WEBVTT - Ep. 125: The Misadventures of Randy Wise

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, Dirk Durham, and today I have my

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<v Speaker 1>oldest friend in the house. He's my oldest friend, he's

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<v Speaker 1>my best friend, and he's my brother in law. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to the show, Randy Wise.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, thanks for having me, Dirk. It should be entertaining. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think it should. You're quite a character.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. Some people that have followed some of the films

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<v Speaker 1>I've been in over the years, hunting with different different folks.

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<v Speaker 1>I was on a hunt with Trent from Born and

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<v Speaker 1>Raised outdoors here a few years ago in Wyoming, and

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<v Speaker 1>Randy came along with his goats. He had these pack

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<v Speaker 1>goats and he joined the hunt and he was like

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<v Speaker 1>kind of filled in as a cameraman and he like

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<v Speaker 1>he said, He's like, I'm not a professional camera man,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm just gonna say, Andy, we could all tell

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<v Speaker 1>by the shots you got.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I appreciate you taking notice. And for the record,

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<v Speaker 2>I had no instruction or classes or even hey do

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<v Speaker 2>this when this happens. I was just left in the

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<v Speaker 2>dark and.

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<v Speaker 1>I did what I could with what I had. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I know absolutely, and we could tell t it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>hey man, you want to run a camera And you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know sure. Like he's like, you're like, what

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<v Speaker 1>do I do? And he's like, push the red button

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<v Speaker 1>and hold the camera towards us. That was the insurrection

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<v Speaker 1>and it turned out. But we had a We had

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty good hunt, killed a couple of bulls. We

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<v Speaker 1>used your goats to pack one bull out and cross

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<v Speaker 1>the river there in Wyoming.

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<v Speaker 2>It was it was fun. And then the other bull

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<v Speaker 2>out in the river.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, we we I shot a bull and it

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<v Speaker 1>died in the river and we had to break that

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<v Speaker 1>thing down in the dark in.

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<v Speaker 2>The river, pack it out.

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<v Speaker 1>It's probably the cleanest piece of meat we've ever had.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, that's all water under the bridge. Today we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about the misadventures of Randy Wise.

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<v Speaker 2>Being Randy.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been buddy since seventh grade, so if you can imagine,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we've had a lifetime of fun and goofy

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<v Speaker 1>adventures and hunting trips and just you know, Any's family too,

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<v Speaker 1>so there's all the whole family aspect of it. But

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of wanted to rewind to back in the

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<v Speaker 1>olden days, if you will, and me and Randy were

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<v Speaker 1>high school boys. I would say we were probably freshmen

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<v Speaker 1>sophomores in high school. Yeah, maybe. And we went hunting.

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<v Speaker 1>Excuse me, we went camping in the back country of Idaho.

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<v Speaker 1>We're way back, one hundred miles from from the closest town.

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<v Speaker 1>We're right off the Montana border in the Clearwater region

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<v Speaker 1>of Idaho. It some of the most beautiful country you've

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<v Speaker 1>ever seen. The deer were so tame that we would

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<v Speaker 1>literally take a leak, we would urinate on the ground,

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<v Speaker 1>and a mule deer would would come right up.

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<v Speaker 2>They would come up and lick your your urinated dirt.

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<v Speaker 1>They would come up and lick that dirt like immediately

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<v Speaker 1>they sing while you're there. Yeah, why we were standing there.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a picture of Randy standing there right after

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<v Speaker 1>he peed, and there's a deer licking the pee right

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<v Speaker 1>like one foot away from him. It's the craziest thing

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<v Speaker 1>I've I've ever seen. But that that was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a cool trip. We were up there with my folks

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<v Speaker 1>and Randy and I were like, we're not gonna camp

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<v Speaker 1>at the truck with these old people, right, We're a

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<v Speaker 1>teenagers now. We we want adventure. We're gonna go backpack.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to backpack into a cool place and and

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<v Speaker 1>set up a tent and have a good time. So

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<v Speaker 1>we we we backpacked down into this basin and it

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty easy going, and you know, it's kind of steep,

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<v Speaker 1>but no real trails. We get down we could see

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<v Speaker 1>this big flat sp It was a big, beautiful grassy flat.

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<v Speaker 2>It almost looked lake.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a little lake. Yeah, and we're like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that looks like an awesome place to camp. So we

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<v Speaker 1>get down there and that that grass turned out to

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<v Speaker 1>be about waist high and full of mosquitoes.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember the mosquitoes. They were so bad, the mosquitoes. And

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<v Speaker 2>the brush was you know, looking down, you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>didn't look nothing like that. We get down in there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's shoulder high. You can't see nothing anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that's your that. This is Idaho. This is Idaho,

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<v Speaker 1>one on one, Like it always looks good at a distance,

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<v Speaker 1>but you get up close, you get into it, it's like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that brush is over our head. The grass is wiste tall,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a marsh and it's like full of mosquitoes.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm like, oh god, we got to set up

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<v Speaker 1>this tent, you know, and we had a few hours

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<v Speaker 1>before it was going to be dark, but the mosquitoes

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<v Speaker 1>were so bad. We got to get this tent set

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<v Speaker 1>up and get in the tent. And I told him,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, okay, you go look for firewood. I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to set this tent up. So I start setting ten

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<v Speaker 1>up and you wander off and you come back and

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<v Speaker 1>you have this worried look on your face, and you say,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, you got to see this, that's all you said.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to see you have to see this. But

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<v Speaker 2>you got to rewind just a little bit back to

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<v Speaker 2>the lake. Okay. So there we are, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're we're in the brush on the edge of the

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<v Speaker 2>lake and we walk up into the waters just a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit, if you remember, and we could see bear

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<v Speaker 2>tracks in the mud and they were squished out like

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<v Speaker 2>they're giant bear tracks. You remember that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, basically grizzly bear tracks.

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<v Speaker 2>In our minds, yeah, in our minds. And I believe

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<v Speaker 2>we're probably eighth graders. This is this is in our

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<v Speaker 2>first two years of our Yeah, it's unclear. I know,

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<v Speaker 2>we were young. We're pretty young, pretty young, and so

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<v Speaker 2>this is like Brandy getting his first adventure with the

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<v Speaker 2>Durham family, and that's how I remember it, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And so here we are, like, like Dirk said, back

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<v Speaker 2>in the back country anyway, Yes, it's time to set

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<v Speaker 2>up camp. And we went miles from his parents and

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<v Speaker 2>we're kids, and there's this lake.

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<v Speaker 1>We got cans of chili in, yeah, and like no

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<v Speaker 1>sleeping pads and like this shitty little like yeah, two

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<v Speaker 1>man pup tins.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we got nothing. And I don't even think we

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<v Speaker 2>have a pistol. We have we had it. We did

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<v Speaker 2>have a flashlight between us and.

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<v Speaker 1>It's probably was one of those survival knives.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And so we see this big pushed out bear

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<v Speaker 2>tracks in the mud that go into the water of

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<v Speaker 2>this little lake. And then we needed to hike up

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<v Speaker 2>this Razor back ridge. Remember that big ridge that we

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<v Speaker 2>were going up. And then we got into the brush

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<v Speaker 2>and the huckleberries and we're like, we need to set

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<v Speaker 2>up camp here. Yeah, you remember that. And it was

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<v Speaker 2>on the main trail. There's the only trail on this

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<v Speaker 2>Razor Back ridge.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And I tell Randy, I said, you go get

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<v Speaker 1>firewood and stuff. I'm gonna start setting this tent up.

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<v Speaker 1>So I start setting the tin up. He comes back

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<v Speaker 1>and says, you got to see this. So I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what's up? So I walk over there to this huckleberry brush,

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<v Speaker 1>and huckleberry brush is about waist high, you know, and thick.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't hardly walk through it. And it's all broken

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<v Speaker 1>down like it looks like a bear. It tore up.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been just like wallowing and like tearing all this

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<v Speaker 1>brush up, eating huckleberries. He just tore out this spot

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<v Speaker 1>big enough. It looked like a couple of a bull

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<v Speaker 1>elk had been fighting there. There was so much stuff

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<v Speaker 1>torn up, and I'm like, and Randy doesn't say anything

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<v Speaker 1>other than you got to look at this. And I

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<v Speaker 1>go over there, I'm like, oh my god, we got

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<v Speaker 1>to move our tent right now. It's a grizzly bear

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<v Speaker 1>and he's been eating. We got to get out of here.

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<v Speaker 2>Right This was an unintended consequence of Randy Shenanigan's Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So the backstory is I want to take a leak,

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<v Speaker 2>and I seen all these huckleberries and I thought, wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>it be fun to break all these up and put

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<v Speaker 2>the idea into Camp's head and that there's a big

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<v Speaker 2>bear and this is the only trail. So yes, there

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<v Speaker 2>comes over. He evaluates the situation and correctly evaluates that, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's something in here eating and rummaging and foraging, and

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<v Speaker 2>we should not camp.

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<v Speaker 1>We're right on his trail.

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<v Speaker 2>We should not camp here. Yeah, But what we didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know is where we were. And we'd never been there before.

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<v Speaker 2>And this trail had straight up this on the left side.

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<v Speaker 2>You remember, you could look off it would it would

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<v Speaker 2>be like a shoot in a snowmobiller's paradise, like an avalanche. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it was just straight off the left side of the canyon,

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<v Speaker 2>and the right side kind of feathered out into the

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<v Speaker 2>brush and the and the aspens and whatnot. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>So we were on this only trail, Rocky And at

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<v Speaker 2>this point, my unintended consequence was the fear that I

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<v Speaker 2>instilled in camp.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh. I was scared that.

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<v Speaker 2>I am like, we gotta go. I run down.

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<v Speaker 1>I grab the tent, I throw that thing together, I

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<v Speaker 1>throw that tear it down, throw it in my pack

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<v Speaker 1>and my pack.

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<v Speaker 2>We have these backpacks.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we got them at the Goodwill or somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>These old aluminum frames.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the luminium frame, the orange ones and the blue ones,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were garbage.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and uh, you know, threw all of our nice

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<v Speaker 1>heavyweight stuff under our packs and like, we got to

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<v Speaker 1>get the hell out of here. And I start hiking

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<v Speaker 1>like a madman. We got to get the hell out

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<v Speaker 1>of this place.

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<v Speaker 2>He wouldn't let up, and I was like more leisure

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<v Speaker 2>like it's fine, I know fine.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just like, what are you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>You going to get out of here? But now I'm

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<v Speaker 2>hooked into this prank I've pulled and they can't go

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<v Speaker 2>back on it, so I have to kind of live

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<v Speaker 2>what I've started.

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<v Speaker 1>And he can't let me know. Yeah, he can't let

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<v Speaker 1>me know that he was him at this point. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'd bought it, so hrd, Yeah, he bought it.

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<v Speaker 2>He hooked line and zincer and we're in the darkness,

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<v Speaker 2>pitch black. There ain't a moon, I don't I don't

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<v Speaker 2>remember stars or nothing. It's one of them pitch black nights.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're in the the flashlight and hiking up a

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<v Speaker 2>single little game trail that's in the like the most

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<v Speaker 2>backcountry Idaho Montana orderline country you can find. Like it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's not a human There's there's nobody around, like like

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<v Speaker 2>it's just us, and there's no trail. Yeah there and

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<v Speaker 2>no like not like a horse trail. This is just

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<v Speaker 2>like a game trail. There's no GPS, there's no ONYX,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no nothing like. It's on us to find our

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<v Speaker 2>way up this like very remote country. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we we aren't worried about that, like for some reason,

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<v Speaker 2>our our internal GPS systems are working fine. We know

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<v Speaker 2>when you get up this ridge, we're in a camp

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<v Speaker 2>on the top of the ridge line. We're in a

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<v Speaker 2>white hike six seven miles to the left, whatever direction

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<v Speaker 2>that was at the time, and then eventually we'll hit

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<v Speaker 2>a road gets us back to your mom and pop. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So we we climb up this thing and finally find

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<v Speaker 1>a flat spot because it's steeper than the back your head.

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<v Speaker 1>We finally find a flat spot. It's like, okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna sleep here, but I'm worried. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to I don't want to sleep in a tent because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to not be able to see a

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<v Speaker 1>bear come get us. Yea, So we just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>propped our our sleeping bags up against this old log

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<v Speaker 1>and we build a little fire and we drift off

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<v Speaker 1>into sleep somehow.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It was very like I was that kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>lucid sleep, you know, kind of like halfway in, halfway out,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm laying there and I can hear a noise

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<v Speaker 1>coming down the trail. It's like I hear something coming

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<v Speaker 1>down the trail and I hear like clippity clop of

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<v Speaker 1>like hoof beats and like like like a little bell tinkering,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like an old miner with some mules going

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<v Speaker 1>by us in the middle of the night. And the

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<v Speaker 1>next day I'm like, Grandy, what's up. Did you see

0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:55.080
<v Speaker 1>that that old miner and stuff? He's like, what are

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<v Speaker 1>you talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>You know how it is when you're half half lucid,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're you're in and out of sleep. I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 1>sure I dreamt it.

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<v Speaker 2>We honestly were scared to death, both.

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<v Speaker 1>Of us, but we didn't get eaten by this make

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<v Speaker 1>believe grizzly bear. Yeah, even though that was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a weird dream to have about the old minor forty

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<v Speaker 1>nine er coming down the hill, you never seen.

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<v Speaker 2>That, no, But what I did see was we nested

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<v Speaker 2>up against this log. It was full of red ants.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, those things woke up and the things were all

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<v Speaker 1>over us, eating us alive.

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<v Speaker 2>Our sleeping bags, they were all over us. We had

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<v Speaker 2>wounds everywhere. Anyway, it was a miserable night, a sleepless night,

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<v Speaker 2>you could say. Yeah. Next morning we're up and at him.

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<v Speaker 2>We're first light.

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<v Speaker 1>We get up. We're like, okay, we're getting the heck

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<v Speaker 1>out of here. We hike back to my folks and like,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we'll stay in camp these next day night.

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<v Speaker 2>And Randy being on the prank, you know here, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>now I'm kind of feeling like so Dirk immediately gets back.

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<v Speaker 2>He tells his folk about the grizzly bears and the pond,

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<v Speaker 2>the water and the trail and the huckleberries tore up.

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<v Speaker 2>And now all of a sudden, my prank turned into

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a liar, you know, and I don't want anybody

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<v Speaker 2>to know. So I'm like, he just kept it to himself. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I just kevied to myself. I thought it was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of funny. It blew out of proportion, and so I'm

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<v Speaker 2>living with this thing inside me.

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<v Speaker 1>How many years did you keep that? It was years,

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<v Speaker 1>It was years, and it was years and finally adults

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<v Speaker 1>I think finally told me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I'm like, you know, you know, remember that time,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and we're laughing and you know, having a

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<v Speaker 2>beer or whatever. I'm like, yeah, I tore up all

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<v Speaker 2>those huckleberries.

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<v Speaker 1>Like what.

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<v Speaker 2>I felt ashamed, but you know it was a fun

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<v Speaker 2>joke at the time, but it kind of just got

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<v Speaker 2>away from me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, that kind of happens in life. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>even though I feel like in high school you did

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<v Speaker 1>some of those little pranks too. I think you're like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you see that guy out there. He wants to kick yours.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, why, I never said a thing about it,

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<v Speaker 1>but we've always been good, Like he don't like me,

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<v Speaker 1>that he hates you, he wants to beat you up.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember that I may be guilty of some things like that,

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<v Speaker 2>and I may I may be guilty of having girls

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<v Speaker 2>write you love letters too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well yeah, there was some of those.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I'm like, man, somebody's writing me a love letter?

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<v Speaker 1>Who is?

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<v Speaker 2>And You're like, huh wow, yeah you should ye for whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, we're dumb kids. I was a dumb

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<v Speaker 2>kid especially.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I feel like that sets the tone

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<v Speaker 1>of who Randy Wise is. He's kind of a joker,

0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:48.880
<v Speaker 1>kind of a prankster, pretty funny. Uh loves to try

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<v Speaker 1>to like get a reaction out of people, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>will say and do things to try to get a

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<v Speaker 1>funny reaction for fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's all it's all for good intent, right and

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, hasn't always played out in my favor, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, I can see myself in that. And

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<v Speaker 2>then when somebody tells me something two years later, you

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<v Speaker 2>know that they did to me, I think maybe it's

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<v Speaker 2>a joke. But that's not always true too, which I

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<v Speaker 2>think we're gonna talk about later in this podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Right right, we'll get we'll get to that. We'll get

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<v Speaker 1>to that. So I wanted to kind of set the

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<v Speaker 1>tone with that little story, and I wanted to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of shortly thereafter Randy and I decide we're gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>bow hunters. We wanted to bowhunt. I got that got

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<v Speaker 1>the bug the year before we started bowhunting, and Randy's like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh man, I want to bowhunt too. So we worked

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<v Speaker 1>really hard. We we you know, we didn't. We weren't

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<v Speaker 1>just handed a bunch of money as kids, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>back then, you know, we we just had to work

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<v Speaker 1>and make our money and earn our way, which was

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<v Speaker 1>good because you know, I feel like we hate Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we worked. We worked in the hayfield. We worked, We

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<v Speaker 1>worked at dairies. We did hard labor, laborious work putting

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<v Speaker 1>up hay all summer, saving that money. And I bought

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<v Speaker 1>my first bow and all the gear. Randy bought his

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<v Speaker 1>first bow and all the gear, and we bought elk calls.

