WEBVTT - Hell and Gone Murder Line: Hannah Truelove 0:00:46.480 --> 0:00:51.961 School of Humans. Helen Got Murder Line actively investigates cold 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:55.361 case murders in an effort to raise public awareness invite 0:00:55.401 --> 0:00:58.761 witnesses to come forward and present evidence that could potentially 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:02.961 be further investigated by law enforcement. While we value insights 0:01:03.001 --> 0:01:06.160 from family and community members, their statements should not be 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:09.961 considered evidence and point to the challenges of verifying facts 0:01:10.041 --> 0:01:14.041 inherent in cold cases. We remind listeners that everyone has 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:17.160 presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. 0:01:17.961 --> 0:01:20.840 Nothing in the podcast is intended to state or imply 0:01:21.041 --> 0:01:23.601 that anyone who has not been convicted of a crime 0:01:24.121 --> 0:01:27.121 is guilty of any wrongdoing. Thanks for listening. 0:01:32.481 --> 0:01:36.601 On August twenty fourth, twenty twelve, a Vietnam veteran who 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:39.481 had been visiting the Lake Linear Club apartments off the 0:01:39.561 --> 0:01:43.560 Dawsonville Highway in Gainesville, Georgia with his daughter and grandchildren, 0:01:43.961 --> 0:01:46.720 was taking a walk through the woods behind the complex 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:50.841 the man light taking nature walks, and he was also 0:01:51.161 --> 0:01:53.161 following up on a report that he had made to 0:01:53.201 --> 0:01:57.161 the apartment management about a missing manhole cover. He later 0:01:57.240 --> 0:01:59.801 told police he wanted to see if that manhole cover 0:01:59.881 --> 0:02:03.641 had been replaced yet. It was around seven or seven 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:08.881 fifteen pm in the evening, still almost full daylight, and 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:11.800 when the man paused near a stream bed, he saw 0:02:11.841 --> 0:02:15.800 something disturbing, something that he had first thought was a mannequin. 0:02:16.761 --> 0:02:20.281 Upon closer inspection, he realized that he was looking at 0:02:20.281 --> 0:02:25.800 a dead body, and he called nine to one one. 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:30.001 The young woman was sixteen year old Hannah Truelove, a 0:02:30.041 --> 0:02:33.800 student at Gainesville High School. Hannah had been missing since 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:37.001 the night before, and even though her exact cause of 0:02:37.041 --> 0:02:40.641 death has not been revealed, police say she died a 0:02:40.761 --> 0:02:45.521 violent death. She had been stabbedultiple times and left in 0:02:45.561 --> 0:02:49.081 the stream bed a quarter mile away from home. Her 0:02:49.121 --> 0:02:52.441 flip flop was found a few yards away, tangled in 0:02:52.521 --> 0:02:59.001 some branches. Who killed Hannah Tree Love? I'm Catherine Townsend. 0:02:59.441 --> 0:03:02.281 Over the past seven years of making my true crime podcast, 0:03:02.361 --> 0:03:06.001 Helen Gone, I've received hundreds of messages from people all 0:03:06.001 --> 0:03:09.001 around the country asking for help with an unsolved murder 0:03:09.041 --> 0:03:13.801 that's affected them, their families, and their communities. If you 0:03:14.001 --> 0:03:15.881 have a case she'd like me and my team to 0:03:15.921 --> 0:03:18.241 look into, you can reach out to us at our 0:03:18.281 --> 0:03:21.601 Helen Gone Murder line at six seven eight seven four 0:03:21.721 --> 0:03:25.881 four six one four five. That's six seven eight seven 0:03:26.001 --> 0:03:29.721 four four six one four five, or you can send 0:03:29.761 --> 0:03:33.281 us a message on Instagram at Hell and Gone pod. 0:03:34.721 --> 0:04:21.080 This is Helen Gone murder line. Hannah Truelove's autopsy reports 0:04:21.081 --> 0:04:24.961 have never been made public, but information has come out 0:04:25.001 --> 0:04:27.361 through the media over the years, and some of the 0:04:27.361 --> 0:04:31.201 investigators on the case have commented publicly on her injuries. 