WEBVTT - Bug Out Bags! 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:07.240 Also media. 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:11.799 Hello everyone, and welcome to it Could Happen Here, podcast 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:15.720 about the world falling apart and people putting it back together. Today, 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:18.720 I'm lucky to be joined by Margaret Kildury. She is 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:21.560 a host of Live the World Is Dying, a podcast 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:24.400 what feels like the end times, And we are going 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:27.000 to talk about bug out bags, don't me, Margaret. 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:30.319 Woo bug out bags or go bags? Yes? Or I 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:32.519 bet they have other names. Okay, wait, can I tell 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:35.400 you my favorite? Yeah? I hate me Okay. The first 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:38.800 preppers I ever met were these like weird cool anarchists 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:42.320 twenty years ago. They had oh shit gear or OSG 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:46.040 in their basement. I love that. Yeah, that's great. 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:48.760 It's basically what you're talking about, Like, it's the it's 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:50.680 the thing that you go for when things are going 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:51.040 to shit. 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:52.000 Yeah. 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:54.640 Yeah. And I think the reason we're talking about this 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:57.920 right is, ay, because it's entertaining. It's always fun to 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:01.560 engage in hypotheticals. B Because we've got Margaret here, because 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:03.360 she's very nicement on this stuff, and that's what she 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:05.000 covers on the If the World Is Dying. If you 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:06.400 haven't listened to that podcast, you should. 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:07.360 It's very good. 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:13.039 It's got lots of like sensible preparedness focused content. It's 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:15.240 that fair, fair summary, muggret. 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:17.880 I hope. So, yeah, our whole thing is that we're 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:20.120 basically trying to talk about community prep I'm not the 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:22.360 only host in one of three hosts. Yes, we try 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:25.679 to talk about community preparedness rather than individual preparedness, or 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:28.080 rather how the two are not at odds with each other, 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:31.240 like how what's best for the individual is to be 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:34.080 part of a functioning community, and how like the bunker 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:36.640 mentality will get you killed. So one of my favorite 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:40.200 things in the world is talking shit on preparedness done wrong. 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:46.199 And since most of the preparedness space skews at best 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:50.240 center right but also far right, there's lots of it 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:53.160 done wrong that we can talk shit on, Like, for example, 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:55.200 this is me setting. 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:57.920 You up for Yeah, yeah, bug out bags there it is. Yeah, 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:02.160 that's like a layup and a dunk. Be basketball, understand. 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:04.560 It speaking, We're really good at it. Yeah, there's nothing 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:05.800 that we like more than supportsball. 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:09.480 Okay, So the reason we're talking about this today is 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:11.320 because I have spent a lot of time recently in 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:15.280 refugee camps helping out helping people, feeding people, giving them blankets, 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:19.040 playing with their children, doing all the things. And obviously 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:21.560 everyone who who enters these camps comes with a bag, 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:23.440 right they bring a bag with them. They can generally 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:25.360 have one sort of carry on size bag when they 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:28.640 enter custody, and that's generally all you can carry when 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:33.359 you're moving across the desert mountain ranges of Baja California 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:37.240 and Serve in California. And I was spend the day 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:38.720 there and it was cold, and it was wet, it 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:40.560 was miserable, and I was trying to keep people warm, 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:42.840 and I was trying to build shelters all day, and 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:46.680 I was trying to just do things along with my friends. Obviously, 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:48.360 this is by no means a solo effort. It's a 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:50.800 great group of people who you've all heard about if 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:53.600 you listen to this podcast. We've been out there all day. 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:56.360 And then I got back and just because I hadn't 0:02:56.520 --> 0:02:58.720 you know, had a difficult enough day, I logged onto 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:03.000 Twitter dot com, Hex dot com because your day to 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:05.160 get worse, yeah, exactly, I thought, what can I do? 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:07.760 Let's be pissed off at a fucking stranger on the internet. 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:09.840 You don't care about and you've never met, but let 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:12.840 them make you angry anyway, That's what that's what I did. 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:16.480 I loved on, and I loved on promptly to be 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:18.880 greeted by some prick with I guess not your fault. 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:20.680 I suppose it couldn't be a prick whatever, someone someone 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:25.640 who hadn't quite like someone whose idea of preparedness was 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:28.840 heavily influenced by the film Red Dawn and not by reality, 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:33.480 which is like ninety percent of the people in that space. 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:36.840 But this person had, you know, this this kit with 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:41.320 a with a gas mask, with a folding AR fifteen 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:43.680 right with one of those law tactical folding things, so 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:45.560 you can break the buffer tube with. 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:49.400 Seven or eight magazines of ammunition. 