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Speaker 2: It's like just power through the moment.

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Speaker 1: CEO of car author of Recharge, David Code.

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Speaker 2: Good stress could lead to resilience. You're never really going

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Speaker 3: The number one health and wellness podcast.

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Speaker 1: Jay Setty, Jay Shetty sly Sheet. Hey everyone, welcome back

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Speaker 1: to on Purpose, the number one place you come to

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Speaker 1: become happier, healthier and more healed. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for tuning in today. Today, I'm so excited because I

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Speaker 1: talking about David co the CEO of Calm, the leading

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Speaker 1: app for meditation and mindfulness, and a new author of

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Speaker 1: his book Recharge that offers tips for the best mental

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Speaker 1: wellness practices in today's digital world. The book has interviews

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Speaker 1: with rappers, rebels, and innovators as he travels, talking about stress, burnout,

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Speaker 1: and feeling drained. If any of you are feeling stressed

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Speaker 1: right now, this episode's for you. If you're feeling drained

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Speaker 1: Please welcome to On Purpose, the CEO of Calm, David Co. David,

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Speaker 1: it's great to have you here. Thank you Jay for

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Speaker 1: having me here today. I'm so excited. I'm so excited

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Speaker 1: And I've been fortunate enough to have you interview me

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Speaker 2: And you know it's funny, you and me are the

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Speaker 2: same on batteries. I keep my battery pretty charged as well.

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Speaker 2: at work. Stress doesn't just mean it's at home. It

436
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:15,919
Speaker 2: was like people were like during the elections, coming in

437
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 2: from work, and so we wanted to give them a

438
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,200
Speaker 2: little bit so they had to release so they could

439
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 2: be more productive. So there's a lot of things around

440
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,920
Speaker 2: stuff that I look at for good stress and bad

441
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,879
Speaker 2: stress and recognize there's always going to be.

442
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 3: A push pull.

443
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 2: But that's the part where you can't do it alone.

444
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 2: You got to have a good team. You got to

445
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,120
Speaker 2: talk about it. You do this so well and make

446
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,479
Speaker 2: sure that becomes part of your fabric, your culture, your DNA.

447
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:44,880
Speaker 2: And I think it's shifting, but it's slow. I think

448
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 2: the conversation around mental health in everyday life. It's the

449
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 2: most approachable it's ever been. Right, I talk about things

450
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 2: with my own kids today around mental health. When I

451
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 2: was a child, coming, you know, i'd be curious, like

452
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,199
Speaker 2: for you, like immigrant family, we didn't talk about our

453
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,159
Speaker 2: mental health in my household, right. We talked more about

454
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 2: powering through things. And I can talk about that later,

455
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,160
Speaker 2: but we didn't really talk about it. My kids talk

456
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,959
Speaker 2: about it. They may overuse it at times, not use

457
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 2: it the right way. It's okay. They're having the conversation,

458
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,399
Speaker 2: their friends are having the conversation. I think that's great.

459
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 2: But when you go to the workplace, it kind of stops,

460
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 2: you know. And I go to so many places and

461
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, do you talk about your mental health at work?

462
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 2: And they're like no, And I'm like, well, let's change

463
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,239
Speaker 2: that dialogue. Let's make it as approachable as it is

464
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 2: in everyday life. And how do we start to do that.

465
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,640
Speaker 2: Let's give you the tools and we'll start at the top.

466
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're so right, You're sor right.

467
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 1: What you're painting a picture of For me is that

468
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 1: I look at the good stress being when we all

469
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 1: know what challenge we're up against, we know what the

470
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 1: goal is and everyone feels supported. And I think what

471
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 1: often happens is people don't know what the goal is

472
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 1: because you're not helping them do that. They only see

473
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 1: the challenge and they don't feel support to us. Right,

474
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 1: So now they don't know where they're going and they

475
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 1: feel if they fall flat on their face, they have

476
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: nothing to catch them. As a leader, the goal is

477
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 1: to provide the goal and the support and then the

478
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: person can focus on the challenge.

479
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and be transparent in that journey. You know, I

480
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 2: speak to many CEOs in the valley and over the world,

481
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 2: and you know, a lot of times I'll ask them,

482
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 2: how do you prioritize things with your employees? How transparent

483
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 2: are you? And I'll tell you many of them are

484
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 2: not that transparent. Or they'll be like, these are the

485
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 2: most important things, and then they'll add five more and

486
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 2: then five more right, and I'll be like, oh, okay,

487
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 2: what did you take away and they're like, what are

488
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 2: you talking about? I mean, what did you take away?

489
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 2: And they're like nothing. And I'm like, well, how do

490
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 2: you think that's affecting your employees? And they're like, I

491
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 2: never really thought about that. So I've just compounded and

492
00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:02,239
Speaker 2: stacked the problem as a leader, and you didn't take

493
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 2: anything away, and it cascades down like a megaphone. Think

494
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 2: about what that employee is going through and walk in

495
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 2: their shoes for a minute. You know, we at the

496
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 2: top have the luxury of having more control over our schedules,

497
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 2: but that person may not have as much control over

498
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 2: those schedule. They're just ticking through things. And if you

499
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 2: just keep adding and not taking certain things away and

500
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 2: saying this is important, this isn't important. Here's how I

501
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 2: think about it, Here's how I'm being transparent, you're adding

502
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 2: more stress to your company.

503
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 3: Absolutely, could you walk me through at Calm? I love this.

504
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: When I first got introduced to Calm and started taking

505
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: calls with the teams and I took my role of

506
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,880
Speaker 1: chief Purpose Officer, I got integrated into the culture. I

507
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,959
Speaker 1: loved the little things and the focus on the little

508
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: things at meetings at Calm, whether they're on zoom in person,

509
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: I want to hear about these smaller things that are

510
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,360
Speaker 1: happening on a daily basis, because I think often companies

511
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: think they need to put out a thing that says

512
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: we're focusing on company mental health, and they're doing these

513
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: big things, but Calm internally let alone the work they

514
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: do with other companies and workplaces. But Calm internally had

515
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: some really nice cultural things that I noticed from the

516
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 1: outside in as I was being integrated. Walk us through

517
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 1: some of those daily things that you think create the

518
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 1: rituals and practices that help people.

519
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,719
Speaker 2: It was interesting for me my first day ACCOM. I

520
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 2: walk in and they're Michael and Alex who you know well,

521
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 2: the founders. I love them and they love you and

522
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 2: they talk about you all the time and how you

523
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:42,360
Speaker 2: all first met. And they introduced me to the company

524
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 2: warm welcome, so inviting, and they started to meet the

525
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 2: whole all hands off with a meditation, and I wasn't

526
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 2: really used to that, and I was kind of sitting

527
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 2: there and I kind of noticed everyone. And normally we

528
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 2: listen to someone like your we'll turn you on, or'll

529
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 2: turn one of our other kind of narrators on. They

530
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 2: do great, and everyone just kind of sat there in

531
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 2: the moment and whether it was sometimes it's you know,

532
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 2: really quick, thirty seconds, sometimes it's five, six minutes, three minutes,

533
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 2: and they listened and it was and I kind of

534
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 2: was peaking at times, looking I'm like, is everyone kind

535
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 2: of closing their eyes you know around here, you know,

536
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,719
Speaker 2: looking there, and they were just in the moment. It

537
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 2: was a moment for me that showed me how much

538
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 2: they cared. And I was like, Wow, this company cares.

539
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 2: This isn't forced. You don't have to be here, you

540
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 2: don't have to do this. And they were there and

541
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 2: they were present and they were in the moment. So

542
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 2: that's like some of this. That was one of the

543
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 2: ways I knew this company was going to be different.

544
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 2: And then I watched as the company did things around

545
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 2: gratitude where we end every all hands with gratitude. We

546
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 2: read things that have come into us and it's a

547
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 2: reminder of the impact we're having. And I think that's

548
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 2: why sometimes I'm so stressed, because is that I feel

549
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 2: this weight of responsibility where every second of every day,

550
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 2: someone is using the product and I just feel like

551
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 2: if we're not answering them, we're not helping them in

552
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 2: the moment, someone's not getting something that they need. And

553
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 2: I feel that stress and I feel the response. It's

554
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 2: really responsibility. Yeah, And I talk about that with the employees,

555
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 2: and I think it's really important to talk about that.

