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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Dirk Durham, and today I have my

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Speaker 1: oldest friend in the house. He's my oldest friend, he's

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Speaker 1: my best friend, and he's my brother in law. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the show, Randy Wise.

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Speaker 2: All right, thanks for having me, Dirk. It should be entertaining. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think I think it should. You're quite a character.

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Speaker 1: Now. Some people that have followed some of the films

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Speaker 1: I've been in over the years, hunting with different different folks.

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Speaker 1: I was on a hunt with Trent from Born and

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Speaker 1: Raised outdoors here a few years ago in Wyoming, and

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Speaker 1: Randy came along with his goats. He had these pack

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Speaker 1: goats and he joined the hunt and he was like

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Speaker 1: kind of filled in as a cameraman and he like

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Speaker 1: he said, He's like, I'm not a professional camera man,

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Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna say, Andy, we could all tell

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Speaker 1: by the shots you got.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate you taking notice. And for the record,

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Speaker 2: I had no instruction or classes or even hey do

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Speaker 2: this when this happens. I was just left in the

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Speaker 2: dark and.

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Speaker 1: I did what I could with what I had. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I know absolutely, and we could tell t it's like,

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Speaker 1: hey man, you want to run a camera And you're like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know sure. Like he's like, you're like, what

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Speaker 1: do I do? And he's like, push the red button

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Speaker 1: and hold the camera towards us. That was the insurrection

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Speaker 1: and it turned out. But we had a We had

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Speaker 1: a pretty good hunt, killed a couple of bulls. We

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Speaker 1: used your goats to pack one bull out and cross

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Speaker 1: the river there in Wyoming.

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Speaker 2: It was it was fun. And then the other bull

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Speaker 2: out in the river.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we we I shot a bull and it

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Speaker 1: died in the river and we had to break that

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Speaker 1: thing down in the dark in.

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Speaker 2: The river, pack it out.

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Speaker 1: It's probably the cleanest piece of meat we've ever had.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, that's all water under the bridge. Today we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about the misadventures of Randy Wise.

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Speaker 2: Being Randy.

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Speaker 1: We've been buddy since seventh grade, so if you can imagine,

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Speaker 1: you know, we've had a lifetime of fun and goofy

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Speaker 1: adventures and hunting trips and just you know, Any's family too,

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Speaker 1: so there's all the whole family aspect of it. But

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Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to rewind to back in the

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Speaker 1: olden days, if you will, and me and Randy were

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Speaker 1: high school boys. I would say we were probably freshmen

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Speaker 1: sophomores in high school. Yeah, maybe. And we went hunting.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me, we went camping in the back country of Idaho.

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Speaker 1: We're way back, one hundred miles from from the closest town.

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Speaker 1: We're right off the Montana border in the Clearwater region

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Speaker 1: of Idaho. It some of the most beautiful country you've

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Speaker 1: ever seen. The deer were so tame that we would

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Speaker 1: literally take a leak, we would urinate on the ground,

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Speaker 1: and a mule deer would would come right up.

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Speaker 2: They would come up and lick your your urinated dirt.

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Speaker 1: They would come up and lick that dirt like immediately

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Speaker 1: they sing while you're there. Yeah, why we were standing there.

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Speaker 1: I have a picture of Randy standing there right after

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Speaker 1: he peed, and there's a deer licking the pee right

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Speaker 1: like one foot away from him. It's the craziest thing

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Speaker 1: I've I've ever seen. But that that was kind of

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Speaker 1: a cool trip. We were up there with my folks

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Speaker 1: and Randy and I were like, we're not gonna camp

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Speaker 1: at the truck with these old people, right, We're a

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Speaker 1: teenagers now. We we want adventure. We're gonna go backpack.

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Speaker 1: We're going to backpack into a cool place and and

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Speaker 1: set up a tent and have a good time. So

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Speaker 1: we we we backpacked down into this basin and it

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Speaker 1: but no real trails. We get down we could see

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Speaker 1: this big flat sp It was a big, beautiful grassy flat.

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Speaker 2: It almost looked lake.

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Speaker 1: It was a little lake. Yeah, and we're like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that looks like an awesome place to camp. So we

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Speaker 2: Remember the mosquitoes. They were so bad, the mosquitoes. And

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Speaker 1: I said, okay, you go look for firewood. I'm going

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Speaker 1: he said, you got to see this, that's all you said.

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Speaker 2: You have to see you have to see this. But

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Speaker 2: you got to rewind just a little bit back to

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Speaker 2: the lake. Okay. So there we are, like you know,

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Speaker 2: we're we're in the brush on the edge of the

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Speaker 2: little bit, if you remember, and we could see bear

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Speaker 2: tracks in the mud and they were squished out like

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Speaker 2: they're giant bear tracks. You remember that.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, basically grizzly bear tracks.

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Speaker 2: In our minds, yeah, in our minds. And I believe

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Speaker 2: we're probably eighth graders. This is this is in our

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Speaker 2: first two years of our Yeah, it's unclear. I know,

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Speaker 2: we were young. We're pretty young, pretty young, and so

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Speaker 2: this is like Brandy getting his first adventure with the

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Speaker 2: Durham family, and that's how I remember it, you know.

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Speaker 2: And so here we are, like, like Dirk said, back

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Speaker 2: in the back country anyway, Yes, it's time to set

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Speaker 2: up camp. And we went miles from his parents and

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Speaker 2: we're kids, and there's this lake.

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Speaker 1: We got cans of chili in, yeah, and like no

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Speaker 1: sleeping pads and like this shitty little like yeah, two

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we got nothing. And I don't even think we

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Speaker 1: It's probably was one of those survival knives.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And so we see this big pushed out bear

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Speaker 2: this little lake. And then we needed to hike up

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Speaker 2: this Razor back ridge. Remember that big ridge that we

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Speaker 2: and the huckleberries and we're like, we need to set

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Speaker 2: up camp here. Yeah, you remember that. And it was

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Speaker 2: on the main trail. There's the only trail on this

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Speaker 1: Right, And I tell Randy, I said, you go get

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Speaker 1: So I start setting the tin up. He comes back

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Speaker 1: down like it looks like a bear. It tore up.

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Speaker 1: It's been just like wallowing and like tearing all this

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Speaker 1: big enough. It looked like a couple of a bull

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Speaker 1: elk had been fighting there. There was so much stuff

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Speaker 1: to move our tent right now. It's a grizzly bear

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Speaker 1: and he's been eating. We got to get out of here.

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Speaker 2: Right This was an unintended consequence of Randy Shenanigan's Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So the backstory is I want to take a leak,

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Speaker 2: it be fun to break all these up and put

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Speaker 2: the idea into Camp's head and that there's a big

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Speaker 2: bear and this is the only trail. So yes, there

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Speaker 2: comes over. He evaluates the situation and correctly evaluates that, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's something in here eating and rummaging and foraging, and

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Speaker 2: we should not camp.

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Speaker 1: We're right on his trail.

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Speaker 2: We should not camp here. Yeah, But what we didn't

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Speaker 2: And this trail had straight up this on the left side.

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Speaker 2: You remember, you could look off it would it would

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Speaker 2: be like a shoot in a snowmobiller's paradise, like an avalanche. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it was just straight off the left side of the canyon,

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Speaker 2: So we were on this only trail, Rocky And at

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Speaker 1: Oh. I was scared that.

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Speaker 2: I am like, we gotta go. I run down.

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Speaker 1: I grab the tent, I throw that thing together, I

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Speaker 1: throw that tear it down, throw it in my pack

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Speaker 2: We have these backpacks.

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Speaker 1: I think we got them at the Goodwill or somewhere.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh, you know, threw all of our nice

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Speaker 1: like a madman. We got to get the hell out

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Speaker 2: He wouldn't let up, and I was like more leisure

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Speaker 2: like it's fine, I know fine.

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Speaker 1: I'm just like, what are you doing?

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Speaker 2: You going to get out of here? But now I'm

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Speaker 2: hooked into this prank I've pulled and they can't go

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Speaker 2: back on it, so I have to kind of live

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Speaker 2: what I've started.

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Speaker 1: And he can't let me know. Yeah, he can't let

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Speaker 1: me know that he was him at this point. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because I'd bought it, so hrd, Yeah, he bought it.

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Speaker 2: He hooked line and zincer and we're in the darkness,

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Speaker 2: pitch black. There ain't a moon, I don't I don't

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Speaker 2: remember stars or nothing. It's one of them pitch black nights.

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Speaker 2: And we're in the the flashlight and hiking up a

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Speaker 2: single little game trail that's in the like the most

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Speaker 2: backcountry Idaho Montana orderline country you can find. Like it's

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Speaker 2: it's not a human There's there's nobody around, like like

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Speaker 2: it's just us, and there's no trail. Yeah there and

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Speaker 2: no like not like a horse trail. This is just

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Speaker 2: like a game trail. There's no GPS, there's no ONYX,

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Speaker 2: there's no nothing like. It's on us to find our

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Speaker 2: way up this like very remote country. And you know,

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Speaker 2: we we aren't worried about that, like for some reason,

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Speaker 2: our our internal GPS systems are working fine. We know

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Speaker 2: when you get up this ridge, we're in a camp

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Speaker 2: on the top of the ridge line. We're in a

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Speaker 2: a road gets us back to your mom and pop. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that kind of happens in life. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And You're like, huh wow, yeah you should ye for whatever.

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Speaker 1: Right right, we'll get we'll get to that. We'll get

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Speaker 1: How great is this? Well? Yeah, and I'm like I'm

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Speaker 1: with the bow over his hand and head or his head,

435
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 1: like it's an elk you're emulating. That looked like an elk.

436
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 1: And this this wheat was tall. It was like probably

437
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,919
Speaker 1: waste hime. And you go bouncing across this field and

438
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 1: then just you know, you get out there like one

439
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,200
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards and just disappear into the wheat.

