WEBVTT - Where is all the missing matter?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Daniel, I think we've been using too much toilet humor.

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<v Speaker 2>You mean, all those obvious dark matter jokes we make.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, I'm sure it makes all the nine

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<v Speaker 1>year old to google in the audience. But I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think we want to undercut our educational message.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, that's a good point. Let's try that. All right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, so what are we talking about today today?

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking about hot gas.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that didn't last very long. Hi. I am joeham Mack,

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<v Speaker 1>cartoonists and the author of Oliver's Great Big Universe. Hi.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Daniel. I'm a particle physicist and a professor at

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<v Speaker 2>UC Irvine, and I'm often full of hot air.

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<v Speaker 1>Are an all physicists full of hot air?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just talking about the weather here in southern California.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what you mean.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean the weather is inside of you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm breathing in the atmosphere literally.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess if you were breathing out cold there, that

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<v Speaker 1>would be bad news, because we all know physicists aren't

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<v Speaker 1>very cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to make physics hot, is what I'm doing.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyways, welcome to our podcast. Daniel and Jorge explain

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<v Speaker 1>the Universe, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>In which we try to marinate in all of the

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<v Speaker 2>wonders and mysteries of the universe. We think that everything

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<v Speaker 2>that's out there should make sense to you, can make

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<v Speaker 2>sense to you, will make sense to you if you

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<v Speaker 2>just think about it, ask enough questions and listen to

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<v Speaker 2>this podcast long enough.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why we try to breathe in the universe and

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<v Speaker 1>breathe it out and think about all of the hot

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<v Speaker 1>and cold stuff out there in the universe, even the

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<v Speaker 1>things in toilets.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought we're avoiding the toilet jokes.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that was in the joke. I mean, there is

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<v Speaker 1>physics in toilets, isn't there.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true. You once challenged our listeners to record their

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<v Speaker 2>toilet spinning to see if they flush differently in Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh did they do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't gotten any didy yet, so we're still waiting

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<v Speaker 2>for the rest to those experiments. But that is serious

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<v Speaker 2>toilet science.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>But in the non toilet realm of the universe, we

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<v Speaker 2>are very curious about how everything works out there, and

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<v Speaker 2>more specifically, what's out there and where is it all?

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<v Speaker 2>Can we figure out what in the end the universe

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<v Speaker 2>is made out of and where it's all distributed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because that is a fundamental human quest to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out what's going on out there. What is this universe

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<v Speaker 1>we're in, what's in it? Who else is in it?

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<v Speaker 1>And what is it made out of?

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<v Speaker 2>And where have they been dropping all their trash?

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<v Speaker 1>Wait?

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<v Speaker 2>What well you mentioned who else is in it? Makes

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<v Speaker 2>it sound like, you know, we're trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 2>where all their stuff is, Like did they lose their keys?

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<v Speaker 2>Where did that box go? This kind of stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>I was just wondering, you know, so we could say, hi,

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<v Speaker 1>not find their keys.

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<v Speaker 2>The first thing we want to do when we talk

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<v Speaker 2>to the aliens is ask them where they left their stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this your trash? Did you leave this over here?

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<v Speaker 2>Please pick that up?

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<v Speaker 1>Although if they leave their keys to their spaceship line around,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not really going to return that one. No one's

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<v Speaker 1>staying with me.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. On this podcast, we are often talking about one

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<v Speaker 2>of the deepest mysteries in modern physics, which is where

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<v Speaker 2>the dark matter is. We know that most of the

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<v Speaker 2>stuff in the universe is an invisible kind of matter

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<v Speaker 2>We've only recently discovered and have very little concrete information

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<v Speaker 2>about what it is. So we're used to the concept

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<v Speaker 2>of not understanding everything that's out there in the universe.

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<v Speaker 2>But it might surprise you to learn that even the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff that we're used to, the hydrogen, the helium,

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of matter where made out of, is still

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<v Speaker 2>something of a mystery.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait what so then, how do we know how much

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<v Speaker 1>of it there is out there?

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<v Speaker 2>We have a bunch of really clever ways of figuring

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<v Speaker 2>out how much normal matter there should be out there

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<v Speaker 2>in the universe, but it's tricky to actually find all

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<v Speaker 2>of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I see, we know how much of there should be,

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<v Speaker 1>but we just haven't found it.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that what you're saying, that's basically it episode done?

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, thank you for joining us. I can

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<v Speaker 1>go do something else now.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, maybe the aliens have stolen all that missing matter.

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<v Speaker 1>WHOA, that's a pretty serious allegation or just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>impugning the goodwill of the aliens and their legality.

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<v Speaker 2>Well maybe instead of making a big mess, they've been

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit too aggressive about cleaning up after themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's the physicist mmm who stole all the matter

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<v Speaker 1>on the planet Earth with the wrench.

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<v Speaker 2>In the end, it's not about understanding the universe. It's

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<v Speaker 2>about figuring out who to blame for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Or who do thank for it? Right? Also, right, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it's good that we live in this universe. I would

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<v Speaker 1>think so. But anyways, it is a big question about

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<v Speaker 1>where all the matter in the universe is that we

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<v Speaker 1>think should be there, and where it all went. So

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<v Speaker 1>today end the podcast, we'll be asking the question where

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<v Speaker 1>is all the missing matter? I guess this is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a surprising question because because I didn't know there

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<v Speaker 1>was missing matter? Did this happen recently or a long

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<v Speaker 1>time ago?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you're making it sound like an Agatha Christie novel,

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<v Speaker 2>like the Case of the Missing Matter, Like we put

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<v Speaker 2>all this hydrogen over here and we came back and

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<v Speaker 2>it was gone.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, there was a blackout, the lights went out,

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<v Speaker 1>there were some screens, and suddenly there was a missing

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<v Speaker 1>matter and we're all trapped on an island with a

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<v Speaker 1>limited number of suspects.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. No, it's been a long standing mystery. It's

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<v Speaker 2>gotten a little bit less play and a less attention

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<v Speaker 2>than the grander mystery of dark matter, but it's still

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<v Speaker 2>a very important question in understanding how galaxies form and

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<v Speaker 2>how the universe looks the way that it does, and

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<v Speaker 2>where all this stuff is.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you're saying that this is actually called, or it's

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<v Speaker 1>called physics, the missing baryon problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right, because the kind of matter that we

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<v Speaker 2>are made out of is made of protons and neutrons,

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<v Speaker 2>and those are things called baryons. A baryon is anything

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<v Speaker 2>made out of three quarks, and protons and neutrons are

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<v Speaker 2>made out of three quarks. So the kind of matter

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<v Speaker 2>that we are made out of, me and you, and

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<v Speaker 2>stars and galaxies and all the dust, all the visible

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<v Speaker 2>matter that's out there, we call that baryonic matter. And

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<v Speaker 2>so scientists have been trying to understand, like, where are

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<v Speaker 2>all the baryons in the universe? Are there as many

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<v Speaker 2>as we think there should be, And when they couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>find them, they call it the missing baryon problem.

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<v Speaker 1>M sounds very mysterious, and you also kind of make

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<v Speaker 1>it sound like it's somebody else's problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, it's all about pre assignment to blame, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, Like if you say like, yeah, it's a problem,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're basically saying it's somebody else's problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Mistakes were made, right.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, Yeah, things went missing.

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<v Speaker 2>Grand funding misallocated, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>So as usual, we were wondering how many people out

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<v Speaker 1>there knew or know that there is missing baryonic matter

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<v Speaker 1>out there in the universe.

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<v Speaker 2>So thanks very much to everybody who participates in this

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<v Speaker 2>segment of the podcast. We would love to hear your

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<v Speaker 2>voice among the coorse of listeners, so please don't be

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<v Speaker 2>shy write to me to questions at Danielandjorge dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>So think about it for a second. Do you know

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<v Speaker 1>where the missing baryonic matter in the universe could be?

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<v Speaker 1>What is the missing baryon problem?

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<v Speaker 3>I have never heard of the missing baryon problem, but

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<v Speaker 3>it might be something like the way that we had

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<v Speaker 3>predicted that the Higgs boson exists and we hadn't experimentally

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<v Speaker 3>verified it. So maybe there is a baryon, some form

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<v Speaker 3>of Bearyon particle that we mathematically know must exist, but

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<v Speaker 3>have it found.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what the missing baryon is, but I

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<v Speaker 1>hope someone finds it.

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<v Speaker 4>This is the term I've actually heard of before, if

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<v Speaker 4>I remember correctly. It has to do with the fact

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<v Speaker 4>that there is unexplained difference between the matter that existed

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<v Speaker 4>right after the Big Bang and the matter that exists today.

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<v Speaker 5>The baryon sounds like some sort of barrier to a atom,

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<v Speaker 5>So I suppose if it's missing, then it would be

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<v Speaker 5>some sort of other force that we cannot explain, that

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<v Speaker 5>it is holding something like an atom together.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, or interviews here didn't give us a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of clues.

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<v Speaker 2>This has not gotten a lot of press compared to

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<v Speaker 2>dark matter, out of which they've been like dozens and

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<v Speaker 2>dozens of books written, and it's all sorts of podcasts.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever it's name is problem in physics, but the missing

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<v Speaker 2>baryon problem is sort of like its second cousin that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't get top building.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like maybe it's a branding problem, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like dark matter. Where's the dark matter in the universe?

