1 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: It is the eleventh of April twenty twenty, and it 2 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: is time for episode nineteen of Morning Combat Extra Credit. 3 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: This is the podcast within the podcast. Hello everyone, my 4 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: name is Luke Thomas. I am merely the one half 5 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 1: of your hosting duo for normal Morning Combat. On that 6 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:22,959 Speaker 1: show we cover MMA and boxing, so we have to 7 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: leave some of the MMA fights off to the side, 8 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 1: or even some of the boxing fights off to the 9 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: side too. 10 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: So this is. 11 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: Where we get to some of the stuff that didn't 12 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: make the regular big show today. This should be no 13 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: surprise to anyone who has been paying attention at all 14 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 1: to anything. I don't need to tell you what, of course, 15 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:40,599 Speaker 1: is going to be the fight. Oh I should say 16 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: the card rather that we examine the most UFC two 17 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: seventy three is where it's going to be. So thumbs 18 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: up on the video. If you are watching this on YouTube, 19 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: please hit subscribe as well. If you're listening on podcast platforms, 20 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: thank you. Either way, Just make sure you let people 21 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: know that you're listening to Morning Combat. However you consume 22 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: it all right, So for today, five fights as usual. 23 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: Two fights we'll talk about very very quickly. For honorable mention, 24 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: let's take a look at that list today. All right, 25 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: here we go UFC two to seventy three fight card. 26 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: We'll talk about Dern versus Torres, mark O Madsen or 27 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,839 Speaker 1: just Mark Madson taking on Vince Pachell. We'll talk about 28 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: Ian Gary versus Darien Weeks. I want to talk about 29 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: Raquel Pennington and Aspin lad and I want to talk 30 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: about Mike Malott and Mickey Gaul. Will give some honorable 31 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: mention to Anthony Hernandez and Julio Arse. 32 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, let's begin. 33 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: So Mackenzie Dern defeats Tsha Torres for fight number one 34 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: via split decision twenty eight. 35 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 2: Nine twenty eight. 36 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: When I first watched live, I thought that that was 37 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say clear, but I had a fairly 38 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: ish strong lean towards Torres. I rewatched it again, and 39 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: now I'm not as sure about it, but it didn't 40 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: seem commanding in Dern's favor either or or Torres. I 41 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: leaned a little bit more darn after watching it, but 42 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: I was still pretty close to even on that round, 43 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: So I don't mind the decision at all. You could 44 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: have gone either way. When fights get this close, I 45 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: know it upsets the losing fighter tremendously, and for all 46 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: the reasons that we know. It impacts their pay and 47 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: record and leg I mean, it's just terrible for them, 48 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: even though it can come down to the tiniest, tiniest detail. 49 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: This was an interesting fight because Torres did not fight 50 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: badly at all. She won the first round, she survived 51 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: the second, and she was pretty competitive in the third. 52 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: Now she's what may have cost her was that she 53 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: started the third a little bit playing prevent defense, where 54 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: she wasn't really trying to Rather, I should say what 55 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: she was. She was just trying to stick and move, 56 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: but barely even sticking. It was mostly just touch and 57 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:48,959 Speaker 1: move like I'm gonna do just enough not to coast, 58 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: but just there was really no engagement whatsoever. And eventually 59 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: that changed. And of course there was the near takedown 60 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: which she survived and push pushed off and whatnot, and 61 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: there was a couple of decent shots she l as well. 62 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: She had a few good kicks to the body, to 63 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: the that sort of heel kick, that hook kick to 64 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: the chin that was kind of nice. She had some 65 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: decent punches, but I can admit that the first you know, 66 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: minute or two of the third round that may have 67 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: cost her because it was pretty competitive thereafter and then 68 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: that part. It wasn't like durn did a ton, But 69 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: it's kind of like Algoe in round one against John 70 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: could go either way, but because there was so much 71 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: inactivity or meaningless activity for enough of the round that 72 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: anything after that, even if it's even doesn't matter anyway. 73 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: Does the scoring is irrelevant? But what I thought was 74 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: kind of interesting was Torres fought really well in the first, 75 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: survived the second, and had some good stuff in the third. 76 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: As I mentioned getting away from that, that second grappling scenario, 77 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: had it been one right, she kicked her off from 78 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: the first one being in the second round that was 79 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: big that at least gave her a fighting chance. So 80 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: I don't have a lot to say against Torres, or 81 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: in any way, I don't have anything to say against 82 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: her personally. What I mean to say is I don't 83 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: have anything super critical to point out. I mean, she 84 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: fought a difficult to put it and did her best. 85 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: I take that in most ways for what it's worth. 