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Speaker 1: Also media.

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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, and welcome to it Could Happen Here, podcast

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Speaker 2: about the world falling apart and people putting it back together. Today,

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Speaker 2: I'm lucky to be joined by Margaret Kildury. She is

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Speaker 2: a host of Live the World Is Dying, a podcast

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Speaker 2: what feels like the end times, And we are going

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Speaker 2: to talk about bug out bags, don't me, Margaret.

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Speaker 1: Woo bug out bags or go bags? Yes? Or I

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Speaker 1: bet they have other names. Okay, wait, can I tell

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Speaker 1: you my favorite? Yeah? I hate me Okay. The first

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Speaker 1: preppers I ever met were these like weird cool anarchists

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Speaker 1: twenty years ago. They had oh shit gear or OSG

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Speaker 1: in their basement. I love that. Yeah, that's great.

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Speaker 2: It's basically what you're talking about, Like, it's the it's

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Speaker 2: the thing that you go for when things are going

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Speaker 2: to shit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think the reason we're talking about this

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Speaker 2: right is, ay, because it's entertaining. It's always fun to

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Speaker 2: engage in hypotheticals. B Because we've got Margaret here, because

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Speaker 2: she's very nicement on this stuff, and that's what she

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Speaker 2: covers on the If the World Is Dying. If you

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Speaker 2: haven't listened to that podcast, you should.

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Speaker 1: It's very good.

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Speaker 2: It's got lots of like sensible preparedness focused content. It's

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Speaker 2: that fair, fair summary, muggret.

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Speaker 1: I hope. So, yeah, our whole thing is that we're

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Speaker 1: basically trying to talk about community prep I'm not the

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Speaker 1: only host in one of three hosts. Yes, we try

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Speaker 1: to talk about community preparedness rather than individual preparedness, or

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Speaker 1: rather how the two are not at odds with each other,

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Speaker 1: like how what's best for the individual is to be

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Speaker 1: part of a functioning community, and how like the bunker

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Speaker 1: mentality will get you killed. So one of my favorite

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Speaker 1: things in the world is talking shit on preparedness done wrong.

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Speaker 1: And since most of the preparedness space skews at best

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Speaker 1: center right but also far right, there's lots of it

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Speaker 1: done wrong that we can talk shit on, Like, for example,

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Speaker 1: this is me setting.

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Speaker 2: You up for Yeah, yeah, bug out bags there it is. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's like a layup and a dunk. Be basketball, understand.

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Speaker 1: It speaking, We're really good at it. Yeah, there's nothing

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Speaker 1: that we like more than supportsball.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So the reason we're talking about this today is

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Speaker 2: because I have spent a lot of time recently in

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Speaker 2: refugee camps helping out helping people, feeding people, giving them blankets,

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Speaker 2: playing with their children, doing all the things. And obviously

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Speaker 2: everyone who who enters these camps comes with a bag,

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Speaker 2: right they bring a bag with them. They can generally

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Speaker 2: have one sort of carry on size bag when they

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Speaker 2: enter custody, and that's generally all you can carry when

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Speaker 2: you're moving across the desert mountain ranges of Baja California

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Speaker 2: and Serve in California. And I was spend the day

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Speaker 2: there and it was cold, and it was wet, it

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Speaker 2: was miserable, and I was trying to keep people warm,

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Speaker 2: and I was trying to build shelters all day, and

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Speaker 2: I was trying to just do things along with my friends. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: this is by no means a solo effort. It's a

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Speaker 2: great group of people who you've all heard about if

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Speaker 2: you listen to this podcast. We've been out there all day.

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Speaker 2: And then I got back and just because I hadn't

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Speaker 2: you know, had a difficult enough day, I logged onto

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Speaker 2: Twitter dot com, Hex dot com because your day to

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Speaker 2: get worse, yeah, exactly, I thought, what can I do?

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Speaker 2: Let's be pissed off at a fucking stranger on the internet.

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Speaker 2: You don't care about and you've never met, but let

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Speaker 2: them make you angry anyway, That's what that's what I did.

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Speaker 2: I loved on, and I loved on promptly to be

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Speaker 2: greeted by some prick with I guess not your fault.

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Speaker 2: I suppose it couldn't be a prick whatever, someone someone

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Speaker 2: who hadn't quite like someone whose idea of preparedness was

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Speaker 2: heavily influenced by the film Red Dawn and not by reality,

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Speaker 2: which is like ninety percent of the people in that space.

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Speaker 2: But this person had, you know, this this kit with

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Speaker 2: a with a gas mask, with a folding AR fifteen

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Speaker 2: right with one of those law tactical folding things, so

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Speaker 1: Seven or eight magazines of ammunition.

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Speaker 2: Like just like it just the sort of stuff that, yeah,

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Speaker 2: sure you would need to do like one sustained firefight

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Speaker 2: people don't have any preparedness stuff at all. That's fine,

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Speaker 2: you know, we'll start somewhere, but like, if you're going

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Speaker 2: that is why I have asked Margaret Kiljoy to come

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Speaker 2: and help me.

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Speaker 1: And the right and the problem of course with this

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and you can scavenge ammunition from the Cubans.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I see what you're doing. Great, yeah yeah no.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, there's more parts available for a hares. But

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Speaker 1: the point is that most of the time you don't

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Speaker 1: And so I'm not trying to like get stolen valor here,

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Speaker 1: for this episode. It's like, well, let's say you have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're getting engaged really fast by like seventy five

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And the only purpose of having a firearm is

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Speaker 2: Survive, yes, which is doesn't happen if the entire border

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Speaker 2: patrol is shooting at you, right, that's bad.

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Speaker 1: That's a worse time. Yeah. No, it's like it's like

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Speaker 1: I always carried a legal knife, you know. Yeah, like

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Speaker 1: that was fine. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Fishing, Yeah, look into knife flaws though before you before,

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Speaker 1: And you live in California, you can have a cane sword.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. But I can open carry a large

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Speaker 1: Sandy a good county, Okay. So to talk about bugout bags, though, yes,

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Speaker 1: And my argument up front is that this can reduce

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Speaker 1: They don't want to think about a forest fire. Right.

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Speaker 1: But if you I've said this before, maybe even on

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Speaker 1: that's it. That's all I was going to do to prepare.

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Speaker 1: There's more you can do, That's all I was going

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Speaker 1: so I think, done right, a go bag or a

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Speaker 1: bug out bag or preparedness in general can reduce their anxiety.

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Speaker 1: And the thing that I think people get wrong is

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Speaker 1: and surviving in nature is not a likely response to crisis. Yes,

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Speaker 1: sure there's other stuff that you would Yeah.

