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Speaker 1: hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us well.
Speaker 1: The countdown clock says forty two days, six hours, forty
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Speaker 1: to take part in an NFL draft. We've been working
Speaker 1: on this draft. It feels like forever now and I'm
Speaker 1: joined here by my drafting buddies, player personnel guys, Dame
Speaker 1: Brugler from CBS Sports and Dallas Cowboys dot Com. David
Speaker 1: Hellman from Dallas Cowboys dot Com, who got a taste
Speaker 1: of a pro day yesterday at Baylor and so interested
Speaker 1: to see his thoughts a lot of good players at
Speaker 1: Baylor and interested to see what his impressions were of that. Uh,
Speaker 1: you are listening to the Draft Show, like I said,
Speaker 1: where we like to investigate and then educate you on
Speaker 1: all things going on in the NFL draft. Um talked
Speaker 1: about pro days and some big pro days last week
Speaker 1: and what we saw with Ohio State, uh, with Clemson,
Speaker 1: with Alabama this week we're starting to get some individual workouts,
Speaker 1: still in the pro day mode, but we had UCLA
Speaker 1: Miles Jack my favorite player of all time. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: guy that I will go down that could be my
Speaker 1: new uh Joey Harrington. Yeah, and still that's the problem.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the problem, aniscus. Yeah, that's the problem. I'm
Speaker 1: you know, and I and the one thing that the
Speaker 1: disadvantage that we have now of what we do and
Speaker 1: look at these players as we fall in love with him,
Speaker 1: and then a guy with dr period in front of
Speaker 1: his name comes and says, Brian, not so fast. But
Speaker 1: but don't we investigate and educate. We're trying. And if
Speaker 1: you investigate that knee I know and I and I
Speaker 1: wanted to believe and it still might work out for
Speaker 1: Miles Jack. Oh yeah, it still might work situation No,
Speaker 1: and then we need to get into that one too.
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm now getting I'm now getting uh nervous
Speaker 1: about the situation with Miles James. Hard not to get
Speaker 1: attached to these guys. I'm attached to him because I'm
Speaker 1: watched him play every day. Yeah exactly, and you you
Speaker 1: fall in love with what this guy can do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: potential that he has. But then yeah, the kicker, something's
Speaker 1: going on with that knee. Ye, Miles Jack tells us
Speaker 1: as soon as he's he said he was gonna be
Speaker 1: one hundred percent on the fifteenth, and as soon as
Speaker 1: he said he wasn't going to run his forty. Now
Speaker 1: you said it, you're right, and I didn't want to
Speaker 1: believe it. Even if he does run the forty, great,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't all that doesn't tell us everything. So
Speaker 1: there still might be issues with the knee. We saw
Speaker 1: it with Jgi E last year. You know, he was
Speaker 1: able to work out fine, but it was more long
Speaker 1: term that teams were worried about. He fell to the
Speaker 1: fifth round, right, So what will we see with Miles Jack.
Speaker 1: We still don't know. The medical rechecks will tell us
Speaker 1: a lot more. Yeah, disappointed by that, yet I hope
Speaker 1: everything works out for him. I wonder what well we
Speaker 1: saw Jgi E as like a top forty pick, yeah,
Speaker 1: and he fell to the fifth round. So Miles Jack
Speaker 1: is a top five pick. I wonder how far he
Speaker 1: might fall. And that's the thing with injuries is, you know,
Speaker 1: no two injuries are alike. No two knees are alike,
Speaker 1: and how they recover from these injuries, and you know
Speaker 1: the long term prognosis. So yeah, each one has to
Speaker 1: be kind of viewed with as an individual, and no
Speaker 1: two teams are alike in the way that they assess
Speaker 1: these things. Yeah, he'll be a box player for some teams.
Speaker 1: Other teams might be more willing to take a flyer
Speaker 1: on him. So well, I hope that the fact if
Speaker 1: he can run on the first and then go to
Speaker 1: the rechecking everything. Got some news about another potential first
Speaker 1: round pick though, And I don't mean to beat make
Speaker 1: this a medical show, but I will shack Lawson. Some
Speaker 1: teams talking about his shoulders. He's had a history of
Speaker 1: shoulder issues the time because of it though, right, No,
Speaker 1: but he he loves to use his shoulder on the field,
Speaker 1: the way he leans in the blockers, the way he hits.
Speaker 1: And it's not just one shoulders, it's I've heard both
Speaker 1: shoulders are there's some issues going on. So some three
Speaker 1: teams talked about potential problems there. Yeah, and something that
Speaker 1: we have to pay attention to and continue to investigate.
Speaker 1: And we also and you were talking about earlier, Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith Yeah, that's the unfortunate one as well. He hated
Speaker 1: for a player who started every game at Notre Dame
Speaker 1: all thirty nine games the last three years, didn't miss
Speaker 1: a single game to get hurt in the Bowl game
Speaker 1: like that, You just you hate it for him because,
Speaker 1: I mean, the way what he has to overcome now
Speaker 1: is a tall task. Yeah, he's not playing this year, right,
Speaker 1: Can he get back on the field eventually hopefully? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's got to regrow a ligament. That's what he has
Speaker 1: to do. And they asked and and basically like an
Speaker 1: inch a month kind of a thing is what they're
Speaker 1: talking about. So he's done for the whole. Uh for
Speaker 1: this season? Though, David, at what point time do you
Speaker 1: consider him though? Do you consider you know what, we
Speaker 1: have a little bit of a history of this. Now
Speaker 1: he's teams taking guys and stashing them away and hope
Speaker 1: that maybe someday they will rise again. Does this count
Speaker 1: as a stash though? I mean it reminds me of
Speaker 1: Marcus Lattimore. We talked about that earlier. It didn't work
Speaker 1: out very well for San Francisco. It didn't. I mean,
Speaker 1: a high profile player with a lot of talent and
Speaker 1: but The reason I say I don't know if it
Speaker 1: counts as a stash is because I think everybody agrees
Speaker 1: he's a first round pick, maybe even a top fifteen
Speaker 1: pick if he's asolutely so it's not like he's a secret.
Speaker 1: You know, he's not coming from Saginaw State or something
Speaker 1: like that. Um. We saw it last year with Polamu, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the talent you say, the name at the corner out
Speaker 1: of Oregon, Oregon who was looked at as a top
Speaker 1: fifty guy until he hurt his knee during a bowl prep.
Speaker 1: And then the Browns, who had a lot of picks
Speaker 1: last year. I think they had a dozen picks that
Speaker 1: you know, they had a couple seventh rounders and said
Speaker 1: we'll take a chance on this guy and they're hoping
Speaker 1: he can contribute this year. So we'll see if how
Speaker 1: it works out for him. But I think this is
Speaker 1: where teams that like to accumulate picks. There's some of
Speaker 1: those comp picks in later rounds. You know that can
Speaker 1: Alice has three of them. In the six You can
Speaker 1: take a flyer on a guy that might have injury issues.
Speaker 1: That's where I would take him six round. Now, he's
Speaker 1: not gonna play this year, and you don't know if
Speaker 1: he's ever gonna play again. Like, how can you justify
Speaker 1: spinning a pick if I'm especially with a high pick
Speaker 1: like this. I mean they essentially pick four times in
Speaker 1: the top one hundred and pick fours one on one.
Speaker 1: All I want all four of those picks to be
Speaker 1: guys who can contribute this year. Yeah, if not start, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the doctor tells me that he has a chance. That's
Speaker 1: all I need. I'll take a chance. I'll, you know,
Speaker 1: take a flyer on him late in the draft. Late
Speaker 1: the draft, I mean, you know, not one of my
Speaker 1: last Yeah, I was situation, and my situation and I
Speaker 1: was in in Philadelphia nineteen ninety eight. I know that
Speaker 1: sounds forever to go, forever ago and Hellman always gives
Speaker 1: me grief about my father time stories. But I'll tell
Speaker 1: a father time story. Jeremiah Trotter, you know, had a
Speaker 1: situation the linebacker Stephen and Austin and we the doctor
Speaker 1: told me, he I don't know if he's gonna play
Speaker 1: ten games or ten years. And I give Jeff Lurie
Speaker 1: a lot of credit for allowing us to draft Jeremiah
Speaker 1: Trotter and he ended up playing over ten years in
Speaker 1: the league. So again, sometimes he's medical. Things can go
Speaker 1: the right way, and as the case of Lattimore, it
Speaker 1: went the wrong way. And I agree with you. I
Speaker 1: think there are a lot of people who thought, well,
Speaker 1: what if you filled the thirty four? Did you take
Speaker 1: the thirty four? And then all of a sudden, it's
Speaker 1: like you know, and you're like, and I tried to
Speaker 1: warn people on Twitter, he might not ever play again,
Speaker 1: you know, just be and no, would you take him
Speaker 1: at thirty No? I mean he might get this, He
Speaker 1: might not ever play again. He for sure won't play
Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, So we will see about that pro
Speaker 1: day for Golf tomorrow. What do you think? What are
Speaker 1: we gonna see from mister golf? Is he going to
Speaker 1: Is he gonna solidify himself as that first quarterback? Taken
Speaker 1: the things about quarterback pro days? I mean I I
Speaker 1: don't think there's anything more overrated than took the words
Speaker 1: right out of my mouth a scripted quarterback workout. Oh,
Speaker 1: we get excited about that day, don't we? Fifty seven
Speaker 1: sixty two? Yeah, because I love to see him throw
Speaker 1: and for some of these guys is important. You and
Speaker 1: I went to see Johnny Manziel at his pro day
Speaker 1: that was very well script and some of that was
Speaker 1: important because down the ball and a chance to see
Speaker 1: him takes National Munner Center. That was another one. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's something you never did it at A and M.