440
00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,679
Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's never going to work. And I

441
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,439
Speaker 1: look over and that bull had stopped and seen you

442
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 1: and just made a bee line, just ran right charged me.

443
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 1: He charged in, yeah, and.

444
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, and he just stops.

445
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, and I see the bull kind of fidget around.

446
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, and then he kind of did it again.

447
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is going on? And then pretty soon

448
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 1: he turned around and trotted back to his cows, round

449
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 1: him up and took off, And I'm like, what the

450
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 1: heck happened?

451
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 2: Randy?

452
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,160
Speaker 1: What why did you shoot that thing?

453
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 2: Yeah? So on my end of it, my perspective was

454
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 2: exactly that, except I remember a calf following the bowl

455
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 2: and there was a draw before the ridge eyes up

456
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 2: on top of a ridge in this so Idos has

457
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,399
Speaker 2: rolling wheat fields. We're not Midwest flat Landers where we

458
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:59,719
Speaker 2: have rolling ridges between out in our fields. Right. So

459
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 2: I'm up on the say, the high point of the ridge,

460
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 2: and so playing with the elk originally, and I'm down

461
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 2: in the timber on a fence line, calling Dirk calling

462
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,360
Speaker 2: on his end the elk all run. There's let's call

463
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 2: it a twenty five head. Heard a couple of bulls

464
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 2: a little five point which is the herd bowl, and

465
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 2: they're one hundred and fifty yards from me, down on

466
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 2: Dirk's end of the field, and me and Dirk went

467
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 2: separate ways, and I end up belly crawling and fight

468
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,120
Speaker 2: my way through this terrible brush that we deal with

469
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 2: all the time where we're from. And I get on

470
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,719
Speaker 2: the fence line and as I break through this brush,

471
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 2: I'm I'm cow calling and bugling as best I can

472
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 2: with these kind of half assed calls that I got

473
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 2: on my arsenal. And the bowl would work from Dirk's

474
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 2: end of this hundred and fifty fie yard field down

475
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 2: to my end. And I remember that bowl coming probably

476
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 2: fifteen yards from me, but I can't even lift my bowl,

477
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 2: let alone draw back. I'm like in dead broken brush.

478
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 2: You know, it's it's terrible brush in there, Like I

479
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 2: can barely get through it. Dirk Bugle's bowl runs down

480
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 2: one hundred fifty yards where the elk are the herd,

481
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 2: and I get out cross the fence line, and I think,

482
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 2: all right, the herd spook does not coming my way again,

483
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 2: and I need to cross this wheat field and work

484
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 2: my way over to the south east corner of the field.

485
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 2: Get back into the timber. Yeah, get back into the timber.

486
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 2: And I do know the country. We've been there, you know,

487
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 2: we know that we know the area. There's there's a

488
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 2: power line road through there, or power line that cuts

489
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 2: through the timber where the power line utility is cut

490
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 2: back for eazem and whatnot. So my thoughts are I

491
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 2: need to cross his open wheatfield and get to that

492
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 2: power line road, and Dirk's t goanna get a chance

493
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 2: to hunt and bogle and shoot this bowl. But when

494
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 2: they spook or whatever he shoots or whatever happens, they're

495
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 2: going to have to go out that ind because I've

496
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 2: already basically ruined this end of the field. So that's

497
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 2: their only exit out that way. So I want to

498
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 2: kind of be in position to flank them. So yeah,

499
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 2: like Dirk said, I get out in the field. I

500
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 2: put my bow over my head because I have no cover,

501
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 2: and I'm cow calling and I'm hunkering down like I'm

502
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 2: some kind of elk. And that bowl sees me, and

503
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 2: he charges me, and there's a calf that follows me,

504
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 2: or follows him, and I lose sight of the bowl,

505
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 2: but I can still see the calf, and the calf stops,

506
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 2: and I have no cover. I'm in a wheat field.

507
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, I'm twenty yarder approximately

508
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 2: to this bowl for the first time in my life

509
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 2: as this teenage kid, to my first shot at an elk,

510
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 2: and I'm scared to death. I'm honestly, I'm scared to death.

511
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 2: My adrenaline is pumping, my heart's beating. You know, I've

512
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 2: already this thing's already came in on me. And he

513
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 2: was a mad bull. Remember he was mad as hell. Yeah,

514
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: he was a Yeah, he was a mad bull.

515
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 1: And well he's seen you, he's seen that other bull

516
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: over there. Yeah, and then he disappeared and then come

517
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: to kill you.

518
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 2: And he come in and I was scared to death.

519
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 2: And I remember shooting that thing or shooting at that thing,

520
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 2: and I watched my arrow shoot underneath it's his brisket

521
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 2: like between it right right in that corner between his

522
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 2: front leg. You know. It just shot through the grass,

523
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 2: the wheat field, and he rolled and turned and ran off,

524
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 2: you know, and gosh what at a time the adrenaline

525
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 2: was pumping. I was obviously, you know, broken hearted. I

526
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 2: didn't get it, didn't kill him, you know, but he

527
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 2: ran off. Helped me out here. What happened next? Like

528
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 2: he so he ran off your direction and got the herd,

529
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 2: and I think they headed out that power line.

530
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: I was trying to flank him from h Yeah. Yeah,

531
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 1: And it was over at that point. But the next day,

532
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: I mean every day this this this was a Saturday

533
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: or something, but but every day we'd go back out

534
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: there chasing things around him. And I think it was

535
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: a week later maybe we were back out there, and

536
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 1: we didn't like, we weren't in the teamwork. We were

537
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: like kind of every man for himself thing. We hadn't

538
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: figured out teamwork, like we I want to do it

539
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: like this, and you're like, I want to do it

540
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: like that.

541
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're just like.

542
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: Okay, well cool, well I'm gonna do this. You're gonna

543
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,360
Speaker 1: do it. We're gonna try to get these elk.

544
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 2: Both of us.

545
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: Are going to try our own little stories. But then

546
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: one day we split up and I drop you off

547
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: and you kind of went in that same area, and

548
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: my brother and I we drove around, way around and

549
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: come in from a different side. O.

550
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And.

551
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 1: I'll say, Randy, I think you might be the only

552
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: person I know that has shot every single arrow in

553
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: his quiver at an elk and not got an elk

554
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: at a different elk, at different helk in the same day,

555
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: in the same day, right, and not and not got one.

556
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're talking about the heydays of the eighties when

557
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 2: when you could whistle or bugle or whatever, like, they

558
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 2: had had zero hunting pressure on archery or calling in

559
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 2: where we lived, and it was so easy to call

560
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: an elk. But in my defense, I would get so

561
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 2: wound up my heart would pump a thousand miles an hour,

562
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 2: my adrenaline with a pump a thousand my hour. I

563
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 2: had one of them powermag bows. It was one hundred

564
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 2: and ten pounds of pull back because I thought that's

565
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 2: what you needed, and that's what they sold me. And

566
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 2: you know, like so like one hundred and ten pound bow?

567
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: Was it one hundred and ten bout? What was it? Yeah? Yeah?

568
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: And it was no, this is no exaggeration, like it

569
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 2: was ridiculous. You know.

570
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: You know, you got guys shooting eighty pound bows today

571
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: and most people shoot about seventy and you got Camaines

572
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: pulling on a hundred pound bow. But this is no bullshit.

573
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: Randy had one hundred and ten pound bow. And I

574
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: remember you told me the story when you went into

575
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: the bow shop and to buy a bow and there

576
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: was a bow landing there and the guy said, hey,

577
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: don't even attempt to draw that. And he's like, I've

578
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: only seen one other person draw it and you and

579
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: you picked it up and pulled it back like twice,

580
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: like it.

581
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 2: Was nothing like fifteen years old.

582
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's like, what the hell right, and you

583
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: put there like, well, I want one of those things.

584
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like that's at that time, you know, pounded equal

585
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 2: speed right and performance right, and so the if you

586
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 2: could man up and get a certain pound bow, you're

587
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 2: automatically at an advantage.

588
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and an overdraw you gotta have an overdraw. Yeah,

589
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: I had to have an overdrawn your bow that way,

590
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: you're just shooting the lightning fast.

591
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. You know. Yeah at that time, you know,

592
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 2: I had what I thought was the catsw oh, yeah

593
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:21,719
Speaker 2: it was.

594
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: I was jealous. Was all I had was an eighty

595
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: pound bowl with bow with sixty five percent let off.

596
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: And I was a little jealous.

597
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 2: And I can't remember really any of my friends be

598
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 2: all to pull out. I couldn't.

599
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: I couldn't pull it, yeah, and it made me so

600
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: pissed off. I was just like, I'm like, give me

601
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: that thing, and I would try to pull it like

602
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: this is this is bullshit, Like how how can you

603
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: pull this bow? Like it's you know, not to brag

604
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: up Randy, but he kind of had superhuman strength. He's

605
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: got this superhuman grip and superhuman strength, and I've never

606
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: seen anything like it. Yeah, anyway, but anyway, back back

607
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: there to it.

608
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 2: So I had this this this bow I had. You know,

609
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 2: we worked hard, like he said, and we anyway, I

610
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 2: didn't know why I couldn't hit a freaking elk Like

611
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 2: that same day he's talking about him and his brother

612
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 2: went this way, I went this way. I'm hunting solo

613
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 2: and I have these bults, Like I have a bull

614
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 2: come in twenty yards, I can't hit it. I missed

615
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 2: the one that I was pretending to be a both

616
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 2: with my bow upside down my head. He came at

617
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: twenty yards. I couldn't hit it, multiple times, time after

618
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 2: time through that course of art first few years, Like

619
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 2: I couldn't freaking hit one, and I don't. I didn't

620
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 2: know what was wrong, Like I honestly couldn't. I couldn't

621
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 2: pinpoint it. I was so frustrated. I was disheartened. I

622
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 2: was so far from hitting elk. I never even wounded one,

623
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 2: Like it was ridiculous.