86 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: The one thing I did notice a couple of things 87 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: all around, but for Torres, and I understand it right, like, 88 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: if you're trying to survive a grappling scenario where the 89 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 1: other person who you're grappling with has distinct skill advantages, 90 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: you are probably not going to want to be reckless 91 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: with ground and pound, right, You're going to make sure 92 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: that your hands and feet and hips are and your 93 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: weight is distributed exactly where it needs to be to 94 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: make sure that this situation doesn't get any worse. That's fair, 95 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: But the problem with that is, of course there is 96 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: not very little, or in many cases there was like 97 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: almost no ground and pound in any of those scenarios. 98 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: So I understand the instinct and even the decision frankly 99 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: to minimize that. But if you need a third round 100 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: and it's that close, you know, it wasn't like she 101 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: would have won back the second unless she was able 102 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: to mount like a significant offense. But just finding consistent 103 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: ways to land pays immeasurable dividends as the fight goes forward, 104 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: and so that opportunity being missed certainly did not help her. Again, 105 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: I think, you know, her submission defense was excellent along 106 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: the way, and she's strong to be able to hold 107 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: her up in the way that she did, So it's 108 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: a setback for Torres, but she hardly fought poorly. 109 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 2: She felt great. 110 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: In the case of Mackenzie Dern, it's interesting, right, like, 111 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 1: here's the thing she got the win Credit Tour. This 112 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: is a tough opponent Credit Tour. Mackenzie durn is still 113 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: in her twenties. She's clearly getting better. She's clearly deserving 114 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: of respect. I have a lot of respect for her. 115 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: The thing that still kind of worries me a little 116 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: bit for her is that one, her striking has got 117 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: a lot better. She has a great chin. She doesn't 118 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: run from the challenge, but she's off balance a lot. 119 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: She's like tripping over and kind of falling a lot, 120 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: which tells me, like some of the mechanics she's gotten 121 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: a lot better. But I just sort of wonder about 122 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: the implications of all of that. 123 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 2: One. 124 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: Two, her overall defensive takedown percentage success rate heading into 125 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: this content was just ten percent. It has to be 126 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: We'll see how they measured it. I'm not sure how 127 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: that fight metric measured any of those attempts over Saturday, 128 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: but that would put her let's see, yeah, now it's 129 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: just nine percent, nine percent. This is the thing her 130 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: wrestling I'm sure she's worked on it, but in terms 131 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: of the level of competition she's getting, it's not doing 132 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: her a ton of favors when you're you know, takedown 133 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: accuracy is somewhat of a meaningless statu it's not totally true, 134 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: but it can be misinterpreted by a lot of folks. 135 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: But nine percent is not ambiguous. That is a very 136 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: low percentage, and you see that with the wrestling. However, 137 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: once she gets you know, if she can jump guard 138 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: or she can find a way to make it a 139 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: grappling scenario, Dude, she terrorizes these people. Even though she 140 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: lost to Marina Hadriguez, she was in the round or 141 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: rounds whatever she was when she was on top, and 142 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: like dealing in a grappling situation, she has these people 143 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: running for their lives out there. They don't want anything, 144 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: they're not like literally, Chicha Torres wasn't even striking her 145 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: just so she could make sure that she didn't get 146 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: caught something she wasn't supposed to. That's devastating. But it's like, dude, 147 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: if you don't have the takedowns behind it, that you 148 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: can't meaningfully leverage it, right, that's the first part and 149 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: The second part is, I mean the Tourism the Hadriguez 150 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: fights share a similarity. In the end, Hardriguez got the 151 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: decision and Dern came very close to nearly beating her, 152 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: but you know, kind of came short. And this time, 153 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: this time she nearly got the submission, didn't and then 154 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: came out on top. But they carry certain similarities where 155 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: you know, DRRN might have been a little bit more 156 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: competitive in the stand up here than she was against 157 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: Hadriguez overall, although she was very competitive early and then 158 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: less so late, if memory serves. The point I'm trying 159 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: to make is these scenarios where you know it's it's 160 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: you only get one of these grappling two of these 161 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: grappling moments, and they're terrifying and they count and they're 162 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: great and they showcase all the skills, but they're hard 163 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: to reproduce if you don't get it. 164 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 2: Now. 165 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: The fight's real close, and yes, sometimes she loses and 166 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: sometimes she wins, but it's not a hugely dis similar 167 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: kind of fight between Hadriguez and Tours. I'm talking about 168 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: the opponent per se, but in terms of like what 169 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: she's tasked with, what the dimensions of the game, are 170 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: presenting herself to and how the complexion of the fight looks. 