1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to another episode of The Mark Moss Show, 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: where we're always talking about the decentralized revolution. I'm breaking 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: down the way the world is changing so you can 4 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: understand what's going on, where we're going and what you 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: should be doing about it. And I like to bring 6 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: you some education to kind of help you understand things differently, 7 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: and some late breaking news so you can see the 8 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: play by play of how these changes are taking place. 9 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: And that's what we got coming up today. I got 10 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: a lot of news stories that happened this week. I 11 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: want to cover something really, really really big happened in 12 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: the financial space with the SEC Security Exchange Commission and 13 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: cryptocurrency big deal. I want to talk about the problems 14 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: the United States is having when it really comes down 15 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: to dealing with this global decentralization that's happening, specifically in 16 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: regards to ramping itself up against China and so forth. 17 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: I want to talk about what is going on in 18 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: the US real estate market with some new entrants into 19 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: the space, as well as presidential candidates wane in against 20 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: that and who you won't believe what this teacher just 21 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: said to the student. It goes, it builds on exactly 22 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: what I talked about last week on the show. We're 23 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,479 Speaker 1: going to cover all that and more, a whole lot more. 24 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 1: So don't tune out. I got to cover all this. 25 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: If you do have to tune out, don't worry. You 26 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: can catch up on the podcast. Just search the Mark 27 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: More Show on your favorite podcast player. Now, like I said, 28 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: big news in the financial space overall, this is really 29 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: about bitcoin and cryptocurrency. However, it's really about the financial 30 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: system overall. What am I talking about. I'm talking about 31 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: the SEC Security Exchange Mission getting whacked again, getting slapped again, 32 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: let's say, getting their butt kicked again. If I should say, so, 33 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: what am I talking about? Well, the SEC is meant 34 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: to protect consumers. Of course, they don't do that. All 35 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: they do is put consumers into more harm. That's what 36 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,559 Speaker 1: they do. In my opinion, as I've said many many times, 37 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: I think they should just shut down in disgrace. They 38 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: didn't stop any of the problems that happened in cryptocurrency 39 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: over the last five six, seven years. They didn't prevent 40 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: anything from going on. With the terror Luna collapse, that 41 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: didn't help anybody. With the Celsius collapse, which is a 42 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 1: US based regulated company. They didn't help anybody. They didn't 43 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,519 Speaker 1: help anybody prevent loss with the block file, which is 44 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: again a US based company. They didn't help anybody with 45 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: the FTX, even though Gary Ginslow, the head of the 46 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: SEC is buddy Buddy and with with the FTX crew 47 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: Sam Binkman Fried, they didn't help anybody with any of that. 48 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, in my opinion, they only 49 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: helped it get worse and harm more people. So I 50 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: think they should shut down his grace. However, I think 51 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: as I as I warned back I think November of 52 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: last year, that Gary Ginzer was gonna come out swinging. 53 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: He has egg on his face, he looks horrible, and 54 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: he can't go out like that. So he's got to 55 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:53,679 Speaker 1: come extra heavy handed to really prove his proof, prove 56 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: that he could get things under control, right, that he's 57 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: a man of action or something like that. And so 58 00:02:58,040 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: I warned that was gonna be the case, and that's 59 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: certainly has been the case. They have started to slap judgments, 60 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: or not judgments, but a regulatory action against all types 61 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 1: of crypto projects as well as most of the crypto exchanges, 62 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 1: which is what I had had predicted would be the 63 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: main choke point. It's way usual to go after five 64 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: or six exchanges, that is, you know, twenty five thirty 65 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: thousand tokens. He's done some of both. But what's interesting 66 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: is that they're getting the SEC themselves and Gary Ginsler 67 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: is the one getting the SmackDown. So we've seen several 68 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: high ranking law members basically calling for Gary Ginsler's resignation. 69 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: We see, you know, people calling for him to step down, 70 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: people for him to quit all of that. And at 71 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: the same time, a lot of these enforcement actions that 72 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: has been filing have also been getting slapped down. We 73 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: saw I think I covered a few weeks ago, how 74 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: the long standing case that everybody's been watching is the 75 00:03:55,280 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: SEC versus Ripple and XRP and they sort of lost 76 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: on some sort of made up on the other and 77 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: I want to go back into that. But now another 78 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: one which the SEC has been basically denying every single 79 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: bitcoin ETF that's come across its desk, which doesn't make 80 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: a lot of sense to me. They say that the 81 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: reason why that they want they don't want to allow 82 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: a spot bitcoin ETF is because they're not sure how 83 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: much manipulation is out there in the market, but I don't. 84 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: I've never really understood that. And the reason why is 85 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: you have two types of ETFs. ETF one is where 86 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: you don't really buy the underlying products. So what does 87 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: that mean. That means if I were to buy a 88 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: bitcoin ETF, a spot ETF, and I gave them a 89 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: thousand dollars, they would have to go buy one thousand 90 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: dollars with a bitcoin to back my thousand dollars in there. 