624
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: What was the pivot? What was the pivoting point? Like,

625
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: when did you figure out what you were doing wrong?

626
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 2: Well, I was whitetail hunting, and I've been white tail

627
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 2: hunting on the ground. I had two we'll call them brothers,

628
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 2: white tail nice five byce coming in.

629
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: We're in ten point to the eastern folks.

630
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, And and it's cattle country on the verge

631
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 2: of a huge canyon, right it's it's this canyon is

632
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 2: known to everybody, all the locals. Is literally a hell

633
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 2: and so I'm hunting the top of that where it

634
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 2: comes out on top. It's kind of prairie land on top,

635
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 2: and there's a coupond there and we we hate derk

636
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 2: and I hate for everybody. We knew, all the farmers.

637
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 2: They let us have permission to hunt everybody. We had

638
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 2: special rights to some of this private land because of

639
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 2: all our effortin right.

640
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, this worked our butts off for these farmers.

641
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 2: Farmers. Yeah, they freaking loved us, you know that.

642
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: One guy's like, if you want to shoot an milk,

643
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: you have to shoot two though, Like no, no, yeah, yeah,

644
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: He's like, no, no, you have to shoot two of them.

645
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. They they literally encourage us to thin the herd.

646
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: They wanted these elk off their property, so their food. Yeah.

647
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 2: The pivotal point for me killing something with my bow

648
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 2: was I was whitetail hating. I always enjoyed elk haning

649
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 2: in the morning because they were very active. They they

650
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 2: called a lot back in those days, but not so

651
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 2: much in the evening for my taste. And I honestly,

652
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 2: I didn't care to hunt elk in the evening as

653
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 2: much as I did whitetail because the white tail in

654
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: that country, there's some beautiful bucks, and I really wanted

655
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 2: to get one of these big bucks with my bow.

656
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 2: And I'd got busted a few times on the ground

657
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 2: where they came in out of this big canyon to

658
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 2: this cow pond, and so I decided to build a

659
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 2: tree stand, you know. So it was like noon, two

660
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 2: o'clock in the afternoon. It took me a couple hours,

661
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 2: and I built. I had a little Mechita screw gun,

662
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 2: and I built me a tree stand out of two

663
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 2: by fours and climbed up in it, and I had

664
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 2: a burl sack kind of blind around it to block

665
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 2: my motion. And so there sweat is hot. It was

666
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 2: very hot, you know. I remember the heat. And I

667
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 2: get up in that thing and it's like two o'clock

668
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 2: and I have to wait till like seven thirty. So,

669
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 2: you know, I got five hours roughly before the last

670
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 2: thirty minutes when actually White Hill come out, you know.

671
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: So I'm sitting there and two three hours later, here

672
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 2: comes a combined like it just happens to be. It

673
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 2: just happens to be, you know, time to harvest. And

674
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 2: so about every forty minutes this combine would go by

675
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 2: two or three times before dark set in. He had

676
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 2: come swathen by and wave at me and my tree stand.

677
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: I'm on them. I'm on the on the cattle side

678
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 2: of this fence line, and you know, I'm a high

679
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 2: with this guy and he's eat, He's gotten the eat,

680
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 2: and I'm like, are you freaking kidding me? You know?

681
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 2: And so as it. You know, we're in the last

682
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 2: half hour daylight and I'm glass and I can see

683
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 2: the deer coming out, but they're they're three hundred yards away,

684
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 2: you know. And I'm like this, this guy in the combine,

685
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 2: it's got everything fouled up where I'm at. They're not

686
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 2: coming into this cowpond and they're gonna come in out

687
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 2: down here, and I need to make a decision. Am

688
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 2: I going to go try and sneak this fence line

689
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 2: that has brushed on the bob wire and try and

690
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 2: get in a position to shoot one of these deer

691
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 2: because I'm literally deer hunting.

692
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: But I have I have.

693
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 2: An ELK tag, you know, so I'm gonna move in

694
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 2: on these deer. I take one look back down to

695
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 2: this canyon that's literally a hell hole, and there's a

696
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 2: hurd ELK thirty yards from me coming out of this

697
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 2: canyon on this trail to this cowpond, and the lead

698
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: out comes up and let's call my feet twelve to

699
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 2: fourteen feet off the ground, off this homemade tree stand thing,

700
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 2: and she comes in. She's at seven yards or less.

701
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: Like it's a down it's a downward shot for me.

702
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 2: Pretty steep angle, pretty steep angle, straight, you know, it's

703
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 2: pretty down right, And she knows something's up, like I

704
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 2: can tell. She's alert. She knows something's up. But I'm

705
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 2: not calling. I'm silent, you know, I'm I'm white tail hut.

706
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 2: And where we're at it's it's bowls or cows. And

707
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 2: I have this I have to reach over with my

708
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 2: burlac sac covering to get my bow over the top

709
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: of it to be able to shoot straight down at her.

710
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 2: And right before I pull the trigger, well, it's like

711
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 2: I always do. I don't know. Let me say I've

712
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: shot at fifteen olcause this time haven't hit one yet,

713
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: you know, it was ridiculous back in the those days.

714
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 2: And right before I squeeze on my release, I notice

715
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 2: I'm not looking through my peep site like I ain't

716
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 2: I see my pins right, you know, and my pins

717
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 2: on the elk, but my peep sites clear off to

718
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 2: the right side of my face. I don't even care

719
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 2: where that thing's.

720
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: Out, not even close, not even close.

721
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 2: And it dawned on me at that time. That's why

722
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 2: I missed all those previous elk because of the excitement

723
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: of the moment. I mean, like, this is a cow,

724
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 2: like she's the lead cow, and my heart's beating a

725
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 2: thousand miles an hour, right, And because I've missed so

726
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 2: many now I'm frustrated. I'm angry with myself and all

727
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 2: this stuff's going on emotionally inside of me. And but

728
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 2: but probably because I had the screen of this camouflage

729
00:37:55,200 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 2: burlap sack and I'm in a tree stand that like,

730
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 2: I have a few extra seconds before I pull the trigger,

731
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 2: and I, for some reason I realized I'm not looking

732
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,439
Speaker 2: through that peep site, so I pulled the peep site

733
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:13,760
Speaker 2: in I'm like, oh man, that's where I've been going wrong.

734
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 2: And I shoot that cow, which you know, that's the

735
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 2: extended story. I did get the cow. It was great,

736
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 2: she dropped in her tracks.

737
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, dude, that's it's tough to hear that. Like, yea,

738
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: but some people go there like for even further, you know,

739
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: years and years, Like they don't diagnose their their issue.

740
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: They black out, they do whatever they're not. They just

741
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: get so caught up in excitement, excited in the moment

742
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: they forget their shot process. So that was cool that

743
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 1: you were able to finally catch yourself in that moment

744
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, I see what I've been doing, right,

745
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: that's what I've been missing. Yeah.

746
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 2: So unfortunately for me, you know, I I realize that,

747
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 2: but that's probably eight years after I started bow hunting

748
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 2: or some We're in there and Dirk been killing out

749
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 2: the whole time, you know, and I'm.

750
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 1: Like just like, I'm like, what the hell's going on?

751
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: You know, and.

752
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 2: Dirk's just knocking tag after tag, you know, and I'm like,

753
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: what the hell's wrong with me?

754
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: Anyway, you had a pretty good run with a with

755
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: a tree stand hunting. Yeah, like another time you shot

756
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: a spike bowl out of a tree stand by a pond.

757
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like.

758
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,479
Speaker 1: A lesson you wanted to you know, early season, hot

759
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: season places where you elk need not a lot of water,

760
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: but there's cow ponds or there's ponds around. It's a

761
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: great place to put a tree stand. You shot a

762
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: spike that had a broken skull. Yes, that was That

763
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: was always crazy. I always like to tell that story

764
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: to people when they're talking about weird stuff they found

765
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: in the woods.

766
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was. That was inner and so as you said,

767
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 2: you know, so after that, I kind of got on

768
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 2: into the tree stand el cunning for a little while,

769
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 2: and I had a purple tree stand. I put on

770
00:39:58,600 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: the same pack frame we.

771
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: Talked screw screw two by four. Yeah, into the tree

772
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: with you, Pakita.

773
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I went all out and bought me one of

774
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: these portable tree stands. Job. It wasn't a self climber.

775
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 2: It was when you had to you know, screw in

776
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 2: peg deal.

777
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: I was.

778
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 2: I was a screwing pig tree stand guy. And so yeah,

779
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 2: I screw in, put my stand up and the same

780
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: pack frame we talked about about me pranking, prank, being

781
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 2: prankster down in the back country, you know, the same

782
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 2: same darn thing, same backpack. You know. It's like, I

783
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 2: leave my backpack at the bottom of my tree because

784
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 2: while I'm up in the tree, and I'm only fifteen

785
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 2: feet up because I'm over a pond, it's thirty seven

786
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 2: yards across the furthest point from from me. It's five

787
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 2: twenty in the afternoon. I remember it like yesterday. Bear

788
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 2: comes in on the same trail that I hiked in

789
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 2: and I could tell he sniffing my trail and he's

790
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 2: sniffing to me, and he sniff all the way to

791
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 2: the base of my tree and he rattles the buckles

792
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 2: and stuff on my little backpack. Oh really, yeah, and

793
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 2: it scared it. It startled him, and he pounced off,

794
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 2: you know, kind of reminded me of like a meal

795
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 2: deer the way he left out through the tall grass,

796
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 2: kind of bounced down there. And so he bounced on

797
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 2: out of there. And then I sat there for another

798
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 2: two hours. It was in the seven o'clock range now,

799
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: and I thought, man, so why I'm here is because

800
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 2: I seen twenty five head and some bulls here the

801
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 2: day before. Yeah, of elk. So I decided I'm going

802
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 2: to set up here and try and you know, I

803
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 2: know they're here. I know they come out just before dark,

804
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 2: and so I want to get things fired up just

805
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 2: a tad bit earlier because I'm hunting now. So I

806
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 2: decided to do some calling from this tree stand and

807
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 2: two two and a half hours after I've been in

808
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 2: this tree stand, I do some cow caols and bugle,

809
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 2: and I'm not kidding at all. Forty yards across from me,

810
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 2: a spike gets up out of the brush. He been

811
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 2: betted down there the whole time, the whole time I

812
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: climbed the tree, the whole time I set up my

813
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:13,720
Speaker 2: tree stand.

