WEBVTT - Draft Show: More Pro Days; 2nd & 3rd Rounds 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:13.800 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys 0:00:14.040 --> 0:00:18.040 on your war room for insider news and draft analysis 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:21.560 from deep within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at Valley Rand. 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:25.479 The Dallas Cowboys Select by Rand Joe and now your 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:30.840 hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us well. 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:34.240 The countdown clock says forty two days, six hours, forty 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:38.800 nine minutes and now zero zero seconds before we get 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:41.600 to take part in an NFL draft. We've been working 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:45.519 on this draft. It feels like forever now and I'm 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:51.040 joined here by my drafting buddies, player personnel guys, Dame 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:54.640 Brugler from CBS Sports and Dallas Cowboys dot Com. David 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:59.160 Hellman from Dallas Cowboys dot Com, who got a taste 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:04.959 of a pro day yesterday at Baylor and so interested 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:06.959 to see his thoughts a lot of good players at 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:12.720 Baylor and interested to see what his impressions were of that. Uh, 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:15.120 you are listening to the Draft Show, like I said, 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:18.520 where we like to investigate and then educate you on 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:23.479 all things going on in the NFL draft. Um talked 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:27.839 about pro days and some big pro days last week 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:31.920 and what we saw with Ohio State, uh, with Clemson, 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:36.520 with Alabama this week we're starting to get some individual workouts, 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:41.600 still in the pro day mode, but we had UCLA 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:46.080 Miles Jack my favorite player of all time. Yeah, the 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:48.560 guy that I will go down that could be my 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:52.640 new uh Joey Harrington. Yeah, and still that's the problem. 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:56.760 Maybe that's the problem, aniscus. Yeah, that's the problem. I'm 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:59.240 you know, and I and the one thing that the 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:03.200 disadvantage that we have now of what we do and 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:05.760 look at these players as we fall in love with him, 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:08.480 and then a guy with dr period in front of 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:11.760 his name comes and says, Brian, not so fast. But 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:15.399 but don't we investigate and educate. We're trying. And if 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:18.480 you investigate that knee I know and I and I 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:22.000 wanted to believe and it still might work out for 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:25.919 Miles Jack. Oh yeah, it still might work situation No, 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:27.680 and then we need to get into that one too. 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:34.600 But I'm I'm now getting I'm now getting uh nervous 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:36.720 about the situation with Miles James. Hard not to get 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:39.080 attached to these guys. I'm attached to him because I'm 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:41.400 watched him play every day. Yeah exactly, and you you 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:43.679 fall in love with what this guy can do. Yeah, 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:48.000 potential that he has. But then yeah, the kicker, something's 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:51.040 going on with that knee. Ye, Miles Jack tells us 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:53.400 as soon as he's he said he was gonna be 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:55.480 one hundred percent on the fifteenth, and as soon as 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:57.200 he said he wasn't going to run his forty. Now 0:02:57.280 --> 0:03:00.000 you said it, you're right, and I didn't want to 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:03.120 believe it. Even if he does run the forty, great, 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:05.920 but it doesn't all that doesn't tell us everything. So 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:08.720 there still might be issues with the knee. We saw 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:11.040 it with Jgi E last year. You know, he was 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:13.519 able to work out fine, but it was more long 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:15.519 term that teams were worried about. He fell to the 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:18.119 fifth round, right, So what will we see with Miles Jack. 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:20.360 We still don't know. The medical rechecks will tell us 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:23.639 a lot more. Yeah, disappointed by that, yet I hope 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:26.079 everything works out for him. I wonder what well we 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:29.480 saw Jgi E as like a top forty pick, yeah, 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:31.760 and he fell to the fifth round. So Miles Jack 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:34.600 is a top five pick. I wonder how far he 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:36.480 might fall. And that's the thing with injuries is, you know, 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:39.360 no two injuries are alike. No two knees are alike, 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:42.080 and how they recover from these injuries, and you know 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:45.320 the long term prognosis. So yeah, each one has to 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:48.480 be kind of viewed with as an individual, and no 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:50.880 two teams are alike in the way that they assess 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:53.280 these things. Yeah, he'll be a box player for some teams. 