171 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: As a consequence, She's kind of running this one back 172 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: to back a little bit, so the wrestling's got to 173 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: get up. I will say her again, her durability is incredible. Clearly, 174 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: her overall striking ability has gotten significantly better. She's strong, 175 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: she had good cardio. There's a lot to like and 176 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: obviously on the ground, dude, they don't have anything for 177 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 1: her whatsoever. It's amazing to see how she has these 178 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: people frightened and you know, it's and I'm not talking 179 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: about that as a character flaw. I'm saying, like, you know, 180 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 1: that's a rational response given what's happening. But there's got 181 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: to be a you just there's clearly pieces of her 182 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: game that are missing. There are clearly pieces that are missing, 183 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: and that's true for every fighter. It's glaringly true here 184 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: you have such an ace in the hole, but your 185 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: access to it requires her. Yes, she can jump guard 186 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: and she can pull it in ways that other fighters can't. 187 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: So maybe taking an unorthodox approach by virtue of that 188 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: like that level of the change and the risk assessment 189 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: by virtue of the skill. I'm all in favor of 190 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: It just feels like there's as good as she is 191 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: doing and as much upside as there is. Please don't 192 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: lose sight of what I'm saying. I just don't know 193 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: if you're going to get the most out of her 194 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,719 Speaker 1: if some of these other pieces aren't brought along more forcefully. 195 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. But she's a handful pretty clearly. 196 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: Mark mattson defeating Vince Michelle. I know some folks probably 197 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: wanted me to go into Hernandez and Frimed instead. That 198 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: was a ridiculously crazy fight. But there's a fewer different 199 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: lessons to learn from that one that I just didn't 200 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: want to focus on. I want to focus on this one. 201 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: It was a lightweight contest. Matts and defeating Paschelle via 202 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: unanimous decision thirty twenty seven on two judges twenty nine 203 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: to twenty eight. I didn't understand thirty twenty seven. It 204 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: seemed to me that Pachelle should have gotten the second round. 205 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: Third round he got controlled, and first round was very close, 206 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 1: pretty competitive to me. That Matson had a little bit 207 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 1: more of a speed advantage, a little bit more of 208 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: a powered or at least if not powered advantage. He 209 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: was landing heavier shots a little bit in the first round, 210 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: and then he had that takedown which he controlled for 211 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: about a minute as well. So you know, close round, 212 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: very competitive, nothing too crazy, but Mattson probably got it. 213 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 2: Second round. 214 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: You heard Pachelle tell his corner after it that he's done, 215 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: but he wasn't there because he got wrestled out there. Okay, 216 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: a couple Why do I bring this up? 217 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 2: One? 218 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: Vince Michelle is a very deceiving fighter. I don't know 219 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: if people give him the proper respect that he is owed. 220 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: He is a little bit longer in the tooth, but 221 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: he is a guy who has very quietly worked on 222 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: his game for a long time, and it really shows. 223 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: There's a lot that I liked for him. I liked 224 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: the fact that they went for that takedown at the 225 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: end of the second. I liked the gumption there. He 226 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: was doing a great job of attacking the lead hand 227 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: in striking scenarios against Madson. He didn't get overwhelmed on 228 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: the ground, although he did get controlled, which is a 229 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: different problem. But you know, I thought that he just 230 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: had a lot going for him, answering him in a 231 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: lot of ways for the leg kicks. There was a 232 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 1: lot you have to like from from what Vince Pachelle did. 233 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: You know, he's a very talented, well rounded veteran. So 234 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: this is probably Madson's best win. 235 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 2: I mean that, like, I. 236 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 1: Don't know, you know, he's got more forceful wins, but 237 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: I don't think he's beaten anyone as good as Vince Pachelle, 238 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 1: and certainly not you know, thirty twenty seven I don't 239 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:15,599 Speaker 1: quite agree with. 240 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 2: But the tw twenty eight I get. 241 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: The thing about it with Madson is this I'm a 242 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: little bit you know, I'll say it this way, thirty 243 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: seven years of age. Obviously, he's a phenomenal athlete, right, 244 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 1: I mean you should just see his on the international 245 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: stage five times You've done one two four time silver medalist, 246 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: and the World Championships one time bronze, and then he 247 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: was an Olympic silver medalist in wrestling as well. You know, 248 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: he's just want or you know, placed very highly at 249 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: at at some of the more prestigious combat sports events 250 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: such as you can call the Olympics that of all time, 251 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: he's phenomenal. And he moved to the United States, and 252 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: I know he had a rough bout with COVID and 253 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: lockdown on the whole nine yards. He had a rough 254 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: go of it. I'm a little bit worried about what 255 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 1: is potentially possible given that he is thirty seven years 256 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 1: of age fighting at one hundred and fifty five pounds. 