814
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,919
Speaker 1: The bear, the whole deal.

815
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 2: He been betted down with inside of me that I

816
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 2: couldn't see because he was betted down in the brush

817
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 2: and whatnot. He stands up and he circles over, and

818
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 2: this to me was the first time I ever passed

819
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 2: up And Ok, he's a spike bowl and I knew

820
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 2: there was a nice bowl there because I'd seen him

821
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 2: the night before, so I decided not to shoot him.

822
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 2: He's at thirty seven yards. He's bellied deep in this

823
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 2: cow pond, and he gets out of the pond. He

824
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 2: circles around. He literally gets in the same trail that

825
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 2: that bear walked in, and he followed that bear's trail

826
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 2: in my trail all the way up to the buckles.

827
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 2: He's seven feet below my heels in this tree stand.

828
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 2: Like I can see his fuzzy little elk corn, you know,

829
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 2: he hadn't rubbed his velvet is the first two days

830
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: of season, late August, and yeah, I passed him up

831
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: and then he turns, wrinkles my back, back turns and

832
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: he walks back and he circles back around and gets

833
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 2: bellied deep in the pond again. And he's at thirty

834
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 2: seventy yards. I him with my range fire. I'm like,

835
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 2: I'm shooting him. You had, you had your chance to

836
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 2: get away, and so I shoot him and my arrow goes,

837
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 2: you know, passed through, which I'm like, you know, I'm

838
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 2: super excited he passed through. And he runs forty yards

839
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 2: and piles up that. Yeah, he had he he had

840
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: spikes and his right side and his whole skull plate

841
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 2: between the spikes were broken, and he would I don't

842
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 2: think unimate through the winter honestly, because he had rott

843
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 2: in his head and brain like he had.

844
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: He had seat down inside there inside the brain hole.

845
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, something broke him. I don't know how is he

846
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: not dead? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah.

847
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 1: You know you see a ton of bulls with broken

848
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: pedicles and weird antler configurations and weird like like the

849
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 1: pedicle and the complete wrong spot on their head. But

850
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: I wonder do they reheal after all that and then

851
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: just like they make it.

852
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 2: I think this is a different deal though, because you know,

853
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: you're talking about clear out on a brown tying and

854
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 2: above to the whale tails or whatever something.

855
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: But but they're they're like the pedicle right, it's like

856
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: in the wrong spot on their melon, right on their skull.

857
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: It's not in the right spot.

858
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 2: His skull cap between his eyes were broken, like where

859
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 2: it stitched together. Yeah, how did that happen? I have

860
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 2: no idea. I always wonder that. I don't know. I mean,

861
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: maybe who knows.

862
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: But there's there's the road in a highway close by,

863
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,439
Speaker 1: you know, within a mile or two.

864
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it could have happened. The shootures in the

865
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 2: skull was broken. Didn't you say it had maggots? It hadn't.

866
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 2: He had an infection in maggots down inside of his

867
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 2: skull plate. And there's no way he would have lived

868
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 2: through the winter. So I got him, yeah, you know,

869
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 2: and he was good. Yeah. I got my wife's uncle,

870
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 2: uncle Fred, come come out and help help me pack

871
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 2: him out. You know, we got him. And anyway, that

872
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 2: was there was another you know, early time elk killing

873
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 2: for me. That I realized my pins and yards. That's

874
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 2: the first Elk I had ever effectively used the rangefinder on.

875
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know what year that was two thousand,

876
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 2: ninety nine or two thousand. Yeah, it was pretty Yeah, I.

877
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: Remember you had your little shanty up there at that time,

878
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 1: in your little cabin. Yeah.

879
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 2: I bought that ninety nine, so it was ninetey two thousand.

880
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 2: I think it was that first sure you had that place. Yeah,

881
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 2: so twenty five years ago. Whatever.

882
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: You know, spikes are in trouble sometimes. You know, people

883
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: are probably gonna scoff like I would never shoot a spike,

884
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: But man, I've shot I've shot a ton of spikes.

885
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: I know you have to. You know, sometimes you know

886
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,720
Speaker 1: it it's well, most of the time it's not about

887
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: some majored out big rack that's gonna score x y Z.

888
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: It's just about like filling the freezer, bringing home an Elk.

889
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 2: Well, our priority is meeting the freezer. Yeah, And like

890
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 2: I said, that's the first that's the only time we

891
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 2: passed up a shot and I end up killing him anyway. Yeah,

892
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 2: But like for those twenty minutes until he got back

893
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 2: into where I killed him, I was like I shouldn't

894
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 2: have passed him.

895
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: I know there's we had enough time to reflect and

896
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, I shouldn't.

897
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 2: We need we need to eat before we decide anything else. Yeah.

898
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 2: So that's really the heart and soul of what why

899
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 2: I all kind is I know you two is. Yeah,

900
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 2: we all want to kill big bulls. We all want

901
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 2: to have the trophy role. But if it you know,

902
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 2: if you're not fifteen miles in the back country, which

903
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 2: is a different conversation altogether, It'd be hard for me

904
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: to shoot a spike if I'm fifteen miles back in somewhere.

905
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 2: But typical weekend warrior hunting, if it's brown it down, it's.

906
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: Well, I always it's funny because people I've been there,

907
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: We've you and I've been there. We've all been there.

908
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: Like you get into some damn hell hole and you're like,

909
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: do not shoot anything except for a giant ball, Like

910
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 1: it's got to be like a three fifty bull or

911
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: we're not going to kill it in here. But I

912
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: feel like that's the wrong attitude. You should be like,

913
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: do not kill anything but a spike or a calf

914
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: because a spike or a calf is can be a

915
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: lot easier to get out. Then they're so good to

916
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: eat three fifty to be hard to pack out a

917
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: place like that. Yeah, and to your point, yeah, they're

918
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: so good to eat. I love spikes, they're so they're

919
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 1: so naive.

920
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 2: I would take a spike over a cow.

921
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: Oh. Yeah.

922
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 2: And I've shot multiple cows, and I've learned a lot

923
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 2: with cow killing. And I have learned that if they

924
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 2: have a really black mane versus a lighter ten mane,

925
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: the darker black mans are so much tender. There's so

926
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 2: much a young cow. It's a younger cow. Yeah. And

927
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 2: I've learned that because I also hunt Washington and I

928
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 2: get cow tags right. And you know, I've shot say,

929
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 2: we'll call it ten year, ten out of ten years, right,

930
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 2: elk of cows.

931
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 1: You've experimented, Yeah, And I've shot.

932
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 2: You know, the the ones that I believe were lead

933
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 2: cows versus the other cows. And if you can shoot

934
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 2: a cow that has a really dark mane, from my experience,

935
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 2: that will be the best to one on the table. Okay.

936
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 2: I have a really dark Maine, dark Maine, Okay. So

937
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 2: as they get older, they fade, the sun beats them down,

938
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 2: they get bleached out a little bit, and that's I'll

939
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 2: take that to the bank. And I believe that firmly

940
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 2: because I feel like I've proved that to myself. So

941
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 2: you guys all do what you want to do. But

942
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 2: if you got a cow tag, shoot the dark main one.

943
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you want good food. I shot a cow

944
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: in Oregon. I had a sled Springs tag in Oregon

945
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: when I lived in Oregon for I lived there for

946
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,959
Speaker 1: like five years or so. Back in my former life,

947
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,919
Speaker 1: I like to call it. Back in my former career

948
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 1: when I worked slinging tires of lesh one. Oh yeah,

949
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: and I put in, I drew. I had some points.

950
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: I drew sled Springs back when it was easy to

951
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: draw as a resident. And one of the local ranchers said, hey, man,

952
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: you can come out. He's like, he's the one that

953
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 1: encouraged me. He's like, hey, you need to draw this

954
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: tag and you can come out. We got tons out.

955
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, and I don't want to really not

956
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: into it. He's like, no, put in for the tag

957
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: gets tag. You can come out, you can hunt here,

958
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 1: you can stay here, you know, just like beyond beyond,

959
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: you know, generous with its. Yeah, I'm like okay. So

960
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, whatever, okay, I guess I'll put in

961
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 1: for it. And the guys at work are like, yeah,

962
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: you needed to put in. That's that's a really good

963
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:25,919
Speaker 1: There's a ton of elk that that's the one that's

964
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: the people would kill to go there.

965
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 2: It's like a ten thousand acre place.

966
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: So I draw this tag. I go out there and

967
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 1: I hunt opening weekend and I seen that. I mean

968
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: there's elk everywhere, hundreds. It would be a herd of

969
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: four hundred elk. I'm like, oh my god, there's too

970
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: many elk. But they weren't really bugling too much. But

971
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: so I have a week off and later on I

972
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 1: go and I chase these elk around, and I there

973
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: were so many bowls and so many elk. Like when

974
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: I would bugle, you might as well take your bugle

975
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: too and throw it away. They didn't give a shit,

976
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: like it meant nothing to the elk. There there was

977
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: fourteen bulls bugling at all times. There's there's just too much.

978
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,439
Speaker 1: I was just one another voice. Nobody give a shit.

979
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: So I had to start, you know, spot stock, you know,

980
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,439
Speaker 1: crawl in, you know, try to get a shot. Oh man, yeah,

981
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: open his Ponderosa Pine. And he had a team of

982
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: laborers there that would clear the land. He was the

983
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: landowner was like paranoid for fire danger, so he limbed

984
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: every tree to like six feet, took all the limbs off,

985
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: every tree to six feet, took all the limbs, put

986
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: them in piles, burned them.