91 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: That's a spot ETF. But the other way is on 92 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: the futures, where basically I'm just betting on the price 93 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: direction of the underlying asset. And that's how most gold 94 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: ETFs are. There's rumored, don't even know, it's rumored to 95 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: have about five hundred fake paper ounces for every one 96 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: real physical ounce. And so they're doing bitcoin the same way. 97 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: So they've allowed those types of bitcoin ETFs to happen. 98 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: But we don't have a spot a physical bitcoin ETF. 99 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: And they say, because we don't know how much manipulation's 100 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: out there, Well, if you manipulate the price, you manipulate 101 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 1: the price, what difference does it make if I own 102 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 1: the asset or not. We're still betting on the price 103 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: of the asset either way, right, So that never made 104 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: sense to me. But that's what they've been hanging on. Well, 105 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: there's Grayscale Bitcoin Trust I've talked about for a long time, 106 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 1: which is sort of like an ETF, but because ETFs 107 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: aren't allowed, it's under a different sort of entity called 108 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: a trust. But they Gray Scale wants to convert from 109 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: this trust into an ETF. They already hold the bitcoin 110 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: and so they've been trying to get that converted, and 111 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: the SEC has continued to deny their application to convert 112 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: from the trust into the ETF. So Gray Scale sued 113 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: and Gray Scale one. The Gray Scale won the lawsuit. 114 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, the judges unanimously repudiated the 115 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 1: SEC's arguments and the agency of what the agency said. 116 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: The appeals court found that the SEC to be arbitrary 117 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: and capricious in its denial order of gbtc's conversion into 118 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: an ETF, and it vacated the decision. They repudiated virtually 119 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: every argument made by the SEC when comparing the bitcoin 120 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: spot and the futures markets, saying the agency failed to 121 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: adequately explain why it approved ETFs tracking one and not 122 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: the other. That's exactly what I've been saying this whole time. 123 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: They reputed virtually every argument made by the SEC. So 124 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: the SEC is trying to say, no, no, no, these 125 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: are different. You know, the spot and the futures are different. Well, 126 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: the judge said, no, they're not. And so this is 127 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: a big deal, and it continues to discredit, It continues 128 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: to take away the credibility of the SEC and what 129 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: Gary Ginsler is doing. And apparently, according to Bloomberg Intelligence, 130 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: they're saying that now because this has happened, the chances 131 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: of the SEC approving a spot bitcoin ETF this year 132 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: have risen to seventy five percent from just sixty five 133 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: percent or before the win. Now, Bloomberg Intelligence says that 134 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: they believe that the odds are ninety five percent before 135 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: the end of twenty twenty four. Now that's a big 136 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: deal for a bunch of reasons. Like I said, it's 137 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: a big deal if you're a GBTC holder, a Grayscale 138 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: Bitcoin Trust holder. It's a big deal because it can 139 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: unlock those tokens for you. It's also a big deal 140 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: because it's showing a string of events where the SEC 141 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: is continually getting smacked down. And so we're starting to 142 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: see that this over you know, overburdensome, heavy handed approach 143 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: by the SEC is getting peeled back. And I think 144 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: that's a good thing. Like I said from the beginning, 145 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: I think they should just shut down. And so they're 146 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: not going to do that, but maybe it'll start to 147 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: slow them down a little bit, take away some of them, 148 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: like I said, some of their heavy handed actions. Now, 149 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: the big ETF that everybody's waiting for is this Blackrock ETF. Now, 150 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: Blackrock is the largest asset manager in the world. They're 151 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: essentially an extension of the government, if you will. They 152 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: do a lot of purchases for the FED, et cetera. 153 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: And they have an ATF that's on the docket, a 154 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: physical ETF, and they could be the first one in. 155 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: Now is Blackrock good or bad for the future of 156 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: bitcoin and crypto? Well, I'm no fan of Blackrock. That 157 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: is not a mystery. I talk bad about them all 158 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 1: the time. They've taken all your money and they use 159 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: it against your best interest. So I would say that 160 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: they're probably good and bad. I'm afraid that if they 161 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 1: do like what they always do, which is take over 162 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: majority interest in all these companies, they could use that 163 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: for bad, like they do all the time. I could 164 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: also argue that it could be good because it could 165 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,599 Speaker 1: bring a massive amount of people into the bitcoin in 166 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: the cryptocurrency space, which could push the asset prices up 167 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: sky high to the moon. So I guess it depends 168 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 1: on it's good if you own crypto and bitcoin and 169 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: you'd like to see it go higher. It could be 170 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: bad because they could potentially try to centralize and manipulate 171 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,719 Speaker 1: it like they don't normally do. Now, if