1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up 2 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: straight Fire? Fam it to meet Jason McIntyre. This is 3 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: straight Fire for Tuesday, November twenty three. But do we 4 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: have a special show today. It's not gonna be Giants 5 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: Tampa Heavy. That game sucked, it was awful. I'm angry, 6 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: but it's gonna be a great episode because our guest 7 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: is none other than Dan Shaughnessy, basically the dean of 8 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: Boston sports writing for the last three decades. I don't 9 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: know about you, guys. I I think of Boston sports. 10 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: I think of Dan Shaughnessy in the media. I grew 11 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: up reading this guy as soon as the Internet was around. 12 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: Of course. Um he was, you know, the start, the 13 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: jumping off point for anything Boston. And this guy wrote 14 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: a book which is I haven't read it yet, but 15 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: it sounds tremendous. Wish it lasted forever. Basically, he covered 16 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: the Celtics in the seventies and eighties. You know obviously 17 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: the eighties teams with Bird Parish McHale, and he had 18 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: a front road seat for it all. And this is 19 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: where he would ride the team playing the team bus. Uh. 20 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: It was basically embedded with the team for years. It 21 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: doesn't get much better than that. A lot of the 22 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: reporters now they just don't have any access. It's all 23 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: through layers. You gotta go through the team, and you 24 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: gotta go through the agent and the PR guy and 25 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:25,559 Speaker 1: the marketing guy. Shaughnessy has stories galore about being around 26 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: these guys. You know, one of the some of the 27 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: greater teams that the league has ever seen, some of 28 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: these Celtics teams. He's got stories and um, obviously I 29 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,479 Speaker 1: crowbar and some Patriots questions at the end, just because 30 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: you know, the Patriots are in first place in the 31 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 1: a f C. E's something that nobody thought was possible. 32 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: I think you're gonna love the interview. At the end, 33 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: we will do Thanksgiving best bets, Yes, Thanksgiving best bets 34 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: because there will be no podcast tomorrow. Um, just taking 35 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: a day off tomorrow. Will be back for sure on Friday. 36 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: Why is that? Well, we'll have NFL picks Friday and 37 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: I will be hosting The Day and Patrick Show on 38 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: Black Friday with Rob Parker. So check us out Friday morning. 39 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: You know when you wake up to drive to Black 40 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: Friday Pop on the radio. Dan Patrick Show I'll be 41 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: on it. It'll be fun. I haven't hosted in a 42 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: couple of months, but um, I've done up many times. 43 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: It's always fun. And Parker gets me all combative because 44 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: he says silly, incendiary stuff about guys that I cherished 45 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: in the sports world and enjoy watching. So it should 46 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: be fun on Friday. But first, before we get to 47 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: uh shaughnessy or Thanksgiving best bets, I just have to 48 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: quickly say how frustrating the New York Giants was last night. 49 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: The door was open. Okay, they never had a chance 50 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: to win that game. They were definitely the inferior team, 51 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: no doubt about it. But they drive deep into Tampa 52 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: territory and Danny Dimes cannot deliver on forth. Now they 53 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: get the ball back and Danny Dimes throws an unconscionable interception. 54 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: I don't know how I could have put him back 55 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: in the game after that. Um, he basically threw it 56 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: directly to a Tampa Bay player on what was supposed 57 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: to be a screen and he was under darrest. This 58 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: is just what he does. And then later in the 59 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: game another interception where I mean, Devin White just read 60 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: him like a book. The linebacker. Um, he got his 61 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: hand on I picked off Danny Times is just terrible. 62 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: I know, he goes through stretches where he looks like 63 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: a palatable quarterback and oh, maybe he can be okay, 64 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: And you could talk yourself into thinking the Giants have 65 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: something with Tony and Ingram and uh the Shepherd Shepherd 66 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: and um, oh yeah, say Goon Barklay is decent when 67 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: he can actually get going. And they just can never 68 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: get anything right. This team, in this franchise is just 69 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: so gross and disgusting. And this is you know, it's 70 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: one of those games and weekends in the NFL where 71 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: it leaves me frustrated. Uh and just real talk here. 72 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: It was a profitable weekend for me. It was a 73 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: good weekend NFL gambling, and I still went two and 74 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: three in the contest. And even though I made money, 75 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: I lost in the contest, lost ground. After the four 76 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: and one last week, I was feeling good and you know, 77 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: you just again, I don't know the discipline of not 78 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: overreacting to line moves, the world being on certain teams, 79 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: the market moving against me. I talked on the pod 80 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: last week about the Colts all week. I love the Colts. 81 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: And then it goes up to seven and a half. 82 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: That's that's big money to move it from seven to 83 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,559 Speaker 1: seven and a half on the bills, and I backed off. 84 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: I had already made the bets on the Colts, but 85 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: in the contest, you don't have to get your bets 86 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: until Saturday. So I said, let me, let me get 87 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: off the Colts. And the Vikings felt like the right side. 88 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 1: But then anywhere you look the whole everybody on the planet, 89 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 1: social media, any any article you read, any radio show, TV, 90 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: everybody loved the Vikings. And that's one of those where 91 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, I just don't know if I should 92 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: ride with everybody. So I said, you know what, I 93 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: had already bet them out the bets out there, but 94 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: I'm not going to do it in the contest. I'm 95 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 1: gonna change it up in the contest, and I went 96 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: Browns and Giants. And that's the difference between a form 97 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: one and or two and three. And it's just frustrating. 