987
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 2: Every winter.

988
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: Like this place, I could not find a freaking stick

989
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 1: to rub a tree with. Like it was literally there

990
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: was no sticks on the ground because the fire danger

991
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: they were worried about.

992
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 2: So it's so open.

993
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 1: So time after time after time, I see a big

994
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: bull and a big bull with a herd. You know,

995
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: there's multiple bulls, you know, probably fourteen, fifteen, twenty bulls

996
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 1: in this herd of four hundred cows. And you do

997
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: like you would crawl and creep and just like get

998
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: as close and you would. I would be like, okay,

999
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 1: I'm in within range, and then something stupid freaking cows.

1000
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 2: There's so many eyes it would pick me off.

1001
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: So I had a ten day hunt. I'd hunted out there.

1002
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 1: I hunted my little heart out. I had some opportunities

1003
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: on some smaller bulls, but man, I really wanted it.

1004
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: I wanted a herd bowl. You know, I really wanted

1005
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: and things weren't like giants. These were not like, you know,

1006
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: three fifty type poles. These were like, you know, like

1007
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: but the biggest boll I saw was probably like a

1008
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: three twenty bowl.

1009
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 2: But I hunted all week.

1010
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: And just got my ass handed to me, you know.

1011
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: On the last day, you know, and I and I

1012
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: you know, some people probably turn their nose up to this.

1013
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: But on the last day, I'm heading back. It just

1014
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: had just gotten schooled again and I just pissed off.

1015
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm out, I'm going home.

1016
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: And I'm driving back to the to the ranch house

1017
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: to get my crap and load up my stuff and leave.

1018
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: And there's these three cows lay next to the road

1019
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: cow elk and I'm like, huh, I pull over. I

1020
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: got a rattle in diesel truck. And it's like running

1021
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: around around. Yeah, And I stop and look at him.

1022
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 1: They don't pay me, no mine, So I get out

1023
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: stand there my range finders zap them like fifty fifty

1024
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: four yards. I'm like, they're not even looking at me.

1025
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: So I'm like, huh, open up the back door, grab

1026
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 1: my bow, walk over the side of the road, get

1027
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: off the road because I shoot from the road. I

1028
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: want to I want to be legal. So I get

1029
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 1: to fifty yards of my zap again and they're still

1030
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: looking out there. They're just kind of chewing. They could

1031
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: not paying attention, like they don't care. And finally I'm like, man,

1032
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: if that want, if they would stand up, I might

1033
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: shoot that one. I might shoot that biggest one. So

1034
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: I start like I start, I start making eat calls

1035
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: with my mouth yea, And finally they they stand up.

1036
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: In this one in the middle, I wanted to shoot.

1037
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: She started get up, but she kind of like she

1038
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: kind of like had a struggle. I kind of goot

1039
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,879
Speaker 1: up like like kind of hurt, like she's like this

1040
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: old cow right. I have my bow drawn back, put

1041
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: my fifty yard ten I shoot, and I see my arrow.

1042
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 1: It's like it's all in slow motion. I see my

1043
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: arrow go high. You see it higher than her back,

1044
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 1: and then it just disappears. And I don't hear a noise.

1045
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 1: I don't hear nothing. There's no reaction. She don't even

1046
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: batter ear or she won't even blink. I'm just like,

1047
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 1: how could I How did I miss? I'm like that

1048
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: felt such like such a good release. So I grab

1049
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: another row, put it on there, and I start, I'm like,

1050
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: wait a minute, Like, if if I didn't hit it

1051
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: on that shot, I have no business shooting again because

1052
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 1: that was like the perfect shot.

1053
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then so.

1054
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 1: I just know I stop. I'm like, okay, I'm not

1055
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: going to shoot again. And I look and she kind

1056
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: of like she starts looking around with her head like

1057
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 1: something's something's wrong, Like she she's looking around like, hey,

1058
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: what what's going on here? And all of a sudden,

1059
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,439
Speaker 1: her her knees get wobbly and she tips over dead

1060
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: like this is like thirty like not even thirty seconds.

1061
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 2: Nice.

1062
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,919
Speaker 1: She tips over feet in the air, dead Like I've

1063
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: never seen an elk die with an arrow hit that

1064
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: fast in my life. So I get over there and

1065
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: it and it'd shot and it had passed through and

1066
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: the arrow was like twenty yards on the other side

1067
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: of her and the other elk, you know, the other

1068
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:10,439
Speaker 1: COWSI ran off.

1069
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 2: But anyway, we loaded this thing.

1070
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 1: Up with a tractor. I mean, you know, I feel

1071
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: even embarrassed even and metting this whole story, you know,

1072
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: I mean, for all the all the folks out there

1073
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,879
Speaker 1: suffering and packing mean, I mean, you know, at least

1074
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 1: every now and then you get an easy one, right,

1075
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 1: and so skin this thing out. You know, the arrow

1076
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 1: hadn't even hit a rib, right, it would just a miracle.

1077
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: It just went through between two ribs on both sides,

1078
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 1: in and out and anyway, just it was a perfect

1079
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: capstone to that hunt. I got even with them, damn elky,

1080
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: I got me a cow, like screwing me over a

1081
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,240
Speaker 1: whole week. I got me a cow. I got even.

1082
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: But back to your point, I can't remember. I wish

1083
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 1: I could. I didn't even get a picture, but I

1084
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: don't know how old. I don't know what her main

1085
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: looked like, but I will say like her ivories were

1086
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 1: like worn off to nothing, Like they were tiny and black,

1087
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: hardly nothing. And it was the toughest elk I've ever

1088
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,240
Speaker 1: een in my tires. Absolutely, it was like the worst.

1089
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: I mean, it tasted fine, it wasn't gamy, yeah, but

1090
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: it was tough, like backstraps. You had to like bring

1091
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: a beef stroke or you had to make elks strogan

1092
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: off out of them.

1093
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 2: They were just oh like trying to cows are deceiving,

1094
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 2: you know, and me hunting. So I've been blessed to

1095
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 2: have basically two cow kill permits in Washington State for

1096
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 2: ten plus years, but probably fifteen years. I don't know.

1097
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 2: I have to do some math on that. But so

1098
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:42,479
Speaker 2: me and my son Ryan have both literally killed elk

1099
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 2: multiple years. And so it's taken away from my mountain

1100
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:50,439
Speaker 2: hunting of Idaho and bowl hunting, et cetera, because I'm

1101
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 2: a mean like I said earlier, and we get these

1102
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,959
Speaker 2: it's fun. Yeah, we get these cow tags. But I've

1103
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 2: absolutely in my own world, between I mean, his amount

1104
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 2: of kills and my amount of kills, proven that if

1105
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 2: you can kill a cow, which is cow only for

1106
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 2: this situation, if you've proven that you've killed the darker,

1107
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 2: blacker maned cows, they're so they're so good. We've we've

1108
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 2: missed early on. We've shot some of the browner, tanner

1109
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 2: colored mans. You can't chew them like you're talking about.

1110
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 2: They're they're like an old bowl. They don't have that

1111
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 2: rut flavor. But they're tough. They're tough. They're tough man.

1112
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 2: They've been around for a long time, you know. And

1113
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, I a soon that I identified that, I'm like,

1114
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 2: don't shoot that one. Shoot that one, you.

1115
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,919
Speaker 1: Know, burger meat and slow cracker, right, and I don't

1116
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: like that. I love Backstride, I love Elksteak, I love

1117
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: all that stuff.

1118
00:57:56,600 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 2: But you know, anyway, tweet his own for you guys

1119
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 2: out here listening to this in randy Land, which is

1120
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 2: where I live, shoot the ones with the black Mans.

1121
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: Write that down right right that down well, Now, in

1122
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: randy Land, it's not always been blue skies, tweety birds,

1123
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: lollipop all that, like, you know, it's not. It hasn't

1124
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: been all this like great like like lucky opportunities and

1125
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: like all this stuff. There has been some unlucky things happened.

1126
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 2: I know too.

1127
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna start on one. Now, back to

1128
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: your tree stand hunting. Yes, you were back trying to

1129
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: kill a white tailed deer.

1130
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, on.

1131
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: Out of a tree. And he had a he had

1132
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: a hunting partner at the time, and yeah, tell us

1133
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: about this, and this is a place you and I

1134
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: had for years had seen big bucks. And yeah, I

1135
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: was like, I'm a little jealous. I was like, bastard,

1136
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: You're going in there and get kill one of.

1137
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 2: Those big bucks. Yeah, all right, I know I know

1138
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 2: what you're talking about and there I was, and I've

1139
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 2: so I've targeted, like I said earlier, white tail in

1140
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 2: the evening out of tree stands, I'll hunting in the morning,

1141
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 2: white tail hunting in the evening. So I'd had a

1142
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 2: tree stand set up where I'd seen some very like,

1143
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 2: very beautiful bucks white tails, and I'm like, yes, I'm

1144
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 2: gonna get one. So every time I sit in that stand,

1145
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 2: I see they don't seem to come out where I'm at.

1146
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 2: They're on this other ridge. And so I've decided I'll

1147
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 2: put my buddy in this stand that I already had established,

1148
00:59:54,840 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 2: and I'll pack frameman put up my own tree stand.

1149
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 2: And so this country's super steep, like it's ridiculously steep.

1150
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 2: So there's a big bowlpline Ponderosa Pine to the layperson. Yes,

1151
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 2: And so the game trail is at the upper elevation

1152
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 2: and this tree is below downhill of it, and so

1153
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 2: and it's at a slight angle. This tree is leaning

1154
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 2: because of the canyon country, et cetera. And so I

1155
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 2: put in this screw in footpags, you know, to climb

1156
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 2: up this tree. And I I get up there, and

1157
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 2: I'm going to consider this part of this podcast the

1158
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 2: safety talk for all you people who take for granted

1159
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 2: safety or don't consider safety now right, I'm here to

1160
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 2: tell you need to think about it. And and this

1161
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 2: is a real situation. So I'm higher in this tree,

1162
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 2: which the base of the tree you can't get your

1163
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 2: hands around the base of it, like you can't get

1164
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 2: your hands around half of it. It's a giant Pondurosa bulpine.