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:54.560 Like just like it just the sort of stuff that, yeah, 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:58.720 sure you would need to do like one sustained firefight 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:01.960 and then then are you gonna do? But like, it 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:04.600 just really struck me that the the junctaposition between these 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:08.400 two things that I have seen people have to quote 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:11.000 unquote bug out or oh shit or whatever. I myself 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:13.400 have have had to leave a place where I was 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:16.200 go to a refuge camp for a few days a 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:21.680 few years ago and I've never seen a situation where 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:25.039 a folding assault rifle would be that useful to me. 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:27.120 And I have seen a lot of people who could 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:30.240 really fucking use a sleeping bag or a war coat 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:33.680 or a toy for their child because their child is 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:36.760 crying to bring any toys, you know, And lots of 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:39.680 people don't have any preparedness stuff at all. That's fine, 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:41.640 you know, we'll start somewhere, but like, if you're going 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:43.760 to do this, I want you to do it in 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:45.520 a way that might be useful to you. And so 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:48.440 that is why I have asked Margaret Kiljoy to come 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:48.960 and help me. 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:52.480 And the right and the problem of course with this 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:54.880 scenario that we discussed is that instead of having a 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:58.119 folding ar, they should have a folding AK forty seven 0:04:58.200 --> 0:04:59.960 because then there's no need to break above. 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:04.960 Yeah yeah, and you can scavenge ammunition from the Cubans. 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:07.640 Yeah, I see what you're doing. Great, yeah yeah no. 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:11.080 And although actually, if I was gonna fall deep into 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:12.840 gun stuff and talk about how like people who are 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:14.719 obsessed with AK forty sevens while living in the United 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:18.760 States are also not doing preparedness right because anyway. 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:20.240 Yeah yeah, And actually ak's break all the time. I 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:22.479 have personally seen that happen, and you cannot, in fact 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:23.760 not maintain them at all. 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:27.000 Yeah. No, there's more parts available for a hares. But 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:29.599 the point is that most of the time you don't 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:33.960 need firearms for most crises. Many crises are made worse 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:36.160 by having a firearm. And Okay, so, like a lot 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:38.520 of your background is with refugee stuff, and you've had 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:41.400 to you know, escape to a refugee center and work 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:44.039 in refugee situations all the time. One of my main 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:46.039 backgrounds is that I lived out of a backpack for 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:48.400 a long time when I was a crosspunk, right, I 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:51.560 was a homeless hitchhiker who you know, hopped freight trains 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:54.279 and slept under bridges and things like that. And I 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:55.960 come from more of a position of privilege than a 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:57.440 lot of people who do that. I chose to do 0:05:57.480 --> 0:06:00.440 it as part of an activism lifestyle and stuff, you know. 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:03.280 And so I'm not trying to like get stolen valor here, 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:06.320 but I spend a very long time living outside, and 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:09.160 the people who live outside all the time who have 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:13.000 only a backpack know what goes in the backpack really well. 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:18.080 And you don't see homeless people with guns, and it's 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:20.920 not because they're not legally allowed to have them people. 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:23.440 I mean, well that's part of it in some situations, right, 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:25.359 it's you know, you don't have a safe place of 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:28.400 story and something. It is a lot more complicated, but 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:31.600 like you're even talking about a group of people who 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:35.040 often have to resort to violence to defend themselves and 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:39.080 largely not using firearms to do it, because in most 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:43.640 situations they're more trouble than they're worth. Because someone who's 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:45.599 living outside is going to have to deal with cops 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:47.600 all the time. Someone and this is what you were 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:49.760 talking about when when we were talking about getting ready 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:52.440 for this episode. It's like, well, let's say you have 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:55.359 your your ar and you approach the border. 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:59.240 Yeah, you're getting engaged really fast by like seventy five 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:01.279 border patrol guy guys who have been training their whole 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:03.719 life for this, not saying that they're particularly like a 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:06.200 well trained or a fishing but they have been waiting 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:09.000 for the one person with an assault rifle who they 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:11.840 can fire at for a very long time. 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:15.160 Yeah, And the only purpose of having a firearm is 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:17.120 if it makes you and the people that you care 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:18.600 about more likely to. 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:22.679 Survive, yes, which is doesn't happen if the entire border 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:26.480 patrol is shooting at you, right, that's bad. 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:29.320 That's a worse time. Yeah. No, it's like it's like 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:33.400 I always carried a legal knife, you know. Yeah, like 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:36.600 wherever I was, I have a legal length knife and 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:39.560 that was fine. Yeah. 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:43.040 Fishing, Yeah, look into knife flaws though before you before, 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:45.280 like a knife flows in America almost as complicated as 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:45.880 gun laws. 