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Speaker 1: Radio one O Lemon Production, Season five, Episode fourteen, Say Something?
Speaker 1: What an episode? I am joined by my intrepid crew,
Speaker 1: Tarus Food, Daniel Romo, and Santa Monica and Amy Sugarman
Speaker 1: representing Lake Tahoe. Ladies welcome, say something, don't speak.
Speaker 3: I just want to know how y'all feel about that episode.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it was a home run.
Speaker 1: I think it was I agree big, I agree big
Speaker 1: home run.
Speaker 3: Raise your hand if you cried?
Speaker 1: What did I get a little for clemped?
Speaker 3: Did you?
Speaker 1: Who got for clemped?
Speaker 4: Why did I not think it was emotional? In the slightest?
Speaker 3: What really talking about?
Speaker 1: I thought Lauren gave a knockout performance in this agree
Speaker 1: she did some very very detailed, very difficult work.
Speaker 4: I'm just very much on Luke's page. So for me,
Speaker 4: it's like, sorry, girlfriend, I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 3: You messed it up?
Speaker 1: She did? I agree with you there, she messed it up.
Speaker 4: I don't feel sad about it.
Speaker 3: What I feel devastated about it?
Speaker 4: For me, I'm kind of like, you go, Luke. You
Speaker 4: you stand your ground and you do your thing, because
Speaker 4: what happened, like you didn't deserve any of that.
Speaker 1: It Luke's the one that got Ama got wounded deepest,
Speaker 1: don't you think. I mean, imagine being him in that
Speaker 1: scenario when he hears all those horrible things coming out
Speaker 1: of Christopher's mouth at a certain point, It's like it
Speaker 1: was like this perfect storm of bad for Luke sitting here,
Speaker 1: sitting there hearing that and what these people really think
Speaker 1: of him. I mean, he must have felt so low
Speaker 1: and so used and so abused that it was and he's.
Speaker 4: Been waiting forever for this. That's the worst part too,
Speaker 4: Like he has been in her corner since the beginning
Speaker 4: of time and has been waiting for this moment he
Speaker 4: finally gets his shot at being in a relationship with Lorlai,
Speaker 4: and there's all these external forces making it not happen.
Speaker 4: You know, it's just like including Lorelai, like she's you know,
Speaker 4: throwing fuel on the fire too.
Speaker 3: So here's my question for you guys. And I know
Speaker 3: this is going to be like unpopular opinion that everyone
Speaker 3: like attacks me of the crimes that were committed. Do
Speaker 3: we agree hers was the least?
Speaker 4: Yes? Sure?
Speaker 1: No, why do is? Why is hers the least?
Speaker 3: Because hey, what Christopher did was horrific. What Emily did
Speaker 3: was exponentially horrific. Lorala I omitted, we can say omitted lied.
Speaker 3: She didn't essentially though, to protect Luke's feelings. It was wrong.
Speaker 1: No, No, I mean I did it to avoid the
Speaker 1: drama for herself.
Speaker 4: She literally did it for herself.
Speaker 1: Okay, So let me ask you guys that your opinion
Speaker 1: is she is her heart a little bit with Christopher.
Speaker 1: I know that night she sort of ended it and
Speaker 1: get away from me and all. But before that even happened, Yes,
Speaker 1: before Emily you know scheme right, And that's and that's
Speaker 1: what I think hit Luke in the face the hardest. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's like your heart, your heart, there's a part of
Speaker 1: you that is always going to be with him.
Speaker 5: Well, even in the episode, Laura I said that I'll
Speaker 5: never speak to him again, and Luke is like that
Speaker 5: it's not possible, Like it's it's your daughter's father.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Luke is very clear headed about the situation. He's very clear,
Speaker 3: like you can't forget about him completely, and he's very
Speaker 3: almost unemotional, where I sort of wish he'd let his
Speaker 3: love for her come up a little bit, because I
Speaker 3: do think they could have worked it out in the moment.
Speaker 3: I actually think they could have worked it out when
Speaker 3: he was at the house. But we'll get to that.
Speaker 3: He's being very pragmagical. Logical's right word. Yeah, I mean, Scott,
Speaker 3: are you with Luke or do you? Were you screaming
Speaker 3: like Luke? Just take her back, accept her apology. I
Speaker 3: want to know where you felt.
Speaker 1: I've been in that situation. That's how you react. That's
Speaker 1: it's overwhelming to be in that situation and have all
Speaker 1: that information hit you in the face like that, and
Speaker 1: it's it feels so I mean, if you have any
Speaker 1: kind of issues where you know, I don't know, Well,
Speaker 1: I don't want to get to psychological.
Speaker 3: There, but no do.
Speaker 1: He felt completely erased. He felt insignificant and small, and
Speaker 1: he didn't even guarder enough respect from Laura Lei to
Speaker 1: clue him in on what she did with Christopher that
Speaker 1: night and to make you know, just just to you know,
Speaker 1: just to I mean, she she made it into something
Speaker 1: it didn't need to be. Yeah, and it was her fault,
Speaker 1: her back that's it.
Speaker 4: And the worst part is that she also said that she,
Speaker 4: if I'm recalling this correctly, that she would she was
Speaker 4: only telling him because Christopher was there, right, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean? So like that was also a part
Speaker 4: that's like, oh, so you weren't going to tell him anyways.
Speaker 1: That's why it's almost like somebody trying to make a
Speaker 1: pack with you. Somebody's so desperate, like, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: i'm your friend and I'm cashing in all my chips here,
Speaker 1: but can you save my ass in this situation with you? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's just so bad.
Speaker 1: It's such a bad look.
Speaker 3: The problem for Lorla is that she did it twice.
Speaker 3: That's really my problem is, like because I really can
Speaker 3: fight for her, and I actually can defend it, and
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff was Christopher and Emily and not
Speaker 3: her and circumstantial, like, but she did it twice. She
Speaker 3: did it with the lunch, which she then told him,
Speaker 3: and he really took it well and it hurt him,
Speaker 3: but he kind of rose above and then she's done
Speaker 3: it again. It's like she didn't learn anything from the
Speaker 3: first time that she hurt him.
Speaker 4: Here's a question, do you think that it would have
Speaker 4: been as bad all the Christopher stuff that happened in
Speaker 4: the last episode. If Lorala had told Luke about this,
Speaker 4: about their hangout in it the day that she was hungover,
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 5: It would be a completely different situation.
Speaker 4: I think it would be a different situation too. And
Speaker 4: so you know, like in that moment when Christopher went
Speaker 4: on his like what Emily blah blah blah, I think
Speaker 4: Luke would have been a little bit more like, well,
Speaker 4: at least my girl is on my set, that's right,
Speaker 4: you know, I totally agree with you.
Speaker 3: I think it would have been Luke and Loreli against
Speaker 3: the world at that point, but they would have been,
Speaker 3: you know, locked arms, they would have been against Emily,
Speaker 3: And maybe Luke would have felt differently about when Laura
Speaker 3: Li said I'm just gonna have nothing to do with them.
Speaker 3: Luke maybe would have said, all right, let's we're going
Speaker 3: to be in it together and we'll figure this out together.