1165
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 2: And it's real dry country. It's a dry hair. And

1166
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 2: when you go up these huge trees, they are one

1167
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 2: hundred plus feet tall, you need to go up a

1168
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 2: certain I needed to go up a certain elevation to

1169
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 2: get straight across from the game trail, like to have

1170
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 2: literally a horizontal shot straight to the deer as it

1171
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 2: comes through this trail. I'm thirty feet in the air

1172
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 2: because this tree base is below the trail. Right. It's steep, Yeah,

1173
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 2: it's steep country. Is like very steep country. And there's

1174
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 2: no limbs on these trees. Tell thirty feet up. They're

1175
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 2: huge trees. And well, so a buddy of mine, which

1176
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 2: I had a tree stand set up, we'll call it

1177
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 2: a one hundred yards away roughly. I had already had

1178
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 2: a tree stand there and it was over a watering hole,

1179
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 2: the only water you can find between there and the river,

1180
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 2: which is eight hundred yards downhill. So I'm like, you

1181
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,919
Speaker 2: go here. I'm gonna go put up this portable tree

1182
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 2: stand here, and between the two of us, one of

1183
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 2: us is gonna get any giant white tail because there's

1184
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 2: a beautiful bucks here. So I get up that I'm

1185
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 2: I screwing my pigs. I climb up the tree and

1186
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 2: I have some five fifty cord and I'm hoisting up

1187
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 2: my portable tree stand from the ground and I'm straddling

1188
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 2: a four inch limb, which is the first limb thirty

1189
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 2: feet up from the ground on a sixty grade. Right,

1190
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 2: It's it's like a cow's face, cow's face, and I

1191
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 2: just I get my backpack that has this purple tree

1192
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 2: stwn and I set it on the next limb to

1193
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 2: my right, and I'm straddling this four inch limb, huge

1194
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 2: limb like you'd never suspect, right, And I set this

1195
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 2: up there, and I start taking these little bungee cords

1196
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 2: off of this tree stand on the backpack to unhook

1197
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 2: it so I can set up my trees down. And

1198
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 2: I have all these little screw and pick that I

1199
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 2: got up to this elevation and I'm literally if you

1200
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 2: look to your left, it's level to where I need

1201
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 2: to shoot this white tail that I think is going

1202
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 2: to come out at right, and it's earlier in the evening.

1203
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 2: So as soon as I start unbuckling these bunging cords

1204
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 2: from my tree stand the one I'm on, which is

1205
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 2: the first limb from the ground that I'm straddling, I

1206
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 2: hear this big and it shears off at the bait

1207
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 2: at the at the tree and I fall thirty feet.

1208
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 2: But because of the angles and everything, I thank god,

1209
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 2: I don't gut myself on my tree pegs.

1210
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, on the way, you know.

1211
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 2: So I fall to the ground thirty feet. When I

1212
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 2: hit the ground, I'm I'm fifteen feet from a property

1213
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,479
Speaker 2: line where there's some fence line. You know, where we're from,

1214
01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 2: there's a lot of different fence you know, there's a

1215
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 2: private properties and whatnot, and I have permissions to hunt

1216
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 2: there and et cetera. But there's a barb wire fence.

1217
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 2: It's a foresharing barbire fence. And I pile up in

1218
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 2: a pile of rocks literally like it's it's decomposed granite

1219
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 2: stone that I land in, and my heel is facing

1220
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 2: me like my leg is shattered. I can see my

1221
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 2: boot prints. My whole entire boot is looking at me

1222
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 2: from below, like not up, but down behind my kneecap

1223
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 2: like it's literally piled up. My back is in extreme pain.

1224
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 2: I'm I'm broken, like this is a safety situation here, right,

1225
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:53,439
Speaker 2: there's a life it's a life critical situation. So I'm

1226
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 2: piled up. We do have two way radios between me

1227
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 2: and my hunting partner, and you know, I know, I'm

1228
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 2: I know without a doubt that my leg is entirely destroyed.

1229
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 2: I don't know what the other extents of my injuries are.

1230
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:17,439
Speaker 2: And I get on this two way radio. I get

1231
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 2: my pack off, this pack frame that fell with me,

1232
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 2: with the tree stand that fell with me, and I

1233
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 2: dig this stuff out. I get on this two way

1234
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 2: radio and I called to him. I'm like, hey, I've fallen.

1235
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 2: I need help. This is emergency, right, That's all I that,

1236
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 2: you know. And in the meantime, I can feel my

1237
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 2: boot swelling, my foot inside my boot swelling like like

1238
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 2: it's it's bad, and and I I kind of army

1239
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 2: crawl to this fence I know I need to elevate.

1240
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 2: You know, I've been me medically trained. I was in

1241
01:06:56,360 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 2: the military. I know that. Like it's almost it's kind

1242
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 2: of weird, but it's almost like, I know my leg's

1243
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 2: screwed up and I need to just elevate it, and

1244
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 2: then I need to assess my other critical life components, right,

1245
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 2: And so I get to a fence line and I

1246
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 2: flip my leg up over the bottom rung of this

1247
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 2: bob wire fence and I can just feel the bones

1248
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 2: grinding and pouncing in there, and it just it's just

1249
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 2: like a j off the backside. It just flops off

1250
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 2: the back. My leg is destroyed, my ankle is destroyed,

1251
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:40,439
Speaker 2: and my back has severe pain. And so I'm I'm

1252
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 2: in a bind, right and he's not answering right. So

1253
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 2: the message I'm telling you guys right now is you

1254
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 2: guys need to pick a hunting partner that you trust

1255
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 2: and you can have accountability for and you know he's

1256
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 2: got your back. Yeah, you know. And I hate to

1257
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 2: say that, but my hunting partner did not have my back,

1258
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 2: and you know he knows who he is. It it

1259
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 2: it wasn't relevant at the time. So anyway, moving on,

1260
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 2: I'm broken. It's two hours, three hours before dark. And

1261
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 2: not only if my radio didn't work, I could holler

1262
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 2: and he could hear me. We're not that far far. Yeah,

1263
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:31,720
Speaker 2: we're not that far apart. And but he's not responding,

1264
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 2: no response, and I'm on my own, and so I

1265
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 2: lay there. I get myself in position. I do leave

1266
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 2: my boot on because I think from my military training

1267
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 2: that apply pressure, and you know your boots are playing

1268
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 2: my boot. My boot in itself is applying basically a splint.

1269
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 2: Even though the heel was facing me, I balanced it

1270
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:02,760
Speaker 2: and it would flop back and forth over this bob

1271
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 2: wire strand and I got it to where my body

1272
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 2: is downhill of this bob wire fence and my my

1273
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 2: head and chest is downhill and so everything's elevated. And

1274
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,640
Speaker 2: I know that's the best condition I have, and as

1275
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 2: long as I don't have internal bleeding or external bleeding,

1276
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 2: which I had no idea of, right because I literally

1277
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 2: couldn't move. I like I moved enough to get myself

1278
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 2: in that situation, but it was like it was like

1279
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:33,640
Speaker 2: I give up after that, right, you know, this is

1280
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:37,800
Speaker 2: this is as far as I can go. End My

1281
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 2: back end up was broken in two places, and my

1282
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 2: leg and ankle was shattered and destroyed. So I lay

1283
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 2: there for two hours plus and I'm hollering. I'm on

1284
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:55,679
Speaker 2: my mic I'm trying to get support, and he's not come,

1285
01:09:56,680 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 2: you know, And this is the guy we're like, we're

1286
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 2: good friends and anyway, eight people amblent. He comes to

1287
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:14,759
Speaker 2: me after dark, surprised I'm alive. He's kind of chaotic,

1288
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:17,599
Speaker 2: and you know, not everybody deals with trauma the same.

1289
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 2: He's he's out of sorts and he's gonna drive to town,

1290
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 2: which is an hour and a half away. I'm like, no,

1291
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,640
Speaker 2: go to these people's houses. And I'm kind of you know,

1292
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 2: I've had enough time to think, Yeah, you know, you

1293
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:33,680
Speaker 2: know what needs to be done. Yeah, you hiked it

1294
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:36,719
Speaker 2: this this house that's over here, and you use their phone,

1295
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 2: you call for ambulance. So we get that going. He

1296
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:44,080
Speaker 2: does that, The ambulance comes. It takes eight people to

1297
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 2: pack me out out of this countryside. It's nasty, right,

1298
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 2: so I'm on a stretcher. I get packed out. We

1299
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 2: go in there in cheat room. They is a small town,

1300
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 2: Idaho hospital. They send me to a bigger hospital and

1301
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 2: another town another fifty miles away. So anyway, we get

1302
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 2: fixed up. Years go by. This kind of reminds me

1303
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:12,559
Speaker 2: of this prank I pulled on you. Yeah, right years

1304
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:16,280
Speaker 2: ago by, and you know, everything's good and we've been

1305
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 2: friends this whole time. And then he tells me, he

1306
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 2: confides in me that he heard me fall and when

1307
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 2: he was in my stand that I set up for

1308
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:31,680
Speaker 2: him and put him on, he got queasy and you know,

1309
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 2: kind of sicked himself. He thought I died immediately, and

1310
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 2: then he heard me squalling like a well, he called

1311
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 2: me like a little woman. You know, He's like, I

1312
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 2: heard you crying like a little woman out there in

1313
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 2: the woods. You know, like he's some tough guy, but

1314
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 2: I'm the one out there in pain. Yeah. That he

1315
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:55,600
Speaker 2: left everything right, you know, And so anyway, we discontinue

1316
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 2: our friendship after that. He left me there hoping that

1317
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:01,640
Speaker 2: I was dead by dark, and it was. It was

1318
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 2: an hour after dark before you come to check on me.