0:04:32.801 --> 0:04:36.440 Hannah was stabbed several times, but because it had rained 0:04:36.481 --> 0:04:39.681 heavily the night before, a lot of crucial evidence had 0:04:39.721 --> 0:04:42.481 been washed away. There was very little blood at the 0:04:42.521 --> 0:04:46.080 crime scene. Even so, it seemed like a frenzied attack. 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:51.440 Police investigated Hannah's timeline. They were trying to figure out 0:04:51.481 --> 0:04:54.200 her pattern of movement, what was going on in her life, 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:58.080 and who might have wanted to hurt her. Hannah Osborne 0:04:58.121 --> 0:05:02.721 Truelove was born on May eighteenth, nineteen ninety six. Her parents, 0:05:02.961 --> 0:05:05.681 Jeff and mona true Love, divorced when she was seven 0:05:05.761 --> 0:05:09.481 years old, so she lived with her mother. Hannah had 0:05:09.481 --> 0:05:12.881 two older siblings, a brother and a sister, both of 0:05:12.921 --> 0:05:17.321 them already lived on their own. Her father, Jeff, lived 0:05:17.361 --> 0:05:21.200 in Jackson County, Georgia, which was just a short drive away. 0:05:21.801 --> 0:05:25.161 Hannah and her mother lived at the Lake Lanier Club apartments. 0:05:25.801 --> 0:05:29.841 It's an upscale neighborhood and generally a safe area. It's 0:05:29.881 --> 0:05:32.200 gated and you need an access code to get in, 0:05:32.921 --> 0:05:35.960 though the area near the waterline is open to the public, 0:05:36.481 --> 0:05:40.161 and since investigators haven't released the exact location where Hannah 0:05:40.201 --> 0:05:43.681 was found, it's hard to say for sure if her 0:05:43.721 --> 0:05:46.401 the killer would have needed an access code to get in, 0:05:47.081 --> 0:05:49.601 or if they could have been invited in or possibly 0:05:49.801 --> 0:05:55.121 broken in or snuck in. Interestingly, though Lake Lanier is 0:05:55.201 --> 0:05:58.760 beautiful and the largest lake in Georgia, it's also one 0:05:58.761 --> 0:06:02.721 of the deadliest lakes in the United States. About seven 0:06:02.841 --> 0:06:06.401 hundred people have died there in total. There have been 0:06:06.441 --> 0:06:08.721 a lot of news stories about the unexplained deaths in 0:06:08.721 --> 0:06:13.601 the lakes, drownings, boating accidents, and foul play. Not only 0:06:13.721 --> 0:06:17.201 is the lake dangerous, but rescues are challenging because divers 0:06:17.241 --> 0:06:21.081 have very little visibility below the water surface, mainly because 0:06:21.081 --> 0:06:24.281 of all the debris that's there, which includes construction materials, 0:06:24.321 --> 0:06:28.640 sunken boats, and random trash. Some people even believe that 0:06:28.681 --> 0:06:32.361 the lake is haunted, but deaths in the water aside. 0:06:32.681 --> 0:06:35.841 The area around Lake Lanier is generally thought of as 0:06:35.961 --> 0:06:40.241 very safe, so Hannah's family and friends were shocked by 0:06:40.241 --> 0:06:45.041 the brutal attack. Hannah's family and friends say she loved 0:06:45.081 --> 0:06:48.361 animals and had dreams of studying veterinary medicine and maybe 0:06:48.561 --> 0:06:51.721 one day becoming a vet. She helped take care of 0:06:51.761 --> 0:06:55.521 the family pets, a Yorkshire Terrier and two cats while 0:06:55.521 --> 0:06:56.760 her mom, Mona. 0:06:56.561 --> 0:06:57.001 Was at work. 0:06:57.801 --> 0:07:01.681 At about six feet tall, Hannah was striking. She seemed 0:07:01.721 --> 0:07:04.200 to take an interest in modeling. Some reports say she 0:07:04.281 --> 0:07:07.320 actually did some modeling, others say that she was just 0:07:07.361 --> 0:07:09.921 interested in getting into it, but either way, she was 0:07:10.121 --> 0:07:14.561 very active in extracurricular activities, including gymnastics, singing, and music. 0:07:15.361 --> 0:07:19.201 In general, Hannah was a happy and loving teenager, but 0:07:19.721 --> 0:07:22.281 she had had some issues in the past with truancy. 