556
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 2: So we do the gratitude piece at the end. We

557
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 2: have zoom free days, you know, where I talk to

558
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 2: employees about, Hey, if you're in a moment where you

559
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 2: find yourself in five zooms, take a beat. You don't

560
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 2: need to do that. And if there's meetings that don't

561
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 2: make sense, just like you did tonight, which was great,

562
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 2: just say no, it's okay. You know, we'll figure it out.

563
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 2: And I do that too, and I try to be

564
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 2: a lot more purposeful now because it helps me then

565
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 2: be more present in the meetings that I need to

566
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 2: be in. Yeah, right, And rather than saying, it's not

567
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 2: the quantity of meetings that I'm in, it's those quality

568
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 2: of meeting moments that I'm in. And I think people

569
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 2: sometimes like misinterpret like quantity for productivity versus like value.

570
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 2: And I'm much more like, Okay, I'm going to do

571
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 2: I'm going to focus on quality and it may mean

572
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: less and that doesn't have to sacrifice my impact.

573
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you, how does it impact productivity?

574
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: And I do think that we've convinced ourselves that if

575
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: I'm doing more, if there's more on my schedule, if

576
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: I'm jumping around, We've created our definition of value to

577
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: be around busyness, right, and we all feel we're more important, valuable,

578
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: And it's subconscious again, you just think, oh, yeah, if

579
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: I've got a lot to do, then I must be

580
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: doing something. Yea.

581
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 3: How do we start to.

582
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,959
Speaker 1: Shift that conversation? What have you learned about that? I

583
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: know you interviewed some amazing people as well as you

584
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: were saying inside the book, what did you learn about

585
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: how we can reframe what we believe makes us value? Yeah?

586
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I had so two people in particular, so

587
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: John Scully, for example, the former CEO of Apple. He

588
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: talked about how in the book he was chief Listening

589
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 2: Officer and I was like really, and he's like yeah,

590
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: Like Steve asked that we make our own business cards,

591
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 2: and I wrote chief Listening Officer. And I sat there

592
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: and I was like, wow, that's that was great. You

593
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 2: listen and so because so often, you know, you just

594
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 2: start talking and he's like, no, I became a lot

595
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: more purposeful if I just listened. First said probably less,

596
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 2: but that impact was greater because I heard what was happening,

597
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 2: and I thought that was great.

598
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

599
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 2: I had Jack Rowe, who's a former CEO Vetna in

600
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 2: the book, he came over and he said, sometimes you

601
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: have to put yourself into neutral. And he's like, and

602
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: you have to give yourself space because you can't run

603
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 2: it one hundred miles an hour. And if you don't

604
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 2: give yourself a little bit of a break, no matter

605
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 2: what position you're in, you're going to find yourself upside

606
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: down and you're not going to figure out how to

607
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: turn back up. And I appreciated those conversations with them

608
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 2: because they're a little bit more old school and their approach.

609
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,239
Speaker 2: They think we're a little bit more in the middle now,

610
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: and then there's a younger generation right that's coming up

611
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: with thinks about things completely different. It's been such a

612
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: privilege to be able to kind of talk to so

613
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 2: many different people who are in that continuum to kind

614
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 2: of hear how they're managing it right, even like how

615
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 2: you think about things and how you manage all that right.

616
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 2: It just must be a lot coming at you today

617
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 2: from many different angles when they're like, hey, what do

618
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 2: you do right?

619
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 3: Yeah?

620
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think for me it is the old cliche,

621
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: but it's so true, like you are only as good

622
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: as your team. And I do think being a leader

623
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: means taking care of your team. In one sense, I

624
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: feel like that's all a leader actually has to do

625
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: is be the coach, therapist, support system, or provide and

626
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: bring those things in for the team, and you almost

627
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: become a coach. And yes you'll be strategic, yes you're

628
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: being a visionary, but a lot of it is just

629
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: loving people and supporting people. I find, at least I

630
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: find like that's what most of my time is taken

631
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: up one hundred p suing because everyone has their emotions

632
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: and as long as you have smart people that you're

633
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: working with, then those people are the people that investing

634
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,719
Speaker 1: in them as humans is allowing them to do what

635
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: you trust them to do. But the thing that's holding

636
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: them back is usually something emotional or mental. It's rarely

637
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: professional that people have challenges, and I find it's something

638
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: they're going through in their personal life. It's a mental

639
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: block that they have and if that doesn't get healed

640
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: and access in the workplace, that's going to be the

641
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: spanner in the works, Like that's going to be the

642
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: thing that bottlenecks the process. Creates inefficiency, creates a lack

643
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: of trust. That's the kind of stuff that gets in.

644
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 2: The way and a lot of times too, when you

645
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 2: talk to people, they have no idea what's happening outside

646
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 2: the workplace, you know, but so much that happens outside

647
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: the workplace affects the workplace. It's really important for companies

648
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 2: too to have mental health support tools for employees so

649
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 2: when they need things, people to talk to, you know,

650
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 2: applications whether they're calm or others, therapy if they need it,

651
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: if they just make those available and known, that's another

652
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,239
Speaker 2: step in the process. So that's why I always tell

653
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: people it's not just one thing. It's kind of like

654
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 2: a number of things you have to put together because

655
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 2: people may take bits and pieces of each to make

656
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 2: it their own, but it kind of shows them when

657
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 2: they need it, it's there. And a lot of times

658
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 2: people will go look for things on their own, you know,

659
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: they'll search and they'll see if you've got tools and

660
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 2: what companies and I do find that you sometimes will

661
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: lose good people because you're not supporting them in their journey.

662
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: And so the more you could be there for them

663
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 2: and they know that, they become some of your most loyal,

664
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 2: most productive culture bearing, you know, carrying the flag employees.

665
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 2: And you didn't have to tell them to do it.

666
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: They just kind of did it on their own. And

667
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 2: I feel like those often are the best ones and

668
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: I and we have a lot of those, and I

669
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 2: just feel very privileged that we have so many folks

670
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 2: like that that that they just care deeply and it's

671
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 2: personal for them. My previous company I had started was

672
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: a caregiving company, and one thing I had noticed in

673
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 2: that company was that so many people that were caring

674
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 2: for others were suffering right they and then they had

675
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 2: to go to work, and people had no idea that

676
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: they were doing like five jobs caregiver. They were worrying

677
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 2: about their finances, they were trying to figure out how

678
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 2: they help people, and then they had to go to

679
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: work and they had a litany of things they had

680
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 2: to go do. And most people have no idea how

681
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 2: these things are going on, and they're people's lives, right

682
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: because sometimes we just don't ask the question, and because

683
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: we're so busy ourselves, where sometimes we don't want to

684
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 2: ask the question because we're so busy ourselves we can't

685
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 2: take anything else on. But I just feel that if

686
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 2: we are just more aware and we create space for

687
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: employees and we listen to what they have to say,

688
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 2: flexible work schedules. What are they asking for? That's why

689
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 2: I constantly pull our employees as well, what do you value?

690
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 2: And they'll tell us and then if we have stuff

691
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: that they don't want, put it away. I sometimes like, oh,

692
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 2: all my employees want this gym membership and then nobody

693
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: uses it and they're like yeah, and I'm like, now

694
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 2: I just ask let's have our team go out and

695
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 2: say here are the top ten things. What do you want? Yeah,

696
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: and then we'll take away a couple of things that

697
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 2: they don't use, you know, and we'll try to ask

698
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 2: that almost every year.

699
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: Totally. I couldn't agree more. I love gift giving. It's

700
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 1: one of my love languages. And you are so kind

701
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: to bring me a gift today which is very thoughtful

702
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 1: and very useful.

703
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 3: And both of which I will use.

