2: Hakeem Jeffries just play this thing out, because, as Emily

909
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 2: pointed out wisely the other day, that there's a very

910
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 2: similar dynamic to the problems that Republican leadership faced during

911
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,399
Speaker 2: the Tea Party. Yeah, and there was an insurgency then,

912
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: and within like a cycle or two they had been

913
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 2: wiped that, you know, the old guard had basically been

914
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 2: been wiped out and sent back to their kind of

915
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 2: readout at the Chamber of Commerce. The what they had

916
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 2: though was Fox News, like, you know, sending cameras to

917
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 2: every single Tea Party rally. You know, thirty guys in

918
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 2: Bangers District would would be driving the news for that

919
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: night on Fox. And once you know, Eric Canter was beaten,

920
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 2: Fox was like all in on the Tea Party movement,

921
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 2: and Left it was still allow ac AOC beat Joe

922
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 2: Rowley and became an enemy for several years. Right, if

923
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 2: there was a left media that then rallied behind that element,

924
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 2: it would it would own the party by now.

925
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 3: But of course.

926
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:42,919
Speaker 2: CNN, MSNBC, these are like corporate backed media, and there's

927
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 2: no overlap between you know, left populism and corporate media,

928
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 2: where there can be with right populism.

929
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: And corporate media because they're not at odds ultimately with

930
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: upper power.

931
00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 5: But the what's interesting is that in twenty seventy ish whatever,

932
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:05,439
Speaker 5: actually I thought, we did see an interesting reception that

933
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 5: like the sort of populist left got on corporate media

934
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 5: because everybody was together under the banner of the resistance.

935
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 5: And now there's nothing like that because right right, exactly so.

936
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 5: But now corporate media, like Hakim Jeffries is terrified that

937
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 5: the Jasmine Crockets of the world, and Crockett has been

938
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 5: an missibus he or whatever else, but like they're terrified

939
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 5: of the Jasmine Crocketts of the world actually making them

940
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 5: look like they've they're still on the wrong side of

941
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 5: the culture war. And so CNN and Hakim Jeffries right

942
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 5: now are going to be really risk averse about platforming populism,

943
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 5: anything that smacks of populism, even if it's coming from

944
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 5: like corporate friendly Democrats, because they are like, we need

945
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,919
Speaker 5: to get back. They don't understand that actually economic left

946
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 5: populism is what people want. And if you get rid

947
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 5: of cultural populism, like cultural left populism, you're taking down

948
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 5: the left economic populists with them. And what's left is

949
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 5: really unpopular corporate democratic BS right, and.

950
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 2: Jasmine Crockett doesn't have doesn't bring forward and she doesn't

951
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 2: lead with a class analysis and so so there's nothing

952
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 2: threatening about that. And she's extremely talented, you know in

953
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 2: the way that she kind of rips apart Republicans and

954
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 2: so she makes for great TV. And there's nothing threatening there.

955
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 2: You that what was that Marjorie Taylor green Riff?

956
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 3: She had bleach blonde? I mean that, Yeah, Yeah, that's true.

957
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true that whatever it was, she just nailed that.

958
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 2: But there's nothing threatening.

959
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: It's a little bit of a polymarket populist, if you

960
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: because she is like Crypto backed you very like you know,

961
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 1: in terms of her economics.

962
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 2: She's I reported in my book Squad that like the

963
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 2: Crypto people came to her during her first campaign and

964
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 2: it was basically like I will will will wipe you

965
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 2: out or we'll support you.

966
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, she loves her remember.

967
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 3: That, remember that section?

968
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was She's like she's like, what's the give me,

969
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 2: give me the damn questionnaire? Yeah, I don't care, and

970
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 2: I'm not for crypto, not against it. I don't care,

971
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 2: I don't understand it, and I just tell me where

972
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 2: I need to sign to get Yeah, and you can

973
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 2: blame her for that, but it's also that's a real

974
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 2: problem with how our campaigns are financed.

975
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 4: That's true.

976
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 1: And they made an example, as you point out, of

977
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: Katie Porter. And after that it really was just like

978
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: basically capitulation. I real quick want to get to it

979
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,760
Speaker 1: because this ties in so much the Gavin Newsom Charlie

980
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: Kirk thing before Emily has to jump you have a

981
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 1: heart out.