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds mysterious and intriguing. Where's the baryonic matter in

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<v Speaker 1>the universe. It's like, I'm not a fan of Barry.

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<v Speaker 2>What they should have called it the dark baryons or something.

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<v Speaker 1>M yeah, or some other name, right, shining matter, super matter.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, dark means a lot of different things.

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<v Speaker 2>As you know, dark can mean mysterious, unknown, not yet understood.

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<v Speaker 2>It can mean literally dark light does not emit light.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's confusing because there are things out there that

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<v Speaker 2>are dark and are made of matter, but are not

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<v Speaker 2>dark matter, right, Like a lump of charcoal is pretty dark,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's not dark matter.

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<v Speaker 1>You might think that physicists name thinks, very confusingly.

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<v Speaker 2>The missing Physics name committee.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a bunch of matter that's missing that we

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<v Speaker 1>think should be there, but it's missing. That's what we'll

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<v Speaker 1>be talking about here today. And so let's break it down, Daniel.

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<v Speaker 1>What is baryonic matter?

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<v Speaker 2>So baryonic matter is our kind of matter, hydrogen, helium,

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<v Speaker 2>all of the elements are built out of baryons, because again,

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<v Speaker 2>a baryon is a particle made of three quarks. Number.

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<v Speaker 2>Quarks are these little particles that we think are probably fundamental,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe fundamental, but they interact with the strong nuclear force.

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<v Speaker 2>And the way they form stable objects is either you

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<v Speaker 2>get a pair of quarks like quark antiquark that can

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<v Speaker 2>make a pion, or you can get three of them

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<v Speaker 2>together to cancel out a red quark, a green cork,

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<v Speaker 2>and a blue quark, and that gives you a color

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<v Speaker 2>neutral object like a proton or a neutron that has

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<v Speaker 2>no overall strong force.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So a baryotic matter is matter made out of

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<v Speaker 1>quarks basically, right, that's the basic definition of it, like

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<v Speaker 1>the things that we're made out of, which are protons

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<v Speaker 1>and neutrons. But it sounds like there are other things

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<v Speaker 1>besides protons and neutrons you can make out of quarks.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you can make all kinds of things out of quarks.

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<v Speaker 2>You can make other hadrons. There's other combinations of quarks

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<v Speaker 2>that you can use to make other hadrons, like you

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<v Speaker 2>put three strange quarks together, or you can make an

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<v Speaker 2>up and down and a strange etc. There's lots of

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<v Speaker 2>different baryons you can make out of three quarks. You

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<v Speaker 2>can also make combinations out of pairs of quarks. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a huge zoo of particles made out of quark pairs.

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<v Speaker 2>The only stable one is the proton. The proton by

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<v Speaker 2>itself we think will last for a long long time,

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<v Speaker 2>and the neutron is stable when combined with the proton

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<v Speaker 2>inside of nucleus. So that's why protons and neutrons are

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<v Speaker 2>the most common kind of baryon out there.

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<v Speaker 1>So today we're talking about which kind specifically all of

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<v Speaker 1>them or mostly protons and neutrons.

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<v Speaker 2>Mostly protons and neutrons, because that's what we expect the

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<v Speaker 2>baryons out there to be made out of. If you

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<v Speaker 2>have other baryons out there, they typically decay down to

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<v Speaker 2>protons and neutrons. Really, though, we're trying to account for

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<v Speaker 2>all the quarks. In the end, we don't really care

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<v Speaker 2>if they're in protons or in neutrons, or in helium

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<v Speaker 2>or in hydrogen. We just want to know how much

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<v Speaker 2>of our kind of matter, quark based matter, is there,

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<v Speaker 2>and how much of the other stuff is there, and

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<v Speaker 2>can we figure out where all the quarks.

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<v Speaker 1>Went saying baryon matter, barry on which kind of matter

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<v Speaker 1>it settles in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right, And it's a fascinating situation to be

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<v Speaker 2>in because we have all these really clever ways of

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<v Speaker 2>knowing how many quarks there should be in the universe.

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<v Speaker 2>That seems sort of crazy, like, how could you possibly

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<v Speaker 2>have an idea of how many quarks they're on the universe.

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<v Speaker 2>They're here, they're there, they're everywhere. How could you possibly

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<v Speaker 2>count them?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean that's kind of basically what you're asking, right,

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<v Speaker 1>is you're asking where are all the quarks in the universe?

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<v Speaker 2>Right, exactly. We are asking that, but we're asking in

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<v Speaker 2>two ways. One way is using information from the very

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<v Speaker 2>early universe, which tells us how many quarks there should be,

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<v Speaker 2>and then another way is more direct, is going out

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<v Speaker 2>there and actually looking for them and saying, can we

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<v Speaker 2>find all the quarks that our early universe theories predict

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<v Speaker 2>are out there? And that's where the discrepancy comes from.

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<v Speaker 1>Hmmm, So I think you're saying that we could have

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<v Speaker 1>just titled the episode where are all the Missing quarks?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, where are all the missing quarks? Exactly? But in

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<v Speaker 2>physics it's called the missing barrier problem, and it makes

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<v Speaker 2>up the kind of matter that we're familiar with. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>we think that dark matter is not made of quarks,

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<v Speaker 2>that's made of something else entirely. So this little sliver

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<v Speaker 2>of the universe that we think is about five percent

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<v Speaker 2>of all the energy density of the universe, baryonic matter

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<v Speaker 2>stuff made out of quarks. That's the thing we're still

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<v Speaker 2>trying to understand after all these years.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there an important distinction between asking where all the

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<v Speaker 1>baryonic matter is and asking where all the quarks are? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>are there quarks that are not in baryonic matter? Or

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<v Speaker 1>is it all the same term.

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<v Speaker 2>There are no quarks that are not in some kind

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<v Speaker 2>of particle because quarks can't be by themselves, so they

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<v Speaker 2>always form either masons, which are quark quark pairs, or baryons,

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<v Speaker 2>which are triplets of quarks. Baryonic matter technically probably also

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<v Speaker 2>includes the electrons. So if you have, for example, a

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<v Speaker 2>hydrogen atom that's a proton and an electron that you

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<v Speaker 2>could call baryonic matter because it's based on the baryon

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<v Speaker 2>the proton, that technically includes the electron. So baryonic matter

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<v Speaker 2>is probably more accurate description because it includes the electrons.

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<v Speaker 2>Also they bind with the protons.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, so what there's electrons missing too?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, electrons are part of the five percent of the

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<v Speaker 2>universe made out of normal matter, basically quarks and leptons.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so then there's a certain amount of quarks and

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<v Speaker 1>electrons in the universe that we think should be there.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're saying, we have an idea of how much

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<v Speaker 1>there should be there based on our measurements of the

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<v Speaker 1>origin of the universe.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we have all these really clever ways of looking

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<v Speaker 2>at details from their early universe and using that to

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<v Speaker 2>figure out essentially how many quarks there should be today.

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<v Speaker 2>In order to build stuff up, we should be able

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<v Speaker 2>to predict how much hydrogen and how much helium and

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<v Speaker 2>all sorts of stuff there are from our pictures of

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<v Speaker 2>the early universe. And there's two totally separate ways to

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<v Speaker 2>predict how much baryonic matter there should be left over today.

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<v Speaker 2>One of them comes from the cosmic microwave background radiation,

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<v Speaker 2>this very early light from about three hundred and eighty

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<v Speaker 2>thousand years after the Big Bang, and another comes from

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<v Speaker 2>the ratio of the elements, how much hydrogen, how much helium,

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<v Speaker 2>how much detery there is in the universe. Both of

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<v Speaker 2>those are very sensitive to the quark density in the

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<v Speaker 2>early universe and so can tell us how many quarks

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<v Speaker 2>there should be.

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<v Speaker 1>Meaning like, we maybe start with a guess and see

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<v Speaker 1>if that makes the universe make sense as we see

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<v Speaker 1>it today, and then you adjust that until you get

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<v Speaker 1>an amount that do you think makes what we see

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<v Speaker 1>in the cosmic microwave background and in the amount of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff we see makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know that we have to start with

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<v Speaker 2>a guess. It's more like there's information in the cosmic

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<v Speaker 2>microwave background radiation that tells us exactly how many baryons

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<v Speaker 2>there should be. And also by measuring the ratios of

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<v Speaker 2>the elements how much hydrogen, how much helium, we can

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<v Speaker 2>use that to make a calculation of how many baryons

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<v Speaker 2>there should be, so we don't have to guess. We

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<v Speaker 2>can just like extract it directly from these measurements.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, maybe break it down for people. How does the

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<v Speaker 1>ratio of hydrogen and helium tells how many quarts the

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<v Speaker 1>universe started with?

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<v Speaker 2>So in the very early universe, things were super duper

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<v Speaker 2>dense and hot, right, the basic story of the universe,

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<v Speaker 2>things were very very hot and dense. We don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how we got to that state, that's sort of a

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<v Speaker 2>big question mark, but we're very certain that things were

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<v Speaker 2>very hot and dense and very compressed. And then the

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<v Speaker 2>universe expanded, and as it expands, it cools. So you

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<v Speaker 2>start out with like crazy high energy, and then things

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<v Speaker 2>cool further and those quarks form protons and neutrons, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>And then as things cool even further, those protons and

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<v Speaker 2>neutrons start to form bonds, so you make for example, deuterium,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a combination of protons and neutrons the deuterium

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<v Speaker 2>can then fuse into helium. So what's happening is the

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<v Speaker 2>universe is cooling and things are sort of like settling

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<v Speaker 2>into place. You're like baking bits and pieces of the universe.