1319
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:10,480
Speaker 2: And so lessons learned is you know, you guys that

1320
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 2: that you hunt with and your brothers in the mountains,

1321
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 2: and you guys need to really understand, you know, there's

1322
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 2: there's hunting advantages where you trust each other for hunting

1323
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 2: events and calling events and who's the shooter and all

1324
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 2: this stuff, But there's actually a safety aspect that really

1325
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:33,639
Speaker 2: should be considered. Base you trust your life with this person. Yeah,

1326
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 2: you know, you don't think about it because there's not

1327
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:40,759
Speaker 2: an injury. But these people that you're with, they need

1328
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 2: you need to trust them with your life, and you

1329
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 2: need to kind of vet them. I would say, I

1330
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 2: feel like that you guys should talk about that before

1331
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:50,760
Speaker 2: you go hunting. How are you going to handle this

1332
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 2: situation if this happens, what are you going to do?

1333
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 2: You know, if you cut yourself or wound yourself or

1334
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:58,879
Speaker 2: cut an artery or you know, trip on a broadhead

1335
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 2: goes through your your you're you know, whatever the situation is,

1336
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:11,679
Speaker 2: you guys that are out there hunting should discuss safety

1337
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 2: protocols and how to respond to him.

1338
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:17,720
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yes, And I think that's very overlooked.

1339
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:20,520
Speaker 2: Like we all will talk about like what your expectations

1340
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 2: for hunting.

1341
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 1: We always kind of talk about that, like oh I

1342
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:24,680
Speaker 1: want this, I want to do that, and who's going

1343
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 1: to do this, who's gonna that, But we don't talk

1344
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 1: about the whole safety aspect enough, Like, hey, man, if

1345
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:33,759
Speaker 1: something bad happens. This is, you know, our plan maybe whatever.

1346
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 2: I would have never guessed in a million years that

1347
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:42,720
Speaker 2: this guy would have seized up because he got sick himself.

1348
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 2: Yeah right. He seems like a pretty I know him.

1349
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:48,720
Speaker 2: I would have never thought that, yeah, you know, and

1350
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 2: I don't I don't really, I literally don't hold it

1351
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 2: him against him. But he wasn't there for me, right,

1352
01:13:57,439 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 2: you know. And and because of that, you know, we

1353
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 2: went separate ways, you know.

1354
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 1: Well, speaking about people having their your back, yeah, you've

1355
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:12,800
Speaker 1: also I've had Yeah, and now there's there's When I

1356
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 1: started off, I said, this is the Misadventures of Randy,

1357
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:19,559
Speaker 1: So it's not just adventures, but there's been some misadventures too.

1358
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:21,560
Speaker 2: And then his next story.

1359
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 1: And we're we're over an hour right now, but thank

1360
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 1: you all for listening, and I'm gonna I gotta get

1361
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 1: this story out because it's one of my favorite Andy stories.

1362
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 1: You were you were late season cow hunting. You had

1363
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:38,759
Speaker 1: some of your your buddies from work on your crew

1364
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 1: hunting with you, and you get it. You shoot this

1365
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 1: elk and what happens this is yeah again, yeah, I mean,

1366
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:53,120
Speaker 1: if it can happen to anybody, it's gonna happen, tory.

1367
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, And out of all this, I'm a survivor.

1368
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 2: So there I was, like Dirk said, he you know,

1369
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 2: he kind of told you we're we're at But I

1370
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 2: did shoot an elk.

1371
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:06,880
Speaker 1: You guys were had the boat into this place. You

1372
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 1: got to guess use a boat to get to this

1373
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 1: place to shoot this elk?

1374
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, we we We were on a lake, north Idaho.

1375
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:25,200
Speaker 2: It was in late November, hunt snow, sleet, kind of cold, misery, wet,

1376
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 2: foggy environment, and I I saw hurdle. I had a tag,

1377
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 2: the shot was good. I took it, It dropped and

1378
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:45,840
Speaker 2: we went after it. That's the summary. Since we're late

1379
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 2: in this, so we hike hundreds of yards let's call

1380
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 2: it five hundred yards up up the mountain. And they

1381
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:03,360
Speaker 2: had marked the tim and had brushed the lower brush

1382
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:07,160
Speaker 2: for a future clear cut for this winter. So this's November.

1383
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 2: A lot of times in Idaho they timber fall in

1384
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:13,760
Speaker 2: in the winter months when there's you can't excuse me,

1385
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 2: you can't haul logs because the roads aren't quite froze up,

1386
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:19,840
Speaker 2: et cetera. So things have been cut, Timber been cut,

1387
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 2: timber been cut well the brush. The brush had been

1388
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 2: cut to get to the timber. The logs hadn't been

1389
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:33,799
Speaker 2: dropped yet. So I shoot this cow. There's three others

1390
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 2: with me. We boat it up into this canyon country

1391
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:43,720
Speaker 2: and we are hunting up way up in there, and

1392
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 2: life is good, like success. I'm the only one with

1393
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 2: the tag. It's a special draw thing. Blah blah blah.

1394
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:55,439
Speaker 2: Get my elk. It drops. We hike way up in there,

1395
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:59,479
Speaker 2: and honestly, we have to drag it down this huge

1396
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:01,640
Speaker 2: We have to drag it down this mountain and we

1397
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 2: have to get it down to the boat, and we

1398
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:04,680
Speaker 2: have to load it on the boat, and then we

1399
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 2: have to boat for miles down to the boat ramp

1400
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 2: and we have to load it on the boat ramp,

1401
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:12,040
Speaker 2: and then we have to drive miles and miles take

1402
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:15,599
Speaker 2: it back to even the local town, which is still

1403
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 2: an hour plus from the normal town that we live in,

1404
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:25,559
Speaker 2: right right, so we're way back in there. Well, well,

1405
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:30,920
Speaker 2: we get to the elk. We got the elk. That

1406
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 2: ring's good and it's just snowing now. It's just coming down.

1407
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 2: It's slick. It's I don't know what the grade is

1408
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 2: on the hill, but it's plus steep. It's it's plus

1409
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:46,719
Speaker 2: foury degrees, you know, it's it's steep, and it's slippery,

1410
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:50,360
Speaker 2: and it's wet, and it's miserable. And I'm on the

1411
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 2: downhill side of this elk, and we've all decided instead

1412
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:57,439
Speaker 2: it because it's just a downhill slippery drag, we'll just

1413
01:17:57,560 --> 01:18:00,599
Speaker 2: drag it down, get it on this boat, and we'll

1414
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:04,759
Speaker 2: take it out hole. And so I'm on the downhill

1415
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 2: of the elk, pulling on the rear leg and it's

1416
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 2: just so cold and so slippery that I lose my

1417
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 2: grip on it and I fall backwards downhill onto the ground.

1418
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 2: So if you know, you guys need to need to

1419
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:27,559
Speaker 2: picture an angle pulling and falling downhill. It's it's it's

1420
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 2: it's quite a drop. It's very awkward. Yeah, even though

1421
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 2: you're not far from the ground, it's still a considerable fall. Yeah.

1422
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:42,240
Speaker 2: So I fall and I get up and something's not right.

1423
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:48,639
Speaker 2: I literally have an eight foch eight foot pine branch

1424
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:54,559
Speaker 2: hanging out of my butttalks somewhere. You've been impaled. I

1425
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:57,519
Speaker 2: was impaled. Yeah, I was impaled by something that was

1426
01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 2: brushed by loggers. And so they have an angled, sharp

1427
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:05,479
Speaker 2: inch and a half inch and a quarter you know

1428
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 2: branch that that impaled me. And I didn't know how what.

1429
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:13,040
Speaker 2: I didn't know what the extremness of it was at

1430
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 2: the time because it happened so fast. And I got

1431
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:17,600
Speaker 2: these three other guys who were trying to work this

1432
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:22,840
Speaker 2: out down and I immediately stand up from this fall

1433
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:28,519
Speaker 2: and I'm like, whoa, stop. Everybody's the top right and

1434
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:34,800
Speaker 2: I have this thing penetrating me. But we're so far back.

1435
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:39,760
Speaker 2: Like you know, they always say never like, never pull

1436
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 2: out if you're impaled.

1437
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 1: That's what they say.

1438
01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 2: That's what they say. That's what they say. But they

1439
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 2: weren't in a place like this, and agree. I was

1440
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 2: military trained, like I know that. You know, if you

1441
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 2: get something stuck in your eye, put a DICKSI cup

1442
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 2: over and secured. This is not the same. This is

1443
01:19:57,120 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 2: an eight foot pine branch that is impaled me and

1444
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 2: I don't and I don't know how deep it is.

1445
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's an inch. I don't know

1446
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 2: how deep it is. I can't tell.

1447
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 1: It just hurts.

1448
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 2: And I stopped the show. Stop dragging the elk. Everybody, whoa, whoa, whoa,

1449
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:17,559
Speaker 2: Something's wrong. I'm hurt. And I'm on my feet and

1450
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 2: this thing is stick it out of the back of

1451
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 2: me like a peacock tail, and I don't know what,

1452
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:30,519
Speaker 2: you know, my instincts are draw it out right, so

1453
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:33,040
Speaker 2: because to see how, I don't know if it tore

1454
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:35,600
Speaker 2: through my butt, cheek or my leg or whatever. I

1455
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:38,479
Speaker 2: really don't know. It's pitch black. We're by the time

1456
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 2: this we're wailing into the evening gets dark at four

1457
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 2: thirty five o'clock this time of year, and so I

1458
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:48,920
Speaker 2: grab the base of it where it's touching my flesh,

1459
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:53,240
Speaker 2: and I draw it out and it's like twelve thirteen inches.