Speaker 1: But I think Luke and I think that's what a
Speaker 1: lot of guys tend to do when they meet people
Speaker 1: and they don't have a tremendous amount offer coming from
Speaker 1: their side in terms of family and cousins and friends
Speaker 1: and all that they try to pull the woman into
Speaker 1: their world and like, walk away from your world. Let's
Speaker 1: create our own world and we'll be safe inside of
Speaker 1: our little bubble. I don't And Luke didn't do that.
Speaker 1: He accommodated her at every turn. He was willing to
Speaker 1: show up here and there, even though he didn't want
Speaker 1: to show up at Emily's house or whatever for whatever function.
Speaker 1: Here and there, he took all the slings and arrows right,
Speaker 1: all the insults coming from Richard and all the dismissive stuff.
Speaker 1: And oh, Luke, I didn't even see you there. I mean,
Speaker 1: you just want to smack somebody at that point. I mean, really,
Speaker 1: this is this is how you're going to talk to
Speaker 1: this guy. And and it's just so odd that she's
Speaker 1: so militantly against her mother. And we're done, and then
Speaker 1: you know Christopher and she and her heart is still
Speaker 1: with Christopher. I understands, you know, the father of their
Speaker 1: child and all that, but you know, the guy, I think,
Speaker 1: over a sixteen year period, is demonstrated that he's just
Speaker 1: not up for the job.
Speaker 3: I think like her brain knows he's a mess and
Speaker 3: bad and this was bad, but it's like her heart
Speaker 3: is connected to him she can't help it. That being said,
Speaker 3: I think her heart is much more with Luke. Obviously
Speaker 3: the pain she's in I could feel it through this episode.
Speaker 1: But it's got to be trust or else what do
Speaker 1: you have?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. In your heart, it's going to be.
Speaker 1: There can't be any doubt, you know. And it's just like,
Speaker 1: and especially something that intense coming from him, he's waited
Speaker 1: that long and he's right. He's this particular guy and
Speaker 1: loves her to the ends of the earth and was
Speaker 1: always a great loyal friend and now he's even a
Speaker 1: better man with her went now that yeare together, and
Speaker 1: it's just all great. And he's just he's an all
Speaker 1: in guy. He's like an all or nothing guy.
Speaker 3: It's yes, it's almost like she's saying, I'm all in.
Speaker 1: It's recipation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's saying it in desperation, but I'm all in.
Speaker 3: I'm all in. Like, but it's like, if you were
Speaker 3: all in, then this never would have happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, what's your code? You have no code?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So so here's my question. And I know we
Speaker 3: need to go through it in order. But the thing
Speaker 3: that was so telling for me or relatable was Luke's
Speaker 3: way of dealing with it. I need space, I turned,
Speaker 3: he turned his phone off, he went to the movie.
Speaker 3: He needs time, and she is just like I would be.
Speaker 3: We need to talk about it now. Can we please
Speaker 3: talk about it now? I need to fix this. I
Speaker 3: need to fix this up. Like if we just talk
Speaker 3: about it, if you just listen to me, I can
Speaker 3: fix this. I can fix this. Just the desperation and
Speaker 3: the message she left was just like hashtag relatable.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I felt like I was watching me and my husband,
Speaker 4: like I thought I was watching my own relationship on TV.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh God, who's who?
Speaker 4: Oh I'm more that's.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about it.
Speaker 4: I'm here to talk about it all day long. And
Speaker 4: my husband's like I need I need to be away
Speaker 4: from you for it least an hour.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean it was so relatable. And I don't
Speaker 3: know if that's because Amy and Dan just can write
Speaker 3: men and women so well or what wait, speaking of
Speaker 3: we just saw a note that we haven't even done
Speaker 3: this anop.
Speaker 1: System, you know what? I think Amy and Dan wrote
Speaker 1: their own relationship. Yeah, because I think the relationship, or
Speaker 1: a large percent of relationships go through this is she Lauralish.
Speaker 1: I think she's Parish.
Speaker 3: I don't expect that.
Speaker 1: I don't either, And I think I think I think
Speaker 1: Dan is a Kirk Doyle.
Speaker 3: Really, so you see more similarities in that relationship than
Speaker 3: Luke and Lauraai.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's what it is.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, no way, that's cool.
Speaker 3: That's pretty cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I like that.
Speaker 3: That makes that spinoff idea you had of them even
Speaker 3: more interesting. Wow. Okay, we twenty minutes in. We better
Speaker 3: read the synopsis.
Speaker 4: All right? This is season five, episode fourteen, Say Something,
Speaker 4: Air date February fifteenth, two thousand and five. After all
Speaker 4: the drama at the wedding, Loralai tries to find Luke
Speaker 4: to apologize, but he needs time to process what happened.
Speaker 4: After Loralai keeps pushing him, he finally decides her family
Speaker 4: and history maybe too much for him.
Speaker 3: She takes to.
Speaker 4: Her bed to wallow, where Rory tends to her needs
Speaker 4: and the town takes sides.
Speaker 3: Oh so, two quick notes. I want to see what
Speaker 3: you guys think. Number One, Normally those last week on
Speaker 3: Gilmore Girls or previously on Gilbirls are kind of like whatever,
Speaker 3: But this one I was like ten out of ten.
Speaker 4: The Reah was well, I feel like because they kind
Speaker 4: of showed, you know, like right, like, they show what
Speaker 4: happened that led into this episode.
Speaker 3: They picked the perfect moments.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was They kind of did this in the
Speaker 4: beginning of the season with.
Speaker 3: The story stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Dean, you know, like it was like a kind
Speaker 4: of a redo of that. I liked it a lot.
Speaker 3: And the thing that I loved the most is that
Speaker 3: the episode began exactly to the moment where the one
Speaker 3: before had ended. I mean literally they just turned the
Speaker 3: camera and that was obviously. I want to know, did
Speaker 3: you film it all as one? But I don't know, Scott,
Speaker 3: I don't know if you can remember, but it's.
Speaker 1: Like film at all as one?
Speaker 3: Like did you film the beginning of this episode when
Speaker 3: you filmed the end of the last one?
Speaker 1: Oh? Sure? Yeah, you don't want to go back to
Speaker 1: that location and spend all that money and exactly rent
Speaker 1: out the same location and just do it while you're there? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah. I just thought that was amazing, Like, so that
Speaker 3: to me was great. And then obviously we've got to
Speaker 3: spend most of our time talking about Lucan Laurlai. But
Speaker 3: I really thought Rory and Logan were really cute in
Speaker 3: this episode, which we'll get into. And I loved that
Speaker 3: Laura I and Rory had that moment, even despite all
Speaker 3: her despair, for her to say, it's all okay, like
Speaker 3: you didn't do anything. We're good, Logan, go find him.
Speaker 3: It's all like you've got nothing to worry about.
Speaker 1: It's really hard to be mad at Laura I. I mean,
Speaker 1: she's just it's she's trying to do the right thing
Speaker 1: all the way around, and she's just getting churned up
Speaker 1: and gosh, man, I mean she's she's anyway. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: let's let's stay on the topic. But I just it's
Speaker 1: just interesting how she's she's got so many irons in
Speaker 1: the fire emotionally all over the place.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she got five of them right now.
Speaker 1: I mean she's taken on a lot, and but she
Speaker 1: has the capacity for it. And I just, yeah, she
Speaker 1: mishandles one thing and it all blows up, and I
Speaker 1: kind of feel bad for now.