435
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 2: I mean, this is just making me think of I

436
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 2: ran into a guy the other day who had come

437
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,399
Speaker 2: to the US with his dog or a patrol wouldn't

438
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 2: process him alongside his dog, so volunteers kind of looked

439
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 2: after his dog while he was protested, and then returned

440
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 2: to his dog to him. Yeah, but now he's going

441
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 2: to have to go through the process of certifying the

442
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 2: dog's vaccinations. Maybe the dog will have to get them again. Luckily,

443
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 2: he and the dog are on a road trip to

444
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,400
Speaker 2: their final home or the place where they want to live,

445
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,240
Speaker 2: where they're meeting up with friends and families, so that

446
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,679
Speaker 2: they're having a great trip across the country right now.

447
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 1: Yah.

448
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:48,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that just having easing that transition through bureaucracy by

449
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,160
Speaker 2: having those documents to hand, I'm sure would have been great.

450
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,159
Speaker 1: Yeah. And like, honestly, the more I read about people

451
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,919
Speaker 1: dealing with refugee crisis and like, oh, I don't know

452
00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 1: the right to return various places, the more you can

453
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 1: prove like the ownership of the stuff you own and

454
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 1: things like that, Yes, it can be very easy to.

455
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 2: Become Like I understand that lots of the bureocracy exists

456
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 2: to make people legible and therefore taxable by the state. Right,

457
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,919
Speaker 2: if we're talking from an anarchist perspective, I understand why

458
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 2: it exists. I've been reading James Scott a lot recently.

459
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 2: If that hasn't fair enough there, but I in a

460
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,119
Speaker 2: scenario where the state exists, which is the one we

461
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,159
Speaker 2: are in. Then there are advantages to being legible and

462
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 2: then distendable by the state, and certain disadvantages to being

463
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 2: eligible to the state when you're trying to get your

464
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 2: house back and even like.

465
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 1: Again my time as a crusty traveler my twenties and

466
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 1: into my thirties, the single most useful thing that I

467
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 1: carried was my driver's license without warrants because I used

468
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 1: to have my idea run every single day. Because actually

469
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,919
Speaker 1: it's actually part of the reason I have a stranger

470
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 1: version to carry in a hiking style backpack around often

471
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: is because I learned when you look like a punk

472
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: and you have a travel like a hiking backpack, you

473
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: are now the cops main target. Yes, yeah, yeah yeah,

474
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 1: and so like whereas when I have like a computer bag,

475
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 1: I'm not the cops main target, and that makes my

476
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 1: life easier. You know. Okay, small amounts of emergency food

477
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,160
Speaker 1: such as protein bars that you want to like swap

478
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 1: out every couple of months. I recommend putting in the

479
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 1: ones that you don't like because otherwise you'll eat them,

480
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 1: because otherwise you'll be like, oh I could go tasty snack.

481
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, this is sorry. Just before we recorded a

482
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 1: bar from this bag that I've been showing you. Yeah.

483
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a product called a Humanitarian Daily Ration, which

484
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 2: is a vegan emory that they give to refugees.

485
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Yeah, there's great. Everyone can eat them.

486
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, They're very good to have, And I have those

487
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 2: for emergency food because if one can eat them, ready,

488
00:23:58,600 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 2: do I feel like I want to eat them?

489
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: So? Yeah, I've been recently keeping I haven't eaten one yet.

490
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,679
Speaker 1: I've been keeping these flavorless emergency ration bars, like the

491
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,199
Speaker 1: lifeboat rations. Yeah, they're just like I think, like oil

492
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: and sugar and flour or something, oh towns. Yeah, and

493
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: it's like, you know what, it's three days worth of

494
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: food at twelve hundred calories a day. Barely three days,

495
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 1: but whatever. Yeah, okay, So I recommend having that and

496
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:30,199
Speaker 1: you know, making sure to swap that out. Overall, I

497
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: advocate not putting in things that will go bad, because

498
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: you are going to forget about this until it becomes

499
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: a habit for you to check it every month or so. Yeah. Okay.

500
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 1: A travel hygiene kit with toothbrush, floss, toothpaste, moist toilettes, foam,

501
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 1: earplugs for sleeping in noisy environments that one is like

502
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: way more.

503
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I am. And it's a time in

504
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 2: my life when I was mostly living in my car,

505
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 2: traveling around France racing bicycles. I got caught in a

506
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 2: snowstorm along with a number of other people who would

507
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 2: travel in various vehicles, and some of them were traveling

508
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 2: in order to make an asylum claim, and we all

509
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 2: got to this refugee camp where basically we're sleeping on

510
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 2: the floor of a large building and I did not

511
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 2: sleep for days because people had children and you know,

512
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 2: it's loud, and like, yeah, those air plugs would have

513
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 2: been the most important thing.

514
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. And it was like I actually started carrying

515
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: them just because of going to shows when I used

516
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: to do that more. And then I was like, oh,

517
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 1: these are really useful in all kinds of situations. They

518
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: cost like nothing, and the savior hearing the bang for

519
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 1: your buck, the non bang for your buck is very good. Yeah,

520
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: the buck is great. Nail clippers, your daily wear, makeup,

521
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 1: and anything else you might need goes in your hygiene kit.

522
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: Any prescription or over the counter medications that you rely on.

523
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 1: And one thing that came up from a doctor friend

524
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: of mine recommended. When I was first started making these

525
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: kids for my friends, I was like buying bulk aspirin

526
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 1: and putting it into little drug baggies, you know, yeah smart.

527
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: And my friend was like, you need to put blister

528
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: packs in instead blister packs being the like little yeah,

529
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: individually individually labeled ones. Yeah. Yeah, to explain this thing, Yeah, yeah,

530
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: we're professionals because the police have less cause for suspicion

531
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: if you are searched. And this is clearly advil, it says,

532
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: so it is packaged in a way that is not

533
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: convenient for people to make their own packages and so

534
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: and actually it's funny is that of all the ones

535
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: that I put into people's things, the only thing I

536
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: haven't been able to get blister packed is caffeine. Because

537
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 1: I put caffeine into these things because a lot of

538
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: people are addicted to it, and also because it's useful

539
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: to be able to stay awake in certain environments. And

540
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: so I actually put in like different like caffeine powder

541
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: drinks or caffeine gum or other things. Yes, yeah, it's

542
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: going to say, get MRI caffeine gum. Yeah. And then

543
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: also and I give them to my friends who are

544
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 1: about to drive sleepy is like, yes, and that's the

545
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: main use that I have had. It's amazing I don't

546
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: drink caffeine. It's amazing how much caffeine I have on

547
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 1: me at any given time. Yeah, a change of socks

548
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: and underwear, and these should be like climate appropriate, especially

549
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: like wool socks are like the most useful thing in

550
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 1: the world. Just as a general rule, I think that

551
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: a packable rain jacket and or poncho is incredibly useful here.