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<v Speaker 1>We're like, all right, we're gonna learn how to use these.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was the summer between eighth and ninth grade.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it was freshman year and sophomore year we bought

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff. So so the summer between then is so

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<v Speaker 1>we were fifteen. Okay, you're a year older than me,

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<v Speaker 1>so you must have been sixteen. But anyhow, we get

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<v Speaker 1>this these calls, and we played with them and practiced them,

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<v Speaker 1>and we kind of liked I think we both liked

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<v Speaker 1>the same diaphragm. But then you had an external call.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like one of those elk O E l

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<v Speaker 1>k ink talk. It looked like two plastic almost like

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<v Speaker 1>two plastic credit cards that were kind of melted and

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<v Speaker 1>bent and had a rubber band in between them, and

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<v Speaker 1>you could kind of blow on it, make it a

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<v Speaker 1>little Wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>That a cow talk was a cow talker? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you had one of those, and you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>you were pretty like like that calls. Yeah, You're like,

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<v Speaker 1>I spent twelve dollars for this, Why I'm want to

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<v Speaker 1>use it. I'm gonna call some milk in with that.

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<v Speaker 2>That was three hours of labor.

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<v Speaker 1>So fast forward. We practiced with their calls, We practiced

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<v Speaker 1>with their bows all summer. We got really good shooting bows,

0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:23.360
<v Speaker 1>got really good with our calls for for what we were

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like we were both really naturally gifted it

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<v Speaker 1>and picking up on calls and using them. And we

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<v Speaker 1>get to opening day and our first spot we wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to go to opening day, well, it rained the night

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<v Speaker 1>before and it was just really brushy and thick, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're like, oh man, we're gonna be soaking wet if

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<v Speaker 1>we go this way. So let's go up to this

0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:46.239
<v Speaker 1>other spot. So this farmer said, hey, you guys can

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<v Speaker 1>hunt our place. So we get up and park by

0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:51.520
<v Speaker 1>his house and walk over the hill and there's there's

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<v Speaker 1>elk in the fields.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got these wheat fields that hadn't been harvested.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 1>They were right there. We're like, wow, this is awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>And the bowl was like bugling on his own and

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<v Speaker 1>running around chasing cows.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, wow, how is this the one? How

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<v Speaker 2>you're thinking about.

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<v Speaker 1>How great is this? Well? Yeah, and I'm like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like I look down. I'm like, Ranny, I forgot my

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<v Speaker 1>bugle tube. Oh yeah, And you're like, oh, I forgot

0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:25.560
<v Speaker 1>my diaphragm. I'm like, that's okay. I said, give me

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<v Speaker 1>your bugle tube. I'll call I'll call for you. And

0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:34.480
<v Speaker 1>you're like, no, no, no, no, no no no no

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<v Speaker 1>no no no, you'll you'll call it into yourself. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we give give me. He's like, I've got this elk

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<v Speaker 1>talk thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, there's a lot at that time, Dirk, we

0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:47.480
<v Speaker 2>didn't understand about even calling out right, Like, we didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know a lot about calling out.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he never called it out ever before. This was

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<v Speaker 1>the first time in history of our history.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we didn't know. There's a lot we didn't know.

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<v Speaker 2>And we both wanted to we both wanted to be successful.

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<v Speaker 2>And the whole forgetting the tube having reads and a

0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:18.120
<v Speaker 2>cow talk on my end, it was very I don't

0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:22.359
<v Speaker 2>even know it was a very pivotal moment. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like in our hunting relationship as early day hunting, you know,

0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:33.840
<v Speaker 2>because we both wanted to do our own thing, but

0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:38.440
<v Speaker 2>we didn't have a concept of working together necessarily. Right.

0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:41.040
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to do this, You wanted to do that. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>We had our own mind on what should be done

0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:44.080
<v Speaker 1>to kill these elk.

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<v Speaker 2>In Yeah, we had differences. We all had our own opinions,

0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:51.919
<v Speaker 2>and neither one of us knew what was right. But

0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:54.399
<v Speaker 2>what we did know is we worked for the stuff

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<v Speaker 2>we had and what we brought for that day, and

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<v Speaker 2>we wanted to work that into the equation to each

0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:05.080
<v Speaker 2>of our favors. And so there we were, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>So I start cal calling and I start bugling into

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<v Speaker 1>my hand, like amusing my hand as like a tube

0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:14.879
<v Speaker 1>with a glove on it. And it sounded it probably

0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:18.280
<v Speaker 1>sounded like a hog squealing. Honestly, it sounded terrible. And

0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:22.040
<v Speaker 1>then you you had your elk talk jabbed into the

0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:24.240
<v Speaker 1>end of that tube and you were blowing on that thing,

0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:27.680
<v Speaker 1>and it sounded just as terrible. It's sounded like somebody

0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:29.080
<v Speaker 1>was killing a chihuahua or something.

0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:32.560
<v Speaker 2>It was horrible, but just the same back in the

0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:36.400
<v Speaker 2>eighties you could whistle and elk.

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<v Speaker 1>These elk were unpressured.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't that it was some exclusive ranch or something

0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:46.360
<v Speaker 1>that nobody else got to hunt. Just nobody really bow

0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:48.840
<v Speaker 1>hunted that area back then. It was just as everybody

0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:49.959
<v Speaker 1>else went to the back country.

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<v Speaker 2>It was amazing time. We were in the.

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<v Speaker 1>Front country, uh close to close to home, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody really messed with these elk, just because people thought

0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:00.520
<v Speaker 1>we got to go to the mountains. So we start

0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:02.560
<v Speaker 1>calling to these elk, and the bull starts bugling his

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<v Speaker 1>head off and running around and chasing these cows around,

0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:07.879
<v Speaker 1>and Randy kind of angles his way up and he

0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:09.879
<v Speaker 1>gets to the edge of that field. Before me, I'm

0:21:09.960 --> 0:21:12.040
<v Speaker 1>kind of stuck in this pin down in this like

0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:15.000
<v Speaker 1>open spot down the bottom of this draw. But he

0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:17.280
<v Speaker 1>kind of took a different line and had a more cover,

0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:19.679
<v Speaker 1>and he got to the edge of that field, and

0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:22.680
<v Speaker 1>that bowl had kind of walked off and pushed his

0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:26.119
<v Speaker 1>cows off away, you know, probably a couple hundred yards,

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<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden, I see Randy and he

0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:33.400
<v Speaker 1>bends over and he puts he kind of hunches over

0:21:33.680 --> 0:21:36.080
<v Speaker 1>and he puts his bow over his head. He goes,

0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:39.520
<v Speaker 1>he goes, does this weird trot thing across the field

0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:43.119
<v Speaker 1>with the bow over his hand and head or his head,

0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:46.480
<v Speaker 1>like it's an elk you're emulating. That looked like an elk.

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<v Speaker 1>And this this wheat was tall. It was like probably

0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:52.919
<v Speaker 1>waste hime. And you go bouncing across this field and

0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:54.720
<v Speaker 1>then just you know, you get out there like one

0:21:54.760 --> 0:21:57.200
<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty yards and just disappear into the wheat.

0:21:57.359 --> 0:21:59.679
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, that's never going to work. And I

0:21:59.720 --> 0:22:02.439
<v Speaker 1>look over and that bull had stopped and seen you

0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:05.960
<v Speaker 1>and just made a bee line, just ran right charged me.

0:22:06.080 --> 0:22:07.560
<v Speaker 1>He charged in, yeah, and.

0:22:07.520 --> 0:22:09.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, and he just stops.

0:22:09.320 --> 0:22:12.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, and I see the bull kind of fidget around.

0:22:12.600 --> 0:22:15.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, and then he kind of did it again.

0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:17.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, what is going on? And then pretty soon

0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:20.080
<v Speaker 1>he turned around and trotted back to his cows, round

0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:21.720
<v Speaker 1>him up and took off, And I'm like, what the

0:22:21.760 --> 0:22:22.359
<v Speaker 1>heck happened?

0:22:22.440 --> 0:22:22.760
<v Speaker 2>Randy?

0:22:23.320 --> 0:22:25.160
<v Speaker 1>What why did you shoot that thing?

0:22:25.600 --> 0:22:38.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? So on my end of it, my perspective was

0:22:40.680 --> 0:22:44.840
<v Speaker 2>exactly that, except I remember a calf following the bowl

0:22:45.560 --> 0:22:48.119
<v Speaker 2>and there was a draw before the ridge eyes up

0:22:48.160 --> 0:22:50.800
<v Speaker 2>on top of a ridge in this so Idos has

0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:54.399
<v Speaker 2>rolling wheat fields. We're not Midwest flat Landers where we

0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:59.719
<v Speaker 2>have rolling ridges between out in our fields. Right. So

0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:06.399
<v Speaker 2>I'm up on the say, the high point of the ridge,

0:23:06.680 --> 0:23:11.240
<v Speaker 2>and so playing with the elk originally, and I'm down

0:23:11.280 --> 0:23:18.280
<v Speaker 2>in the timber on a fence line, calling Dirk calling

0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:21.360
<v Speaker 2>on his end the elk all run. There's let's call

0:23:21.359 --> 0:23:24.240
<v Speaker 2>it a twenty five head. Heard a couple of bulls

0:23:25.280 --> 0:23:28.639
<v Speaker 2>a little five point which is the herd bowl, and

0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:32.359
<v Speaker 2>they're one hundred and fifty yards from me, down on

0:23:32.440 --> 0:23:34.400
<v Speaker 2>Dirk's end of the field, and me and Dirk went

0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:38.920
<v Speaker 2>separate ways, and I end up belly crawling and fight

0:23:39.040 --> 0:23:42.120
<v Speaker 2>my way through this terrible brush that we deal with

0:23:42.200 --> 0:23:45.520
<v Speaker 2>all the time where we're from. And I get on

0:23:45.560 --> 0:23:48.719
<v Speaker 2>the fence line and as I break through this brush,

0:23:48.760 --> 0:23:51.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm cow calling and bugling as best I can

0:23:51.800 --> 0:23:55.200
<v Speaker 2>with these kind of half assed calls that I got

0:23:55.200 --> 0:23:58.960
<v Speaker 2>on my arsenal. And the bowl would work from Dirk's

0:23:59.040 --> 0:24:02.400
<v Speaker 2>end of this hundred and fifty fie yard field down

0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:06.920
<v Speaker 2>to my end. And I remember that bowl coming probably

0:24:07.040 --> 0:24:11.320
<v Speaker 2>fifteen yards from me, but I can't even lift my bowl,

0:24:11.440 --> 0:24:15.080
<v Speaker 2>let alone draw back. I'm like in dead broken brush.

0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:18.560
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's it's terrible brush in there, Like I

0:24:18.600 --> 0:24:24.120
<v Speaker 2>can barely get through it. Dirk Bugle's bowl runs down

0:24:24.119 --> 0:24:26.399
<v Speaker 2>one hundred fifty yards where the elk are the herd,

0:24:26.960 --> 0:24:29.880
<v Speaker 2>and I get out cross the fence line, and I think,

0:24:29.920 --> 0:24:32.840
<v Speaker 2>all right, the herd spook does not coming my way again,

0:24:33.600 --> 0:24:37.080
<v Speaker 2>and I need to cross this wheat field and work

0:24:37.160 --> 0:24:43.359
<v Speaker 2>my way over to the south east corner of the field.

0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:46.000
<v Speaker 2>Get back into the timber. Yeah, get back into the timber.

0:24:46.000 --> 0:24:48.560
<v Speaker 2>And I do know the country. We've been there, you know,

0:24:48.640 --> 0:24:50.919
<v Speaker 2>we know that we know the area. There's there's a

0:24:50.920 --> 0:24:54.399
<v Speaker 2>power line road through there, or power line that cuts

0:24:54.400 --> 0:24:57.640
<v Speaker 2>through the timber where the power line utility is cut

0:24:57.680 --> 0:25:01.919
<v Speaker 2>back for eazem and whatnot. So my thoughts are I

0:25:01.960 --> 0:25:05.400
<v Speaker 2>need to cross his open wheatfield and get to that

0:25:05.800 --> 0:25:09.440
<v Speaker 2>power line road, and Dirk's t goanna get a chance

0:25:09.480 --> 0:25:13.240
<v Speaker 2>to hunt and bogle and shoot this bowl. But when

0:25:13.280 --> 0:25:16.720
<v Speaker 2>they spook or whatever he shoots or whatever happens, they're

0:25:16.720 --> 0:25:18.640
<v Speaker 2>going to have to go out that ind because I've

0:25:18.640 --> 0:25:22.480
<v Speaker 2>already basically ruined this end of the field. So that's

0:25:22.520 --> 0:25:24.919
<v Speaker 2>their only exit out that way. So I want to

0:25:25.000 --> 0:25:28.240
<v Speaker 2>kind of be in position to flank them. So yeah,

0:25:28.440 --> 0:25:31.639
<v Speaker 2>like Dirk said, I get out in the field. I

0:25:31.680 --> 0:25:34.120
<v Speaker 2>put my bow over my head because I have no cover,

0:25:34.840 --> 0:25:37.680
<v Speaker 2>and I'm cow calling and I'm hunkering down like I'm

0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:41.639
<v Speaker 2>some kind of elk. And that bowl sees me, and

0:25:41.680 --> 0:25:44.159
<v Speaker 2>he charges me, and there's a calf that follows me,

0:25:45.040 --> 0:25:49.280
<v Speaker 2>or follows him, and I lose sight of the bowl,

0:25:49.320 --> 0:25:52.480
<v Speaker 2>but I can still see the calf, and the calf stops,

0:25:53.000 --> 0:25:58.160
<v Speaker 2>and I have no cover. I'm in a wheat field.

0:25:58.359 --> 0:26:02.960
<v Speaker 2>And then all of a sudden, I'm twenty yarder approximately

0:26:04.119 --> 0:26:06.520
<v Speaker 2>to this bowl for the first time in my life

0:26:06.560 --> 0:26:12.360
<v Speaker 2>as this teenage kid, to my first shot at an elk,

0:26:13.840 --> 0:26:16.600
<v Speaker 2>and I'm scared to death. I'm honestly, I'm scared to death.

0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:19.520
<v Speaker 2>My adrenaline is pumping, my heart's beating. You know, I've

0:26:19.520 --> 0:26:24.119
<v Speaker 2>already this thing's already came in on me. And he

0:26:24.280 --> 0:26:27.760
<v Speaker 2>was a mad bull. Remember he was mad as hell. Yeah,

0:26:27.800 --> 0:26:30.320
<v Speaker 2>he was a Yeah, he was a mad bull.

0:26:30.359 --> 0:26:32.400
<v Speaker 1>And well he's seen you, he's seen that other bull

0:26:33.080 --> 0:26:35.720
<v Speaker 1>over there. Yeah, and then he disappeared and then come

0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:36.240
<v Speaker 1>to kill you.

0:26:36.520 --> 0:26:39.359
<v Speaker 2>And he come in and I was scared to death.

0:26:39.440 --> 0:26:43.000
<v Speaker 2>And I remember shooting that thing or shooting at that thing,

0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:48.560
<v Speaker 2>and I watched my arrow shoot underneath it's his brisket

0:26:48.840 --> 0:26:51.280
<v Speaker 2>like between it right right in that corner between his

0:26:51.359 --> 0:26:53.920
<v Speaker 2>front leg. You know. It just shot through the grass,

0:26:54.040 --> 0:26:57.480
<v Speaker 2>the wheat field, and he rolled and turned and ran off,

0:26:57.520 --> 0:27:03.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, and gosh what at a time the adrenaline

0:27:03.760 --> 0:27:09.480
<v Speaker 2>was pumping. I was obviously, you know, broken hearted. I

0:27:09.520 --> 0:27:12.800
<v Speaker 2>didn't get it, didn't kill him, you know, but he

0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:17.439
<v Speaker 2>ran off. Helped me out here. What happened next? Like

0:27:17.560 --> 0:27:21.680
<v Speaker 2>he so he ran off your direction and got the herd,

0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:23.720
<v Speaker 2>and I think they headed out that power line.