Speaker 3: Oh I'm heartbroken for the One thing I noticed on
Speaker 3: the fan comments is they always think we'd take it
Speaker 3: too easy on Rory, like we always are like, oh, Rory,
Speaker 3: it's fine that she was making out with the boy
Speaker 3: at her parents.
Speaker 2: She's in college.
Speaker 4: I feel like I feel like we didn't.
Speaker 3: But I half.
Speaker 4: And half yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean. The other thing that shocked me in the
Speaker 3: comments is the amount of people who did not like
Speaker 3: that dress that Laura I was wearing. Oh I was
Speaker 3: like ten out of ten. Oh my god. People hated it.
Speaker 3: They said it looked cheap. They didn't like the sequin thing.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I thought it was very Laurai
Speaker 4: and also very that moment in time, So you know,
Speaker 4: like two thousands.
Speaker 1: But for that occasion, is that inappropriate?
Speaker 3: You thought it was a little too sassy, kind of
Speaker 3: too sparkly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't think so I think I do.
Speaker 1: What do I know about fashion and what's appropriate to This.
Speaker 3: Is the thing after reading I read all the comments
Speaker 3: during the week, and then when I watched the episode,
Speaker 3: I was happy to see the dress again and say
Speaker 3: to myself, I still love this dress, Like this silver
Speaker 3: is so cool and she's so so pretty. She's so
Speaker 3: tall anyway, that that surprised me. And then it was
Speaker 3: just so painful, like there's literally no one there for
Speaker 3: her because she's done the right thing by saying to
Speaker 3: Rory go find Logan. I'm fine. You know, Luke's bringing
Speaker 3: the car around. Oh and then she's flying, asked the guy.
Speaker 3: She's just such a love.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: One thing that threw me, did you guys notice when
Speaker 3: the cab pulled up all of a sudden the town
Speaker 3: was fully decorated in lights. I didn't notice that, Like
Speaker 3: when did that happen?
Speaker 1: But whatever?
Speaker 3: How you guys though, what a moment for Caesar. That
Speaker 3: was fun.
Speaker 1: For Caesar in the background singing and dancing the.
Speaker 3: Biggest moments really in the series.
Speaker 1: It was so good. Lenny great that that was like
Speaker 1: that balloon moment that looks balloon moment with Rory floating.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, they do these beautiful yeah, oh god,
Speaker 1: that's just wonderful.
Speaker 3: And I do think it was very I don't know
Speaker 3: if comical is the right word, but very of the
Speaker 3: town to the minute they realize why are you dressed up?
Speaker 3: And not with Luke, like this is not good and
Speaker 3: that's just like uh.
Speaker 6: Oh immediately and even Caesar's like, why aren't what's going on?
Speaker 1: Like, let's shout out to Aris man.
Speaker 3: He killed totally funny, he nailed it.
Speaker 1: He nailed He's funny, isn't he.
Speaker 4: He's just so good and because they brought it back
Speaker 4: to Taylor like they were like, Taylor's going to think everybody.
Speaker 3: So I thought that whole part of it was brilliant,
Speaker 3: and I actually thought the ribbons were pretty brilliant and
Speaker 3: a little comic release and relief in what was just
Speaker 3: so heavy. But yeah, I agree Scott, like that was
Speaker 3: Caesar's moment because the background acting he had to do
Speaker 3: was Yeah. So anyway, so then we bump into Kirk
Speaker 3: and it's just like, oh god, it's just all a mess,
Speaker 3: like they all know things are not good. So before
Speaker 3: we get to that, we see Rory get back to
Speaker 3: Yale and wake up pair of which I thought was
Speaker 3: hilarious scene. She's all waited to deuce Sherlock bite me like
Speaker 3: I love it any messages and then you know she's like,
Speaker 3: what boy, are you waiting for a.
Speaker 5: Mass Yeah, like it's not her mom right like so,
Speaker 5: and then they played Boggle, So.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I loved it. I really, Paris is
Speaker 3: just growing on me completely.
Speaker 4: I agree, She's fun fun to watch it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So then we see Kirk just sweaty and what
Speaker 3: what game is he doing?
Speaker 4: Of course that that game does make you sweaty.
Speaker 5: I used to have the one at home, like you know,
Speaker 5: like the math, and that's a workout.
Speaker 3: And the whole thing, because obviously Luke is doing the
Speaker 3: same thing. Olura is not feeling well and then she's like, oh,
Speaker 3: I had a sniffles, but it went away, and I'm
Speaker 3: trying to find it's just the whole to do. And
Speaker 3: then they go into the movie theater, which was normally crowded,
Speaker 3: but somehow, first of all, every time I say Luke
Speaker 3: ten people, it's crowded. Every time my brain wants to
Speaker 3: say Luke. In this conversation we're having, I want to
Speaker 3: say Scott. I don't know why in this particular episode, Scott,
Speaker 3: you're so blurred to me with Luke more than anything
Speaker 3: in this one. I'm like, oh my god, I'm very confused.
Speaker 3: So if I say Scott, just forgive me. But I
Speaker 3: don't know it's Scott. Like if you were going through that,
Speaker 3: would you go and go to a movie alone? Like,
Speaker 3: how would you guys deal with this situation?
Speaker 1: Well? How many other places are there to go at
Speaker 1: night in that town? Anyway?
Speaker 3: True?
Speaker 1: To get away from his diner, Like his diner's probably
Speaker 1: the place to go but they shut down. What does
Speaker 1: he shut down at nine?
Speaker 3: It's not late to me too. It feels like it's
Speaker 3: a ten o'clock, eleven o'clock at.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So he's just you know, it was his one
Speaker 1: choice to just sort of be by himself.
Speaker 4: And a movie is a good a good idea because
Speaker 4: you have to put your phone away, you know, you're
Speaker 4: just like escape my phone, the escape into a film.
Speaker 3: Did anyone want him to forgive her as much as
Speaker 3: I did?
Speaker 5: I think I think I did agree, like he needs time,
Speaker 5: like maybe forgive her down the line, but not in
Speaker 5: this moment. Like I think that he needed me that time,
Speaker 5: and who knows if he would forgive her forgive her
Speaker 5: down the line, but I think in this moment, no.
Speaker 3: I just feel like the punishment is way worse than
Speaker 3: the crime here, I get it.
Speaker 4: I just I need Lorli to realize, like she can't
Speaker 4: keep doing this stuff, you know. So for me, it's
Speaker 4: kind of like, no, I want Luke to like have
Speaker 4: his moment right now and like show her that he
Speaker 4: deserves the respect and he deserves the right treatment and
Speaker 4: all that kind of stuff. And I'm like, so for me,
Speaker 4: I'm like, I mean, I hope down the road they
Speaker 4: work it out, but like right now I'm like totally
Speaker 4: okay with them not being in Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that the the incident, the quote unquote lie,
Speaker 1: the big lie, you know, that's that's life changing, that's
Speaker 1: earth shattering to her relationship and I And this to
Speaker 1: me feels like it's a big moment for both of
Speaker 1: them and he does need to process it and time
Speaker 1: does need to go by. I'm not talking weeks, I'm
Speaker 1: talking months. Oh oh no, because it's like he needs
Speaker 1: to really assess what if he can ever trust her again.