you're just 172 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: tune in, you're listening to the markmas Show, we're talking 173 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,599 Speaker 1: about the decentralized Revolution. We've been talking about some of 174 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 1: the latest breaking news headlines of the week. I got 175 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: a lot more to cover when I come back, So 176 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: don't go away. I'll bear back, all right, Welcome back. 177 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: If you're tune in, you're listening to the Mark mass Show. 178 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: We're talking about some of the latest breaking news headlines 179 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: that happened this week that continue to build on our 180 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:46,839 Speaker 1: narrative of this decentralized revolution. Now, looking at the economy, 181 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: I always like to look at through the lens of politics, finance, 182 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 1: and technology, because it's really when you look at the 183 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: convergence of those three things that you really start to 184 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: build out a better picture of what the heck is 185 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: going on. But in regards to the economy, which is 186 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: driven by both politics and finance, if you want to 187 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: know what's going on there, you kind of have to 188 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: look at Jerome Powell, the head of the Federal Reserve. 189 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: The Federal Reserve sets the monetary policy, uh, not just 190 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: for the United States, but really for the whole world 191 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: by setting the price of money. Right, so when they 192 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: increase interest rates, like they've done the fastest rate in history, 193 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: then we they're changing the price of money. They're making 194 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: money more expensive. When money's more expensive, less people buy it. 195 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: You buy money by paying the interest rate. Now, the 196 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: FED just had their annual meeting in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, 197 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: where it wasn't just the US and the FED, it 198 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: was the international bankers as well. Christine Leguard from the 199 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: ECB European Central Bank was over there as lots of 200 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: other bankers were as well. Now, of course, since it's 201 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: in the US and it's the Jerome Powell and the 202 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 1: Fed's meeting, of course, mister Powell gave his keynote address. Now, 203 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: a couple of things of interest in there was that 204 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: he said that the fight against inflation wasn't finished and 205 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: that there was still a long way to go to 206 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: get the job done, which seems kind of hawkish. He 207 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: said that the lower monthly readings for core inflation in 208 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: June and July, we're welcome, So he liked it. But 209 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: he said two months of good data are only the beginning. 210 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: Twelve month core inflation data is still elevated. So he's 211 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: kind of saying, look, we're committed to bring it down inflation. 212 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: He said this many times. He said there's going to 213 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: be pain. He said, we have to get back to 214 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: two percent. He said, sure, we've seen some trends going down, 215 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: but we're not content with that yet. So he said 216 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: that quote, we see the current stance of our policy 217 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: as restrictive, putting downward pressure on economic activity, hiring, and inflation. 218 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: But we can't identify with certainty the neutral rate of interest, 219 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 1: and thus there is always uncertainty about the precise level 220 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: of monetary policy restraint end quote. Hmmm, kind of cryptic. 221 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: Let me break that quote down for you a little bit. So, 222 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: first of all, he said that we see that the 223 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: current stance of policy as restrictive so that's his policy. 224 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: So the policy he's enacting is restrictive. He says, quote 225 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: we see as restrictive putting downward pressure on economic activity, hiring, 226 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: and inflation. So we see current stands of policy, his 227 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: policy that he's enacted being restrictive and putting press down 228 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: pressure on the economy, hiring and inflation. So downward pressure 229 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: on economic activity. Do you own a business, well, he 230 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: is purposely trying to make it hard for your business. 231 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: He's trying to push down economic activity. He doesn't want 232 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: your business to have as many consumers or customers. That's 233 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: his goal. He says that it has downward pressure on hiring, 234 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: so unemployment. They want unemployment to go up, They want 235 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: less people working. Think about that. What he's saying. Our 236 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: current stance of policy, the policy that I, as the 237 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: FED chair, have put in place, is trying to slow 238 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: economic activity and hiring down. We don't want you to 239 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: have a job your job making more money is a 240 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,719 Speaker 1: problem for us. It goes against what I'm trying to 241 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 1: do because I'm trying to bring inflation down to two percent, 242 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: and in order to do that, I need less people working, 243 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: and I need less people making. I need more people 244 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: making less money. How's that? Well, a good thing for 245 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: jern Powace. He doesn't get voted in. We don't vote 246 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: for him. Imagine people voting for someone who's literally trying 247 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: to destroy their businesses and their livelihood. Pretty interesting. And 248 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: then he goes on to say, we can't identify with 249 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: certainty the neutral rate of interest, and thus there's always 250 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: uncertainty about the precise level of monetary policy restraint. We 251 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: can't identify the certainty. Well, there is no such thing 252 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: a certain certainly. You can't control the certainty of the 253 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 1: outcome of the financial system. To think that you can 254 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: just show you that you're an idiot. But what he 255 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: said is that the the precise level or the neutral 256 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: rate of interest. So they're changing again the price of money, 257 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: that's the interest rate, trying to find the neutral rate 258 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: of interest. What the heck is the neutral rate of interest? Well, 259 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: they can't define it with any certainty. But what they're 260 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: trying to define is the rate. Is it four three percent? 