Speaker 1: So is a chance there are some things to take
Speaker 1: away from this that we can gain. But for the
Speaker 1: most part, I think it's just it's all scripted workouts,
Speaker 1: throwing against air, throwing with your own receivers, so you
Speaker 1: expect if you're not perfect or close to perfect, well,
Speaker 1: then I have questions because you should be right. So
Speaker 1: it's hard to really I think you can secure your
Speaker 1: status as one of the top quarterbacks. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's really I don't think you're really going to help
Speaker 1: yourself at this point for golf, you know. I think
Speaker 1: he can go in secure himself as arguably the top quarterback,
Speaker 1: you know, possibly worthy of a top ten pick. But
Speaker 1: I don't think we're gonna come away from tomorrow's pro
Speaker 1: day and say, Okay, this he's definitely the top quarterback.
Speaker 1: He needs to go. The Browns need to take him
Speaker 1: at number two. David. It kind of getting a little
Speaker 1: bit of win that maybe that Connor Cook might have
Speaker 1: a private workout with the Cowboys. Yeah, he said, he
Speaker 1: said he's got one scheduled. Actually, is that there's that
Speaker 1: kind of any concern or? I mean, I'd say I
Speaker 1: would be concerned because I'm not a Connor Cook fan
Speaker 1: on it, and I'm not either, but I sort of
Speaker 1: expect that the Cowboys should probably have some kind of
Speaker 1: workout scheduled with every quarterback there is every viable one.
Speaker 1: I mean, why wouldn't you. We know they're interested in
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott. We heard that they're interested in Connor Cook.
Speaker 1: You assume they're doing their due diligence on the top
Speaker 1: three as well. But I mean, when when your need
Speaker 1: for especially it does not look like they're going to
Speaker 1: do anything interesting in the free agent market quarterbacks. So
Speaker 1: your draft pick could arguably your second be your second
Speaker 1: best quarterback on the team, depending on who he takes.
Speaker 1: Should he be at thirty four absolutely, I mean he's
Speaker 1: in plays he would played for you at thirty four day.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I know you're not like the guy,
Speaker 1: but but for the Cowboys, Yeah, because I think if
Speaker 1: you're the Cowboys want Conor Cook, thirty four is where
Speaker 1: they have to take him. I don't think he's gonna
Speaker 1: last to sixty seven. Um, what round grade did you
Speaker 1: give him? I had him in the third. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't like the player myself, but the fact that the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: then again, they're talking about and I know you really
Speaker 1: like we we've heard speaking of another guy, Derrick Henry.
Speaker 1: We're starting to get a little bit of the he's
Speaker 1: not that's not even a private workout. He's a thirty visit.
Speaker 1: He's a thirty visit. That's what I'm saying, though. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're starting to hear some things of guys that you know,
Speaker 1: I might not particularly like, or Dave or you we
Speaker 1: particularly like, but what matters is what they like, right,
Speaker 1: And so that kind of in your'd you like going, well, okay,
Speaker 1: well you know we'll Connor Cook being play at thirty four, Well,
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry being play at thirty four, and they're both
Speaker 1: guys that you have to take at thirty four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they're both guys that I'm kind of like, would go,
Speaker 1: damn you know who else was on the board, right,
Speaker 1: I'd be one of those guys. To me. That's why
Speaker 1: I'm sitting in here with you, guys. I feel way
Speaker 1: better about Henry than Cook though that's just me, but no,
Speaker 1: I agree, And I think Henry's like number forty something
Speaker 1: on my board, So he's a mid second rounder to me. Sure,
Speaker 1: he's a second back in this draft to me. So
Speaker 1: at thirty four, I don't think it's a huge reach.
Speaker 1: I don't think it would be a mistake. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: get overly excited about it. But I think he fits
Speaker 1: this Cowboys offense. I think he could do some damage.
Speaker 1: And if you want Derek Henry, you have to take
Speaker 1: him at thirty four, So it would not be surprising
Speaker 1: if you would be the pick. Yeah. To answer your
Speaker 1: original question, if they're doing their job right, they should
Speaker 1: be turning over every stone at quarterback, that every single
Speaker 1: quarterback should get a visit from the Cowboy. And I
Speaker 1: think all the Cowboys draft picks last year two, I
Speaker 1: think we're the dirty visits. I mean just because that's yeah,
Speaker 1: you got to pay attention at thirty p Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's important to see who they're looking at. But
Speaker 1: sometimes you know, the guys they bring in are the
Speaker 1: guys they have some questions about or you know, like
Speaker 1: they want to find out more because they're they're not over,
Speaker 1: they're not completely sold whereon. You know, some of the
Speaker 1: guys they don't invite to the as a thirty visit.
Speaker 1: They know what they're getting. They don't need to bring
Speaker 1: him in and tip their hand, and you know, because
Speaker 1: they understand who the player is and they don't need to,
Speaker 1: you know, worry about interviewing him or seeing him up
Speaker 1: close anymore. So, you know, the thirty visits they're important,
Speaker 1: you know, once they come out or you know, once
Speaker 1: they get leaked out, you know, here and there. But
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that he's going to be the draft
Speaker 1: pick obviously. Yeah, I was told to don't throw dirt
Speaker 1: on Noah Spence's He's the best passion I'm sure in
Speaker 1: this draft. So yeah, he's a wild card. Don't throw
Speaker 1: dirt on Noah Spence at four. Don't throw don't no
Speaker 1: dirt on him at all. Well yeah, I wouldn't, But
Speaker 1: I mean there's there's people that kind of believe that
Speaker 1: maybe Noah Spence might not be you know, might be
Speaker 1: a guy that they take off the board for so
Speaker 1: much I'm saying I never I never bought Noah Spense
Speaker 1: as like this horrible box player guy like he had
Speaker 1: some fun, taken ecstasy a couple of times like that
Speaker 1: does kind of a year removed too right to you.
Speaker 1: And he hasn't gotten in any trouble since he left
Speaker 1: Ohio State this, I well, did get arrest of the
Speaker 1: or the minor incident in the bar, but not a
Speaker 1: big deal, not a drug issue. It doesn't freak me
Speaker 1: out the way Frank Clark did last year. Put it
Speaker 1: that way, Frank Clark is really different though. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: one of those cases where you're kind of you hold
Speaker 1: your breath about that one because we don't know a
Speaker 1: whole lot about that. I mean we've we we lived it.
Speaker 1: You and I just lived it. Yeah, we lived that
Speaker 1: whole cloud hanging over your head. Yeah, you know, it's
Speaker 1: not fun, I think, I mean, you know, especially where
Speaker 1: they took it. I mean, how much heat did the
Speaker 1: cowboys really take for Randy Gregory? And I mean obviously
Speaker 1: it didn't work out for him, at least not in
Speaker 1: year one. Right, everything people criticized him for it turned
Speaker 1: out to be true. But people, well, you know, you
Speaker 1: can live with that type of pick. It's a totally
Speaker 1: different issue than like domestic violence. As far as I'm concerned,
Speaker 1: you know, with Spence. You know, I think if he's
Speaker 1: he could fall to thirty four because he's such a
Speaker 1: wild card. I mean, there are yes I give him
Speaker 1: credit for instead of going to the draft, he went
Speaker 1: to Eastern Kentucky. He stayed clean. He told the coaches
Speaker 1: give me drug tests every week and he passed, and
Speaker 1: that that's great. But a lot of teams aren't overly
Speaker 1: sold on his interviews. He's not overly convincing, so that's
Speaker 1: been an issue for him. He's a top ten to
Speaker 1: fifteen player in this draft just in terms of talent,
Speaker 1: probably the best pure pass rusher. But where is he
Speaker 1: can end up on draft Day? It's anyone's guests. He's
Speaker 1: a true wild card. It wouldn't shock me at all
Speaker 1: if he slips through the first round and he's available
Speaker 1: at the top of the second if it comes down
Speaker 1: to guys, though, you know, with the Cowboys situation with
Speaker 1: them needing, could you see him going back to back,
Speaker 1: say they do take Bosa at four, could you see
Speaker 1: him going back to back and take and acted back
Speaker 1: taking uh, taking Noah thirty, uniting the two Bucks's Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's about you feel good about that? Sure? Absolutely it's value.
Speaker 1: I mean, at number four, you don't worry about your second,
Speaker 1: or third or fourth, You don't worry about any other pick.