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<v Speaker 2>After about twenty minutes, things are then too cold to

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<v Speaker 2>make any more helium or make any more deuterium, so

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<v Speaker 2>you sort of ran out of time to make deterium.

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<v Speaker 2>So in the very early universe you had this little

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<v Speaker 2>window to make deterium and to make helium, and the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of everything is just hydrogen. And the amount of

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<v Speaker 2>deuterium and helium you get depends very very sensitively on

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<v Speaker 2>the density of quarks, Like you have more we're exploding

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<v Speaker 2>around in that window, you get more deterium, you have

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<v Speaker 2>fewer quarks, you get less deterium. So if you measure

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<v Speaker 2>the hydrogen deterium helium ratios, now you can tell the

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<v Speaker 2>quark density back in that first little window in the

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<v Speaker 2>first twenty minutes of the universe.

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<v Speaker 1>And how do you measure that ratio right now? Like

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<v Speaker 1>we can we go out there into space and gather

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<v Speaker 1>hydrogen and helium. How do we determine it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you can actually just fill up a glass of

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<v Speaker 2>water from your tap, because one out of like every

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<v Speaker 2>six thousand atoms of hydrogen is actually an isotope of

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<v Speaker 2>hydrogen called deuterium, has a little neutron stuck to it,

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<v Speaker 2>and that deuterium is pretty stable. So the amount we

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<v Speaker 2>made back then is still the amount we make now.

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<v Speaker 2>There's like basically no other natural, significant sources of deuterium,

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<v Speaker 2>So the universe is kind of like locked into this

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<v Speaker 2>deterium ratio. When you fill a glass of water at

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<v Speaker 2>the tap, one out of six thousand atoms of those

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<v Speaker 2>waters has a hydrogen in it that's actually deuterium. How

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<v Speaker 2>do you measure that? You can just put it through

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<v Speaker 2>like a mass spectrometer to measure the weight of the

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<v Speaker 2>at and you'll see this little peak of some water

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<v Speaker 2>that's a little heavier.

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<v Speaker 1>But how do I know that's just not the water

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<v Speaker 1>in my town that has that level of deuterium, or

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<v Speaker 1>even like in our solar system or even galactic neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you do you extrapolate my tap water to

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<v Speaker 1>the entire universe?

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<v Speaker 2>You're right, You've unraveled this entire science. No, we obviously

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<v Speaker 2>don't just base it on the top water in your

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<v Speaker 2>house or in anybody else's house. We make measurements all

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<v Speaker 2>over the place. We can make measurements in the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the Solar system by looking at like vibrational modes,

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<v Speaker 2>because deuterium has slightly different energy levels than normal hydrogen,

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<v Speaker 2>so you can see evidence for this all over the universe.

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<v Speaker 2>And so we see a pretty well known mixture of

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<v Speaker 2>deuterium inside hydrogen.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So then that tell us how much quark

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<v Speaker 1>matter there should be in the universe, and how much

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<v Speaker 1>is that amount?

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<v Speaker 2>That's about five percent of the energy density of the universe.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is a number that's easy to misunderstand. What

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<v Speaker 2>we mean by that is like, take a big chunk

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<v Speaker 2>of the universe, like a cubic light year, and out

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<v Speaker 2>of all the energy inside of it, all the photons,

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<v Speaker 2>all the dark matter, all the normal matter, all the

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<v Speaker 2>dark energy, all of that stuff, and the normal matter

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<v Speaker 2>should account for five percent of the energy density of

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<v Speaker 2>that chunk. So we're not saying anything about the size

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<v Speaker 2>of the universe or the total number. We're just saying, like,

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<v Speaker 2>what's the ratio five percent of all the energy in

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<v Speaker 2>any given chunk of space should be due to buryonic matter.

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<v Speaker 1>According to what we know of the Big Bang and

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<v Speaker 1>the cosmic microwave background. But it seems that some of

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<v Speaker 1>that matter is missing. Somebody took it or destroyed it,

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<v Speaker 1>or I don't know, hate it. And so let's get

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<v Speaker 1>into that mystery and who we can blame for that

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<v Speaker 1>in more detail. But first let's take a quick break.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we're talking about some missing matter in the universe.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a certain amount of quark matter in the universe

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<v Speaker 1>that we think should be there. Five percent of the

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<v Speaker 1>energy and matter in the universe should be quark matter.

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<v Speaker 1>But Daniel, it sounds like that's not what we're seeing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right. We have not yet figured out where

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<v Speaker 2>that five percent of matter is. And if you're skeptical

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<v Speaker 2>about that five percent calculation, know that we have other

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<v Speaker 2>ways to calculate this number that are totally independent. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>The description we gave you about the deterium fraction of

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<v Speaker 2>the universe, that's called Big Bang nucleosynthesis. It's understanding how

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<v Speaker 2>much of various elements were made in the very early universe.

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<v Speaker 2>We have other measurements from the cosmic microwave background radiation

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<v Speaker 2>which come from much later in the universe, like three

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and eighty thousand years that are completely independent, totally

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<v Speaker 2>separate measurements. There, we see the early universe plasma sloshing

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<v Speaker 2>around in a way that's sensitive to the number of

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<v Speaker 2>baryons and the amount of dark matter and the number

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<v Speaker 2>of photons. And that's a very very precise measurement, much

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<v Speaker 2>more precise even than the Big Bang nucleosynthesis, and it degrees.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about five percent of the energy density should be baryons.

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<v Speaker 1>But I wonder are they really that independent? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>don't they both depend on our model of the universe

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<v Speaker 1>and or at least our model of the Big Bang.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, yeah, there are a lot of assumptions in common,

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<v Speaker 2>but there are independent measurements. Like they have different sources.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, one is measuring the fraction of deterium in

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<v Speaker 2>the universe. The other one is like looking at these

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<v Speaker 2>very cold photons in the night sky. They also come

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<v Speaker 2>from a different age in the universe. So they're absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>they're not completely independent, but they're very useful cross checks. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>we would be surprised and confused if those two numbers

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<v Speaker 2>didn't agree with each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, all right, So then those measurements are telling us

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<v Speaker 1>there's missing matter, how much quark matter in the universe

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<v Speaker 1>is missing, so like most of it, five percent of

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<v Speaker 1>the universe is missing.

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<v Speaker 2>More like eighty percent of the universe. If you look

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<v Speaker 2>around for quark matter, you can find loss of it. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I'm made a cork matter, You're made of cork matter, right,

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<v Speaker 2>your lunch is made of cork matter. The Earth, the

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<v Speaker 2>Sun is made out of quark matter. All this stuff

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<v Speaker 2>is pretty easy out of all the galaxies and the

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<v Speaker 2>stars and the gas that glows in the universe, and

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<v Speaker 2>then add the harder bits. Right, Some of the stuff

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<v Speaker 2>that's out there in the universe, like we were talking

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<v Speaker 2>about earlier, is matter that is dark, but it's not

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<v Speaker 2>dark matter. You know, things like black holes or things

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<v Speaker 2>like big massive planets that are not glowing. These things

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<v Speaker 2>are harder to spot and harder to account for. But

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<v Speaker 2>people have done a sort of census of all of

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff. Where is all the stuff that we know about,

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<v Speaker 2>how much is there, and how does it add up?

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<v Speaker 2>And together it comes to, you know, about fifteen twenty

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<v Speaker 2>percent of what we.

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<v Speaker 1>Expect, fifteen to twenty percent of the five percent that

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<v Speaker 1>we think should be there.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm exactly. So most of the buryonic matter in

0:21:34.359 --> 0:21:36.520
<v Speaker 2>the universe is not in the stars and in the

0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:39.399
<v Speaker 2>galaxies and in the gas, or in black holes, or

0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:42.000
<v Speaker 2>in planets, or we think in big chunks of rock

0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:44.479
<v Speaker 2>floating out there in the universe. And again we're not

0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:46.879
<v Speaker 2>talking about dark matter, right. We know dark matter is

0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:49.560
<v Speaker 2>out there and it's another mysterious thing. We're just talking

0:21:49.560 --> 0:21:52.040
<v Speaker 2>about the missing quarks. We just can't find as many

0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:53.280
<v Speaker 2>quarks as we expect.

0:21:54.840 --> 0:21:56.679
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if then you just need to lure your

0:21:56.720 --> 0:22:03.200
<v Speaker 1>expectations anyway, like mactation is wrong. Maybe that's the real problem.

0:22:03.560 --> 0:22:06.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but we have these two fairly independent measurements that

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<v Speaker 2>tell us that the universe should be five percent. And

0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:12.080
<v Speaker 2>this all fits in very nicely with our model of

0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:15.200
<v Speaker 2>the universe, how it expands and how structure has formed.

