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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Brian Coberger's trial date is set this as the state

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Speaker 2: is amassing sell and video proof. Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Bombshell the Coburger trial date set. After endless billays, will

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Speaker 2: the Idaho Ford victims finally get justice? We now know

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Speaker 2: the trial date is not to occur for another year.

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Speaker 1: Is this really happening?

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Speaker 2: Joining me an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 2: what we know right now. First of all, straight out

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Speaker 2: to Chris McDonough joining US director, Cold Case Foundation, homicide

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Speaker 2: detective and host of the YouTube channel The Interview Room.

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Speaker 2: The families of the victims very distraught at another year delay.

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Speaker 1: Seemingly no justice.

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Speaker 2: And you know, Chris McDonough from having been a star

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Speaker 2: witness in so many murder cases. The defense's best friend

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Speaker 2: is delay, delay, delay, and that is a trial strategy,

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Speaker 2: to delay, agree or disagree.

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent. Agreet Nancy, and this is you know

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Speaker 3: what the family was waiting for to get a trial date,

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Speaker 3: but you know, to be thirty months out from the

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Speaker 3: moment their child is taken off of this earth is

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Speaker 3: very difficult to navigate. Through and it does benefit the defense.

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Speaker 2: Another thing I'm gonna circle back to the trial day,

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Speaker 2: but a big blow up amongst legal eagles across the

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Speaker 2: country is the body language in the courtroom.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen.

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Speaker 4: Integral to Brian Colberg's defense is the appearance that his

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Speaker 4: counsel truly believes he is innocent. And Taylor and her

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Speaker 4: assistants have said that they support Colberger, but body language

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Speaker 4: experts say Taylor's positioning far away from Colberger suggest otherwise.

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Speaker 4: Some even say it looks like Taylor fears Coburger. However,

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Speaker 4: their attorney client relationship shows improvement, with Colberger breaking his

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Speaker 4: usual stare during conversation with Taylor to crack a smile.

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Speaker 2: Saying throughout history and I'm going to go to Brian C. Stewart,

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Speaker 2: high profile lawyer joining us out of this jurisdiction of Idaho.

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Speaker 2: He is managing partner Parker and Maconcole. Question, g you, Brian,

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Speaker 2: We have watched the body language in the courtroom from

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Speaker 2: the get go, and let me show you a few

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Speaker 2: shots on just off the top of my head, for instance. Oh,

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Speaker 2: there they are on earlier court dates when they were

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Speaker 2: still sitting together. That's one of the first court dates

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Speaker 2: ever the courtroom body language Brian Stewart is conveyed to

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Speaker 2: a jury. It nonverbal, but it's very clear. And we

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Speaker 2: see and Taylor in the Coburger case inching further in,

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Speaker 2: further and further away from Coburger.

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Speaker 1: Gee, I wonder why why in.

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Speaker 5: Well, there's no question that the proximity and relationship that

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Speaker 5: a defense attorney exhibits towards their client gives the perception

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Speaker 5: of what that defense attorney actually believes about the client,

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Speaker 5: whether or not they're dangerous or safe, or guilty or innocent.

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Speaker 5: And even setting the defense lawyers actually society, a seasoned

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Speaker 5: defense lawyer is going to know that that perception is

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Speaker 5: always on trial, even in motion hearings as well as

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Speaker 5: at trial, that they're always being observed and always sending

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Speaker 5: a message of how they feel about their client.

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Speaker 2: Joining us right now, Special guest Tracy Brown, body language expert,

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Speaker 2: author of How to Detect Lies, Fraud and Identity Theft,

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Speaker 2: and you can find language trainer dot com.

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Speaker 1: Tracy, it's great to have you.

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Speaker 2: I wanted you to see the various photos and see

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Speaker 2: Coburger with his lawyer.

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Speaker 1: Tracy.