257 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: For as much as he is an A plus athlete 258 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: and he is, and as good as his wrestling is, 259 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 1: especially now in this era of MMA where you're getting 260 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: a lot of upper body takedowns against defense perfectly suited 261 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: for it. He doesn't look physically overmatched, but his cardio 262 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: I think, has been questionable insofar as not in this fight, 263 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: but if he gets pushed into very difficult fights, potentially 264 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: five rounders against very established guys. Has he shown Cardio 265 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 1: in less admittedly a difficult fight, but less difficult than 266 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: what the very best of this division has to offer. 267 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: And it's been a couple of times at least where 268 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: the cardio towards the end of a fight has kind 269 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: of faded a little bit. 270 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 2: So is it bad Cardio? No, certainly not. 271 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: The question is is it going to propel him if 272 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: he continues to move with the food chain? I have 273 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: some questions. I'm not saying it can't, but because you 274 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,479 Speaker 1: never know, right, and it sounds like BS equivocation. 275 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 2: We don't know. 276 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: What I'm pointing out though, is if you're thirty seven 277 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: and you're in an important bout, you're on the main 278 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: card of it C pay per view, this is all 279 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: very relevant fighting, but your cardio is still a little 280 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: bit not where it should be even there and again 281 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: you're almost You're much closer to forty than you are thirty. 282 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: That's a that's a warning sign. That is a warning sign, 283 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: as far as I can tell from you know, my 284 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: time covering the sport. I thought in the first round 285 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,599 Speaker 1: Matson did a great job with leg kicks again, a 286 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: little bit faster on the draw, a little bit more 287 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: kind of getting after it. In the third round, Vince 288 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: Baschell complained that Matson was holding him down and not 289 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: doing enough ground upound. I'll say this, I don't agree, 290 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: but I see where he's coming from. To me, it 291 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: was right on the borderline between, you know, is he 292 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:46,439 Speaker 1: stalling or is he doing enough? He was probably doing enough, 293 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: but barely, but barely barely, not enough to like if 294 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: you wonder why the referee didn't intervene. Every referee's got 295 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: a different sensibility, but in this particular case, I kind 296 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,719 Speaker 1: of get it. I see where Vince is coming from. 297 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: Well it was, I mean, just over the line, but 298 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: again that's all you really need sometimes in very close 299 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: competitive fights, you got to be just a little bit 300 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: better somewhere right where it counts, and he was. So 301 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: to me, this is Mark Madson's best win, and for 302 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:14,719 Speaker 1: that he should be commended. He clearly has a lot 303 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: of ability. I do worry though, that if we're still 304 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: having cardio issues this I'm gonna say this late, but 305 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: this far into his advancement, not the end of the world, 306 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: but something that if it can be tightened up, and 307 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: I'm sure he trains hard, There's always different ways to 308 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: calibrate this. It's just he's got to be in a 309 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: place where I think he went to the wrestling strategically 310 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: for a lot of reasons. I think one of them 311 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: might have been that in wrestling is you know, obviously 312 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: taxing on his system too. But I think one of 313 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: them might have been that he needed a little bit 314 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: of a slightly more a less chaotic approach. 315 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 2: Let's put it that way, all right. 316 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: Ian Gary taking on Darien Weeks twenty nine to twenty eight, 317 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: he gets one scorecard and then two thirty twenty sevens. 318 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: I wasn't scoring it in that way. This was Ian 319 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: Gary's fight to lose. Now Here's the thing. I had 320 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: a lot of people asking me, like, you know, is 321 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: Ian Gary one of the next future stars of welterweight folks? 