982
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 4: At ten m ish.

983
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, so we can get it. We

984
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: can get a few minutes from you on this. So

985
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom has launched a podcast, God Save Us okay,

986
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: and he's announced a few.

987
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 3: What's what's called? Is it like Gavin Gavin?

988
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 1: I don't know Gavin. With Gavin, I don't know, But

989
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: his I don't know. I think his first episode, I

990
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: haven't tracked it that closely. It was just himself, which

991
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: is kind of appropriate.

992
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 5: He talked about the Menandos brothers.

993
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 4: Are you serious?

994
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 5: Okay?

995
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 1: The second episode he has Charlie Charlie Kirk on, and

996
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 1: first of all, this was interesting to me. He tells

997
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk what a big fan his son is.

998
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 4: Of him.

999
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: So let's take a listen to a little bit of that,

1000
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 1: and then we can play the piece that has gotten

1001
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: the most attention, which is Gavin Newsom on trans Girls

1002
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: in Sports.

1003
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 6: Last night, trying to put my son to bed. He's like, no, Dad,

1004
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 6: I just what time? What time is Charlie gonna be here?

1005
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:28,919
Speaker 6: What time?

1006
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,280
Speaker 3: And I'm like, dude, you're in school tomorrow. He's thirteen.

1007
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 6: He's like, no, no, no, this morning wakes up, it sicks up.

1008
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 6: Then he's like I'm coming. I'm like, he literally would

1009
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 6: not leave the house.

1010
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 3: Did you let him tick off the school?

1011
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 6: No, he did, of course not.

1012
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 3: He's not here for a good reason.

1013
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 7: But the point is you canceled school for two years. Once.

1014
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,280
Speaker 6: The point is the point, which is you are making

1015
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 6: a damn dad answer. I'm kidding when you go to

1016
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 6: these college camps. I love watching your TikTok, which is

1017
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 6: nice level.

1018
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: All right, that's enough of that, but I just wanted

1019
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: to use that as a way to say, like, I'm sorry,

1020
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom, you're a bad dad, Like you should not

1021
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: be letting your kid watch this trash. And also if

1022
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: you are raising your child with any sort of quote

1023
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: unquote progressive values like maybe reflect on where you want

1024
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,240
Speaker 1: astray that he is in love with Churley Kirk.

1025
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 3: To me, I don't.

1026
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to ban my kids from watching Charlie

1027
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 2: Kirk or anybody, but I would do a lot of

1028
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,439
Speaker 2: deep self reflection about what I had done.

1029
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 4: There is no way get them there. I am an

1030
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 4: eleven year.

1031
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: Old son, almost twelve. No way in hell I would

1032
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: let him watch any of that kind of trash. No way,

1033
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: no way.

1034
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 2: It's an interesting yeah, because YouTube is such a mess.

1035
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 2: You go from Minecraft and then you're quickly you're into this,

1036
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 2: you know, right manisphere stuff.

1037
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 4: True, Absolutely true.

1038
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 5: I mean any reflection, Well, I don't have children, so

1039
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 5: I don't have to make this decision.

1040
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 3: But watching, yeah, I mean.

1041
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 5: I'd be off for that. I think it's the I

1042
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 5: do work with a lot of like younger people because

1043
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 5: I'm in that like right wing world of like student stuff.

1044
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 5: And what I find is the reason they're drawn to

1045
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 5: people like Charlie Kirk and Ben Shapiro is this. They

1046
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 5: feel like they're getting a moral clarity from it. And

1047
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 5: actually a lot of them watch us on Piker two

1048
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 5: because they like watching people who aren't like machine middle centrists.

1049
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 5: They like watching people who tell them something and are

1050
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 5: utterly convinced of it because it makes them feel like

1051
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 5: they're listening to something that's true. So I have no

1052
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 5: idea what path Gavin Newsom's son is on, but I

1053
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 5: think the podcast is really interesting for the exact reason

1054
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 5: we were just talking about with Jasmine Crockett, which is

1055
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:46,439
Speaker 5: that Gavin Newsom is totally the type of person who,

1056
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 5: like he can he's going to pivot. He's such a chameleon.