261 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: The rate at which monetary policy is neither contradictory nor expansionary. 262 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: So when interest rates get low, the price of money, 263 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: the rate of interest goes low. Money's cheap, so lots 264 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: of people borrow it, so it expands. Expansionary is the 265 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: word you use. But if it's expensive, then less people 266 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: use it, and then it's contractory. So if money is expensive, 267 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: then I don't open up that new office, I don't 268 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: hire more people, I don't bring on new trucks, I 269 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: don't service new clients because the money is too expensive 270 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: for me to do that. So that's that's contracting the economy. 271 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: But if money's too cheap, then I expand. Now I 272 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: would argue that the market's always doing both and for 273 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: them to this point, we cannot identify with certainty the 274 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: neutral rate of interest. Well, of course you can't because 275 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: you don't understand. You don't have enough information. It's not 276 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: just your own power. Anybody who thought they could do 277 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: that would be out of their mind. You don't have 278 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: enough information to manage three hundred and thirty million people 279 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: in the NY State, eight billion people in the world, and 280 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: all they're changing once needs and desires. That's why the 281 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: price of money is not supposed to be set. The 282 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: price of money is set in the free market. You see. 283 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: The way it works is that if I want to 284 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: open up a new office, and I want to get 285 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: new trucks so I can service more customers, and I 286 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: have to go borrow money. I need to know how 287 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: much that money's going to cost me. If it's too expensive, 288 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: I don't take it. If it's too cheap, I do right. 289 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: But the problem is is when that's not found in 290 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: the free market. So the way it works is that 291 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,239 Speaker 1: if a lot of people have a lot of savings, 292 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: then that money is cheap. We have more people with savings, 293 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: more people trying to lend me money, so there's less 294 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: people borrowing, more people trying to lend the price of 295 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: that money goes down. When that money goes cheap, it 296 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: tells me a lot about the economy. It tells me 297 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: that there's customers out there that have money. So I 298 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: borrow the money at this cheap rate because I know 299 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: it's cheap and I know the economy is good. Now. 300 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: The other the flip side is if there's a lot 301 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: of people wanting to borrow and not very many savers 302 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: and lenders, then the price of the money goes very expensive, 303 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: and that tells me that maybe I shouldn't take on 304 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: that loan because the economy is probably bad because there's 305 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: not a lot of extra money in the system, so 306 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: the price of money is supposed to change, Oh, you 307 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: mean mark like all other prices, on supplying demand. Yes, 308 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: on supplying demand, but somehow magically. Jerome Powell is trying 309 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: to come up with the rate of interest, the neutral 310 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: rate of interest, but he can't the personal quotes, so 311 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: he's prepared. He says, quote, we're prepared to raise rates 312 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: further if appropriate, and intend to hold policy at a 313 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: restrictive level until we're confident that inflation is moving sustainably 314 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: down toward our objective. But even then, he said, we'll 315 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: proceed carefully with future rate hikes. So basically it's a 316 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: bunch of wishy washy back and forth. We're pausitive, we 317 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: see some good signs, but we're not sure if we're 318 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: out of the woods yet, so we're gonna kind of 319 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: wait and see. So, in my opinion, if you want 320 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: me to interpret this fed speak, that's what we call 321 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: it FED speak to you, he's playing both sides, leaving 322 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: his options open. But in my opinion, he's setting the 323 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: stage for no more hikes and saying that we might 324 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: only have one or two more and we'll be done. 325 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: That's what I'm thinking, That's what I'm getting out of 326 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:49,719 Speaker 1: this FED Speak. But what do you think i'd love 327 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: to hear from you? Hit me up on social media 328 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: at one Mark Moss and let me know. I'm gonna 329 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: take a very quick break. If you're just tuning to 330 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: listen to the Mark Mass Show, I'll be back with 331 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: more in a minute though, so don't go away. I'll 332 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: be right back, all right, Welcome back. If you're just 333 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: tune in, you're listening to the Mark Mass Show. We're 334 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: talking about the latest breaking news headlines of the week 335 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: to show you that our decentralized revolution thesis is in 336 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: full effect. What's happening, where we're going and what you 337 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 1: should be doing about it. Taking you through the play 338 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: by play so you don't get caught off guard. Now 339 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 1: we talked before the break. I was talking about the 340 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: FED speak and what they're doing to try to control 341 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 1: the market, which is pretty crazy, right. The market is 342 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: a organic organism that's made up of three hundred and 343 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: thirty million people that have all different once changing one's 344 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: needs and desires. Now, what their goal is that that 345 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: they have a central planner that'd be able to essentially 346 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: plan everything, But there's the problem that they don't have 347 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: enough information. Of course, there's the problem the future that 348 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: Klaus Schwab paints in his book. He paints his picture 349 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: of this AI where all of our brains are hooked 350 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: to this AI cloud, and then it can it can 351 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 1: have enough data where it can manage this for us. 352 00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: But the problem I think that never works is that 353 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: we as humans are irrational, and so while an AI 354 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 1: might be able to look at every single decision I've 355 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 1: ever made and map out my next most probable decision 356 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: rationally based off of data, it doesn't take into effect 357 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: into account that humans are irrational. So I always want 358 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: steak every time I go to dinner. I have steak 359 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: all the time. But for some reason, that chicken looked 360 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: really good, and I just feel like having chicken right now. 361 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: I don't know why, just for some reason, I just 362 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: thought I'd have chicken, and so it can't take it 363 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: into account. But where they're trying now other ways they're 364 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 1: trying to control the economy is through well, as I 365 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: said before, changing the price of money, but also by 366 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: changing incentives. And this is what starts to get interesting. 367 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: You see, when a government tries to control an economy 368 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: with or i should say, a complex system with one 369 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: single lever. It leads to other unintended consequences. So what 370 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: am I talking about. Well, the FED has tried to 371 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: slow down inflation by making you broke, and they do 372 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: that by making the price of money very high. So 373 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: when the price of money goes very high right now, 374 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: buying a home is very difficult. As a matter of fact, 375 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 1: buying a price of home depends on where you're at, 376 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 1: but it has gone up by thirty forty percent just 377 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: because of the price of money going up, and so 378 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 1: it's harder. It's harder for people to buy homes. And 379 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: so that is the government policy. They've tried to fix 380 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: a problem from a different cause, but by changing the 381 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: price of money. But then unintended consequences is other people 382 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: go around that. So for example, we saw this week 383 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: that that Zillo, you know, the website that tells you 384 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 1: how much your home is worth, Zilo home Loans, is 385 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 1: now offering a home loan with only a one percent 386 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: down payment option. You see, So the FED wants to 387 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: slow home buying down by making the price of money higher, 388 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: and a company like Zillo just says, well, Okay, well 389 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: what has changed the program? So we'll still make it attractive, 390 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: which is why you can't change a complex system with 391 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: one single thing. It's like your body. Your body's a 392 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: complex system. And so I have let's say I have heartburn. 393 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: So I go to my doctor. Hey, doctor, I have heartburn, 394 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: and he gives me an ant ad, a prescription and tasset. 395 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,880 Speaker 1: But then I have all these different side effects. Right, 396 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: all these medications you see advertised on TV all the time, 397 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 1: they have all these different side effects. So all I 398 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: did was have heartburn. My doctor could have said you 399 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 1: should have a more alkaline diet. That would be easy. 400 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: But it'saad he puts around on a prescription because he's 401 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: trying to affect one thing in a complex system. And 402 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: that's exactly what happened. So Zilla's mortgage arm launched a 403 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: down payment assistance program where the company will cover two 404 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: percent of the borrowers down payment at closing, which would 405 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: allow buyers to pay just one percent up front. Well, 406 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 1: when you make money cheap, when you make it easier 407 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: to buy homes, more people will, that's what they want. 408 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 1: Is just funny because that's not what the government wants. Now, 409 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: this is as of right now, it's only available for 410 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: It's only available and eligible for people in Arizona, which 411 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: I think is pretty interesting. I don't have any I 412 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: don't have any data to tell me why only Arizona. 413 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: Part of what I'm thinking is because maybe they think 414 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: Arizona might be the best real estate market right now. 415 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: I do have some investor friends who are buying department 416 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 1: buildings in the Greater Phoenix area the suburbs of Phoenix, 417 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: because they think it's one of the best markets out there. 