0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:18.480
<v Speaker 2>We have all these ideas for how the universe comes

0:22:18.480 --> 0:22:21.240
<v Speaker 2>together from the hot gas to forming these very cold

0:22:21.320 --> 0:22:24.360
<v Speaker 2>galaxies later on, and all these things are very sensitive

0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:27.879
<v Speaker 2>to the dark energy, dark matter, and normal matter fraction

0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:30.800
<v Speaker 2>of the universe. So it's the number we feel pretty

0:22:30.800 --> 0:22:34.080
<v Speaker 2>confident in five percent, and it gives us enough confidence

0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:35.919
<v Speaker 2>that we want to go out there and look for

0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:38.600
<v Speaker 2>these missing burials. We're pretty sure they exist, we just

0:22:38.720 --> 0:22:39.760
<v Speaker 2>hadn't seen them yet.

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<v Speaker 1>We Well, just so you know, that is an option

0:22:42.200 --> 0:22:45.400
<v Speaker 1>in life. You can just lower your expectations and then

0:22:45.440 --> 0:22:46.360
<v Speaker 1>you can take a vacationion.

0:22:46.400 --> 0:22:48.159
<v Speaker 2>Well, I want to encourage all of our listeners in

0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:51.480
<v Speaker 2>the opposite direction to keep pushing forward until your questions

0:22:51.520 --> 0:22:52.879
<v Speaker 2>are answered. Don't give up.

0:22:52.920 --> 0:22:54.800
<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, let's keep going then. So, there is

0:22:55.000 --> 0:22:57.479
<v Speaker 1>a certain amount of cork matter in universe we think

0:22:57.520 --> 0:23:00.560
<v Speaker 1>should be there, but we can't seem to for it.

0:23:00.600 --> 0:23:02.560
<v Speaker 1>Like we do some accounting of what we can see

0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:04.880
<v Speaker 1>and what we think is there, and it's not enough

0:23:04.960 --> 0:23:06.520
<v Speaker 1>to where could it be and how are we going

0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:07.040
<v Speaker 1>to find it?

0:23:07.080 --> 0:23:10.520
<v Speaker 2>So one obvious place to look is between the galaxies.

0:23:11.080 --> 0:23:13.560
<v Speaker 2>Like we know there's a lot of quark matter in galaxies.

0:23:13.600 --> 0:23:15.960
<v Speaker 2>We can see it. There's gas, this dust, is stars,

0:23:16.040 --> 0:23:17.959
<v Speaker 2>is all that stuff. But we also know that there

0:23:17.960 --> 0:23:20.879
<v Speaker 2>should be a lot of matter between the galaxies, that

0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:24.120
<v Speaker 2>there should be these huge filaments of gas and dark

0:23:24.200 --> 0:23:27.439
<v Speaker 2>matter as well between the galaxies. Because remember, the universe

0:23:27.520 --> 0:23:29.880
<v Speaker 2>is not just like all these little dots of stars

0:23:29.920 --> 0:23:33.600
<v Speaker 2>and dots of galaxies. It's more like a big cosmic web.

0:23:34.240 --> 0:23:36.840
<v Speaker 2>Because as the universe cooled down. It was this hot,

0:23:36.920 --> 0:23:40.440
<v Speaker 2>dense plasma. You have these little dense spots that gather

0:23:40.600 --> 0:23:43.960
<v Speaker 2>together more stuff. The universe is expanding, and then those

0:23:43.960 --> 0:23:47.240
<v Speaker 2>dense spots see the formation of structure, right, they see

0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:50.560
<v Speaker 2>those galaxies, but they don't become isolated. You still have

0:23:50.600 --> 0:23:53.400
<v Speaker 2>these strands between them. And so the place to look,

0:23:53.480 --> 0:23:56.399
<v Speaker 2>the place that our simulations predict there should be a

0:23:56.480 --> 0:23:58.919
<v Speaker 2>lot of quark matter that's sort of hard to spot

0:23:59.080 --> 0:24:00.200
<v Speaker 2>is between the gas.

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<v Speaker 1>Galaxies because they can't be in the galaxies. Because you

0:24:04.359 --> 0:24:06.400
<v Speaker 1>think you can see everything in a galaxy.

0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:08.600
<v Speaker 2>We think we know how much matter there is in

0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:11.679
<v Speaker 2>a galaxy. Yeah, we can see all the luminous stuff

0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:14.679
<v Speaker 2>that's there, all the gas, and all the stars and

0:24:14.720 --> 0:24:17.040
<v Speaker 2>the dark matter, and the motion of those stars tells

0:24:17.080 --> 0:24:21.359
<v Speaker 2>us a lot about the gravitational profile of the galaxy. Remember,

0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:24.840
<v Speaker 2>as the galaxy spins, we can tell how much gravitational

0:24:24.880 --> 0:24:27.000
<v Speaker 2>force there is on those stars by looking at the

0:24:27.080 --> 0:24:30.280
<v Speaker 2>rotation velocity of the stars. That's how we deduce the

0:24:30.359 --> 0:24:33.240
<v Speaker 2>existence of dark matter in the first place. We're pretty

0:24:33.240 --> 0:24:36.760
<v Speaker 2>sure we understand the density profiles of galaxies, which is

0:24:36.800 --> 0:24:39.159
<v Speaker 2>why outside of galaxies is a good target.

0:24:39.359 --> 0:24:41.440
<v Speaker 1>So you're saying that maybe eighty to eighty five percent

0:24:41.480 --> 0:24:43.840
<v Speaker 1>of the missing quark matter in the universe might be

0:24:44.040 --> 0:24:48.119
<v Speaker 1>in between galaxies where we can't see them or what.

0:24:48.400 --> 0:24:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's exactly right. Most of the quarks in the

0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:54.600
<v Speaker 2>universe are not in galaxies. Like you might imagine that.

0:24:54.680 --> 0:24:56.800
<v Speaker 2>You know, matter forms in the Big Bang and then

0:24:56.840 --> 0:24:59.680
<v Speaker 2>things cool and clump together and form galaxies, and that's

0:24:59.720 --> 0:25:01.560
<v Speaker 2>part of the story. But it turns out it's not

0:25:01.800 --> 0:25:05.480
<v Speaker 2>most of the story, that this galaxy formation process is

0:25:05.600 --> 0:25:07.879
<v Speaker 2>kind of inefficient, that most of the normal matter in

0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:11.080
<v Speaker 2>the universe didn't participate it or hasn't.

0:25:10.800 --> 0:25:15.159
<v Speaker 1>Yet, because I guess the stuff that does come together

0:25:15.400 --> 0:25:18.040
<v Speaker 1>is kind of the fancy stuff that everyone pays attention to,

0:25:18.119 --> 0:25:19.560
<v Speaker 1>right the stars and the planets.

0:25:19.960 --> 0:25:22.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's got the most glitter and glam.

0:25:22.880 --> 0:25:25.320
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So then now is that confirmed? Like if you

0:25:25.480 --> 0:25:27.879
<v Speaker 1>look for things in between galaxies, do you find all

0:25:27.920 --> 0:25:29.120
<v Speaker 1>of this missing quark matter?

0:25:29.320 --> 0:25:31.560
<v Speaker 2>So there's several steps here. The first thing is to

0:25:31.600 --> 0:25:34.879
<v Speaker 2>look for hydrogen, so like, are there huge amounts of

0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:38.440
<v Speaker 2>hydrogen between the galaxies? And you can imagine the galaxies

0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:40.960
<v Speaker 2>is sort of like in these gravitational wells you have

0:25:40.960 --> 0:25:43.720
<v Speaker 2>a blob of dark matter which has gathered together the

0:25:43.760 --> 0:25:46.320
<v Speaker 2>normal matter to form stars and galaxies. And you can

0:25:46.359 --> 0:25:49.840
<v Speaker 2>think about like gravitational filaments like feeding into these wells,

0:25:49.840 --> 0:25:52.639
<v Speaker 2>sort of the way rivers feed into a lake, and

0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:56.160
<v Speaker 2>gas flowing into these galaxies. And we know that gas

0:25:56.200 --> 0:25:58.239
<v Speaker 2>is flowing into these galaxies, we can see like the

0:25:58.280 --> 0:26:01.440
<v Speaker 2>impact of gas flowing to these galaxies. Sometimes it even

0:26:01.440 --> 0:26:04.639
<v Speaker 2>affects star formation in those galaxies. But this gas can

0:26:04.640 --> 0:26:07.399
<v Speaker 2>be tricky to see because it's very, very dilute. Remember,

0:26:07.440 --> 0:26:12.119
<v Speaker 2>there huge space between galaxies, millions and millions of light years,

0:26:12.560 --> 0:26:14.960
<v Speaker 2>and so seeing these things is tricky. One way that

0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:17.320
<v Speaker 2>we have seen them though, is using quasars.

0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:19.879
<v Speaker 1>What do you mean? How do those help us see

0:26:20.040 --> 0:26:22.000
<v Speaker 1>the hydrogen between galaxies?

0:26:22.080 --> 0:26:24.240
<v Speaker 2>They basically light it up for us in this really

0:26:24.240 --> 0:26:27.320
<v Speaker 2>cool way. Remember, a quasar is like a black hole

0:26:27.440 --> 0:26:30.080
<v Speaker 2>at the center of a galaxy that's actively feeding. It's

0:26:30.080 --> 0:26:32.800
<v Speaker 2>like gobbling up a lot of stuff and emitting a

0:26:32.920 --> 0:26:36.000
<v Speaker 2>huge amount of radiation. Now it's confusing for people sometimes

0:26:36.000 --> 0:26:37.840
<v Speaker 2>when you say a black hole is emitting a lot

0:26:37.840 --> 0:26:41.000
<v Speaker 2>of radiation, the black hole itself is not emitting the radiation.