0:27:24.000 --> 0:27:26.280
<v Speaker 1>I was trying to flank him from h Yeah. Yeah,

0:27:26.600 --> 0:27:29.640
<v Speaker 1>And it was over at that point. But the next day,

0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:33.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean every day this this this was a Saturday

0:27:33.320 --> 0:27:36.040
<v Speaker 1>or something, but but every day we'd go back out

0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:39.560
<v Speaker 1>there chasing things around him. And I think it was

0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:43.560
<v Speaker 1>a week later maybe we were back out there, and

0:27:45.840 --> 0:27:48.400
<v Speaker 1>we didn't like, we weren't in the teamwork. We were

0:27:48.440 --> 0:27:51.000
<v Speaker 1>like kind of every man for himself thing. We hadn't

0:27:51.040 --> 0:27:53.560
<v Speaker 1>figured out teamwork, like we I want to do it

0:27:53.600 --> 0:27:55.040
<v Speaker 1>like this, and you're like, I want to do it

0:27:55.080 --> 0:27:55.320
<v Speaker 1>like that.

0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:56.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we're just like.

0:27:56.880 --> 0:27:58.760
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well cool, well I'm gonna do this. You're gonna

0:27:58.760 --> 0:28:00.360
<v Speaker 1>do it. We're gonna try to get these elk.

0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:01.440
<v Speaker 2>Both of us.

0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:04.920
<v Speaker 1>Are going to try our own little stories. But then

0:28:04.960 --> 0:28:07.160
<v Speaker 1>one day we split up and I drop you off

0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:09.760
<v Speaker 1>and you kind of went in that same area, and

0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:13.359
<v Speaker 1>my brother and I we drove around, way around and

0:28:13.480 --> 0:28:14.720
<v Speaker 1>come in from a different side. O.

0:28:14.960 --> 0:28:16.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And.

0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:23.120
<v Speaker 1>I'll say, Randy, I think you might be the only

0:28:23.200 --> 0:28:27.480
<v Speaker 1>person I know that has shot every single arrow in

0:28:27.520 --> 0:28:30.280
<v Speaker 1>his quiver at an elk and not got an elk

0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:33.320
<v Speaker 1>at a different elk, at different helk in the same day,

0:28:33.359 --> 0:28:35.960
<v Speaker 1>in the same day, right, and not and not got one.

0:28:36.000 --> 0:28:39.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're talking about the heydays of the eighties when

0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:41.960
<v Speaker 2>when you could whistle or bugle or whatever, like, they

0:28:42.000 --> 0:28:46.400
<v Speaker 2>had had zero hunting pressure on archery or calling in

0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:51.040
<v Speaker 2>where we lived, and it was so easy to call

0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:56.800
<v Speaker 2>an elk. But in my defense, I would get so

0:28:56.920 --> 0:28:59.720
<v Speaker 2>wound up my heart would pump a thousand miles an hour,

0:28:59.800 --> 0:29:02.320
<v Speaker 2>my adrenaline with a pump a thousand my hour. I

0:29:02.440 --> 0:29:05.800
<v Speaker 2>had one of them powermag bows. It was one hundred

0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:08.720
<v Speaker 2>and ten pounds of pull back because I thought that's

0:29:08.720 --> 0:29:10.920
<v Speaker 2>what you needed, and that's what they sold me. And

0:29:11.000 --> 0:29:14.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, like so like one hundred and ten pound bow?

0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Was it one hundred and ten bout? What was it? Yeah? Yeah?

0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:20.320
<v Speaker 2>And it was no, this is no exaggeration, like it

0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:21.160
<v Speaker 2>was ridiculous. You know.

0:29:21.360 --> 0:29:23.320
<v Speaker 1>You know, you got guys shooting eighty pound bows today

0:29:23.320 --> 0:29:25.880
<v Speaker 1>and most people shoot about seventy and you got Camaines

0:29:25.880 --> 0:29:29.080
<v Speaker 1>pulling on a hundred pound bow. But this is no bullshit.

0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Randy had one hundred and ten pound bow. And I

0:29:31.840 --> 0:29:33.520
<v Speaker 1>remember you told me the story when you went into

0:29:33.520 --> 0:29:35.440
<v Speaker 1>the bow shop and to buy a bow and there

0:29:35.480 --> 0:29:37.760
<v Speaker 1>was a bow landing there and the guy said, hey,

0:29:37.840 --> 0:29:39.840
<v Speaker 1>don't even attempt to draw that. And he's like, I've

0:29:39.840 --> 0:29:42.800
<v Speaker 1>only seen one other person draw it and you and

0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:44.760
<v Speaker 1>you picked it up and pulled it back like twice,

0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:45.160
<v Speaker 1>like it.

0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Was nothing like fifteen years old.

0:29:47.200 --> 0:29:49.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he's like, what the hell right, and you

0:29:50.000 --> 0:29:51.680
<v Speaker 1>put there like, well, I want one of those things.

0:29:51.720 --> 0:29:55.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like that's at that time, you know, pounded equal

0:29:55.360 --> 0:29:58.640
<v Speaker 2>speed right and performance right, and so the if you

0:29:58.680 --> 0:30:01.600
<v Speaker 2>could man up and get a certain pound bow, you're

0:30:01.640 --> 0:30:03.320
<v Speaker 2>automatically at an advantage.

0:30:03.440 --> 0:30:07.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and an overdraw you gotta have an overdraw. Yeah,

0:30:07.680 --> 0:30:09.720
<v Speaker 1>I had to have an overdrawn your bow that way,

0:30:09.760 --> 0:30:11.240
<v Speaker 1>you're just shooting the lightning fast.

0:30:11.440 --> 0:30:14.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness. You know. Yeah at that time, you know,

0:30:17.280 --> 0:30:21.400
<v Speaker 2>I had what I thought was the catsw oh, yeah

0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:21.719
<v Speaker 2>it was.

0:30:21.800 --> 0:30:24.520
<v Speaker 1>I was jealous. Was all I had was an eighty

0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:27.040
<v Speaker 1>pound bowl with bow with sixty five percent let off.

0:30:27.040 --> 0:30:28.080
<v Speaker 1>And I was a little jealous.

0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:30.880
<v Speaker 2>And I can't remember really any of my friends be

0:30:31.000 --> 0:30:32.160
<v Speaker 2>all to pull out. I couldn't.

0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:34.440
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't pull it, yeah, and it made me so

0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:37.000
<v Speaker 1>pissed off. I was just like, I'm like, give me

0:30:37.040 --> 0:30:38.840
<v Speaker 1>that thing, and I would try to pull it like

0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:41.920
<v Speaker 1>this is this is bullshit, Like how how can you

0:30:41.960 --> 0:30:45.560
<v Speaker 1>pull this bow? Like it's you know, not to brag

0:30:45.640 --> 0:30:48.600
<v Speaker 1>up Randy, but he kind of had superhuman strength. He's

0:30:48.640 --> 0:30:53.120
<v Speaker 1>got this superhuman grip and superhuman strength, and I've never

0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:57.800
<v Speaker 1>seen anything like it. Yeah, anyway, but anyway, back back

0:30:57.800 --> 0:30:58.560
<v Speaker 1>there to it.

0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:01.560
<v Speaker 2>So I had this this this bow I had. You know,

0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:06.120
<v Speaker 2>we worked hard, like he said, and we anyway, I

0:31:06.120 --> 0:31:08.000
<v Speaker 2>didn't know why I couldn't hit a freaking elk Like

0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:10.240
<v Speaker 2>that same day he's talking about him and his brother

0:31:10.320 --> 0:31:13.120
<v Speaker 2>went this way, I went this way. I'm hunting solo

0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:15.720
<v Speaker 2>and I have these bults, Like I have a bull

0:31:15.800 --> 0:31:19.280
<v Speaker 2>come in twenty yards, I can't hit it. I missed

0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:21.160
<v Speaker 2>the one that I was pretending to be a both

0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:22.960
<v Speaker 2>with my bow upside down my head. He came at

0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:25.920
<v Speaker 2>twenty yards. I couldn't hit it, multiple times, time after

0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:32.480
<v Speaker 2>time through that course of art first few years, Like

0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:36.120
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't freaking hit one, and I don't. I didn't

0:31:36.120 --> 0:31:38.800
<v Speaker 2>know what was wrong, Like I honestly couldn't. I couldn't

0:31:38.800 --> 0:31:42.880
<v Speaker 2>pinpoint it. I was so frustrated. I was disheartened. I

0:31:43.560 --> 0:31:46.400
<v Speaker 2>was so far from hitting elk. I never even wounded one,

0:31:47.000 --> 0:31:49.640
<v Speaker 2>Like it was ridiculous.

0:31:49.640 --> 0:31:52.400
<v Speaker 1>What was the pivot? What was the pivoting point? Like,

0:31:52.600 --> 0:31:54.960
<v Speaker 1>when did you figure out what you were doing wrong?

0:31:56.200 --> 0:32:01.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, I was whitetail hunting, and I've been white tail

0:32:02.000 --> 0:32:05.520
<v Speaker 2>hunting on the ground. I had two we'll call them brothers,

0:32:05.720 --> 0:32:08.520
<v Speaker 2>white tail nice five byce coming in.

0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:12.000
<v Speaker 1>We're in ten point to the eastern folks.

0:32:11.800 --> 0:32:15.600
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, And and it's cattle country on the verge

0:32:15.600 --> 0:32:20.200
<v Speaker 2>of a huge canyon, right it's it's this canyon is

0:32:20.240 --> 0:32:23.360
<v Speaker 2>known to everybody, all the locals. Is literally a hell

0:32:24.440 --> 0:32:27.160
<v Speaker 2>and so I'm hunting the top of that where it

0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:29.680
<v Speaker 2>comes out on top. It's kind of prairie land on top,

0:32:29.960 --> 0:32:35.800
<v Speaker 2>and there's a coupond there and we we hate derk

0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:38.320
<v Speaker 2>and I hate for everybody. We knew, all the farmers.

0:32:38.360 --> 0:32:40.560
<v Speaker 2>They let us have permission to hunt everybody. We had

0:32:40.600 --> 0:32:43.440
<v Speaker 2>special rights to some of this private land because of

0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:45.080
<v Speaker 2>all our effortin right.

0:32:45.160 --> 0:32:48.200
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, this worked our butts off for these farmers.

0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:52.040
<v Speaker 2>Farmers. Yeah, they freaking loved us, you know that.

0:32:52.080 --> 0:32:54.760
<v Speaker 1>One guy's like, if you want to shoot an milk,

0:32:54.800 --> 0:32:58.680
<v Speaker 1>you have to shoot two though, Like no, no, yeah, yeah,

0:32:58.720 --> 0:33:00.440
<v Speaker 1>He's like, no, no, you have to shoot two of them.

0:33:00.520 --> 0:33:03.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. They they literally encourage us to thin the herd.

0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:06.400
<v Speaker 2>They wanted these elk off their property, so their food. Yeah.

0:33:06.400 --> 0:33:10.080
<v Speaker 2>The pivotal point for me killing something with my bow

0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:13.760
<v Speaker 2>was I was whitetail hating. I always enjoyed elk haning

0:33:13.760 --> 0:33:16.040
<v Speaker 2>in the morning because they were very active. They they

0:33:16.080 --> 0:33:19.360
<v Speaker 2>called a lot back in those days, but not so

0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:22.440
<v Speaker 2>much in the evening for my taste. And I honestly,

0:33:22.480 --> 0:33:24.600
<v Speaker 2>I didn't care to hunt elk in the evening as

0:33:24.680 --> 0:33:27.040
<v Speaker 2>much as I did whitetail because the white tail in

0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:30.560
<v Speaker 2>that country, there's some beautiful bucks, and I really wanted

0:33:30.560 --> 0:33:32.800
<v Speaker 2>to get one of these big bucks with my bow.

0:33:33.760 --> 0:33:36.280
<v Speaker 2>And I'd got busted a few times on the ground

0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:40.640
<v Speaker 2>where they came in out of this big canyon to

0:33:40.760 --> 0:33:44.240
<v Speaker 2>this cow pond, and so I decided to build a

0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:47.520
<v Speaker 2>tree stand, you know. So it was like noon, two

0:33:47.560 --> 0:33:50.200
<v Speaker 2>o'clock in the afternoon. It took me a couple hours,

0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:55.360
<v Speaker 2>and I built. I had a little Mechita screw gun,

0:33:55.480 --> 0:33:57.760
<v Speaker 2>and I built me a tree stand out of two

0:33:57.760 --> 0:34:00.840
<v Speaker 2>by fours and climbed up in it, and I had

0:34:01.280 --> 0:34:05.360
<v Speaker 2>a burl sack kind of blind around it to block

0:34:05.440 --> 0:34:11.880
<v Speaker 2>my motion. And so there sweat is hot. It was

0:34:12.000 --> 0:34:15.200
<v Speaker 2>very hot, you know. I remember the heat. And I

0:34:15.280 --> 0:34:17.960
<v Speaker 2>get up in that thing and it's like two o'clock

0:34:18.000 --> 0:34:20.080
<v Speaker 2>and I have to wait till like seven thirty. So,

0:34:20.320 --> 0:34:24.799
<v Speaker 2>you know, I got five hours roughly before the last

0:34:24.840 --> 0:34:27.440
<v Speaker 2>thirty minutes when actually White Hill come out, you know.

0:34:28.320 --> 0:34:35.200
<v Speaker 2>So I'm sitting there and two three hours later, here

0:34:35.280 --> 0:34:39.040
<v Speaker 2>comes a combined like it just happens to be. It

0:34:39.160 --> 0:34:42.200
<v Speaker 2>just happens to be, you know, time to harvest. And

0:34:42.239 --> 0:34:45.120
<v Speaker 2>so about every forty minutes this combine would go by

0:34:45.200 --> 0:34:48.960
<v Speaker 2>two or three times before dark set in. He had

0:34:49.120 --> 0:34:52.400
<v Speaker 2>come swathen by and wave at me and my tree stand.

0:34:52.440 --> 0:34:55.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm on them. I'm on the on the cattle side

0:34:55.640 --> 0:34:58.799
<v Speaker 2>of this fence line, and you know, I'm a high

0:34:58.920 --> 0:35:01.640
<v Speaker 2>with this guy and he's eat, He's gotten the eat,

0:35:01.760 --> 0:35:05.759
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, are you freaking kidding me? You know?

0:35:06.719 --> 0:35:09.680
<v Speaker 2>And so as it. You know, we're in the last

0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:12.799
<v Speaker 2>half hour daylight and I'm glass and I can see

0:35:12.840 --> 0:35:15.800
<v Speaker 2>the deer coming out, but they're they're three hundred yards away,

0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:19.520
<v Speaker 2>you know. And I'm like this, this guy in the combine,

0:35:20.320 --> 0:35:22.279
<v Speaker 2>it's got everything fouled up where I'm at. They're not

0:35:22.320 --> 0:35:24.520
<v Speaker 2>coming into this cowpond and they're gonna come in out

0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:29.359
<v Speaker 2>down here, and I need to make a decision. Am

0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:31.680
<v Speaker 2>I going to go try and sneak this fence line

0:35:31.680 --> 0:35:34.000
<v Speaker 2>that has brushed on the bob wire and try and

0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:35.799
<v Speaker 2>get in a position to shoot one of these deer

0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:37.480
<v Speaker 2>because I'm literally deer hunting.

0:35:37.800 --> 0:35:39.759
<v Speaker 1>But I have I have.

0:35:39.719 --> 0:35:43.239
<v Speaker 2>An ELK tag, you know, so I'm gonna move in

0:35:43.280 --> 0:35:45.680
<v Speaker 2>on these deer. I take one look back down to

0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:50.040
<v Speaker 2>this canyon that's literally a hell hole, and there's a

0:35:50.120 --> 0:35:53.759
<v Speaker 2>hurd ELK thirty yards from me coming out of this

0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:59.879
<v Speaker 2>canyon on this trail to this cowpond, and the lead

0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:04.080
<v Speaker 2>out comes up and let's call my feet twelve to

0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:07.359
<v Speaker 2>fourteen feet off the ground, off this homemade tree stand thing,

0:36:08.640 --> 0:36:11.560
<v Speaker 2>and she comes in. She's at seven yards or less.

0:36:12.360 --> 0:36:15.000
<v Speaker 2>Like it's a down it's a downward shot for me.

0:36:16.280 --> 0:36:19.200
<v Speaker 2>Pretty steep angle, pretty steep angle, straight, you know, it's

0:36:19.200 --> 0:36:23.960
<v Speaker 2>pretty down right, And she knows something's up, like I

0:36:24.000 --> 0:36:26.560
<v Speaker 2>can tell. She's alert. She knows something's up. But I'm

0:36:26.560 --> 0:36:29.200
<v Speaker 2>not calling. I'm silent, you know, I'm I'm white tail hut.