98 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 1: And that contest is more challenging than anything I've ever 99 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: are done. Folks, at any rate, um Giants, they're awful. 100 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: Major changes coming to that organization. Tampa Bay looks to 101 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 1: be getting right by the way. Tampa Bay Indie is 102 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 1: now going to be a tremendous game this weekend. Very 103 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: excited for it. But listen, it's way too early. The 104 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: Quentin Nelson injury, Yes, I mentioned an offensive lineman injury 105 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: on my I G stories. Definitely bears watching, but um, 106 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: that's in off NFL. Let's get to Dan Shaughnessy and 107 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: his new book, Wish It Lasted Forever. Jason likes to 108 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: think he knows everything when it comes to sports. I 109 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: know what sports dance wants, but for everything he doesn't, 110 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 1: he knows a guy who does. Let's just say I 111 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: know a guy who knows he knows another guy. All right, guys, 112 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: let's welcome into straight fire. One of the I don't know, 113 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: but I guess one of the biggest journalists on the 114 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: planet when I was growing up and reading newspapers all 115 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,799 Speaker 1: the time, and he was running things in Boston, covering 116 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 1: the Celtics and really at the forefront of the NBA 117 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: in the eighties. And he's got a new book coming out. 118 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: Sounds amazing. Wish It Lasted Forever. Dan Shaughnessy on the 119 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: NBA era of the seventies and eighties. Dan How are 120 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: you man, I'm good. How are you? I'm excellent because 121 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: I love this topic. I know, listen, I know it's 122 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: football season and a lot of people are loving want 123 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 1: to hear your take on the Patriots, who are in 124 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 1: first place, just making be vomit. But we gotta start 125 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: with your book, Wish It Lasted Forever. You essentially recovering 126 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: Larry Burden and the Celtics in the eighties, but not 127 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: the way that they cover the league now. I mean 128 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: looking at how the league is covered now versus what 129 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: you were able to do, writing on team flights, hanging 130 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 1: out with the players in the lobby. Like it's just 131 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: changed dramatically, has it not. Yeah, it was weird when 132 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: I remember when the COVID bubble hit and they came 133 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: back to play in the summer twenty twenty in Orlando, 134 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: and the reporters who went there had to sign a 135 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: way of saying they would not approach any player or 136 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 1: coach if they saw them, and they just didn't. You know, 137 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 1: there's a big moat now between us and them, and 138 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: I understand and that and players can direct you can 139 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 1: contact their fans directly in social media, and they don't 140 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 1: really need us anymore. And I get that. And then 141 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: you know the way they travel, you know, small planes 142 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: and charters and five star hotels and we're nowhere near 143 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: any of that practices closed all that stuff. Well, I 144 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: can tell you back when Dinosaur has rolled the earth 145 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: and Larry Bird, Robert Parrish and Kevin McHale roamed it 146 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: with him and the Beat reporters. I was at the 147 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: Boston Globe and uh, yeah, we it was like outside 148 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: of the not having the groupies and the fame and 149 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: the money, it was like being on the team. I 150 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: mean we were with them all the time. We were 151 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: on the buses, went to practice, stayed in the same hotels, 152 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: flew commercial waited for bags, made connections in Newark and 153 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: Chicago and all that stuff. So you're with these guys 154 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: all the time. You're really able to tell the readers 155 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: what they were like. And and this this book, uh 156 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: this book came out last week and it's sort of 157 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: a love letter to the earlier time of the NBA. 158 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: And again, you guys are kind of young, but the 159 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: league was kind of scuffling when Larry Byrn and Magic 160 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: came into to it. And um, you know the finals 161 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: are on tape delay, and you know, there was drug 162 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: issues in the league, and teams were losing money. Players 163 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: weren't that famous, and man, it just came roaring back 164 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: in the eighties and the Bird Magic Finals were like 165 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: the Allie Fraser for the NBA. And then of course 166 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: Michael came in, and by ninety two you got the 167 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: Dream Team and they're global and and and there's no 168 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: looking back. The NBA has just taken offs and sin. Yeah, 169 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: you mentioned the moat between us and them. Now, when 170 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: do you think that changed? Because, I mean, throughout the 171 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: eighties you had a front row seat for everything. Um, 172 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: and if you just go back and read some of 173 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: the clippings that you wrote back that it was clear 174 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: that you were like embedded with the team. When did 175 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: that change do you think, Well, yeah, when you say 176 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: front row seat literally and there's pictures in this book 177 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: where we're sitting is basically on the bench. You know, 178 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: there's those scores tables between the two benches that used 179 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: to be the lowly media and then they figured out 180 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: they could sell those things for multiple thousands of dollars 181 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: and we got bounced upstairs. And I understand that. So, 182 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: you know, one of the weird things. Jason. This actually 183 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: changed in the in the late eighties. I think with 184 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: the advent of frequent flyer miles and Marriott points. You know, 185 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: the writers started to separate. We wanted to get credit 186 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: for their own points, their own miles. And then teams said, 187 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: oh great, we don't have these guys around anymore. And 188 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: teams started getting private jess and did away with commercial flight. 