Speaker 1: It just it just hits every sour note in his soul,
Speaker 1: every fear was preyed upon, was realized in a relationship.
Speaker 1: It's like there's another guy involved. There's this this evil
Speaker 1: mother who's putting the the wimpy x you know, up
Speaker 1: to doing damage, and it's like he can't. It's like
Speaker 1: what am I? What am I doing here? What is?
Speaker 1: What is I don't have a chance in this family.
Speaker 1: There's there's a chance for me. And he gave his
Speaker 1: best for so many years. He just keeps giving his best.
Speaker 1: He's doing the best he can, being the assault of
Speaker 1: the earth guy, always reliable, always and and then this happens,
Speaker 1: and like you said, again, so it's a pattern.
Speaker 3: Now I just have so much compassion, probably because I
Speaker 3: just can relate to her so much as she is
Speaker 3: just an excruciating pain and she wants to fix it
Speaker 3: so bad. Absolutely wanted him to go all right, like
Speaker 3: and hug her and kiss her and be like we're fine.
Speaker 3: Just let's let's not lie to each other ever again,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: It's like he did it last time, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. And it's just like it's one of those
Speaker 4: things that this relationship is not just a Maxi Medina
Speaker 4: that she met at the at the school because it's
Speaker 4: Rory's teacher, you know, Like this is actually someone that
Speaker 4: has been in her life for a really long time.
Speaker 4: So if they're going to be taking a stab at
Speaker 4: this relationship, like to Taylor's credit, it has to work,
Speaker 4: you know, like it does and if it doesn't, then
Speaker 4: he's got to remove himself from that situation.
Speaker 1: Do you think that there's a part of Laurel I
Speaker 1: that feels like she can sort of compartmentalize her feelings
Speaker 1: towards Luke, Like here's friendship Luke before the relationship here's
Speaker 1: romantic Luke and you know, and it's it's like, do
Speaker 1: you think maybe she got confused in this moment, And
Speaker 1: it's like I can rely on friendship Luke not to
Speaker 1: care and just support me one hundred percent and be
Speaker 1: used to that. And now that the rules of change,
Speaker 1: the rule have changed, maybe she's not acknowledging that the
Speaker 1: rules have changed because she's so fond of both Luke's
Speaker 1: and this is obviously a new, fresh relationship, but she's
Speaker 1: been bonded with him as a friend.
Speaker 3: I didn't think of that, But that's a very interesting
Speaker 3: sort of angle there, that like, because this would have
Speaker 3: been really no big whoop if they were just friends.
Speaker 3: The other thing I think about.
Speaker 1: Would have been supportive and like stupid. You know.
Speaker 3: Loralai is sort of the bell of the ball, right,
Speaker 3: the queen of the town. Like she's sort of the ship, right,
Speaker 3: So I think sometimes she thinks she can get herself
Speaker 3: out of any mess, almost like I can't think of
Speaker 3: a good analogy. For some reason, Lucy came to mind,
Speaker 3: everything will be okay, is causing shenanigans, but in the
Speaker 3: end she can.
Speaker 1: Because she's so lovable, she's so fabulous and so glittera right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think this was a real life slap
Speaker 3: in the face or sort of awakening for her to realize, like,
Speaker 3: I can't just behave however I want to behave. I
Speaker 3: can't just go get drunk with Christopher and think it
Speaker 3: won't have ramifications. Yeah, she's a little bit of a
Speaker 3: sixteen year old I was just about thirty five year
Speaker 3: old body.
Speaker 5: It's kind of like she's where Rory. I mean, I
Speaker 5: feel like if Rory did this, we wouldn't be as
Speaker 5: hard on her. I mean, yes we would, because she's
Speaker 5: old enough. But this is Laura I were talking about.
Speaker 1: I think if this relationship were to have a second chance, right,
Speaker 1: if there was a reconciliation, I think too, they would
Speaker 1: have to sit down and really map out what's acceptable
Speaker 1: and what isn't in terms of Christopher, in terms of
Speaker 1: the family, I mean, really define it, you know, and
Speaker 1: have you know, not necessarily rules, But this is but expectations,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because I want to see
Speaker 1: them get back together. Obviously they feel very deeply for
Speaker 1: each other. They're really great together, and justifiably she's feeling
Speaker 1: all of this angst and she should came, but I
Speaker 1: think they need to map it out.
Speaker 3: Is there any okay? I have so many questions for
Speaker 3: you guys. Number one, it's almost like Lorla has never
Speaker 3: had to be accountable, if that's the right word to anyone.
Speaker 3: Like she always was sort of at odds with her
Speaker 3: parents and then she's been on her own since sixteen
Speaker 3: and the only person she really was accountable to was Rory,
Speaker 3: who she was taking care of, right, But she's never
Speaker 3: had to really yeah, Suki in a sense, but like
Speaker 3: even that relationship has troubles with like being fully transparent
Speaker 3: with each other, which we think about, like the arguments
Speaker 3: they had running the inn. It's like she's never had
Speaker 3: to know what it's like to treat someone with so
Speaker 3: much respect or put someone else above her, Like, am
Speaker 3: I crazy? Or am I sort of like.
Speaker 5: I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that makes sense to me. Yeah, so she is
Speaker 4: adjusting to that.
Speaker 3: So the other question I wanted to ask you guys,
Speaker 3: say that the crime, because I still think the punishment
Speaker 3: is a little worse than the crime, But say the
Speaker 3: crime is only that she never told Luke about the
Speaker 3: drunken night with Christopher and that she sprung it on
Speaker 3: and at the wedding, right, Pretend the rest of the
Speaker 3: bleep didn't hit the fan, meaning Rory never got caught
Speaker 3: like making out with Logan, Christopher never ran in, Christopher
Speaker 3: never spewed all that crap, And pretend Emily never did
Speaker 3: what she did. Right, Pretend none of that happened. Do
Speaker 3: we think Luke would have still been Eke, this gone
Speaker 3: this far? Would you have still broken up with Lorli
Speaker 3: over just the line?
Speaker 5: But are you saying that the thing before wouldn't have happened,
Speaker 5: that the lunch.
Speaker 3: The lunch happened, and this has happened, but none of
Speaker 3: the extra stuff, not Emily.
Speaker 1: I think that Yeah. I think that it would have
Speaker 1: been the same outcome. I think Luke would have been
Speaker 1: devastated and he would have taken his time and separated
Speaker 1: and really processed it, because that's what he does.
Speaker 3: I want. The thing is is that he thinks right.
Speaker 4: He like not flipped, but he like put on a
Speaker 4: brave face and like, you know, acted cool that whole
Speaker 4: night up until that very end. I don't think he
Speaker 4: would have broken up with her. I think he would
Speaker 4: have been like, hey, we need to talk about this
Speaker 4: and it cannot happen again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I think he.
Speaker 4: Would have been strict and stern and very like, you
Speaker 4: cannot do this again, you know, I'm annoyed.
Speaker 3: Can you all weigh in for Luke? Is he most
Speaker 3: upset about the lies or is it all of it
Speaker 3: that he's just like, yeah, all of it, it's all bad.
Speaker 5: But I think the lie is a big part of
Speaker 5: I think the lie is a big part of it though,
Speaker 5: But Scott, You're like.
Speaker 3: The.