0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:35.560
<v Speaker 2>And where we're at it's it's bowls or cows. And

0:36:37.280 --> 0:36:40.040
<v Speaker 2>I have this I have to reach over with my

0:36:40.239 --> 0:36:43.360
<v Speaker 2>burlac sac covering to get my bow over the top

0:36:43.440 --> 0:36:47.000
<v Speaker 2>of it to be able to shoot straight down at her.

0:36:48.080 --> 0:36:52.480
<v Speaker 2>And right before I pull the trigger, well, it's like

0:36:52.680 --> 0:36:55.759
<v Speaker 2>I always do. I don't know. Let me say I've

0:36:55.760 --> 0:36:58.200
<v Speaker 2>shot at fifteen olcause this time haven't hit one yet,

0:36:58.360 --> 0:37:00.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, it was ridiculous back in the those days.

0:37:01.560 --> 0:37:08.920
<v Speaker 2>And right before I squeeze on my release, I notice

0:37:09.200 --> 0:37:14.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm not looking through my peep site like I ain't

0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:18.640
<v Speaker 2>I see my pins right, you know, and my pins

0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:21.200
<v Speaker 2>on the elk, but my peep sites clear off to

0:37:21.280 --> 0:37:23.879
<v Speaker 2>the right side of my face. I don't even care

0:37:23.920 --> 0:37:24.880
<v Speaker 2>where that thing's.

0:37:24.640 --> 0:37:26.640
<v Speaker 1>Out, not even close, not even close.

0:37:27.760 --> 0:37:29.799
<v Speaker 2>And it dawned on me at that time. That's why

0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:32.680
<v Speaker 2>I missed all those previous elk because of the excitement

0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:34.560
<v Speaker 2>of the moment. I mean, like, this is a cow,

0:37:35.160 --> 0:37:38.960
<v Speaker 2>like she's the lead cow, and my heart's beating a

0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:42.239
<v Speaker 2>thousand miles an hour, right, And because I've missed so

0:37:42.320 --> 0:37:45.319
<v Speaker 2>many now I'm frustrated. I'm angry with myself and all

0:37:45.320 --> 0:37:48.640
<v Speaker 2>this stuff's going on emotionally inside of me. And but

0:37:48.640 --> 0:37:54.960
<v Speaker 2>but probably because I had the screen of this camouflage

0:37:55.200 --> 0:38:00.080
<v Speaker 2>burlap sack and I'm in a tree stand that like,

0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:03.240
<v Speaker 2>I have a few extra seconds before I pull the trigger,

0:38:03.239 --> 0:38:05.640
<v Speaker 2>and I, for some reason I realized I'm not looking

0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:08.439
<v Speaker 2>through that peep site, so I pulled the peep site

0:38:08.520 --> 0:38:13.760
<v Speaker 2>in I'm like, oh man, that's where I've been going wrong.

0:38:14.680 --> 0:38:17.600
<v Speaker 2>And I shoot that cow, which you know, that's the

0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:20.239
<v Speaker 2>extended story. I did get the cow. It was great,

0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:21.360
<v Speaker 2>she dropped in her tracks.

0:38:21.400 --> 0:38:26.080
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, dude, that's it's tough to hear that. Like, yea,

0:38:26.880 --> 0:38:30.239
<v Speaker 1>but some people go there like for even further, you know,

0:38:30.320 --> 0:38:34.840
<v Speaker 1>years and years, Like they don't diagnose their their issue.

0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:38.800
<v Speaker 1>They black out, they do whatever they're not. They just

0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:41.080
<v Speaker 1>get so caught up in excitement, excited in the moment

0:38:41.120 --> 0:38:43.799
<v Speaker 1>they forget their shot process. So that was cool that

0:38:43.880 --> 0:38:46.280
<v Speaker 1>you were able to finally catch yourself in that moment

0:38:46.280 --> 0:38:49.279
<v Speaker 1>and be like, oh, I see what I've been doing, right,

0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:51.000
<v Speaker 1>that's what I've been missing. Yeah.

0:38:51.040 --> 0:38:54.840
<v Speaker 2>So unfortunately for me, you know, I I realize that,

0:38:55.040 --> 0:38:59.480
<v Speaker 2>but that's probably eight years after I started bow hunting

0:38:59.560 --> 0:39:01.879
<v Speaker 2>or some We're in there and Dirk been killing out

0:39:01.960 --> 0:39:03.720
<v Speaker 2>the whole time, you know, and I'm.

0:39:03.600 --> 0:39:08.439
<v Speaker 1>Like just like, I'm like, what the hell's going on?

0:39:08.600 --> 0:39:09.640
<v Speaker 1>You know, and.

0:39:09.760 --> 0:39:12.960
<v Speaker 2>Dirk's just knocking tag after tag, you know, and I'm like,

0:39:12.960 --> 0:39:14.160
<v Speaker 2>what the hell's wrong with me?

0:39:14.760 --> 0:39:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, you had a pretty good run with a with

0:39:18.680 --> 0:39:22.600
<v Speaker 1>a tree stand hunting. Yeah, like another time you shot

0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:25.960
<v Speaker 1>a spike bowl out of a tree stand by a pond.

0:39:26.120 --> 0:39:27.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like.

0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:30.479
<v Speaker 1>A lesson you wanted to you know, early season, hot

0:39:30.520 --> 0:39:33.040
<v Speaker 1>season places where you elk need not a lot of water,

0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:35.880
<v Speaker 1>but there's cow ponds or there's ponds around. It's a

0:39:35.880 --> 0:39:38.239
<v Speaker 1>great place to put a tree stand. You shot a

0:39:38.280 --> 0:39:41.920
<v Speaker 1>spike that had a broken skull. Yes, that was That

0:39:42.040 --> 0:39:44.400
<v Speaker 1>was always crazy. I always like to tell that story

0:39:44.400 --> 0:39:46.520
<v Speaker 1>to people when they're talking about weird stuff they found

0:39:46.560 --> 0:39:47.160
<v Speaker 1>in the woods.

0:39:47.320 --> 0:39:50.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was. That was inner and so as you said,

0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:52.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, so after that, I kind of got on

0:39:53.000 --> 0:39:55.280
<v Speaker 2>into the tree stand el cunning for a little while,

0:39:55.920 --> 0:39:58.520
<v Speaker 2>and I had a purple tree stand. I put on

0:39:58.600 --> 0:39:59.799
<v Speaker 2>the same pack frame we.

0:39:59.680 --> 0:40:03.600
<v Speaker 1>Talked screw screw two by four. Yeah, into the tree

0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:04.360
<v Speaker 1>with you, Pakita.

0:40:04.480 --> 0:40:06.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I went all out and bought me one of

0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:09.640
<v Speaker 2>these portable tree stands. Job. It wasn't a self climber.

0:40:09.640 --> 0:40:11.440
<v Speaker 2>It was when you had to you know, screw in

0:40:11.520 --> 0:40:12.080
<v Speaker 2>peg deal.

0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:12.520
<v Speaker 1>I was.

0:40:12.719 --> 0:40:18.080
<v Speaker 2>I was a screwing pig tree stand guy. And so yeah,

0:40:18.160 --> 0:40:21.400
<v Speaker 2>I screw in, put my stand up and the same

0:40:21.480 --> 0:40:25.000
<v Speaker 2>pack frame we talked about about me pranking, prank, being

0:40:25.040 --> 0:40:28.800
<v Speaker 2>prankster down in the back country, you know, the same

0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:34.440
<v Speaker 2>same darn thing, same backpack. You know. It's like, I

0:40:34.880 --> 0:40:37.960
<v Speaker 2>leave my backpack at the bottom of my tree because

0:40:38.120 --> 0:40:40.480
<v Speaker 2>while I'm up in the tree, and I'm only fifteen

0:40:40.520 --> 0:40:43.840
<v Speaker 2>feet up because I'm over a pond, it's thirty seven

0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:48.080
<v Speaker 2>yards across the furthest point from from me. It's five

0:40:48.280 --> 0:40:51.280
<v Speaker 2>twenty in the afternoon. I remember it like yesterday. Bear

0:40:51.360 --> 0:40:54.719
<v Speaker 2>comes in on the same trail that I hiked in

0:40:55.200 --> 0:40:57.839
<v Speaker 2>and I could tell he sniffing my trail and he's

0:40:57.880 --> 0:41:00.839
<v Speaker 2>sniffing to me, and he sniff all the way to

0:41:00.880 --> 0:41:04.719
<v Speaker 2>the base of my tree and he rattles the buckles

0:41:04.719 --> 0:41:07.840
<v Speaker 2>and stuff on my little backpack. Oh really, yeah, and

0:41:08.920 --> 0:41:12.440
<v Speaker 2>it scared it. It startled him, and he pounced off,

0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:14.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of reminded me of like a meal

0:41:14.719 --> 0:41:17.080
<v Speaker 2>deer the way he left out through the tall grass,

0:41:17.200 --> 0:41:19.719
<v Speaker 2>kind of bounced down there. And so he bounced on

0:41:19.840 --> 0:41:23.520
<v Speaker 2>out of there. And then I sat there for another

0:41:24.160 --> 0:41:27.279
<v Speaker 2>two hours. It was in the seven o'clock range now,

0:41:28.120 --> 0:41:31.640
<v Speaker 2>and I thought, man, so why I'm here is because

0:41:31.680 --> 0:41:34.719
<v Speaker 2>I seen twenty five head and some bulls here the

0:41:34.800 --> 0:41:38.279
<v Speaker 2>day before. Yeah, of elk. So I decided I'm going

0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:40.160
<v Speaker 2>to set up here and try and you know, I

0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:42.839
<v Speaker 2>know they're here. I know they come out just before dark,

0:41:43.960 --> 0:41:46.000
<v Speaker 2>and so I want to get things fired up just

0:41:46.040 --> 0:41:49.759
<v Speaker 2>a tad bit earlier because I'm hunting now. So I

0:41:49.880 --> 0:41:53.360
<v Speaker 2>decided to do some calling from this tree stand and

0:41:54.600 --> 0:41:56.920
<v Speaker 2>two two and a half hours after I've been in

0:41:57.000 --> 0:42:00.440
<v Speaker 2>this tree stand, I do some cow caols and bugle,

0:42:01.840 --> 0:42:05.239
<v Speaker 2>and I'm not kidding at all. Forty yards across from me,

0:42:06.120 --> 0:42:08.279
<v Speaker 2>a spike gets up out of the brush. He been

0:42:08.360 --> 0:42:10.640
<v Speaker 2>betted down there the whole time, the whole time I

0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:13.040
<v Speaker 2>climbed the tree, the whole time I set up my

0:42:13.080 --> 0:42:13.720
<v Speaker 2>tree stand.

0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:15.919
<v Speaker 1>The bear, the whole deal.

0:42:16.040 --> 0:42:19.279
<v Speaker 2>He been betted down with inside of me that I

0:42:19.280 --> 0:42:22.239
<v Speaker 2>couldn't see because he was betted down in the brush

0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:27.040
<v Speaker 2>and whatnot. He stands up and he circles over, and

0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:29.560
<v Speaker 2>this to me was the first time I ever passed

0:42:29.640 --> 0:42:31.960
<v Speaker 2>up And Ok, he's a spike bowl and I knew

0:42:32.000 --> 0:42:34.160
<v Speaker 2>there was a nice bowl there because I'd seen him

0:42:34.440 --> 0:42:37.279
<v Speaker 2>the night before, so I decided not to shoot him.

0:42:37.280 --> 0:42:39.640
<v Speaker 2>He's at thirty seven yards. He's bellied deep in this

0:42:40.120 --> 0:42:43.239
<v Speaker 2>cow pond, and he gets out of the pond. He

0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:45.919
<v Speaker 2>circles around. He literally gets in the same trail that

0:42:45.920 --> 0:42:49.520
<v Speaker 2>that bear walked in, and he followed that bear's trail

0:42:49.680 --> 0:42:52.400
<v Speaker 2>in my trail all the way up to the buckles.

0:42:52.719 --> 0:42:57.440
<v Speaker 2>He's seven feet below my heels in this tree stand.

0:42:57.880 --> 0:43:00.200
<v Speaker 2>Like I can see his fuzzy little elk corn, you know,

0:43:00.200 --> 0:43:02.640
<v Speaker 2>he hadn't rubbed his velvet is the first two days

0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:08.000
<v Speaker 2>of season, late August, and yeah, I passed him up

0:43:08.760 --> 0:43:13.680
<v Speaker 2>and then he turns, wrinkles my back, back turns and

0:43:13.719 --> 0:43:16.200
<v Speaker 2>he walks back and he circles back around and gets

0:43:16.239 --> 0:43:18.760
<v Speaker 2>bellied deep in the pond again. And he's at thirty

0:43:18.760 --> 0:43:20.920
<v Speaker 2>seventy yards. I him with my range fire. I'm like,

0:43:21.719 --> 0:43:25.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm shooting him. You had, you had your chance to

0:43:25.640 --> 0:43:29.719
<v Speaker 2>get away, and so I shoot him and my arrow goes,

0:43:30.000 --> 0:43:33.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, passed through, which I'm like, you know, I'm

0:43:33.400 --> 0:43:37.120
<v Speaker 2>super excited he passed through. And he runs forty yards

0:43:37.160 --> 0:43:51.520
<v Speaker 2>and piles up that. Yeah, he had he he had

0:43:51.680 --> 0:43:56.200
<v Speaker 2>spikes and his right side and his whole skull plate

0:43:56.320 --> 0:43:59.799
<v Speaker 2>between the spikes were broken, and he would I don't

0:43:59.800 --> 0:44:03.879
<v Speaker 2>think unimate through the winter honestly, because he had rott

0:44:04.040 --> 0:44:06.200
<v Speaker 2>in his head and brain like he had.

0:44:06.320 --> 0:44:09.120
<v Speaker 1>He had seat down inside there inside the brain hole.

0:44:09.239 --> 0:44:11.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, something broke him. I don't know how is he

0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:15.000
<v Speaker 2>not dead? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah.

0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:17.280
<v Speaker 1>You know you see a ton of bulls with broken

0:44:17.280 --> 0:44:22.160
<v Speaker 1>pedicles and weird antler configurations and weird like like the

0:44:22.200 --> 0:44:24.839
<v Speaker 1>pedicle and the complete wrong spot on their head. But

0:44:24.920 --> 0:44:29.000
<v Speaker 1>I wonder do they reheal after all that and then

0:44:29.120 --> 0:44:30.200
<v Speaker 1>just like they make it.

0:44:31.200 --> 0:44:33.440
<v Speaker 2>I think this is a different deal though, because you know,

0:44:33.520 --> 0:44:35.680
<v Speaker 2>you're talking about clear out on a brown tying and

0:44:35.719 --> 0:44:38.240
<v Speaker 2>above to the whale tails or whatever something.

0:44:38.320 --> 0:44:41.319
<v Speaker 1>But but they're they're like the pedicle right, it's like

0:44:41.320 --> 0:44:43.880
<v Speaker 1>in the wrong spot on their melon, right on their skull.

0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:45.600
<v Speaker 1>It's not in the right spot.

0:44:45.719 --> 0:44:48.879
<v Speaker 2>His skull cap between his eyes were broken, like where

0:44:48.880 --> 0:44:53.239
<v Speaker 2>it stitched together. Yeah, how did that happen? I have

0:44:53.320 --> 0:44:57.200
<v Speaker 2>no idea. I always wonder that. I don't know. I mean,

0:44:57.960 --> 0:44:59.040
<v Speaker 2>maybe who knows.

0:44:59.120 --> 0:45:01.600
<v Speaker 1>But there's there's the road in a highway close by,

0:45:01.719 --> 0:45:03.439
<v Speaker 1>you know, within a mile or two.

0:45:03.640 --> 0:45:08.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it could have happened. The shootures in the

0:45:08.360 --> 0:45:11.840
<v Speaker 2>skull was broken. Didn't you say it had maggots? It hadn't.

0:45:12.120 --> 0:45:14.360
<v Speaker 2>He had an infection in maggots down inside of his

0:45:14.360 --> 0:45:17.440
<v Speaker 2>skull plate. And there's no way he would have lived

0:45:17.440 --> 0:45:20.880
<v Speaker 2>through the winter. So I got him, yeah, you know,

0:45:21.120 --> 0:45:24.120
<v Speaker 2>and he was good. Yeah. I got my wife's uncle,

0:45:24.680 --> 0:45:28.520
<v Speaker 2>uncle Fred, come come out and help help me pack

0:45:28.600 --> 0:45:31.920
<v Speaker 2>him out. You know, we got him. And anyway, that

0:45:32.040 --> 0:45:35.520
<v Speaker 2>was there was another you know, early time elk killing

0:45:35.600 --> 0:45:40.239
<v Speaker 2>for me. That I realized my pins and yards. That's

0:45:40.280 --> 0:45:44.400
<v Speaker 2>the first Elk I had ever effectively used the rangefinder on.