418 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: So maybe they're saying, well, we wouldn't want to do 419 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: it in like Seattle or San Francisco, which are two 420 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: of the worst real estate markets in the nation, but 421 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,360 Speaker 1: we feel pretty good about Arizona's will do that. I'm 422 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 1: saying that, I'm guessing at that. I don't have that 423 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: as fact, but basically, what they want to do is 424 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: allow you to take this two percent portion of the 425 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: down payment and pay it and pay it during the closing, 426 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: not as a payment to the borrower. Right now, it's 427 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,439 Speaker 1: only eligible for first time borrowers in Arizona, and the 428 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: option to put a one percent to three percent down 429 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: payment on a home, and then ZILLA will provide the 430 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: rest as a grant. So, for example, let's say that 431 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: you chose a five percent down payment, then they'd cover two. 432 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: You'd have to come up with three something like that. 433 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: A minimum qualifying FICO a credit score of six twenty 434 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: or better, and you have to have income no more 435 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: than eighty percent of the area medium income where the 436 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: property is located. So yeah, there is some qualification that 437 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 1: you have to follow, but the credit score is pretty 438 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: low six twenty and minimum you know, income for the area. 439 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: A home buyer looking to purchase a two and seventy 440 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: five thousand dollar home in Phoenix, Arizona, makes eighty percent 441 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 1: of their AMI and saves five percent of their income 442 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,959 Speaker 1: would need only eleven months to save for the down payment. 443 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: So if you made eighty percent of the area median income, 444 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 1: it should take you and you're only saving five percent 445 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 1: of your income, which by the way, should st save 446 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: way more than that, it would take you eleven months 447 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: to save for the down payment. By comparison to the 448 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: same buyer who needed to save three percent of the 449 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 1: purchase price would be required thirty one months. So they 450 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: take the amount of time you have to say, from 451 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 1: thirty one months all the way down to our eleven 452 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 1: months now. Interesting enough. Presidential candidate RFK Junior came out 453 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: this week and said something very similar, and he proposed 454 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: that if elected president, he would introduce a three percent 455 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 1: mortgage rate for Americans, backed by the government and funded 456 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: two selling of tax rebonds. Well, interesting enough, RFK, the 457 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: government already does that. That's sort of the whole point 458 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: of what Zillo's doing. If you take a three percent 459 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: down payment, they'll cover two of it for you. So 460 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 1: he wants to introduce a three percent mortgage, but we 461 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: already have that. And I hate to tell you, RFK Junior, 462 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 1: but most of the home loans under that are under 463 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:51,199 Speaker 1: jumbo size, are backed by the government already. That's the Fanny, 464 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: the Freddie, the VA. We already have that. So that's 465 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: pretty interesting that he said that. I think it's like 466 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: a last ditch effort to buy votes, and it's pretty sad. 467 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: I've never voted Democrat in my life, but RFK is 468 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: somebody that I could get behind. I think he could 469 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: beat Biden heads up straight up in any election right 470 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: now today, But he seems to be kind of falling behind, 471 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 1: maybe in a little bit of relevance in the polls. 472 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: Maybe this is like a hell Mary last its effort 473 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,239 Speaker 1: for him to buy some votes. I don't really know, 474 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: but we already got that. Now. Another thing that I 475 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: saw this week that really caught me off guard was 476 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: the new quote quote new affordable housing market. Now, we 477 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: saw Lenar Holmes, based out of Florida, selling tiny homes 478 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: in Texas for one hundred and thirty thousand dollars, sparking criticism. 479 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: This is the new affordable housing market. So they are 480 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: literally they built an entire community of tiny homes, tiny homes, 481 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty square foot homes in San Antonio, Texas, 482 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty square feet homes in San Antonio, Texas, 483 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 1: an entire neighborhood of them, and there are one hundred 484 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 1: and thirty thousand dollars. Critics questions question to whether it's enough. 485 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: That's enough? I mean, is that price enough? One hundred 486 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 1: and thirty thousand for a tiny that should be like 487 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,360 Speaker 1: fifty thousand, maybe one hundred and thirty thousand. I mean, wow, 488 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: So that's an affordable home for you. Now. California has 489 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: their own way to deal with the affordable housing crisis. 490 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,919 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, good old Gavin Newsom, he 491 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: signed a bill legislation to increase affordable housing supply in California. 492 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: And you know what their plan was. Their great plan was, 493 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: why don't you just build a new house on a 494 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: second house on your lot. If everyone just were to 495 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: add a second house onto their existing lot, well that 496 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 1: would make it more affordable. And as a matter of fact, 497 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: let's give out grants. We'll give anyone between twenty five 498 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: thousand to forty thousand dollars if they'll build one of 499 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: these houses. So the absurdity of trying to make housing 500 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: affordable by either making it so tiny you can living 501 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,360 Speaker 1: it tiny homes in San Antonio three and fifty square feet, 502 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: or just build a second house on your lot. None 503 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: of those addressed the underlying problem, which is why your 504 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 1: house is so expensive in the first place. If you're 505 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 1: just tuning in, you're listening to the Mark Mass Show 506 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: talking about the decentralized Revolution. I got a lot more 507 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: to cover when I come back. You don't want to 508 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: miss it, so don't go away. I'll