Speaker 1: Lie is bad enough. And then he hears Christopher say,
Speaker 1: Emily put me up to this and we still have
Speaker 1: a chance, and Emily, you know, and Luke's garbage and yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like he's not one of us, and it Lukes
Speaker 1: just absorbing all this stuff.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think you're right. I think it all because it's so.
Speaker 1: Like anybody in their right mind would hear that and
Speaker 1: just say I'm at it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you had confidence, you would go, I don't
Speaker 3: need this.
Speaker 1: I'm better than this. Right.
Speaker 4: I think that everything that happened that night were valid
Speaker 4: fears of Luke's. Like Luke had all those things already
Speaker 4: in his mind. Emily doesn't like me. I'm not good
Speaker 4: enough for Emily or or Richard she's you know, does
Speaker 4: is there anything still with Christopher? Like do I need
Speaker 4: to worry about that? Like he had all those thoughts
Speaker 4: in his brain already, and that night, literally all those
Speaker 4: things slapped him across the face. Yeah, and that's when
Speaker 4: he literally was like, you know, these concerns I had
Speaker 4: that I was suppressing and trying to say, I'm going
Speaker 4: to give this relationship a shot and I trust Laurel, I,
Speaker 4: you know, to help me through this all came crumbling down.
Speaker 1: I mean, think of it like there, you know, his feeling,
Speaker 1: his feelings, his love for her, his devotion for her
Speaker 1: is like this sort of thread that is, you know,
Speaker 1: a thousand feet in the air, and he keeps walking
Speaker 1: out there and he lives on that thread for her,
Speaker 1: and he trusts her. Yeah, and her commitment to him
Speaker 1: is what in their mutual commitment keeps that thread st strong.
Speaker 1: And it just all got pulled out. It just dissolved,
Speaker 1: and he fell and he hid his head and he
Speaker 1: doesn't want to do it again. It's terrifying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he already was terrified anyway.
Speaker 1: But and he's and he's all we've seen that he's
Speaker 1: really good at being alone. Yeah, Yeah, he can handle it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, Scott, You're right.
Speaker 1: He can handle it, and right he might even prefer that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he but but he must have really, he must
Speaker 1: really love her to go out on that thread with
Speaker 1: her and like we can both do this, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna if you go back to your parents' house or
Speaker 1: you do this or that, I'm always gonna have We're
Speaker 1: always going to be holding hands on this thread. Its
Speaker 1: thread's going to be here for you. Don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: But then when she you lie like that, Wow, it
Speaker 1: goes away there. He has no there's no pathway back
Speaker 1: to her now. It doesn't matter how upset she gets.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, he knows, and he probably feels bad
Speaker 1: that she's upset. Obviously showed up over there. Yes he
Speaker 1: still cares about her, but as a romantic entanglement.
Speaker 3: Oh that I know we're going out of order, but
Speaker 3: I have to ask this, did any part of you
Speaker 3: want him to just when he went running over there
Speaker 3: as friend Luke, which I like how you're sort of
Speaker 3: describing that that to me was the moment for her
Speaker 3: instead of doing what she did where she's like this
Speaker 3: is my lowest low I'm crazy I'll never do it again.
Speaker 3: I get it, we can be done. What I wanted
Speaker 3: her to say was I made such a mistake, I
Speaker 3: will never do it again. I love you, And then
Speaker 3: I wanted him to reunite with her in that moment.
Speaker 3: I do think it was possible. Yes, you don't know
Speaker 3: that differently.
Speaker 1: Amy, You're like me. I believe in love. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think believe in the power love. If she had just
Speaker 1: expressed herself and opened her heart up, and I mean
Speaker 1: he could have seen her completely exposed, completely, yes, and
Speaker 1: showing the best part of herself to him, Yes, I
Speaker 1: am I think that, and he s would have done
Speaker 1: the same. He probably would have responded the same.
Speaker 3: I think you're right.
Speaker 1: I felt I'll tell you.
Speaker 3: I think that he was being very authentically Louke right,
Speaker 3: but she was not being authentic to herself. She suddenly
Speaker 3: became so embarrassed by her vulnerability that she did that
Speaker 3: sort of mass brave loralai thing she does where she's like,
Speaker 3: I'll never do it again. I'm humiliated.
Speaker 5: She bothers me that she made it about her, because
Speaker 5: like I think, at this moment, it's not about her,
Speaker 5: It's about and I think that's why like I think
Speaker 5: I was. I felt for her because I know she's
Speaker 5: in love with Luke, but I felt worse for Luke
Speaker 5: because she was like, this is my low. Well, clearly
Speaker 5: Luke is feeling low too.
Speaker 3: I was disappointed her in the end. I didn't mind
Speaker 3: the lora lie that was panicking and chasing him and
Speaker 3: saying how long. And I think the grocery store and
Speaker 3: the whole thing and the phone message. I related and
Speaker 3: support that one. I was disappointed in the way she
Speaker 3: acted at the end of this episode, when that was
Speaker 3: her moment. He was there. He was showing her, despite
Speaker 3: what you did, I still have your back. I came
Speaker 3: running over. I broke and he shut up. I showed up.
Speaker 3: I think that would she blew it more then than
Speaker 3: she did.
Speaker 1: She still had shot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he showed her you can, you can give give
Speaker 4: us a shot, and he went. He went percent of
Speaker 4: the way, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was pretty dis like that's I know people
Speaker 3: get very emotional over this episode, but my emotion is
Speaker 3: coming up now because I'm I'm so bummed the way
Speaker 3: she acted at the end. It's like, you love this guy,
Speaker 3: we get it, we saw your pain. You're in the bed,
Speaker 3: you're crying. The not just the performance was amazing, but
Speaker 3: I would believed it. I believed her pain. Then why
Speaker 3: did you do that? At the end, he came, he
Speaker 3: showed you you got a chance.
Speaker 4: Well, it's just funny because this whole episode she's like
Speaker 4: literally going after him right like, he's saying, I need time,
Speaker 4: I need time, and she's like, but let me fix it,
Speaker 4: let me do this, let me do that. And then
Speaker 4: at the end she's like, I heard you when you
Speaker 4: said you were out, and I'm going to respect that.
Speaker 3: It's like if she.
Speaker 1: If she doesn't know how to fix it and the
Speaker 1: fix is obvious, right, Yeah, then is that relationship a
Speaker 1: good idea to begin with? Maybe that's you know, you
Speaker 1: go through these things with people. They can be very
Speaker 1: intense and very passionate, and they can feel like forever,
Speaker 1: and then something happens where the rubber hits the road
Speaker 1: and the stuff hits the fan and you find out
Speaker 1: their character, you know, and one flash of a moment
Speaker 1: when and can it just can get all wiped away
Speaker 1: so quickly.
Speaker 4: And I didn't realize how much that last scene bothered
Speaker 4: me until now me too.
Speaker 3: I'm rarely disappointed in.
Speaker 1: Laura, and she made it about her, yeah, and her
Speaker 1: feelings toward him and what.
Speaker 5: Yeh, Because like when she was in bed, I felt
Speaker 5: bad for her and Rory comes like that part. I
Speaker 5: felt for her as like someone who's heartbroken. And as
Speaker 5: it went on, I was just like, I don't really
Speaker 5: feel as bad for her because there's it's there's two sides, right,
Speaker 5: I mean, sorry, there's two people in this relationship and
Speaker 5: you need equal sides to be way.