189 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: That was player perks and you know plays association. So yeah, 190 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: it just got wider and wider, and and then you know, 191 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: we were never around after that, and you know, restrictions 192 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: on media access close and practice now with the pen, 193 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: with the pandemic, the locker rooms shut down, probably for good. 194 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: Abundance of caution will keep us away forever. I understand that. 195 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: So I'm just glad, you know, I got to do 196 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: it at the time, and we could really like we 197 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: got a situation with the Selks. Now, we don't know 198 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: Smart likes Brown, Brown likes Tatum, if they like the 199 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 1: new coach, you know, if they're brawling in the locker room. 200 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: We don't know any of that stuff because we're just 201 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 1: not near it. But I can tell you back then 202 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: we knew they didn't like Bill Fitch in the early eighties. 203 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: We knew Casey Jones was a solution for that, and 204 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 1: we knew that joy and fun, that they had security 205 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 1: in their own greatness. These guys really did like each other, 206 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: you know, Maxwell, Bird, Parish, Mikhael dj It was unusual 207 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: and it was special and and again this book sort 208 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: of brings that out. In the book, could do you 209 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: kind of chronicle you said they didn't like Bill Fitch. 210 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm assuming. Giving you around the team so much, 211 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: you were able to see the disdain and hear it 212 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,439 Speaker 1: from the players. Oh yeah, I was day drinking in 213 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: Chicago in a day off. Once an mL car came 214 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: back from practice. He's still wearing his sweats and he 215 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: had basically ended practice because you know, Coach Fitch was 216 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: yelling at everybody and they were done. Parrish and Max 217 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: and McHale, they were done with an mL commander, the 218 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: team bus that practices over, We're going home. We're going 219 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: back to the hotel and if you don't come with me, 220 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: you'll we have to get cabs to get back to 221 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: the to the hotel. So he was leading an insurrection 222 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: at that time, and he told us about it. In 223 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: the hotel bar. You know it was it was not 224 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: for quotes, but it was for our knowledge, so that 225 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: we knew. And sure enough, you know, they got swept 226 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: by the Bucks in that playoff, and Fitch took a 227 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:00,599 Speaker 1: hike and went to Hugh him to be with the 228 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 1: La Juan and Ralph Sampson and Casey rolled it out 229 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: and they were in the finals the next four years. Wow. 230 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: So it's interesting that you say we don't know, like now, 231 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: what's going on in the Celtics locker room. And I'm 232 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: sure there's a segment of the audience now saying, well, 233 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 1: why should you why should the media have tono? Why 234 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: you know? Why? Um kind of elaborate on why we 235 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: need to know. If you're a fan of the Celtics, 236 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: you know you're paying a lot of money to go 237 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: to those games if you're going, or you're paying cable 238 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: rights and everything, and it's it's more or less consumer 239 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: investment in protecting the consumer. Let you know if what 240 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: you're buying is legit, if there's reasons they're underperforming, and 241 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: if I'm a fan, I want to know that, and 242 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: I mean, in my view, if they don't like the coach, 243 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: if they if they need a new coach. We don't know. 244 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 1: With Stevens last year, was that because they just tuned 245 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: him out that it did he have to go? Do 246 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: you have to be kicked upstairs? I just think, you know, 247 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: if the fans don't care, I don't care because really 248 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: I'm not there for my own, you know, interest, I'm 249 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: there because I assume the fans of the team do 250 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: care about this stuff. So yeah, that's kind of the 251 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: root of it. And I just think again, when you 252 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: when you have that kind of access, you're able to 253 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 1: tell the fans what they're like. It brings out the personality. 254 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: I don't even know if you know Tatum and Brown 255 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: like each other, well I could tell you. You know, 256 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: Burt McHale liked each other and burd Maxwell had an 257 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: issue now and then the Calle and Burn had an 258 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: issue now and then. Maybe fans don't care. I think 259 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:23,839 Speaker 1: when you're invest in your your heart, your soul, and 260 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: your dollars into a team, you do want to know 261 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: stuff about him. Do you think, in some way in 262 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 1: newspapers kind of being shoved out of the locker room, 263 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 1: if you will, as open the void and that's been 264 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: filled by all these TV shows and radio shows like 265 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: you can basically go on and say whatever you want 266 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: now because guess what, nobody knows anything because it has 267 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: That's exactly. It's a very strong, very strong remark by 268 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: a young guy right there. I love what you just said, 269 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: because that's it right there. I mean, everybody has opinions. 