0:26:41.119 --> 0:26:44.080
<v Speaker 2>But if there's a very intense disk of matter near

0:26:44.160 --> 0:26:46.440
<v Speaker 2>the black hole. It's going to be very hot because

0:26:46.480 --> 0:26:49.320
<v Speaker 2>of all the gravitational tidal forces glowing, and a lot

0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:51.560
<v Speaker 2>of that radiation gets funneled up because of the magnetic

0:26:51.640 --> 0:26:54.560
<v Speaker 2>field of the black hole, and you get these extraordinarily

0:26:54.600 --> 0:26:57.480
<v Speaker 2>powerful beams of light that sort of like pencil raised

0:26:57.480 --> 0:27:00.600
<v Speaker 2>through the universe. Some of them hit the Earth. So

0:27:00.640 --> 0:27:03.160
<v Speaker 2>if there's this very powerful beam of light that passes

0:27:03.160 --> 0:27:05.159
<v Speaker 2>all the way through the universe, it's also going to

0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:07.680
<v Speaker 2>pass through some of these filaments of gas. And when

0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:10.760
<v Speaker 2>it does so, it changes the spectrum of light because

0:27:10.760 --> 0:27:13.000
<v Speaker 2>that gas likes to absorb some light. So if this

0:27:13.119 --> 0:27:15.520
<v Speaker 2>hydrogen there, it's going to absorb the light that likes

0:27:15.520 --> 0:27:19.119
<v Speaker 2>to interact with hydrogen, it's sort of deleted from the spectrum.

0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:22.440
<v Speaker 2>So by looking at the spectrum of light from these quasars,

0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:25.440
<v Speaker 2>we can tell how much hydrogen there is between us

0:27:25.720 --> 0:27:26.880
<v Speaker 2>and the source of the light.

0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:29.639
<v Speaker 1>You mean, like all of this quark matter that's floating

0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:32.320
<v Speaker 1>out there between galaxies X kind of like a filter.

0:27:32.840 --> 0:27:35.440
<v Speaker 1>So you have something bright like a quasar is shining

0:27:35.680 --> 0:27:38.760
<v Speaker 1>just directly at us and it filters through this gas.

0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:40.919
<v Speaker 1>You can sort of tell how much of the gas there.

0:27:40.800 --> 0:27:44.080
<v Speaker 2>Is exactly, and it's even more detailed and powerful than that,

0:27:44.480 --> 0:27:48.040
<v Speaker 2>because the hydrogen between us and this distant quasar is

0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:50.840
<v Speaker 2>all going to be moving at different velocities relative to us,

0:27:51.119 --> 0:27:53.359
<v Speaker 2>Like the further away it is, the faster it's going

0:27:53.400 --> 0:27:54.840
<v Speaker 2>to be moving away from us, it's going to be

0:27:54.840 --> 0:27:58.120
<v Speaker 2>red shifted, and that actually changes the frequency of light

0:27:58.160 --> 0:28:00.959
<v Speaker 2>that it interacts with. So if you look at the

0:28:01.000 --> 0:28:03.480
<v Speaker 2>spectrum of life from a quasar, you don't just see

0:28:03.520 --> 0:28:05.560
<v Speaker 2>one dip that tells you how much hydrogen there is.

0:28:05.800 --> 0:28:07.920
<v Speaker 2>You see a lot of dips. You see a forest

0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:11.920
<v Speaker 2>of these dips, each one corresponding to absorption of hydrogen

0:28:12.040 --> 0:28:15.080
<v Speaker 2>at a different red shift. And so not only does

0:28:15.119 --> 0:28:17.240
<v Speaker 2>it tell you how much hydrogen there is between you

0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:19.720
<v Speaker 2>and the quasar, it's like a one d map that

0:28:19.760 --> 0:28:23.160
<v Speaker 2>tells you where that hydrogen was between you and the quasar.

0:28:23.280 --> 0:28:24.919
<v Speaker 2>You can use these quasars to sort of like X

0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:27.919
<v Speaker 2>ray the universe and tell you where the hydrogen is.

0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:31.080
<v Speaker 1>WHOA, but how often do we get signals like this?

0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:33.439
<v Speaker 1>How many quasars are pointing directly at us?

0:28:33.520 --> 0:28:35.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not as many as we'd like, of course, lots

0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:37.879
<v Speaker 2>of them, because there's lots of galaxies out there, and

0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:41.360
<v Speaker 2>in the early universe, quasars were very active. It's a

0:28:41.360 --> 0:28:44.280
<v Speaker 2>whole other mystery like why the quasars mostly get formed

0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:46.720
<v Speaker 2>in the early universe and not so much now. But

0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:49.320
<v Speaker 2>there are a lot of very distant, very bright quasars

0:28:49.320 --> 0:28:51.920
<v Speaker 2>that sort of like shine these lights through the universe,

0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:53.680
<v Speaker 2>and we'd like to see more of them. It's tricky,

0:28:53.840 --> 0:28:55.720
<v Speaker 2>but there's enough that we could have an estimate for

0:28:55.800 --> 0:28:59.960
<v Speaker 2>how much hydrogen gas there is in these filaments between galaxies.

0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:04.120
<v Speaker 1>And these quasars basically like illuminate the hidden matter between galaxies.

0:29:04.320 --> 0:29:06.920
<v Speaker 2>They do. They illuminate the hydrogen. Right. That's when you

0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:09.920
<v Speaker 2>have a proton and an electron together, because that's what's

0:29:09.960 --> 0:29:13.120
<v Speaker 2>going to interact with these photons. The neutral hydrogen will

0:29:13.120 --> 0:29:14.959
<v Speaker 2>do this. So when you look at this information from

0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:16.640
<v Speaker 2>the quasars, you can add it all up and you

0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:20.680
<v Speaker 2>can guess how much neutral hydrogen gas there is between galaxies,

0:29:21.000 --> 0:29:23.400
<v Speaker 2>and that brings you to about half of the five

0:29:23.480 --> 0:29:26.520
<v Speaker 2>percent that we expected. So just stars and galaxies and

0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:29.680
<v Speaker 2>all that stuff gives you like fifteen percent. Adding the

0:29:29.720 --> 0:29:32.920
<v Speaker 2>neutral hydrogen between galaxies and you're up to about fifty percent.

0:29:33.080 --> 0:29:34.320
<v Speaker 1>That we can account for.

0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:36.320
<v Speaker 2>That, we can account for exactly Well.

0:29:36.200 --> 0:29:38.160
<v Speaker 1>You're saying it's not missing, then that we know where

0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:38.440
<v Speaker 1>it is.

0:29:38.640 --> 0:29:41.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, even this very clever technique only brings us to

0:29:41.040 --> 0:29:44.280
<v Speaker 2>fifty percent. The other half is still not explained.

0:29:44.640 --> 0:29:47.760
<v Speaker 1>Mm so only half of that five percent is missing.

0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:50.320
<v Speaker 2>Then, Yeah, so like fifteen percent of it is stars

0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:53.400
<v Speaker 2>and galaxies and black holes and the obvious easy stuff.

0:29:53.640 --> 0:29:56.400
<v Speaker 2>Another like thirty five percent turns out to be this

0:29:56.560 --> 0:30:00.959
<v Speaker 2>neutral hydrogen between galaxies. Until very re we've had no

0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:04.840
<v Speaker 2>explanation for the other fifty percent that part was still missing.

0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:08.080
<v Speaker 1>Could it be some other kinds of gases in between galaxies?

0:30:08.360 --> 0:30:11.520
<v Speaker 2>So the crucial thing is that this quasar method will

0:30:11.560 --> 0:30:14.720
<v Speaker 2>tell us about neutral hydrogen, because you know, the photons

0:30:14.800 --> 0:30:18.200
<v Speaker 2>passing through these filaments will excite. Neutral hygrogen has these

0:30:18.280 --> 0:30:21.280
<v Speaker 2>very particular energy levels. The rest of a popular theory

0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:25.040
<v Speaker 2>is that it's a low density plasma that it's ionized.

0:30:25.320 --> 0:30:27.600
<v Speaker 2>It's not like a proton or electron hanging out in

0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:29.760
<v Speaker 2>a hydrogen atom. It might just be like a bunch

0:30:29.760 --> 0:30:32.120
<v Speaker 2>of protons and a bunch of electrons that are too

0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:34.480
<v Speaker 2>hot to settle down into a hygrogen atom. They're like

0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:37.840
<v Speaker 2>flying around free and they wouldn't interact with equasars in

0:30:37.880 --> 0:30:40.560
<v Speaker 2>the same way. And people argue about whether it's warm

0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:43.080
<v Speaker 2>or whether it's hot, and so they give this stuff

0:30:43.120 --> 0:30:48.160
<v Speaker 2>the name warm hot Intergalactic medium WHIM or.

0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:54.600
<v Speaker 1>WHIM interesting acronym there. So you're saying that light doesn't

0:30:54.960 --> 0:30:58.720
<v Speaker 1>interact with cork matter unless there's an electron attached to it,

0:30:58.800 --> 0:31:02.120
<v Speaker 1>and that's because light only interacts with electrons.

