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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Joel Waldman is the co host of the hit true

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Speaker 2: crime podcast Surviving the Survivor and the author of a

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Speaker 2: book of the same name, Surviving the Survivor. Joel's co

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Speaker 2: host on the podcast is his eighty something year old mother,

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Speaker 2: carm Waldman, a Holocaust survivor and psychotherapist for over forty years.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Carm couldn't be here tonight because she's a little under

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Speaker 2: the weather, but we wish her a speedy recovery. Joel

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Speaker 2: is also an Emmy Award winning broadcast journalist who worked

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Speaker 2: most recently as a Washington, DC based correspondent for Fox News,

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Speaker 2: covering national politics from Capitol Hill. He's also worked as

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Speaker 2: an investigative reporter for Fox five in New York City

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Speaker 2: and for TV News program in West Palm Beach, Miami,

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Speaker 2: and Tucson. He lives in Miami Beach with his wife

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Speaker 2: and three children. Joel Waldman, Welcome to Coast to Coast AM.

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Speaker 3: How are you Richard doing so well?

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Speaker 4: I'm had to say I'm a Coast to Coast insider

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Speaker 4: myself a huge fan since ninety seven, so this is

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Speaker 4: supernatural to me, like and outer body experience.

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Speaker 3: So thank you so much. This is a thrill for me.

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Speaker 3: And I've done a lot of media with a book,

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Speaker 3: with the podcast, so I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: First of all, you're in Miami. How were things down

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Speaker 2: in Florida for you?

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Speaker 4: So the storm passed us to the west and we

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Speaker 4: were fine here, just you know, intermittent rain, but the

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Speaker 4: West coast obviously got hit so hard. And I've got

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Speaker 4: a good friend in Ashville, and if you haven't seen

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Speaker 4: the flooding up there, it's worth googling. It's amazing what

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Speaker 4: Mother Nature can do. So we're seeing her wrath today.

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Speaker 4: And as you said off the top of the show,

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Speaker 4: my thoughts are with the forty plus people who have

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Speaker 4: passed away as a result of the storm.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just terrible, terrible, all right. Before we dive

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Speaker 2: into the true crime, I want to ask you about

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Speaker 2: your mom karm, a Holocaust survivor. How has her extraordinary

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Speaker 2: life experience shaped your approach to investigating and discussing true crime.

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Speaker 4: That's an amazing question and one I hadn't really pondered.

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Speaker 4: But my mom also, in addition to being a Holocaust

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Speaker 4: survivor was a licensed marriage therapist for forty plus years,

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Speaker 4: so I really grew up in a household and my

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Speaker 4: dad may he Rest in Peace, was a psychiatrist, So

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Speaker 4: I grew up. You know, people think I'm crazy by default,

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Speaker 4: but I really got a very strong understanding of human nature,

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Speaker 4: the way people think, the issues and the problems that

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Speaker 4: they go through, and I think that's really what drew

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Speaker 4: me to journalism. I've always been a people person, always

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Speaker 4: been interested in stories, and I think that's the answer.

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Speaker 4: It's more so what she did than where she came from.

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Speaker 4: But her background is really amazing.

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Speaker 2: As I mentioned, the dynamic between you and your mom

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Speaker 2: on the podcast is just so special. But what's it

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Speaker 2: like exploring the darkest corners of human nature together, especially

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Speaker 2: given the contrast between her survival story and these modern

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so her story, just to get a feel for it,

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Speaker 4: and I just wrote a book about it under the

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Speaker 4: same titles of podcast, called Surbiding the Survivor, And for

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Speaker 4: full disclosure, it's really kind of a laugh out loud book,

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Speaker 4: even though you know, we talked about the Holocaust, so

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Speaker 4: it's about fifteen percent Holocaust and eighty five percent life

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Speaker 4: advice from her, And if anyone's got life advice, it

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Speaker 4: But promised to come on the next time. But at

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Speaker 4: But very very long story short. She was saved by

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Speaker 4: two non Jews known as righteous Gentiles, one of whom

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Speaker 3: It was only later in life, once I.

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Speaker 4: Started working on this book, that I found out my

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Speaker 3: So my story.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, she also, you know, she lost the son, and

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Speaker 4: And for her, she admits that's the most difficult thing

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Speaker 4: she's ever experienced. But nevertheless, she is the most optimistic

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Speaker 3: And she's my role model. She's who I look up to, and.