0:07:22.921 --> 0:07:26.041 The Division of Family and Children's Services visited her at 0:07:26.041 --> 0:07:30.041 home for not showing up at school. Also, Hannah and 0:07:30.081 --> 0:07:33.641 her mother had gotten into fights in the past. Police 0:07:33.641 --> 0:07:35.881 had responded to the home at one point after one 0:07:35.881 --> 0:07:39.401 of these arguments, which Hannah said happened because of Mona's drinking. 0:07:41.041 --> 0:07:45.121 According to media reports, Mona had had multiple dwis in 0:07:45.161 --> 0:07:49.241 the past, but on August twenty third, it didn't seem 0:07:49.321 --> 0:07:52.041 as though there was any major drama at home other 0:07:52.161 --> 0:07:55.001 than Hannah and her mother having a disagreement over whether 0:07:55.081 --> 0:07:58.161 or not Hannah could have a cell phone. That day, 0:07:58.321 --> 0:08:01.921 Hannah went to school. She also met with her DCFS 0:08:01.961 --> 0:08:05.801 case manager. Hannah was behind at school and apparently taking 0:08:05.841 --> 0:08:08.641 both sophomore classes and junior classes. As she tried to 0:08:08.641 --> 0:08:12.081 catch up, she talked to her caseworker about improving her 0:08:12.081 --> 0:08:14.481 math grade so that she could take eleventh grade math. 0:08:15.161 --> 0:08:18.601 According to the caseworker, the meeting went well and Hannah 0:08:18.681 --> 0:08:21.721 seemed to be in a good mood. After school, Hannah 0:08:21.761 --> 0:08:25.561 went home. She didn't see her mom, but Mona assumed 0:08:25.561 --> 0:08:28.481 that Hannah had been inside the apartment because Hannah's normal 0:08:28.561 --> 0:08:32.041 routine was to drop her stuff off inside and then 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:34.441 to head outside to the grassy area by the picnic 0:08:34.481 --> 0:08:37.961 tables to hang out with friends. Police also talked to 0:08:38.001 --> 0:08:40.961 some neighbors at the Lake Lanier Club apartments who said 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:44.241 they saw Hannah hanging out near the complex at four 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:47.721 pm on Thursday. They have also stated that in the 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:51.121 late afternoon, she was sitting on some wooden steps that 0:08:51.321 --> 0:08:54.841 led to the walking trails behind the apartment complex. She 0:08:55.001 --> 0:08:58.040 was also seen at around seven thirty pm by neighbors 0:08:58.481 --> 0:09:03.401 sitting at the apartment complex picnic tables. Mona worked long 0:09:03.521 --> 0:09:06.840 hours from around seven am to seven pm, and when 0:09:06.881 --> 0:09:09.241 she got back to the apartment that day, the mail 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:12.881 from the house and Hannah's belongings were inside, and Hannah 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:17.201 presumably was outside. But Hannah might have been outside for 0:09:17.241 --> 0:09:20.561 another reason besides her routine. She may have been avoiding 0:09:20.601 --> 0:09:24.641 her mother. Hannah's father, Jeff, was on Nancy Grace in 0:09:24.681 --> 0:09:28.281 September twenty twelve along with one of the detectives working 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:31.721 the case, and he shed some light on the timeline. 0:09:31.721 --> 0:09:35.441 On August twenty third, he told Nancy Grace that Mona 0:09:35.561 --> 0:09:39.121 called him at around nine pm saying that Hannah hadn't 0:09:39.121 --> 0:09:42.441 come home. Jeff said that she asked him if Hannah 0:09:42.481 --> 0:09:45.281 was with him, and when he said no, Mona said 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:47.041 that she hadn't come home and that was starting to 0:09:47.041 --> 0:09:52.081 get dark. Both Mona and Jeff were immediately concerned. Jeff 0:09:52.121 --> 0:09:54.721 said that after Mona called him to say that Hannah 0:09:54.761 --> 0:09:59.041 was missing, he kept calling back every few minutes, but 0:09:59.121 --> 0:10:03.521 Hannah never showed up back home, so Jeff said that 0:10:03.561 --> 0:10:06.681 Mona called him back at around ten fifteen PM and 0:10:06.761 --> 0:10:09.001 let him know that she had called the police to 0:10:09.041 --> 0:10:13.041 report Hannah missing. At that point, Jeff said, quote, she 0:10:13.161 --> 0:10:15.481 said that she'd called the law and that she's sure 0:10:15.561 --> 0:10:18.641 she is run away. And I said, well, why would 0:10:18.681 --> 0:10:21.921 she run away? She goes she's upset with me, and 0:10:22.001 --> 0:10:24.481 I said, well, okay, you know, but. 0:10:24.521 --> 0:10:26.521 She wouldn't run away. End quote. 