704
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: And the reason I'm saying that is I love giving

705
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: gifts too, And so you know, over the years, when

706
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: it comes around the holidays, I love getting gifts for

707
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: my team, and for a long term, I'd always be guessing,

708
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: like what everyone wanted, and you assume that something's cool

709
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: or trending or whatever it may be, and then you

710
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: start to realize what you just said. People didn't really

711
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: want that, and then at one point we're like, okay,

712
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: well then we won't give gifts. We'll just you know,

713
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: thank people and whatever else it was. But then we're like, no,

714
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: but people like people like it, everyone enjoys it. And

715
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: so it's so funny. We've started polling over the last

716
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: few years, like what kind of gift would everyone like?

717
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: And the number one answer this year was infrared.

718
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 3: Mask, Like, so what you call the red light? Yeah,

719
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 3: so that was the number one requests.

720
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: We're like, oh, easy, now we know what everyone wants,

721
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 1: so we're going to get that because it's easier rather

722
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: than us guessing. And I agreed that. I do think

723
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: people inside of organizations today want mental health tools. They

724
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: want meditation practices, they want mindfulness opportunities and tools and

725
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: apps and everything else. I believe there is a big

726
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: demand for that, and I think it's only growing because

727
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: people are feeling that if you don't have that, you

728
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 1: can't have that conversation in the workplace.

729
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: That's right.

730
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: I think this is the part that I want companies

731
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: and leaders to understand. If you're not providing tools to

732
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: support people with their mental health they don't have a

733
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: vehicle to talk about it at work. If it's available

734
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: to everyone and they see it come out in the

735
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,439
Speaker 1: newsletter and the team's available and everyone knows about it,

736
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 1: they can say, oh, yeah, did you see we're using

737
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: calm now, and you know I've been doing this one

738
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: and which one of you been doing it now? It

739
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: allows for connection and conversation and community as opposed to

740
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: be Without it, someone may just never talk about the

741
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: fact that they've been struggling to sleep for seven days.

742
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 2: And I find that too amongst the younger generation. They

743
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: just expect these things, yeah, you know, and they're asking

744
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 2: for them, and they'll give up other things along the

745
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: way and so and they're very vocal around it. And

746
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 2: we've seen it now in all industries, you know, we've

747
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 2: seen it happen in banking where people feel like, hey,

748
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 2: you're not listening, and it takes a moment where they

749
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: have to go to the press. Almost right, it shouldn't

750
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 2: have to ever get there. Yeah, if they were listening

751
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,919
Speaker 2: to those kids and listening to your employees, then you've

752
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 2: got a continuous feedback loop. More companies, the baseline will

753
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 2: be you have to have these services going forward, and

754
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,919
Speaker 2: I think over time, then that will open up a dialogue.

755
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 2: And I also think with CEOs today, I'll tell you,

756
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 2: because it starts so much at the top, if you

757
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,479
Speaker 2: start to have some of these conversations and say here's

758
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 2: how I think about it, here's how you're being vulnerable,

759
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 2: that too, opens up a different conversation, and then that

760
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 2: can just kind of percolate within the company, and then

761
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 2: I think the whole thing starts to move faster, right,

762
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 2: and then we can start to get more into a

763
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 2: conversation of like, Okay, now, how do we get you

764
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 2: the right care at the right time when you need

765
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: it however you need it, Because so much of the

766
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 2: conversation we're having right now is pretty basic in my mind,

767
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 2: and we just need to get farther along in the conversation.

768
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think a lot of people will question listening

769
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: to us, going, well, how does mindfulness or meditation actually

770
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: help burn out or how does it help stress? So

771
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: that's one thing, and I mean there's tons of science

772
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: on that, but I think there's still so I want

773
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: you to answer that. And the second thing is, well,

774
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: how does this affect my productivity?

775
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 3: Right?

776
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: Like, how does it actually get people to do the

777
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,439
Speaker 1: work that I need them to do. Sure, And isn't

778
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: this just a distraction or slows them down? Because I

779
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: know a lot of organizations just feel like this sounds

780
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: good in theory, but how does it help. So if

781
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: we can talk about how mindfulness and meditation specifically the

782
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 1: programs that exist on comm how do they make sense

783
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: for stress and burnout, then how do they make strens

784
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: for productivity and performance?

785
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think I had both of those.

786
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 2: I'll start with the second one first because it comes

787
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 2: up a lot. And what I often tell people is

788
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 2: when I'll just use Colm as an example, more than

789
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 2: half the people that use Calm today come to us

790
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 2: for sleep and they're having moments where they just can't

791
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: fall asleep. Most of that comes, as we know, because

792
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 2: they're sleeping next to their devices. The devices are constantly beeping.

793
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 2: They don't shut them off. I talk about like it's hard,

794
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 2: but you know, I keep my phone outside my bedroom.

795
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 2: Not everyone does that. When I travel, I don't do that,

796
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 2: and sometimes it leads to, you know, not a good sleep.

797
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 2: And we know when you have a number of those

798
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 2: days that start to compound, it could lead to irritability.

799
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 2: It could lead to not being as productive the next

800
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 2: day when you go to work because you're just tired. Right.

801
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: You couple that at times with potentially bad eating habits

802
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: or some people drinking habits or other types of habits

803
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: that aren't and that doesn't create and it creates kind

804
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 2: of like what I call negative behavior. I had that

805
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 2: when I was younger because I didn't understand some of

806
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 2: these tools. And I just wish I had some of

807
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 2: these tools when I was younger, because I didn't do

808
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 2: those things that created positive behavior change. When I was

809
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 2: in banking, for example, and when I got stressed, I

810
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 2: turned to smoking and I was just a kid, and

811
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 2: I was like smoking in the stairwell of Solomon Brothers.

812
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have been smoking in the stairwell. That's number one.

813
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 2: I talked about this with our employees, saying, hey, I

814
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 2: didn't have apps like calm or tools to help me

815
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 2: in the moment I wish I did. I probably would

816
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 2: have turned to other things and understood that's positive behavior

817
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 2: that I could turn to, not negative behavior. And if

818
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 2: I have enough of that, then it starts to kind

819
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 2: of change the pendulum. Because I then ended up on

820
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 2: a very slippery slope. You know, you're smoking, you start

821
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,720
Speaker 2: to drink a little bit more that I'm eating more

822
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: at odd hours, and then I try to go to sleep,

823
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 2: and you just know, if you're trying to eat Chinese

824
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 2: food at eleven thirty and you want to go to

825
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 2: bed at twelve or twelve thirty, you're not going to

826
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 2: sleep well because there's just a lot of stuff just

827
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 2: sitting there right keeping you awake. And so for me,

828
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 2: it's been this continuous kind of learning, and we talk

829
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 2: about some of these things, and you know, I think

830
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: in the workforce it's a little it's no different because

831
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 2: people got to shut all the kids off to school

832
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 2: in the morning, and you've got to make breakfast, You've

833
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 2: got to do all these things. So you kind of

834
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 2: need good sleep at night. And it starts I think

835
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,720
Speaker 2: a lot there, and then during the day we need breaks.

836
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 2: People think and it's in the book that you that

837
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 2: our brain has endless capacity. It's just not true. We

838
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 2: don't have endless capacity. You know, our brain, like everything else,

839
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 2: needs to recharge, and if you can find ways to recharge,

840
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 2: whether it's listening to you every day. Congratulations on over

841
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: six hundred episodes, we were talking about fifty million streams

842
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,280
Speaker 2: as a chief Purpose officer, which I am so grateful

843
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: for because there are times where those seven minutes for

844
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 2: me where I listen to you, whether it's in the

845
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 2: car driving my kids to school takes ten minutes, some

846
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 2: days it takes thirty with traffic. There are moments that

847
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: I just cherish, or when I'm driving back alone, and

848
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 2: it just helps me. Then as I start to recenter

849
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,919
Speaker 2: myself to be more productive during the day or during

850
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 2: the day, I take a short break and I know

851
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 2: how to recharge now, whether it's going outside, walking or others,

852
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 2: and it makes me so much more productive because what

853
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 2: I find is if I work in a manner and

854
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 2: I find myself falling below fifty twenty five percent of

855
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 2: my battery and I just keep trying to power through

856
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 2: my work gets it's not very good. It's embarrassingly bad,

857
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 2: I would say at times. And no amount of AI

858
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 2: is going to make it better. You know, it's just

859
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: not And so I then have to kind of take

860
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 2: a step back and be like, Okay, you're trending in

861
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 2: the wrong direction. Take a big and I talk about

862
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 2: this at a company and with many other companies that

863
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 2: are out there today, and I know so many employees

864
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 2: I talk to resonate around this. Yeah, right, because I

865
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 2: just feel it's an endless hamster wheel for sure, right.