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Speaker 2: I was looking actually at Coburger's outfits in court, and

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Speaker 2: I was comparing one suit to the next, to the next,

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Speaker 2: to the next to the next, and I noticed he

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Speaker 2: always wore the same tie. And as I was looking

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Speaker 2: at that, you know, does his demeanor change? Does his

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Speaker 2: strut into the courtroom change? Because I will never forget

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Speaker 2: Scott Peterson. Every day he would walk into the courtroom

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Speaker 2: all puffed up like this, very cocky, like a star

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Speaker 2: And I didn't think that was a good look for

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Speaker 2: the jury. But I've been watching Coburger's gate, his demeanor,

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Speaker 2: Who he looks for in the court room, Where does

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Speaker 1: How to seat himself? Where does he seat himself?

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Speaker 2: Is he relaxedes, he smiling, There's a lot of creepy

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Speaker 2: the distance. And I guarantee you after tonight it won't

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Speaker 2: happen again. But there has been a growing distance and

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Speaker 2: frigidity between his defense attorney and him. And I'd like you,

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Speaker 2: having studied his demeanor and his movements in court, to

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Speaker 6: Well, what I see is when he walks in, he's

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Speaker 6: be a reasonable thing to think. Now as the distance grows, right,

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Speaker 6: that says emotional separation and they definitely do not have

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Speaker 6: a close relationship him and his lawyer. Now here's what

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Speaker 6: I noticed that was really interesting, And some of the

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Speaker 6: video that your team sent me is when they left

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Speaker 6: and the rest of the team was still back at

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Speaker 6: necessarily accepted his lawyer as the unconscious leader of the group,

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Speaker 6: because if that was the case, they would they would

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Speaker 6: rise and he would wait for them and they would

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Speaker 6: leave together. So that really struck me as interesting. They

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Speaker 6: are not a tight unit team at all.

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Speaker 2: I can tell you right now, this guy is never

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Speaker 2: going to be allowed on the stand joining me. In

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Speaker 2: addition to the all star panel you've already met, Howard

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Speaker 2: bloom is with us renowned author and author of a

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Speaker 2: brand new book, which is amazing. I've read the entire

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Speaker 2: thing cover to cover. When the Night Comes Falling a

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Speaker 2: Requiem for the Idaho student murders. You can find him

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Speaker 2: at Howard Bloom that's b luim dot com. Howard, you

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Speaker 2: have researched this so diligently. I want to hear your thoughts.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 7: He seems to live in his own detachment, his own

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Speaker 7: little world. Even in the courtroom, it almost looks as

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Speaker 7: he stares straight ahead, looks as if he might have

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Speaker 7: been drugged beforehand to keep him under control. But I

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Speaker 7: also you mentioned that he wears different suits. I wonder

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Speaker 7: where's he getting these suits. We know the state is

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Speaker 7: paying for his defense, but where is he getting all

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Speaker 7: these new suits.

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Speaker 8: He seems to be.

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Speaker 7: Going out almost posing as an actor in this His

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Speaker 7: hair is suddenly jelled, He's looking good. I think he's

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Speaker 7: on some level enjoying this attention because I also believe

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Speaker 7: in the back of his mind he thinks he's going

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Speaker 3: I think he thinks he's going.

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Speaker 1: To have the last left guys.

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Speaker 2: We have been told, according to sources, he is using

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Speaker 2: five different suits for court. Many of them look very

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Speaker 2: similar to Joseph Scott Morgan joining me. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville

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Speaker 2: State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,

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Speaker 2: and star of a hit new series podcasts Body Bags

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Speaker 2: with Joe Scott Morgan. All of that is well and good.

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Speaker 2: But here's the thing about Morgan. He has investigated over

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Speaker 2: one thousand death scenes.

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Speaker 1: Now, I've tried a lot of homicides.

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Speaker 2: I've been to a lot of autopsies, but that is

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Speaker 2: a big number, rivaled by Chris McDonough, former homicide detective.