Speaker 1: At number four, you take the best player on your board, right,
Speaker 1: and then at number two, okay, if a guy like
Speaker 1: Spence falls to you, then you have to stay true
Speaker 1: to that board. And as much as you would like
Speaker 1: to address the running back position, maybe pick up a
Speaker 1: wide receiver. If a talent expense is there, you did
Speaker 1: your due diligence. You believe he's gonna stay clean and
Speaker 1: that he can help your football team, you gotta add him.
Speaker 1: You know what, I would feel good about it. I'm
Speaker 1: sitting him thinking, you know, I want a running back
Speaker 1: that can bolster the offense, and I want to you know,
Speaker 1: all this other stuff. But if they don't take Ezekiel Elliott,
Speaker 1: then I feel just as good about them finding a
Speaker 1: guy on day three then I would about Derrick Henry
Speaker 1: or Kenneth Dixon for that matter, certainly at thirty four
Speaker 1: and sorry, no, I just I feel a lot better.
Speaker 1: And you call me a homer or an optimist if
Speaker 1: you want, but I just I feel better about Mo
Speaker 1: car Scandric Byron in the secondary. I'll throw Church in
Speaker 1: there for that. I feel a lot better about that
Speaker 1: than the average Cowboys fan, especially if you draft two
Speaker 1: ready made contributors a defensive end to try to improve
Speaker 1: that pass rush. I mean, it doesn't look like they're
Speaker 1: gonna do a whole lot for their pass rushing free agency.
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody that's really worth having is gone. So
Speaker 1: if you're gonna try to fix it through the draft,
Speaker 1: getting two guys in the top thirty four sounds like
Speaker 1: as good an option as any. So what we just said, though, then, uh,
Speaker 1: Jackson's nut doesn't fit in our our mode. Not if
Speaker 1: you're drafting Spence. Well no, I'm saying if you're but
Speaker 1: looking at thirty four, somehow he were to get to
Speaker 1: you at thirty four, I would be fine with that too.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I wouldn't like that. But dots say,
Speaker 1: say you had a situation. We had Dotson, Spence and accent,
Speaker 1: so that's tough. And let's and let's say you also
Speaker 1: you went both at four, so you already got your
Speaker 1: pass rusher, right, do you go pass rusher again? Kim
Speaker 1: d cash in on the value not touching Kim Dici
Speaker 1: to ten footpoll, I kind of leaned that way too, Okay,
Speaker 1: but no, no, that makes that's a that's a tough
Speaker 1: discussion in the war room because you have a chance
Speaker 1: to upgrade and find a true number two with Dockson. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, you can have the higher grade of the
Speaker 1: guys I named of Dotson. It's gotta be it's gotta
Speaker 1: be Spence. Right, just on the field, it is Spence,
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, I think it's got I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the off field stuff that makes them scary. And
Speaker 1: I do think I just said that Spence doesn't scare
Speaker 1: me as much as other questionable players, but I do
Speaker 1: think that might turn them off given what just happened
Speaker 1: with Randy Gregory. It's a factor. It has to be,
Speaker 1: especially and they took Grace by case, don't they. They
Speaker 1: keep telling us that, right, I took Gregory twenty six
Speaker 1: spots after Spence, So I mean, this is still a
Speaker 1: really rich pick to spend on a Krammium pis. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is, And so that's they had a lot of
Speaker 1: homework to do on him still and trying to figure
Speaker 1: him out. I think, well, you just made me feel
Speaker 1: somewhat comfortable about a corner. Then I think Spence would
Speaker 1: Spence is the best of those three players to add
Speaker 1: to this team, But I would probably take Jackson because
Speaker 1: it feels a big need and I don't think you
Speaker 1: have the same concerns about him. Why do I think
Speaker 1: Dotson would be the best player of those Well, I
Speaker 1: mean I may can argue if if if you didn't,
Speaker 1: if if you if you didn't feel comfortable, if you
Speaker 1: didn't be a comfortable Spence to me as a first
Speaker 1: round player, But I think Dotson deserves some consideration and
Speaker 1: the other teams late in the first round, oh absolutely.
Speaker 1: And the other thing too with Spence is he's better
Speaker 1: in a three four in my opinion. That's a that's
Speaker 1: a good point too. I mean he I think he's better.
Speaker 1: Give him space because he's not a guy that's going
Speaker 1: to consistently uh win with power, right. His arms aren't
Speaker 1: as long as you want talked about him in the
Speaker 1: run against the run right exactly. I mean, he's you
Speaker 1: can run at him, and so I think there are
Speaker 1: some issues there. He's not a and that's why you
Speaker 1: get asked questions all the time about him at four.
Speaker 1: I think that's ridiculous. I mean, he's just not that
Speaker 1: type of player you want the top five. He's a
Speaker 1: good pass rusher, don't get me wrong, but you have
Speaker 1: to kind of scheme him a little bit in a
Speaker 1: four three. I mean, you have to protect him because
Speaker 1: teams know they can run at him. But yeah, no
Speaker 1: to your Dockson point. You could sell me that Dockson
Speaker 1: would be the best option there because aber Jackson. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: you could sell me on that, because he can be
Speaker 1: at number two for this team midway through his rookie year.
Speaker 1: You know, a reliable guy. We talked about it last
Speaker 1: week that the way the board falls, with the values
Speaker 1: and the depth of the different positions. Wide receivers as
Speaker 1: good a guess as any and I'm sure that makes
Speaker 1: a lot of people upset when you consider the spot
Speaker 1: the holes on this team. But I mean, Terrence Williams
Speaker 1: has been inconsistent. He's entering the contract year. Cole Beasley
Speaker 1: is not going to play outside for you regardless, right,
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, I mean, I just came back
Speaker 1: from Baylor, so I've kind of got the bias of
Speaker 1: recent events in my mind. But I kind of I
Speaker 1: kind of developed a little bit of a man crush
Speaker 1: on Corey Coleman. Corey Coleman kids a beast. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he's he's a cocky little guy too. Do you have
Speaker 1: an idea what teams were working him out? Could you
Speaker 1: tell by Gear or anything like that who had him.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this, I don't know about working him out,
Speaker 1: but the Steelers brought their whole damn crew down to
Speaker 1: wake up. I think they're thinkings is a good bet.
Speaker 1: I don't, I mean especially, I know they just drafted
Speaker 1: Sammy Coates, but I mean Martavis Bryant looks like he's
Speaker 1: not going to be available. So yeah, that's not stunning it.
Speaker 1: But you couldn't tell by gear who was working anybody out?
Speaker 1: Not not really. Um they had um, but he got
Speaker 1: he went through a whole workout though, right they did.
Speaker 1: Who was taller? You were? Corey me? Oh no, Well
Speaker 1: I like that. He just he seems little. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he's he's yoked. He's a stocky guy. But he you know,
Speaker 1: he's not this imposing Julio Jones does Brian type of Honestly,
Speaker 1: the easy comparison is Odell Beckham. I mean, justin three
Speaker 1: you say he's got a little of that in him.
Speaker 1: He's he's ready for the superstar lifestyle. I'll tell you that,
Speaker 1: Like he's I wake up, kind of bringing him down.
Speaker 1: I was talking to him about I was talking to
Speaker 1: him about Dez because Corey Coleman has already signed a
Speaker 1: deal with Jordan, hasn't played enough bail down. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: so I was talking to him about Dez. He grew
Speaker 1: up a Cowboys fan, you know, he's from Dallas. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I was like, well, Dez is mister Jordan, so y'all
Speaker 1: would get along or whatever. He's like, I'm mister Jordan too,
Speaker 1: And I was like, you do not lack for confidence,
Speaker 1: sir at all, Like for him ready to go. I
Speaker 1: think you would worry this team at all. Not you,
Speaker 1: but this team about another Baylor receiver knowing you know,
Speaker 1: I think I don't. I don't know where to play
Speaker 1: him though. Well, these wide receivers out of Baylor, I
Speaker 1: mean they see you're going, I see where you and
Speaker 1: there's times where you watch him they don't do anything exactly.
Speaker 1: They just stand over there and do a big bag
Speaker 1: of nothing unchallenged routes as half field reads. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's something that you know, as I think Coleman
Speaker 1: will be a productive pro but you have the Baylor
Speaker 1: offense does have to worry you somewhat. I would take
Speaker 1: dots and all day, and that's fine. I'm to Dane's point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean Terrence Williams. There's plenty of questions and complaints
Speaker 1: you can come up with his for his play, but
Speaker 1: I don't think he's been so bad that it would
Speaker 1: turn you off from a Baylor receiver. I mean, as
Speaker 1: the eightieth overall pick, he's been a productive and explosive
Speaker 1: part of this offense. I mean, he hasn't been so
Speaker 1: bad that I'm just like cross off all Baylor and prospects. No.
Speaker 1: But but to take him at thirty four over a
Speaker 1: JSON or over Fuller, would you be surprised if people
Speaker 1: had him as the best receiver? Some people do over
Speaker 1: treadwall even. I mean I don't, I don't agree, but
Speaker 1: I guess I could see it because you know, we're
Speaker 1: we're not drafting these guys for you know, the rookie year.