0:45:44.719 --> 0:45:47.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, you know what year that was two thousand,

0:45:49.560 --> 0:45:52.960
<v Speaker 2>ninety nine or two thousand. Yeah, it was pretty Yeah, I.

0:45:52.960 --> 0:45:55.040
<v Speaker 1>Remember you had your little shanty up there at that time,

0:45:55.080 --> 0:45:56.399
<v Speaker 1>in your little cabin. Yeah.

0:45:56.440 --> 0:45:59.280
<v Speaker 2>I bought that ninety nine, so it was ninetey two thousand.

0:45:59.280 --> 0:46:01.600
<v Speaker 2>I think it was that first sure you had that place. Yeah,

0:46:02.280 --> 0:46:04.600
<v Speaker 2>so twenty five years ago. Whatever.

0:46:05.160 --> 0:46:10.160
<v Speaker 1>You know, spikes are in trouble sometimes. You know, people

0:46:10.239 --> 0:46:12.800
<v Speaker 1>are probably gonna scoff like I would never shoot a spike,

0:46:13.440 --> 0:46:17.600
<v Speaker 1>But man, I've shot I've shot a ton of spikes.

0:46:17.640 --> 0:46:21.000
<v Speaker 1>I know you have to. You know, sometimes you know

0:46:21.080 --> 0:46:23.720
<v Speaker 1>it it's well, most of the time it's not about

0:46:23.760 --> 0:46:28.560
<v Speaker 1>some majored out big rack that's gonna score x y Z.

0:46:28.840 --> 0:46:32.520
<v Speaker 1>It's just about like filling the freezer, bringing home an Elk.

0:46:33.960 --> 0:46:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, our priority is meeting the freezer. Yeah, And like

0:46:38.040 --> 0:46:40.120
<v Speaker 2>I said, that's the first that's the only time we

0:46:40.360 --> 0:46:43.240
<v Speaker 2>passed up a shot and I end up killing him anyway. Yeah,

0:46:43.360 --> 0:46:47.040
<v Speaker 2>But like for those twenty minutes until he got back

0:46:47.200 --> 0:46:49.840
<v Speaker 2>into where I killed him, I was like I shouldn't

0:46:49.880 --> 0:46:50.480
<v Speaker 2>have passed him.

0:46:51.160 --> 0:46:53.880
<v Speaker 1>I know there's we had enough time to reflect and

0:46:54.000 --> 0:46:55.480
<v Speaker 1>be like, yeah, I shouldn't.

0:46:55.760 --> 0:47:00.200
<v Speaker 2>We need we need to eat before we decide anything else. Yeah.

0:46:59.760 --> 0:47:02.960
<v Speaker 2>So that's really the heart and soul of what why

0:47:03.040 --> 0:47:06.239
<v Speaker 2>I all kind is I know you two is. Yeah,

0:47:07.000 --> 0:47:09.000
<v Speaker 2>we all want to kill big bulls. We all want

0:47:09.000 --> 0:47:13.799
<v Speaker 2>to have the trophy role. But if it you know,

0:47:13.840 --> 0:47:17.399
<v Speaker 2>if you're not fifteen miles in the back country, which

0:47:17.440 --> 0:47:20.440
<v Speaker 2>is a different conversation altogether, It'd be hard for me

0:47:20.440 --> 0:47:23.000
<v Speaker 2>to shoot a spike if I'm fifteen miles back in somewhere.

0:47:23.800 --> 0:47:30.600
<v Speaker 2>But typical weekend warrior hunting, if it's brown it down, it's.

0:47:32.239 --> 0:47:36.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, I always it's funny because people I've been there,

0:47:36.040 --> 0:47:38.200
<v Speaker 1>We've you and I've been there. We've all been there.

0:47:38.239 --> 0:47:41.239
<v Speaker 1>Like you get into some damn hell hole and you're like,

0:47:42.280 --> 0:47:45.160
<v Speaker 1>do not shoot anything except for a giant ball, Like

0:47:45.200 --> 0:47:46.800
<v Speaker 1>it's got to be like a three fifty bull or

0:47:46.800 --> 0:47:48.520
<v Speaker 1>we're not going to kill it in here. But I

0:47:48.520 --> 0:47:51.120
<v Speaker 1>feel like that's the wrong attitude. You should be like,

0:47:51.320 --> 0:47:54.360
<v Speaker 1>do not kill anything but a spike or a calf

0:47:54.440 --> 0:47:55.920
<v Speaker 1>because a spike or a calf is can be a

0:47:55.920 --> 0:47:57.799
<v Speaker 1>lot easier to get out. Then they're so good to

0:47:57.840 --> 0:48:00.160
<v Speaker 1>eat three fifty to be hard to pack out a

0:48:00.200 --> 0:48:03.759
<v Speaker 1>place like that. Yeah, and to your point, yeah, they're

0:48:03.840 --> 0:48:07.040
<v Speaker 1>so good to eat. I love spikes, they're so they're

0:48:07.080 --> 0:48:07.800
<v Speaker 1>so naive.

0:48:08.120 --> 0:48:09.799
<v Speaker 2>I would take a spike over a cow.

0:48:10.200 --> 0:48:10.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh. Yeah.

0:48:10.680 --> 0:48:13.719
<v Speaker 2>And I've shot multiple cows, and I've learned a lot

0:48:13.760 --> 0:48:17.879
<v Speaker 2>with cow killing. And I have learned that if they

0:48:17.880 --> 0:48:22.000
<v Speaker 2>have a really black mane versus a lighter ten mane,

0:48:22.840 --> 0:48:26.480
<v Speaker 2>the darker black mans are so much tender. There's so

0:48:26.600 --> 0:48:29.600
<v Speaker 2>much a young cow. It's a younger cow. Yeah. And

0:48:29.640 --> 0:48:32.759
<v Speaker 2>I've learned that because I also hunt Washington and I

0:48:32.840 --> 0:48:37.359
<v Speaker 2>get cow tags right. And you know, I've shot say,

0:48:37.640 --> 0:48:40.960
<v Speaker 2>we'll call it ten year, ten out of ten years, right,

0:48:41.320 --> 0:48:42.560
<v Speaker 2>elk of cows.

0:48:42.600 --> 0:48:44.879
<v Speaker 1>You've experimented, Yeah, And I've shot.

0:48:44.760 --> 0:48:48.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, the the ones that I believe were lead

0:48:48.160 --> 0:48:52.240
<v Speaker 2>cows versus the other cows. And if you can shoot

0:48:52.239 --> 0:48:57.960
<v Speaker 2>a cow that has a really dark mane, from my experience,

0:48:59.080 --> 0:49:03.360
<v Speaker 2>that will be the best to one on the table. Okay.

0:49:03.719 --> 0:49:06.279
<v Speaker 2>I have a really dark Maine, dark Maine, Okay. So

0:49:06.440 --> 0:49:09.239
<v Speaker 2>as they get older, they fade, the sun beats them down,

0:49:09.320 --> 0:49:13.560
<v Speaker 2>they get bleached out a little bit, and that's I'll

0:49:13.600 --> 0:49:15.960
<v Speaker 2>take that to the bank. And I believe that firmly

0:49:16.000 --> 0:49:19.120
<v Speaker 2>because I feel like I've proved that to myself. So

0:49:19.360 --> 0:49:21.360
<v Speaker 2>you guys all do what you want to do. But

0:49:21.560 --> 0:49:24.279
<v Speaker 2>if you got a cow tag, shoot the dark main one.

0:49:24.520 --> 0:49:28.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you want good food. I shot a cow

0:49:29.040 --> 0:49:31.200
<v Speaker 1>in Oregon. I had a sled Springs tag in Oregon

0:49:31.239 --> 0:49:33.279
<v Speaker 1>when I lived in Oregon for I lived there for

0:49:33.320 --> 0:49:36.959
<v Speaker 1>like five years or so. Back in my former life,

0:49:36.960 --> 0:49:38.919
<v Speaker 1>I like to call it. Back in my former career

0:49:38.920 --> 0:49:41.879
<v Speaker 1>when I worked slinging tires of lesh one. Oh yeah,

0:49:42.080 --> 0:49:45.640
<v Speaker 1>and I put in, I drew. I had some points.

0:49:45.680 --> 0:49:47.600
<v Speaker 1>I drew sled Springs back when it was easy to

0:49:47.680 --> 0:49:53.239
<v Speaker 1>draw as a resident. And one of the local ranchers said, hey, man,

0:49:53.239 --> 0:49:55.080
<v Speaker 1>you can come out. He's like, he's the one that

0:49:55.160 --> 0:49:56.799
<v Speaker 1>encouraged me. He's like, hey, you need to draw this

0:49:56.880 --> 0:49:58.799
<v Speaker 1>tag and you can come out. We got tons out.

0:49:59.040 --> 0:50:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm like, and I don't want to really not

0:50:02.120 --> 0:50:04.680
<v Speaker 1>into it. He's like, no, put in for the tag

0:50:05.080 --> 0:50:06.960
<v Speaker 1>gets tag. You can come out, you can hunt here,

0:50:07.000 --> 0:50:11.840
<v Speaker 1>you can stay here, you know, just like beyond beyond,

0:50:11.880 --> 0:50:16.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, generous with its. Yeah, I'm like okay. So

0:50:16.560 --> 0:50:18.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, hey, whatever, okay, I guess I'll put in

0:50:18.920 --> 0:50:20.879
<v Speaker 1>for it. And the guys at work are like, yeah,

0:50:20.960 --> 0:50:23.560
<v Speaker 1>you needed to put in. That's that's a really good

0:50:24.000 --> 0:50:25.919
<v Speaker 1>There's a ton of elk that that's the one that's

0:50:26.000 --> 0:50:27.640
<v Speaker 1>the people would kill to go there.

0:50:27.680 --> 0:50:29.160
<v Speaker 2>It's like a ten thousand acre place.

0:50:29.600 --> 0:50:32.480
<v Speaker 1>So I draw this tag. I go out there and

0:50:32.480 --> 0:50:35.399
<v Speaker 1>I hunt opening weekend and I seen that. I mean

0:50:35.440 --> 0:50:38.480
<v Speaker 1>there's elk everywhere, hundreds. It would be a herd of

0:50:38.520 --> 0:50:41.120
<v Speaker 1>four hundred elk. I'm like, oh my god, there's too

0:50:41.120 --> 0:50:43.840
<v Speaker 1>many elk. But they weren't really bugling too much. But

0:50:44.080 --> 0:50:46.239
<v Speaker 1>so I have a week off and later on I

0:50:46.320 --> 0:50:49.839
<v Speaker 1>go and I chase these elk around, and I there

0:50:49.840 --> 0:50:52.239
<v Speaker 1>were so many bowls and so many elk. Like when

0:50:52.239 --> 0:50:54.920
<v Speaker 1>I would bugle, you might as well take your bugle

0:50:54.920 --> 0:50:56.719
<v Speaker 1>too and throw it away. They didn't give a shit,

0:50:56.840 --> 0:50:59.040
<v Speaker 1>like it meant nothing to the elk. There there was

0:50:59.640 --> 0:51:03.520
<v Speaker 1>fourteen bulls bugling at all times. There's there's just too much.

0:51:03.640 --> 0:51:05.439
<v Speaker 1>I was just one another voice. Nobody give a shit.

0:51:05.960 --> 0:51:09.239
<v Speaker 1>So I had to start, you know, spot stock, you know,

0:51:09.320 --> 0:51:12.439
<v Speaker 1>crawl in, you know, try to get a shot. Oh man, yeah,

0:51:12.680 --> 0:51:16.120
<v Speaker 1>open his Ponderosa Pine. And he had a team of

0:51:16.520 --> 0:51:19.680
<v Speaker 1>laborers there that would clear the land. He was the

0:51:20.120 --> 0:51:24.440
<v Speaker 1>landowner was like paranoid for fire danger, so he limbed

0:51:24.480 --> 0:51:27.520
<v Speaker 1>every tree to like six feet, took all the limbs off,

0:51:27.600 --> 0:51:30.480
<v Speaker 1>every tree to six feet, took all the limbs, put

0:51:30.520 --> 0:51:31.560
<v Speaker 1>them in piles, burned them.

0:51:31.560 --> 0:51:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Every winter.

0:51:32.600 --> 0:51:34.759
<v Speaker 1>Like this place, I could not find a freaking stick

0:51:34.800 --> 0:51:36.879
<v Speaker 1>to rub a tree with. Like it was literally there

0:51:36.920 --> 0:51:40.200
<v Speaker 1>was no sticks on the ground because the fire danger

0:51:40.200 --> 0:51:40.960
<v Speaker 1>they were worried about.

0:51:41.120 --> 0:51:43.160
<v Speaker 2>So it's so open.

0:51:44.040 --> 0:51:46.359
<v Speaker 1>So time after time after time, I see a big

0:51:46.360 --> 0:51:48.759
<v Speaker 1>bull and a big bull with a herd. You know,

0:51:48.840 --> 0:51:52.400
<v Speaker 1>there's multiple bulls, you know, probably fourteen, fifteen, twenty bulls

0:51:52.400 --> 0:51:55.799
<v Speaker 1>in this herd of four hundred cows. And you do

0:51:55.920 --> 0:51:59.960
<v Speaker 1>like you would crawl and creep and just like get

0:52:00.040 --> 0:52:02.200
<v Speaker 1>as close and you would. I would be like, okay,

0:52:02.239 --> 0:52:05.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm in within range, and then something stupid freaking cows.

0:52:05.320 --> 0:52:07.279
<v Speaker 2>There's so many eyes it would pick me off.

0:52:07.320 --> 0:52:09.759
<v Speaker 1>So I had a ten day hunt. I'd hunted out there.

0:52:09.880 --> 0:52:12.879
<v Speaker 1>I hunted my little heart out. I had some opportunities

0:52:12.920 --> 0:52:14.960
<v Speaker 1>on some smaller bulls, but man, I really wanted it.

0:52:15.280 --> 0:52:17.200
<v Speaker 1>I wanted a herd bowl. You know, I really wanted

0:52:17.440 --> 0:52:20.160
<v Speaker 1>and things weren't like giants. These were not like, you know,

0:52:20.239 --> 0:52:22.400
<v Speaker 1>three fifty type poles. These were like, you know, like

0:52:22.560 --> 0:52:24.239
<v Speaker 1>but the biggest boll I saw was probably like a

0:52:24.280 --> 0:52:25.040
<v Speaker 1>three twenty bowl.

0:52:27.280 --> 0:52:29.120
<v Speaker 2>But I hunted all week.

0:52:29.280 --> 0:52:32.239
<v Speaker 1>And just got my ass handed to me, you know.

0:52:32.280 --> 0:52:34.520
<v Speaker 1>On the last day, you know, and I and I

0:52:35.040 --> 0:52:37.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, some people probably turn their nose up to this.

0:52:37.120 --> 0:52:40.279
<v Speaker 1>But on the last day, I'm heading back. It just

0:52:40.440 --> 0:52:43.480
<v Speaker 1>had just gotten schooled again and I just pissed off.

0:52:43.520 --> 0:52:44.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I'm out, I'm going home.

0:52:45.600 --> 0:52:48.000
<v Speaker 1>And I'm driving back to the to the ranch house

0:52:48.040 --> 0:52:50.000
<v Speaker 1>to get my crap and load up my stuff and leave.

0:52:50.400 --> 0:52:52.319
<v Speaker 1>And there's these three cows lay next to the road

0:52:52.680 --> 0:52:55.200
<v Speaker 1>cow elk and I'm like, huh, I pull over. I

0:52:55.200 --> 0:52:57.040
<v Speaker 1>got a rattle in diesel truck. And it's like running

0:52:57.080 --> 0:52:59.719
<v Speaker 1>around around. Yeah, And I stop and look at him.

0:52:59.719 --> 0:53:01.839
<v Speaker 1>They don't pay me, no mine, So I get out

0:53:02.600 --> 0:53:06.160
<v Speaker 1>stand there my range finders zap them like fifty fifty

0:53:06.200 --> 0:53:09.319
<v Speaker 1>four yards. I'm like, they're not even looking at me.

0:53:09.360 --> 0:53:12.000
<v Speaker 1>So I'm like, huh, open up the back door, grab

0:53:12.080 --> 0:53:15.359
<v Speaker 1>my bow, walk over the side of the road, get

0:53:15.400 --> 0:53:17.319
<v Speaker 1>off the road because I shoot from the road. I

0:53:17.320 --> 0:53:19.319
<v Speaker 1>want to I want to be legal. So I get

0:53:19.320 --> 0:53:21.839
<v Speaker 1>to fifty yards of my zap again and they're still

0:53:21.840 --> 0:53:23.480
<v Speaker 1>looking out there. They're just kind of chewing. They could

0:53:23.600 --> 0:53:29.120
<v Speaker 1>not paying attention, like they don't care. And finally I'm like, man,

0:53:30.080 --> 0:53:32.040
<v Speaker 1>if that want, if they would stand up, I might

0:53:32.120 --> 0:53:35.520
<v Speaker 1>shoot that one. I might shoot that biggest one. So

0:53:35.600 --> 0:53:38.360
<v Speaker 1>I start like I start, I start making eat calls

0:53:38.360 --> 0:53:42.680
<v Speaker 1>with my mouth yea, And finally they they stand up.