270 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: You watch TV, you have opinions. But in the again, 271 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: when dinosaurs roam the earth, those opinions were founded by 272 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: people who were around it and could tell you, yes, 273 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: they don't like each other, or yes they don't like 274 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: the coach. It was. It was founded in something other 275 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,719 Speaker 1: than watching TV and having an opinion. So yeah, we 276 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: were We were boots on the ground, eyes and ears 277 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: of the fans. And I just think it's a better 278 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: place than to have the wild West of everybody watching 279 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: TV and commenting on stuff they know nothing about. Yeah, no, no, 280 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: absolutely nothing. Now I was will confess I was a 281 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: Magic fan of the eighties. I didn't like Bird, but 282 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: obviously I respected him because that was incredible. Um, you 283 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: know what's he liked to be around on on an 284 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: average day in the eighties when he's one of the 285 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: best players in the NBA and probably one of the 286 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: most recognizable faces in America. I mean it was. It 287 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: was so much fun. Though, when you know the old 288 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: l A four um. I still love when they show 289 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: the overhead shot of that football thing out there. You 290 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: can still see the forum looks like a guard shack 291 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: next to that thing. But back in the day, that was. 292 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: That was the headquarters for the showtime Lakers. And and yeah, 293 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: I remember Larry Bird going to the free throw line. 294 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 1: The Lakers were just is rounding them like one thirty 295 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: to one oh four, and Larry's at the free throw line. 296 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: Is a quiet moment when fan yelled, Larry, how do 297 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: stay so white? And it was just one of those moments. 298 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: Is kind of lit up the gym. But he was 299 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 1: Larry was not trusting of strangers. I understood that. Being 300 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: traveled with him for three or four years, he got 301 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: better and he'd open up a little bit, you know, 302 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: kind of late at night, maybe having a couple of 303 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: beers in the hotel lounge. Whatever. He noticed things. He 304 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: noticed everything. They called me Scoop. He didn't really trust me. 305 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: He'd say, Scooped, You notice how quiet it gets in 306 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: the locker room when you walk in here. I was 307 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: okay with that. I understood that, and he'd watch. We 308 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: were in Portland one time and Kenny Carr he cloned 309 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: me with a past the weather. A woman up of 310 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: the Portland end hit me right in the head, broke 311 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: my glasses, and third noticed everything he was watching from 312 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: his end warming up. He tracked. He traced me down 313 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: the bar that and he go scoop. He was pissed. 314 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: I saw that ball hit you in the head. You 315 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: were really mad at Kenny Carr. So he was just 316 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: he was noticing stuff. We saw him banking three pointers 317 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: in New York one night when he was you know, 318 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: he had won three straight three point contests and just 319 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: for laughs, he started banking him and practice for the 320 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: Nick game and the train of the Knicks. Mike Sanders said, 321 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: you're not gonna do that in the game, and I said, 322 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: if you give me five bucks, I will. So they 323 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: had a little side betton later the game of Solos 324 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: routing the Knicks and Larry Bank to three pointer ran 325 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: by the nixt bench with his greedy palm extended looking 326 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: for his five bucks from Mike Signers. That's the way 327 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: he was, oh man. And and the you know the 328 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: Portland's story where you were I don't know what you have, 329 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: like thirty points with his left hand or something crazy. 330 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: I just we don't have that access where there is 331 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: that kinship. Like Lebron will go bonkers in a game 332 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: and have a monster game, but it has nothing to 333 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: do with the media, and he's more speaking to his 334 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: fans on social media after the game then the media. 335 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: How much does that hurt the product because again, you know, 336 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: damn when you look at it, everything's filtered down. We're 337 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: not getting the real true story that you would give 338 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: us In the eighties, I mean it was funnier. I 339 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: mean after that, I can tell you that Portland game. 340 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: It was a Friday night and it was you know, 341 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: the West Coast trip when you when you're in Boston, 342 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: you do like five six seven games out there. You 343 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: go back and forth Denver and Seattle, Sacramento, the whole thing. 344 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: But I remember Portland was Friday and the Lakers were Sunday, 345 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: and that was always a big thing. The Laker game 346 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: was was was the was the big cohuna of that trip, 347 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: and so he got the I think he had forty seven, 348 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: but there was a lot of left handed action when 349 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: he would get inside and we said to him after 350 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: the game, what's up with the left hand tonight? He said, 351 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: I'm saving my right for the Lakers, and sure enough 352 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: he was. I mean, that really is incredible. Fox Sports 353 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. 354 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: Catch all of our shows at Fox Sports Radio dot 355 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: com and within the I Heart Radio app search f 356 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: s R to listen live. I'm just kind of into 357 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: awe of the access you had because right now, you know, 358 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: if Lebron shows up at a mall or Jalen Brown 359 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: or Tatum or any of those guys, you know they're 360 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: mobbed by fans. And was that really the case with 361 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: Bird in the eighties, because those social media and all 362 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: that stuff, Like it's funny. It's funny you mentioned that 363 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: because you know Larry he didn't like it now much, 364 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: didn't like strangers that much. And you know, if if 365 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: the autograph people came around, that kind of would shut 366 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: things down all together. I was with him. We stayed 367 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: at a at a Hyatt in Indianapole, US and I 368 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: remember getting ready to go out to the bus and 369 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: there was it was attached to a mall. He wanted 370 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 1: McDonald's before we went out to the bus. So we 371 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: went into McDonald's and being with Larry Bird and McDonald's Indianapolis, 372 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: it was like it was like that scene in Coming 373 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,199 Speaker 1: to America and the King of Zoomanda, and you know, 374 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: the guy selling peanuts just gets down on his knees 375 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: since that's bowing. I mean, they were just they couldn't 376 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: even speak. It was like Elvis Presley and Memphis or something. 