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:48.600 And you live in California, you can have a cane sword. 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:51.040 Yeah, that's right. But I can open carry a large 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:52.840 machete on my belt as long as I don't attempt 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:56.240 to conceal it. Oh yeah, regularly. 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:59.040 I used to hitchhike with a machete, so yeah. 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:01.679 Yeah, yeah, there are times that I've been doing stuff 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:04.679 with a machete. Yeah, exactly, I needed I was campaign. 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:06.920 I did actually once get a I think that's a 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:09.200 pod ranger of someone like I was coming in from 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:11.040 free diving, and when you free dive, you always have 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:14.000 a knife, because I've experienced this. Actually, when you dive 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:17.880 and you get tangled in fishing nets and your breathold diving, 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:19.120 you need. 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:21.080 To get out so you don't die. Yeah, you have 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:23.520 a knife and you cut yourself out, You're supposed to 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:25.600 have that knife. So yes, yes, I'm supposed to have 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:29.120 that knife. So yeah, you can open carry a knife. 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:31.280 It just depends on the county. You're in California, but 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:35.040 Sandy a good county, Okay. So to talk about bugout bags, though, yes, 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:37.240 what we do want them for is going to be 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:39.880 a different person a person. And what I recommend that 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:43.840 any preparedness minded person or any person I hope more 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:48.040 people become preparedness minded, is to think about the crises 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:50.720 that could happen that are likely, and think about what 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:52.520 you would want and how you would deal with them. 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:56.240 And my argument up front is that this can reduce 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:58.800 anxiety if you do it right, if you fixate on 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:01.640 these things forever. Like a lot of people don't engage 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:03.440 with barness because they don't want to be anxious about it. 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:05.480 They don't want to think about a forest fire. Right. 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:09.080 But if you I've said this before, maybe even on 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:10.680 this show, I'm not sure. It was like when I 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:12.960 lived in a cabin really in the woods, like I 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:14.600 currently live in a house in the woods, but there's 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:17.000 like a little bit of buffer. But I you know, 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:19.360 built a twelve by twelve cabin and like in that, 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:21.840 I cut down two small trees and built a cabin, right, 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:25.240 And so I worried about forest fire, and so I 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:29.760 thought about what to do, which was make sure that 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:31.960 I always had like you know, some sort of radio 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:36.280 and or cell communication available to me, keep a bag 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:38.760 ready with all the stuff I need, keep, make sure 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:40.920 that my car is half a tank of gas. And 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:43.400 that's it. That's all I was going to do to prepare. 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:46.280 There's more you can do, That's all I was going 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:49.720 to do. So I stopped worrying about forest fire, and 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:53.800 so I think, done right, a go bag or a 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:56.960 bug out bag or preparedness in general can reduce their anxiety. 0:09:57.280 --> 0:09:59.440 And the thing that I think people get wrong is 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:04.160 that for mo most people, moving over land by yourself 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:12.200 and surviving in nature is not a likely response to crisis. Yes, 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:15.280 there are some times where that will be true, and 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:17.320 even like you're talking about, like working at you know, 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:18.760 on the border, where people are having to like build 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:21.280 shelters and things like that. But for most people, I 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:23.720 don't even say put a sleeping bag in your go bag, 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:27.400 because size might be more important than that. Yeah, having 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:29.880 other warm stuff and emergency blankets and things like that. 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:35.120 I do absolutely advocate, you know, but then again, I 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:37.120 often make sure that I have a sleeping bag around 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:38.679 because I do live in the middle of the woods, 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:40.280 and if my cars were broken and there was a 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:43.640 bad thing, I would have to go over land ten 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:45.160 miles to get anywhere. You know. 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:48.080 Yeah, because us situation is not the same as evidence, 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:49.040 and I think that's right. 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:52.560 But for most people, I advocate that you think about 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:55.600 your bug out bag as your get out of town 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:58.000 for a weekend bag. It is the you live in 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:01.280 a hurricane area. It is a a blizzard's coming. It 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:03.840 is your stalker X is in town and you don't 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:07.160 want to be around. It is a I decided all 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:08.959 of a sudden, I'm going to go visit my family, 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:12.800 and I don't want to pack, you know, it is 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:17.920 just a it's you're more likely to spend a night 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:21.280 in your car on the road somewhere, like in a blizzard. 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:24.560 Let's say, you know, so, what do you need to 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:27.280 spend the night in the car in your car in 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:30.160 the snow, And the answer is not that much. You 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:34.880 need water and you need warmth. Food is like great, right, yeah, 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:36.439 we can kind of. I mean, you should have a 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:39.520 little bit of snacks to so why not have snacks around? 