552
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: A lot of people like the ponchos that are sort

553
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: of a slightly more military style because you can use

554
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: them as a tarp and make a shelter if you need.

555
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: That might be overkill for your particular environment. You might

556
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: also just have like your hiking rain jacket that goes

557
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 1: in there. A puffy packable warm top is a little

558
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: bit of a like bonus item. It's I think having

559
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: a warm upper layer is really important for a lot

560
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: of it's until you've slept outside without a sleeping bag,

561
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 1: you have no idea how cold it is in the

562
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: summer to sleep outside. Yeah, on the ground, especially whenever

563
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 1: I'm watching movies or really books, and like the kid

564
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: runs away from home, or they're like on that and

565
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 1: they go and they sleep in the woods. I'm like,

566
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: the fuck they did if they didn't sleep that night?

567
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 3: Yeah?

568
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, you lie on your side, holding yourself, wondering what

569
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:11,959
Speaker 2: you made these choices in life.

570
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

571
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I might add that if you're going to have

572
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 2: a specific like a puffy jacket for this, and you

573
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 2: don't own a puffy jacket, Yeah, a couple of things

574
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 2: to consider that Germany compressing down will help make it

575
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 2: lose some of its loft, so it will be less lofty. Yeah,

576
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 2: So you don't want to keep that stuff compressed for

577
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 2: a very long time or super compressed, right, don't cram

578
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 2: it into the smallest ball. Remember that when you buy

579
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 2: down jackets or the baffles which are the sewing lines

580
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: across it, like, those are areas that are not insulated, right,

581
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 2: So you don't actually want the ones with the with

582
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 2: one hundred little baffles going down them.

583
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, that makes sense.

584
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then synthetic insulation does a lot better with

585
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 2: with with with wetness.

586
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: It retains some of its insulating properties. And my final

587
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: thing with down jackets, I think a lot about down jackets,

588
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, is get one that is a size bigger

589
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: than you would normally get for like, oh yeah, because

590
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: you don't.

591
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: Really want to be taking stuff off when you're cold.

592
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: You want a jacket that you can just put on

593
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 2: over all your stuff. We call it a ballet parker

594
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 2: in a sort of mountaineering community. But it's like a

595
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 2: static thing, right, So you're hiking your mount to climbing,

596
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 2: you stop, you immediately check that thing on over everything

597
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: that keeps you warm until you start moving again.

598
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: That makes sense to me. I advocate personally. I advocate

599
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: for synthetic. I advocate because it's cheaper, you can leave

600
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: it compressed, and because it insulates better in the wet

601
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: and it is much heavier for its and larger for

602
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: its insulating value. But for me, like having spent a

603
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: lot of my life like sleeping and sleeping bags with

604
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: no tarp or whatever and just being like I'll just

605
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: fucking deal whether it's not raining that hard, you know.

606
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah totally, Like I have fucked some really

607
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 2: expensive downsleeping bags, even the oil on your skin, and

608
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 2: will actually eventually closet that down to Yeah, like that

609
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 2: you really have to baby some ultra light down stuff,

610
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: which is fine, Like if I'm mountaineering. If I'm not

611
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: that i will baby my bag because I don't want

612
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 2: to carry extra shit.

613
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: But this is not that exactly. Like if you are

614
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,959
Speaker 1: trying to do a through hike, you might look at

615
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: this very differently. And there's a version of the world

616
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: where your crisis might involve moving over the mountains in

617
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: winter to get out of a country that has just

618
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: elected a fascist who says that he wants to kill

619
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: all the communists or whatever. Yeah, I've spoken to those people. Yeah,

620
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: and so like in that situation, get the mountaineer and shit,

621
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, okay. Other stuff to have in

622
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: this bag a heavy duty trash bag. You can put

623
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: all your stuff in it to keep it dry. Yeah. Yeah,

624
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: there's like all these like arguments about how to keep

625
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: your bag dry and overall. And I'm curious if this

626
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: has been your experience. People have been moving away from

627
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: like pack cover where you cover the pack and instead

628
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: just put everything inside the pack into something that's waterproof.

629
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I've done for a very long time.

630
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 2: You can spend a lot of money on stuff sacks

631
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 2: like the event ones that see to some make a

632
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 2: cool because they have a one way breathable fabric, so

633
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 2: you squeeze them and the egg goes out rules it

634
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 2: doesn't go back in. It's pretty cool, but then you

635
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 2: end up with these really hard bricks of clothing or

636
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: whatever that like you can't kind of make them fill

637
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 2: the space, right, They just end up being like solid,

638
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: so sometimes they don't pack as well.

639
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

640
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 2: I have used three milimeter contract grade bin bags for

641
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 2: years the mountain into the deserts. You can sleep in them.

642
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 2: You can make them into a poncho, you can fill

643
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 2: them with brush and make them into a sleeping pad.

644
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, great items, and it's sketchy, but a lot of

645
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: people who are stuck living outside in very cold environments

646
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: will wear them close to their skin for like a

647
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: really intensely heating insulating layer. But it's sketchy because then

648
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: you sweat like hell and you can freeze it stuf

649
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: if you really careful. That's some like that's some life

650
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: or death ship. Yeah exactly. I'm not telling you how

651
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: to do that on air here, you know.

652
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Google, But yeah, they have a lot of usage

653
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 2: you to gather water too, I've done that before.

654
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: Oh that makes sense. Cash cash is really useful. The

655
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: amount of cash you want to carry has to do

656
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: with the amount of cash that you're willing to put

657
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: into a bag that just sits there for it does nothing,

658
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, gold of course, yeah, totally. Uh have

659
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: so many thoughts about Golden Air. Yeah yeah, yeah. Anyway,

660
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: that's beside the point. That's where home prepping. Okay, you

661
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: want to spare USB battery and charging cables, I would

662
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: advocate an octopus cable that has like mini USB c

663
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: and lightning charger all on one cable so you don't

664
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: have to keep track of multiple cables for multiple devices. Yeah.

665
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: Right right here, I'm trying to look what the brand

666
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 2: is of mine, because I got one recently. When I'm

667
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 2: working in places that are conflict zones to suspect places

668
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 2: where I think I might have to go like peace

669
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 2: out to a bomb shelter for a few hours, days whatever,

670
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 2: I like to have a little pouch with all my

671
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 2: charging and medical and essential stuff.