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Speaker 2: Her insights as a psychotherapist must bring a fascinating layer

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Speaker 2: to your conversations. I mean, how does her perspective on

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So the podcast, I kind of found a niche

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Speaker 4: within a niche, and we have the best guest and

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Speaker 4: true crime and I always say it's not a tagline,

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Speaker 4: it is the reality. Shout out to my booking producer

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Speaker 4: Steve Cohen and my wife Eleanna, who helped produce the show.

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Speaker 4: But we bring in absolutely amazing guests. I mean the

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Speaker 4: top criminal profilers, the top criminal defense attorneys, top FBI agents,

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Speaker 4: different perspective. You've met her, you've talked to her. She

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Speaker 4: as sharp as attack for eighty five and she always

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Speaker 3: So's why we keep on the show. And I love

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Speaker 2: All right, So let's dive into some true crime. In

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Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, Florida law professor Dan Markle was executed in

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Speaker 2: his driveway, a victim. It appears of a bitter custody battle,

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Speaker 2: and allegedly this was orchestrated by his ex wife's family.

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Speaker 2: And this chilling murder reveals a web of betrayal and revenge.

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Speaker 2: With hitmen convicted, the mastermind remains elusive. It's a haunting mystery.

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Speaker 2: But let's talk about Dan Markle, the victim, this prominent

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Speaker 4: Sure, so, Den Martl, he was, as you just said,

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Speaker 4: coming from, but I don't think totally intentional. Dan by

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Speaker 3: A top firm coming out of Harvard.

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Speaker 4: And he had no interest. Really, he wanted to teach.

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Speaker 4: Along the way, he meets a woman named Wendy Adelson

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Speaker 4: While the other one's who done it? But one of

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Speaker 2: And it's been just over ten years since Dan wash that.

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Speaker 2: As you say, he died the next day. Why is

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Speaker 4: close with Ruth Markel and Phil Markel and Shelley Markell,

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Speaker 4: King gang member, the other is basically just a career

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Speaker 4: criminal and a thug. And the thug his name is

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Speaker 4: Secredo Garcia. He has two children with Katie Magbanawa. Katie

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Speaker 4: Magbanua was dating Charlie Adelson, so she's the connection. Cops

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Speaker 4: figured out the conveni grand jury.

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Speaker 3: And the dominoes start to fall.

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Speaker 2: So Katie Magbanua the intermediary. She hires the hitman, Sigfredo

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Speaker 2: Garcia and Garcia's friend Louis Rivera, and correct Rivera did

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Speaker 2: Garcia and Rivera cop a plea.

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Speaker 3: Rivera caught the Plea.

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Speaker 4: He was already in prison on racketeering charges, so he

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Speaker 4: he couldn't He said he didn't even know who had

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Speaker 4: hired him. But to paraphrase, he said, uh, the lady

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Speaker 4: wanted her kids back, inferring that when they Adelson was

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Speaker 4: behind it. So one of the you know, the much

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Speaker 4: bigger questions right now is who really orchestrated this. The

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Speaker 4: consensus is that it was Donna Adelson, this overbearing Jewish mother.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, I might have a little bit

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Speaker 4: to defend herself. And that's one of the things that

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Speaker 4: is just kind of the odd similarities, if you will.

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Speaker 4: But she really infantilized her children, and Charlie was an

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Speaker 4: unbelievable mama's boy. So what people think happened, and what

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Speaker 4: I think happened, is that Wendy was really unhappy. She

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Speaker 4: and Dan started having a major rift in the relationship.

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Speaker 4: She starts complaining to her mother, the mother, Donnosiue Adelson,

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Speaker 4: then starts complaining to Charlie. This is a highly enmeshed family.

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Speaker 4: Charlie's a very wealthy periodontist, as is his father. He

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Speaker 4: drives around Charlie does enough Ferrari with a license plate

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Speaker 4: that says Maestro.

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Speaker 3: He's a total ladies man.

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Speaker 4: He's out, you know, parting, and and people think that

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Speaker 4: Donna basically convinced Charlie to help put this hit together.

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Speaker 4: And the question remains, what heart of this did Wendy have.

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Speaker 4: So Charlie actually was on trial a year ago November,

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Speaker 4: he was convicted in the murder for Higher Plot. He

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Speaker 4: is now sentenced to life in prison.

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