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Speaker 2: But Joe Scott, I want to talk to you about

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Speaker 2: this aspect of the trial.

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Speaker 1: You've been in a lot of trials. You have a

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Speaker 1: real way of communicating.

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Speaker 2: When I look at Coburger, there's only one word I

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Speaker 2: can think of, frigid. When he sits in the courtroom,

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Speaker 2: he might as well be a stalactite sitting there in

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Speaker 2: the chair next to his lawyer. Hey, Frank, you looks

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Speaker 2: she looks terrified of him. She just she hardly even

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Speaker 1: Number one.

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Speaker 2: And that's the thing that is a thing, you know,

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Speaker 2: Joe Scott, when you don't like somebody, or you don't

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Speaker 2: like what they're saying. You, you know, look away like that,

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Speaker 1: How do you equate?

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Speaker 2: Now, this may be a little out of your usual

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Speaker 2: usually talking about body parts and blood spatter and autopsies,

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Speaker 2: But I want you to compare the ferosity of those

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Speaker 9: He has he has this cold affect, which I think

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Speaker 9: that that has been stated pretty clearly here. I was

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Speaker 9: He's got all of his time again to think about this.

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Speaker 2: How can those two things exist, Joe Scott, the ferocity,

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Speaker 2: the vicious nature of the attacks, and the line I'm

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Speaker 2: here to help you, he said to one of the victims,

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Speaker 9: It goes to psychopathy. I think, Nancy, this idea that

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Speaker 9: some degree of planning that went on, and we can

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Speaker 9: get into all of that. But you think about the

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Speaker 4: Integral too, Brian Colberger's defense is the appearance that his

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Speaker 4: counsel truly believes he is innocent, but body language experts

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Speaker 4: say Taylor's positioning far away from Colberger suggest otherwise.

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Speaker 1: The Coburger attorneys seemingly terrified of suspected Idaho students killer.

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Speaker 2: Not just evidence that is being amassed. Right now, we

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Speaker 2: keep hearing the defense complaining I don't have the evidence.

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Speaker 2: I don't have the evidence. It could be much as

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Speaker 2: in the case of Alex Murdog remember the car satellite evidence,

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Speaker 2: the black box, so to speak, That evidence was being

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Speaker 2: amassed leading all the way up to trial, and therefore

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Speaker 2: it was newly discovered. Is the state amassing cell phone

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Speaker 2: and video data, much as we saw in the case

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Speaker 2: his wife, Connecticut missing mom of five, Jennifer Dulos. That said,

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Speaker 2: what about evidence that's missing and how was the state

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Speaker 1: First of all this.

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Speaker 4: One of the items in Colberger's apartment sparks the significant

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Speaker 4: Investigators believe Coburger then disposed of both the uniform and

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Speaker 1: And not just that missing work suit, but also this listen.

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Speaker 10: Investigators have receipts proving that Coberger purchases both the k

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Speaker 2: Okay, everybody, we got to circle back to bodies of

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Speaker 2: and b that Dickie's uniform. Straight out to Howard Bloom,

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Speaker 2: author of When the Night Comes Falling, an amazing book

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Speaker 2: full of intense research on coburger. What do you make

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Speaker 2: evidence is pretty strong in that he buys this uniform

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Speaker 2: prior to the murders. Why that's not what he wears

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Speaker 2: And a clothing tag? The tag is found lying on

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Speaker 7: Where is it exactly? I mean, this shows his planning

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Speaker 7: And that also goes back to what you were talking

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Speaker 7: believes that he's going to outsmart everyone. You can't find

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Speaker 2: You know, Tracy Brown joining me, high profile body language expert.

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Speaker 2: I just want to point one thing out. I got

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Speaker 1: Why they got the tag out?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I have to cut the tag out of every

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Speaker 2: You'll have not only a receipt, but there'll be a

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Speaker 1: It could be that tag that said this one.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about, Tracy, the fact

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Speaker 2: Who does that, I mean, who keeps those things together?