866
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah, I was as you were speaking, I was

867
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: thinking about how if you have a still mind, you

868
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: actually make quicker, better decisions, and if you have a

869
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: stressed mind, you actually make slower, worse decisions. And we think, oh, well,

870
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: if I take time out to be still, I'll lose time,

871
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: But actually, if you take time out to be still,

872
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: you'll gain time because you'll make better decisions, There'll be

873
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: more long term they won't be rushed and haphazard, and

874
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: they'll actually be you'll be a better communicator. I know

875
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: for a fact that if I'm stressed, I don't communicate

876
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: as clearly I can.

877
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 3: I can be a.

878
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: Bit more like rushed and you know, kind of like

879
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: let's hurry this up and with people, right, Whereas if

880
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: I'm rested and i'm still, then actually I'm able to

881
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: formulate ideas. I can be more tolerant, i can be

882
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: more patient, which are all the skills you need. And

883
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: so taking out seven minutes a day doesn't make you slower.

884
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: It actually makes you faster and better and something I

885
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: pulled from your book. These stats were really fascinating for

886
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: me to read. So sixty one percent of people feel

887
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: expected to just get over stressed. Yeah, that's unbelievable that

888
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: sixty one percent of people feel like they'd expected to

889
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: just get over stressed.

890
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, why is that?

891
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 2: When I was younger? And I didn't understand this when

892
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 2: I was fourteen years old, and I think it was

893
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 2: much younger. I wrote about in the book that it

894
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: was fourteen. I actually think it happened when I was younger.

895
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 2: I just didn't. I just don't recollect those times when

896
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 2: I got really stressed or nervous, and most of the

897
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 2: time they're around like tests or speaking stuff front class.

898
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 2: I just started to get a tightness in my chest.

899
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: I would I would get shortness of breath at times,

900
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 2: I would sweat in my hands, and I didn't really

901
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 2: understand what was happening. And I talked to my mom,

902
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 2: you know, and like a very traditional Creed mother, she'd

903
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: be like, just power through it, and I'm like, oh,

904
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna power through it, right, But she didn't

905
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: know either what was happening. And I don't blame her

906
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 2: around that she's just didn't understand in the moment.

907
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: You know.

908
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 2: The reality is when you think about your mental health,

909
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 2: it's not about to do you know, And it's not

910
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 2: about powering through the moment. It's for me, it's about

911
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 2: powering up, you know. And it's and that's where the

912
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 2: battery analogy keeps coming back in. Yeah, and I didn't

913
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 2: understand some of that, and then you cup and then

914
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 2: I don't have the vocabulary. It wasn't really until I

915
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 2: started getting into healthcare that I started to understand, Oh wow,

916
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 2: this is what you were going through. You've been able

917
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 2: to kind of manage it and through some unhealthy behaviors

918
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 2: at times, and now you are doing through healthy behaviors.

919
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 2: But the vocabulary has changed, right, and you have a

920
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 2: better command of that vocabulary, so you know how to

921
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 2: talk about it now, where I didn't know how to

922
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 2: talk about it then. And so I do think so

923
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 2: much of the population today is about powering through it.

924
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 2: And I do think a lot of the population, and

925
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,240
Speaker 2: I would say more in countries like Korea or Asia,

926
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 2: even though mental health is the most approachable it's ever been,

927
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 2: Like in the States, it's not really approachable there you know,

928
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 2: and that does make me sad at times. When I

929
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 2: go back home my parents move back to Korea, they

930
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 2: live there, I want to talk about these things with them,

931
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 2: and it's not easy for them to talk about right.

932
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 2: I don't know how it was for you. And did

933
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 2: you talk about this when you were kid with you.

934
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 1: It's so interesting what you were saying about your experiences

935
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: of stress growing up. Mine was the same and they

936
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: didn't know what it was either, So I would it's

937
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:55,240
Speaker 1: the same things, exams, anything high performance related. I'd feel

938
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: like my chest got tied to my heart, felt like

939
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: it wasn't being the same. I'd get, you know, sweaty palms,

940
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: and I remember going to the doctors and they'd wire

941
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: me up with these monitors, like old school monitors, with

942
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: all these big things. I'd have to wear it for

943
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 1: twenty four hours and i'd go back and they'd be like, oh,

944
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: he's fine, and I'd be like, but Mom, I'm not fine,

945
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: Like there's something I'm feeling and there was no word

946
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: for it, and so I can very much relate. And

947
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: again my mom didn't know what it was. He then

948
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: she was trying her best to help, but we couldn't

949
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 1: figure it out, and so I got on with it

950
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: and I always have, and then I was thankful enough

951
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 1: to learn mindfulness of meditation. Many years later, that have

952
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: been my core practices. And now it's not that I

953
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: don't get nervous before I'm going on stage or a podcast.

954
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: I still do, but I know what to do and

955
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: I have my breath work. Yeah, I know what I

956
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: have to lock into. It's not that I don't experience

957
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: those emotions anymore, but I agree. Even in a South

958
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: Asian family like I don't think that vulnerability was normal

959
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: from parents. It wasn't common for uncles and aunts to

960
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 1: be that way, and so it created a culture of

961
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: always putting your best foot forward, always somewhat being performative, right,

962
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: And I think I never subscribed to that. So I

963
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: started very early on rebelling and just good for you

964
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: being myself and I wish I had done that, Yeah,

965
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: I was just. I'm just I started breaking the rules

966
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: earlier on that, and I'm grateful that I did. But

967
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: now I realize it wasn't that I was breaking the rules.

968
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: I was just expressing my discomfort with having to put

969
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: up a face or a mask on when everything wasn't okay,

970
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: And I think that's hard for people to do today

971
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 1: where I read another stat that said thirty three percent

972
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: of people feel too overwhelmed by daily stress to think ahead.

973
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: Like when you think about that, it's like, gosh, like

974
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: you know that's what people are under.

975
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 3: What is someone that you forget that?

976
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 2: Right?

977
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 3: You forget that?

978
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 2: Just forget it. I mean you think about those numbers,

979
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:01,479
Speaker 2: that's whether it's two thirds or one third of all

980
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 2: people feeling this way, and you start to realize, well,

981
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 2: that's heavy, you know. And if you were in a

982
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 2: room in three out of ten or six out of ten,

983
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 2: or feeling a certain way, you start to realize there's more.

984
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 2: That's just why with corporations, I think it's so important

985
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 2: that they can take leadership positions. Again, I always go

986
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,720
Speaker 2: back to the top on some of these things, because

987
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 2: if we're not comfortable being vulnerable, and if we're not

988
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 2: comfortable making sure there are HR teams have the tools

989
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 2: to talk about this with employees that we don't support

990
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 2: some of these initiatives. We're kind of in a place

991
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 2: where we're saying, oh, we don't believe some of those stats,

992
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 2: but the stats are there and growing right, and yes,

993
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 2: there's you know, there's life things that are happening, but

994
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 2: technology is moving so fast on the other side, right,

995
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 2: I mean, we are definitely in an era right now

996
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 2: where kids have grown up with their smartphones. They act

997
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 2: differently then you know when I grew up or when

998
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 2: you grow up. It's just different. We end they grew

999
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 2: up with this technology, they're very comfortable with it. The

1000
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 2: speed of it, which is is coming so and then

1001
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 2: there's the weight of what's happening just in life around them.