0:53:42.719 --> 0:53:44.640
<v Speaker 1>In this one in the middle, I wanted to shoot.

0:53:44.840 --> 0:53:48.120
<v Speaker 1>She started get up, but she kind of like she

0:53:48.200 --> 0:53:50.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of like had a struggle. I kind of goot

0:53:50.080 --> 0:53:52.879
<v Speaker 1>up like like kind of hurt, like she's like this

0:53:52.960 --> 0:53:58.120
<v Speaker 1>old cow right. I have my bow drawn back, put

0:53:58.120 --> 0:54:00.759
<v Speaker 1>my fifty yard ten I shoot, and I see my arrow.

0:54:00.760 --> 0:54:02.320
<v Speaker 1>It's like it's all in slow motion. I see my

0:54:02.440 --> 0:54:05.640
<v Speaker 1>arrow go high. You see it higher than her back,

0:54:06.120 --> 0:54:08.920
<v Speaker 1>and then it just disappears. And I don't hear a noise.

0:54:08.960 --> 0:54:11.399
<v Speaker 1>I don't hear nothing. There's no reaction. She don't even

0:54:11.520 --> 0:54:13.680
<v Speaker 1>batter ear or she won't even blink. I'm just like,

0:54:14.680 --> 0:54:17.399
<v Speaker 1>how could I How did I miss? I'm like that

0:54:17.480 --> 0:54:19.600
<v Speaker 1>felt such like such a good release. So I grab

0:54:19.600 --> 0:54:21.799
<v Speaker 1>another row, put it on there, and I start, I'm like,

0:54:21.840 --> 0:54:24.600
<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, Like, if if I didn't hit it

0:54:24.640 --> 0:54:27.480
<v Speaker 1>on that shot, I have no business shooting again because

0:54:28.600 --> 0:54:29.879
<v Speaker 1>that was like the perfect shot.

0:54:30.200 --> 0:54:32.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then so.

0:54:32.080 --> 0:54:34.360
<v Speaker 1>I just know I stop. I'm like, okay, I'm not

0:54:34.320 --> 0:54:36.040
<v Speaker 1>going to shoot again. And I look and she kind

0:54:36.040 --> 0:54:38.759
<v Speaker 1>of like she starts looking around with her head like

0:54:38.840 --> 0:54:42.319
<v Speaker 1>something's something's wrong, Like she she's looking around like, hey,

0:54:42.320 --> 0:54:44.120
<v Speaker 1>what what's going on here? And all of a sudden,

0:54:44.440 --> 0:54:47.439
<v Speaker 1>her her knees get wobbly and she tips over dead

0:54:47.520 --> 0:54:50.040
<v Speaker 1>like this is like thirty like not even thirty seconds.

0:54:50.160 --> 0:54:50.359
<v Speaker 2>Nice.

0:54:50.400 --> 0:54:53.919
<v Speaker 1>She tips over feet in the air, dead Like I've

0:54:53.920 --> 0:54:57.480
<v Speaker 1>never seen an elk die with an arrow hit that

0:54:57.640 --> 0:55:00.400
<v Speaker 1>fast in my life. So I get over there and

0:55:00.440 --> 0:55:04.920
<v Speaker 1>it and it'd shot and it had passed through and

0:55:04.960 --> 0:55:07.040
<v Speaker 1>the arrow was like twenty yards on the other side

0:55:07.040 --> 0:55:09.520
<v Speaker 1>of her and the other elk, you know, the other

0:55:09.600 --> 0:55:10.439
<v Speaker 1>COWSI ran off.

0:55:10.480 --> 0:55:12.520
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, we loaded this thing.

0:55:12.440 --> 0:55:14.839
<v Speaker 1>Up with a tractor. I mean, you know, I feel

0:55:15.120 --> 0:55:17.480
<v Speaker 1>even embarrassed even and metting this whole story, you know,

0:55:17.560 --> 0:55:20.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, for all the all the folks out there

0:55:20.960 --> 0:55:23.879
<v Speaker 1>suffering and packing mean, I mean, you know, at least

0:55:24.120 --> 0:55:25.799
<v Speaker 1>every now and then you get an easy one, right,

0:55:25.880 --> 0:55:28.759
<v Speaker 1>and so skin this thing out. You know, the arrow

0:55:28.760 --> 0:55:31.320
<v Speaker 1>hadn't even hit a rib, right, it would just a miracle.

0:55:31.320 --> 0:55:34.560
<v Speaker 1>It just went through between two ribs on both sides,

0:55:34.560 --> 0:55:38.320
<v Speaker 1>in and out and anyway, just it was a perfect

0:55:38.320 --> 0:55:41.480
<v Speaker 1>capstone to that hunt. I got even with them, damn elky,

0:55:41.680 --> 0:55:43.960
<v Speaker 1>I got me a cow, like screwing me over a

0:55:44.000 --> 0:55:46.240
<v Speaker 1>whole week. I got me a cow. I got even.

0:55:46.600 --> 0:55:49.080
<v Speaker 1>But back to your point, I can't remember. I wish

0:55:49.080 --> 0:55:52.360
<v Speaker 1>I could. I didn't even get a picture, but I

0:55:53.360 --> 0:55:55.600
<v Speaker 1>don't know how old. I don't know what her main

0:55:55.680 --> 0:55:58.480
<v Speaker 1>looked like, but I will say like her ivories were

0:55:58.560 --> 0:56:01.760
<v Speaker 1>like worn off to nothing, Like they were tiny and black,

0:56:02.360 --> 0:56:04.560
<v Speaker 1>hardly nothing. And it was the toughest elk I've ever

0:56:04.640 --> 0:56:07.240
<v Speaker 1>een in my tires. Absolutely, it was like the worst.

0:56:07.280 --> 0:56:09.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it tasted fine, it wasn't gamy, yeah, but

0:56:09.960 --> 0:56:13.120
<v Speaker 1>it was tough, like backstraps. You had to like bring

0:56:13.160 --> 0:56:15.200
<v Speaker 1>a beef stroke or you had to make elks strogan

0:56:15.280 --> 0:56:15.920
<v Speaker 1>off out of them.

0:56:15.920 --> 0:56:19.000
<v Speaker 2>They were just oh like trying to cows are deceiving,

0:56:19.480 --> 0:56:25.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, and me hunting. So I've been blessed to

0:56:25.840 --> 0:56:31.040
<v Speaker 2>have basically two cow kill permits in Washington State for

0:56:31.280 --> 0:56:34.920
<v Speaker 2>ten plus years, but probably fifteen years. I don't know.

0:56:34.960 --> 0:56:37.400
<v Speaker 2>I have to do some math on that. But so

0:56:37.560 --> 0:56:42.479
<v Speaker 2>me and my son Ryan have both literally killed elk

0:56:43.160 --> 0:56:46.080
<v Speaker 2>multiple years. And so it's taken away from my mountain

0:56:46.160 --> 0:56:50.439
<v Speaker 2>hunting of Idaho and bowl hunting, et cetera, because I'm

0:56:50.440 --> 0:56:53.680
<v Speaker 2>a mean like I said earlier, and we get these

0:56:53.960 --> 0:56:56.959
<v Speaker 2>it's fun. Yeah, we get these cow tags. But I've

0:56:57.040 --> 0:57:01.000
<v Speaker 2>absolutely in my own world, between I mean, his amount

0:57:01.080 --> 0:57:04.719
<v Speaker 2>of kills and my amount of kills, proven that if

0:57:04.760 --> 0:57:08.960
<v Speaker 2>you can kill a cow, which is cow only for

0:57:09.080 --> 0:57:15.800
<v Speaker 2>this situation, if you've proven that you've killed the darker,

0:57:15.920 --> 0:57:21.880
<v Speaker 2>blacker maned cows, they're so they're so good. We've we've

0:57:22.040 --> 0:57:26.000
<v Speaker 2>missed early on. We've shot some of the browner, tanner

0:57:26.480 --> 0:57:31.200
<v Speaker 2>colored mans. You can't chew them like you're talking about.

0:57:31.240 --> 0:57:33.680
<v Speaker 2>They're they're like an old bowl. They don't have that

0:57:33.840 --> 0:57:39.280
<v Speaker 2>rut flavor. But they're tough. They're tough. They're tough man.

0:57:39.440 --> 0:57:41.960
<v Speaker 2>They've been around for a long time, you know. And

0:57:42.600 --> 0:57:45.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I a soon that I identified that, I'm like,

0:57:46.440 --> 0:57:48.240
<v Speaker 2>don't shoot that one. Shoot that one, you.

0:57:48.200 --> 0:57:51.919
<v Speaker 1>Know, burger meat and slow cracker, right, and I don't

0:57:51.960 --> 0:57:55.880
<v Speaker 1>like that. I love Backstride, I love Elksteak, I love

0:57:55.960 --> 0:57:56.560
<v Speaker 1>all that stuff.

0:57:56.600 --> 0:58:01.680
<v Speaker 2>But you know, anyway, tweet his own for you guys

0:58:01.720 --> 0:58:05.800
<v Speaker 2>out here listening to this in randy Land, which is

0:58:05.840 --> 0:58:08.760
<v Speaker 2>where I live, shoot the ones with the black Mans.

0:58:10.920 --> 0:58:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Write that down right right that down well, Now, in

0:58:16.120 --> 0:58:22.320
<v Speaker 1>randy Land, it's not always been blue skies, tweety birds,

0:58:22.440 --> 0:58:26.640
<v Speaker 1>lollipop all that, like, you know, it's not. It hasn't

0:58:26.680 --> 0:58:31.480
<v Speaker 1>been all this like great like like lucky opportunities and

0:58:31.600 --> 0:58:35.600
<v Speaker 1>like all this stuff. There has been some unlucky things happened.

0:58:37.320 --> 0:58:37.960
<v Speaker 2>I know too.

0:58:38.440 --> 0:58:43.840
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna we're gonna start on one. Now, back to

0:58:43.880 --> 0:58:46.680
<v Speaker 1>your tree stand hunting. Yes, you were back trying to

0:58:46.760 --> 0:58:48.240
<v Speaker 1>kill a white tailed deer.

0:58:48.280 --> 0:58:49.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, on.

0:58:52.040 --> 0:58:54.760
<v Speaker 1>Out of a tree. And he had a he had

0:58:54.760 --> 0:58:58.800
<v Speaker 1>a hunting partner at the time, and yeah, tell us

0:58:58.800 --> 0:59:00.560
<v Speaker 1>about this, and this is a place you and I

0:59:00.600 --> 0:59:02.880
<v Speaker 1>had for years had seen big bucks. And yeah, I

0:59:02.920 --> 0:59:04.840
<v Speaker 1>was like, I'm a little jealous. I was like, bastard,

0:59:04.880 --> 0:59:06.080
<v Speaker 1>You're going in there and get kill one of.

0:59:06.040 --> 0:59:09.360
<v Speaker 2>Those big bucks. Yeah, all right, I know I know

0:59:09.400 --> 0:59:13.760
<v Speaker 2>what you're talking about and there I was, and I've

0:59:14.080 --> 0:59:19.280
<v Speaker 2>so I've targeted, like I said earlier, white tail in

0:59:19.320 --> 0:59:22.560
<v Speaker 2>the evening out of tree stands, I'll hunting in the morning,

0:59:24.080 --> 0:59:28.360
<v Speaker 2>white tail hunting in the evening. So I'd had a

0:59:28.480 --> 0:59:33.000
<v Speaker 2>tree stand set up where I'd seen some very like,

0:59:34.400 --> 0:59:38.160
<v Speaker 2>very beautiful bucks white tails, and I'm like, yes, I'm

0:59:38.160 --> 0:59:40.920
<v Speaker 2>gonna get one. So every time I sit in that stand,

0:59:40.960 --> 0:59:44.120
<v Speaker 2>I see they don't seem to come out where I'm at.

0:59:44.520 --> 0:59:49.960
<v Speaker 2>They're on this other ridge. And so I've decided I'll

0:59:49.960 --> 0:59:54.800
<v Speaker 2>put my buddy in this stand that I already had established,

0:59:54.840 --> 1:00:00.640
<v Speaker 2>and I'll pack frameman put up my own tree stand.

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<v Speaker 2>And so this country's super steep, like it's ridiculously steep.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a big bowlpline Ponderosa Pine to the layperson. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>And so the game trail is at the upper elevation

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<v Speaker 2>and this tree is below downhill of it, and so

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<v Speaker 2>and it's at a slight angle. This tree is leaning

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<v Speaker 2>because of the canyon country, et cetera. And so I

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<v Speaker 2>put in this screw in footpags, you know, to climb

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<v Speaker 2>up this tree. And I I get up there, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to consider this part of this podcast the

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<v Speaker 2>safety talk for all you people who take for granted

1:00:50.120 --> 1:00:57.120
<v Speaker 2>safety or don't consider safety now right, I'm here to

1:00:57.160 --> 1:01:03.080
<v Speaker 2>tell you need to think about it. And and this

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<v Speaker 2>is a real situation. So I'm higher in this tree,

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<v Speaker 2>which the base of the tree you can't get your

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<v Speaker 2>hands around the base of it, like you can't get

1:01:15.760 --> 1:01:23.240
<v Speaker 2>your hands around half of it. It's a giant Pondurosa bulpine.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's real dry country. It's a dry hair. And

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<v Speaker 2>when you go up these huge trees, they are one

1:01:31.080 --> 1:01:35.840
<v Speaker 2>hundred plus feet tall, you need to go up a

1:01:35.880 --> 1:01:38.960
<v Speaker 2>certain I needed to go up a certain elevation to

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<v Speaker 2>get straight across from the game trail, like to have

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<v Speaker 2>literally a horizontal shot straight to the deer as it

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<v Speaker 2>comes through this trail. I'm thirty feet in the air

1:01:54.800 --> 1:01:59.040
<v Speaker 2>because this tree base is below the trail. Right. It's steep, Yeah,

1:01:59.080 --> 1:02:02.760
<v Speaker 2>it's steep country. Is like very steep country. And there's

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<v Speaker 2>no limbs on these trees. Tell thirty feet up. They're

1:02:06.840 --> 1:02:14.560
<v Speaker 2>huge trees. And well, so a buddy of mine, which

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<v Speaker 2>I had a tree stand set up, we'll call it

1:02:18.200 --> 1:02:21.640
<v Speaker 2>a one hundred yards away roughly. I had already had

1:02:21.680 --> 1:02:24.400
<v Speaker 2>a tree stand there and it was over a watering hole,

1:02:24.480 --> 1:02:27.000
<v Speaker 2>the only water you can find between there and the river,

1:02:27.080 --> 1:02:33.680
<v Speaker 2>which is eight hundred yards downhill. So I'm like, you

1:02:33.720 --> 1:02:36.919
<v Speaker 2>go here. I'm gonna go put up this portable tree

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<v Speaker 2>stand here, and between the two of us, one of

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<v Speaker 2>us is gonna get any giant white tail because there's

1:02:42.720 --> 1:02:47.280
<v Speaker 2>a beautiful bucks here. So I get up that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>I screwing my pigs. I climb up the tree and

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<v Speaker 2>I have some five fifty cord and I'm hoisting up

1:02:55.000 --> 1:02:59.400
<v Speaker 2>my portable tree stand from the ground and I'm straddling

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<v Speaker 2>a four inch limb, which is the first limb thirty

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<v Speaker 2>feet up from the ground on a sixty grade. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's like a cow's face, cow's face, and I

1:03:18.680 --> 1:03:22.240
<v Speaker 2>just I get my backpack that has this purple tree

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<v Speaker 2>stwn and I set it on the next limb to

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<v Speaker 2>my right, and I'm straddling this four inch limb, huge

1:03:29.120 --> 1:03:33.720
<v Speaker 2>limb like you'd never suspect, right, And I set this

1:03:33.880 --> 1:03:37.600
<v Speaker 2>up there, and I start taking these little bungee cords

1:03:37.680 --> 1:03:42.280
<v Speaker 2>off of this tree stand on the backpack to unhook

1:03:42.320 --> 1:03:44.560
<v Speaker 2>it so I can set up my trees down. And

1:03:44.600 --> 1:03:46.400
<v Speaker 2>I have all these little screw and pick that I

1:03:46.440 --> 1:03:49.680
<v Speaker 2>got up to this elevation and I'm literally if you

1:03:49.720 --> 1:03:53.200
<v Speaker 2>look to your left, it's level to where I need

1:03:53.200 --> 1:03:55.000
<v Speaker 2>to shoot this white tail that I think is going

1:03:55.040 --> 1:03:58.200
<v Speaker 2>to come out at right, and it's earlier in the evening.