Speaker 1: We're drafting these guys for three road absolutely, and so
Speaker 1: wouldn't shock meant a off Corey Coleman ends up being
Speaker 1: the most explosive receiver from this draft. Okay, We're gonna
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Speaker 1: Kent Garrison will run that part of the show for us.
Speaker 1: UH Dame Bruglers coming out with a couple of different
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Speaker 1: one of the best ways ago and another avenue is
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Speaker 1: so it'll be something that you can use as you're
Speaker 1: falling along on draft day. So okay, I think ed
Speaker 1: k Hill for coming up with this segment. It is
Speaker 1: Twitter on the Twitter. Dave Hellman, you got it, Fred
Speaker 1: wants to know. Um, I guess sort of a comparison,
Speaker 1: what is it about Bosa that makes him a more
Speaker 1: viable prospect than Shack Lawson. I mean Shack Lawson's kind
Speaker 1: of in that conversation for number two in what a question? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is a good question. I mean they bring a
Speaker 1: lot of the same strengths with their game, their skill set,
Speaker 1: the kind of style that they play. Neither at the elite.
Speaker 1: You know, Guy's gonna bend the edge consist instantly right
Speaker 1: win with speed. But I think they both are are
Speaker 1: are strong or technically sound. Um, I think I just
Speaker 1: get both of the edge because he's just a little
Speaker 1: bit more advanced with his hand technique and technique is outstanding.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, the way he understands and he and
Speaker 1: he learns throughout the course of a game, you know,
Speaker 1: and just how to break down the rhythm of the
Speaker 1: of the blocker and the offensive lineman. So yeah, he's
Speaker 1: just a little for far more advanced. But I mean
Speaker 1: Lawson's a darn good player too. Yeah, Lawson is good.
Speaker 1: I will say this about Bosa though, when you do
Speaker 1: watch him, and again, Dane's right about the quick that
Speaker 1: that the quick get off all that, the swim, the grab,
Speaker 1: the he's always trying to break the guy down. I
Speaker 1: think he breaks a tackle down better than what Losson
Speaker 1: does in my opinion. No, let's go and but now
Speaker 1: now you have to have that to finish it. And
Speaker 1: there are times where he absolutely finishes. And I think
Speaker 1: what you can do with Bosa the teams. The teams
Speaker 1: are going to figure out is you can kick him
Speaker 1: inside and that's gonna be That might be because of
Speaker 1: the quick or the hand quickness and the fighting. That
Speaker 1: might be his better position in the I mean, he
Speaker 1: might have more production as a three technique than he
Speaker 1: has as a defensive end because he can get right
Speaker 1: on the quarterback with quickness. Doesn't that scare you that
Speaker 1: that he would be better at three techniques? We play
Speaker 1: the run, Play the run, Yeah, play the left fitting
Speaker 1: they're gonna I think they're gonna have to move if
Speaker 1: they draft him. I think they're gonna move that. They'll
Speaker 1: move to Marcus Lawrence. I think that's fine. But well,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Tyrone Crawford too, though. Yeah, you put
Speaker 1: maybe maybe put Crawford at the one, and then you know,
Speaker 1: you get Mossa, who is an explosive player and dang's right,
Speaker 1: you know, and I people act again like I don't
Speaker 1: like the guy. There are things about him with the
Speaker 1: hands and all that that are outstanding. Could Shack play
Speaker 1: right end here? I mean, I know he's probably not
Speaker 1: the guy at four, but just entertain me. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: again he's talking about that. They don't. It's it's all
Speaker 1: about that spence. Those guys, those are the guys that
Speaker 1: have that, and Lawrence can do that. Lads, that's where
Speaker 1: Lawrence was originally thought that drafted him. Yeah, that's why. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I know he did well left end last year,
Speaker 1: but I have no problem moving him to right end
Speaker 1: and putting a guy like Bosa left hand that Joey Boss,
Speaker 1: Joey Bosa would be a damn good left defensive end
Speaker 1: and then and also a a inside player because the nickel.
Speaker 1: When you move him inside, he just quick. He's closer
Speaker 1: to the ball. We got a lot easier. We have
Speaker 1: to try to convince fans that, like, you don't need
Speaker 1: to jump off a cliff if they draft Joey Bosa.
Speaker 1: I feel like that. I feel like I'm the guy
Speaker 1: that kind of drove the train into the ditch. Because
Speaker 1: you know and people it is. But I've said all
Speaker 1: along the guys are good football players. No, it's the
Speaker 1: biggest one of the issues with draft season is these
Speaker 1: draft narratives that get started. Hey, that's why we have
Speaker 1: the Draft show now exactly to educate part. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: with a guy like Joey Bosa, he isn't Von Miller,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't need to be. He wins in other
Speaker 1: ways and he's he's a darn good football player. Who
Speaker 1: I think you know I've this before, but people talk
Speaker 1: about a ceiling dull darn and now he's going to
Speaker 1: a ceiling's n He doesn't have that huge up, sir.
Speaker 1: You don't need to project. He's already a darn good player.
Speaker 1: Here we go. You don't need to drink draino if
Speaker 1: they draft. That's bleach Blake. Blake wants to know. Um.
Speaker 1: I mean, we can't speak for the team or any
Speaker 1: other teams. Box players are who do you have in
Speaker 1: the box right now? Is there anybody? Is there anybody
Speaker 1: you think they might have in the box. We talked
Speaker 1: about Spence a little bit. There's box too because of
Speaker 1: medical Yeah, and that that that that so you have
Speaker 1: But if you if you're a guy that's filled a
Speaker 1: drug test at the combine, there might be again, case
Speaker 1: by case, a box player. I feel like there's a
Speaker 1: lot fewer box players under the Will McClay watch than
Speaker 1: I do with when Tom was doing Tom Siskowski. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't mean that as a slam,
Speaker 1: but Tom's a hardline guy. I think Will's a little
Speaker 1: bit more. Let's open this thing up. We're eliminating, We're
Speaker 1: eliminating Tyrn Matthew, We're eliminating, Uh the kid that play
Speaker 1: is it Carolina? You know? Yeah, Norman, we're eliminating guy.
Speaker 1: You know. But let's make it a case by case.
Speaker 1: But to say, you know, if the one thing they
Speaker 1: will tell you is if there has been a history
Speaker 1: of drug use, that they that's one of the things
Speaker 1: that they look at the drug use. Domestic violence is
Speaker 1: another one that they that they are now looking very
Speaker 1: strongly at two. So if you if those players following
Speaker 1: those under that umbrella, then they will be a consideration
Speaker 1: for Bob and I think one of those guys this
Speaker 1: year who have a lot to do a lot of
Speaker 1: work on Rushard Robinson. There you get corner from LSU
Speaker 1: that's the One's a lot of issues there that I
Speaker 1: that would be. I would not be surprised if he
Speaker 1: ends up in the box. He fits exactly. You're thinking
Speaker 1: we might hear some news about him. We wouldn't shock
Speaker 1: me at all, we do. I mean, that's just kind
Speaker 1: of how how his career has gone up at this point.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of accountability issues there. If you can't
Speaker 1: stay eligible at LSU, you got real problems. I am
Speaker 1: proof of that. Um, here's a here's an interesting from cam.
Speaker 1: I think. So at least you talk about not needing
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott because the offensive line is so good you
Speaker 1: can find cheaper production later in the draft. Is that
Speaker 1: short sighted because you got contracts coming up on this line?
Speaker 1: I mean it's not going to stay together forever. I
Speaker 1: mean Frederick's up in two years, Martin's up after that.
Speaker 1: Lal Collins has two years left on his deal before
Speaker 1: they got to worry about retaining him. Doug Freeze. The
Speaker 1: only guy that you know is going to be here
Speaker 1: for the foreseeable future is Tyrant Smith. So is it
Speaker 1: short sighted to think that you're going to have this
Speaker 1: great wall here forever? I mean they're going to do
Speaker 1: their best to keep these guys, but it's not gonna
Speaker 1: surprise me one bit if a couple of them get away.
Speaker 1: If you knew who, if you knew what you knew
Speaker 1: about this offensive line right now, I mean, you know
Speaker 1: the offensive blind the way it is. Who do you
Speaker 1: think they let walk? Who would they let walk of
Speaker 1: the offensive lineman? Travis aside from Free? Yeah? Well yeah,
Speaker 1: well no he doesn't the drafted Yeah, yeah, yeah, probably Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I mean Martin, I mean he's already two time.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's an All Pro. He's gonna be the
Speaker 1: best guard in football going forward. And then Lyle's a
Speaker 1: physical free and he gives you versus say he could
Speaker 1: kick out the right tackle. Yeah, I mean he gives
Speaker 1: you positions, which it makes me feel like a bad person,
Speaker 1: like I'm not trying a dog, not Jason Garrett In
Speaker 1: shows great player. Yeah, but you can only pay so
Speaker 1: many of these guys. I think that I think they
Speaker 1: let the center walk, and they they they maybe you
Speaker 1: might see a guy whoever the swing center is they
Speaker 1: draft with that one thirty five, If that's the guy
Speaker 1: or a third round guy, that that swing center guard
Speaker 1: guy could be your starter a couple years, so we're
Speaker 1: not getting too far away from the point. Is it
Speaker 1: shortsighted to undervalue running back? No, you don't think it is.