0:10:27.401 --> 0:10:31.481 This made me wonder about the family dynamic. It sounds 0:10:31.521 --> 0:10:34.241 like Jeff and Mona didn't agree on everything, but that 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:36.681 they were trying their best to co parent, which of 0:10:36.721 --> 0:10:41.881 course is not uncommon in parenting teens after divorces. Jeff 0:10:41.961 --> 0:10:44.641 said that Hannah and her mother had been arguing because 0:10:44.681 --> 0:10:47.401 her mother would not allow Hannah to have a cell phone, 0:10:47.401 --> 0:10:50.641 and Jeff said he didn't necessarily agree with that decision. 0:10:51.081 --> 0:10:53.521 He said that he was going to get his daughter 0:10:53.601 --> 0:10:54.001 a phone. 0:10:54.801 --> 0:10:58.280 According to a verified friend of the family who posted 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:01.800 on websleus, without a phone, Hannah was only able to 0:11:01.841 --> 0:11:04.521 communicate with her father if he called her mother or 0:11:04.561 --> 0:11:06.920 if he came by the apartment and parked in a 0:11:06.961 --> 0:11:11.561 space that she could see from the apartment. Despite these difficulties, 0:11:11.641 --> 0:11:14.401 Hannah and her father were in touch a lot. That 0:11:14.561 --> 0:11:17.281 friend on websleus so that Jeff had spent a lot 0:11:17.321 --> 0:11:19.201 of time with Hannah that summer and that they had 0:11:19.241 --> 0:11:20.361 standing dinner dates. 0:11:23.521 --> 0:11:25.200 The Gainesville Police. 0:11:24.801 --> 0:11:28.761 Department initially responded to Mona's missing persons call, but when 0:11:28.801 --> 0:11:31.881 Hannah's body was found the next day on Friday evening 0:11:31.921 --> 0:11:35.361 across the county line, Hall County Police took. 0:11:35.201 --> 0:11:36.121 Over the investigation. 0:11:37.241 --> 0:11:41.201 Sergeant Stephen Wilbanks from the Hall County Sheriff's Office told 0:11:41.321 --> 0:11:45.521 Nancy Grace that police believed Hannah's body had not been 0:11:45.681 --> 0:11:49.881 taken elsewhere and then dumped. They believed that Hannah was 0:11:50.001 --> 0:11:53.921 killed at the location where her body was found. He 0:11:54.001 --> 0:11:56.680 also said on the program that he believed that whoever 0:11:56.761 --> 0:12:00.401 killed Hannah was familiar with that area and familiar with 0:12:00.441 --> 0:12:03.521 the walking paths running back by the lake, the ones 0:12:03.601 --> 0:12:08.081 that ran past the apartment complex where Hannah lived. Several 0:12:08.201 --> 0:12:11.921 residents posted online complaining about a lack of safety at 0:12:11.921 --> 0:12:15.681 the Lake Linear Club apartments. This complex had a reputation 0:12:15.761 --> 0:12:20.081 as being safe, but these commenters said that sometimes gates 0:12:20.121 --> 0:12:23.601 were left broken for long periods of time, so anyone 0:12:23.681 --> 0:12:26.801 could get into the apartments without a code. They also 0:12:26.961 --> 0:12:29.521 talked about how a lot of people had had their 0:12:29.561 --> 0:12:33.601 apartments broken into and had things stolen even during the day. 0:12:34.761 --> 0:12:38.241 Because Hannah didn't have a phone, there were no cell 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:41.321 phone records to go through. There was also rumor by 0:12:41.361 --> 0:12:44.321 the way that police investigated that Hannah could possibly have 0:12:44.361 --> 0:12:47.401 had a secret cell phone, but according to media reports, 0:12:47.801 --> 0:12:51.680 this was never proven. But law enforcement did go through 0:12:51.721 --> 0:12:54.921 Hannah's social media. She was very active on Twitter, and 0:12:54.961 --> 0:12:58.361 she also used her Nintendo DS to communicate with friends, 0:12:58.961 --> 0:13:03.281 so they confiscated the gaming system, but according to media reports, 0:13:03.681 --> 0:13:08.481 they didn't find anything useful on Hanna's Nintendo DS. But 0:13:08.641 --> 0:13:13.081 Hannah did have several cryptic tweets, some seem to reference 0:13:13.081 --> 0:13:16.241 a breakup. She posted lyrics from the U two song, 0:13:16.361 --> 0:13:19.641 one which read quote did I ask too much more 0:13:19.681 --> 0:13:20.201 than a lot? 0:13:20.361 --> 0:13:23.521 You gave me nothing? Now it's all of God end quote. 