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:55.400 Other teams might be more willing to take a flyer 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:58.080 on him. So well, I hope that the fact if 0:03:58.080 --> 0:03:59.880 he can run on the first and then go to 0:03:59.880 --> 0:04:03.240 the rechecking everything. Got some news about another potential first 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:04.920 round pick though, And I don't mean to beat make 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:08.040 this a medical show, but I will shack Lawson. Some 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:10.280 teams talking about his shoulders. He's had a history of 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:13.280 shoulder issues the time because of it though, right, No, 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:16.599 but he he loves to use his shoulder on the field, 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.000 the way he leans in the blockers, the way he hits. 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:23.320 And it's not just one shoulders, it's I've heard both 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:26.599 shoulders are there's some issues going on. So some three 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:30.560 teams talked about potential problems there. Yeah, and something that 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:33.760 we have to pay attention to and continue to investigate. 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:36.839 And we also and you were talking about earlier, Jalen 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:39.880 Smith Yeah, that's the unfortunate one as well. He hated 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:44.479 for a player who started every game at Notre Dame 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:47.159 all thirty nine games the last three years, didn't miss 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:49.080 a single game to get hurt in the Bowl game 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:52.400 like that, You just you hate it for him because, 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:55.080 I mean, the way what he has to overcome now 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:58.440 is a tall task. Yeah, he's not playing this year, right, 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:00.760 Can he get back on the field eventually hopefully? Yeah, 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:03.359 he's got to regrow a ligament. That's what he has 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:07.160 to do. And they asked and and basically like an 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:09.400 inch a month kind of a thing is what they're 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:12.240 talking about. So he's done for the whole. Uh for 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:14.520 this season? Though, David, at what point time do you 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:17.000 consider him though? Do you consider you know what, we 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:18.599 have a little bit of a history of this. Now 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:23.559 he's teams taking guys and stashing them away and hope 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:26.360 that maybe someday they will rise again. Does this count 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:28.680 as a stash though? I mean it reminds me of 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:30.840 Marcus Lattimore. We talked about that earlier. It didn't work 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:32.840 out very well for San Francisco. It didn't. I mean, 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:36.120 a high profile player with a lot of talent and 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:38.440 but The reason I say I don't know if it 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:40.840 counts as a stash is because I think everybody agrees 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:43.320 he's a first round pick, maybe even a top fifteen 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:47.000 pick if he's asolutely so it's not like he's a secret. 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:49.960 You know, he's not coming from Saginaw State or something 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:54.520 like that. Um. We saw it last year with Polamu, Yeah, 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:57.400 the talent you say, the name at the corner out 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:00.880 of Oregon, Oregon who was looked at as a top 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:04.560 fifty guy until he hurt his knee during a bowl prep. 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:07.120 And then the Browns, who had a lot of picks 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:09.160 last year. I think they had a dozen picks that 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:11.120 you know, they had a couple seventh rounders and said 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:13.000 we'll take a chance on this guy and they're hoping 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:14.880 he can contribute this year. So we'll see if how 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:17.040 it works out for him. But I think this is 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:19.880 where teams that like to accumulate picks. There's some of 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:23.080 those comp picks in later rounds. You know that can 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:24.880 Alice has three of them. In the six You can 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:27.440 take a flyer on a guy that might have injury issues. 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:30.320 That's where I would take him six round. Now, he's 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:31.800 not gonna play this year, and you don't know if 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:34.000 he's ever gonna play again. Like, how can you justify 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:37.080 spinning a pick if I'm especially with a high pick 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:40.120 like this. I mean they essentially pick four times in 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:42.760 the top one hundred and pick fours one on one. 