Speaker 1: So you think the line is still gonna be I
Speaker 1: think the line will be Okay, it'll be in. I
Speaker 1: think it'll be a check. Yeah, I think it'll be
Speaker 1: a tax. If you could, if you could get if
Speaker 1: you could keep four the four of the five, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. And then and then obviously you have a
Speaker 1: little bit of understanding how to draft guys. Sure, so yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll see. Okay, um, last one, we are all right.
Speaker 1: David wants to know. We've talked about this a little bit,
Speaker 1: but post Cedric Thornton, where are you looking at defensive tackle?
Speaker 1: If at all? I'm trying to get a defensive end now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking at first, I thought, you know, thirty four
Speaker 1: could be a spot. When we started this journey a
Speaker 1: long time ago, we were all talking about defensive tackles.
Speaker 1: It became a joke of the show. It kind of
Speaker 1: breaks my heart that I know, Andrew Billings is not
Speaker 1: really an option for this team now, you know, sure
Speaker 1: because of Thornton or because it just doesn't It doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense to me. You gotta it's gotta be thirty four,
Speaker 1: assuming he even falls that far. You need an end.
Speaker 1: You're well, not only that, you're paying your tackles a
Speaker 1: lot of money right now in corner. You know wide receiver,
Speaker 1: we went through him to open the show. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: i'd say and Andrew Billings as vality at thirty four. Okay,
Speaker 1: what if Billings and Spence both are there in both
Speaker 1: our first round grades? You gotta have the end, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, but you took Boast at four. But okay,
Speaker 1: but let's say that. Let's say Spence isn't there. Say
Speaker 1: they give is the first round grade and he's the
Speaker 1: only first round grade available at thirty four. Second round?
Speaker 1: There you go. Do you stick to your board and
Speaker 1: take that's what you have to That's that's that's a
Speaker 1: fair question. I guess I probably still would because you
Speaker 1: need I mean, you got its rotation right, you need
Speaker 1: eight guys right, and I I mean you have through
Speaker 1: all McClain. But he's no sure thing, so it wouldn't
Speaker 1: be the worst. McClain has been here two years now
Speaker 1: and hand last of the season. It'd be pretty nasty
Speaker 1: to have Tyrone Billings and uh, and say Crawford goes
Speaker 1: down with the injury, I mean, could Thornton move to
Speaker 1: play three technique or the three technique? And you know,
Speaker 1: I mean you have a little bit of flexibility there
Speaker 1: to move guys around. So I mean, I think Billings
Speaker 1: is still in play if he's there at thirty four.
Speaker 1: That's fair. Thank you. I appreciate that. Dan, I need it.
Speaker 1: I'm glad that I like. I like. I like him
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, I got first round, he went under
Speaker 1: five five flat in the fourth. He didn't need it,
Speaker 1: which is funny. It's funny because you know, everyone's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, he didn't bench, like why wouldn't he bench?
Speaker 1: And everyone I know he talked about doing fifty reps
Speaker 1: at the combine and that's why he still did thirty one,
Speaker 1: which was seventh best at the entire event. Like he
Speaker 1: had a damn good bench. It's not like he can't bench.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I'm gonna be nicer, that's what you know.
Speaker 1: It didn't work out that way all the time. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: thanks everybody for the Twitter questions. I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: keep it in your ballpark here. Let's do it because
Speaker 1: We're gonna do another one of my favorite things to
Speaker 1: do now, and it's called tell Me More. Here on
Speaker 1: the Draft Show, we like to we like to find
Speaker 1: a way to not only talk about the top guys,
Speaker 1: but we take pride in giving you names of guys
Speaker 1: down the line, guys so when they are picked in
Speaker 1: the fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh round, we still have an
Speaker 1: understanding of who they are. So again, if you buy
Speaker 1: Dan's Draft Guide in the Star magazine, you'll know that anyway.
Speaker 1: But on this show, we'll do that. So, Dave, who
Speaker 1: do you got today for? Tell Me More? Well, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna start off with some prote guys because that's kind
Speaker 1: of been in the theme of the week. I was
Speaker 1: in Waco and Miles Jack worked out on Tuesday in
Speaker 1: La I told you all this yesterday. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: start one out. Start out with one that you're ready for. Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to know more about Baylor cornerback Zavian Howard.
Speaker 1: What can you tell me he clocked in at like
Speaker 1: a did a damn good for it yesterday? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know how. I mean, they're always faster at their
Speaker 1: pro days. Oh yeah, but I'm and he's big. He's
Speaker 1: a big, big guy too, So I'm interested. First off,
Speaker 1: on Howard. He and William Jackson were teammates in high
Speaker 1: school cornerback tandem. How about that, I mean, how tough
Speaker 1: is that going for those two corners future NFL guys.
Speaker 1: But Howard first flashed for me last year going up
Speaker 1: against Kevin White, the West Virginia wide receiver. They had
Speaker 1: some battles. White got the best of them a few times,
Speaker 1: but Howard held his own. He's a big guy. He
Speaker 1: can run, and he consistently stays within arm's length of
Speaker 1: wide receivers. He doesn't that He's not a guy you're
Speaker 1: gonna look at as the prototype for fundamentals. He does
Speaker 1: not pay attention to the technique like you you know,
Speaker 1: want a guy too. But he's quick, he's agile, and
Speaker 1: I love his ball skills, the way he can attack
Speaker 1: the ball. He finds it and he goes and gets it.
Speaker 1: And so for me, he's a second round pick and
Speaker 1: one of the better corners in this draft that doesn't
Speaker 1: get the love he should. Yeah, he's a smooth moving
Speaker 1: guy too. You watch him play, and like Dane, the
Speaker 1: thing I like about him and when you can you
Speaker 1: can kind of get away with it when you don't
Speaker 1: play technique really well. If you're if you have an
Speaker 1: understanding of routes and how to play routes. And I
Speaker 1: think he's got that ability. I mean I see him
Speaker 1: like bang on a receiver and then kind of adjust
Speaker 1: and whatever that receiver hever receiver takes his route. He's
Speaker 1: kind of there involved with that. He can undercut routes.
Speaker 1: I think he's got a really good understanding of how
Speaker 1: to stay in position to play routes. You like him
Speaker 1: in the second round. Is thirty four too high? I
Speaker 1: don't think so. I mean, I think he's I have
Speaker 1: William Jackson rated higher, so I mean I would take
Speaker 1: Jackson over him. But I don't think thirty four is
Speaker 1: too high. And I think you hit on it doing
Speaker 1: doing wide receiver like things, right, That's what you look
Speaker 1: for in a corner. Some corners can get away with
Speaker 1: that with speed, they can stay within arm's length. Howard
Speaker 1: does it because he understands a wide receiver position, so
Speaker 1: he's able to stay in shadow and mirror what the
Speaker 1: receiver's doing. Yeah, six foot Draft Advisory Board told him
Speaker 1: he was a fourth or fifth round grade and he
Speaker 1: needed to stay in school. I think he's about to
Speaker 1: make them eat their words. Yeah, And I can't believe
Speaker 1: watching tape he would think that unless they're getting on
Speaker 1: him about the technique and stuff like that. I have
Speaker 1: him in the third round myself. But Dane's right. People
Speaker 1: need corners and they need big corners and he can
Speaker 1: do that. It's hard for, you know, in the Big twelve,
Speaker 1: for a lot of these guys playing corner, you're gonna
Speaker 1: get beat. If you're if you want to play corner
Speaker 1: and you go to the Big twelve, you're going to
Speaker 1: get beat. That's just the nature of the conference. So
Speaker 1: there is some you know, bad tape out there, but
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot more good tape, and his
Speaker 1: upside is off the charts. Okay, sticking in the Big
Speaker 1: twelve because I'm terrified about this team's pass rush. It
Speaker 1: looks really bad. It doesn't look good at all. Tell
Speaker 1: me more about out Emmanuel Ogba out of Oklahoma State.
Speaker 1: Kind of a forgotten guy for a lot of people,
Speaker 1: Like I know, he's a higher grade than what I
Speaker 1: would want for this segment. I mean, he's considered a
Speaker 1: pretty high prospect, but completely buried, Like we haven't talked
Speaker 1: about him once on this show. I'm confident. Yeah, not
Speaker 1: very much, though, tell me more. I think I feel
Speaker 1: like though, and just looking at my notes, I felt
Speaker 1: like that that he had like upper body strength. I
Speaker 1: thought that was really good. I thought his hands, the
Speaker 1: way he played his hands, I didn't see him always
Speaker 1: explosive to capture the edge. No, he's not that guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and especially when you watch him play against white Hair
Speaker 1: from Kansas State, white Hair takes him to task pretty well,
Speaker 1: even to the point where they had to move. I
Speaker 1: know I've said that a couple of different times, but
Speaker 1: you know, he's one of those guys that if he
Speaker 1: could get his shoulder past the blocker, he's got a shot.