0:31:02.240 --> 0:31:05.280
<v Speaker 2>Light will interact with any charged particle. But this particular

0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:08.640
<v Speaker 2>signature that we can see relies on a feature of

0:31:08.840 --> 0:31:12.640
<v Speaker 2>neutral hydrogen. So photons will interact with protons when electrons

0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:15.080
<v Speaker 2>and scatter and do all sorts of stuff. But this

0:31:15.120 --> 0:31:17.800
<v Speaker 2>particular method only lets us see the neutral hydrogen.

0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Why doesn't it let us see the protons.

0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:22.120
<v Speaker 2>Well, what happens when the life from the quasar hits

0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:24.240
<v Speaker 2>a proton or hits an electron is it just basically

0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:26.560
<v Speaker 2>gives it a boost. It makes it glow a little bit.

0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:28.360
<v Speaker 2>But it's hard to know how to interpret that. We

0:31:28.400 --> 0:31:30.720
<v Speaker 2>can't see very well the glow from these protons and

0:31:30.720 --> 0:31:34.120
<v Speaker 2>these electrons because they're very very hot, so we think

0:31:34.160 --> 0:31:37.640
<v Speaker 2>they might emit some X rays or some UV rays

0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:40.480
<v Speaker 2>but it's very hard to detect those here on Earth.

0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:43.160
<v Speaker 1>So we wouldn't see it in the signature from the quasars.

0:31:42.720 --> 0:31:45.360
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, because these free protons and these free electrons can

0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:48.040
<v Speaker 2>interact with any kind of photon, so they generally would

0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:51.280
<v Speaker 2>just like overall, reduce the signature from the quasars neutral

0:31:51.360 --> 0:31:53.480
<v Speaker 2>hydrogen because it's a bound state of the proton, and

0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:56.360
<v Speaker 2>the electron is very rigid about which photons it will

0:31:56.360 --> 0:31:59.000
<v Speaker 2>interact with, and so it makes this very particular measurable

0:31:59.040 --> 0:32:02.320
<v Speaker 2>signature on the quasars. A free proton or free electron

0:32:02.360 --> 0:32:04.720
<v Speaker 2>can interact with any kind of photon, and so it

0:32:04.760 --> 0:32:08.000
<v Speaker 2>doesn't create this like obvious signature in the quasar beam.

0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:11.400
<v Speaker 2>We need another method to see these protons and electrons.

0:32:11.800 --> 0:32:14.320
<v Speaker 1>I see the light from the quasar is maybe getting

0:32:14.360 --> 0:32:18.160
<v Speaker 1>absorbed by these free quarks floating out there, but it

0:32:18.200 --> 0:32:20.000
<v Speaker 1>would just look like it's a little dimmer to us,

0:32:20.040 --> 0:32:22.120
<v Speaker 1>which we can tell if it's because of that or

0:32:22.320 --> 0:32:24.320
<v Speaker 1>maybe because the quasar is not as bright as we

0:32:24.320 --> 0:32:26.520
<v Speaker 1>thought it is. All right, well, let's get into some

0:32:26.640 --> 0:32:29.320
<v Speaker 1>of the ways that we maybe could measure this missing

0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:32.680
<v Speaker 1>quark matter and what it all means about our understanding

0:32:32.760 --> 0:32:35.880
<v Speaker 1>of the universe. But first, let's take another quick break.

0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:52.360
<v Speaker 1>All right, we are slowly piecing together this problem, this

0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:55.280
<v Speaker 1>missing matter in the universe. Apparently there's a lot of

0:32:55.360 --> 0:32:57.400
<v Speaker 1>quark matter that we think should be there, but it's not.

0:32:57.640 --> 0:32:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Although I feel like we've already a kount of for

0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:01.960
<v Speaker 1>fifty percent of it. We started with only being able

0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:04.719
<v Speaker 1>to count fifteen percent of it, but now we're up

0:33:04.720 --> 0:33:05.640
<v Speaker 1>to fifty percent of it.

0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:07.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, I guess fifty percent is like

0:33:07.840 --> 0:33:10.320
<v Speaker 2>on the edge of a passing grade. So you might

0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:12.400
<v Speaker 2>be tempted to call it a day move on, But

0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:14.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, some of us are curious. We want to

0:33:14.360 --> 0:33:16.720
<v Speaker 2>know where is the other half of all the matter in.

0:33:16.680 --> 0:33:19.000
<v Speaker 1>The universe, don't Some of these measurements have like a

0:33:19.040 --> 0:33:23.480
<v Speaker 1>plus or minus fifty percent uncertainty or error bar on them.

0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:25.760
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, I guess that's one way to resolve the mystery.

0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:28.200
<v Speaker 2>Just be like, well, let's just inflate the aerror and

0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:29.680
<v Speaker 2>it's no longer a mystery.

0:33:29.880 --> 0:33:30.520
<v Speaker 1>There you go.

0:33:31.640 --> 0:33:34.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there are big uncertainties on some of these measurements,

0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:36.560
<v Speaker 2>but they're smaller than the discrepancy. And that's how you

0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:39.040
<v Speaker 2>know when you have an interesting scientific puzzle that you

0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:41.280
<v Speaker 2>think you have measured things well and yet you still

0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:44.040
<v Speaker 2>can't explain it. Things are not adding up. The error

0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:46.720
<v Speaker 2>is smaller than the size of the effect you're looking for.

0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:49.680
<v Speaker 1>All right. So now we've accounted for fifty percent of

0:33:49.720 --> 0:33:52.720
<v Speaker 1>the quark matter in the universe. There's still fifty percent missing.

0:33:52.800 --> 0:33:53.720
<v Speaker 1>How are we looking for it?

0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:55.800
<v Speaker 2>So we're using all sorts of clever techniques to look

0:33:55.840 --> 0:33:58.280
<v Speaker 2>for this stuff the whim. And this stuff is hard

0:33:58.320 --> 0:34:00.720
<v Speaker 2>to see because even though it could be pretty hot,

0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:04.120
<v Speaker 2>we're talking about like a million calvin right ten to six,

0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:08.360
<v Speaker 2>ten to seven calvin, it's also very very dilute, you know,

0:34:08.400 --> 0:34:11.840
<v Speaker 2>it's like one atom per cubic meter. It's like a

0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:15.480
<v Speaker 2>billionth of a billionth of the density of our atmosphere.

0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:17.760
<v Speaker 2>So this stuff is not very easy to see, especially

0:34:17.760 --> 0:34:20.440
<v Speaker 2>if it's very far away. And so we're looking for

0:34:20.560 --> 0:34:22.480
<v Speaker 2>a way to excite it. We're looking for something that's

0:34:22.520 --> 0:34:24.960
<v Speaker 2>going to pass through it and get interacted with it

0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:27.480
<v Speaker 2>in a characteristic way that can tell us about the

0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:30.120
<v Speaker 2>density of this plasma. And one really cool way is

0:34:30.160 --> 0:34:34.960
<v Speaker 2>to use another cosmic mystery, these things called fast radio bursts.

0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:38.560
<v Speaker 2>Something out there in the universe is generating these very

0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:42.319
<v Speaker 2>intense pulses of radio waves. Remember, radio waves are just

0:34:42.360 --> 0:34:46.319
<v Speaker 2>photons with very very long frequency. We call it radio waves.

0:34:46.360 --> 0:34:48.279
<v Speaker 2>If it's in a certain frequency regime, we call them

0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:51.440
<v Speaker 2>X rays, and another frequency regime, and visible light in another.

0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:54.719
<v Speaker 2>It's all just photons of different energies. But these very

0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:58.000
<v Speaker 2>very bright pulses of radio waves are created somewhere out

0:34:58.000 --> 0:35:01.200
<v Speaker 2>there in the universe, passing through all the matter between

0:35:01.320 --> 0:35:03.720
<v Speaker 2>us and them, And as we study them here on Earth,

0:35:03.760 --> 0:35:05.920
<v Speaker 2>we can look at the details of those radio waves

0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:08.640
<v Speaker 2>as a way to sort of like X ray, this whim,

0:35:08.800 --> 0:35:10.800
<v Speaker 2>this warm, hot intergalactic medium.

0:35:10.960 --> 0:35:13.960
<v Speaker 1>So how do these bursts of radio waves tell us

0:35:14.000 --> 0:35:17.640
<v Speaker 1>about this plasma that might be hiding all of the

0:35:17.640 --> 0:35:18.480
<v Speaker 1>missing cord matter.

0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:21.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you had the basic idea earlier when you're saying, like,

0:35:21.520 --> 0:35:25.240
<v Speaker 2>wooden photons interact with this whim. The protons, they're electrons,

0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:27.799
<v Speaker 2>they're charged particles, and you're absolutely right they do. But

0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:30.040
<v Speaker 2>you need the right kind of photon in order to

0:35:30.080 --> 0:35:32.400
<v Speaker 2>tell you what you need to know. As light passes

0:35:32.440 --> 0:35:35.080
<v Speaker 2>through matter, it slows down like the speed of light

0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:37.520
<v Speaker 2>through a vacuum. Is the famous speed that we all know,

0:35:37.800 --> 0:35:40.359
<v Speaker 2>but light passing through glass or through air will move

0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:43.600
<v Speaker 2>slower than light through a vacuum, and that effect actually

0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:47.680
<v Speaker 2>depends on the energy of the photon. So longer wavelengths

0:35:47.680 --> 0:35:51.399
<v Speaker 2>of light are slowed more than shorter wavelengths of light.