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:42.439 Yeah, it's in a stressful situation, having something to eat, 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:44.040 it helps, it calms you down, It helps you do 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:45.120 with that stress. 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:49.240 Yeah. And one of the other things that we were 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:52.360 talking about is we're talking about how you know, Okay, 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:56.800 so like the basic level that I advocate, I advocate 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:59.080 actually even more than having like your your bug out 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:02.480 bag is having a smaller pouch that is your emergency 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:05.679 bag and that goes into whatever other backpack or purse 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:07.800 or anything else you're carrying around. And I actually like 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:10.199 make these and distribute them to my friends and stuff. 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:14.200 Oh here's a fun tip. If you're the prepper in 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:16.640 your family or friend group when it comes time to 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:20.600 holiday presence, if you give them preparedness stuff that has 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:24.120 to be on top of whatever else you give them, I. 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:28.120 Guess you can't just give them your weird niche stuff. Yeah, 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:30.079 like you have to give them what they want as 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:31.120 well as the wind. 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:31.880 Up radio, you know. 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:36.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's fair if sad and you can't 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:39.560 just recycle gear that you wanted to try to just 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:41.000 give it to your aunt till sent thing. 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:43.839 I mean, you can you just also give other stuff. 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:48.359 You can just each a bad nissoor nephew or whatever. Yeah, 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:54.920 non binary trying sibling. So I say that these emergency 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:57.800 kits are three different things. They're a hygiene kit because 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:00.120 like the thing that I need the most off and 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:02.520 when I'm suddenly didn't prepare and I'm suddenly somewhere and 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:06.000 I'm staying out late, is like a folding toothbrush, right yeah, 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:09.280 or like some wet wipes in a packet or you know, 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:12.800 I don't know, like nail clippers or something. 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:16.280 Yeah, Like if you I'm a person who used insulin, right, so, 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:18.280 like I have a lot of bags insulin in and 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:20.960 there it's in most of my bags because I'm up 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:22.040 shit Creek without it. 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:23.840 Yeah, it is better to have it, you know. 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:26.839 Yeah, And I'm very lucky to have access to incilin 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.760 and even have some spend what everyone does, because pharmaceutical 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:30.720 industry is terrible. 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:33.000 It is. Yeah, that's actually one of the hardest things 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:36.800 when talking to people about preparedness is like getting more 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:39.800 of your medication is very complicated and a lot of 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:44.079 the methods that people should consider are not legal and 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:45.360 I'm not going to advocate them. 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:47.120 It is legal to buy medicine, I think for your 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:49.360 own personal usage in countries that are not the United 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:50.840 States when you're traveling there anyway. 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:54.800 Yeah, that makes sense. Okay, So you want hygiene, you 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:56.880 want a basic first aid kit, like kind of on 0:13:56.920 --> 0:14:00.080 the like booboo kit level, right, which is as if 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.720 it's not important, but actually, like you just don't want 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:04.839 infections can get real bad. So you just want to 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:06.960 make sure that you have the ability to clean a 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:11.200 small wound and treat it right. And uh, what is it. 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:15.079 It's hygiene, it's medical, and then it's survival stuff. And 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:18.720 for me, this is just like tiniest amounts of One 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:21.200 of the cool things about preparedness is that the little 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:23.560 first things you do are so much more likely to 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:27.760 be useful than the complicated things later, Right, Like having 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:32.400 a big lighter is so much more likely to be 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:36.280 useful than flint and steel and fire starter and all 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:37.560 of the bells and whistles. 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:39.400 Yeah, do you left my flint steel? But you're right, 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:43.160 it is, oh, I exponentially more useful. Like I've been 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:45.440 so look, I've been at the border a week. Right, 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:48.440 people are called it's very windy. I have a flint 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:50.640 steel in my truck. I have used that zero times. 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:53.200 I have gone through an entire eight pack of big lighters. 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:58.360 I've refilled my Zippo twice, given away all my lighters. Yeah, 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:02.240 because yeah, one you'll call in fact, you're not inclined 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:04.800 to start shaving little pieces off a large metal rod. 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:08.920 Yeah, exactly, And like I keep little bits of fire 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:11.640 starter and things like that in these emergency kits. Basically, 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:14.440 anything that is like light and cheap and useful goes 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:17.160 under these kids for me, you know. But the stuff 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:19.960 that I prioritize is stuff like the first lighter is 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:21.760 more useful than the second one, you know. 