1460
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 2: It went inside me and it went between my ass

1461
01:20:57,360 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 2: and my tail bone, which I didn't know at the time,

1462
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:06,360
Speaker 2: but it's up into my guts, and still I didn't

1463
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 2: know what was going on. I call over one of

1464
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 2: my my hunting buddies here and without humility, have to

1465
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:20,639
Speaker 2: drop my drawers and say, what's the injury? Yeah, what

1466
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 2: what are we going? I don't see it. I don't

1467
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:25,679
Speaker 2: know what the heck's going on. I'm like, what's the injury?

1468
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:30,680
Speaker 2: And he's like, oh my god, Oh, we need to

1469
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 2: get you to the hospital. Oh my you know you're

1470
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 2: gonna die. That's that's his impression of what he sees.

1471
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 2: You're good, yeah, and we're we're so far from civilization. Yeah,

1472
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 2: it is not convenient, and it is steep as steep

1473
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:55,559
Speaker 2: as a cow's face. And they decide as a team

1474
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 2: that to keep me from going to shock, they should

1475
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 2: feed me alcohol. This is once you got back to

1476
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 2: the boat. No, no, they had in their back back.

1477
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they're they're already celebrating a big hunt, you know,

1478
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:13,080
Speaker 2: and we hadn't drink any yet, but they're ready, you know,

1479
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:16,719
Speaker 2: they're they're backwoods fellas, and they're they're ready to party.

1480
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 2: You know, they're ready to celebrate. And so to keep

1481
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:22,800
Speaker 2: you from going to shock, they decided to give me alcohol, which,

1482
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:25,720
Speaker 2: to whoever's listening to this is, do not do this.

1483
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:29,559
Speaker 2: Do not drink alcohol if you've been injured in the

1484
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 2: back country. This isn't a Western movie, right, yeah, this

1485
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:35,639
Speaker 2: ain't poor poor you know, pull the bullet out old

1486
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:39,320
Speaker 2: Colt forty five and dump the powder on you, and

1487
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:41,440
Speaker 2: you know, set it on fire to catterize.

1488
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 1: This is not what it is, right, So don't do this.

1489
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:47,720
Speaker 1: But this is what.

1490
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 2: Randy agreed to. I don't blame them. This is the

1491
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:56,400
Speaker 2: nobody had, Nobody made me do it, nobody knew, right,

1492
01:22:57,479 --> 01:23:01,760
Speaker 2: And so you know, we start drinking. They're gonna they're

1493
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:04,200
Speaker 2: gonna like keep me from going to shock by giving

1494
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 2: me alcohol. So me and one other guy, and because

1495
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 2: of the alcohol, my mind changes from survival mode to

1496
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 2: when you get this elkout mode, like you know, which

1497
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 2: is odd, it's weird. Yeah, this is weird.

1498
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:24,599
Speaker 1: Now you got a potential like catastrophic injury. Yeah, and

1499
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:27,479
Speaker 1: but you're like, we gotta get this elkout.

1500
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:29,600
Speaker 2: Still, Guys, when you get this elk out, and it

1501
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 2: just so happens the boat that I have borrowed, the

1502
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 2: friend of mine who owned this boat was in Afghanistan.

1503
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 2: He trusted me with the boat, right, So I didn't

1504
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:44,200
Speaker 2: have a boat to send the I couldn't go to

1505
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 2: the hospital and let these guys go recover this elk

1506
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:48,720
Speaker 2: the next day. Right, That's how I thought of it.

1507
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 2: And because I was, you know, unfortunately intoxicated at this point,

1508
01:23:56,560 --> 01:24:03,760
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, you bob, you're helping me out. These

1509
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 2: other two guys are gonna continue to drag this helk out.

1510
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:08,479
Speaker 2: We're getting this helk out tonight and I won't accept

1511
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:11,519
Speaker 2: anything other. Yeah, right, this is what we're doing. Right,

1512
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:13,920
Speaker 2: So my butt's buckered, like I don't want to spill

1513
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:18,760
Speaker 2: a drop of blood. My butts bluckered. We get it out.

1514
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 2: We go to the boat ramp, we load the boat,

1515
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:23,960
Speaker 2: We drive the town. We go to the local emergency room,

1516
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 2: which just by coincidence, my wife is a nurse there.

1517
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 2: And what the on call er doctor says to do,

1518
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 2: she just happens to disagree with. Oh, which I give

1519
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 2: my wife my life in this situation. She refused to

1520
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:47,519
Speaker 2: let them do what they wanted to do to me.

1521
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:51,160
Speaker 2: They wanted to sew up the wound. So if you

1522
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 2: can imagine what happened is I had a plug of

1523
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:57,840
Speaker 2: five layers of clothing that was missing, like a muzzleloader

1524
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 2: patch inside me. Oh yeah, thirteen inches. And so she

1525
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 2: didn't know that. Nobody knew that. And when I got home,

1526
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 2: I literally took a shower first, and I had her

1527
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 2: inspect my wound because she's a nurse. Which that's a

1528
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 2: lot of humility. Yeah, which remind everybody listening, is that's

1529
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:22,439
Speaker 2: below my tailbone, but above my butt, that that little

1530
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 2: chunk of skin is where this inch and a quarter

1531
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 2: branch went in thirteen inches right up into my guts.

1532
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:33,799
Speaker 2: And well that happened. I lost material from layers of clothing.

1533
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:39,160
Speaker 1: You know, not to mention pieces of branch, yes, and bark,

1534
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 1: et cetera.

1535
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:43,320
Speaker 2: So I go home. I tell my wife I'm hurt,

1536
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:46,360
Speaker 2: and I get in the shower and I'm rinsing things

1537
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:49,360
Speaker 2: and I got pine needles and I got blood and

1538
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:51,600
Speaker 2: I got everything going on, and I'm like, honey, I

1539
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 2: think I got a problem. We go to the er.

1540
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 2: The doctor says, oh my god, we need to sew

1541
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:03,599
Speaker 2: this up. She says, no way, this needs you need

1542
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 2: to dig stuff out. Yeah, exactly. So we get ship quack. Yeah,

1543
01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 2: so she love her, Thank you mama. She opposes the

1544
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:22,240
Speaker 2: on call surgeon decision, and we get another ambulance who

1545
01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:27,360
Speaker 2: drives me an hour plus to a larger hospital who

1546
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:30,720
Speaker 2: evaluates the situation and the next day does surgery. And

1547
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 2: I'm in the hospital for over a week. Yeah. Yeah,

1548
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:35,280
Speaker 2: it was a bad deal.

1549
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:42,519
Speaker 1: So but talk about got your back. Those guys they

1550
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:47,840
Speaker 1: got you out of it and that's what matters. And

1551
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:52,679
Speaker 1: they got you drunk. Now here's the here's the kicker

1552
01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:57,800
Speaker 1: about the be the drinking like you couldn't have anesthesia

1553
01:26:58,320 --> 01:26:59,799
Speaker 1: because of drinking the alcohol.

1554
01:26:59,880 --> 01:27:02,160
Speaker 2: My god, they wouldn't give me. I was so thirsty

1555
01:27:02,200 --> 01:27:04,720
Speaker 2: in the emergency room. I wanted to water. They I

1556
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 2: wanted to like they're giving me drops from a ring

1557
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:10,639
Speaker 2: drag just to give you know, they would not give

1558
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 2: me nothing. So back to the being alcohol affected, they

1559
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:18,559
Speaker 2: will give you nothing. And maybe not even with alcohol,

1560
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:21,240
Speaker 2: they will give you nothing before surgery, which was the

1561
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:22,440
Speaker 2: next day.

1562
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 1: So, man, what an incredible story from from people who

1563
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:32,679
Speaker 1: failed you to people who had your back, to back

1564
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:35,120
Speaker 1: in the olden days when we had a lot of

1565
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 1: fun and did some some crazy stuff. And these are

1566
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:42,840
Speaker 1: just some of the like some of our stories that

1567
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:45,120
Speaker 1: we've had in the in the in the Elk woods

1568
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 1: and and in the in the years that we've known

1569
01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:50,080
Speaker 1: each other. You know, we didn't even talk about the

1570
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:52,960
Speaker 1: time we found a dead guy. But I think that'll be.

1571
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:55,680
Speaker 2: For another time. That's a whole nother story. That's a

1572
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:56,599
Speaker 2: whole other story.

1573
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:58,920
Speaker 1: And if we try to fit it in now, it's

1574
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 1: not even gonna He's not just a dead guy.

1575
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:01,799
Speaker 2: He was a murderer.

1576
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:05,080
Speaker 1: He was a murderer. But uh, we're gonna have We're

1577
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:07,320
Speaker 1: gonna we'll have that story again at a later time.

1578
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:11,320
Speaker 1: But uh, anyway, Randy, thanks so much again for coming

1579
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:18,720
Speaker 1: on here. It's people, Ranny is family. Not only not

1580
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:21,840
Speaker 1: only from being family from the marriage connection him his

1581
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:24,880
Speaker 1: wife and my wife are sisters. But I mean, we've

1582
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:28,920
Speaker 1: we've been together through thick and through thin. We've had

1583
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:32,920
Speaker 1: each other's backs, like since seventh grade. And I can

1584
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:35,400
Speaker 1: only hope that that the other folks out there have

1585
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:38,000
Speaker 1: had somebody, a good friend like Randy to to be

1586
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:40,679
Speaker 1: able to lean on and can fight in and and

1587
01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:43,080
Speaker 1: and go through all their their highs and lows of life.

1588
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:47,360
Speaker 1: So appreciate you coming on here, Appreciate your friendship, and

1589
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 1: I look forward to the next adventure.

1590
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:53,559
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was fun. More adventures to come. They

1591
01:28:53,600 --> 01:29:01,600
Speaker 2: never end right, especially with me, They never uh yeah anytime.

1592
01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:04,200
Speaker 1: All right, Well, thanks for being on here, and we'll

1593
01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:06,280
Speaker 1: catch everybody on the flip flop yep.