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Speaker 2: I find that very very unusual. But it goes to

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Speaker 2: what Bloom was just saying. The author of the new

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Speaker 1: Well, this is the.

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Speaker 6: Only way he can feel emotion in his life, right,

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Speaker 6: this is his moment, this is his Olympics. He has

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Speaker 6: He can't do feelings and he's trying as hard as

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Speaker 1: Out of life. Well, you know what's interesting.

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Speaker 2: Also following up on Tracy to Brian Stewart, high profile

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Speaker 2: had a client and then just immediately, thinking of Robert

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Speaker 2: Blake and all of his henchmen, they actually made out

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Speaker 2: remember when all they had on their list that they

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Speaker 2: needed to get rid of Bonnie Lee Bakley's body. But

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Speaker 2: have you ever had a client planned so much that

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Speaker 2: the planning became the proof, The list, the receipt, the tag,

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Speaker 2: the Amazon order for the k bar knife, you know,

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Speaker 2: the Dicky's uniform, just everything turning the phone off ahead

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Speaker 1: Back on and route home.

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Speaker 2: It's just so much planning, and the trail becomes the

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Speaker 1: The evidence becomes the evidence. Absolutely.

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Speaker 5: I've never experienced that personally with a client, but when

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Speaker 5: you see someone planning that systematically to avoid getting caught,

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Speaker 5: that can become evidence that.

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Speaker 1: They did do it.

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Speaker 5: When there's all this evidence, like the knife and the

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Speaker 5: work uniform that were purchased, but now I have disappeared,

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Speaker 5: and it's you know, it is troubling and he should

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Speaker 2: You know, to just Scott Morgan, you and I have

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Speaker 2: talked about this fixed blade knife many many times. We

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Speaker 2: We found the sheath under one of the victim's dead bodies.

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Speaker 2: But the knife, of all things, goes missing. You know,

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Speaker 1: I can tell you right now where that thing is.

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Speaker 2: Why would you buy a k bar knife that matches

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Hey, let's talk about the dickies real quick, because

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Speaker 9: that's that's key here. I think Nancy. What if Liz

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Speaker 9: the Dickies' coveralls. What's it missing that you would see

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Speaker 9: you know. And I'm thinking, you know, I've always kind

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Speaker 9: almost like a drama that's being played out. When he

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Speaker 9: normally think. I mean, hell, these things are made for

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Speaker 9: the Marine Corps, Nancy. They have all kinds of places

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Speaker 9: order to secure it, he failed in that one area, Nancy.

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Speaker 9: And it's always been fascinating to me. And the fact

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Speaker 9: there's been all kinds of theories put forward about, well,

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Speaker 9: and they are, by far even compared to shotgun wounds,

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Speaker 9: the thought that there was not an element of biological

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Speaker 2: We haven't even gotten to the shoes. But hey, hey,

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Speaker 2: hold the thought. I got to tell you something very quickly.

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Speaker 2: You know, you said, you just said, did he put

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Speaker 2: How did he keep the car pristine? I'll tell you how.

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Speaker 2: Joe Scott, you probably hear this before you fall asleep

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Speaker 2: look at his track record. If you don't know what

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Speaker 2: he's going to do, look at what he's done. Howard Bloom,

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Speaker 2: Remember when Coburger was arrested in the family home near

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Speaker 1: What was he doing.

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Speaker 2: He was standing there either in shorts or underwear with

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Speaker 2: he was in two separate plastic bags, right, Howard, exactly.

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Speaker 7: And this shows the planning, the methodicalness that went into this.

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Speaker 7: He thought he was going to be the criminology student

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Speaker 7: He would still be able to return to Washington State

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Speaker 1: Hey, Chris McDonald, director Cole Case Foundation, jump in. I

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Speaker 1: think I heard you.