1057
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 5: He's like, he's smart enough to know that you have

1058
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 5: to look transparent and authentic, and like Kamala Harris could

1059
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 5: have gone on Joe Rogan and shot herself with the

1060
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 5: foot by just looking like a robot, like she went

1061
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 5: on Call her Daddy, and it didn't really make a

1062
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 5: dent because she just was Kamala Harris like talking to

1063
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 5: Lester Holt when she was on Call her Daddy, Like

1064
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 5: it was just there was nothing authentic about it, with

1065
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 5: same like, same old political robotics. But he's at least

1066
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 5: smart enough to know that you got to try to

1067
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 5: just look down to earth like you're shooting the shit

1068
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 5: with Charlie. But he can't. He's not going to be

1069
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 5: able to be a chameleon on economics. He could do

1070
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 5: it on culture stuff, but he's not going to be

1071
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 5: able to do it on corporate stuff.

1072
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 1: Well, and he's smart enough to realize, like, oh I

1073
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: got to do a podcast, you know, I gotta be

1074
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: relatable that he was common denominator. He's not smart enough

1075
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: to recognize that. So when I saw he had Charlie

1076
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: kirk on and I think he has some other right

1077
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 1: wing guests booked next. I can't remember who it is,

1078
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: but Ricruso maybe.

1079
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1080
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, well, if he has him on

1081
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: and he fights with him, liberals are gonna love that

1082
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: because Gavin is cape. I mean, he did the Rond

1083
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: DeSantis debate. Democratic base voters never loved him more than

1084
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 1: when he did that, and he has the capability to

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Speaker 1: then when I see that, actually this was like a

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Speaker 1: hot Stone massage interview, Like you don't understand where the

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00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: base of the Democratic Party is right now. Because you

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00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 1: may think this is smart positioning, you know, with regard

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Speaker 1: to like you know, taking the l so to speak

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Speaker 1: on trans girls and sports, throwing them under the bus.

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Speaker 4: Whatever.

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Speaker 1: You may think that smart positioning for a general election,

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00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 1: you get a primary to get through first, and right

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00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 1: now he's sort of placing the same bet of like

1095
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: the Heeme Jeffreys of the world and leaping past where

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Speaker 1: the Democratic base is to where he thinks the quote

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Speaker 1: unquote moderate middle will ultimately be. While to your point, Emily,

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Speaker 1: you know, totally totally skipping up because you know he's

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Speaker 1: a corporate back guy, corporate don't or guy. There's no

1100
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Speaker 1: way he's going to move on economics and he's sort

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Speaker 1: of a populous piece.

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Speaker 4: So instead, what has he gotta do.

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00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: He's got to like throw trans people under the bus,

1104
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: oral immigrants under the bus, etc.

1105
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Speaker 4: But I think this is.

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Speaker 1: So misreading the moment in terms of what the Democratic

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00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: base needs to say wants to see that It was

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Speaker 1: honestly a little bit astonishing to me that he was

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Speaker 1: this tone deaf.

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Speaker 5: Well, I just put up on the screen to your point,

1111
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Speaker 5: this he chose to tweet this excerpt with the line,

1112
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Speaker 5: no one believes pornography should be taught in schools, obviously,

1113
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Speaker 5: but that's not why four thousand plus books have been banned.

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00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 5: The Republican Party has been on a banning bench. I

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00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 5: disagree with that, but whatever It's so interesting to me

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Speaker 5: that he chose to post that excerpt because I feel

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Speaker 5: like he's trying to have his cake and eat it too.

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Speaker 5: He's trying to throw red meat at the Democratic base

1119
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 5: and then also create clickbait on the right, you know,

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Speaker 5: like he is trying to use this.

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Speaker 1: Where's the red meat for the Democratic base? That part

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00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: I didn't see.

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Speaker 5: The Republican Party has been on a banning binge right,

1124
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 5: like he's trying to like pump up the left, like, yeah,

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Speaker 5: the Republicans are book banners and Gavin Newsom is he's

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Speaker 5: holding the line while he's talking, you know about cultural

1127
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 5: issues like transports in a different.

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Speaker 4: Way, what did you think of all thats? Ryan?

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Speaker 2: In this clip, he didn't actually hold the line he had.

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Speaker 3: It was like he didn't know where he was yet.

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00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:14,919
Speaker 3: In the clip, he's like.

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Speaker 5: But he posted it in a way that made it

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Speaker 5: look like he did.