0:35:51.480 --> 0:35:53.200
<v Speaker 2>So if you start with the pulsive light of several

0:35:53.239 --> 0:35:56.160
<v Speaker 2>frequencies and then you measure the arrival time of that

0:35:56.280 --> 0:35:59.200
<v Speaker 2>light here on Earth, you can actually measure the density

0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:03.120
<v Speaker 2>of stuff between you and the pulse, because the higher

0:36:03.120 --> 0:36:05.640
<v Speaker 2>the density, the more the difference in the arrival times

0:36:05.680 --> 0:36:08.240
<v Speaker 2>between the long wavelengths and the short wavelengths.

0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:10.840
<v Speaker 1>I see, But don't you need to know what that

0:36:10.920 --> 0:36:13.319
<v Speaker 1>bursts looked like before it went through the filter of

0:36:13.440 --> 0:36:16.560
<v Speaker 1>this plasma between galaxies? How do we know that if

0:36:16.600 --> 0:36:18.680
<v Speaker 1>these are of unknown origin?

0:36:18.760 --> 0:36:20.680
<v Speaker 2>You're right, we do need to know something, But essentially

0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:23.400
<v Speaker 2>all we need to know is that they're all produced

0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:25.600
<v Speaker 2>at the same moment, or very very close to the

0:36:25.600 --> 0:36:28.120
<v Speaker 2>same time. We don't need to know something about the

0:36:28.160 --> 0:36:30.560
<v Speaker 2>spectrum because we're looking for it's just the difference in

0:36:30.640 --> 0:36:32.960
<v Speaker 2>arrival times. If you shoot a long wavelength and a

0:36:33.000 --> 0:36:36.200
<v Speaker 2>short wavelength photon at me at the same time, then

0:36:36.239 --> 0:36:38.640
<v Speaker 2>I can tell you the density of matter between us

0:36:38.880 --> 0:36:41.200
<v Speaker 2>by looking at the difference in the arrival times between

0:36:41.239 --> 0:36:44.359
<v Speaker 2>the short and the long wavelength photon, because the long

0:36:44.400 --> 0:36:47.600
<v Speaker 2>wave looking photon will be slowed down more by higher

0:36:47.640 --> 0:36:49.879
<v Speaker 2>density material. So I don't need to know anything else.

0:36:49.920 --> 0:36:51.480
<v Speaker 2>I just need to know that there's like a pulse

0:36:51.560 --> 0:36:54.160
<v Speaker 2>created and these two photons were made of basically the

0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:56.920
<v Speaker 2>same moment. And that's what these fast radio bursts do.

0:36:57.040 --> 0:36:59.800
<v Speaker 2>We don't know what's actually making them. That's a big mystery,

0:37:00.360 --> 0:37:02.160
<v Speaker 2>but we suspect that they're being made in a very

0:37:02.200 --> 0:37:04.560
<v Speaker 2>short amount of time, like a one millisecond pulse.

0:37:05.320 --> 0:37:07.480
<v Speaker 1>But how do you know they weren't made at different times.

0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're not exactly sure. That's an assumption. When they

0:37:09.760 --> 0:37:11.680
<v Speaker 2>arrive here on Earth, they're spread out over a few

0:37:11.719 --> 0:37:14.040
<v Speaker 2>seconds or sometimes tens of seconds. But because of the

0:37:14.160 --> 0:37:17.160
<v Speaker 2>enormous amount of energy overall, we suspect that it was

0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:19.960
<v Speaker 2>a very fast event, though we still don't understand it.

0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:21.319
<v Speaker 1>I think I know what you're saying. You're saying like

0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:24.320
<v Speaker 1>there's a burst of radio waves, like a bright flash

0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:26.920
<v Speaker 1>of light that we see that was made out there

0:37:27.120 --> 0:37:30.239
<v Speaker 1>in the universe, and we measure that burst of light

0:37:30.280 --> 0:37:33.319
<v Speaker 1>when it gets here on Earth at different frequencies. You're saying, like,

0:37:33.480 --> 0:37:37.160
<v Speaker 1>the bursts at one frequency is going to arrive earlier

0:37:37.200 --> 0:37:40.440
<v Speaker 1>than the burst from another frequency, and that difference in

0:37:40.480 --> 0:37:42.560
<v Speaker 1>the arrival time tells you like, oh, there must have

0:37:42.600 --> 0:37:47.080
<v Speaker 1>been some quark matter in plasma form between us and

0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:51.239
<v Speaker 1>that burst that absorb or slowed down some of that

0:37:51.400 --> 0:37:53.320
<v Speaker 1>second frequency exactly.

0:37:53.440 --> 0:37:57.360
<v Speaker 2>This effect is called dispersion, you know, wavelength dependent effect

0:37:57.520 --> 0:37:59.640
<v Speaker 2>on the speed of light essentially, and by measuring this

0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:03.200
<v Speaker 2>dip you can infer the density of the plasma between

0:38:03.239 --> 0:38:05.600
<v Speaker 2>you and the source. But you're right, we're making some

0:38:05.680 --> 0:38:08.600
<v Speaker 2>assumptions about the nature of the source. We're assuming, essentially

0:38:08.920 --> 0:38:11.720
<v Speaker 2>that the length of time over which those radio waves

0:38:11.719 --> 0:38:14.239
<v Speaker 2>were produced is negligible compared to the length of time

0:38:14.280 --> 0:38:15.200
<v Speaker 2>over which they arrive.

0:38:15.560 --> 0:38:17.640
<v Speaker 1>You also have to know where that burst came from,

0:38:17.680 --> 0:38:18.080
<v Speaker 1>don't you.

0:38:18.160 --> 0:38:20.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you do. You have to know the direction. And

0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:23.600
<v Speaker 2>so we've been seeing these fast radio bursts over the

0:38:23.680 --> 0:38:26.600
<v Speaker 2>last few decades. They were discovered sort of accidentally. We

0:38:26.680 --> 0:38:29.600
<v Speaker 2>have a whole fun podcast episode about that, but only

0:38:29.640 --> 0:38:32.000
<v Speaker 2>recently have we been able to locate them, to tell

0:38:32.040 --> 0:38:34.600
<v Speaker 2>where in the sky they come from, and to do

0:38:34.640 --> 0:38:37.400
<v Speaker 2>that you need like larger instruments, or you need coordination

0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:40.400
<v Speaker 2>between various instruments so you can tell about their arrival

0:38:40.440 --> 0:38:42.480
<v Speaker 2>time at various parts on Earth. But in the last

0:38:42.480 --> 0:38:44.360
<v Speaker 2>couple of decades they've been able to do that and

0:38:44.440 --> 0:38:47.920
<v Speaker 2>gather enough information to estimate the mass of the WHIM

0:38:48.120 --> 0:38:49.600
<v Speaker 2>from these fast radio.

0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Bursts, at least the part of that quark plasma that's

0:38:53.040 --> 0:38:56.320
<v Speaker 1>hiding that we can tell using this method.

0:38:56.440 --> 0:38:59.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. And you always want to have like multiple

0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:02.440
<v Speaker 2>ways to measure things, especially if it's very uncertain, and

0:39:02.520 --> 0:39:04.759
<v Speaker 2>if you're talking about half of all the stuff in

0:39:04.800 --> 0:39:07.719
<v Speaker 2>the universe or the normal matter. So there actually is

0:39:07.760 --> 0:39:12.080
<v Speaker 2>a second, completely independent way to measure this WIM to

0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:14.719
<v Speaker 2>see where it is and how much stuff there is.

0:39:15.160 --> 0:39:17.840
<v Speaker 2>And this one is more sensitive to the electrons in

0:39:17.840 --> 0:39:19.880
<v Speaker 2>the wim. Remember we think the WIM is a plasma.

0:39:19.880 --> 0:39:22.880
<v Speaker 2>It's protons and its electrons, and those are separated, and

0:39:22.880 --> 0:39:26.759
<v Speaker 2>the electrons themselves can get like jazzed up by interacting

0:39:26.800 --> 0:39:29.799
<v Speaker 2>with the old cosmic microwave background light in a way

0:39:29.840 --> 0:39:32.319
<v Speaker 2>that some people can see and can use that to

0:39:32.520 --> 0:39:34.759
<v Speaker 2>estimate where the WIM is and how much there is.

0:39:35.520 --> 0:39:38.520
<v Speaker 1>And so using these measurements what is our estimate of

0:39:38.640 --> 0:39:41.799
<v Speaker 1>orre all this missing quark matter up to.

0:39:41.920 --> 0:39:44.400
<v Speaker 2>So it comes out pretty close to one hundred percent.

0:39:44.840 --> 0:39:47.719
<v Speaker 2>So the current idea is that this WIM fills in

0:39:47.760 --> 0:39:50.040
<v Speaker 2>the gap that when you add in the WHIM and

0:39:50.080 --> 0:39:53.040
<v Speaker 2>the neutral hydrogen between galaxies and then all the stuff

0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:56.560
<v Speaker 2>inside the galaxies, it all adds up to explain the

0:39:56.600 --> 0:40:00.279
<v Speaker 2>amount of baryonic matter we predicted from the CMB and

0:40:00.320 --> 0:40:03.080
<v Speaker 2>from Big Bang nucleosynthesis. So it all sort of like

0:40:03.120 --> 0:40:04.520
<v Speaker 2>clicks into place amazingly.