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:44.880 All I want all four of those picks to be 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:48.480 guys who can contribute this year. Yeah, if not start, Yeah, 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:51.440 the doctor tells me that he has a chance. That's 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:53.920 all I need. I'll take a chance. I'll, you know, 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:56.160 take a flyer on him late in the draft. Late 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:57.960 the draft, I mean, you know, not one of my 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:01.800 last Yeah, I was situation, and my situation and I 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:04.560 was in in Philadelphia nineteen ninety eight. I know that 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:09.039 sounds forever to go, forever ago and Hellman always gives 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:12.560 me grief about my father time stories. But I'll tell 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:16.240 a father time story. Jeremiah Trotter, you know, had a 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:20.200 situation the linebacker Stephen and Austin and we the doctor 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:22.200 told me, he I don't know if he's gonna play 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:25.360 ten games or ten years. And I give Jeff Lurie 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:28.320 a lot of credit for allowing us to draft Jeremiah 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:30.960 Trotter and he ended up playing over ten years in 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:34.600 the league. So again, sometimes he's medical. Things can go 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:39.440 the right way, and as the case of Lattimore, it 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:41.920 went the wrong way. And I agree with you. I 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:43.280 think there are a lot of people who thought, well, 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:45.160 what if you filled the thirty four? Did you take 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:47.200 the thirty four? And then all of a sudden, it's 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:49.360 like you know, and you're like, and I tried to 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:51.920 warn people on Twitter, he might not ever play again, 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:54.360 you know, just be and no, would you take him 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:56.920 at thirty No? I mean he might get this, He 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:59.720 might not ever play again. He for sure won't play 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:03.240 this year. Yeah, So we will see about that pro 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:07.280 day for Golf tomorrow. What do you think? What are 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:09.840 we gonna see from mister golf? Is he going to 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:13.960 Is he gonna solidify himself as that first quarterback? Taken 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:18.240 the things about quarterback pro days? I mean I I 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:21.400 don't think there's anything more overrated than took the words 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:24.960 right out of my mouth a scripted quarterback workout. Oh, 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:27.760 we get excited about that day, don't we? Fifty seven 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:30.800 sixty two? Yeah, because I love to see him throw 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:32.640 and for some of these guys is important. You and 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:34.400 I went to see Johnny Manziel at his pro day 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:36.839 that was very well script and some of that was 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:40.360 important because down the ball and a chance to see 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:42.400 him takes National Munner Center. That was another one. I mean, 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:43.880 that's something you never did it at A and M. 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:45.640 So is a chance there are some things to take 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:49.520 away from this that we can gain. But for the 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:52.680 most part, I think it's just it's all scripted workouts, 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:57.080 throwing against air, throwing with your own receivers, so you 0:08:57.200 --> 0:09:00.160 expect if you're not perfect or close to perfect, well, 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.400 then I have questions because you should be right. So 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:04.920 it's hard to really I think you can secure your 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:08.079 status as one of the top quarterbacks. I don't think 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:09.839 it's really I don't think you're really going to help 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:11.960 yourself at this point for golf, you know. I think 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:15.480 he can go in secure himself as arguably the top quarterback, 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:17.960 you know, possibly worthy of a top ten pick. But 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:19.839 I don't think we're gonna come away from tomorrow's pro 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:22.320 day and say, Okay, this he's definitely the top quarterback. 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:24.080 He needs to go. The Browns need to take him 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:26.000 at number two. David. It kind of getting a little 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:28.240 bit of win that maybe that Connor Cook might have 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:30.920 a private workout with the Cowboys. Yeah, he said, he 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:34.160 said he's got one scheduled. Actually, is that there's that 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:38.080 kind of any concern or? I mean, I'd say I 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:40.440 would be concerned because I'm not a Connor Cook fan 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:44.840 on it, and I'm not either, but I sort of 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:47.200 expect that the Cowboys should probably have some kind of 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:50.280 workout scheduled with every quarterback there is every viable one. 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:53.360 I mean, why wouldn't you. We know they're interested in 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:56.439 Dak Prescott. We heard that they're interested in Connor Cook. 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:58.560 You assume they're doing their due diligence on the top 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:01.719 three as well. But I mean, when when your need 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:04.040 for especially it does not look like they're going to 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:07.360 do anything interesting in the free agent market quarterbacks. So 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:11.000 your draft pick could arguably your second be your second 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:13.000 best quarterback on the team, depending on who he takes. 