Speaker 1: I mean he could, he could sharpen it down, but
Speaker 1: you don't always see him capturing that edge. And I
Speaker 1: don't see that elite type of ability to do that
Speaker 1: to beat Now he's keeping play. He's a right end,
Speaker 1: but I just don't see him all the time being
Speaker 1: able to get the edge, get the shoulder passed, and
Speaker 1: then flatten to the quarterback. He's very methodical with his speed,
Speaker 1: with his explosiveness. I mean, that's just he's not a
Speaker 1: twitchy type of guy, right, But he's balanced, he's physical,
Speaker 1: and he Gundy called on the coach's dream because of
Speaker 1: his work ethic, the way he carries himself. He's born
Speaker 1: in Nigeria, came over here when he was I believe
Speaker 1: nine or ten years old. So I mean he's you know,
Speaker 1: you don't have to worry about him off the field.
Speaker 1: You know he's gonna give everything he has, but he's
Speaker 1: still learning the complexities at the position, yeah, and of
Speaker 1: the sport overall. So I do think he's worth a
Speaker 1: second round pick, and I do think he will continue
Speaker 1: to get better. I don't see him as a guy
Speaker 1: he's gonna, you know, bend the edge consistently win the corners.
Speaker 1: He is, but there are still things alike about him
Speaker 1: possible he's there at sixty seven. I know you just
Speaker 1: said second round being a pass rusher. I think he
Speaker 1: probably goes second round. I mean, I think he's he's
Speaker 1: more he's more middle too late than he is early.
Speaker 1: If people in fact are gonna put him in that point,
Speaker 1: there's other guys that I would consider before him, But
Speaker 1: it's hard to get excited about him as a first
Speaker 1: round player. But if you land him in the mid
Speaker 1: second round. You can do a lot worse. Absolutely sticking
Speaker 1: with the past rusher, This is a Dane special. This
Speaker 1: is a Dallas Cowboys special because they draft guys from
Speaker 1: nobody's schools, well, not even draft whatever. Matt Judon from
Speaker 1: Grand Valley State, the fighting Jeff Heaths, I believe or
Speaker 1: is it he's a Grand Valley? Yeah? Is it car
Speaker 1: or sagona Valley. One of them is sagonaw On. One
Speaker 1: of them is Grand val Cars, Grand Valley. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: you go. But they love their players from nobody's schools
Speaker 1: in Michigan, is my point. Yeah. And obviously he faces
Speaker 1: a big jump of competition going from D two to
Speaker 1: uh what he's gonna face the NFL. And but he
Speaker 1: just dominated D two competition. I mean the offensive tackles
Speaker 1: that he faced, they had no shot against him, right,
Speaker 1: I mean he one thing I worry about with him.
Speaker 1: He has some past knee issues that he has to
Speaker 1: will come the medicals, have to come back clean. But
Speaker 1: you watch him that initial quickness off the edge to dip.
Speaker 1: He he'll fly through the air, you know, to get
Speaker 1: after the ball. That kind of a you know when
Speaker 1: we were when we were doing his tape, scouts went
Speaker 1: on the road with him weighing two hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: five pounds and at the combine, I want to say
Speaker 1: he weighed two seventy five, which I'm right, Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: sixty three two seventy five. And I initially on tape,
Speaker 1: I thought it more of a three to four outside linebacker.
Speaker 1: And just to show you the tape with Dane's talking
Speaker 1: about I watched Southwest Baptist Ashland and Ferris State. Jeez,
Speaker 1: you know that that's but that's not his fault. It's
Speaker 1: not I mean, that's that's Grand Valley State plays those schools.
Speaker 1: But I will say this, this guy plays on both sides.
Speaker 1: He could play right in, he could play left in.
Speaker 1: But I saw him playing a much lighter weight at
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty five pounds. And I will say this,
Speaker 1: though he could chase from the back side, he can
Speaker 1: capture the edge. He works to the level of the quarterback.
Speaker 1: I mean he I could say Russias from both sides.
Speaker 1: I see a burst, I he balance. You know, he
Speaker 1: uses technique, you can bull rush. There's some things about
Speaker 1: this guy that are really really good, and I like,
Speaker 1: I like, But I'll tell you one thing. When you
Speaker 1: see a guy that can retrace his steps when he
Speaker 1: goes up and then the play comes past him and
Speaker 1: he goes back and he gets on on the play,
Speaker 1: that's effort, that's desire. There's a lot of things to
Speaker 1: like about this player. But again, you're watching the doesn't
Speaker 1: freak you out that the tackles he's abusing are in
Speaker 1: CPAs well. Okay, we're gonna talk about eventually, we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about an offensive tackle that plays that. I think
Speaker 1: that I don't know if and I don't know if
Speaker 1: he's on your list not to the West Georgia offensive tackle. Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: I mean I I you know, there's obviously there's talent
Speaker 1: and every I mean sixty three he's six three, two
Speaker 1: seventy five. Now, I mean there's if if he in
Speaker 1: fact is not If he could play the with the
Speaker 1: quickness that he played with and that burst and exploit,
Speaker 1: he's a guy that I would take, I would take
Speaker 1: a strong look at because he has he's got he's
Speaker 1: got an understanding. He really really does. I know, I'm
Speaker 1: not overselling this guy. He does have an understand It's
Speaker 1: disappointing that he was supposed to be at the Shrine game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he got hurt and so I didn't get a
Speaker 1: chance to see him. I was looking forward to seeing
Speaker 1: him against an upticking competition. But that's the issue with
Speaker 1: all these smaller school guys because it is such a
Speaker 1: difference in speed going up a level. You know, last
Speaker 1: year with Ali Marpett coming from the D three level,
Speaker 1: he didn't face a single rusher that was going to,
Speaker 1: you know, have a sniff at the NFL. But he
Speaker 1: goes to the the Senior Bowl and he still holds his own.
Speaker 1: So this guy did. This guy at two seventy five
Speaker 1: ran four sixty eight, let's go, and he had thirty
Speaker 1: thirty reps at two twenty five. All right, there's some
Speaker 1: freakish things about him. Now, you're right. I watched Southwest,
Speaker 1: Baptist Ashland and Fairest State. It's not fair, But I'm
Speaker 1: just imagining Tyrn Smith doing that like slap mod He
Speaker 1: love that movie where he gets up Phil he just
Speaker 1: pushes him way. Yeah, two seventy five. I don't know
Speaker 1: round what are we talking here? Like the guy talking,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking thirty four overall? No no no, no no
Speaker 1: no no no no no Where'd I have him here?
Speaker 1: I had him in the third round? Wow? Yeah, God,
Speaker 1: that's intriguing that that goes strong? There? Did I go?
Speaker 1: Did I over got him in the fifth? Higher night?
Speaker 1: But no, No, that he's a pass rusher who has
Speaker 1: proven he can get to the quarterback. So you know, I,
Speaker 1: if you go, it wouldn't be shocks. He ends up
Speaker 1: in the third round. Yeah, I wasn't impressed when I
Speaker 1: talked to him. Um, how was he? I talked? I
Speaker 1: talked to some coaches about him. He told me, Dane
Speaker 1: the dream killer is the dream killer. He told him
Speaker 1: he wised up as a senior. He got a lot better.
Speaker 1: But that's a red flag than me when you have
Speaker 1: to wise up as a senior. Um. But no, hey,
Speaker 1: he maybe the light bulb turned on for him, and
Speaker 1: you know he's full go the rest of the way.
Speaker 1: We'll see. But I I that's a guy I take
Speaker 1: a chance on the fifth round. But hey, if a
Speaker 1: team take the chance. I'm on the third round and
Speaker 1: he hits, we're gonna split him on our board. He's
Speaker 1: gonna be there at four there go round there we go.
Speaker 1: I'll take him at one thirty five. Uh, this is
Speaker 1: the broadest schell Mackenzie Bernardo has departed in free agency. Yeah,
Speaker 1: needn't mean regardless what you might think they needed line depth, right,
Speaker 1: Isaac sue Malo? Did I say that right? Did you
Speaker 1: say it right? Tell me more about the Oregon State.
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan. I twetered about him the other
Speaker 1: day because I just finished his report. I think he's
Speaker 1: a top three center in this class. But he did
Speaker 1: play guard last year, so he does bring some position flex.
Speaker 1: As long as he's healthy, this guy's a top one
Speaker 1: hundred pick for me. I mean, I think he's that good.
Speaker 1: He's not the biggest, not the strongest, but he's just
Speaker 1: Some guys were born to play the position and he was.
Speaker 1: He's one of them. The way his technique is, the
Speaker 1: way he sits in a stance, He's able to anchor,
Speaker 1: He's able to control the point of attack. I think
Speaker 1: he's best at center, and I think that he could
Speaker 1: be a long time starter in this league. To me,
Speaker 1: I get a top three center. I grated him at
Speaker 1: as a Again, it matters on the medicals up because
Speaker 1: he missed all of twenty fourteen with a foot shoe,
Speaker 1: came back this past year was still getting back into
Speaker 1: the swing of things. But he's a football lifer. His
Speaker 1: dad a longtime defensive line coach for several colleges. I
Speaker 1: think this guy is the real deal. I'll be interested
Speaker 1: to see because I had him in the fifth It's
Speaker 1: where I had him, and he played. I watched him
Speaker 1: play left tack. What a disparity here. Yeah, no, but
Speaker 1: that's okay, that's okay, that's what this is all about.