322 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: Please pump the brakes now. I will say this. I 323 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: was asked on my live chat yesterday, you know who 324 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: I think has the higher upside between he and Patty 325 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: pimblet if we're looking at you know Irish UK fighters. Well, 326 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: first of all, both of them have a pretty bright 327 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: future number one and number two. It's it's impossible to 328 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: tell I lean Gary in this equation. But I can't 329 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: say that with a ton of confidence because I simply 330 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: do not know. If there's so much in front of 331 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: them that is unknowable that you know, Answering this question 332 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: is kind of silly. Forced to answer. Gun to my head, 333 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: I would say Ian Gary. But I want to be 334 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: clear about what the purpose of this fight was. Right, 335 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: there's a lot of different purposes to different fights, especially 336 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: when you're coming up. This was great for Ian Gary, 337 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: not a perfect fight. In fact, I thought Dean Thomas's 338 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: reflections in the third round. Go back and watch that 339 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: first and second round, and you can see Gary trying 340 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: to find the right hand over the top over and 341 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: over and over again, and Weeks constantly blocking it because 342 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: there was nothing. He wasn't forcing him to transfer his defense. 343 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: He was fainting at a level and level changing, but 344 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: doing a lot of fainting, and then he would faint 345 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: like three or four rotations before throwing. 346 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 2: It just wasn't enough activity. Now. 347 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: In fairness to Ian Gary, his opponent Darien Weeks was 348 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: doing the Yuel Romero bit where he was fighting in spurts. 349 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: It was a lot of just defense right and not 350 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: even trying to throw back. He would clinch with them 351 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: a couple of times. Gary did a phenomenal job staying 352 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: on his feet and then he would throw and Gary 353 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: would either you know, get out by the way. Gary's 354 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: lateral movement, his his his ability to throw as like 355 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: a check hook or to get underneath punches and to 356 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: get out of the way is really good against the 357 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: fence line, like all that stuff is. It was it 358 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: was on point. The purpose of this fight and the 359 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: value in it was not that you needed to see 360 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: anything that told you Ian Gary was going to be, 361 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: you know, the next big thing in MMA, and that's 362 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: not what any of this is about. What this was 363 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: about was here's a guy who was obviously extremely talented, 364 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: who is with a great camp. Who you know, how 365 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: old is he and Garrett, I mean he was twenty 366 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: four or something, whatever he is. He needed a fight 367 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: that went the distance where he could work on all 368 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: the things he's been working on implementing, whether that was 369 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 1: the strategy for the game, for the particular fight with 370 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: the lateral movement, pumping the jab, all of that, the 371 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: particular combos they worked, the overall skilled development about where 372 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: he is generally as a fighter. This was a chance 373 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: to put those things into practice, see what worked, see 374 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: what didn't. Get the dub and get home and be 375 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: safe and don't take a lot of damage. This was 376 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: nothing you're going to point to when his career is 377 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: all said and done. This is nothing you're going to 378 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: point to as like, oh, this is the Hall of 379 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: Fame fighter, however far he goes. You know, this was 380 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: the fight that made him into a contender, This's the 381 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 1: fight that put him in the top ten whatever whatever. 382 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,439 Speaker 1: This is, though one of the more important parts of 383 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: his development. He got fifteen minutes against a fighter who 384 00:17:55,720 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 1: you know, was a difficult challenge, but not super onerously burdensome, right, 385 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: He wasn't that way, and he got a chance to 386 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: defensively take care of himself, to offensively put things into motion. 387 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 1: This was about taking a step forward as a very 388 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: young prospect who needs cage time and needs implementation time 389 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: in a live fight scenario, which he did quite nimbly 390 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: and got out of there. Did he wow you with 391 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: everything he did? Certainly in that third round he was 392 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: I think he landed a head kick. I think he 393 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 1: had like a decent one two that rocked his opponent. 394 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 1: Like yes, by the third round he was cooking he had. 395 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: I think also he was having a little bit of 396 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: trouble finding exactly the angle he wanted on weeks based 397 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 1: on what was opening. So there was a little bit 398 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 1: of the bodywork he needed to get to. There was 399 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: a little bit of not accuracy issues so much, but 400 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: you know, the transferring transference of the defense. But the 401 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,959 Speaker 1: lateral movement was great, rolling underneath hooks was great, and 402 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: escaping takedown defense was on point. Jab was on point. 403 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: That's what this was about that was about this, and 404 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 1: I will say that the level of skill he showed 405 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: is obviously quite high and should give you confidence about 406 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: his upside. But he is at the stage of his 407 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: career where these fights they aren't showcases for somebody who 408 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: wants the smoke right away. These are foundational building block 409 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: processes that have to happen so he can get there. 