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Speaker 3: But you know, Nancy, let's go back to the clothing

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Speaker 3: for a second, and let's just talk about the removal

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Speaker 3: So if he had thought through this, you know, this

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Speaker 3: It was a jacket and a homicide that I had,

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Speaker 2: Hold everything, Joe Scott Morgan. What he is saying leads

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Speaker 2: What is the state doing because we keep hearing the

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Speaker 1: You're not giving me.

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Speaker 2: The evidence, because they're still amassing the evidence. And I

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Speaker 2: And we were earlier talking to Tracy Brown about his behavior,

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Speaker 2: could be traced back to a lot, l ot a

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Speaker 1: He's right, Just what if just go with me on this.

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Speaker 2: What if we could trace back to that particular Walmart

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Speaker 2: and catch Coburger getting it, see him on surveillance video,

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Speaker 2: I mean, and.

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Speaker 1: Then what became of it? Where did it go? Just

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Speaker 2: Now, okay, hold that thought. And what about the shoes?

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Speaker 2: You said, we haven't even gotten to the shoes. Well,

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Speaker 2: I hadn't even thought about the shoes except he may

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Speaker 9: Surgery, yeah, or shoe covers. And if I could just

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Speaker 9: a long long time, Nancy, I've participated or assisted in

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Speaker 9: over seven thousand autopsies. You know what I always had

438
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Speaker 9: on my feet shoe covers, and the reason you have

439
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Speaker 9: shoe covers. And I don't want to be too graphic here,

440
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Speaker 9: but there's a lot of blood spilled at autopsies and

441
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Speaker 9: it just saturates everything, supersaturates everything. And the idea that

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Speaker 9: he could have potentially have gone into this environment committed

443
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Speaker 9: this heinous crime, and from what we understand, at least

444
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Speaker 9: at this point, it is very brutal. There will be

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Speaker 9: blood evidence, if not on the bottom of the shoes,

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Speaker 9: certainly on the tops. So what became of the footwear?

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Speaker 9: You know, early own we heard we heard a comment

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Speaker 9: about van shoes or vans that turned out, you know,

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Speaker 9: I don't know if they dismissed that or whatever the

450
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Speaker 9: case was. I heard that there were people that occupied

451
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Speaker 9: that house that had vans. But I've always wondered about

452
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Speaker 9: the shoes where they also tossed away along with gloves

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Speaker 9: and this dicky and the knife in some area where

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Speaker 9: they taken to the river and tossed in there. Or

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Speaker 9: is it or the Albertson's which I was kind of

456
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Speaker 9: fascinated by as well. Why not just toss it in

457
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Speaker 9: the dumpster at a grocery store like that where it's

458
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Speaker 9: not going to be tracked necessarily.

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Speaker 8: Everything that I've seen to date is concerning to me

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Speaker 8: because it's exclavatory, and I want, I need to clarify

461
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Speaker 8: this when all of the writers are produced and the

462
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Speaker 8: dust settles and I have time to review it. Preserve

463
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Speaker 8: the right to say, you know, now I'm seeing everything.

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Speaker 8: Here's what I'm seeing.

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Speaker 2: There may be a very good reason the defense has

466
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Speaker 2: not seen all the scientific evidence yet because the state

467
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Speaker 2: is still amassing evidence.

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Speaker 1: What is it? Will it be the nail in.

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Speaker 2: Coburger's coffin for the brutal quadruple sleigh of four Beautiful

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Speaker 2: University Idaho students, for instance?

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 10: Since a broad gag order was enacted in the case,

473
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Speaker 10: the public has not learned of any evidence against Brian

474
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Speaker 10: Coberger outside of that listed in the probable cause affidavit.

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Speaker 10: A search for in return from Coberger's apartment revealed several

476
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Speaker 10: items receives that may prove damning for the accused killer.

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Speaker 10: Eight human hairs and one suspected animal hair were taken

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Speaker 10: from the apartment, along with cuttings from bedding with possible bloodstains.