Speaker 1: It scares me, though, Like it scares me when y'all
Speaker 1: don't really see eyed eye on Oh no, we see
Speaker 1: eyed eye on these guys. Well. And he said he's
Speaker 1: a top one hundred pick. I saw him in the fifth,
Speaker 1: but he I like, who got him a full fifty
Speaker 1: picks later? I just I'm just telling you, though, he's right, though.
Speaker 1: The guy played left tackle, and he was out of
Speaker 1: place playing left talk. He was out of place playing
Speaker 1: left tack. Hit three starts a left tackle down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's not when they put him inside a guard though,
Speaker 1: though he is he is a better player. Though. I
Speaker 1: like your analysis more because I know they need somebody.
Speaker 1: But I would not like it if they spent a
Speaker 1: top one hundred pick on a or lineman. I think no,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, now, wait a minute, now, let's think
Speaker 1: about this. What if it is a center, what if
Speaker 1: it's somebody that we do liked. It's just I think
Speaker 1: they need to get a center, for a true center first.
Speaker 1: And you think the guy could play thinking the true center, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he played center's first two years. Yeah, freshman sophomore year.
Speaker 1: He to me is freshman sophomore year, he looked like
Speaker 1: a future All pro as a center. He got hurt
Speaker 1: and chosen fourteen miss the entire year. Came back this
Speaker 1: past year for a brand new coaching staff, and they
Speaker 1: moved in the guard and left tackle. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: he can play guard, but he's best at center. And yeah,
Speaker 1: to me, it's say you Malow, say what you want about,
Speaker 1: say you Malow. But he's the guy. I like Glasgow
Speaker 1: from Michigan. He lives with his grandmother. I like him.
Speaker 1: I like worries me a little bit because he's tall.
Speaker 1: He's six sixty six six, gets he plays with great
Speaker 1: Now he's a good player. I like him the fourth
Speaker 1: So I'm with you, all right, we got to go
Speaker 1: to our last break before we get out of here.
Speaker 1: Wait we didn't. I got one. I got one for Dane.
Speaker 1: It's just for Dane, just for Dane. I'm honestly for Dane.
Speaker 1: I hope that I can stump you. I hope you'll
Speaker 1: have enough thing for me. Okay, I'm sorry about that.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry about the time. That's all that's on me.
Speaker 1: He posted a great forty time at UCLA's prote and
Speaker 1: I want to know more about Devin Fuller wide receiver.
Speaker 1: I think Jordan Payton gets most of the attention, uh
Speaker 1: and even the tight end. But yeah, if Fuller with
Speaker 1: that forty time, he's really gonna help himself open some eyes.
Speaker 1: I was disappointed didn't can see Fuller right the tight
Speaker 1: end Durante, Yeah, I thought we need There's no way
Speaker 1: a power of five school is gonna stump thing like
Speaker 1: he's gonna know him. I don't know. I wasn't. I
Speaker 1: really wasn't oppressed with him yet. He's fast, but obviously
Speaker 1: there's a lot more things to the receiver position than
Speaker 1: being fast. But with that type of speed, yeah, wouldn't
Speaker 1: he's shocked if a team takes a chance on him late.
Speaker 1: You know a guy that can you know, he's not
Speaker 1: quite Jordan Payton in terms of as a route runner,
Speaker 1: runner and catching the ball. But he's got the speed.
Speaker 1: He's me because I hadn't done him. I have done
Speaker 1: the guy. I mean, is are we just talking about
Speaker 1: speed here? Like howard his hands? Any? I mean any?
Speaker 1: And honestly, I don't even get stress now. I don't
Speaker 1: even care about his special team's abilities because you have
Speaker 1: Lucky Whitehead to do that if I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: so if all he is is fast, well, and for
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys, you know, you want to
Speaker 1: separate them with their distinguishing traits. And for this guy
Speaker 1: at speed because it's hard to get it's hard to
Speaker 1: hang his hat on his route, running his hands, you know,
Speaker 1: he's blocking differently. It's it's hard to really say, Okay,
Speaker 1: well that's what he does really well. Speed is really
Speaker 1: the key to his game and making at the next level. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: we gotta take our final break and then we'll come back.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take some calls. Dave, thanks again for doing
Speaker 1: tell me more. It's something that we're going to get
Speaker 1: into more as we get closer to this draft. So
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Speaker 1: Kent Garrison Executive Producer and at this time I will
Speaker 1: turn the show over to KNT Garrison. We're gonna take
Speaker 1: calls eight eight eight eight five five two two nine seven.
Speaker 1: Everybody in the panel is doing great and if you
Speaker 1: get to your question, it will be good to go.
Speaker 1: So you've got it, can't go ahead? All right? Tim
Speaker 1: and DC? You're up? Okay, guys, I've listened to a
Speaker 1: little bit of the show and may as well start
Speaker 1: with a populous question, right, And I got a couple
Speaker 1: other quick ones too, But so the populous question is
Speaker 1: everybody seems to think Dallas is not going to go
Speaker 1: QB early. There's questions if at all they're not going
Speaker 1: to go Ezekiel Elliott early. Although that strategy, when you
Speaker 1: think about it, makes a lot of sense to me
Speaker 1: because that helps the defense one heck of a lot
Speaker 1: if you have a fantastic offense like we did two
Speaker 1: years ago. So having sell that, knowing that you guys
Speaker 1: are trending that way and it's what everybody thinks, Jerry
Speaker 1: and the Red Haired Genius are going to do well.
Speaker 1: Who's the running backs that they're going to target? Is
Speaker 1: it gonna be that guy Vante Booker Dixon? And on
Speaker 1: the quarterback into things? Do you see him going after
Speaker 1: a developmental prospect in later rounds? Those are the kind
Speaker 1: of questions I have and and you know, consider this,
Speaker 1: they could have had David Johnson or Buck Allen last year,
Speaker 1: both of which proved to be NFL level talents, right,
Speaker 1: good good running backs. So I don't know that's the progression.
Speaker 1: I want to hear. What are they gonna do a
Speaker 1: running back in quarterback? I get that they're going to
Speaker 1: do all the stuff from defense. I know that's probably
Speaker 1: gonna that's gonna eat some of the earlier picks. And
Speaker 1: then the side note is I heard this last night,
Speaker 1: literally on the street. I heard the Redskins lifted a
Speaker 1: scout from the Cowboys office, the front office, somebody, the
Speaker 1: guy in the second in command behind Will McClay. So
Speaker 1: I'd love it. Does anybody know the guy's name who
Speaker 1: that is? Because I can't find it anywhere on the web.
Speaker 1: I've googled that exhaustively since last night. And this this
Speaker 1: neighbor of mine works in the Redskin front office, and
Speaker 1: he says it's fact not fiction. Okay, thank you very much,
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Yeah, a lot to digest right there. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: let's cover the the quarterback part of it. Down the line. Guy,
Speaker 1: I think it would be a mistake to they're not
Speaker 1: gonna draft a quarterback at think you can say that
Speaker 1: I would lean toward no. But like I said, I
Speaker 1: mean day, they're gonna do their due diligence. And I
Speaker 1: mean Dak Prescott was a guy that we love to
Speaker 1: talk about. DUI kind of throws a wrench in that.
Speaker 1: I don't think it takes him off the board by
Speaker 1: any means, No, not at all. Um, it's interesting. I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm gonna go rapid fire with all eighteen of
Speaker 1: those issues. But I mean, Randy Gregory's the reason why
Speaker 1: there wasn't a running back taken lot. I think they
Speaker 1: like their options at sixty. I think Tevin Coleman, Duke Johnson.
Speaker 1: There was one other guy that I think, who am
Speaker 1: I forgetting? Not David Johnson. But I think there were
Speaker 1: two or three guys that they liked at sixty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they decided Gregory was too good of an opportunity to
Speaker 1: pass up. Coleman specifically was gone by the time they
Speaker 1: came up again. So was so was Johnson. As a
Speaker 1: matter of fact, they were both gone by the time
Speaker 1: you get to ninety two. Um, we know they're bringing
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry here. Yeah, that's that's I mean that's interesting
Speaker 1: to me. I kind of wrote Derrick Henry off. Maybe
Speaker 1: that was premature, so Zeke I still think is really
Speaker 1: unlikely unless there's some kind of trade. Derrick Henry's a
Speaker 1: guy to keep an eye on in the second round.