0:40:04.680 --> 0:40:07.000
<v Speaker 1>So then we think we found all the missing matter.

0:40:07.040 --> 0:40:09.320
<v Speaker 2>Then we have cracked the case of the missing matter

0:40:09.400 --> 0:40:12.839
<v Speaker 2>in the universe, which is like sort of exciting and

0:40:12.880 --> 0:40:14.319
<v Speaker 2>also sort of disappointing.

0:40:14.480 --> 0:40:17.200
<v Speaker 1>So wait, using these radio burss, we think we've seen

0:40:17.560 --> 0:40:18.520
<v Speaker 1>all of the missing matter.

0:40:18.680 --> 0:40:20.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the current thinking is that this WHIM is that

0:40:20.880 --> 0:40:23.680
<v Speaker 2>missing piece, that fifty percent that we couldn't account for

0:40:23.800 --> 0:40:26.560
<v Speaker 2>after we figured out the neutral hydrogen component is probably

0:40:26.600 --> 0:40:28.960
<v Speaker 2>all the WHIM, which means that like half of all

0:40:29.000 --> 0:40:31.840
<v Speaker 2>the quarks in the universe are in the WHIM.

0:40:31.880 --> 0:40:34.680
<v Speaker 1>Are in hot gas in between in the middle of nowhere.

0:40:34.719 --> 0:40:38.360
<v Speaker 2>Basically, yeah, the universe is half hot gas.

0:40:38.480 --> 0:40:42.520
<v Speaker 1>It's incredible sort of like the US. I guess, so

0:40:42.600 --> 0:40:44.360
<v Speaker 1>the population lives in the middle of nowhere.

0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:46.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. And so if you want to like make

0:40:46.960 --> 0:40:48.640
<v Speaker 2>a ranked list of all the stuff that's out there

0:40:48.640 --> 0:40:50.920
<v Speaker 2>in the universe, it's mostly, you know, stuff that's very

0:40:50.920 --> 0:40:54.080
<v Speaker 2>susceptible to toilet humor. It's dark matter is a lot

0:40:54.120 --> 0:40:56.759
<v Speaker 2>of the universe, and then of the five percent that

0:40:56.800 --> 0:40:59.080
<v Speaker 2>makes up our kind of stuff, half of it is

0:40:59.160 --> 0:41:02.480
<v Speaker 2>hot gas floating out there in the universe between galaxies.

0:41:02.680 --> 0:41:04.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's only toilet humor if you like, if your

0:41:05.200 --> 0:41:06.399
<v Speaker 1>head is in the toilet.

0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:10.680
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's good or humor then. But you know, it's

0:41:10.719 --> 0:41:13.239
<v Speaker 2>exciting to have these confirmation to be like, wow, we

0:41:13.280 --> 0:41:15.600
<v Speaker 2>do really understand what's going on out there in the universe.

0:41:15.719 --> 0:41:18.799
<v Speaker 2>These incredible calculations from the early universe that make these

0:41:18.800 --> 0:41:21.920
<v Speaker 2>predictions about how many baryons should be floating out there

0:41:21.960 --> 0:41:25.640
<v Speaker 2>billions of years later are kind of accurate. And we've

0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:28.160
<v Speaker 2>been able to like X ray and pinpoint the universe

0:41:28.239 --> 0:41:30.520
<v Speaker 2>using all these clever techniques to figure out where the

0:41:30.600 --> 0:41:33.920
<v Speaker 2>stuff actually is. And it tells us this amazing story

0:41:33.920 --> 0:41:36.840
<v Speaker 2>that galaxies are not the most important thing in the universe.

0:41:36.880 --> 0:41:39.520
<v Speaker 2>They're not even the most important part of the normal matter.

0:41:39.880 --> 0:41:43.440
<v Speaker 2>There are these massive halos of gas surrounding the galaxies

0:41:43.440 --> 0:41:47.279
<v Speaker 2>and then between the galaxies, So that's super exciting, but

0:41:47.360 --> 0:41:49.680
<v Speaker 2>it's also kind of a letdown because when you do

0:41:49.680 --> 0:41:52.560
<v Speaker 2>these kind of calculations, which you're hoping for is some

0:41:52.840 --> 0:41:55.760
<v Speaker 2>great new discovery. Right the way we discover dark matter

0:41:55.960 --> 0:41:58.920
<v Speaker 2>by finding a discrepancy in our calculations, this could have

0:41:58.960 --> 0:42:02.000
<v Speaker 2>been the discovery of something else, totally weird and new.

0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, you're disappointed that you solve the problem. You wanted

0:42:05.040 --> 0:42:05.760
<v Speaker 1>more problems.

0:42:05.840 --> 0:42:07.880
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I wanted more problems exactly.

0:42:07.920 --> 0:42:09.959
<v Speaker 1>You want it more, more of a job.

0:42:11.160 --> 0:42:13.200
<v Speaker 2>It would be fascinating, right, Like finding out that it's

0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:16.160
<v Speaker 2>the whim is cool, it makes sense, But it would

0:42:16.160 --> 0:42:18.479
<v Speaker 2>have been more exciting if it was some new kind

0:42:18.480 --> 0:42:21.320
<v Speaker 2>of matter, something else that we didn't expect, quarks forming

0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:24.680
<v Speaker 2>some new kind of stuff that we hadn't anticipated, or

0:42:24.719 --> 0:42:27.959
<v Speaker 2>maybe discovering something was wrong in our early universe calculations.

0:42:28.239 --> 0:42:30.759
<v Speaker 2>That would have been I think a bigger discovery because

0:42:30.800 --> 0:42:32.880
<v Speaker 2>we would have learned more about the universe.

0:42:33.120 --> 0:42:35.160
<v Speaker 1>Well, maybe that's why this problem didn't get a lot

0:42:35.160 --> 0:42:37.200
<v Speaker 1>of press, because you guys sold it as like, Eh,

0:42:37.480 --> 0:42:41.040
<v Speaker 1>we found it. Whatever, it's not that exciting. Now you're

0:42:41.040 --> 0:42:43.560
<v Speaker 1>complaining that it doesn't get any uh.

0:42:43.400 --> 0:42:45.600
<v Speaker 2>Press, Well, here we are trying to get it some

0:42:45.640 --> 0:42:48.319
<v Speaker 2>more attention. Right, So I'm out here trumpeting the case

0:42:48.360 --> 0:42:50.680
<v Speaker 2>of the missing matter and its whimsical solution.

0:42:50.960 --> 0:42:52.879
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think maybe the other reason is that it's

0:42:52.920 --> 0:42:54.480
<v Speaker 1>not really a problem anymore, exactly.

0:42:55.239 --> 0:42:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Unfortunately we've mostly figured it out. I unfortunately or

0:42:58.560 --> 0:43:01.160
<v Speaker 2>unfortunately fortunately because it means our theories of physics are

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<v Speaker 2>mostly working and our techniques are clever and effective. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>because it means now we've got to move on to

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<v Speaker 2>something else.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe you just need to rename it. Right, It's

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<v Speaker 1>no longer the missing baryon problem is just the found

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<v Speaker 1>barian flat.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the once missing baryon. The Baryon's formerly known as

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<v Speaker 2>missing all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, another interesting reminder that the universe keeps surprising us,

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<v Speaker 1>even in I guess not so surprising ways. It's surprising

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<v Speaker 1>that you can sort of make these models and figure

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<v Speaker 1>out where everything should be and where it needs to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, asking questions in several different ways, trying to do

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<v Speaker 2>calculations from this and from that, piecing it all together

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<v Speaker 2>is a great way to figure out what's actually out

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<v Speaker 2>there in the universe, and sometimes actually leads you to

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<v Speaker 2>an answer.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I kind of wish we had read the last

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<v Speaker 1>chapter of this mystery. I had to save this a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of time here.

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<v Speaker 2>This was decades of work and lots of careful energy,

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<v Speaker 2>and like lots of people's peachdtcs. You know, we're like

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<v Speaker 2>taking tiny steps in this direction. So you can summarize

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<v Speaker 2>it all in about five seconds, but you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>was a.

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<v Speaker 1>Journey, and also it's kind of a still a work

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<v Speaker 1>in progress, I imagine. I mean, you have some measurements,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can always refine those or somebody might find

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<v Speaker 1>something that disproved those measurements.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, precisely. Now we fold these things into our

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<v Speaker 2>models of galaxy formation. Because we have a better understanding

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<v Speaker 2>of the density and the temperature of this whim. We

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<v Speaker 2>can make sure that it describes the kinds of galaxies

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<v Speaker 2>that we see, the sizes of galaxies, the rate of

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<v Speaker 2>galaxy formation, how often galaxies merge. It all gets folded

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<v Speaker 2>into a more precise description of our universe, which we

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<v Speaker 2>hope will reveal more discrepancies and more surprises in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>And more toilet humor inevitable. All right, well it's time

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<v Speaker 1>to flush. I guess we hope you enjoyed that. Thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for joining us, see you next time.

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