Speaker 3: To gather at the end too. That was her moment
Speaker 3: to like break down, like cry, be emotional, show him.
Speaker 1: Dement.
Speaker 4: She was like it was her time to say something,
Speaker 4: guys man speak out anything.
Speaker 1: That was the moment where she just pours it all out.
Speaker 3: And he just picks her up and she's already left
Speaker 3: this message. Then I actually didn't find the message that asinine.
Speaker 3: Like I was like, you know what, it's not your
Speaker 3: finest moment, but the message, but it's very Laurel.
Speaker 1: I Why wasn't she Why wasn't she happy when she
Speaker 1: saw him?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I would have been ecstatic and just
Speaker 3: had maybe.
Speaker 1: She just folded the tent and concede defeat and I'm
Speaker 1: going to respect you now.
Speaker 3: Yes, you came, he came. Luke came to your house
Speaker 3: that ending. Really, I was like, it tracks, that's very
Speaker 3: Loralai of what she did there at the end. But
Speaker 3: I'm like, you blew it now, girl, I'm not. I
Speaker 3: wasn't even that mad. I was the one defender of
Speaker 3: her lie. I'm like, I'm taking a lot of heat
Speaker 3: on Instagram for that, but was upsetting for me for her.
Speaker 3: I thought Luke was a ten out of ten. This
Speaker 3: guy has just once again proven how awesome he is
Speaker 3: and that he's so upset and hurt, but he still
Speaker 3: came running.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I care. That was probably my
Speaker 1: best shot to get on the poster, but it still
Speaker 1: didn't get me on the poster. And I showed my
Speaker 1: heart to the producers. So I'm like, I love you,
Speaker 1: I love That's give the poster.
Speaker 3: We do need to talk about the dolls.
Speaker 1: Want to get your salary.
Speaker 3: You were awesome this episode the poster. You were awesome
Speaker 3: in this episode. She was brilliant, but so were you.
Speaker 3: Like you two are so leveled up in this episode
Speaker 3: with like performances.
Speaker 1: You know what, thank you because I'll tell you the
Speaker 1: scene in Dosies Market I really like that scene. It
Speaker 1: was so good. I really liked Luke and he you know,
Speaker 1: he underplayed everything and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she overplayed it just like she needed to.
Speaker 1: But it was a god. We were so good together,
Speaker 1: weren't we.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that scene was so relatable and real because you
Speaker 3: were being you know, male, pretty male.
Speaker 1: About gonna say this, if these people don't get their
Speaker 1: acts together and do more episodes, they're insane. This is gold.
Speaker 1: This stuff is gold, and I.
Speaker 3: Think you could do it so much better this time.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Okay, let's talk about a little bit of
Speaker 3: a comic relief here. The doll party to me was amazing.
Speaker 3: It was net It did give me a bit of
Speaker 3: a breath to have Michelle and the woman with well
Speaker 3: it's six girls and six dolls, you know, and more
Speaker 3: Lin's just In and the little pancakes and Michelle is
Speaker 3: just like is she psychoedic?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: For me, that whole thing was really good. And then
Speaker 3: the fact that Loralai screwed up and did not that
Speaker 3: she she left up show up. Yeah, that's how devastated
Speaker 3: she was. Okay, I do think that we need to
Speaker 3: talk about Rory Logan because I think there's a lot
Speaker 3: to unpack, so have at it. Who wants to start?
Speaker 1: I mean he was just super cool and smooth like
Speaker 1: he is.
Speaker 4: And uh, the one thing that I will say is
Speaker 4: Logan in the last episode like clearly said I'm not
Speaker 4: going to give this to you, right, And so she's
Speaker 4: asking him to hang out. He invites her to a
Speaker 4: group hang where you know, a lot of people are there,
Speaker 4: and she's upset about it, and it's like.
Speaker 3: But at the end his explanation of it. Now, I
Speaker 3: don't know if you'd call that gas lighting or really
Speaker 3: kind of but his explanation, I was like, you had
Speaker 3: a point. Like I was like, you make a great point.
Speaker 3: He's like, so I had people over, but you want
Speaker 3: to hang out and I didn't want to tell you no.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he could have told her that on the phone.
Speaker 3: What he Yeah, he could have said, hey, there's.
Speaker 1: He was truly considerate. He would have said, listen him
Speaker 1: over here. Yeah, I'd love to hang over. You can
Speaker 1: come over, but you know, I'm playing poker with the
Speaker 1: fellows and there's a couple of girls here too, and like,
Speaker 1: come on over and hang if you want, but if
Speaker 1: you don't want to, we can do it another time.
Speaker 5: I do give I do give Rory some I think
Speaker 5: the reason why I give her some credit is because
Speaker 5: she's finally not just waiting around for people and like
Speaker 5: stepping up and like I feel like we saw her
Speaker 5: freshman year of college just like waiting around for Dean
Speaker 5: or you know. Now she's kind of just like that's
Speaker 5: the only thing I like about it. But I do.
Speaker 5: I do think it was kind of now that you said,
Speaker 5: I think it was a little bit of gas lighting.
Speaker 3: A little bit it was, but it was also it
Speaker 3: was also honest and it was very logan, but it
Speaker 3: was a true explanation where he was saying, like, if
Speaker 3: we're going to be together, like sometimes we're gonna hang
Speaker 3: out with other people and you're cool with that, so
Speaker 3: why are you not cool with it this time?
Speaker 5: But you know, he also said last week like hey,
Speaker 5: I'm not looking for anything, and.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, so the thing that to me and he
Speaker 4: was like, so do you just want to have sex
Speaker 4: all the time?
Speaker 6: Straight upset the.
Speaker 3: Unpopular opinion again, But I am all in with that
Speaker 3: guy because also when she had a moment of crisis,
Speaker 3: he he is right there saving the day essentially in
Speaker 3: a logan way, but it's not like he he cares
Speaker 3: about he cares. He does he does.
Speaker 1: There's also the aspect of you know a guy, you know,
Speaker 1: college guys when they're dating or if they like somebody,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter that, you know. One of the true
Speaker 1: tests of of of whether they want to really be
Speaker 1: interested in this girls. Can they hang?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Can they be a good hang? Are they a drag?
Speaker 1: When they are? They like? Do they add to it?
Speaker 1: Are they do they mix well with my friends? You know?
Speaker 1: It's a perfect kind of way to see what they're like.
Speaker 3: Correct. And also he's showing his friends that I'm cool
Speaker 3: with Rory being around us. She's like in our group.
Speaker 3: I'm not hiding her away and just hooking up with her.
Speaker 3: I'm not embarrassed by her. And also I think there's
Speaker 3: a moment where one of the friends says something like
Speaker 3: your girl about her, I'll steal your girl. I can't
Speaker 3: remember something, but.
Speaker 4: Kidd was like, if you go there was any phrase
Speaker 4: to friends one you, kiddo is the phrase?
Speaker 3: And he did it.
Speaker 5: Oh man, the second he said that, I was like,
Speaker 5: oh no, I did well.
Speaker 1: I mean, just imagine how much life experience he's had
Speaker 1: compared to to Rory in terms of.
Speaker 4: But they're the same age.
Speaker 1: But I know, but you know, this guy's on private
Speaker 1: jets going he's going to say bars.