Speaker 1: And if not that, then you know you're looking at
Speaker 1: the third round at the earliest. I would guess which
Speaker 1: but you I mean, if you're picking at sixty seven,
Speaker 1: I think anybody but probably Henry and Zeke is in play,
Speaker 1: right right, So take a good chance of take take
Speaker 1: your pick whichever Booker Dixon, pro Size, whoever they like
Speaker 1: the best. That's the route they'll probably go if they
Speaker 1: If they do that, and I think that's I mean,
Speaker 1: Hellman is laid it out, Yeah, perfectly. I mean I
Speaker 1: think that's exactly how they're looking. Uh, sixty seven's a
Speaker 1: sweet spot for running back. And if they do, then yeah,
Speaker 1: Booker Dixon if he's still there, pro Size and those
Speaker 1: are the names that make the most sense. And I
Speaker 1: think they all fit this offense. Yeah. Um. And then
Speaker 1: if they don't in round three then and round four,
Speaker 1: that's when you know, Jordan Howard maybe, I mean Alex
Speaker 1: Collins probably be gone. Sure, But I mean, Jonathan Williams
Speaker 1: is still there could be options. So absolutely they do
Speaker 1: have some options here if they don't go Henry at
Speaker 1: thirty four. Un qualities we're talking about. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I can't predict a lot. I was. I thought they
Speaker 1: needed a running back last year. They didn't do it
Speaker 1: because of Gregory. I would I'll put my savings on
Speaker 1: the line that they will draft a running back at
Speaker 1: the top one. Yes, I'll go. I'll go out. I
Speaker 1: think with one of their first all right, I'll even
Speaker 1: with one of their first five picks, so one up
Speaker 1: to one thirty five, one of those two, one of
Speaker 1: those first five picks will be a running back. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm very very confident. Hold you do that, Okay, all right, down,
Speaker 1: Well you got kid? All right? Sean in New York, Sean,
Speaker 1: go ahead, Yes, with the number fourth pick. I feel
Speaker 1: we have so many these needs as a team for
Speaker 1: a defensident as we know, but as a deep graph
Speaker 1: we have great coaches, guys, so we should believe in
Speaker 1: that the fourth pick should be Ezekiel Elliott for him,
Speaker 1: for him to cover a lot of holes. Any defensive
Speaker 1: player we pick at four is not going to cover
Speaker 1: the holes that we have as a team, where Ezekiel,
Speaker 1: I feel what a couple of more holes that we
Speaker 1: need because we seem to tind to have success a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. I just said, it seems like
Speaker 1: the more logic. It don't seem logical because we do
Speaker 1: a lot of things like the Patrios. You got a
Speaker 1: cap cap situation under control. We do things. The Patrios
Speaker 1: do things unconventional. We just need to pick who we like.
Speaker 1: We've seen Frederick. Everybody gave us hell when we picked
Speaker 1: him at thirty one. He's our player. Less pick Ezekiel.
Speaker 1: He'll cover more holes. No defensive player we pick at
Speaker 1: four is going to cover the holes or make our
Speaker 1: defense that much better. Okay, thank you, thank you, Sean.
Speaker 1: I appreciate the call. Would I would disagree because I
Speaker 1: love Elliott, But there, if you're in the situation right
Speaker 1: now with what's going on a defensive end, that's yeah,
Speaker 1: that's you cannot you cannot look away from that any longer.
Speaker 1: If if they got Chris Long or they went and
Speaker 1: got uh, you know, went and got Adrian Clayborne from Atlanta,
Speaker 1: I would be all over the And I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to say to pigeonhole. But we were just talking about earlier,
Speaker 1: back to back defensive end. You know, I'll go out
Speaker 1: and say it. It's a critical thing to say. I
Speaker 1: right now I think they have pigeonholed themselves. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't right now. And you know, free agency is not over.
Speaker 1: I think they're still talking to Jack Crawford. There's still
Speaker 1: some guys out there. They were linked to the kid
Speaker 1: in Oakland, Mayoa. Nothing's done with that. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: restricted guy too. They're still talking to people, so they
Speaker 1: could add to the Let's say they bring in Jack
Speaker 1: Crawford and they sign another end, then maybe you can
Speaker 1: start talking me into something else again. If I know,
Speaker 1: I've got guys who can start at end while Gregory
Speaker 1: waits to come back from suspension. Right but right now today,
Speaker 1: I think they're stuck where they need a pass rusher
Speaker 1: right quick. They need a guy who can step into
Speaker 1: the lineup because they got not a yeah and that
Speaker 1: lad Nada. The whole purpose of free agency is to
Speaker 1: fill your needs. So in the draft you can go
Speaker 1: best available. You can just worry about adding talent. And
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are you know, a little bit behind the
Speaker 1: a ball there but they are you know again, I man,
Speaker 1: I hate to be the president of the Bosa fan club,
Speaker 1: but he makes an impact more than just as a
Speaker 1: as a left end or a right end or wherever
Speaker 1: you play him. I mean because he helps Lawrence, he
Speaker 1: takes pressure off of Lawrence. On the other side, I
Speaker 1: mean he helps the defensive tackles, he helps a secondary.
Speaker 1: If you know, if he's drawing double teams, well he's
Speaker 1: taking attention away from someone else. So I mean, I
Speaker 1: think he impacts more than just plugging a man at
Speaker 1: defensive end. Can I can? I I'll be a Sunshine
Speaker 1: pumper for a second. Try to draw a correlation. Here
Speaker 1: is Joey Bosa a comparable? I mean, it's not even
Speaker 1: the same side of the ball, but it reminds me
Speaker 1: of Zach Martin. You got a lot of sexier options.
Speaker 1: You take a rock solid guy. Obvious, Martin's a two
Speaker 1: time pro bowler, so maybe that's not fair, but I
Speaker 1: mean in both, I think you're drafting a guy who
Speaker 1: can start and play from day one. There's no doubt
Speaker 1: be productive. He's probably not. He's probably not a nineteen
Speaker 1: or twenty sack guy, and that's why he's not a
Speaker 1: sexy sounding pick, sure, but I'll take a guy who
Speaker 1: can start for five at least five, if not eight
Speaker 1: to ten years. I mean, that's not the end of
Speaker 1: the world, you know. And I and I'm I'm president
Speaker 1: of the of the Zeke fan club too, is me?
Speaker 1: I'm well on the record, Yeah, that's my top guys.
Speaker 1: If the Cowboys fans made the pick, it would be Zeke.
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it, no doubt, there's no about it. Okay, Ken,
Speaker 1: what do you got Horse in Atlanta? Probably last one?
Speaker 1: Yere alright, go ahead, Horse. Hey. You know, I've been
Speaker 1: looking at the Cowboys draft Hit to Resists twenty ten
Speaker 1: and they have not drafted well. From rounds four on down.
Speaker 1: Um have scored well, you know, in the U three
Speaker 1: rounds pretty much, which I don't think is really that
Speaker 1: difficult to do, but you know, the four rounds below
Speaker 1: they don't do well. So I'm I'm concerned about them
Speaker 1: moving down from four and trying to get more picks.
Speaker 1: I'm wondering, can they move up to get you know,
Speaker 1: package some of the smaller picks. There's the later round
Speaker 1: picks to move up to get higher, better quality players
Speaker 1: and number two you know, you're all talking about Zeke
Speaker 1: so much like he's like he's Adrian Peterson, But I
Speaker 1: don't see. I didn't see him have Adrian Peterson type
Speaker 1: production in college. So I would not try and draft
Speaker 1: someone at four like and Adrian Peterson. I would, but
Speaker 1: not him because he just didn't do what AP did
Speaker 1: in college. Of course, soon would you take it for
Speaker 1: we would I take it for right now? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would take either Miles Jack or Ramsey. Okay, thank you
Speaker 1: very much, appreciate your call. Man. Well, and he's not
Speaker 1: Adrian Peter somebody you know that's not who should be
Speaker 1: compared to. I mean, I and he had back to
Speaker 1: back eighteen hundred yard seasons. It's not like production was
Speaker 1: an issue. I see more of a Frank Gore type
Speaker 1: of player, which is, you know, a heck of a
Speaker 1: career if he ends up like that. But he has
Speaker 1: a point about not hitting on some of these day
Speaker 1: three picks in recent years. Oh that's true, hadn't been pretty.
Speaker 1: It's something that Orlando Scandrick was a five. They need
Speaker 1: more like that. Yeah, And that's that's about it. That's
Speaker 1: a big reason for the depth issues right now is
Speaker 1: because they haven't hit on those later round picks, so
Speaker 1: it's something that they need to get better on in
Speaker 1: this draft. But I don't think that means you just
Speaker 1: punt on Day three. I think it means you just
Speaker 1: you try your best to get better at it, you know.
Speaker 1: I will say this if he's concerned about trading back,
Speaker 1: if you're trading back from four, you're getting premium picks.
Speaker 1: You're not getting day three picks. I mean, if they
Speaker 1: were to trade back day two picks fifteen, you're getting
Speaker 1: second and third round picks, right, which I feel entirely
Speaker 1: comfortable letting them use those picks because they've nailed them
Speaker 1: over the last four or five years. Right. I can't
Speaker 1: argue that the you know, five to seven has not
Speaker 1: been pretty these last few years. But we're right, you're
Speaker 1: right about that. What are you gonna do? Okay, Well,
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