0:13:24.001 --> 0:13:27.801 So she seemed to be posting quotes about love and loss, 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:32.241 and then shortly before her murder, Hannah also had other 0:13:32.521 --> 0:13:46.161 more disturbing tweets, including one that mentioned a stalker. Hannah 0:13:46.241 --> 0:13:49.801 Truelove's case is still technically an open case, so our 0:13:49.841 --> 0:13:53.641 four yer request has not come through, and even thirteen 0:13:53.721 --> 0:13:57.361 years later, there is a lot of speculation online about 0:13:57.361 --> 0:14:00.081 what happened to Hannah. Since there are a lot of 0:14:00.161 --> 0:14:03.440 rumors floating around about this case, I do think it's 0:14:03.481 --> 0:14:08.041 important to rule out possibilities when we can. Some people 0:14:08.081 --> 0:14:11.800 have asked about the man who found Hannah's body, especially 0:14:11.881 --> 0:14:15.281 because in his nine one one call he mentioned that 0:14:15.841 --> 0:14:18.721 he found the body of a young woman who looked 0:14:18.721 --> 0:14:21.041 like she had been dead for two or three days. 0:14:21.481 --> 0:14:22.801 Now. His name has. 0:14:22.761 --> 0:14:25.801 Never been publicly released, but it was revealed on the 0:14:25.881 --> 0:14:28.841 Nancy Gray Show. The man who found Hannah's body was 0:14:28.961 --> 0:14:30.921 visiting his daughter and his grandchildren. 0:14:31.161 --> 0:14:32.561 He was interviewed by police. 0:14:32.881 --> 0:14:35.601 He was very cooperative and he was ruled out as 0:14:35.601 --> 0:14:39.961 a suspect, and police have said several times they think 0:14:40.001 --> 0:14:44.281 that Hannah's murderer was someone she knew. Her father, Jeff, 0:14:44.401 --> 0:14:47.361 was the one who identified her body. He told Nancy 0:14:47.401 --> 0:14:50.001 Gray's quote, it looks like she got the crap beat 0:14:50.001 --> 0:14:53.321 out of her, possibly by another girl, because she had 0:14:53.361 --> 0:14:54.561 a lot of scratches on. 0:14:54.521 --> 0:14:56.441 Her face end quote. 0:14:56.761 --> 0:14:59.361 Hannah's parents said that to their knowledge, she had not 0:14:59.441 --> 0:15:02.681 had a serious boyfriend, but we do have to consider 0:15:02.721 --> 0:15:05.641 the possibility that she did have love interest. That her 0:15:05.681 --> 0:15:08.361 parents or even some of her friends may not have 0:15:08.401 --> 0:15:12.041 known about. There are a lot of posts on social media, 0:15:12.401 --> 0:15:16.161 especially comments on old Facebook posts about the case, alluding 0:15:16.161 --> 0:15:18.561 to a love triangle with a friend of Hannah's and 0:15:18.601 --> 0:15:22.161 a local high school guy who was dating Hannah's female friend. 0:15:23.041 --> 0:15:26.521 This person, according to multiple comments, was the son of 0:15:26.561 --> 0:15:29.681 someone who worked in law enforcement. He's been identified on 0:15:29.721 --> 0:15:32.561 social media, but I have no idea if the love 0:15:32.641 --> 0:15:35.321 triangle rumors are true or not, so I'm not naming 0:15:35.401 --> 0:15:38.961 him here. There are other tweets from Hannah that reference 0:15:39.041 --> 0:15:42.561 possible fighting with her mom, including one from May that 0:15:42.641 --> 0:15:46.881 talked about Hannah making her mother's nose. But again, there 0:15:46.961 --> 0:15:49.321 was no evidence that Hannah and her mother were having 0:15:49.441 --> 0:15:52.041 any kind of a serious conflict on August twenty third, 0:15:52.841 --> 0:15:55.601 or that they interacted much at all, because by the 0:15:55.681 --> 0:15:59.601 time her mom got home, Hannah was already outside. But 0:15:59.681 --> 0:16:02.881 the family drama was a prevalent topic on social media 0:16:03.401 --> 0:16:04.961 and on comments below. 