Speaker 5: Guy, the guy that I love said that to me.
Speaker 3: I was like, it's done. I've been friend zone. I
Speaker 3: think I'd be fine.
Speaker 4: I am with the Autara would be like, all right,
Speaker 4: I think I think he has so much control right
Speaker 4: now that he probably is toying.
Speaker 1: With her a little bit there. Definitely is there's a
Speaker 1: there's a little game going on here, but he's you know,
Speaker 1: he's a guy who has to be careful, right, you know,
Speaker 1: he wants to know that people are And she did
Speaker 1: kind of show her hand a little bit with the
Speaker 1: with the Seymour Hirst thing, and she got all bubbly
Speaker 1: and excited, and you know, he knows, right is she
Speaker 1: in it for the money? Is she in it for
Speaker 1: my connections? Or does she really think I'm all that?
Speaker 1: You know, he has to know that.
Speaker 3: One of the scenes that I love so much in
Speaker 3: this episode is Janet and Alfia, which again this could
Speaker 3: be who's Kevin, But I don't know if that was
Speaker 3: the first time we met al Theia, but I love her.
Speaker 3: That was amazing where Paris is like, look, we need
Speaker 3: to ask them, like they know this stuff, and We'reor's
Speaker 3: like I don't need their advice, and then all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, she hears what they say to Paris and
Speaker 3: she's like, excuse me, Like that was awesome.
Speaker 4: She takes their advice, and then Logan calls her out
Speaker 4: on it, like hangout is vague.
Speaker 6: But it also was like pretty solid boy advice they
Speaker 6: were giving intricate And also, can we talk about Emmy
Speaker 6: Award winning appearance by Cereal?
Speaker 3: Like there's so much Cereal in this and I was
Speaker 3: like the fact that they took four bowls each at
Speaker 3: the dorm and I'm like, oh my god. Although I
Speaker 3: couldn't have that milk with the lactose issue, but like, oh.
Speaker 4: When I was watching it, I was like, do I
Speaker 4: have Cereal? Like it's so appetizing, Like.
Speaker 3: You're lying if you tell me you didn't want cereal
Speaker 3: after this episode, So I.
Speaker 1: Was like I didn't want Cereal?
Speaker 2: Oh my.
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what I wanted. I wanted
Speaker 1: a cigar glass of whiskey, some boys, and and some cash.
Speaker 3: Just because we can. Can everybody just say their favorite cereal,
Speaker 3: like their favorite healthy cereal and their favorite sugar cereal
Speaker 3: just for for me to enjoy.
Speaker 4: Okay, honey bunches of oats and cocoa pebbles.
Speaker 5: Okay, mine is rice crispy and lucky charms.
Speaker 3: Oh mine, cheerios and fruit loops.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a toss up between sugar pops and
Speaker 1: Captain Crunch. Don't capa Captain Crunch would like carve up
Speaker 1: the roof of your mouth though if you ate it
Speaker 1: too many days in a row. But good stuff, good stuff.
Speaker 3: Captain Crunch is good on yogurt.
Speaker 5: You know what, do they still like apple jacks?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, yeah, these were good.
Speaker 2: Those were good.
Speaker 4: I just remember that honey grams.
Speaker 3: So anyway, I diagrem Now I have to look this up.
Speaker 3: But that might be the final appearance by Janet. Somebody
Speaker 3: just google that. I there if you google a like
Speaker 3: trivia from this episode, I think that jam It's final appearance.
Speaker 3: She might only have one more.
Speaker 1: Anyway, it's a big question.
Speaker 3: It's an interesting question. So should we talk about the
Speaker 3: ribbons for a minute?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 3: Amazing, everyone picking, everyone picking? Literally. I love when I
Speaker 3: think Laura says to Tailor, I'll deal with you later.
Speaker 3: And then Rory goes and gets the ribbons, just the.
Speaker 4: Whole Wait, no, but what would you guys pick? Like
Speaker 4: what ribbons? Are you guys?
Speaker 1: We already picked?
Speaker 3: No, we haven't.
Speaker 4: Really, I'm wearing a beautiful blue right here.
Speaker 1: I'm blue.
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, you guys, are you pink? I cannot.
Speaker 3: I have to wear pink. I'm so sorry. She's my
Speaker 3: soul sister, like I so sorry, like Lorelai is my
Speaker 3: whatever the word is, muse all of it. I'm just
Speaker 3: obsessed with her, even though I think she made mistakes.
Speaker 3: I just I have to wear the pink.
Speaker 1: I have to, all right, So what are your next
Speaker 1: podcasts you do with her? It's called I'm All Pink.
Speaker 4: That's what we shipped. We should have worn our little ribbon.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm wearing pink today. And also when she
Speaker 3: pops her head out of the limo and the honking
Speaker 3: and it's Luke and she's like, I'm not usually.
Speaker 4: That was funny.
Speaker 3: I mean, the whole episode is just like amazing. I
Speaker 3: don't know, do you guys feel like, I mean, did
Speaker 3: we skip anything? Like I know we kind of broke format,
Speaker 3: but it's like I think we had to in this
Speaker 3: it's just too big.
Speaker 1: I think we hit all the big beats. I mean
Speaker 1: I have one. Yeah, you in the.
Speaker 3: Front row, supporter Lorelei supporter.
Speaker 1: Yes, go ahead.
Speaker 3: I want the middle.
Speaker 1: I want the what the middle?
Speaker 3: When she says I don't want to grow old together
Speaker 3: and just have that she wants the middle.
Speaker 1: Well, if you want the middle, then make a make
Speaker 1: a choice and commit to a guy.
Speaker 3: And you know, I mean, look, you make a point.
Speaker 3: If she wanted the middle, she should have.
Speaker 1: You gotta be uh, you know, a middle type traveler,
Speaker 1: and you know you've got to have the stuff to
Speaker 1: get to the middle. You know, anything could have happened.
Speaker 1: And Luke's mind, he's losing his mind, right, He's like,
Speaker 1: anything could have happened there. Now. What he's saying is
Speaker 1: to himself, is what else happened that she's not telling me.
Speaker 1: He doesn't want to know. He just wants to get away.
Speaker 3: I also felt that because we didn't talk about him
Speaker 3: too much, the Rory Lorelei scenes in the bed were
Speaker 3: really beautiful and really painful. And she really I mean
Speaker 3: because that I've been there, and you do you literally
Speaker 3: just cannot get out of bed, you cannot eat, you
Speaker 3: cannot move and you're just and then finally like there's
Speaker 3: a sign of life that you like, tip, take a
Speaker 3: sip of water, like you're just like it's yeah.
Speaker 1: But the thing that moved me so much about her
Speaker 1: performance was that she really honored her feelings about the relationship, yeah,
Speaker 1: and the importance of that relationship to her life. So
Speaker 1: she did that courageous thing in an acting sense and
Speaker 1: really really went through all those emotions for us in
Speaker 1: front of the camera. And it was it was breathtaking
Speaker 1: to watch even those scenes with Rory. I thought they
Speaker 1: were they were measured and textured and kind of tone perfect,
Speaker 1: you know, and there was like you could you could
Speaker 1: see this little ray of hope or light coming out
Speaker 1: and even though she was still very depressed, you know,
Speaker 1: and it was just it was heart wrenching to.
Speaker 3: Words that really it was.