1002
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 2: And so some of these things even at the company level,

1003
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 2: which are interesting and you don't do this is like

1004
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 2: and I found this a little bit with myself. I'll

1005
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 2: just tell you on a personal front, we're taught to

1006
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 2: play it very safe, and I think that's an important

1007
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 2: thing too. I'll tell you a lot of people miss

1008
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 2: is that you know, you don't want to say the

1009
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 2: wrong thing, So you're not going to talk about your

1010
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 2: own vulnerability because that's not playing it down the fairway.

1011
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 2: You kind of want to be boring, I'll be frank

1012
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 2: with you. For a lot of leaders, not all leaders,

1013
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 2: which we know there's a couple of them that are

1014
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 2: quite but for most leaders, when you go out there.

1015
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 2: They're media trained to be right down the fairway. And

1016
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 2: what I love when I listen and watch your podcast,

1017
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: it's so authentic, it's so real, it's so safe for

1018
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 2: all the people that listen and then and it just

1019
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,879
Speaker 2: shows right with how many people are tuning in every

1020
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 2: day right and listening to you and doing what I did.

1021
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 2: It's like I'll listen to somebody and then I'll go

1022
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 2: back to that. I'll be like, oh, I remembered that.

1023
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 2: I'm going to go back to that. And it's just

1024
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 2: because we just play it safe in a lot of

1025
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 2: places today and you don't want to say the wrong thing. Yeah,

1026
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 2: and I think it's okay, you know, like even if

1027
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 2: I was here with you today and maybe something and

1028
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 2: I didn't say the right thing today, I'm in a

1029
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 2: space where I feel so safe with you right now.

1030
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 2: I just want to be myself and not everything's going

1031
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 2: to be perfect, absolutely right, And that's kind of part

1032
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 2: of life. And I've started to accept that, and I've

1033
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 2: become much more vulnerable with my own employees to be like, hey,

1034
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 2: this is okay. And because of that, in the last

1035
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,280
Speaker 2: couple of years, we're stronger, we're stronger as a company.

1036
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,280
Speaker 2: We just had a board meeting and they're like, wow,

1037
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 2: this is great. Everyone's like, yes, we're doing much better.

1038
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 2: But I think because we're developing and really building on

1039
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 2: the right culture, we're asking the right questions and we

1040
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 2: want to lead by example.

1041
00:51:59,040 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1042
00:51:59,440 --> 00:51:59,720
Speaker 2: Right.

1043
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: What was something you shared with them that you feel

1044
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: was challenging, uncomfortable that that led to that breakthrough.

1045
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,919
Speaker 2: Yeah. I in the last one that you were at,

1046
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 2: I did talk about my smoking as a kid. I

1047
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 2: talked about me being overweight as a child, dealing with

1048
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 2: that that insecurity. I've always had a struggle with food.

1049
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 2: I love French fries. I'm just gonna yeah, I guess

1050
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 2: I'm telling all I love ice cream, and I think

1051
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 2: sometimes and I have a really no matter what I

1052
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 2: try to do diet wise, if you put some fries

1053
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 2: in front of me, I'm gonna eat them. If you

1054
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 2: put some ice cream in front of me and someone

1055
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 2: my kids are having, I'm gonna eat some of that too.

1056
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 2: And my kids are like, Dad, I thought you were

1057
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 2: like full. I was like, I was all right. So

1058
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:54,919
Speaker 2: I struggle with that. I know when I'm a little

1059
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 2: bit stressed, I'm a little bit of a binge eater

1060
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 2: as well. I try to obviously develop a lot of

1061
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 2: healthy habits also around how do you be healthier? And

1062
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 2: so I do. I do exercise a lot more. But

1063
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 2: some of those things are hard just to get rid of,

1064
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 2: you know. It's more like you're going to have to

1065
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 2: live with it, and it's how you live with it.

1066
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 2: That's like that comment about stress. You're never going to

1067
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 2: have a stress free workplace. Yeah, but you've got to

1068
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 2: figure out how you just have more healthy stress, right,

1069
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 2: how you stress rather than distress.

1070
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1071
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: What's the most common thing you hear from leaders that

1072
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: they're struggling within their organizations when it comes to stress

1073
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: and team's mental health.

1074
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 2: I think a lot of leaders today struggle with As

1075
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 2: I spoke to you about vulnerability and how you gave

1076
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 2: the story about vulnerability, that story plays over over and

1077
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 2: over again. Well, you know, leaders struggle with how to

1078
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 2: be vulnerable. And I think it's I think it's generational

1079
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 2: on a personal I think the new leaders that are

1080
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 2: going to arise, the ones in their twenties, are going

1081
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 2: to have no problem all right, because when you look

1082
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 2: at social media today and a lot of the younger generation,

1083
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 2: they talk about their mental stress, and they talk about

1084
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 2: their mental health and they're very open about it. Now again,

1085
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 2: they may overuse it or you know, but at least

1086
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 2: they're having a conversation around it. I think, you know,

1087
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:18,240
Speaker 2: with other leaders today, when I talk to them, they're

1088
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 2: just like, hey, is it a sign of weakness like

1089
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 2: you brought up? Is it going to be used against me?

1090
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1091
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 2: Is someone going to write about it and say I'm

1092
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 2: too weak? Is the board going to think I'm weak

1093
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 2: as a leader? And I think that is the that's

1094
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 2: ultimately also a fail of corporate stewardship because they have

1095
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 2: to also look after your mental health, you know. And

1096
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 2: so when i'm you know, I'm fortunate to be on

1097
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 2: the board to come today, but if I wasn't CEO,

1098
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 2: I would be asking that CEO, hey, how are you doing?

1099
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 2: How are you holding up? Let's not talk about the

1100
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,399
Speaker 2: numbers today, you know. I find it really effective when

1101
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 2: I meet with CEOs and they ask for some coaching.

1102
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 2: We don't talk about any numbers, we don't talking about

1103
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 2: the metrics. We just talk about life and we'll eventually

1104
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 2: go to that later. But I think when we start

1105
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 2: with more of a trusting place where we can understand

1106
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 2: what's happening around you, then I can be much more

1107
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 2: thoughtful in the type of advice I give. But this

1108
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 2: also means I have to create the space and the

1109
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 2: time to do it, so not everyone has that, right,

1110
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 2: And that's where I think it's just really important to

1111
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 2: be really intentional, right, be really purposeful in these conversations.

1112
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think one of the reasons why we struggle

1113
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: to recharge is because when your phone's running out a battery,

1114
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:39,439
Speaker 1: there's only one Well, we're also bad at this. There's

1115
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: only meant to be one type of charge. And now

1116
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: I've seen people charge their phone with their map charger,

1117
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: destroying your phone, right you see being charged with the

1118
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: iPad charger. Like, but the point is there's one charger. Yeah,

1119
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: And I think when it comes to life, sleep is

1120
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:03,240
Speaker 1: a charger, meditation and mindful now food is a charger,

1121
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: working out is a charger, and people you love being

1122
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 1: around good relationships are a charger. And if everyone, while

1123
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: you're listening to this, if you could figure out the

1124
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:19,720
Speaker 1: most common times you feel at one percent and figure

1125
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: out what's the charge you need for that, right, Like,

1126
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: that's what I think we need to do.

1127
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:25,240
Speaker 3: Like I'll give an example.

1128
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: I went to an event the other day and I

1129
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: had to fly out of town and come back into town.

1130
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 3: I got back at like four am.

1131
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,760
Speaker 1: And I worked out the next day, and I felt

1132
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: so weak because I hadn't slept well of course and

1133
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 1: eating well, and so at that point I'm glad I

1134
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:43,399
Speaker 1: still worked out because I needed it. But I taught

1135
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: told my trainer I had to get a bit of

1136
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,760
Speaker 1: an easier workout because I didn't want to push myself

1137
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: when I felt weak. But it's like it takes little

1138
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,919
Speaker 1: adjustments of figuring out what charge you need right now,

1139
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: Like now, I've had a busy week at a busy weekend.