377 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: It was crazy. So that would happen. But then other 378 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: times we were in Dallas. One time we were having 379 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: a few beers and a day off, and the Reunion 380 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: Arena then where the Mavericks played was attached to the hotel. 381 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: So we're in the atrium and Springsteen was playing next door, 382 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: and man, the doors flew open for Springsteen, and like 383 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: thousands of young people came running through our hotel to 384 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: get to the Springsteen show. And Larry looked up and said, 385 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: what's going on? They said, Bruce Springsteen is playing next 386 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: door tonight. And he said, who's that? I said, Bruce Springsteen. 387 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: He said, yeah, who's that? I said, Larry. He's the 388 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: you of Rocket Roles. Well he must be pretty good then, jeez. Uh, 389 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: you know, Larry Larry Legend. You gave him the nickname, 390 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: if memory serves right, I don't know. I think it 391 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: was just it was just alliteration there. He had that, 392 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: he had that hick from French leg Larry Legend, he 393 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: had all that stuff. Um. You know, I've kind of 394 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: banged on the eighties is being way better basketball than 395 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: the nineties, and I we you and I have got 396 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: into it about the whole Michael Jordan's thing. I am 397 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: curious though, when you look at you saw guys in 398 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: the eighties going to McDonald's, as you just said, you 399 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: saw guys smoking cigarettes, drinking alcoholic before probably the night 400 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: before games. I mean, the guys right now are in 401 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: unbelievable shape. They you know, Lebron and some of these guys, 402 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: they don't eat anything without be getting it cleared from 403 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: the nutrition. Is um. I am curious, Dan, when you 404 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: compare the eighties eighties talent and basketball players versus now, 405 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: there's really no comparison. Right. Well, here's the thing, what 406 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: you're saying about diet and you know, taking care of 407 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: I do think they were are more careful now. And 408 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: you know, like like Maxwell and always got a bag 409 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 1: at Burgers for a game at the garden. You know, 410 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: the ball boys go across the street and bring him 411 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: back a bag of burgers. And Larry didn't like Hi. 412 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 1: When I wrote about that, he said, Scoop, I eat 413 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: as bad as anybody else. He said, I hate staying 414 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: in shape. When my career is over, I'll be the 415 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: fattest bleep you ever saw. And of course he did 416 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: not hold to that because he's pretty good shape and 417 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 1: old guy now. But uh, yeah, you're right. I mean 418 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: there's more care about it. And certainly I don't know 419 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 1: how the drinking is. And it wasn't like Larry have 420 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: a lot of beer and guys would have would have beer, 421 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: and that that definitely was going on the night before games, 422 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: and I never thought it was. It was out of control. 423 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: But I think that they're more careful today. They're more 424 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: careful about everything today. But I'm gonna tell you that 425 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: team eight six Celtics, there's no way anybody can tell 426 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: me that does not translate to today's game. When you've 427 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: got five Hall of famers, a front court of giants, 428 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 1: I mean Bill Walton seven to Parishes seven ft, Kale 429 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: six ten with seven ft arms, Burgers six nine, DJ 430 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: six four physical guard. You had the outside shooters that 431 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: you need today, Scott Edmund Jerry c saying, Danny Ange, 432 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,239 Speaker 1: Larry Bird that that team and Rick Carlisle, I'll talk 433 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: to him about this because he was on that team 434 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: and he coaches in the league today, so he's current 435 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: and he's about Ben and he said, yeah, we could 436 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 1: still go. Michael said, the only thing would be would 437 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: be the whistles. He said that they let us play 438 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: by the old rules. I like our chances. If they're 439 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 1: playing by today's rules, we all file out the first quarter. Yeah, 440 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: I just wonder, you know, Bill Walton Parish, I don't 441 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: know Dan, and I'm not not being critical of them. 442 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: In their era, they were great, even a guy like 443 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: Patrick Ewing, who was one of my favorite players growing up. 444 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: I just don't know what those guys are in today's NBA. 445 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: When you look at the centers, they're all shooting threes. Um, 446 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: they're room runners, or they're just not playing much. It's 447 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 1: such a three point game. I don't know. You know, 448 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: how do you how do you think some of the 449 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: centers of the eighties would translate to today? Yeah, there's 450 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: no way. Robert Parrish, Walt Is taking three point shots. 451 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: You know, again, you're gonna have to play a different way. 452 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: You're gonna be playing a more of a low post 453 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 1: passing game. And I but why why do you need 454 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: to have five people around the perimeter and just going 455 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 1: back and forth? I mean, why not go at them 456 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 1: with the low post guy. Obviously they're different ears, But 457 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 1: to me, it's not like talking about set shooters from 458 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: the fifties who don't translate today. I agree with that, 459 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: you know, Bob Couzy, Bill Sharman, that's kind of a 460 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: tough translation for today's game. But in my view, seven 461 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: foot people who the baskets still ten feet tall. If 462 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: you've got three seven people down there, you make it, 463 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: you pound inside, you make everybody go down there and 464 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: try and file them out. I mean, I I guess 465 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 1: I hear that. It's just such a math equation now. 466 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 1: And this kind of leads into the whole social media 467 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: and team controlling everything, you know. I think really Tiger 468 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: wood Stan was the one who started it where he's like, 469 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: I don't need the media. I'm just going to create 470 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 1: my own website and talk to them that way. Are 471 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: we you know, spend this forward five ten years are 472 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 1: NBA players really do they need the media? They already don't. 473 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: And I understand that. It's just it's different. And again 474 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: I don't I don't complain about it. It's evolution. That's 475 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: just the way things evolved. Again, I'm glad to get 476 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: to do it. Even this whole thing with you know, 477 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 1: like Lebron starting the super teams and taking his taking 478 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: his talents to South Beach. That that's definitely a new thing. 