410 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: Because he is young and he is talented, and yeah, 411 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 1: you could rush him to the front and maybe he 412 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 1: could beat some good guys, but you're not gonna get 413 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,719 Speaker 1: the most out of him. This is what gets the 414 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: most out of him. This was the right fight to 415 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: take against the right opponent in the right moment. He 416 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,719 Speaker 1: won't be heralded for this win as some kind of 417 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:35,239 Speaker 1: groundbreaking achievement. Not the point. This will put him in 418 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: place much better than other kinds of matchmaking, to have 419 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 1: that groundbreaking moment. That's the value of this. This was 420 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: next step boom, done it. Now we can begin to 421 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: keep working on this. Keep working on this, keep working it, 422 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: implement it, try it, test it, what worked, what didn't, 423 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: tweak it, tweak it, go back once again. That's what 424 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: this is about. He's at that stage of his career, 425 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: and that's where its primary value comes in. We go 426 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: to Raquel Pennington defeating Aspen Ladd at Women's Bandsamway, this 427 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: was a baffling fight, twenty nine to twenty eight. I'm 428 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: guessing they gave I haven't seen the scorecards. I'm guessing 429 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 1: they gave Aspen Ladd the third because she was pressing 430 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: into Raquel the most. I'll say this for aspen Lad. 431 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 2: How old is she? 432 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: She is twenty seven, so she's still quite young. She 433 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: made weight, she's still twenty seven, and she clearly has 434 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: some ability. She didn't really get a chance to get 435 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: a ground a pound, going by virtue of what Rocky 436 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: Pennington was doing to stand up, and by the time 437 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: the third round sort of four pressure came it was decent, 438 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: but not great and in any case, too little, too late. 439 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 1: I am shocked that they thought that they had a 440 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:51,719 Speaker 1: chance at winning that fight. That is extremely surprising to hear. Listen, 441 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: I am very conscious. I try to be. I don't 442 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: I can't always be. I try to be as conscious 443 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: as I am about some in my role, offering critical 444 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: feedback and evaluations of people who are as it relates 445 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:10,959 Speaker 1: to that practice far better than I and you know 446 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: this is the this is their identity. Like you don't 447 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: want to be I try that to be unnecessarily cruel 448 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: about any kind of criticism, nor do I intend to 449 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: be here, and it won't sound this way. I just 450 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 1: mean to say the following. I do not know if 451 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: she's getting the proper amount of development up to this point, 452 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: given where she has been in her career. Let's pull 453 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 1: up Lad's resume here. You know, when she was burning 454 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 1: through Sijari Ubanks and what was her fifth fight, Lena Lansburg, 455 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 1: Tanya Avenger, cijar Ubanks again. In her eighth fight, she 456 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: lost to durand to Me, which was fine because Durande 457 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: me hit her with a big shot sixteen seconds in. 458 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 1: And then she was kind of losing the Kunaskaya fight, 459 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: and then lost the Dumont fight and the Penitent fight. 460 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 1: I don't know if I can say she's regressed, but 461 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: I cannot comfortably say that from the time she beat 462 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: Tanya Avenger she has meaningfully improved performance of the night 463 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: bonus when she beat Evenger and granted, Rocky Pennington looked 464 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: awesome this fight. I mean she had the timing down 465 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: of aspen Ladd right away. She was getting underneath all 466 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: of her punches, she was getting in between them, she 467 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 1: was getting after them. She had the timing down and 468 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: was giving in the striking department fits to aspen ladd 469 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: through at least of the first two rounds. It was 470 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: it was incredible to watch that so Rocky Pennington. You know, 471 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: there was she was Superman punching into it. She was 472 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: going to the body then coming upstairs. I mean, just 473 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 1: a total veteran showcase of her boxing ability. This was 474 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: one of the better performances in terms of just straight boxing. 475 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 2: I see. 476 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: Pennington's always had a good boxing, but this was like a 477 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 1: really strong showcase of it. And then she's gritty in 478 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: the clinch. Granted she got pressed into the fence with 479 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: the third frame, but through the first two she had 480 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: done tremendous work Rocky Pennington. You know, for all the 481 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: difficulties she has faced, the loss to Nunez and the accidents, 482 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: and she had a terrible bout with COVID and all 483 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: this stuff, through all of that she has really rebounded 484 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 1: and she looks great. She looks as you know, afresh 485 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: as a daisy. I don't know, she's been in the 486 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: game for a while, but she's firing on all cylinders 487 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: these days. But for asmen, Ladd, I just listen. At 488 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 1: twenty seven, it would be very foolish to write her off, 489 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 1: very foolish to write her off. And I'm not going 490 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 1: to join in with the course of people attacking the corner. 