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Speaker 10: Investigators also found black nitral gloves and took a fire,

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Speaker 10: TV device and computer.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Scott Morgan joining me along with Howard Bloom, Brian Stewart,

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Speaker 2: Chris McDonough, and Tracy Brown. When we get through this,

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Speaker 2: I want to go through video that Chris mcdonna has

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Speaker 2: made himself going through the inns and the outs of

485
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Speaker 2: the area. It's amazing everything falls into place when you

486
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Speaker 2: can see it for yourself.

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Speaker 1: I learned that out in Idaho.

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Speaker 2: So just Scott Morgan joining US Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University.

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Speaker 2: Animal hair, Did I hear animal hair? What about the

490
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Speaker 2: dog in the apartment? If what if just think about it,

491
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Speaker 2: that animal hair that was seized matches back to the

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Speaker 2: dog at the murder scene.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, wouldn't that be something you begin to think about

494
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Speaker 9: species specifically breed when you think about the dog that

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Speaker 9: was there at the crime scene. There's a lot of

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Speaker 9: people that have held that certainly, and I think our

497
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Speaker 9: good friend Cheryl Mack has talked about was there any

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Speaker 9: contact trace evidence left for perhaps on that cop how

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Speaker 9: well was it secured at that particular time. But you know,

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Speaker 9: when you think about him, it goes back to the

501
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 9: card's principle. Every contact leaves a trace. Did he contact

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Speaker 9: that hair the dog is shedding? It winds up on

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Speaker 9: his clothing, he goes back, or on him, on his

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Speaker 9: hands or somewhere. You never know. It could have contacted

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Speaker 9: his face for all we know. Did he go back

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Speaker 9: and then it was deposited at that location. All of

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Speaker 9: these things have to be considered.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories.

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Speaker 2: With Nancy Grace, what more evidence is a state amassing?

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 11: Part of the hearing on the fourteenth is to talk

512
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Speaker 11: about the different parts of that video that we've received

513
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Speaker 11: and how we need the whole contacts. This is the

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Speaker 11: video that they say places this car near the residence.

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Speaker 11: We've received little tiny pieces of we think Brian's right

516
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Speaker 11: to a fair trial.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the public needs to.

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Speaker 11: Know that they've withheld the audio from a great portion

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Speaker 11: of that. And then it starts a long time before.

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Speaker 2: The little clip that we've received, the little clip that

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Speaker 2: we've received. Okay, Control room, could I get you to

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Speaker 2: roll Chris McDonough's video his drive through all around the

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Speaker 2: area where the crime was committed. Okay, Chris, go ahead

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Speaker 2: and explain what we're seeing right now.

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Speaker 3: So what we're seeing here, Nancy, is the road that

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Speaker 3: runs parallel to the residents, and you could obviously see

527
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Speaker 3: this was taken on Thanksgiving Day the police had still

528
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Speaker 3: had this area secured. And then this is behind the

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Speaker 3: house looking to the neighbors to the left, which if

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Speaker 3: you were looking at the back there one area that

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Speaker 3: struck me here is this window here underneath that window

532
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Speaker 3: there is a like a cinder block. You can see

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Speaker 3: it right there. My initial impression was, if this guy

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Speaker 3: was pre incident a surveillance of this house and he

535
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 3: had these tendencies like a peeping tom, is he using

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Speaker 3: that almost like a bench right to sit there to

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Speaker 3: look through the windows those types of things, And of

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00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 3: course that's just a theory. We don't know that. But

539
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Speaker 3: at the same time, I always thought this was the

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Speaker 3: most logical area that this guy would make the entry

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Speaker 3: into the house through that sliding glass door on the

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Speaker 3: back patio.