672
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. This is called a leave a cable, and I

673
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,479
Speaker 1: found it to be very handy, okay, because it's like

674
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: stiff and it doesn't cables get twisted and frayed a lot, okay,

675
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: doesn't do that. Yeah, Little Buzz Marketing for you there. Yeah,

676
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: now I'm going to look into those later because I

677
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: as much as I'm like, oh fuck all the gadgets,

678
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: know what I'm trying to say, you don't need all

679
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: the gadgets, but they're kind of cool and like, and

680
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: the size of extra battery you have is depending on

681
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: what you're doing. You know, like, if you're reasonably sure

682
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna be around power, just have a little one

683
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: and because like, you know what, you're gonna be the

684
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: one who saves the night when everyone's drunk at the

685
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: bar and someone's phone is dead and they're the only

686
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: person who has uber set up right, and you know, yeah,

687
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: Like I've been trying to advocate that per snacks are

688
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: the best example of prepping and that everything that like

689
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: men are trying to do is like catching up the

690
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: fact that like women are actually culturally in our society

691
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: like better prep in. Yeah, but okay, I put a

692
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: miler emergency blanket in. These are these like you know,

693
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: they seem almost gimmicky. They are these incredibly light little

694
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: plastic tarps.

695
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 2: Right.

696
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: One probably saved my life when I was thirty, like

697
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: on my like twelfth or thirteenth birthday, when I like

698
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: woke up getting hypothermia five miles from the road in

699
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: a wet tent. So I'm just like, yeah, no, eyes

700
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: are great, Like, yeah, they're great.

701
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 2: They that you can do a hypothermia wrap with them,

702
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 2: use them for signing if you're in a different kind

703
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 2: of situation. We can't use them in the refugee counts

704
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 2: and working because one of them floated into a transformer

705
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 2: and that oh wow that Yeah, so yeah, that's your

706
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 2: that's your caveat there doing some around high voltage power.

707
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's things you're not going to get anything

708
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 2: warmer for that size. It's the size of a couple

709
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 2: of credit cards stacked on top of each other.

710
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. And like in mind, I have like a

711
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: slightly nicer one because I don't have a sleeping bag.

712
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: In mind, I have like an emergency bag sleeping bag.

713
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: I've never used it. I don't.

714
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the like there's a company called Survive Outdoors,

715
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 2: like funk. I'm saying a lot of companies today by

716
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: autu you have a shit you want, I don't care.

717
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 2: There's company called Survive Outdoors Longer that makes one that's

718
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 2: like about the size of a beer can.

719
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's yeah, I think, yeah, those are great. Yeah,

720
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: I've sucked up at night one of those when I

721
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: was doing like the like look how ultra light I

722
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: could be stuff. It's not great, but like, but here

723
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: you are recording here, I am not defintely with my

724
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: full set of digits, so like I can't really complain,

725
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, exactly. And those things won't float off

726
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: into a power transform. They're a bit heavier. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no,

727
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: that would be yeah, it would be an advantage of it.

728
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: Uh yeah. And on the other side, so again, people

729
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: will see you, right, which a contrary to what you

730
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 1: might have seen on YouTube. You want people to see

731
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: you most of the time. Most crises you're going to encounter,

732
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: you're not going to be hiding. Right. Sometimes when you're

733
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: like hitchhiking and shit, you do have to not be seen.

734
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: And then I get really noticing how bright all the

735
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: tents are, and so I kind of want one of

736
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: the new bullshit Camo ultra light tents. But yeah, that's

737
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 1: I don't hitchhike. I have a fucking truck. It's bullshit.

738
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: I'm fine a full water bottle. I think it's always

739
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,959
Speaker 1: worth having a full water bottle in your in your bag.

740
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: This is the heaviest thing in your bag. Water is

741
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: just fucking wonderful and you need way more of it

742
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 1: than you think you do when you're exerting yourself. I

743
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: have been historically advocating a single wall steel canteen so

744
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: that the water can be boiled in an emergency directly

745
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: in it. But a lot of people have a preference

746
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: for lighter weight and that makes a lot of sense.

747
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: And also even having something that just looks a little

748
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: bit more civilian also makes a lot of sense. The

749
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 1: Ultra light I actually think the Ultra Lighters might be

750
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: right on this one. And they use the to use

751
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: a brand name. They all get those smart waters, but

752
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: then they don't keep drinking smart water. They drink one

753
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: and then they clean it and refill the bottle with

754
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: tap water.

755
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, we say the Sawyer filter fits on top of it,

756
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 2: which is very handy, right.

757
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

758
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 2: The thing I do like about a single walls Chaine bottle.

759
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 2: A the smart water bottles, you fill them up and

760
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 2: then they freeze. They can break right and B I

761
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 2: like to do like the analoge and baby, you know

762
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: where you you boil some water put it in that

763
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 2: thing and you are cold, that comes into bed with you.

764
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very pleasant experience. Yeah, no, that that makes

765
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: sense to me. I don't know what happened to full

766
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: water full full steel water bottle. Someone on the head

767
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 1: with it. Yeah, they're not coming back from that. Even

768
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: the guy with the folding ar, he's not getting up.

769
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: You give him a couple with the well. And if

770
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: we're going for cross punk, I also recommend a lack

771
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: attached to a chain. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, well just

772
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: so if you have a bicycle. True, that's true. Yeah, yeah,

773
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: areas of our interest. Yeah, okay, A but tane, lighter,

774
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: a bit lighter, an emergency whistle. This is the most Like.

775
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: I was at a firearms training and we were talking

776
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: about a bunch of stuff and people were like, all right,

777
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: and this is how you like signal the following, you know,

778
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: like like range clear kind of stuff, like use a whistle,

779
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. And everyone's like, I didn't bring

780
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: a whistle. I'm like I got three in my bag,

781
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: Like what are you doing? Yeah, amateurs, Yeah, if they're

782
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: light and cheap and useful, Like the number of people

783
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: who wouldn't have died in the woods because if they

784
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: had a whistle, like more than anything else. Because people

785
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: think that the solution to our problems is fix it yourself.

786
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: Usually the solution to problems is get help.

787
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, and that's a great Like you're going

788
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 2: to use a lot of energy whistlingly shouting. Yeah, and

789
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: most if hiking backpacks will have a chest buckle that

790
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 2: is also a whistle, and if they don't, you can

791
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 2: probably change it.