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<v Speaker 2>So as soon as I start unbuckling these bunging cords

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<v Speaker 2>from my tree stand the one I'm on, which is

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<v Speaker 2>the first limb from the ground that I'm straddling, I

1:04:12.320 --> 1:04:18.640
<v Speaker 2>hear this big and it shears off at the bait

1:04:18.760 --> 1:04:24.800
<v Speaker 2>at the at the tree and I fall thirty feet.

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<v Speaker 2>But because of the angles and everything, I thank god,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't gut myself on my tree pegs.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, on the way, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So I fall to the ground thirty feet. When I

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<v Speaker 2>hit the ground, I'm I'm fifteen feet from a property

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<v Speaker 2>line where there's some fence line. You know, where we're from,

1:04:57.520 --> 1:04:59.360
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of different fence you know, there's a

1:04:59.440 --> 1:05:03.000
<v Speaker 2>private properties and whatnot, and I have permissions to hunt

1:05:03.040 --> 1:05:06.800
<v Speaker 2>there and et cetera. But there's a barb wire fence.

1:05:07.440 --> 1:05:11.920
<v Speaker 2>It's a foresharing barbire fence. And I pile up in

1:05:12.000 --> 1:05:17.200
<v Speaker 2>a pile of rocks literally like it's it's decomposed granite

1:05:17.240 --> 1:05:23.400
<v Speaker 2>stone that I land in, and my heel is facing

1:05:23.480 --> 1:05:27.040
<v Speaker 2>me like my leg is shattered. I can see my

1:05:27.600 --> 1:05:31.240
<v Speaker 2>boot prints. My whole entire boot is looking at me

1:05:32.920 --> 1:05:38.520
<v Speaker 2>from below, like not up, but down behind my kneecap

1:05:38.840 --> 1:05:43.280
<v Speaker 2>like it's literally piled up. My back is in extreme pain.

1:05:43.560 --> 1:05:48.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm broken, like this is a safety situation here, right,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a life it's a life critical situation. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>piled up. We do have two way radios between me

1:05:58.160 --> 1:06:03.280
<v Speaker 2>and my hunting partner, and you know, I know, I'm

1:06:04.360 --> 1:06:10.240
<v Speaker 2>I know without a doubt that my leg is entirely destroyed.

1:06:11.920 --> 1:06:14.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what the other extents of my injuries are.

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<v Speaker 2>And I get on this two way radio. I get

1:06:17.480 --> 1:06:20.720
<v Speaker 2>my pack off, this pack frame that fell with me,

1:06:20.800 --> 1:06:23.680
<v Speaker 2>with the tree stand that fell with me, and I

1:06:23.720 --> 1:06:25.800
<v Speaker 2>dig this stuff out. I get on this two way

1:06:25.920 --> 1:06:31.960
<v Speaker 2>radio and I called to him. I'm like, hey, I've fallen.

1:06:33.640 --> 1:06:37.560
<v Speaker 2>I need help. This is emergency, right, That's all I that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. And in the meantime, I can feel my

1:06:40.200 --> 1:06:44.080
<v Speaker 2>boot swelling, my foot inside my boot swelling like like

1:06:44.160 --> 1:06:49.880
<v Speaker 2>it's it's bad, and and I I kind of army

1:06:49.960 --> 1:06:53.160
<v Speaker 2>crawl to this fence I know I need to elevate.

1:06:53.520 --> 1:06:56.320
<v Speaker 2>You know, I've been me medically trained. I was in

1:06:56.360 --> 1:07:02.120
<v Speaker 2>the military. I know that. Like it's almost it's kind

1:07:02.120 --> 1:07:04.560
<v Speaker 2>of weird, but it's almost like, I know my leg's

1:07:04.560 --> 1:07:07.560
<v Speaker 2>screwed up and I need to just elevate it, and

1:07:07.600 --> 1:07:11.120
<v Speaker 2>then I need to assess my other critical life components, right,

1:07:12.040 --> 1:07:15.240
<v Speaker 2>And so I get to a fence line and I

1:07:15.400 --> 1:07:18.320
<v Speaker 2>flip my leg up over the bottom rung of this

1:07:18.440 --> 1:07:21.520
<v Speaker 2>bob wire fence and I can just feel the bones

1:07:22.080 --> 1:07:26.280
<v Speaker 2>grinding and pouncing in there, and it just it's just

1:07:26.360 --> 1:07:29.200
<v Speaker 2>like a j off the backside. It just flops off

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<v Speaker 2>the back. My leg is destroyed, my ankle is destroyed,

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<v Speaker 2>and my back has severe pain. And so I'm I'm

1:07:40.480 --> 1:07:45.560
<v Speaker 2>in a bind, right and he's not answering right. So

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<v Speaker 2>the message I'm telling you guys right now is you

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<v Speaker 2>guys need to pick a hunting partner that you trust

1:07:52.480 --> 1:07:57.200
<v Speaker 2>and you can have accountability for and you know he's

1:07:57.240 --> 1:07:59.560
<v Speaker 2>got your back. Yeah, you know. And I hate to

1:07:59.600 --> 1:08:03.080
<v Speaker 2>say that, but my hunting partner did not have my back,

1:08:04.280 --> 1:08:09.520
<v Speaker 2>and you know he knows who he is. It it

1:08:09.520 --> 1:08:14.120
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't relevant at the time. So anyway, moving on,

1:08:16.520 --> 1:08:22.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm broken. It's two hours, three hours before dark. And

1:08:22.280 --> 1:08:24.960
<v Speaker 2>not only if my radio didn't work, I could holler

1:08:25.160 --> 1:08:28.360
<v Speaker 2>and he could hear me. We're not that far far. Yeah,

1:08:28.400 --> 1:08:31.720
<v Speaker 2>we're not that far apart. And but he's not responding,

1:08:31.760 --> 1:08:37.599
<v Speaker 2>no response, and I'm on my own, and so I

1:08:37.680 --> 1:08:40.760
<v Speaker 2>lay there. I get myself in position. I do leave

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<v Speaker 2>my boot on because I think from my military training

1:08:44.520 --> 1:08:52.320
<v Speaker 2>that apply pressure, and you know your boots are playing

1:08:52.640 --> 1:08:57.160
<v Speaker 2>my boot. My boot in itself is applying basically a splint.

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<v Speaker 2>Even though the heel was facing me, I balanced it

1:09:00.800 --> 1:09:02.760
<v Speaker 2>and it would flop back and forth over this bob

1:09:02.800 --> 1:09:07.200
<v Speaker 2>wire strand and I got it to where my body

1:09:07.240 --> 1:09:10.120
<v Speaker 2>is downhill of this bob wire fence and my my

1:09:10.200 --> 1:09:13.840
<v Speaker 2>head and chest is downhill and so everything's elevated. And

1:09:13.880 --> 1:09:16.640
<v Speaker 2>I know that's the best condition I have, and as

1:09:16.680 --> 1:09:19.360
<v Speaker 2>long as I don't have internal bleeding or external bleeding,

1:09:19.439 --> 1:09:24.080
<v Speaker 2>which I had no idea of, right because I literally

1:09:24.080 --> 1:09:28.160
<v Speaker 2>couldn't move. I like I moved enough to get myself

1:09:28.200 --> 1:09:31.040
<v Speaker 2>in that situation, but it was like it was like

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<v Speaker 2>I give up after that, right, you know, this is

1:09:33.800 --> 1:09:37.800
<v Speaker 2>this is as far as I can go. End My

1:09:37.920 --> 1:09:42.080
<v Speaker 2>back end up was broken in two places, and my

1:09:42.240 --> 1:09:48.400
<v Speaker 2>leg and ankle was shattered and destroyed. So I lay

1:09:48.439 --> 1:09:51.880
<v Speaker 2>there for two hours plus and I'm hollering. I'm on

1:09:51.920 --> 1:09:55.679
<v Speaker 2>my mic I'm trying to get support, and he's not come,

1:09:56.680 --> 1:10:01.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, And this is the guy we're like, we're

1:10:01.120 --> 1:10:09.080
<v Speaker 2>good friends and anyway, eight people amblent. He comes to

1:10:09.120 --> 1:10:14.759
<v Speaker 2>me after dark, surprised I'm alive. He's kind of chaotic,

1:10:14.880 --> 1:10:17.599
<v Speaker 2>and you know, not everybody deals with trauma the same.

1:10:18.400 --> 1:10:22.240
<v Speaker 2>He's he's out of sorts and he's gonna drive to town,

1:10:22.320 --> 1:10:25.760
<v Speaker 2>which is an hour and a half away. I'm like, no,

1:10:26.080 --> 1:10:28.640
<v Speaker 2>go to these people's houses. And I'm kind of you know,

1:10:28.680 --> 1:10:31.400
<v Speaker 2>I've had enough time to think, Yeah, you know, you

1:10:31.439 --> 1:10:33.680
<v Speaker 2>know what needs to be done. Yeah, you hiked it

1:10:33.760 --> 1:10:36.719
<v Speaker 2>this this house that's over here, and you use their phone,

1:10:36.760 --> 1:10:39.960
<v Speaker 2>you call for ambulance. So we get that going. He

1:10:40.080 --> 1:10:44.080
<v Speaker 2>does that, The ambulance comes. It takes eight people to

1:10:44.240 --> 1:10:48.200
<v Speaker 2>pack me out out of this countryside. It's nasty, right,

1:10:48.240 --> 1:10:50.920
<v Speaker 2>so I'm on a stretcher. I get packed out. We

1:10:51.000 --> 1:10:55.280
<v Speaker 2>go in there in cheat room. They is a small town,

1:10:55.320 --> 1:10:58.840
<v Speaker 2>Idaho hospital. They send me to a bigger hospital and

1:10:58.920 --> 1:11:05.240
<v Speaker 2>another town another fifty miles away. So anyway, we get

1:11:05.240 --> 1:11:09.400
<v Speaker 2>fixed up. Years go by. This kind of reminds me

1:11:09.400 --> 1:11:12.559
<v Speaker 2>of this prank I pulled on you. Yeah, right years

1:11:12.640 --> 1:11:16.280
<v Speaker 2>ago by, and you know, everything's good and we've been

1:11:16.320 --> 1:11:19.320
<v Speaker 2>friends this whole time. And then he tells me, he

1:11:19.439 --> 1:11:24.280
<v Speaker 2>confides in me that he heard me fall and when

1:11:24.320 --> 1:11:26.360
<v Speaker 2>he was in my stand that I set up for

1:11:26.439 --> 1:11:31.680
<v Speaker 2>him and put him on, he got queasy and you know,

1:11:31.880 --> 1:11:34.960
<v Speaker 2>kind of sicked himself. He thought I died immediately, and

1:11:35.000 --> 1:11:38.240
<v Speaker 2>then he heard me squalling like a well, he called

1:11:38.280 --> 1:11:40.800
<v Speaker 2>me like a little woman. You know, He's like, I

1:11:40.840 --> 1:11:43.280
<v Speaker 2>heard you crying like a little woman out there in

1:11:43.320 --> 1:11:46.559
<v Speaker 2>the woods. You know, like he's some tough guy, but

1:11:46.760 --> 1:11:49.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm the one out there in pain. Yeah. That he

1:11:49.240 --> 1:11:55.600
<v Speaker 2>left everything right, you know, And so anyway, we discontinue

1:11:55.600 --> 1:11:58.920
<v Speaker 2>our friendship after that. He left me there hoping that

1:11:58.960 --> 1:12:01.640
<v Speaker 2>I was dead by dark, and it was. It was

1:12:01.680 --> 1:12:04.040
<v Speaker 2>an hour after dark before you come to check on me.

1:12:04.960 --> 1:12:10.480
<v Speaker 2>And so lessons learned is you know, you guys that

1:12:10.479 --> 1:12:15.280
<v Speaker 2>that you hunt with and your brothers in the mountains,

1:12:15.439 --> 1:12:20.439
<v Speaker 2>and you guys need to really understand, you know, there's

1:12:20.520 --> 1:12:23.519
<v Speaker 2>there's hunting advantages where you trust each other for hunting

1:12:23.560 --> 1:12:25.920
<v Speaker 2>events and calling events and who's the shooter and all

1:12:25.960 --> 1:12:29.280
<v Speaker 2>this stuff, But there's actually a safety aspect that really

1:12:29.320 --> 1:12:33.639
<v Speaker 2>should be considered. Base you trust your life with this person. Yeah,

1:12:33.760 --> 1:12:35.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, you don't think about it because there's not

1:12:35.920 --> 1:12:40.759
<v Speaker 2>an injury. But these people that you're with, they need

1:12:40.920 --> 1:12:43.240
<v Speaker 2>you need to trust them with your life, and you

1:12:43.280 --> 1:12:45.559
<v Speaker 2>need to kind of vet them. I would say, I

1:12:45.600 --> 1:12:48.920
<v Speaker 2>feel like that you guys should talk about that before

1:12:48.960 --> 1:12:50.760
<v Speaker 2>you go hunting. How are you going to handle this

1:12:50.880 --> 1:12:53.519
<v Speaker 2>situation if this happens, what are you going to do?

1:12:54.040 --> 1:12:56.439
<v Speaker 2>You know, if you cut yourself or wound yourself or

1:12:56.479 --> 1:12:58.879
<v Speaker 2>cut an artery or you know, trip on a broadhead

1:12:58.920 --> 1:13:04.040
<v Speaker 2>goes through your your you're you know, whatever the situation is,

1:13:05.600 --> 1:13:11.679
<v Speaker 2>you guys that are out there hunting should discuss safety

1:13:11.720 --> 1:13:13.800
<v Speaker 2>protocols and how to respond to him.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, yes, And I think that's very overlooked.

1:13:17.760 --> 1:13:20.520
<v Speaker 2>Like we all will talk about like what your expectations

1:13:20.520 --> 1:13:21.000
<v Speaker 2>for hunting.

1:13:21.040 --> 1:13:22.760
<v Speaker 1>We always kind of talk about that, like oh I

1:13:22.800 --> 1:13:24.680
<v Speaker 1>want this, I want to do that, and who's going

1:13:24.760 --> 1:13:26.599
<v Speaker 1>to do this, who's gonna that, But we don't talk

1:13:26.640 --> 1:13:29.559
<v Speaker 1>about the whole safety aspect enough, Like, hey, man, if

1:13:29.720 --> 1:13:33.759
<v Speaker 1>something bad happens. This is, you know, our plan maybe whatever.

1:13:33.920 --> 1:13:38.000
<v Speaker 2>I would have never guessed in a million years that

1:13:38.160 --> 1:13:42.720
<v Speaker 2>this guy would have seized up because he got sick himself.

1:13:43.040 --> 1:13:46.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah right. He seems like a pretty I know him.

1:13:46.120 --> 1:13:48.720
<v Speaker 2>I would have never thought that, yeah, you know, and

1:13:48.760 --> 1:13:51.519
<v Speaker 2>I don't I don't really, I literally don't hold it

1:13:51.600 --> 1:13:56.920
<v Speaker 2>him against him. But he wasn't there for me, right,

1:13:57.439 --> 1:14:00.240
<v Speaker 2>you know. And and because of that, you know, we

1:14:00.280 --> 1:14:02.040
<v Speaker 2>went separate ways, you know.

1:14:02.360 --> 1:14:06.479
<v Speaker 1>Well, speaking about people having their your back, yeah, you've

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<v Speaker 1>also I've had Yeah, and now there's there's When I

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<v Speaker 1>started off, I said, this is the Misadventures of Randy,

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not just adventures, but there's been some misadventures too.

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<v Speaker 2>And then his next story.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're we're over an hour right now, but thank

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<v Speaker 1>you all for listening, and I'm gonna I gotta get

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<v Speaker 1>this story out because it's one of my favorite Andy stories.

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<v Speaker 1>You were you were late season cow hunting. You had

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<v Speaker 1>some of your your buddies from work on your crew

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<v Speaker 1>hunting with you, and you get it. You shoot this

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<v Speaker 1>elk and what happens this is yeah again, yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if it can happen to anybody, it's gonna happen, tory.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, yeah, And out of all this, I'm a survivor.

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<v Speaker 2>So there I was, like Dirk said, he you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he kind of told you we're we're at But I

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<v Speaker 2>did shoot an elk.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys were had the boat into this place. You

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<v Speaker 1>got to guess use a boat to get to this

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<v Speaker 1>place to shoot this elk?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, we we We were on a lake, north Idaho.