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Speaker 2: And also the video that you amassed also of the

544
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 2: drive thood through the area in the snow, and you

545
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 2: went very slowly up and down all the winding streets,

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Speaker 2: and I recall seeing the gas station over on the

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Speaker 2: left of your video, Chris McDonough. That leads me to

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Speaker 2: the car. That's where the clerk was with the car

549
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: whizzed by and we got that video. Now I believe Chris,

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Speaker 2: that there's going to be a montage video evidence placing

551
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 2: that Elantra all around the area. For instance, we heard

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Speaker 2: that he stopped into Kate's Cup of Joe. Is he

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Speaker 2: on video? Is his car on video? And I think

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Speaker 2: the state is going to put together a montage video

555
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Speaker 2: that's not ready yet because there's still amassing it.

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Speaker 1: What about it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I totally agree with you, Nancy. There is

558
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Speaker 3: so much work that still needs to be done. And

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Speaker 3: you've been there, you stood, you know where I where

560
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Speaker 3: I should and looked into that house and he is

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Speaker 3: Remember we forget that his background was to kind of

562
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Speaker 3: teach the police about technology. So I would submit at

563
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Speaker 3: this point the authorities are going, Okay, this guy thinks

564
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Speaker 3: this way, So what kind of risk is he going

565
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 3: to lower for himself to commit this crime?

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Speaker 9: Correctly?

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Speaker 3: And if you drive through the town itself, there are

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Speaker 3: videos on those businesses all over the place, evident to

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Speaker 3: the fact we have the victims walking back from the

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Speaker 3: bar and they're caught on video. Well, I would submit

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Speaker 3: to you he is aware of all of those pieces

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Speaker 3: of you know, potential evidence that could throw him under

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Speaker 3: the bush. And the car in of itself. You know,

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Speaker 3: the Idaho Department of Transportation would have access to a

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Speaker 3: lot of cameras. I know there's been some you know,

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Speaker 3: according to some of the information that I've received, that

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Speaker 3: he's not on a whole bunch of stuff. And the

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Speaker 3: stuff that they're showing us today, they're they're pretty they're

579
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Speaker 3: pretty solid in their feeling that this is him traveling

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Speaker 3: through those roads.

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Speaker 2: I guarantee you about trial time, there's going to be

582
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Speaker 2: a video montage of Kyburger on his route leaving the house,

583
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Speaker 2: driving to the house, and that wh Elantra is going

584
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 2: to pop up in multiple videos. Also that leads me

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Speaker 2: to the conclusion that authorities are looking along that route

586
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Speaker 2: right now for the murder weapon.

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Speaker 12: As Brian Coberger's trial approaches and Taylor will do everything

588
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Speaker 12: she can to take the death penalty off the table,

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Speaker 12: many predict that Taylor will use the same tactics cult

590
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Speaker 12: mom Lorie Valo's team employed to escape the death penalty.

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Speaker 12: In Valo Dabell's case, prosecutors were barred from pursuing the

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Speaker 12: punishment when the court found they had failed to turn

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Speaker 12: over all discovery to the defense. And Taylor may argue

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Speaker 12: that the cell phone data collected by investigators is unreliable

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Speaker 12: and attack the DNA found on the knife sheath.

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Speaker 2: We know those attacks aren't going to happen on the evidence.

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Speaker 2: But Will and Taylor take a page out of cultman

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Speaker 2: Laurie Valo's lawyers and claim discovery wasn't handed out in time,

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Speaker 2: and therefore the death penalty must be taken off the table.

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Speaker 2: What evidence is it that the state is amassing? Trials

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Speaker 2: strategy straight out to Howard Bloom joining us, author of

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Speaker 2: When the Night Comes falling?

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Speaker 1: What do you make of what you are hearing?

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Speaker 7: Well, what I've been hearing all along is that the

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Speaker 7: state has been deliberately delaying things. I mean, the defense

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Speaker 7: has a very good case that the state has taken

607
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Speaker 7: way too long to amass all this evidence.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, did you not hear anything we're saying?