Speaker 1: It was she really really is terrific.
Speaker 3: Brief but great appearance by Lane not wearing.
Speaker 4: Glasses, wearing glasses, but also.
Speaker 3: Just saying the best purchases toll House cookie dough and
Speaker 3: chocolate covered matza. I was like, wow, she knows what
Speaker 3: snacks to add and the new toothbrush.
Speaker 4: Am I did I read this wrong? That when I
Speaker 4: saw it on TV. But Rory wore a shirt that
Speaker 4: said sex is.
Speaker 1: Reading reading Sexy.
Speaker 3: I did not see that. I did not even yes, yes, the.
Speaker 1: New Sexy or something like that, Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Is reading. We need a screenshot of that. See that?
Speaker 3: And I you know, look when when Laura says you
Speaker 3: can't go to the store, the town's going to be
Speaker 3: all over you, and she's like, I've got reinforcements, and
Speaker 3: then it's Laine and they're in this limo. The whole
Speaker 3: thing was just like basically perfect. How many dream was
Speaker 3: so painful?
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, that was almost like a film, like a
Speaker 1: film by Kirk. Yes, but it was, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: in that. I've had those kinds of dreams, have you.
Speaker 1: Or you wake up and you're.
Speaker 3: Like, oh my god, it's just so yes, Yes, I
Speaker 3: have so many dreams like that, And sometimes I'm like,
Speaker 3: that happened. What's What's I mean?
Speaker 1: The magnitude of that loss, the magnitude of that loss,
Speaker 1: that was a very you know, there was a scene
Speaker 1: in Oh God, what's the uh, the famous Dustin Hoffman
Speaker 1: and Bancroft movie The Graduate. Yeah, they did stuff like
Speaker 1: that in that film.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not a fan of a dream sequence
Speaker 3: other than in this show, because the other dream that
Speaker 3: was so good was their first kiss was in a dream.
Speaker 3: Remember that this show knows how to do a dream
Speaker 3: like because they it can be kind of annoying. But
Speaker 3: this one, I'm like.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, No, that's That's when I felt the loss
Speaker 1: the most. Is in that dream when he was sitting
Speaker 1: in the kitchen watching TV and he was dressed as
Speaker 1: Luke and she came down and he wasn't responding at all,
Speaker 1: and it's just like, yeah.
Speaker 3: Say something, Yeah, I thought it was and and he says,
Speaker 3: I'm watching something stupid and she's like, this isn't stupid.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Here's the shirt. Wait, that's an amazing
Speaker 3: shirt eating it's sexy. Oh my god, how do I
Speaker 3: find that? Sure, if I could find all the.
Speaker 1: Fashions, just an email Brenda, she'll tell you.
Speaker 3: Lor Lai has that amazing tan sweater she's wearing at
Speaker 3: the inn with the thing on the back. It's like,
Speaker 3: because she's doing the scene in the refrigerator, So whoever
Speaker 3: dressed her was so brilliant knowing we were going to
Speaker 3: be looking at her back. And then they put this
Speaker 3: sort of emblem on the back of the sweater. But anyway,
Speaker 3: I mean, look, this is a great episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah all right, what how are we rating it?
Speaker 3: Ten pink ribbons, pink Danielle.
Speaker 4: Nine point nine to five chocolate covered months of Ale or.
Speaker 3: It's nine point nine five year highest you've ever given
Speaker 3: the show?
Speaker 4: No, I think Bracebridge Dinner Dinner was a ten out
Speaker 4: of ten foot oh wow, still holding up for me.
Speaker 4: I loved that episode.
Speaker 1: I'm going to give this ten out of ten.
Speaker 3: Luke Broken Hearts painful and Tara we didn't We didn't
Speaker 3: forget Tara. She had to run off for an emergency.
Speaker 3: But it's not like an emergency emergency. I think it
Speaker 3: was like a podcast.
Speaker 1: Oh she just texted me. She increases with me. Ten
Speaker 1: out of ten. Luke Broken Hearts?
Speaker 3: Yeah, wait, does anybody have any favorite they love when
Speaker 3: we do favorite lines? Does anybody have any that we
Speaker 3: didn't do? I mean mine is not funny, but it's
Speaker 3: so like when she's just drama, it's over. I really
Speaker 3: screwed up. He could have been the Wane, Like I
Speaker 3: just was like, oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, mine was the drama too, but it was with
Speaker 4: adocies between Luke and Laura Leon and Luke being like
Speaker 4: it's too much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, mine too. Yeah, Yeah, it's too much. It's too much,
Speaker 1: it's too overwhelming. It's too much for any one person
Speaker 1: to have to tolerate, you know.
Speaker 3: Still, like when she told Taylor, I'll deal with you later.
Speaker 1: He's got a huge responsibility. He's got to feed the
Speaker 1: people of stars Hollow. That's a big job. He's got
Speaker 1: to have his act together to do that.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, well, I know we have to go, but
Speaker 3: you're right, and look at what happened to her, Like
Speaker 3: she screwed up her job because of this, and it's
Speaker 3: kind of like he's not gonna let this be his undoing.
Speaker 1: As they say, all right, everybody, that's gonna wrap us up.
Speaker 1: Next episode, Season five, episode fifteen, Jews and Chinese Food.
Speaker 1: We will see you then. Thank you, ladies, Danielle Romo
Speaker 1: and Sugarman and the now dearly not dearly departed. That's
Speaker 1: wrong with me, all right. That's what you get when
Speaker 1: you leave where you click out early.
Speaker 7: You know, y.
Speaker 3: My Logan, I'm sorry, I know, y'all Logan haters Logan
Speaker 3: and Rory are I love them together?
Speaker 1: I do too. That's how to add that it's exciting
Speaker 1: to see them in scenes together. Their's spots are flying. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so great. Isn't he great? Yes, isn't great to watch?
Speaker 4: He's great to watch. She's just a little questionable, but
Speaker 4: he's great to watch it. I can't get my eyes
Speaker 4: off the screen.
Speaker 1: One good. Everything flows so smoothly.
Speaker 3: It's crops to Liza. While is that how you say?
Speaker 3: I don't want to say it wrong. Paris. You know
Speaker 3: she's bound her way with Paris. Now she's nailing it,
Speaker 3: you know, like this is the Paris that really I love.
Speaker 3: She's a hint more vulnerable, she's a hint more sas,
Speaker 3: she's a hint more funny, caustic. She was nothing but
Speaker 3: a pleasure to watch in this episode for me too.
Speaker 3: So yep, ten out of ten pink ribbons.
Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it. Thank you, everybody, best
Speaker 1: fans on the planet. Thanks for downloading all of us.
Speaker 1: Keep the cards and letters and emails coming. We read everything.
Speaker 1: We take it all to heart.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we sure do. Cried a little when I read
Speaker 3: the Instagram comments.
Speaker 1: Right, sometimes they ruin our day, but they.
Speaker 3: Know how Laura was. Yeah, they make us better podcasters.
Speaker 3: But you know what, Laura in this episode, that was
Speaker 3: me reading our instagram.
Speaker 1: And sometimes I'm Luke and dosies being cornered by Laura
Speaker 1: and I'm saying reading the instagram, saying it's too much.
Speaker 1: Love you guys, best fans on the planet. See you
Speaker 1: next time.
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