1140
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: This weekend, I know, and recharge means I need no

1141
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 1: social plans, Like that's what's going to recharge me. And

1142
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 1: so I wish everyone could just write down while you're

1143
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 1: listening to this and while you're reading David's book Recharge,

1144
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: you write down one of the most common experiences you

1145
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: feel when you feel drained, when you feel overwhelmed, when

1146
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: you feel burnt out, and what is your charger, so

1147
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: that you don't have to think about in the moment,

1148
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: because when you're trying to figure it out in the moment.

1149
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: That's when you get more overwhelmed. Like I know, before

1150
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: I go on stage, I always practice breath work. If

1151
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: I've had a couple of late nights, I know sleep

1152
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: is the only charge.

1153
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 3: That's going to solve it. Yeah.

1154
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 2: Right, speaking of that, because you've talked about you know,

1155
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 2: certain rituals. Are there certain things that you do every day,

1156
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 2: like religion every day that you just do.

1157
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of do what I call like what

1158
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: I feel is like a good eighty twenty. So, like

1159
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: I know, five days out of the seven days a week,

1160
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: I'm working out. Five days out of seven, I'm meditating

1161
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: before nine am, and then the other two will be

1162
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: meditating after nine am. And I like that balance that

1163
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: I have gratitude something I'm practicing every single day. Yeah,

1164
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,439
Speaker 1: it's such an important one. I think we do something

1165
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: with my team that I love. Every Friday will do

1166
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: a weekly win and everyone's encouraged to share what they

1167
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: believe is their win. And sometimes what's amazing about this

1168
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: activity is you feel it will always be like, oh,

1169
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 1: we had so and so on the podcast, or we

1170
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: won so and so award, and it isn't. It's actually

1171
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: these little things that people are doing behind the scenes

1172
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: that are not like these grand wins externally and they

1173
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: believe that that's been their success. And I think it's

1174
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: a really great way to actually get to know each

1175
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: other because you get to see what people value as

1176
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: success and you get to understand what people see as

1177
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 1: value in the work they do, Whereas we just assume

1178
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: that of course, if there's a big quarter, then everyone

1179
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: should be excited, and it's like, well, maybe not, because

1180
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: that's not what they equate as their personal success and contribution.

1181
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: And so doing the week key wins on Friday is

1182
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: one of my favorite things to do with my team.

1183
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: I love that takes like thirty minutes to do, and

1184
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 1: everyone just goes around my cool team and just shares

1185
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: what was their weekly with huge.

1186
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 2: I love that I sometimes start my beginning of the

1187
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 2: week staff meetings with like, how was your weekend? Just

1188
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 2: tell us something that happened personal, you know. I also

1189
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 2: find sometimes we get into all the details without getting

1190
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 2: to know one another, yeah, you know. And I find

1191
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 2: a lot a lot of times teams don't work well.

1192
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 2: They can work better together when they're a little bit

1193
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 2: more personal with one another. And it may it doesn't

1194
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:33,439
Speaker 2: have to be deep. It could just be like, hey,

1195
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 2: what did you do? Some people will say I went

1196
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 2: on a hike, I you know, went to my kid's game,

1197
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 2: or you know, I went I traveled somewhere, or binge

1198
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 2: watched the show and we're all like, what show? What's

1199
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 2: your favorite show or something, and we just get to

1200
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 2: learn something a little bit more personal about the individual,

1201
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 2: and then it's less about oh, did you hand in

1202
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 2: that PRD? Yeah it's that thing, right, It's just it's

1203
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 2: more personal, and I think and by you just doing

1204
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 2: your wins every week, you know how, I just I

1205
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 2: love that.

1206
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think about it as very simple. I think

1207
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: about it like this. You're going to spend a third

1208
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: of your life at work. Yeah, learn to get along

1209
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: with your colleagues. Yeah, learn to build relationships with the

1210
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: people you spend nine hours a day with. You're going

1211
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 1: to spend a third of your life with these people.

1212
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: You should actually really get to know them. You should

1213
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: be able to laugh with them. It would be wonderful

1214
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: if you could open your heart with them. When we

1215
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: kind of go, well, works this thing over here and

1216
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: I save all of that for home. You're basically saying

1217
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: that thirty percent of your life, you'll never experience joy,

1218
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 1: you'll never experience connection. And I don't think that's the

1219
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: world we want anymore. I think we need a world

1220
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: where work can be meaningful and thoughtful and purposeful. And again,

1221
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 1: going back to what you said, it's not that it

1222
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 1: will ever be stress free, that's right. It's not that

1223
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: it's ever going to be perfect or this utopia or

1224
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 1: this beautiful place where everything's amazing. But I think one

1225
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: of the things we don't realize is that a lack

1226
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 1: of productivity stems from lack of trust. Yeah, when you

1227
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: have trust and you have interpersonal connection, things move fast

1228
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 1: and people are not gatekeeping. No one's trying to be

1229
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 1: a bottleneck. No one's looking out for how they can

1230
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: be top dog. There's this feeling of we're all going

1231
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 1: to win together. And I think if leaders can start

1232
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: to figure out what that culture is, then people will

1233
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 1: achieve so much more and they'll be happier. I think,

1234
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: you know one of my I would hate to be

1235
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: at the top of a hill with the team and

1236
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:30,919
Speaker 1: three people like gave up along the way.

1237
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 3: Two people told me they never want to come back.

1238
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 1: Right. I was going to ask you, you've had so

1239
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 1: much business success before Calm. You know at Calm, like

1240
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 1: walk us through how your views have changed of recharging

1241
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 1: and recharging your team.

1242
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 2: It's it's it's actually really interesting. I used to be

1243
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 2: one of the youngest secs in the room, and now

1244
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 2: I'm the oldest person in the room. I think when

1245
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 2: I was younger, I felt that I had to be

1246
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 2: in every decision process. And that's a little bit of like, oh,

1247
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 2: I'm productive because I got my hands in everything, and

1248
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 2: it was probably the opposite. I was probably causing more

1249
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 2: stress and less productivity on approach. And I realized that

1250
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 2: later that it's it's not the number of meetings or

1251
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 2: decisions you're making. It's not the quantity. It's the quality

1252
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 2: of those decisions. And I keep going back always the

1253
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 2: quality of decision making.

1254
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 3: What is a quality decision. Let's let's define that.

1255
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 2: Well, that's great. Yeah, So like it's things that you

1256
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 2: feel that where you sit could move the for me,

1257
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 2: can move the business forward in the most meaningful manner.

1258
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 2: So sometimes it could be helping teams unlock a product decision.

1259
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 2: Sometimes could be helping teams with things that partnerships that

1260
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 2: may move it forward. Other times it may mean things

1261
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 2: around culture or HR, but it's really being intentional in

1262
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 2: terms of the types of decisions you're making and where

1263
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 2: you're spending your time. It's not being in every decision

1264
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 2: with everybody because ultimately they have to make decisions too.

1265
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 2: One thing we've been doing now that I feel that

1266
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 2: is really brought the company closer together is we did

1267
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 2: this retreat where it wasn't just a leadership team. We

1268
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 2: brought many different people together and I said, you guys,

1269
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 2: come up with the company strategy.

1270
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 3: And they were like and this woman.

1271
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 2: They were like what. And I'm like, They're like, don't

1272
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 2: you have it. My younger self would have been like,

1273
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 2: here it is. I was like, no, you do it.

1274
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you it was so much better than

1275
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 2: what I was thinking. And it just reminded me again,

1276
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 2: you hire all these smart people, you take all these

1277
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:40,919
Speaker 2: time vetting them, doing reference checks. Let them do their job.

1278
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 2: Give them a chance. If it was a sports analogy

1279
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 2: to shoot the ball, give them a chance to play,

1280
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 2: you know, don't feel like you're keeping them on the

1281
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 2: bench the whole time and you have to do everything

1282
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 2: and give them a shot. And I do that a

1283
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 2: lot more now. I'm much more intentional with it now.