792
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that rules. That's the kind of shit I

793
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: like to see. Yeah, it's well thought out, it's cover. Yeah,

794
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: we love it. And when I when I lived on

795
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: a LAMB project, I made everyone put the hurricane whistles

796
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: by their door so that like we didn't always have

797
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: a good cell reception or what of her, and so

798
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 1: that there's an emergency, we can everyone has a whistle

799
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: loud enough to be heard by everyone else on the

800
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: large product. Oh yeah, you know spot. Yeah, it's a

801
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: lot less money than a ham radio, which is something

802
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: I've been right and like I'm not anti having like

803
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 1: you know, good walkie talkies and stuff, but yeah, yeah,

804
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: sometimes you're just like, no I have I have a

805
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: hurricane whistle or even I just have a regular whistle. Okay,

806
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: a folding knife. You print them? What's that? You could

807
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: three D print them? Pretty good ones. Oh that's cool,

808
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: like three to printing me give them out, now, that's cool,

809
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: that's awesome. I keep a folding knife in these bags.

810
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: I also usually just have one on me. But and

811
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: you know, the least weapon looking knife you can get

812
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: is going to be a bang for your buck in

813
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: terms of like being able to go with you lots

814
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: of places. Obviously this isn't going to your carry on luggage. Yeah,

815
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: A rechargeable headlamp or flashlight, and then a basic first

816
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: aid kit. That's my you know, there's a there's all

817
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: kinds of other stuff. If you're going to be hiking,

818
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: if you're and if I know I'm going to be

819
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: like in a lot of situations, one of the first

820
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: things I would add as a tarp and a sleeping bag.

821
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: That would be like, yeah, the next things to go

822
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: in sleeping bags are pretty big. Yeah.

823
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 2: I generally have that stuff in a general sense, both

824
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 2: for doing this and for generally enjoying outdoors stuff. It

825
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 2: really helps if you can have your shit organized in

826
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 2: stuff sacks and labeled so that you know if if

827
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 2: you should you need to leave your house in an emergency, right,

828
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 2: it's going to be more comfortable if you have a

829
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 2: sleeping bag and inflatable pillow and at top you can

830
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 2: grab them in ten seconds if you've got them labeled right,

831
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 2: and it's this will also help you.

832
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: Like I like to camp. The worst part about camping

833
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: is packing.

834
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: So if I have all my stuff, I can just

835
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 2: be like, Okay, I've got a sleep system, I got

836
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 2: to cook e system.

837
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty four hours of food. I'm ready to rumble.

838
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: Yeah no, it makes sense. But you know what who

839
00:40:54,120 --> 00:41:01,240
Speaker 1: else is ready to rumble? Oh? Yeah yeah, they're ready

840
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 1: to fight at all times. Yep, here's an ad for fighting.

841
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: We're back and we've now learned to fight thanks to

842
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: the adverts. Yeah yeah, so Tye bj J. Actually that's

843
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: it's fun. Yeah yeah, that's that's it's cool.

844
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 2: Kraft Maga Yeah yeah yeah, the.

845
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: The Reagan Gold of martial arts. Yeah okay, so what

846
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: do you Okay, So I have other stuff that I

847
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: keep in my ad my bag that is like more

848
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: fun or I think incredibly useful, but not in the

849
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: like dead basics that I keep. But what else do

850
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: you keep. Do you have any like fun stuff or

851
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: other stuff that I didn't mention, Yeah, a couple of

852
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: other things. I think. One of the things I use

853
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: the most.

854
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 2: This is my little bag that I have if I

855
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 2: you have to go to area, shelter or certain thing.

856
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: It's very very small. It's like I don't know, Uh,

857
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: it's the size of a small paper book. Is would

858
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: go into a bigger bag.

859
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 2: But one of the things that I use, I take

860
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: on trips with me and I use everywhere I go.

861
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 2: And this is like a quarter inch bit driver. Oh nice, Yeah,

862
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: and it spins, It spins, and it's just a tiny

863
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 2: screw driver where you can change the bits.

864
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I have a set of bits. Ye.

865
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 2: So like I use this bad boy all the time. Right,

866
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: I use it when I get water in my podcast equipment,

867
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: which is a thing that I am wont to do.

868
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: Uh, you have to.

869
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 2: This is my this is my this is my laddism. Right,

870
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: I'm breaking the frame of big podcast.

871
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: You keep a sledgehammer specifically for breaking frames?

872
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, machine frames if you run out, Yes, Yeah, it's

873
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 2: one thing I fucking hate. It's a weaving machine and

874
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 2: I take them down whenever I can, but this this

875
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 2: guy is really useful, right Like you know, you could

876
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 2: be staying with you could be.

877
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: There are a million things right there. Your bed in

878
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: your hotel is loose and you need to tighten it.

879
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 2: You need to take a part of your podcasting machine.

880
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 2: There is you know that there's something wrong with your phone.

881
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 2: Whatever it is like a screwdriver and a few little bits,

882
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 2: super handy. You want to help your friend put together

883
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 2: some my kea furniture, not a problem. So it's very

884
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 2: very small. It's you know, the size of pretty the

885
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 2: size of a cigarette and then the sort of bits

886
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 2: and the size of another cigarette. Very easy to carry

887
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 2: around with you everywhere. I am an appreciator of sporks.

888
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: Oh that's on my That was on my follow up list.

889
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 2: Tooh excellent good. Yeah, I'm a person who thinks about

890
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,280
Speaker 2: sporks a lot. You guys can read my sport reviews

891
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 2: at backpacking dot com if you want to.

892
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's not a joke. It's just a reflection

893
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: on the sad person I am. So yeah, Okay, are

894
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,280
Speaker 1: you a long handled spork or regular spork?

895
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 2: See the long handled spook is nice for when you're

896
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 2: going into an m e type meal. How often you

897
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 2: go to no mo re type meal compared to like

898
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 2: the pocketability of a normal spork Right now, that makes

899
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,439
Speaker 2: sense to me. Yeah, the MR spoon is the best

900
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 2: bargain eating device. It weighs six grams, which is less

901
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 2: than a titanium spork. Okay, you can dip into hot water.

902
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 2: It doesn't melt, it doesn't break like a like a

903
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 2: traditional plastic like. It's not like a fast food plastic spoon.

904
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 2: It's its best bang feed back when it comes to spoons.

905
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: Okay. And when I asked shape when I was, when

906
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: I was more of a crosspunk, Yeah, always on my

907
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: waist belt was a titanium spork with a P thirty

908
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: eight can opener key chain to it. Yes, because no

909
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 1: matter what I could get into a can of Amy's chili.

910
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: It's the amount of people I've seen.

911
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: And I took camping a lot. Sometimes I'll go with

912
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: my trucks, sometimes I go by myself on my feet.