491 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: I would just say, we saw a lot of progress 492 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 1: between her fifth and eighth fight. Between her ninth and 493 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: her twelfth, we have not seen even close to the 494 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: same amount. And yes, I grant, I grant that between 495 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 1: the ninth and the twelfth she has fought much tougher opposition. 496 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 1: At least in three of those cases, all of them 497 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: were tough. But you know what I'm saying, Durand to 498 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: me and Pennington title challengers Kunskaya too, although it was 499 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: a little bit somewhat rushed anyway, the point remains the same. 500 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: I've not seen the same amount of development, and I'm 501 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: not sure where all of this is presently headed. I 502 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: think that there's probably some. 503 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 2: Need for. 504 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: Consideration about, you know, at twenty seven years of age, 505 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: where she wants to be by thirty. Granted the Dumont 506 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 1: fight was at one forty five. She was back at 507 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: one thirty five. She looked better here, but. 508 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 2: Not. 509 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: I guess I'm not understanding where this is supposed to 510 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: be going relative to where it had been going, and 511 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: that seems like a problem. Mike Mallott defeating Mickey gall 512 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: three forty one of the first round. TKOS was a 513 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: welterweight bout man. Mickey Gall is in a tough spot, folks. 514 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: He had won and lost alternately since the twenty sixteen 515 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: fight against Stage north Cut. So we beat Sage north Cut, 516 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: then lost to Randy Brown. Then he beat George Sullivan 517 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: but then lost to Diego Sanchez. Then he beat Salem 518 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: to Ai but then lost to Mike Perry. Then he 519 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: beat Jordan Williams, which was nice I was in twenty 520 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 1: twenty one, but then he lost to Alex Morno and 521 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 1: then followed it up with a loss to Mike Mallott. 522 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 1: Now he has been finished before he got finished by Diego, 523 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: but that was in the second round. He got finished 524 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: here inside of four minutes. This is he's in a 525 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: tough spot. He's seven and five. Now he's not so old. 526 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: He's thirty. That's not old, but at thirty. If you're 527 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: at seven and five and then for the first time ever. 528 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: You're on back to back losses, and you know Alex 529 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: Morenau is very talented guy out afford to seven, maybe 530 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: on the game for a long time. And then Mike Mellott, 531 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 1: the guy looks like a physical beast. But these are 532 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: not guys at even close to the upper end of 533 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 1: that division. I think Moreno is pretty close. He might 534 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: be in the rankings. I don't want to disrespect him 535 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,239 Speaker 1: unless I already have more No. No, I don't think 536 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 1: he is there yet. So you get the idea. These 537 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: are guys that are not even ranked in the top fifteen. 538 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean they're bad, it doesn't mean they won't 539 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: be there, It doesn't mean they're not worthy of respect. 540 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: But we're talking about you know who's ranked where he's 541 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: still outside of even that, and he's getting he's getting 542 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: put away. How did he get put away here? He 543 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 1: was an orthodox fighter, and he switched stands through a shift, 544 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: which the initial punch of the shift landed, so that worked. 545 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 1: That was good, And they tried to come over with 546 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: a right and it didn't come through. So he reshuffled 547 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 1: into distance to close the distance. While staying in that stance, 548 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: he throws a punch, but Mallett slips off the center 549 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 1: line and drills him over the top with it. And 550 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: then if you look closely, he already had the left chambered. 551 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: Now not chambered like this, you're delivering a straight shot, 552 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 1: but chamber for the trajectory it's going to go anyway. 553 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: So this pushes the head over and then it's just 554 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 1: a short little left hook, almost like an uppercut, kind 555 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: of like a shovel punch, and it hits him clean 556 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: as a whistle, sends him face first down. So the 557 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: shift was nice for Mickey gall that was actually pretty good. 558 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 1: But staying in that position and kind of inching your 559 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 1: way forward and then standing straight up, you know your 560 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: defense is going to be different. Obviously, by virtue of 561 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 1: the stand switch, you're cheating that position a little bit. 562 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: Just by walking up. You had to kind of, you know, 563 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:51,199 Speaker 1: either reset or change stances or bring your hands up 564 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: or so there had to be some kind of re 565 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: evaluation of that moment rather than just inching forward in 566 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: that stance kind of reaching out in front of you. 567 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: There's just not there's just not enough defense there. There's 568 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: not enough defense there. And Mike Mallott. For him to 569 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: be able to take that kind of pressure and then 570 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: slip off the center line and then throw and then 571 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 1: bring the left. That was fantastic, fantastic from Mike Mallott. 