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<v Speaker 2>It was in late November, hunt snow, sleet, kind of cold, misery, wet,

1:15:25.439 --> 1:15:34.439
<v Speaker 2>foggy environment, and I I saw hurdle. I had a tag,

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<v Speaker 2>the shot was good. I took it, It dropped and

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<v Speaker 2>we went after it. That's the summary. Since we're late

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<v Speaker 2>in this, so we hike hundreds of yards let's call

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<v Speaker 2>it five hundred yards up up the mountain. And they

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<v Speaker 2>had marked the tim and had brushed the lower brush

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<v Speaker 2>for a future clear cut for this winter. So this's November.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of times in Idaho they timber fall in

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<v Speaker 2>in the winter months when there's you can't excuse me,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't haul logs because the roads aren't quite froze up,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera. So things have been cut, Timber been cut,

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<v Speaker 2>timber been cut well the brush. The brush had been

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<v Speaker 2>cut to get to the timber. The logs hadn't been

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<v Speaker 2>dropped yet. So I shoot this cow. There's three others

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<v Speaker 2>with me. We boat it up into this canyon country

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<v Speaker 2>and we are hunting up way up in there, and

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<v Speaker 2>life is good, like success. I'm the only one with

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<v Speaker 2>the tag. It's a special draw thing. Blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 2>Get my elk. It drops. We hike way up in there,

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<v Speaker 2>and honestly, we have to drag it down this huge

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<v Speaker 2>We have to drag it down this mountain and we

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<v Speaker 2>have to get it down to the boat, and we

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<v Speaker 2>have to load it on the boat, and then we

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<v Speaker 2>have to boat for miles down to the boat ramp

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<v Speaker 2>and we have to load it on the boat ramp,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we have to drive miles and miles take

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<v Speaker 2>it back to even the local town, which is still

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<v Speaker 2>an hour plus from the normal town that we live in,

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<v Speaker 2>right right, so we're way back in there. Well, well,

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<v Speaker 2>we get to the elk. We got the elk. That

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<v Speaker 2>ring's good and it's just snowing now. It's just coming down.

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<v Speaker 2>It's slick. It's I don't know what the grade is

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<v Speaker 2>on the hill, but it's plus steep. It's it's plus

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<v Speaker 2>foury degrees, you know, it's it's steep, and it's slippery,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's wet, and it's miserable. And I'm on the

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<v Speaker 2>downhill side of this elk, and we've all decided instead

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<v Speaker 2>it because it's just a downhill slippery drag, we'll just

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<v Speaker 2>drag it down, get it on this boat, and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>take it out hole. And so I'm on the downhill

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<v Speaker 2>of the elk, pulling on the rear leg and it's

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<v Speaker 2>just so cold and so slippery that I lose my

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<v Speaker 2>grip on it and I fall backwards downhill onto the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you know, you guys need to need to

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<v Speaker 2>picture an angle pulling and falling downhill. It's it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's quite a drop. It's very awkward. Yeah, even though

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<v Speaker 2>you're not far from the ground, it's still a considerable fall. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So I fall and I get up and something's not right.

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<v Speaker 2>I literally have an eight foch eight foot pine branch

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<v Speaker 2>hanging out of my butttalks somewhere. You've been impaled. I

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<v Speaker 2>was impaled. Yeah, I was impaled by something that was

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<v Speaker 2>brushed by loggers. And so they have an angled, sharp

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<v Speaker 2>inch and a half inch and a quarter you know

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<v Speaker 2>branch that that impaled me. And I didn't know how what.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know what the extremness of it was at

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<v Speaker 2>the time because it happened so fast. And I got

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<v Speaker 2>these three other guys who were trying to work this

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<v Speaker 2>out down and I immediately stand up from this fall

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, whoa, stop. Everybody's the top right and

1:19:29.040 --> 1:19:34.800
<v Speaker 2>I have this thing penetrating me. But we're so far back.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you know, they always say never like, never pull

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<v Speaker 2>out if you're impaled.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what they say.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what they say. That's what they say. But they

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<v Speaker 2>weren't in a place like this, and agree. I was

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<v Speaker 2>military trained, like I know that. You know, if you

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<v Speaker 2>get something stuck in your eye, put a DICKSI cup

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<v Speaker 2>over and secured. This is not the same. This is

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<v Speaker 2>an eight foot pine branch that is impaled me and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't and I don't know how deep it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's an inch. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how deep it is. I can't tell.

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<v Speaker 1>It just hurts.

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<v Speaker 2>And I stopped the show. Stop dragging the elk. Everybody, whoa, whoa, whoa,

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<v Speaker 2>Something's wrong. I'm hurt. And I'm on my feet and

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<v Speaker 2>this thing is stick it out of the back of

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<v Speaker 2>me like a peacock tail, and I don't know what,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, my instincts are draw it out right, so

1:20:30.720 --> 1:20:33.040
<v Speaker 2>because to see how, I don't know if it tore

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<v Speaker 2>through my butt, cheek or my leg or whatever. I

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<v Speaker 2>really don't know. It's pitch black. We're by the time

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<v Speaker 2>this we're wailing into the evening gets dark at four

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<v Speaker 2>thirty five o'clock this time of year, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>grab the base of it where it's touching my flesh,

1:20:49.880 --> 1:20:53.240
<v Speaker 2>and I draw it out and it's like twelve thirteen inches.

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<v Speaker 2>It went inside me and it went between my ass

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<v Speaker 2>and my tail bone, which I didn't know at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's up into my guts, and still I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know what was going on. I call over one of

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<v Speaker 2>my my hunting buddies here and without humility, have to

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<v Speaker 2>drop my drawers and say, what's the injury? Yeah, what

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<v Speaker 2>what are we going? I don't see it. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what the heck's going on. I'm like, what's the injury?

1:21:26.600 --> 1:21:30.680
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, oh my god, Oh, we need to

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<v Speaker 2>get you to the hospital. Oh my you know you're

1:21:33.800 --> 1:21:37.120
<v Speaker 2>gonna die. That's that's his impression of what he sees.

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<v Speaker 2>You're good, yeah, and we're we're so far from civilization. Yeah,

1:21:44.200 --> 1:21:47.160
<v Speaker 2>it is not convenient, and it is steep as steep

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<v Speaker 2>as a cow's face. And they decide as a team

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<v Speaker 2>that to keep me from going to shock, they should

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<v Speaker 2>feed me alcohol. This is once you got back to

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<v Speaker 2>the boat. No, no, they had in their back back.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, they're they're already celebrating a big hunt, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and we hadn't drink any yet, but they're ready, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they're they're backwoods fellas, and they're they're ready to party.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they're ready to celebrate. And so to keep

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<v Speaker 2>you from going to shock, they decided to give me alcohol, which,

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<v Speaker 2>to whoever's listening to this is, do not do this.

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<v Speaker 2>Do not drink alcohol if you've been injured in the

1:22:29.560 --> 1:22:32.200
<v Speaker 2>back country. This isn't a Western movie, right, yeah, this

1:22:32.280 --> 1:22:35.639
<v Speaker 2>ain't poor poor you know, pull the bullet out old

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<v Speaker 2>Colt forty five and dump the powder on you, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, set it on fire to catterize.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not what it is, right, So don't do this.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is what.

1:22:50.000 --> 1:22:52.960
<v Speaker 2>Randy agreed to. I don't blame them. This is the

1:22:53.160 --> 1:22:56.400
<v Speaker 2>nobody had, Nobody made me do it, nobody knew, right,

1:22:57.479 --> 1:23:01.760
<v Speaker 2>And so you know, we start drinking. They're gonna they're

1:23:01.760 --> 1:23:04.200
<v Speaker 2>gonna like keep me from going to shock by giving

1:23:04.240 --> 1:23:08.240
<v Speaker 2>me alcohol. So me and one other guy, and because

1:23:08.280 --> 1:23:12.880
<v Speaker 2>of the alcohol, my mind changes from survival mode to

1:23:13.760 --> 1:23:17.840
<v Speaker 2>when you get this elkout mode, like you know, which

1:23:17.880 --> 1:23:20.479
<v Speaker 2>is odd, it's weird. Yeah, this is weird.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you got a potential like catastrophic injury. Yeah, and

1:23:25.720 --> 1:23:27.479
<v Speaker 1>but you're like, we gotta get this elkout.

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<v Speaker 2>Still, Guys, when you get this elk out, and it

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<v Speaker 2>just so happens the boat that I have borrowed, the

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<v Speaker 2>friend of mine who owned this boat was in Afghanistan.

1:23:37.320 --> 1:23:42.320
<v Speaker 2>He trusted me with the boat, right, So I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have a boat to send the I couldn't go to

1:23:44.240 --> 1:23:46.439
<v Speaker 2>the hospital and let these guys go recover this elk

1:23:46.520 --> 1:23:48.720
<v Speaker 2>the next day. Right, That's how I thought of it.

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<v Speaker 2>And because I was, you know, unfortunately intoxicated at this point,

1:23:56.560 --> 1:24:03.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, hey, you bob, you're helping me out. These

1:24:03.800 --> 1:24:06.240
<v Speaker 2>other two guys are gonna continue to drag this helk out.

1:24:06.320 --> 1:24:08.479
<v Speaker 2>We're getting this helk out tonight and I won't accept

1:24:08.479 --> 1:24:11.519
<v Speaker 2>anything other. Yeah, right, this is what we're doing. Right,

1:24:11.600 --> 1:24:13.920
<v Speaker 2>So my butt's buckered, like I don't want to spill

1:24:13.920 --> 1:24:18.760
<v Speaker 2>a drop of blood. My butts bluckered. We get it out.

1:24:19.040 --> 1:24:20.840
<v Speaker 2>We go to the boat ramp, we load the boat,

1:24:20.920 --> 1:24:23.960
<v Speaker 2>We drive the town. We go to the local emergency room,

1:24:24.320 --> 1:24:27.960
<v Speaker 2>which just by coincidence, my wife is a nurse there.

1:24:29.040 --> 1:24:35.400
<v Speaker 2>And what the on call er doctor says to do,

1:24:36.160 --> 1:24:41.040
<v Speaker 2>she just happens to disagree with. Oh, which I give

1:24:41.120 --> 1:24:45.240
<v Speaker 2>my wife my life in this situation. She refused to

1:24:45.360 --> 1:24:47.519
<v Speaker 2>let them do what they wanted to do to me.

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<v Speaker 2>They wanted to sew up the wound. So if you

1:24:51.200 --> 1:24:53.840
<v Speaker 2>can imagine what happened is I had a plug of

1:24:53.920 --> 1:24:57.840
<v Speaker 2>five layers of clothing that was missing, like a muzzleloader

1:24:57.920 --> 1:25:04.000
<v Speaker 2>patch inside me. Oh yeah, thirteen inches. And so she

1:25:04.080 --> 1:25:06.479
<v Speaker 2>didn't know that. Nobody knew that. And when I got home,

1:25:06.520 --> 1:25:09.519
<v Speaker 2>I literally took a shower first, and I had her

1:25:09.600 --> 1:25:13.559
<v Speaker 2>inspect my wound because she's a nurse. Which that's a

1:25:13.560 --> 1:25:17.400
<v Speaker 2>lot of humility. Yeah, which remind everybody listening, is that's

1:25:17.640 --> 1:25:22.439
<v Speaker 2>below my tailbone, but above my butt, that that little

1:25:22.520 --> 1:25:24.519
<v Speaker 2>chunk of skin is where this inch and a quarter

1:25:24.680 --> 1:25:28.160
<v Speaker 2>branch went in thirteen inches right up into my guts.

1:25:28.560 --> 1:25:33.799
<v Speaker 2>And well that happened. I lost material from layers of clothing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, not to mention pieces of branch, yes, and bark,

1:25:39.439 --> 1:25:39.920
<v Speaker 1>et cetera.

1:25:40.320 --> 1:25:43.320
<v Speaker 2>So I go home. I tell my wife I'm hurt,

1:25:43.920 --> 1:25:46.360
<v Speaker 2>and I get in the shower and I'm rinsing things

1:25:46.840 --> 1:25:49.360
<v Speaker 2>and I got pine needles and I got blood and

1:25:49.439 --> 1:25:51.600
<v Speaker 2>I got everything going on, and I'm like, honey, I

1:25:51.640 --> 1:25:56.080
<v Speaker 2>think I got a problem. We go to the er.

1:25:57.000 --> 1:25:59.000
<v Speaker 2>The doctor says, oh my god, we need to sew

1:25:59.040 --> 1:26:03.599
<v Speaker 2>this up. She says, no way, this needs you need

1:26:03.640 --> 1:26:09.400
<v Speaker 2>to dig stuff out. Yeah, exactly. So we get ship quack. Yeah,

1:26:09.439 --> 1:26:17.240
<v Speaker 2>so she love her, Thank you mama. She opposes the

1:26:17.600 --> 1:26:22.240
<v Speaker 2>on call surgeon decision, and we get another ambulance who

1:26:22.920 --> 1:26:27.360
<v Speaker 2>drives me an hour plus to a larger hospital who

1:26:27.680 --> 1:26:30.720
<v Speaker 2>evaluates the situation and the next day does surgery. And

1:26:30.800 --> 1:26:34.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm in the hospital for over a week. Yeah. Yeah,

1:26:34.360 --> 1:26:35.280
<v Speaker 2>it was a bad deal.

1:26:35.920 --> 1:26:42.519
<v Speaker 1>So but talk about got your back. Those guys they

1:26:42.640 --> 1:26:47.840
<v Speaker 1>got you out of it and that's what matters. And

1:26:47.920 --> 1:26:52.679
<v Speaker 1>they got you drunk. Now here's the here's the kicker

1:26:53.040 --> 1:26:57.800
<v Speaker 1>about the be the drinking like you couldn't have anesthesia

1:26:58.320 --> 1:26:59.799
<v Speaker 1>because of drinking the alcohol.

1:26:59.880 --> 1:27:02.160
<v Speaker 2>My god, they wouldn't give me. I was so thirsty

1:27:02.200 --> 1:27:04.720
<v Speaker 2>in the emergency room. I wanted to water. They I

1:27:04.800 --> 1:27:07.960
<v Speaker 2>wanted to like they're giving me drops from a ring

1:27:08.080 --> 1:27:10.639
<v Speaker 2>drag just to give you know, they would not give

1:27:10.640 --> 1:27:15.000
<v Speaker 2>me nothing. So back to the being alcohol affected, they

1:27:15.000 --> 1:27:18.559
<v Speaker 2>will give you nothing. And maybe not even with alcohol,

1:27:18.600 --> 1:27:21.240
<v Speaker 2>they will give you nothing before surgery, which was the

1:27:21.280 --> 1:27:22.440
<v Speaker 2>next day.

1:27:22.640 --> 1:27:29.519
<v Speaker 1>So, man, what an incredible story from from people who

1:27:29.560 --> 1:27:32.679
<v Speaker 1>failed you to people who had your back, to back

1:27:32.720 --> 1:27:35.120
<v Speaker 1>in the olden days when we had a lot of

1:27:35.120 --> 1:27:38.240
<v Speaker 1>fun and did some some crazy stuff. And these are

1:27:38.280 --> 1:27:42.840
<v Speaker 1>just some of the like some of our stories that

1:27:42.880 --> 1:27:45.120
<v Speaker 1>we've had in the in the in the Elk woods

1:27:45.120 --> 1:27:48.320
<v Speaker 1>and and in the in the years that we've known

1:27:48.360 --> 1:27:50.080
<v Speaker 1>each other. You know, we didn't even talk about the

1:27:50.080 --> 1:27:52.960
<v Speaker 1>time we found a dead guy. But I think that'll be.

1:27:52.960 --> 1:27:55.680
<v Speaker 2>For another time. That's a whole nother story. That's a

1:27:55.720 --> 1:27:56.599
<v Speaker 2>whole other story.

1:27:56.640 --> 1:27:58.920
<v Speaker 1>And if we try to fit it in now, it's

1:27:59.000 --> 1:28:00.800
<v Speaker 1>not even gonna He's not just a dead guy.

1:28:00.960 --> 1:28:01.799
<v Speaker 2>He was a murderer.

1:28:01.840 --> 1:28:05.080
<v Speaker 1>He was a murderer. But uh, we're gonna have We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna we'll have that story again at a later time.

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<v Speaker 1>But uh, anyway, Randy, thanks so much again for coming

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<v Speaker 1>on here. It's people, Ranny is family. Not only not

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<v Speaker 1>only from being family from the marriage connection him his

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<v Speaker 1>wife and my wife are sisters. But I mean, we've

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<v Speaker 1>we've been together through thick and through thin. We've had

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<v Speaker 1>each other's backs, like since seventh grade. And I can

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<v Speaker 1>only hope that that the other folks out there have

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<v Speaker 1>had somebody, a good friend like Randy to to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to lean on and can fight in and and

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<v Speaker 1>and go through all their their highs and lows of life.

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<v Speaker 1>So appreciate you coming on here, Appreciate your friendship, and

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<v Speaker 1>I look forward to the next adventure.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it was fun. More adventures to come. They

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<v Speaker 2>never end right, especially with me, They never uh yeah anytime.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, thanks for being on here, and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>catch everybody on the flip flop yep.