479 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,959 Speaker 1: That's it's it's part of the culture of the league. Now. 480 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 1: I get that we did not have that again. Larry Bird, 481 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 1: his hatred for Bill Lambier was such that when he 482 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: was named All Star starter every year because Bird was 483 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 1: All Star, he would say, you guys, gotta tell me 484 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: when the reserves are mentioned, because I want to know 485 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: if Bill Amber's on that team again, because I hate 486 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: All Star weekend when Bill mber I gotta go to 487 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: practice and getting that bust and Bill sitting there on 488 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 1: the front road he says, good morning, Larry, and I 489 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: gotta go screw you Bill. Yeah. Yeah. But I don't 490 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,959 Speaker 1: know that we have those hated rivalries. It just doesn't. 491 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: I mean obviously that some teams don't like to play others. 492 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: But um, like the hatred is just not really there. 493 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: I mean that I don't want to say it hurts 494 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: the product, does it? I don't. I don't know. I 495 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: think you know, again, you go back to that the Bulls, Pistons, Celtics, Lakers, 496 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 1: Celtics Pistons, that you watch some of those things, they're 497 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 1: they're absolute wars. I liked it. You know, people are 498 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: on the floor of the whole game, and uh, you know, 499 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: they're in each other's face. There's a lot of contesting. 500 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,439 Speaker 1: Well we saw we saw Lebron pretty recently and that 501 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: wasn't very nice. But but I mean, we don't need 502 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: blood letting. But I think it's always nice when you 503 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: get that kind of contact and and you know, instincts 504 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: where you're not liking each other and not hugging each 505 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: other after the game. I wonder if the mag guess 506 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: the Malice of the Palace kind of shut all that down. 507 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: You just can't have the video. It just looks so 508 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: bad for the league that they want to stamp out 509 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: all the and I I kind of get great watch. 510 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: And while we got you here, I got to ask 511 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,479 Speaker 1: you about the New England Patriots and Bill Belichick. By 512 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: the way, do you have as close of a relationship 513 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: with Belichick as you do Larry Bird? Uh, we're okay. 514 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: I certainly don't don't exploit that. I feel like if 515 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: I have to have him, I can get him. But 516 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: I don't exploit that. But he's been were like the 517 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: same age, and I've seen him, you know. I mean, 518 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: we were in Baltimore together in the seventies, so I've 519 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: seen this whole thing. And I'm a big believer in 520 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: what he does in terms of what as a coach 521 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 1: or just setting everything down. And yeah, I don't worry 522 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: about the media treatment. I know what he's up to 523 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: there and I don't really engage in that too much. 524 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: He's just not gonna wait, tell us what is he 525 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: up to. Well, he's not good to the media, and 526 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,199 Speaker 1: he's only gonna do the court mandated minimum. You know, 527 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: if you ask him if today's Monday, he will say, well, 528 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: traditionally that's the day that follows Sunday. But he's not 529 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: gonna tell you it's Monday. You have to figure it out. 530 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: So that's he's just not gonna do it. And he 531 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: sees no competitive advantage in giving you one iota of 532 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: information more than he is required to do. So that's 533 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: that's the m O. I get it. It's a little 534 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: self important, serious, not necessary. Sometimes late in the week, 535 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: once the haze in the barn, he'll give up a 536 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: little more. He ask about the Army Navy game or something, 537 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: or or you know, punting schemes or long snappers, some 538 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: really inside football. He'll talk about that all day. But 539 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 1: basically he's he's given us the finger most of the time. 540 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: So I just don't engage in that. I just think 541 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 1: he's a great coach. They have a tremendous advantage going 542 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 1: in on most weeks because almost all the coaches are 543 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: afraid of him, and they went their pants just seeing him. 544 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: And you gotta you know, you gotta six eight nine 545 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: point advantage just just lining up with that very few 546 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: guys that are not afraid of him in that league. Yeah, 547 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 1: And I mean, let's be honest, did you see this 548 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: coming this first place in November? After that, you know, 549 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: spending like a drunken sailor and free agency on a 550 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,239 Speaker 1: bunch of dudes who people were like Nelson agil Are, 551 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: Hunter Henry. I'm personally shocked, but I guess we shouldn't 552 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 1: be given. He's done this for two decades right now, 553 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 1: and the rookie quarterback, you just it just doesn't happen. 554 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: I mean, and he hates rookie quarterbacks. He's made a 555 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,719 Speaker 1: living killing rookie quarterbacks for twenty years. So that was 556 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 1: done at gunpoint because he didn't have anybody and Cam, 557 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: you know that Cam was the transition year and it 558 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: wasn't pretty. And they finally hit the bullet and said, okay, 559 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: we'll go with this kid. And don't forget mac Jones, 560 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: the Saban guy. So they feel that they have some 561 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: knowledge of him coming in because Bill and Saban are 562 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: very tight, like the same guy at different levels. And uh, 563 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 1: I think he came with the approval and and so 564 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: you you start off one and three, two and four, 565 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: start getting better conferences and that strong as we know. 566 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: But they were in the game that they lost to Tampa. 