1284
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 2: It was great. We rolled it out to the company

1285
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 2: at that offsite you were at. People came away and

1286
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 2: said it was the most inspiring offsite and they were like,

1287
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 2: that was great. I said, I didn't do it. They

1288
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Speaker 2: did it and came from the team, and I think

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01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 2: it felt so much more meaningful to them because it

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01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 2: came from them, and it was so much more spot

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Speaker 2: on and we And really what it was around was

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01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 2: we've talked about trying to make the world healthier and happier.

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01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 2: We've tried We've talked about as a company trying to

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01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 2: be with you every step of the way and your

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01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 2: mental health journey. And this was really around how to

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01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 2: become how do we become the most impactful consumer mental

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01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 2: health company in the world. And when I sat back

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Speaker 2: and said that's what we want to become and the

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01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 2: team had kind of been the one synthesizing it, then

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01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 2: everyone started mobilizing against it on their own and they

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01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 2: had thought about things that I never even thought about

1302
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 2: because I'm just too far sometimes away from the details.

1303
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 2: And then now I've seen us accelerate and I know

1304
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 2: that motion and muscle can be repeated right, and you

1305
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 2: can bring it to other companies regardless of size. And

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01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 2: I think sometimes as companies get larger, and I've had

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01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 2: the fortune of starting my own company where it's like

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01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 2: three of us, and then it grows to thirty whatever,

1309
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 2: three hundred, and then the thousands, and then the fortune

1310
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 2: of joining companies later where it's thousands and it becomes

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01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands. Ultimately, that culture is your bedrock. You know,

1312
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 2: whether or not how many people you stack on top

1313
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 2: of it, what you start to set as your foundation

1314
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 2: will percolate amongst the entire company. And if you don't

1315
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 2: do that the right way, and if you're not thought

1316
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 2: then you may not get the results that you're happy with, right,

1317
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 2: and you may create more stressful environments that you just

1318
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 2: unintentionally didn't think about. And that's where I really appreciate

1319
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 2: about when leaders come around, they talk about being more

1320
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 2: thoughtful and their decision making process, being more vulnerable, being

1321
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 2: more open, really thinking about employees' mental health, but then

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01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 2: not just talking about it, but then really acting upon

1323
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 2: it totally. And if you can do that a little

1324
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 2: bit year after year, right, you can really create a

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01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 2: special culture. And I think they'll do special things.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, David, It's been such a joy talking to you today.

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01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed our dialogue around recharging. And you know,

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01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for the work you're doing at Calm

1329
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 1: because I remember being a analyst at Eccentia and I.

1330
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 2: Was taking you were really good.

1331
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 3: I was, I was okay.

1332
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 1: I was tasked with teaching meditation in my spare time

1333
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 1: and mindfulness in my spare time at the company, and

1334
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 1: I would travel around and I would do lunchtime sessions

1335
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 1: and after work sessions, and I couldn't scale myself. But

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01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: now thanks to Calm, not only am I able to

1337
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 1: scale myself to more people, but we're able to introduce

1338
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 1: people to so many amazing hosts and narrators that we

1339
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 1: have on Calm. And I think inside an organization, you

1340
01:06:57,120 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 1: no longer need someone running around the organization and physically

1341
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 1: trying to serve lots of people. You actually have the

1342
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:07,439
Speaker 1: ability for everyone to tune in. And we end every

1343
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 1: on Purpose episode with a final five. These questions have

1344
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 1: to be answered in one word to one sentence maximum,

1345
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 1: So David Cod, these are your final five. The first

1346
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 1: question is what is the best recharge advice you've ever

1347
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 1: heard in your life to.

1348
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 2: Be more present. I recognize at times that I've been there,

1349
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 2: but not really, and so you are. You do so

1350
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 2: good at this where you're just so present, whether it's

1351
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 2: one person or hundreds or thousands, I've seen it. I've

1352
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 2: been in your auditoriums where you've tried and everyone feels

1353
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 2: your presence and so presence.

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01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 1: I like that answer, not in the part about me,

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01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:48,439
Speaker 1: you're very kind, but the because I don't think we've

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01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 1: realized how draining it is when you're not present. And

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01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 1: you gave that great analogy earlier. When you have lots

1358
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 1: of tabs and apps open, Yeah, that's when we drain

1359
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 1: our battery. That's right, and so so many of us

1360
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 1: are draining our back by thinking, oh, I'm here right

1361
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 1: now with David, But actually, if my mind's over there,

1362
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 1: I'll get more done. And you're actually depleting your battery.

1363
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 1: So it's a great answer. Second question, what is the

1364
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 1: worst advice you've ever heard about recharging yourself?

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Speaker 3: Sorry?

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01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 2: Mom, because she's going to be listening and watching, and

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01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 2: my mom. I love my mom, so I'm gonna start

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01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:22,759
Speaker 2: by that, and she's given me lots of great advice,

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01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 2: But this probably was the worst advice she gave me

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01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 2: as a child, which was to power through. And it's

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01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 2: not about powering through. It's really about powering up. And

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01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 2: she didn't know, you know, but you know, Mom, I

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01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 2: think it was not about powering through.

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Speaker 1: Question number three, what's your three favorite ways to power up?

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Speaker 2: So I have rituals like you and my rituals. In

1376
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 2: the morning, when I wake up, I don't look at

1377
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 2: my phone right away. I actually go downstairs, I start

1378
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 2: the coffee, I open the window, and I walk outside

1379
01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 2: and I take three breasts. And it's been something I've

1380
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 2: been very intentional about doing. If I'm traveling, I try

1381
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 2: to open the window, you know, wherever it may be,

1382
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 2: if you're an apartment or something. That process starts to

1383
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:12,600
Speaker 2: center me. The second I do is I do a

1384
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 2: lot of walking meetings, and so I'm a big fan

1385
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:18,640
Speaker 2: of like trying to break things up that help me

1386
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:21,719
Speaker 2: reach or so people give me energy, I would say,

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01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 2: going outside, breathing people give me energy. And then lastly,

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01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 2: I think, similar to yourself, I love to exercise as well,

1389
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:31,719
Speaker 2: and I've become a lot better at keeping a steady

1390
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 2: schedule around it. And even someone said this to me

1391
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 2: the other day. They said do something every day, right,

1392
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 2: and I'm like, great, I'm gonna do something every day,

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01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna be really intentional about it and just

1394
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 2: keep at it. Some days I'll go to the gym.

1395
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 2: Some days I'll do something at home, but be really quick,

1396
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 2: but exercise as well.

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Speaker 1: I love that question before what are your three favorite

1398
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:54,719
Speaker 1: ways to power down?

1399
01:09:55,280 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 2: I turn everything off, meaning the following, so be just

1400
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 2: putting my phone and turning it over, because I don't

1401
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 2: think sometimes that's enough. I'll just be like, you know what,

1402
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 2: I'm kind of done. I wanted to ask you earlier

1403
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 2: because I'm curious if you had a day and you

1404
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 2: didn't use your phone social media, what does that day

1405
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 2: look like for you?

1406
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 1: Those are the best days. It doesn't happen very often.