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Speaker 2: In the clip though, he's like, there shouldn't be pornography

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Speaker 2: in the schools. We all agree with that, And then

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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk's like, Okay, then I'll show you some books

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00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 2: that are pornographic and have pornographic images in them, and

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Speaker 2: you agree we should remove those and then he goes

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Speaker 2: back to, well, I don't really want the government making

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Speaker 2: those decisions, which is like, well, you just said that

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00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 2: the government shouldn't allow, you know, pornography in schools, like

1142
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 2: so should there shouldn't they? So you come, like a

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00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 2: voter watching that from both sides would be like, well

1144
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 2: where not actually sure where you stand on this question yet?

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Speaker 3: And ye like it should be an easy one, be like.

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Speaker 2: If because if you say that there shouldn't be geography

1147
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 2: in schools, like you just said that that's your position,

1148
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 2: then obviously you have to take get out of there.

1149
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 2: If somebody identifies one that fits that category when they

1150
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 2: come back and they're like, well the Bible should be

1151
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 2: banned and so should this bill O'Reilly book and Soshia

1152
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 2: Tony Morrison, then you slam them as like extremist nut jobs, right,

1153
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Speaker 2: But he it's I don't know, I don't know, and

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00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 2: I don't quite know why he can't like just make

1155
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Speaker 2: that little concession.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's here's why I'm a little bit grateful that

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00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom has misread the moment to this extent, because

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00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: I think right now liberals just want someone who's going

1160
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: to like put up a fight like that's just that's it, right,

1161
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: It's very inco a. They're very disappointed in leadership. They

1162
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Speaker 1: want to see someone match the energy of the moment,

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00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: and the people by and large you're matching the energy

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00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 1: of the moment are on the left. Then you have

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Speaker 1: some people who are like you know, a Jasmine Crockett,

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Speaker 1: who look, I've appreciated that she's been out there fighting,

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Speaker 1: and like you said, Ryan, she's really talented. But there

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Speaker 1: is a danger that you end up with someone like

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Speaker 1: a Gavin or a Peek who are politically like they're

1170
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Speaker 1: good at being sort of like political debate bros, who

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Speaker 1: use their willingness to directly challenge Republicans as a way

1172
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Speaker 1: to Trojan horsen yet another standard neoliberal establishment agenda. Like liberals,

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Speaker 1: I think would be very susceptible to that. Right now,

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Speaker 1: if you just see someone who is like a normal Democrat,

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Speaker 1: but who is willing to fight with the Charlie Kirk,

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Speaker 1: who's willing to tell them to their face to go

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Speaker 1: on Fox News and like hold their own.

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Speaker 8: Yeah seventeen right, and the specific policy issues come sort

1179
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Speaker 8: of secondary. So I think there's a real, you know

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Speaker 8: possibility that you end up with a Democratic primer where

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00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 8: someone who is able to sort of posture as a

1182
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Speaker 8: fighter but then just really is upholding the status quo

1183
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 8: is what the liberal base wants. So I am grateful

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00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 8: to Gavin Newsom for you know, just having this very

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00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 8: like basically capitulating to Charlie Kirk in this conversation and

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Speaker 8: not going down the path of posturing like he's going

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Speaker 8: to be some renegade fighter for you know, any sort

1188
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 8: of like populist or different principle than has reigned in

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Speaker 8: the Democratic Party and been a total failure for years

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Speaker 8: and years. Because I do think he would be one

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Speaker 8: of those candidates that, look, he's a talented guy in

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Speaker 8: a certain respect, and I think he there would be

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Speaker 8: a real danger of him being able to win in

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Speaker 8: a Democratic primary and then just basically be you know,

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Speaker 8: Kamala Harris or whatever.

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Speaker 5: I've got to run.

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Speaker 4: Guys, all right, thank.

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Speaker 2: You, Ryan, play the last Yeah, one more clip, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I got one more. This is the trans girls

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Speaker 1: in sports. I can get your reaction to this. On

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Speaker 1: the other side, this is the one that made the

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Speaker 1: most news here, Like you right now.

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Speaker 7: Should come out and be like, you know what, the

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Speaker 7: young man who's about to win the state championship in

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Speaker 7: the long jump in female sports. But that's that that

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Speaker 7: shouldn't happen. You as the governor should step out and

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Speaker 7: say no, no, And I appreciate and but like, would

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Speaker 7: you do something like that, would you say no men

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Speaker 7: in female sports?