0:16:05.161 --> 0:16:06.881 A lot of articles about the murder. 0:16:08.001 --> 0:16:11.361 After an initial flurry of articles, by the way, Hannah's 0:16:11.401 --> 0:16:16.201 case pretty much disappeared from the headlines. A lot of 0:16:16.281 --> 0:16:19.001 commenters seemed to feel that that could be because of 0:16:19.001 --> 0:16:22.681 what Hannah was going through at home. They and I 0:16:22.761 --> 0:16:25.561 wonder if Hannah didn't get as much coverage as some 0:16:25.601 --> 0:16:29.681 other cases due to the DCFS investigation. Maybe she wasn't 0:16:29.721 --> 0:16:34.641 seen as the perfect victim. Still, even in twenty twenty five, 0:16:35.241 --> 0:16:38.881 way too often we see that coverage of missing teen 0:16:38.961 --> 0:16:41.721 cases where the victims are described as straight A students 0:16:41.801 --> 0:16:46.241 or beauty queens get preferential treatment. It's not right, but 0:16:46.361 --> 0:16:50.601 it still happens. In the weeks and months that followed 0:16:50.601 --> 0:16:53.681 Hannah's murder, a lot of theories were getting posted on 0:16:53.721 --> 0:16:57.641 social media, including on Facebook, and a lot of people 0:16:57.721 --> 0:17:00.521 claiming to be in hand to social circle were weighing in. 0:17:01.521 --> 0:17:06.160 But in the actual police investigation, Sergeant Wilbanks of the 0:17:06.161 --> 0:17:10.161 Hall County Sheriff's Office said on Nancy Grace that police 0:17:10.201 --> 0:17:13.761 had run into some problems because some of the people 0:17:13.801 --> 0:17:18.880 in Hannah's community were not cooperating with law enforcement. Commoners 0:17:18.921 --> 0:17:22.521 online wondered were the people in her social circle afraid 0:17:23.201 --> 0:17:26.081 or was there some other reason why they weren't cooperating. 0:17:26.961 --> 0:17:29.480 There is a lot that we don't know about Hannah's 0:17:29.521 --> 0:17:32.721 last movements, like which friends she was seen with. 0:17:33.281 --> 0:17:35.001 We know that Hannah was talking. 0:17:34.721 --> 0:17:37.041 To people at the picnic tables, but we don't know 0:17:37.120 --> 0:17:38.361 who those people were. 0:17:39.041 --> 0:17:40.481 They haven't been named publicly. 0:17:41.360 --> 0:17:44.521 We do know that some of her friends apparently told 0:17:44.561 --> 0:17:48.321 police they last saw her at seven thirty before they 0:17:48.361 --> 0:17:51.120 left the apartment complex to go home, and at around 0:17:51.201 --> 0:17:54.641 the same time, some neighbors at the complex told police. 0:17:54.441 --> 0:17:56.360 They saw her at the picnic tables. 0:17:56.681 --> 0:17:59.561 So seven point thirty seems to be the last time 0:17:59.641 --> 0:18:04.721 when Hannah was seen alive. But there's another theory that 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:09.321 Hannah had a stalker. Looking back through Hannah's tweets, she 0:18:09.441 --> 0:18:13.401 talked about being afraid. On August twelfth, she tweeted, quote, 0:18:13.761 --> 0:18:18.001 I have a scary ass stalker end quote. We don't 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:20.921 know the full history of those tweets, so it's very 0:18:20.921 --> 0:18:23.721 hard to judge with no context. Could she have been 0:18:23.761 --> 0:18:28.281 talking about her mom maybe being sarcastic, or was there. 0:18:28.121 --> 0:18:30.001 Someone she was actually afraid of. 0:18:31.001 --> 0:18:33.921 Hannah's father, Jeff, also made some comments on a news 0:18:33.961 --> 0:18:37.441 program about Hannah not wanting to ride the school bus 0:18:37.681 --> 0:18:41.080 and possibly being afraid to ride the school bus. The 0:18:41.121 --> 0:18:43.640 school bus comments could have been because Hannah was a 0:18:43.721 --> 0:18:47.641 afraid of encountering someone, but then again, her dad was 0:18:47.681 --> 0:18:50.761 teaching her to drive, and like a lot of teens, 0:18:51.001 --> 0:18:53.481 Hannah was focused on getting a license and getting your 0:18:53.521 --> 0:18:56.241 own car, so that could have been while she was 0:18:56.241 --> 0:18:59.321 making comments about not wanting to ride the bus. There 0:18:59.361 --> 0:19:02.640 was another tweet that caught my eye. On August twenty third, 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:05.401 she tweeted, quote, I've got to get out of these. 