567 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: They went into over time with the Cowboys. They gave 568 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,719 Speaker 1: away the opener in Miami Harris fumbled. All they had 569 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 1: to do is kick a field though, So I mean, 570 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: it's a pretty solid representation thus far. The defense looks okay. 571 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: Conference is wide open. You wouldn't want to play the 572 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: Chiefs right now. But absent that, I think I think 573 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: there as good as anybody in the conference. I gotta 574 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,959 Speaker 1: I'll wrap up on this. You you know Bill as 575 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: well as anybody. He turned seventy next April, and the 576 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: idea that he's gonna hang around here forever seems a 577 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 1: little foreign to me. But I wonder, do you think 578 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 1: there is like a cat and mouse game with him 579 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 1: and Brady. Brady's like, I'm not ready to retire. I'm 580 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: forty four. I could play. Do you think Belichick wants 581 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 1: to just outlast him get another super Bowl? What do 582 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: you what do you think? How long do you think 583 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 1: he hangs around for? I mean, it would really help 584 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: him if he won a super Bowl while Tom was 585 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: still playing, because you know, Bill got smacked down in 586 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: a big way with Tom. You know, basically people thinking 587 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: Bill ran Tom out of town. Tom goes and wins 588 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, Bills out of the playoffs, and he's 589 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 1: gotta hear you never want anything without Brady. I mean, 590 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: nobody likes that. He likes his history, his legacy and 591 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: all that stuff. So I think he is very happy 592 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,679 Speaker 1: with what's happened this year with his team and feels 593 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 1: kind of validated, vindicated, whatnot, see where it goes. But 594 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: you know, he once said he didn't want to be 595 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: like Marv Leavy coaching in his seventies. Well he's gonna 596 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: be that guy next year. The bigger thing, Jason, I 597 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 1: think is he wants to catch Shula. Uh you know, 598 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: I think he's twenty nine and thirty Shia Shula right now, 599 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: that's the all time. He's third right now. He will 600 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: get to second and then Schula is the one, and 601 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: I think he wants to get that. History means a 602 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: lot to this guy. And you're only talking about three 603 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: or four more seasons to get to that. Interesting so third, 604 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: so thirty and that's a regular season or combined it's 605 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: combined number because I think it's three forty seven, but 606 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: it's all yeah, it's all there. Yeah, so we probably 607 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: have three more. All right, good stuff. Dan Shaughnessy, congrats 608 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 1: on the book. It sounds incredible. It's called Wish It 609 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: Lasted Forever about the bygone era of the seventies and 610 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: eighties in the NBA. Basically everybody in my age back 611 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 1: of will by this as a stocking stuffer, if you will. 612 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: Thanks a lot Dan, Thank you, Jason, Take care. Fox 613 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: Sports Radio has the best sports talk line up in 614 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,479 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox sports 615 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: Radio dot com and within the I Heart Radio app 616 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: search f s R to listen live. The only thing 617 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: better than sitting on your couch watching the game. He's 618 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: making money while you do it. Here's your best beat, 619 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: great great stuff from Dan Shaughnessy. I could listen to 620 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 1: stories on eighties NBA forever. I think I've told you 621 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: guys that when I was a kid, um, I don't know, 622 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: maybe it was like fifth sixth grade. I would come 623 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: home from school and we had one of those nerve 624 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: hoops in the basement on like a door, and our 625 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: basement was finished, and I would basically play by myself 626 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: and I would keep like stats. I would be like, oh, 627 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: it's the Milwaukee Bucks versus the seventies sixers, and I 628 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: would be every player and I would, you know, after 629 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: Alvin Robinson Alvin Robertson would make a steal in a layoup, 630 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: I would go over and put down like two for 631 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: Alvin Robertson, And like I was super geeky into eighties NBA. 632 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: It was just so fun because you remember that was 633 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: a time when there weren't there was an NBA league passed, 634 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: there wasn't multiple league partners with tons of games on, 635 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: and there wasn't really, at least in my area. We 636 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: didn't get cable until I was I don't know, I 637 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: want to say, like seventh grade, eighth grade, so I 638 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: couldn't just see NBA highlights all the time. You had 639 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: to watch like the local news and they would show 640 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: like day or two day old NBA highlights, um, and 641 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: then you have to read them in the paper. And 642 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: again some of the late games, you would you would 643 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: like wake up and look for like a Lakers sonic 644 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: score and it just like wouldn't be in. It would 645 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: just be like too late for this edition. You just 646 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: wouldn't know the score. It was just like, I know, 647 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: that's an unfathomable tale to tell for the young guys 648 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: out there, But that's how into end eighties NBA I was, 649 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 1: and and that's why these stories from Shaughnessy are great. Um. Again, 650 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: never a Larry Bird fan, but definitely respected his dominance 651 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: uh in the NBA and the history of the NBA 652 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: and what him and Magic did for the sport. Basically 653 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: in the eighties, rejuvenating it, putting it on a platter 654 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: for Michael Jordan to take into the nineties. Um, but 655 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: let's quickly get to NFL Thanksgiving Thursday games and listen, 656 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: the slate is pretty brutal. You look at it and 657 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: you're like, oh my gosh, wait a minute. All six 658 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: of these teams lost on Sunday? Is that how bad 659 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: this slate is? And you know, you open up with 660 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: Chicago Detroit and I know there's like an online movement 661 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: to try to get the Lions off Thanksgiving because they 662 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: stink so bad and they're unwatchable. I'm on board with that. 663 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: Ps and it's gonna be a battle of backup quarterbacks. 