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Speaker 2: The state is very likely still amassing evidence as we speak.

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Speaker 1: So how can they hand it over when they don't

611
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Speaker 1: have it yet?

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Speaker 7: I disagree, I disagree, I disagree. How long does it

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Speaker 7: take to amass all this evidence. We're talking about a

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Speaker 7: year and a half on an important case, and they

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Speaker 7: have all this task force working plus defense and they

616
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Speaker 7: can't get it together in time. They are dragging their heels.

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Speaker 7: They're not showing the professionalism necessary.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's go forward with that. Brian C. Stewart.

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Speaker 2: I know you've tried a lot of cases, but I

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Speaker 2: have had cases where there actually.

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Speaker 1: Was newly discovered evidence.

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Speaker 2: And if you're talking about using satellites or a massing

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Speaker 2: video from different stores, still looking for the murder weapons,

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Speaker 2: still trying to triangulate cell phone data, I mean that

625
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Speaker 2: takes a long time. I mean I understand people that

626
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Speaker 2: are not familiar with the technicalities of a massing cell

627
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Speaker 2: phone data and video data. It doesn't happen overnight.

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Speaker 5: Brian, absolutely, And we don't know that they are still

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Speaker 5: asking more cell phone data or DNA data or surveillance data.

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Speaker 5: But they said that they've turned over everything that they have.

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Speaker 9: To date, and even if they have done.

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Speaker 5: That, they'll continue to investigate and try to run down

633
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Speaker 5: loose ends all the way until tryal Well.

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Speaker 2: Bottom line, Chris McDonald, based on your drive through, they

635
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Speaker 2: have a lot of territory to cover if they're looking

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Speaker 2: for video of that.

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Speaker 1: Elantra agreed. Disagree, Yeah, absolutely, PC.

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Speaker 3: I agree that they're looking for video of that data

639
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Speaker 3: and they have to connect those thoughts back to him.

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00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 3: So yeah, the investigation is still fluid, it's moving.

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Speaker 2: Just Scott Morgan, just in one last example, a data dump,

642
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Speaker 2: a data dump of all the cell phones that were

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Speaker 2: in use in that area at that time. Now we

644
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: know he cut a cell phone off, but leading up

645
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Speaker 2: to that and immediately following that, how long does that

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Speaker 2: take to a mass thousands and thousands of cell phone entries?

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Speaker 9: Doesn't take this long? And that's the big that's the

648
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Speaker 9: big ask here. I don't understand why it has taken

649
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Speaker 9: so long relative to the digital data. And also you

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Speaker 9: need to CCTV data.

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Speaker 2: Scott, were you not watching the Alex Murdad case. Were

652
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Speaker 2: you and I watching two different trials when Alex Murdaud

653
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Speaker 2: was prosecuted for double murder Because the state started trying

654
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Speaker 2: day one to get the NAV system data out of

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Speaker 2: Alex Mrnagg's car and they went round and I think

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Speaker 2: it was with GM what they went through. I mean,

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Speaker 2: can you imagine taking on GM to get that data.

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Speaker 2: How do I know that's not what they're looking at

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Speaker 2: right now. I don't think they're dragging their feet. I

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Speaker 2: think they're still working. Seriously.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm not saying they're dragging their feet. However, I

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Speaker 9: don't understand why it is taking so long, and with

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Speaker 9: the Elantra, with if there is a system on board

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Speaker 9: in this particular model, how long does it take to

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Speaker 9: process all of that data? And they might be trying

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Speaker 9: to correlate it also with the cell data that they have.

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Speaker 1: Nancy, Yeah, jump in, you know.

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Speaker 3: I think there's a semantic share of necessarily to necessarily

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Speaker 3: understand they have a mass to data. It's processing the

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Speaker 3: data that takes all the time, and that's what the

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Speaker 3: delay is.

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Speaker 2: I would submit we wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace

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Speaker 2: signing off, goodbye friend,