0:19:05.361 --> 0:19:06.921 Dang apartments end quote. 0:19:07.521 --> 0:19:09.600 She was tweeting that she wanted to move out of 0:19:09.601 --> 0:19:11.761 the apartments where she and her mom were living. 0:19:12.681 --> 0:19:13.921 The police chalk the. 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:17.441 Stalker tweets up to teenage drama rather than any specific threat. 0:19:18.441 --> 0:19:22.241 The original detective assigned to the case, Lieutenant Franklin, told 0:19:22.281 --> 0:19:25.321 The Gainesville Times quote, with the help of family and 0:19:25.361 --> 0:19:28.521 friends and numerous interviews, we were able to build the 0:19:28.561 --> 0:19:31.761 context of those tweets and to vet them out, and 0:19:31.881 --> 0:19:35.001 basically they were just her venting, and there was nothing 0:19:35.041 --> 0:19:38.200 that was a legitimate threat that came from those end quote. 0:19:38.921 --> 0:19:42.281 Lieutenant Franklin said the tweet was referencing a guy at 0:19:42.321 --> 0:19:46.321 Hannah's school who liked himana, but apparently Hannah didn't like 0:19:46.401 --> 0:19:50.080 him back. Lieutenant Franklin said the boy had shown up 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:53.241 at her house with flowers. He was interviewed and eliminated 0:19:53.281 --> 0:19:58.161 as a possible suspect. Lieutenant Franklin reiterated that police believed 0:19:58.161 --> 0:20:01.481 Hannah's killer was not a random stalker, that she knew 0:20:01.521 --> 0:20:05.481 her killer, and Lieutenant Franklin also said something else publicly 0:20:05.521 --> 0:20:08.721 for the first time, that he believed Hannah may have 0:20:08.801 --> 0:20:12.801 been killed by more than one person, or that at 0:20:12.881 --> 0:20:16.521 least more than one person may have been present while 0:20:16.561 --> 0:20:19.880 she was attacked. He talked about how he hoped that 0:20:19.921 --> 0:20:23.321 detectives would be able to talk to those people, saying, quote, 0:20:23.481 --> 0:20:26.120 who we try to reach are not necessarily the person 0:20:26.161 --> 0:20:28.640 that had the knife in their hand, but anybody that 0:20:28.761 --> 0:20:31.801 was present and maybe would be less culpable and didn't 0:20:31.801 --> 0:20:35.321 have as much responsibility, but was just there, maybe in 0:20:35.361 --> 0:20:37.400 a situation they didn't want to be in. 0:20:37.801 --> 0:20:42.041 End quote, but investigators. 0:20:41.121 --> 0:20:45.201 Do have one lead that they've been chasing for years. 0:20:52.601 --> 0:20:55.761 Police did a lot of interviews, but at first had 0:20:55.801 --> 0:21:00.281 no clear suspects. The investigation was also complicated because the 0:21:00.361 --> 0:21:03.761 knight Hannah disappeared, it rained heavily two to three inches, 0:21:04.281 --> 0:21:07.321 and this rain washed away a lot of physical evidence. 0:21:08.241 --> 0:21:11.681 Ten years after Hannah's murder, Lieutenant Franklin talked to a 0:21:11.721 --> 0:21:15.281 local news channel eleven Alive News and took the reporter 0:21:15.401 --> 0:21:19.161 to the ravine where Hannah's body was found. Lieutenant Franklin 0:21:19.201 --> 0:21:21.961 told the reporter he believed that the spot where Hannah 0:21:22.001 --> 0:21:25.281 was killed could be an important clue because it was 0:21:25.361 --> 0:21:29.080 kind of a perfectly chosen spot. He believed that if 0:21:29.121 --> 0:21:32.801 Hannah was killed elsewhere, someone would have heard or seen something, 0:21:33.281 --> 0:21:37.680 but that spot was just remote enough, probably further pointing 0:21:37.681 --> 0:21:40.840 to the theory that Hannah's killer or killers knew the area. 0:21:41.801 --> 0:21:44.761 It would also presumably have been difficult to drag Hannah 0:21:44.801 --> 0:21:49.681 to that location kicking and screaming again. Police believe Hannah 0:21:49.761 --> 0:21:52.401 knew her killer and went down to the area willingly, 0:21:53.441 --> 0:21:55.761 knowing that she was seen at the picnic tables, and 0:21:56.001 --> 0:21:59.281 the witnesses reported seeing her sitting on a wooden staircase 0:21:59.281 --> 0:22:03.001 that leads down to the trailhead. Was