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Speaker 6: Well, I think it's an issue of fairness. I completely

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Speaker 6: agree with you on that. So that's easy to call

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Speaker 6: out the unfairness of that. There's also a humility and

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Speaker 6: a grace. You know that these poor people are more

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Speaker 6: likely to commit suicide of anxiety and depression, and the

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Speaker 6: way that people talk down to vulnerable communities is an

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Speaker 6: issue that I have a hard time with as well.

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Speaker 6: So both things I can hold in my hand. How

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Speaker 6: can we address this issue with the kind of decency

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Speaker 6: that I think you know is inherent in you but.

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Speaker 3: Not always expressed.

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Speaker 4: What do you think of that, Ryan?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think they're getting closer to an answer

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Speaker 2: on this question that keeps be deviling them. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think the first answer should always be you're raising

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Speaker 2: this like distraction of an issue that affects, like, you know,

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Speaker 2: point zero one percent of the population because you don't

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Speaker 2: want people to pay attention to the fact that you're

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Speaker 2: you're robbing them blind, Like I think that's you should

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Speaker 2: always remind people of that fact. You also don't want

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Speaker 2: to look like you're dodging the question, because it is

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01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 2: something that some people care about, and if you look

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Speaker 2: like you're dodging it, you got to give some answer.

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Speaker 2: You obviously don't want to be embraced the kind of

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Speaker 2: transphobic language of misgendering people the way that Kirk consists

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Speaker 2: on doing in that conversation. But I do think that

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Speaker 2: Democrats have no chance to win on this question. Like

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Speaker 2: I three or four years ago, I wrote a story

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Speaker 2: about a poll and a memo that the Transgender Law

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Speaker 2: Center had had been circulating that you know, very very

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Speaker 2: very pro trans organization that was like, we've done polling,

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Speaker 2: we've done focus grouping, the numbers on this are just

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Speaker 2: absolutely abysmal. Like the public and there's and every argument

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Speaker 2: that we made on behalf of our position made the

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01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 2: public less likely, not more likely to support our position.

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Speaker 2: So like you're you're just you're not going to win.

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01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 2: No amount of pushing on this issue is going to

1247
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 2: get you to a place where you're winning. And so

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01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 2: then when you lose on that issue, you end up

1249
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 2: losing on a whole slew of other issues as well.

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Speaker 2: And so I think his point about the fairness, it's

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Speaker 2: so then what do you do?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 2: Like? And I think the prison question is is an

1254
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Speaker 2: interesting one too. And so if democrats, you know, democrats say, look,

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Speaker 2: there's they don't like when people say there's only two genders.

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Speaker 2: But then if that's the case, why should there be

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Speaker 2: only two divisions you know, men's prison, women's prison, or

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Speaker 2: men's sports women's sports. You know, maybe there needs to

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Speaker 2: be uh you know cis men's sist women and and

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Speaker 2: and like non binary category or when it comes to prison,

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Speaker 2: like transmen and trans women are segregated, SIS women and

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Speaker 2: SIST men, Like this is something that we can think

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Speaker 2: about as a society in a respectful way that gives

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Speaker 2: dignity people, but also like absorbs, how people feel about

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Speaker 2: it and aren't gonna and are not going to change

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Speaker 2: no matter what according to like all of the polling

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Speaker 2: and focus grouping and conversations and common sense. You know,

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Speaker 2: where do you come where do you come down on it? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean I think everything you said is reasonable. Where

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Speaker 1: I get upset is you know, you had immediately after

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Speaker 1: the election, you had a few members of Congress that

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Speaker 1: were like, oh, well, the problem for the Democratic Party

1273
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 1: is they just need to like surrender on you know,

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01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 1: this issue in particular, and because the polling is so bad.

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Speaker 1: And like, I get that the polling is bad, but

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01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 1: it ignores a few things. I mean, first of all,

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Speaker 1: it ignores how bad the polling is for Republicans on

1278
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 1: certain you know issues, especially like Donald Trump pardoning violent

1279
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 1: January sixers who beat up cops really unpopular, like extremely unpopular.