be her back, 509 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: all right, welcome back. If you're just tune in, you're 510 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: listening to the Mark Mass Show, We're talking about some 511 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 1: of the latest breaking news headlines of this week so 512 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: you can understand the play by play and what the 513 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: heck is going on with this decentralized revolution that we have. 514 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: And I saw these stories that popped up this week 515 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 1: that really just struck me. Maybe a little bit different 516 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 1: stories than I typically talk about, but I thought very 517 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 1: important and timely to talk about because it really highlights 518 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 1: where we're at right now, and it actually dovetails in 519 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 1: with a story I talked about last week. So what 520 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: am I talking about? Well, a video went viral in 521 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: the last couple of days of a kid in middle school, 522 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: a twelve year old boy in Colorado Springs basically being 523 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: chastised by a school administrator because he had a patch 524 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 1: on his backpack. Now this is significant for any number 525 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: of things. The patch on his backpack was the Gadson flag. 526 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: Now you might know what I'm talking about because last 527 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: week I talked about the Gadson flag specifically, I didn't 528 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,360 Speaker 1: know the story was going to come out. I talked 529 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: about how I typically have a mug. I don't have 530 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: it with me today, but I typically have a mug 531 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: that has the Gadsen flag on there, and I was 532 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 1: also wearing a shirt that had it, and I was 533 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: explaining why I like that and what it means to me, 534 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: and I talked about the history of that. So now 535 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: you are educated more than this school administrator, who obviously 536 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: has no idea what they're talking about. I mean, how 537 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,959 Speaker 1: ignorant are these people running our schools. I mean, if 538 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: this doesn't highlight it, then I don't know what does. 539 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: And so basically, the school administrator sitting down this twelve 540 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: year old kid and his mother and saying that you 541 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: can't have this backpack, this patch on your backpack because 542 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: it represents slavery. Slavery and the slave trade is what 543 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: they said, and that the patch is disruptive to the 544 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: classroom environment. Now, if you listen to my show, or 545 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: if you could just spend a couple seconds on Google, 546 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: you'd find out the truth that the flags has nothing 547 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: to do with slavery. As a matter of fact, the 548 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: gads and flag is the rattlesnake that says, don't tread 549 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: on me. That's the slogan don't tread on me. And 550 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: it originated during the American Revolution. It was at a 551 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: time when America was beating back the British. That's what 552 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: it was for the Americans, was telling the British, hey, 553 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 1: don't tread on me. Had nothing to do with slavery. Now, 554 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: the American Revolution is something that I'm very proud of. 555 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: It's something that I was taught to be proud of. 556 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: It's something I think we should continue to teach people 557 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: to be proud of. And apparently this administrator obviously doesn't 558 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: know anything about it or their life and making it up. 559 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: Why is that? Well, and this is my opinion, so 560 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: let me dive into opinion a little bit here. The 561 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: opinion is that they don't want you to have anything 562 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: that would make you bold or rally people to stand 563 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: up and be an individual. How dare you show something 564 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: that says, don't tread on me. How dare you encourage 565 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,239 Speaker 1: other people to stand up for what they believe? How 566 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: dare you fall in line, be a good student, Listen 567 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,959 Speaker 1: to what you say, repeat back what I ask you, 568 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: and that's it. Don't think on your own, don't ever 569 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: think you could challenge me, and certainly don't be an 570 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: example to get other people to stand up. That's what 571 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: they say. The reason why is because when everybody's been 572 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: forced to live a lie. As soon as one person 573 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: can stand up and burst through the crust of that lie, 574 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: other people are going to want to as well. Look, 575 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: don't want to be told what to do, and that 576 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: don't tread on me. As I gave you the reason 577 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: why I like it so much last week. Is the 578 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: thing that it's the message they don't want. And this 579 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: video that went viral, I think sums it all up. 580 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: There's an article written that said the jocks are going 581 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: to save the republic one defiant grin at a time. 582 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: So if you see this video, you see this little kid, 583 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: twelve yearl good, with this like smug smile on his face. 584 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: And the contrast that you saw between this petty administrator 585 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: and a middle schooler, it couldn't be more opposite, right, 586 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: You see this petty administrator with this like face like 587 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: she just sucked on a limit, and you got this 588 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: boy who's just kind of got this smile on his face. 589 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: And one represents a class of power hungry pta hoa 590 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: president types whose greatest joy in life is just to 591 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: use any type of power they can get to tell 592 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: you what to do right, whether in your neighborhood or 593 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: your school, whether it's the airline. You know, they used 594 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: to be customer