913
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 2: The amount of humans I've seen with very expensive overlanding setups,

914
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 2: trying to open a can of food on a rock,

915
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 2: It's a lot of humans. Yeah, I can opener is

916
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:02,399
Speaker 2: a very handy thing.

917
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,919
Speaker 1: No and the P thirty eight or P fifty ones.

918
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 1: These are the tiny military ones. They weigh nothing. They're

919
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: like ten of them would fit on a credit card,

920
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have six my truck.

921
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: But yeah they're very small. Yeah.

922
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 2: Tens of other things I do, like zip ties, ziptize,

923
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 2: very small, very handy. Yeah, you can always fix it

924
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 2: with zip tize. I'm just looking at this bag in

925
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 2: front of me and thinking what else I have.

926
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: That's remarkable. I save the day with ziptize when when

927
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: I was driving in the woods with my friend when

928
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: some part of her exhaust system fell off of her van,

929
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: and oh yeah, I was like dragging on the ground.

930
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: And I didn't normally carry zip tizes, but my dad

931
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: had always been like, zip tize They're amazing, And I

932
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: was like sure, dad, whatever, So like I had some

933
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:49,240
Speaker 1: in my truck.

934
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, very hand jiptize and duct tape certainly in your vehicle.

935
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 2: You can fix most stuff that wants fixing with zip

936
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: tize and duct tape. I just like to wrap that

937
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 2: handles of my stuff, like I have a little bit

938
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 2: lighter here and I just wrap that in duct tape

939
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 2: and then I have the duct tape yeah, and I

940
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 2: have the bit lighter. Duct tape also is great tinder.

941
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 2: You can start a fire with it, so okay, really

942
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 2: has many many uses.

943
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 1: You can use one lighter to light the other lighter

944
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: on fire. Yeah. Yeah.

945
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 2: You could also take the tape off your lighter if

946
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: you wanted to avoid lighting your lighter.

947
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: All right. If you did light your lighter, you'll get

948
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: a moment of excitement when it goes poof, unless you're

949
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 1: holding it, which case you'll get a moment of pain,

950
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: which could be exciting. Yeah, it could be exciting. Hopefully

951
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: you're close to a hospital. Yeah. Yeah, I like to

952
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: carry it like a little pre made There's a I

953
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: like to. I do like to vacuum seal stuff. It's

954
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: the thing that I enjoy.

955
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 2: I recently got a vacuum seiler, been getting really into it,

956
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 2: so like I'll vacuum see your little packets of pills,

957
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:54,479
Speaker 2: little little plasters, band aids for American listeners into little

958
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 2: packs and give them to people or keep them places.

959
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 2: It maybe helps them with aging a little bit. But

960
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 2: having having a bag at that you could just open

961
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: in an emergency. It's super handy.

962
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: The other thing that I like and largely.

963
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 2: This is just because I go to places and I

964
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 2: have these tiny little fishing chem lights. They like they're

965
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 2: designed for certain fishing floats, so very good if you

966
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 2: need to like see something and so that's.

967
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: Glow sticks for the non tactical crowd, yeah yeah, yeah,

968
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 1: or silooms for the British tactical crowd. They're very handy.

969
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 2: You need to mark something at night, right, Like, They're

970
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 2: not going to be great for like I have flares

971
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 2: in my car. My car breaks down in the dark,

972
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 2: grown and I don't want people to pile into the

973
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 2: back of it.

974
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: For smaller things, you're going around.

975
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 2: A campsite and you want to be like, oh, like,

976
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 2: you know, there's a a piece of rebar sticking out

977
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: the ground here, right, you can crack one of those

978
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 2: bad boys and light it up. That makes They're also

979
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 2: just a way to bamboos or young children. If you're

980
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 2: around kids at night and you can suddenly make light appear,

981
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 2: just make sure they don't eat them.

982
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: Okay. But see, this actually gets to something that you

983
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 1: brought up earlier. A lot of crazy situations, an awful

984
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: lot of them you're not alone, and then an awful

985
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: lot of them things like being able to entertain kids

986
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 1: and things like that is like, yeah, a genuine need,

987
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: like a very useful thing. And so like I know

988
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: people who keep you know, like I mean usually people

989
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: who have kids, but they keep a stuffed animal or

990
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:28,439
Speaker 1: something like that in their bag.

991
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I was, so there are a lot of

992
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 2: children in these camps down the border, and that's very

993
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 2: fucked up. But like I realized I didn't have any toys.

994
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 2: So I got loads of these tiny little stuffed animals

995
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 2: someone had donated. Dude, Like they're about the size of

996
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 2: a golf ball, and it gave each child an animal right,

997
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 2: so they could play with the little animals, and animals

998
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 2: could be in community with each other.

999
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: Oh that's amazing. Yeah. Yeah.

1000
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 2: They were so pumped. And it wasn't just that kids

1001
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 2: were like, yeah, I got a toy. The parents were

1002
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 2: like thank fuck, like yeah, they are so bored, right,

1003
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 2: or like I have a small finger puppet that using

1004
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 2: the other day to entertain them. I don't where I

1005
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 2: found it. I found it in one of the vans

1006
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 2: we were using. It's like a seal and something like

1007
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 2: that makes all the difference when you have nothing to

1008
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 2: do with your kids, and I guess like along those lines,

1009
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 2: when I am bored, I have a Kindlap on my phone.

1010
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 2: I think it works with all the phones. Obviously, Jeff

1011
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 2: Bezos is a ball end, but like that's a it's

1012
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,919
Speaker 2: a British word. Yes, it's a British word. We don't

1013
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 2: like beis. Yeah, it's always the end of a dick.

1014
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: The tu messcent Park, Yeah okay, yeah, for those who

1015
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 1: weren't clear in the audience, but yeah, Jeff Besis is

1016
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: a dick.

1017
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 2: But the kindlap is nice. You can also have PDFs

1018
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 2: of books on your phone, but it's again, like I'm

1019
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 2: telling you from personal experience, when you're sitting in a

1020
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,760
Speaker 2: giant warehouse with nothing to do for a few days. Somewhere,

1021
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 2: I have a picture of building a fort with this

1022
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 2: little you know, she's like three or four, you know,

1023
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 2: and her folks who had come folks are refugees and

1024
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 2: we were just bored. So we built a four out

1025
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 2: of my level. But someone had an inflatable ball which

1026
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 2: we just played with for hours because you're so bored.

1027
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1028
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 2: So yeah, just having like an app on your phone

1029
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 2: where you can read books, it's probably going to be

1030
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 2: more useful to you than that shore barrowed rifle that

1031
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 2: you have to pay two hundred dollars tax stamp and

1032
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 2: that effects come into your house.