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:25.520 Yeah, yeah, Margaret, do you know what's probably not like, 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:28.120 certainly not cheap and rarely useful. 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:32.640 Gold? God, that's right yet gold. You've knowed it. But 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:35.080 let's hear about gold. 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:48.280 All right, we're back. 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:50.400 That was an ap something you don't need. 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:52.920 But Margaret was about to pivot, I think, to telling 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:56.240 you some more things that you do need, right, if so, 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:57.320 go ahead, Margaret. 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:00.760 Okay, so tiny little emergency kit put it in everything, 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:03.560 and it's just like it's always useful, and it's like 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:05.680 everyone I give these two is always a little bit like, 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:08.440 oh thanks, And then about a year later they're like, oh, 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:10.680 I was at this protest and someone cut themselves or 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.320 just some really minor strange random thing. They're like, it 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:16.440 always comes up that it's really useful that I have 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:19.440 this tiny little flashlight in a bag always right, yeah, 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:25.280 you know, and and Okay, so there's that. And then 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:28.840 if you want, you could have a designated bug out 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:30.640 bag and you keep it in the front closet, or 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:32.280 you keep it under your bed, or you keep it 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:34.600 wherever is like kind of useful to you. Some people 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:36.400 might keep them in their vehicles. That really depends on 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:38.560 where you live. I wouldn't necessarily advocate it in a 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:41.240 lot of places because vehicles are more broken into and 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:44.320 also have more temperature fluctuations, and things like advil and 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:47.120 like over the counter medications aren't like they don't do 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:52.320 so great with like wild temperature fluctuations. Okay, so you 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:55.480 get yourself a bag, and what kind of bag really 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:57.960 depends on what you're talking about. Like we were showing 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:01.480 each other our bags before it. Yeah, that's what this 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:05.680 a little insight into our interactions off mic there. Yeah, 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:09.080 and I'll describe mine, then you describe yours, okay, and 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:11.640 I'll describe mine. You describe yours, and then say why 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:13.720 you have it, and then I'll say I have mine. Okay, 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:16.920 you got that. I basically have like a regular day 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:21.360 pack computer bag. It just there's no waist belt. It's 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:24.480 just it's designed hole the laptop. That's my bug out bag. 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:29.639 What I have is say it's a thirty two liter bag. 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:32.679 It's called a scree thirty two for those of you 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:35.560 who want to be just like me. And I have 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:38.920 it because I really like the carriage system. Mystery round 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:41.840 us is just like a yoke, so it carries like 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:43.560 a frame backpack, but it isn't big and bulky. 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:46.800 Yeah, and that's cool. I've used it, Like I think 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:48.320 I've used this bag on every continent in the world 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:50.000 apart from the Antarctic. Like, it's just. 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:52.399 A bag that I can put stuff in that is 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:55.879 a size that it's not obnoxious, and it works for 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:58.280 me for almost everything. I day hike with it, I 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:00.480 go on urban nights with it. I use it with 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:03.840 my carry on on the plane. Yeah, it's just a 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:08.359 useful bag that is not covered in molly and multi caam. 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:11.520 And such things. Yeah, and I know it works for me, 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:14.040 Like I've used it for a long time, and I 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:17.000 know that it's suitable for my body with heavyweights. Yeah no, 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:20.680 And like I love I love bags, and I will 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:22.720 happily geek out about bags, and like that bag is 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:24.960 a me too. It's pretty nice. And this is like 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:28.080 my least favorite backpack, right, I have like other backpacks, 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:30.360 Like my day hiking bag is like a twenty five 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:33.840 liter you know, actually has a waste strap, and I 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:36.520 like really like it, but I keep it packed with 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:41.359 my day hiking stuff, you know. And so you do 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:45.600 a lot of outdoor sports, yes, yeah, yeah, and so 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:48.640 it really easily doubles as all of that, right. 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:52.879 Yeah, exactly, Like I'm you know, most weekends, you know, 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:54.600 I try and sleep outside at least. 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:57.440 Once a month. So yeah, you know, I just sort 0:18:57.440 --> 0:18:59.560 of have that stuff anyway because it's part of my 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:03.800 day to day life. And mine is designed from the 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:07.000 period of my life where I basically would go to 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:10.000 whatever anarchist coffee shop was in whatever town and just 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:12.679 hang out there and work all day, right yeah, and 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:14.720 so like and I was like, and I used to 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:16.880 have a bug out bag that was like a little 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:18.720 bit bigger. It was like a tactical bag. It was 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:21.560 a three day assault pack, you know, and yeah, perfect, 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:23.200 And to be fair, I lived in a cabin in 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:25.040 the woods and it was twenty twenty in the odds 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:31.439