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Speaker 2: On August twenty fourth, twenty twelve, a Vietnam veteran who

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Speaker 2: had been visiting the Lake Linear Club apartments off the

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Speaker 2: Upon closer inspection, he realized that he was looking at

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Speaker 2: The young woman was sixteen year old Hannah Truelove, a

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Speaker 2: some branches. Who killed Hannah Tree Love? I'm Catherine Townsend.

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Speaker 2: This is Helen Gone murder line. Hannah Truelove's autopsy reports

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Speaker 2: Hannah was stabbed several times, but because it had rained

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Speaker 2: Police investigated Hannah's timeline. They were trying to figure out

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Speaker 2: Truelove was born on May eighteenth, nineteen ninety six. Her parents,

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Speaker 2: He added, quote, We're confident we know who is responsible

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Speaker 2: He said police have talked to this person multiple times

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Speaker 2: Lieutenant Franklin said he hopes that someone who knows something

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 2: The car was spotted around the Lake Lanier Club apartment

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Speaker 2: they can't come to grips with Hannah's death until they

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Speaker 2: are truthful about what happened to Hannah. We can't go

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Speaker 2: Almighty God you are willing to do for Hannah, even

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Speaker 2: though you may not have known her. I know in

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Speaker 2: End quote. I'm Catherine Townsend. This is Helen Gone Murder Line.

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