1033
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: For Yeah, every every crosspunk I knew you always carry

1034
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: what you need, and then you carry something and you

1035
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: almost like set your personality around this, Like like I

1036
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: knew a guy who was not an ultra lighter and

1037
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 1: his name was Pogo Dave and a fucking pogo stick. Yeah,

1038
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: an old metal like rusted pogo stick and I almost

1039
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: broke my knee with that thing. Oh yeah, in the

1040
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,399
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere. Yeah.

1041
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 2: I don't know if younger listeners will be familiar with

1042
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 2: the pogos. I think that's like do you think the

1043
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 2: zoomer is in the audience?

1044
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: I have no idea there. Yeah, they're probably looking up kids.

1045
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: Yeah and yeah, and so having something And it's funny too,

1046
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: because every like prepper manuals, like and a deck of

1047
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: cards and this is like technically true, but I'll tell

1048
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: you what. People actually plays hot dice, having some like

1049
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 1: six sided dice to play this really annoying game called

1050
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: hot dice, or like bring some D and D dice

1051
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: and just start playing like role playing games with people.

1052
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: You know, Like there's like having the entertainment things and

1053
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: then the other thing. I think it's really worth considering

1054
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 1: having a small musical instrument. I find that, like there's

1055
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: a reason that crossbunks play music everywhere they go. Yeah,

1056
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: are you about to pull out the harmonica?

1057
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 2: I have a harmonica in a pistol magazine pouch that

1058
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 2: I take on the side of my bag when I

1059
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 2: go to places.

1060
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, yeah, we took me.

1061
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 2: So when Rubb and I did on the m Moo Trepe,

1062
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 2: I left my harmonica with the the people who you're

1063
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 2: going to hit singing at the start of our show,

1064
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 2: they played they guitar and song for us cool.

1065
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 1: I left them the harmonica and they play it now. Yes,

1066
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 1: harmonica and then harmonica. The one thing that I have

1067
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: in my bug up bag that's all little bit extra,

1068
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: but I swear by I have a Nintendo Switch and

1069
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: a bunch of physical game cartridges for it. Because when

1070
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: twenty twenty hit, I lived in a cabin in the

1071
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere. I was off grid. I barely had

1072
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,439
Speaker 1: any electricity. I basically had to walk half a mile

1073
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: to my car and like charge things in my car

1074
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: for a while until I like got together enough money

1075
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: to get some solar panels and some batteries and stuff, right,

1076
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: because I had not planned on having my cabin be

1077
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 1: suddenly where I lived well like full time, not going

1078
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: anywhere else lived. And the first thing I got was

1079
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: a little tiny it's called a bit boy and it

1080
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: is a like tiny game boy that has every single

1081
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: Nintendo and Super Nintendo and Psychogenesis game pirated onto it.

1082
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: Oh wow, and.

1083
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 2: Immediately ordering that off to the podcast and it costs

1084
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 2: like forty I don't know how much they cost now,

1085
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 2: but they're not expensive because they're little weird three D

1086
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 2: printed pirated.

1087
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: Things and they like use almost no electricity and so

1088
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: it uses way less electricity in a cell phone. And

1089
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: that saved my sanity. And then when I finally got

1090
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: my shit together enough to get a Nintendo Switch and

1091
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: I could play Skyrim like and it's not that I

1092
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,439
Speaker 1: had nothing to do. People are like, oh, you don't

1093
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: need to entertain yourself in crisis because you're busy. It's like, look,

1094
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: you can probably only physically work on building your house

1095
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: to get it ready for the apocalypse. You think you're

1096
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: living in for maybe fourteen hours a day, you know,

1097
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: maybe ten to fourteen hours. Yeah, and if you don't

1098
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: do manual labor right now, then it might be a

1099
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 1: lottle less en. Yeah, like you have downtime, not always

1100
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: in every situation, but like injured need to sit around

1101
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: and do something or you'll you know, like entertainment is

1102
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: like actually really useful. Yes, And if you bring a paperback,

1103
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: and I recommend it, bring one that you've already read

1104
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: because you know you like it. I like, normally don't

1105
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: reread books all that much, but when I need to

1106
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 1: turn my brain off, a book that you've already read

1107
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: for a lot of people is going to do better.

1108
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: And if you haven't, so you should get a jump

1109
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 1: start on this by reading my book. Is inul Island

1110
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: a magnificent All right? Thanks? Yeah? Yeah, So so you

1111
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: can do the tabletop roleplaying game that we did. Yeah, yeah,

1112
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: there's a Escape from Insult Island tabletop roleplaying game that's

1113
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: coming out next to you. Well, there's this little zine

1114
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 1: version of it that I think you can download now,

1115
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:34,720
Speaker 1: but it's going to be slightly better.

1116
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could keep that in your bag. The other

1117
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 2: thing I was going to plug that I forgot about

1118
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 2: was download the Google Maps on to your phone. Yeah,

1119
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 2: or whatever brand, apps you want, maps you want, and

1120
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 2: have a watch that that doesn't need a battery. I

1121
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 2: think that's super handy. You can use the watch to

1122
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 2: tell the direction of south, which we'll seek if you

1123
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 2: other compass directions if if you really need to, but

1124
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 2: you can tell the time. You would again be surprised,

1125
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 2: how like people might imagine that I have to X happen,

1126
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 2: say it needs to tell the time, so it won't match.

1127
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 2: You probably will need to tell the time in most

1128
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 2: of your crises, you know, even to know if something

1129
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 2: has happened or it's not happened right, And so being

1130
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 2: able to do that it's very handy. And having a

1131
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 2: watch that powers yourself is a way to do that.

1132
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,760
Speaker 1: No, that makes sense. I use one that doesn't power itself,

1133
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: but it like lasts three weeks or so on a

1134
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 1: charge and like vaguely charges itself from the sun, but

1135
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: not very efficiently. There's also and I know there's like

1136
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: now we're getting into the ways. Okay, here's the other pitch.

1137
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: It's fun when besides doing the basics, you can nerd

1138
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 1: out about it, and you can do it cheaply because

1139
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: nerding out about it is free. You can find your

1140
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: other friends that want to talk about this bullshit and

1141
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: talk about with this bullshit. You don't have to go

1142
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: out and buy fancy crazy shit. Sometimes you want the

1143
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: fancy crazy shit, but most of the stuff we're talking

1144
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: about is super cher and then you can have the

1145
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: joy of talking about the ship and getting into the

1146
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 1: weeds with it. But there's a there's an app I

1147
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: think it's called Keywicks, and it lets you download Wikipedia

1148
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: and read it on your phone offline. Yeah, that would

1149
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:15,839
Speaker 1: be good.