1407
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 1: I've definitely tried really hard. One thing I've really focused

1408
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 1: on is when me and my wife were together in

1409
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:27,680
Speaker 1: the evening for dinner, and then if we're watching a

1410
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 1: show or something. Is not bringing the phone to those

1411
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:32,760
Speaker 1: two things because I found myself a lot of the

1412
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 1: time like finishing off last emails messaging while we're having dinner,

1413
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 1: and then when you're watching a show, you're distracted, and

1414
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 1: then you watch your partner get distracted, and then you're

1415
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 1: like mad at them for getting distracted. But then when

1416
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 1: they put their phone down, you've got yours up, and

1417
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 1: they're mad at you for getting distracted. I was like,

1418
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 1: what are we doing here? And I was starting to

1419
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 1: notice just my attention span just dropping. I've noticed that

1420
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 1: a lot in the last twelve months, more than any

1421
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:01,600
Speaker 1: time before, and I've realized so much of it is

1422
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:04,720
Speaker 1: because of just the speed of consumption. So now it's

1423
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 1: not even that we're consuming a lot. We're consuming a

1424
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 1: lot at a really fast rate, and so you're just

1425
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 1: making it easier for your mind to get two seconds

1426
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 1: of everything. And so for me, I try and make

1427
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 1: my weekends very phone free, because weekdays I am on

1428
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 1: my phone. I've also found that even when I'm with

1429
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 1: my team, if I can have my laptop in the room,

1430
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 1: but my laptop's not connected to messaging apps and then

1431
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:31,880
Speaker 1: my phone's not in the room, I actually find I'm

1432
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 1: better with my team. So I can still do email,

1433
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 1: I can still do work on my laptop, but it's

1434
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 1: not wired up to WhatsApp, it's not wired up to

1435
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:41,559
Speaker 1: text message. I don't need it, and so I've been

1436
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:44,759
Speaker 1: trying to leave my phone actually out of my hand

1437
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 1: when I'm not traveling. If I'm going out for work

1438
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 1: or driving, of course I need my phone, but if

1439
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 1: I'm in the office, I don't need my phone on

1440
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 1: me in meetings or in between meetings. Actually, and all

1441
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 1: of this is stuff I'm still working on too, because

1442
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 1: I find myself go through ups and down with it.

1443
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 1: There are times when I'm brilliant at it. I also

1444
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 1: follow you. I don't keep my friend in my bedroom,

1445
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 1: don't look at it first and in the morning. But

1446
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 1: I also have days where I break that completely when

1447
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 1: I'm traveling. And so I don't want to make anyone

1448
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 1: feel like I've got it down or perfect, because I haven't.

1449
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 1: And I think it's almost like peaks and troughs. There's

1450
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 1: always a good day and a bad week, and a

1451
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 1: good week and a bad day. Yeah.

1452
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:24,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great, that's brilliant, just being honest.

1453
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Fifth and final question to David co If you

1454
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 1: could create one law that everyone in the world had

1455
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: to follow, what would it be.

1456
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:35,080
Speaker 2: Kids have to go to gym five days, and they

1457
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 2: know there's physical exercise, and it's just kind of like

1458
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 2: it's just understood. Why can't we take some of that

1459
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 2: time for children to also better understand their own mental

1460
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 2: health and to teach them about their mental health because

1461
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 2: we know so much of this starts early, just like

1462
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:51,840
Speaker 2: it started with myself at fourteen. If I had that

1463
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:55,599
Speaker 2: vocabulary at fourteen, I probably would have developed better kind

1464
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 2: of healthy behaviors at fourteen and did that as I

1465
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 2: turned into a young and so I would love to

1466
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:03,600
Speaker 2: take a little bit of time. It doesn't have to

1467
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 2: be all the time. It could be a carve outs

1468
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 2: maybe once twice, three times a week where we educate

1469
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:11,799
Speaker 2: our children, check it on them on their mental health

1470
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:13,599
Speaker 2: or their battery, and ask them the question.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

1472
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:16,799
Speaker 1: What a great lawyer that would have a big impact

1473
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 1: on the world. The book is called Recharge. We've got

1474
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:23,240
Speaker 1: interviews with everyone from Rando Park to Maclamore. It's a

1475
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 1: brilliant book, so fascinating.

1476
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 3: You know them. You know, I love the format. I

1477
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 3: loved the format.

1478
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:31,600
Speaker 1: The format is fantastic, Like you sat down with experts,

1479
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 1: with rappers, with rebels, innovators, thought leaders, and you put

1480
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:38,599
Speaker 1: together this beautiful book called Recharge. David, I'm so grateful

1481
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:40,559
Speaker 1: that you put it together. I'm so grateful we connected

1482
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 1: and I'm and thank you for taking the time having

1483
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 1: me here. Thank you for talking about the book. It's

1484
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:49,799
Speaker 1: it's it's something I'm so proud of. I hope people

1485
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 1: people get some you know, really get something out of it.

1486
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 1: We talked to a lot of different folks, like you said,

1487
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 1: like Randall, who's you know? You know as well, and

1488
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 1: many other folks there, Isla, and they just talked about

1489
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 1: so many amazing things, and I was really touched by

1490
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 1: talking to each and every one of them. I was

1491
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 1: honored to hear their stories and it just made me

1492
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 1: a better person. It also has helped me in my

1493
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 1: mental health journey, and I hope it helps some other

1494
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:17,720
Speaker 1: people as well. David, thank you so much. Is there

1495
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 1: anything I didn't ask you that you really want to

1496
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 1: touch on? Something that's on you? How o mine that's

1497
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 1: calling for you to share. I'd love for you to

1498
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 1: share it.

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Speaker 2: You never asked me how my battery is, how's your?

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Speaker 2: I would tell you my battery is at one hundred

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01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:33,599
Speaker 2: over one hundred percent because I got to spend time

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01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 2: with you. Yeah, no, no, And I'll tell you conversations

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01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:42,600
Speaker 2: like this just recharge and energize me. I love the

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01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:44,559
Speaker 2: fact that we got to sit. I've loved the fact

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01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 2: that I got to know you personally and professionally. I'm

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01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 2: so grateful for our friendship, your mentorship, your words of wisdom.

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01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 2: I know how many millions of people you affect every day.

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01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:56,680
Speaker 2: I mean over fifty million people on a comp the

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01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 2: entire employee base of Calm. Just I can't tell you

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Speaker 2: the impact you've made both on us on a personal

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01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 2: and professional front. So thank you. I want to ask you,

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Speaker 2: how's your a battery?

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Speaker 3: Do you know what?

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Speaker 1: And I'm not just saying this because you're here and

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01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 1: I really do mean it. You recharge my battery too,

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01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 1: Like this conversation is, I'd say, before you came in today,

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01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 1: I was probably at like a sixty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I've had a lot of social events in the past

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01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. Just we had Devali, which is our

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01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 1: yes beautiful festival every year we had. There was just

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01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 1: so much going on and all good stuff, all stuff

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01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 1: I wanted to go to. But I'm very disciplined about

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01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:38,720
Speaker 1: my sleep all year around, and at this time of year,

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01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 1: I kind of let go a little bit because there

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01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:43,400
Speaker 1: are so many wonderful events that I get invited to,

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01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:45,599
Speaker 1: and so I've been feeling a bit and as soon

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01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 1: as you came in, you took me from a sixty

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01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 1: to and ninety five easily. And honestly, it's this conversation

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01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 1: because it felt so real, so authentic, so genuine. I

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01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 1: felt like, again, you were really present, And I think

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01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:00,160
Speaker 1: that's what we don't realize when you're present with and

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01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 1: you're charging them up while you're being charged, and that's

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01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 1: such a superpower that often we think, oh, if I'm

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01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:11,679
Speaker 1: charging someone else up, I'm losing energy, but that's not true.

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01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 1: If you're charging someone else else up by being present,

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01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 1: you're getting charged, so are they. And we've both felt

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01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 1: that today and I genuinely felt that today, And honestly,

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01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 1: Calm has just been such a brilliant partner. It's the

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01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 1: team I love working with every day, whether it's the

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01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:31,679
Speaker 1: content team, the team that we work within the studio,

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01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 1: the team that I get to see once a year,

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01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:37,880
Speaker 1: the leadership, everyone walks the talk there and it's it's

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01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 1: so impressive to me. Thank you because I felt it

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01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 1: from the moment I started doing zooms and meetings with

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01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 1: everyone at CARM and It's remarkable what you're all doing

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01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 1: and I can't wait to be a part of the future.

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Speaker 1: So congratulations, and it's just the beginning. We're just getting started.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Thank you, David, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: If this year you're trying to live longer, live happy,

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01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 1: live healthier, go and check out my conversation with the

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01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:07,759
Speaker 1: world's biggest longevity doctor, Peter Attia on how to slow

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01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 1: down aging and why your emotional health is directly impacting

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01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 1: your physical health.

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Speaker 3: Acknowledge that there is surprisingly little known about the relationship

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01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:20,640
Speaker 3: between nutrition and health, and people are going to be

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01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 3: shocked to hear that, because I think most people think

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Speaker 3: the exact opposite