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:16.280 Should he be at thirty four absolutely, I mean he's 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:19.320 in plays he would played for you at thirty four day. 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:21.360 I mean, I mean, I know you're not like the guy, 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:24.559 but but for the Cowboys, Yeah, because I think if 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:26.640 you're the Cowboys want Conor Cook, thirty four is where 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:28.240 they have to take him. I don't think he's gonna 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:31.880 last to sixty seven. Um, what round grade did you 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:34.080 give him? I had him in the third. Yeah, I 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:36.439 don't like the player myself, but the fact that the Cowboys, 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:38.840 then again, they're talking about and I know you really 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:42.360 like we we've heard speaking of another guy, Derrick Henry. 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:45.000 We're starting to get a little bit of the he's 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:47.600 not that's not even a private workout. He's a thirty visit. 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:49.480 He's a thirty visit. That's what I'm saying, though. I mean, 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:52.280 you're starting to hear some things of guys that you know, 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:54.520 I might not particularly like, or Dave or you we 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:58.120 particularly like, but what matters is what they like, right, 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:01.160 And so that kind of in your'd you like going, well, okay, 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:04.400 well you know we'll Connor Cook being play at thirty four, Well, 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:06.640 Derrick Henry being play at thirty four, and they're both 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:08.560 guys that you have to take at thirty four. Yeah, 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:10.800 and they're both guys that I'm kind of like, would go, 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:14.600 damn you know who else was on the board, right, 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:17.480 I'd be one of those guys. To me. That's why 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:19.559 I'm sitting in here with you, guys. I feel way 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:22.319 better about Henry than Cook though that's just me, but no, 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:25.120 I agree, And I think Henry's like number forty something 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:28.040 on my board, So he's a mid second rounder to me. Sure, 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:30.439 he's a second back in this draft to me. So 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:32.280 at thirty four, I don't think it's a huge reach. 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:34.920 I don't think it would be a mistake. I wouldn't 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:37.880 get overly excited about it. But I think he fits 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:40.839 this Cowboys offense. I think he could do some damage. 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:43.480 And if you want Derek Henry, you have to take 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:46.360 him at thirty four, So it would not be surprising 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:48.600 if you would be the pick. Yeah. To answer your 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:52.560 original question, if they're doing their job right, they should 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:55.320 be turning over every stone at quarterback, that every single 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:57.600 quarterback should get a visit from the Cowboy. And I 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:01.120 think all the Cowboys draft picks last year two, I 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:04.079 think we're the dirty visits. I mean just because that's yeah, 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:05.839 you got to pay attention at thirty p Yeah, I 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:08.040 mean it's important to see who they're looking at. But 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:10.800 sometimes you know, the guys they bring in are the 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:12.920 guys they have some questions about or you know, like 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:15.199 they want to find out more because they're they're not over, 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:18.120 they're not completely sold whereon. You know, some of the 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:20.760 guys they don't invite to the as a thirty visit. 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:23.040 They know what they're getting. They don't need to bring 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:25.480 him in and tip their hand, and you know, because 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:27.720 they understand who the player is and they don't need to, 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:30.400 you know, worry about interviewing him or seeing him up 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:34.560 close anymore. So, you know, the thirty visits they're important, 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:36.839 you know, once they come out or you know, once 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:39.040 they get leaked out, you know, here and there. But 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:41.360 it doesn't mean that he's going to be the draft 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:44.120 pick obviously. Yeah, I was told to don't throw dirt 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:47.960 on Noah Spence's He's the best passion I'm sure in 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:50.640 this draft. So yeah, he's a wild card. Don't throw 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:53.240 dirt on Noah Spence at four. Don't throw don't no 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:55.719 dirt on him at all. Well yeah, I wouldn't, But 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:58.240 I mean there's there's people that kind of believe that 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:00.880 maybe Noah Spence might not be you know, might be 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:02.839 a guy that they take off the board for so 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:07.040 much I'm saying I never I never bought Noah Spense 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:11.360 as like this horrible box player guy like he had 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:13.360 some fun, taken ecstasy a couple of times like that 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:15.280 does kind of a year removed too right to you. 