1150
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,359
Speaker 2: I've just remembered one more thing that Mark and I

1151
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 2: talked about off Michael a while ago, because this is

1152
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 2: the kind of people we are. Yeah, it's called bank line.

1153
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:26,439
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah.

1154
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 2: So the tactical crowd a very into power cord because

1155
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 2: it's a little bit stronger and you can pick out

1156
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 2: the inside lines and stuff. Is also very shiny and

1157
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 2: could be annoying to not sometimes if you get some

1158
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 2: bank line and you need to construct a shelter, which

1159
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 2: is relatively unlikely, you can. If you need to repair

1160
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 2: your clothes and you have a needle, you can pick

1161
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 2: it apart and use.

1162
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 1: It for that. But if you're bored, like every everyone

1163
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 1: should know a few knots. You know, if you know

1164
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: how to do like a I guess figure eight, not

1165
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 1: if you know how to do a truck has hitched

1166
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 1: a bowl and knot and you're probably pretty good if

1167
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: you could do those, honestly, Like, you can do a

1168
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: lot of stuff to justice prussic, maybe another friction hitch.

1169
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: You can practice those when you're bought. It's fun.

1170
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 2: It's okay. It may not be as fun for you

1171
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 2: as it is for me because I'm that kind of person.

1172
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 2: But if you like to learn stuff and then you

1173
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 2: can share that with someone else, right, it's fun to

1174
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 2: teach people and then they can teach you. A couple

1175
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 2: I have taught and learned not from people from half

1176
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 2: a dozen nationalities in the last month, and it's fun anyway.

1177
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 2: It's cool to share.

1178
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: It's also like when you're in a ship situation, being like, huh,

1179
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: having a moment where you're not thinking about the ship

1180
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: situation instead of thinking about that's cool. I learned that

1181
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: not it's very nice actually, and so yeah, like a

1182
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: Brazilian rodeo guy taught me a couple of knots.

1183
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 2: That's the other day. Yeah, it was sweet. We were helping.

1184
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 2: We had dumpster dive some tents that Susan g Coheman

1185
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 2: was throwing away, and so we were helping put those

1186
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 2: up and in one case we had their fly sheet

1187
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 2: but not the tent, so we were trying to work

1188
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 2: out how to make them to top. Did some different knots.

1189
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 2: It was fun, and bank line is cheaper than para code.

1190
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 2: Probably don't need the paracode with a fishing line inside

1191
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 2: in ninety nine percent of circumstances to get some bank

1192
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 2: line number thirty six bank line.

1193
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: Okay, and then the other the crustpunk challenges. You just

1194
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: start fixing your clothes at dental floss. Oh yeah, Fluss

1195
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: is great for that.

1196
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 2: Yeah Yeah, I get a sale needle and dental flosh

1197
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 2: and you'll smell minty fresh.

1198
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. And when I make my emergency kits, I take

1199
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: little there's sort of sewing needle vials. I like them

1200
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,439
Speaker 1: better than the little slidey kits where everything gets lost

1201
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,919
Speaker 1: all the time. Yeah, And I just get these little

1202
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: tiny vials. They're clear so everyone knows what's in it.

1203
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: And I put safety pins, regular sewing needles, and leather

1204
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: sewing needles into them. And then when you're sewing with leather.

1205
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 1: The other thing that I recommend people carry it. Okay,

1206
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: like in two thousand and three, if you are a crustpunk,

1207
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: the things you need to have on you are at

1208
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: all times. You need a folding knife, you need a headlamp,

1209
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: you need a multi tool with pliers, and you need

1210
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: a sleeping bag and like and a spork and it

1211
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: can opener, and that's kind of it in a lot

1212
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: of ways.

1213
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't combine those things. It be the person with

1214
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 2: the spark multi tool. Now you'll get beans in your

1215
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 2: knife and fucking.

1216
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 1: Well, actually that's called a hobo tool. There actually are

1217
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: multi tools that are but oh sorry, spork but then

1218
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: it's a spoon and it's a spoon and on one

1219
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: side and a forecast the other. Yeah yeah, yeah, those suck.

1220
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 1: Don't anything that folds. Anything that folds, you should keep

1221
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: it away from food. Yes, folding knife is going to

1222
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: get so gross. I mean you'll do it anyway, but

1223
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: I think we're kind of probably at time.

1224
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I could keep going. That's going to get tweezers.

1225
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 2: But okay, yeah, this is enough stuff. Yeah, if you

1226
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 2: want to hear more of this kind of content, Yeah,

1227
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 2: Mago just a whole other podcast.

1228
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: Oh I was gonna say that I'd trick them into

1229
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:58,919
Speaker 1: having me on to talk about this stuff more. But yeah,

1230
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll we'll have you back.

1231
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 2: We'll do a whole other one film. But Margaret also

1232
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 2: has a whole other podcast which you should listen to.

1233
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 2: What's it cool and where can people find it?

1234
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 1: Margaret? Well, okay, so the Prepper one is called Live

1235
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 1: Like the World Is Dying, your podcast where it feels

1236
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 1: like the end times. It comes out every Friday. And

1237
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: I also have a cool Zone Media podcast called cool

1238
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: People It's Cool Stuff, where I talk about history and

1239
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 1: about cool people who did cool stuff. And James has

1240
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 1: been on both of these podcasts. So if you want

1241
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: to hear us continue to banter about things, there's so

1242
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: many more available options available to you.

1243
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe download them for those terrible times when you

1244
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 2: just need the calming voice of me and Margaret talking

1245
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 2: about bags.

1246
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: That's right, Well, just like just to like it's okay,

1247
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 1: you're going to get through this. I know that things

1248
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: seem bad right now, and they are bad, but it's okay.

1249
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: We'll just still a big hour of that. Yeah, yeah,

1250
01:00:55,760 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: to an hour of that. I'm proud of you. Yeah, totally, yeah, yeah,

1251
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 1: we will be your anarchist affirmations. Yeah.

1252
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 2: Cool, that's another podcast. This has been It could Happen here.

1253
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 2: Thank you, Margaret that it was wonderful time.

1254
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: Fine. It could happen here as a production of cool

1255
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 1: Zone Media. For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit

1256
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: our website cool zonemedia dot com, or check us out

1257
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen

1258
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: to podcasts. You can find sources for It could Happen Here,

1259
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: updated monthly at cool zonemedia dot com slash sources. Thanks

1260
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 1: for listening.