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Speaker 1: You know, taking over Greenland really unpopular. Even core part

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01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 1: of his economic agenda right now on terriffs really really unpopular.

1282
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 1: Cutting Social Security, cutting Medicaid really unpopular. And so where

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Speaker 1: I get very skeptical is when you have people like

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Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom who think that this is all it's very

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01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 1: convenient for them to say, like, oh, we just need

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01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 1: to basically sort of throw these vulnerable people under the bus.

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01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: And that's the key back to Democratic Party because it

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01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 1: allows them to continue operating as they were. It allows

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Speaker 1: them to keep taking big money, you know, from donors,

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Speaker 1: It allows them to keep pushing a lily status quo

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01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 1: agenda in terms of economics, And the other piece where

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Speaker 1: I worry is, you know, Republicans initially postured like, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: we only care about trans you know, trans kids, Like

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Speaker 1: if you're an adult, do whatever you want, of course,

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Speaker 1: the free country, et cetera, et cetera. Now you've got

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Speaker 1: a law up in Texas where people who identify as

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Speaker 1: trans could be prosecuted for fraud.

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Speaker 4: So that's the other piece is like, I think there's a.

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Speaker 3: Bride the congressman from Delaware. Yeah, is.

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Speaker 2: You know, being called a man by her and she's

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Speaker 2: an adult, So yes, this this like claim that they

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Speaker 2: only care about kids and adults should be able to

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Speaker 2: make the choices that they want to make, is yeah,

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Speaker 2: he lies their actual reaction.

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Speaker 1: I just I reject the idea that this issue is

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Speaker 1: actually the reason why Democrats are struggling. I think it

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Speaker 1: has much more to do with selling out the working class.

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Speaker 1: And so if your answer doesn't lead with like, there's

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Speaker 1: literally like a dozen trans girls in sports in the

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Speaker 1: entire country, And so if you're fixated on this, you

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Speaker 1: are not definitionly like thinking about the issues that actually

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Speaker 1: impact millions and millions of Americans, And then it's not

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Speaker 1: that important to me. Ultimately where you fall on this

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Speaker 1: particular issue, because I do think it is a challenging one.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that you know, the sort of like

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Speaker 1: binary works for everything. I think there is a question

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Speaker 1: of fairness. I think it could even vary sport to

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Speaker 1: sport what the right answer ultimately looks like. But if

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Speaker 1: you are foregrounding this as like the central party for

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party, that's where I have an issue, and

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Speaker 1: that's I think the camp that Gavin Newsom very much

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Speaker 1: falls into.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but like what what you said is like was

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Speaker 2: not what they were saying before, before they were drawing

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Speaker 2: a very hard line on this, rather than saying, you know,

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Speaker 2: this is open for discussion, we need to figure all

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Speaker 2: of this out.

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Speaker 1: I think they're probably ultimately going to say, like, this

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Speaker 1: isn't something for states and localities to work out. And

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Speaker 1: I don't have any problem with that answer. What I

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Speaker 1: do have a problem with is first of all, the

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Speaker 1: you know, the misgendering and the just instinct to sort

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Speaker 1: of throw this like, oh, this group's a problem for us,

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Speaker 1: so we're just going to throw them under the buzzo immigrations,

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Speaker 1: We're just going to throw that under the bus, rather

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Speaker 1: than actually making a case for your views and ideals.

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Speaker 1: And there's so much of an instinct in the Democratic

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Speaker 1: Party right now to just capitulate on any area where

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Speaker 1: they're you know, where they're underwater, pulling wise, And that

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Speaker 1: is not how They're Republican Party operates at all, like,

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Speaker 1: not even a little. It's certainly not how Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: operates at all. So I think it is just like

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Speaker 1: wildly learning the wrong lessons from the last election. Yeah, well, Ryan,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for spending some time with us

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Speaker 1: this morning, and hope pleasure. Yes, indeed, I'm sure there

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Speaker 1: are gonna be like eighteen million more stories that break

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Speaker 1: over the weekend that Soccer and I will struggle to

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Speaker 1: squeeze into a show on Monday. If anything truly huge breaks,

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Speaker 1: we will make sure to cover it over the weekend. Then, guys,

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Speaker 1: enjoy your Friday, enjoy your weekend, and Soccer and I

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Speaker 1: will see you guys on Monday.