service on the plane. Now they just 595 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: want to enforce rules any type of power they can get. 596 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: They like that that represents one side, right because no 597 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: one else in their lives are probably going to listen 598 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: to them. These are the types of people who would 599 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: track you down in a grocery store, you know, during 600 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: the pandemic, and tell you need to put on a 601 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: face covering. Now. Unfortunately, and not to make this sexist, 602 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: but women typically are overwhelmingly the numbers that are in 603 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: jobs like HR, administrative services, education, community service, social work 604 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: sectors with higher rates of things like that. Stereotypically, males 605 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: move into stem science technology things like that, women sort 606 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: of move into those roles now because of that, Now 607 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: you might have noticed that they have to then enforce 608 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,080 Speaker 1: these petty rules. Maybe they want to, maybe they're forced to, 609 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: but either way, they're enforcing these petty rules. Stand in line, 610 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: don't ask questions, don't put a flag on your back, 611 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: even though it doesn't mean what I say it means. Now, 612 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: we also see statistically that young men have a greater 613 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: tendency to challenge those rules. We see that what we're 614 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 1: seeing through lots of polls is that males are now 615 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: starting to lean much more conservative. According to the Federal 616 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: Monitor the Future Survey of twelfth grade boys are nearly 617 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: twice as likely to identify as conservatives versus liberal. Among 618 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: senior girls, the trend was actually the opposite. So why 619 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: are young boys being turned off by left wing ideology? 620 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: Could it be that they're sick of being told that 621 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: their masculinity is oppressive and evil, that women actually run 622 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: the world, that the best boys are actually girls. Are 623 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: they maybe getting sick of having their thoughts and actions 624 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: dictated by babysitters in middle management. Well, there's a school 625 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: in Florida was making headlines. They're saying that Ron DeSantis 626 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: is leading the charge over there, and they had a 627 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: headline that says gender studies are out and jocks are in. 628 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: Male toxic masculinity seems to be coming back. Now there's 629 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,280 Speaker 1: a TikToker that made a lot of noise ms petch 630 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: and she bemoaned how as a liberal woman, is it 631 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: really hard to find a man who's willing to play 632 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:31,320 Speaker 1: the more traditional masculine role in the relationship in today's 633 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,240 Speaker 1: day and age who's not a conservative? So she's asking 634 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: why is it that I can't find someone to be 635 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:43,919 Speaker 1: a traditional masculine role model as a liberal. That's because 636 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: the answer is because they're not. They're conservative. And I 637 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: don't really like these labels. I don't like to use that, 638 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 1: but that is the world that we're seeing. And now 639 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: let me just be clear, we also need very gutsy 640 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: women too. Now. Shout out to my wife. She is 641 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: she will go to war on anybody trying to impose 642 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 1: on our kids like this. And we need more mothers 643 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: like this kid's mom as well, who sat there in 644 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: the room with this teacher and challenged her and said, look, 645 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 1: you don't know what you're talking about. You don't even 646 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,320 Speaker 1: know what the flag is. The flag is not about slavery. 647 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: The flag is about the British and the Revolutionary War. 648 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: We need more mothers like that as well. Now we're 649 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,919 Speaker 1: starting to see this seep into greater culture. We saw 650 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,280 Speaker 1: this week that CNN just had their third president hired 651 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: in just the last eighteen months, and we're starting to 652 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: see the same thing now. One thing that I think 653 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: how this dovetails in is that we saw that the 654 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: CNN president or the head of the new network now 655 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: was purchased by David Zaslov. He also owns Discovery, HBO, 656 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: Warner Brothers. And he said that we face pressure from 657 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 1: every direction, structural, political, cultural, and you name it. He 658 00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 1: said that, he said that their news outlet is approaching 659 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:05,359 Speaker 1: peak disruption, and these are why why are they as 660 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 1: a company facing structural changes and cultural changes? We know 661 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: that we talked about the culture right with the difference 662 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 1: of the men and the women, the difference of the 663 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: administrators versus the real people. But why political? Why political? Well, 664 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,879 Speaker 1: there's a question that you should be asking ourselves. These 665 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 1: are the signs that show where the world is going 666 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: as we continue to break apart. And you know it's 667 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: a structural change as well. Like I said that they're 668 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: approaching peak disruption, it's always technology that changes the world. 669 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: We no longer need to be on a network that 670 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: feeds us linear content time after time, and so technology 671 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: has changed the world. If you're just tuning in listening 672 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 1: to the Mark Maus Show, I've been talking about the 673 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,280 Speaker 1: decentralized revolution, running you through the latest breaking news headlines 674 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,279 Speaker 1: of the week, keeping you up the date so you 675 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:54,800 Speaker 1: know what's going on and what to do about it. 676 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 1: That's what I got, Thanks so much for listening,