Hannah waiting on someone, 0:22:03.401 --> 0:22:06.721 did someone lure her into those woods, or is it 0:22:06.761 --> 0:22:09.360 possible that she walked down the path with someone and 0:22:09.401 --> 0:22:13.281 they left and someone else was watching her. Police have 0:22:13.361 --> 0:22:16.921 stated publicly they believed that because Hannah was seen sitting 0:22:16.921 --> 0:22:20.241 on the wooden steps, that she encountered someone, maybe more 0:22:20.281 --> 0:22:23.360 than one person, and that she went willingly with that 0:22:23.401 --> 0:22:27.601 person or person's to the stream bed. After the rains, 0:22:27.681 --> 0:22:31.321 the waters started flowing fast, and Hannah's body was left 0:22:31.441 --> 0:22:33.961 in that fast moving water for an hour or more 0:22:34.161 --> 0:22:37.001 during the storm, so we know that a lot of 0:22:37.001 --> 0:22:37.880 the physical. 0:22:37.521 --> 0:22:39.001 Evidence was lost. 0:22:39.681 --> 0:22:42.761 Police have not released whether or not Hannah had clothes, 0:22:42.801 --> 0:22:45.481 on whether or not they looked for them or found 0:22:45.601 --> 0:22:49.281 evidence of sexual assault. Police have said they are withholding 0:22:49.321 --> 0:22:52.281 evidence because they want to protect the integrity of the investigation, 0:22:53.001 --> 0:22:55.921 but they have shared a lead, one that they've been 0:22:55.921 --> 0:22:59.281 trying to figure out for years. Police are looking for 0:22:59.321 --> 0:23:02.561 a distinctive vehicle that was seen in the apartment complex. 0:23:03.161 --> 0:23:06.241 It's been described as the nineteen nineties to two thousand 0:23:06.401 --> 0:23:10.881 silver four door Chevier Dodge with significant front end damage 0:23:11.161 --> 0:23:14.961 and a lighter colored driver's side door. They are hoping 0:23:15.121 --> 0:23:18.961 that someone saw that car, and Lieutenant Franklin has said 0:23:19.121 --> 0:23:22.241 he strongly believes Hannah was in the presence of more 0:23:22.281 --> 0:23:24.721 than one person at the time of her death, which 0:23:24.761 --> 0:23:27.241 makes me wonder if Hannah's father, Jeff, could be right 0:23:27.321 --> 0:23:30.361 about her facial wounds being inflicted by a female, if 0:23:30.401 --> 0:23:33.521 there was a female involved somehow, and if this could 0:23:33.521 --> 0:23:37.321 have been some kind of love triangle gone wrong. In 0:23:37.361 --> 0:23:40.961 twenty fifteen, Lieutenant Franklin said at a press conference, quote, 0:23:41.241 --> 0:23:43.961 we've had several persons of interest that we've taught to 0:23:44.080 --> 0:23:45.561 that remain persons of interest. 0:23:46.121 --> 0:23:47.161 What we're looking. 0:23:46.921 --> 0:23:50.120 For is someone on the fringe, someone with knowledge that 0:23:50.161 --> 0:23:52.761 has a piece of information that'll open the door to 0:23:52.801 --> 0:23:55.281 these people that we've already looked at but aren't ready 0:23:55.321 --> 0:23:56.161 to discount yet. 0:23:56.561 --> 0:23:57.721 End quote. 0:23:57.801 --> 0:24:01.481 He added, quote, We're confident we know who is responsible 0:24:01.521 --> 0:24:04.601 for her death. We've had a suspect since the beginning. 0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:07.001 Our issue is that we have a lack of evidence 0:24:07.041 --> 0:24:09.961 to tie that person to the crime. It's not to 0:24:09.961 --> 0:24:12.600 say we have zero evidence, but we just didn't have 0:24:12.721 --> 0:24:16.920 enough end quote. Police have not released the name of 0:24:16.961 --> 0:24:20.281 this potential person of interest. Lieutenant Franklin has dropped a 0:24:20.281 --> 0:24:22.601 few clues, saying that the suspect is. 0:24:22.601 --> 0:24:24.241 Mail and that he knew Hannah. 0:24:24.321 --> 0:24:27.321 He said police have talked to this person multiple times 0:24:27.681 --> 0:24:31.160 and that this person has denied any involvement in Hannah's murder. 0:24:35.121 --> 0:24:39.201 Hannah's mother, Mona, died in August of twenty twenty two, 0:24:39.361 --> 0:24:43.921 just before the tenth anniversary of Hannah's murder. She died 0:24:44.041 --> 0:24:48.721 without ever knowing who killed her daughter, and Lieutenant Franklin 0:24:48.761 --> 0:24:51.721