664 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: It sounds like it's going to be Boil versus Dalton, 665 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: which you know, being out here in l A, I 666 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: think we're gonna have the Macy's Day Parade on TV one, 667 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: and probably Lions Bears is going to be relegated to 668 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: like TV two in the other room or like you 669 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: know how you can hit the last button and go back. 670 00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: I think that's what probably what we'll have to do 671 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: for the game. I can't have money on it because 672 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: who who knows what the hell these teams are gonna do. 673 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: They're bad, they're unwatchable. I mean, maybe you look at 674 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: the under but I got I got nothing on Bears Lions. 675 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: These are two teams going nowhere. One coaching staff is 676 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: gonna get fired and the other one has no hope 677 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: for the future. Anyway, even though Dan Campbell's in his 678 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: first year, it's just a bad football game. Maybe they'll 679 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: be late drama even Raiders Cowboys two teams coming off losses. 680 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: But I don't know. If you guys saw the Cowboys 681 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,959 Speaker 1: injury report and the wide receiver situation. Another wide receiver, 682 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: it's like their fifth or six guy came down with COVID. 683 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: But it's basically going around that room, starting with the 684 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: Mari Cooper who was unvaccinated. He's out. It sounds like 685 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: it's gonna be gallop. I don't know if Cedric Wilson's 686 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: gonna play. Uh, it sounds like ceedee lamb concussion. We don't. 687 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: His status is unknown. So we saw how bad they 688 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: looked against the Chief secondary. Now I know the Raiders 689 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: defense is nothing to write home about. Um Borrow. It 690 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: took him of three quarters, but they finally got got 691 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: loose and the way Mixing was able to run on them. 692 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: I would assume Pollard and Zeke, and by the way 693 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: Zeke is banged up, um he. I think he left 694 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: the Chiefs game for at least a series or two 695 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: might have been longer with I think it was an 696 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: ankle Pollard, who I like, and it is all my 697 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: fantasy teams. Um he can get loose against this Raiders defense. 698 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: So ultimately, you know, I definitely would not take Dallas 699 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: at seven and a half um and if anything, I 700 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 1: would look at at getting the Raiders. But this is 701 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: going to have to be one of those game time 702 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: kickoff things where you're waiting to see who's active and 703 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: who's not. Because frankly, with two days to go, it's 704 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: not out of the realm that the Cowboys lose another 705 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: receiver to COVID. So I would just be careful with 706 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: that one. And the night game is the one you 707 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: probably want to have some skin in. Is Bills at 708 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: Saints Buffalo, no joke, fighting for their playoff lives here. Saints, uh, 709 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: they they're on a losing streak right now. Trevor Simeon 710 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: has this ugly habit of playing like garbage for three 711 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: quarters and then putting big points on the board in 712 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: the fourth, So you know, if you want to get 713 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: a little exotic, Buffalo Bills first half could be something there. 714 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: Did their run game is so nonexistent? Did they really 715 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: try to make Matt Breda a thing against the Colts? 716 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: Did that really happen or did I forget that? Because 717 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: I don't know what they're doing on the ground. Their 718 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: offensive lines getting pushed around. SAT should win at the 719 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. But then again, they gave up to 720 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: forty on the ground to the Eagles. Um, is this 721 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: a tired defense? I don't know. Alatta more on Davante 722 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: Smith should be fun, but I'm sorry not Davante Smith 723 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: on on Stefan digs should be fun. But that's still 724 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: it sounds like Cole Beasley's back and um, you know 725 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: they kind of missed him in the slot. And I 726 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: do think indoors on that fast track, the Buffalo offense 727 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: could have a lot of success. I would actually if 728 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: I'm looking anywhere. I know I've been hammering the Bills 729 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: for a couple of days now, but I do think 730 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: they would be the side here. Um, I think the 731 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: Saints will continue to take money if this can get 732 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: under four. You gotta like the Bills because remember, um, 733 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: this was a preseason Super Bowl team. They haven't lost 734 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 1: any stars on the roster. They're just playing poorly and 735 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: that generally flips, as we've seen many teams, namely the Chiefs, 736 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 1: UH and others do this season. So I would look 737 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: at the if anything, the Bills and the nightcap on 738 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: the road. It's tough for me to envision them losing 739 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: again and really really getting behind the eight ball here 740 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: and the number just it's dropping. But why because the 741 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: Bills have lost a couple of games and now they're 742 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 1: facing the third string backup. Remember uh, James Winson was 743 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 1: a starter, Taysom Hill was the backup, and Trevor Simeon 744 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 1: was third. So we're down to the third string quarterback 745 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: and they're taking money. It looks like I don't know. 746 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 1: I would go Bills in the nightcap. But again, no 747 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: show tomorrow, But you have a great Thanksgiving. We'll talk 748 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: to you Friday morning on The Dan Patrick Show and 749 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: here on Straight Fire.