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:17.320 And he hasn't gotten in any trouble since he left 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:20.480 Ohio State this, I well, did get arrest of the 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:23.160 or the minor incident in the bar, but not a 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:25.960 big deal, not a drug issue. It doesn't freak me 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:28.280 out the way Frank Clark did last year. Put it 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:31.360 that way, Frank Clark is really different though. Yeah, that's 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:33.920 one of those cases where you're kind of you hold 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:36.000 your breath about that one because we don't know a 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:39.000 whole lot about that. I mean we've we we lived it. 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:41.080 You and I just lived it. Yeah, we lived that 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:44.720 whole cloud hanging over your head. Yeah, you know, it's 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:48.360 not fun, I think, I mean, you know, especially where 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:49.959 they took it. I mean, how much heat did the 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:53.920 cowboys really take for Randy Gregory? And I mean obviously 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:55.400 it didn't work out for him, at least not in 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:58.000 year one. Right, everything people criticized him for it turned 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:00.880 out to be true. But people, well, you know, you 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:02.840 can live with that type of pick. It's a totally 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:05.760 different issue than like domestic violence. As far as I'm concerned, 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:08.560 you know, with Spence. You know, I think if he's 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:11.760 he could fall to thirty four because he's such a 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:15.200 wild card. I mean, there are yes I give him 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:17.160 credit for instead of going to the draft, he went 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:19.960 to Eastern Kentucky. He stayed clean. He told the coaches 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:22.640 give me drug tests every week and he passed, and 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:26.000 that that's great. But a lot of teams aren't overly 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:30.320 sold on his interviews. He's not overly convincing, so that's 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:33.920 been an issue for him. He's a top ten to 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:36.240 fifteen player in this draft just in terms of talent, 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:39.800 probably the best pure pass rusher. But where is he 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:42.840 can end up on draft Day? It's anyone's guests. He's 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:44.600 a true wild card. It wouldn't shock me at all 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:46.960 if he slips through the first round and he's available 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:48.920 at the top of the second if it comes down 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:52.080 to guys, though, you know, with the Cowboys situation with 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:55.120 them needing, could you see him going back to back, 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:58.480 say they do take Bosa at four, could you see 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:01.600 him going back to back and take and acted back 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:08.640 taking uh, taking Noah thirty, uniting the two Bucks's Yeah, 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:12.040 it's about you feel good about that? Sure? Absolutely it's value. 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:14.640 I mean, at number four, you don't worry about your second, 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:16.480 or third or fourth, You don't worry about any other pick. 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:18.680 At number four, you take the best player on your board, right, 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:21.360 and then at number two, okay, if a guy like 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:24.240 Spence falls to you, then you have to stay true 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:27.160 to that board. And as much as you would like 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:29.280 to address the running back position, maybe pick up a 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:32.360 wide receiver. If a talent expense is there, you did 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:35.200 your due diligence. You believe he's gonna stay clean and 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:38.560 that he can help your football team, you gotta add him. 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:40.520 You know what, I would feel good about it. I'm 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:43.400 sitting him thinking, you know, I want a running back 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:45.840 that can bolster the offense, and I want to you know, 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:49.160 all this other stuff. But if they don't take Ezekiel Elliott, 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:51.280 then I feel just as good about them finding a 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:54.040 guy on day three then I would about Derrick Henry 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:57.400 or Kenneth Dixon for that matter, certainly at thirty four 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:01.680 and sorry, no, I just I feel a lot better. 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:05.240 And you call me a homer or an optimist if 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:08.280 you want, but I just I feel better about Mo 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:13.640 car Scandric Byron in the secondary. I'll throw Church in 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:15.360 there for that. I feel a lot better about that 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:19.800 than the average Cowboys fan, especially if you draft two 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:22.800 ready made contributors a defensive end to try to improve 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:25.080 that pass rush. I mean, it doesn't look like they're 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:27.440 gonna do a whole lot for their pass rushing free agency. 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:30.560 I mean, everybody that's really worth having is gone. So 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:33.160 if you're gonna try to fix it through the draft, 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:36.200 getting two guys in the top thirty four sounds like 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:39.840 as good an option as any. So what we just said, though, then, uh, 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:44.600 Jackson's nut doesn't fit in our our mode. Not if 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:47.280 you're drafting Spence. Well no, I'm saying if you're but 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:49.280 looking at thirty four, somehow he were to get to 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:51.760 you at thirty four, I would be fine with that too. 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:54.800 I'm not saying I wouldn't like that. But dots say, 0:16:55.040 --> 0:17:00.400 say you had a situation. We had Dotson, Spence and accent, 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:05.359 so that's tough. And let's and let's say you also 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:08.000 you went both at four, so you already got your 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:11.400 pass rusher, right, do you go pass rusher again? Kim 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:14.359 d cash in on the value not touching Kim Dici 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:18.120 to ten footpoll, I kind of leaned that way too, Okay, 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:20.400 but no, no, that makes that's a that's a tough 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:22.440 discussion in the war room because you have a chance 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:26.280 to upgrade and find a true number two with Dockson. Um, 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:30.280 you know, you can have the higher grade of the 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:34.440 guys I named of Dotson. It's gotta be it's gotta 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:36.399 be Spence. Right, just on the field, it is Spence, 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:38.000 I think, Yeah, I think it's got I mean, yeah, 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:40.080 it's the off field stuff that makes them scary. And 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:43.359 I do think I just said that Spence doesn't scare 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:45.879 me as much as other questionable players, but I do 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:48.680 think that might turn them off given what just happened 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:51.240 with Randy Gregory. It's a factor. It has to be, 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:53.879 especially and they took Grace by case, don't they. They 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:56.080 keep telling us that, right, I took Gregory twenty six 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:58.439 spots after Spence, So I mean, this is still a 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:01.240 really rich pick to spend on a Krammium pis. Yeah, 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:03.639 it is, And so that's they had a lot of 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:05.639 homework to do on him still and trying to figure 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:07.840 him out. I think, well, you just made me feel 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:10.560 somewhat comfortable about a corner. Then I think Spence would 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:12.920 Spence is the best of those three players to add 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:16.040 to this team, But I would probably take Jackson because 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:18.480 it feels a big need and I don't think you 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:20.320 have the same concerns about him. Why do I think 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:22.520 Dotson would be the best player of those Well, I 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:24.840 mean I may can argue if if if you didn't, 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:27.280 if if you if you didn't feel comfortable, if you 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:29.160 didn't be a comfortable Spence to me as a first 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:33.240 round player, But I think Dotson deserves some consideration and 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:35.440 the other teams late in the first round, oh absolutely. 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:37.480 And the other thing too with Spence is he's better 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:39.760 in a three four in my opinion. That's a that's 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:41.800 a good point too. I mean he I think he's better. 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:44.520 Give him space because he's not a guy that's going 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:48.919 to consistently uh win with power, right. His arms aren't 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:50.639 as long as you want talked about him in the 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:52.600 run against the run right exactly. I mean, he's you 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:54.600 can run at him, and so I think there are 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:57.960 some issues there. He's not a and that's why you 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:00.359 get asked questions all the time about him at four. 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:02.560 I think that's ridiculous. I mean, he's just not that 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:04.639 type of player you want the top five. He's a 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:07.359 good pass rusher, don't get me wrong, but you have 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:09.399 to kind of scheme him a little bit in a 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:12.760 four three. I mean, you have to protect him because 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:14.520 teams know they can run at him. But yeah, no 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:18.000 to your Dockson point. You could sell me that Dockson 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:21.720 would be the best option there because aber Jackson. Yeah, absolutely, 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:23.240 you could sell me on that, because he can be 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:26.560