572 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: What a perfectly placed shot, big athletic power. He brought 573 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 1: it to bear. And again I'm gonna keep saying that, dude, 574 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: these guys who can slip punches versus the ones who can't. 575 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: I'm not saying Mickey gaul can. I think he may 576 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: have a little bit in this fight actually, But in general, 577 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: as a rule to think about you hear me say 578 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: it all the time. There's a gonna be a huge 579 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: there's already developing. It's only going to widen. The ones 580 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 1: who can slip versus the ones who can't. In anime 581 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 1: is gonna be a massively important dividing line. And that's 582 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: just not true as a general skill. But fight to fight. 583 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: When you can do it, can you slip under certain 584 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: considerations and not under others, All of those are gonna 585 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: be brought to bear. The ones who can slip most 586 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: of the time are gonna have exponential advantages over their competitors. 587 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: And you saw that here as well. It brings them 588 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: into position and creates vulnerability for you to attack or 589 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: it's a it's a very narrow window, but once you 590 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: open it, you can, I mean, you can just absolutely 591 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: devour people with it. So sick win by Mike Mallott. 592 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: And as I mentioned, for Mickey Gall seven and five, 593 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 1: he's three, he's one in three in his last four 594 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 1: he has losses to Perry Morno and ma Lot. The 595 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: only win was the Jordan Williams one, which is a 596 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 1: nice win. But I don't I don't know what uf 597 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: He's gonna do with him. This is a bit of 598 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: a cautionary tale. I'm afraid you do have to at 599 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: least respect the fact that he has made it an effort. 600 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: Mickey Gall, I think he has. You know, he went 601 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: to Joe Shilling's team. I think that was probably a 602 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: good move for him. He switched it up away to 603 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: Stanford MMA, probably another good move all things considered. But 604 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: once you're at the UFC, you have to be very 605 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: careful about your development. And this is why I always 606 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,479 Speaker 1: tell people people develop in different ways. You know, at 607 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: this point, John Jones wouldn't have needed as much, you 608 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: know that careful matchman like, yeah, careful matchmaking around the 609 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: right kind of fights. He probably would have been a 610 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: little bit more fight ready. Well that's him, that's not 611 00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: going to be a lot of other guys. This is 612 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: why rush the Ian Gary's and in different ways, the 613 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: Patty Pimblets and whoever else. Granted Patty has more experience 614 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: than Ian Gary, but certainly on the regional scene. But 615 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: even then, you really, really really want to be careful 616 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: about how you progress these guys because once it starts going, 617 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: it's hard to undo. So you got to make sure 618 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: that the escalation is happening at the right time, and 619 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: that can come, as I mentioned, not just getting to 620 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: the UFC, but getting into the top ten, getting into 621 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: the top five, becoming a title contender. They have to 622 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: make sure that all of these thresholds are crossed when 623 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: they are supposed to be crossed, otherwise development can get 624 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: badly affected. It's just hard to get better when you're 625 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: under this kind of duress about making sure everything you 626 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: need is already there. You needed time before that to 627 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: bring all of them to bear, and then you can 628 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: mix and match them as needed. That's what the very 629 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: best ones do, very quickly, very quickly. For honorable mention, 630 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: I had indicated Anthony Hernandez and Josh Framm having an 631 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: absolute war out there. What a ridiculously crazy fight. Anthony 632 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: Hernandez a amazing grappler. I was blown away. I did 633 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: not see that coming from him. And also his gas 634 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: tank was phenomenal. He was giving it to friend, then 635 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: friend gave it to him, and then he turned the 636 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: tides once more to really kind of claim that fight. 637 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: Great job from Anthony Hernandez, salute, what a performance by him. 638 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: And then Julio Arse out of I think Corona Queens, 639 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: New York, Little Columbia in many ways, defeating Daniel Santos 640 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: thirty twenty seven on two of the judges scorecards, twenty 641 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: nine to twenty eight on another one. Dude, he was 642 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: his footwork was great, his jab was great. I mean 643 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: that it just looked like he'd been really working on 644 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: that for a long time. Dude, Julio Arse screams, last 645 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: guy in the gym. Just you can just tell, you 646 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: can just tell that this dude has put in a 647 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: ton of work to make sure his movement looks crisp 648 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: and clean. It's his intentionality is clear, his defense is 649 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: already you know, yes, he's making reads, but it's already 650 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: muscle memory about where he needs to be and he 651 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: what signs do you need to see to begin to escalate, 652 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: to get more volume out, what fans are working, which 653 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: ones are not? How do I bring them back? But dude, 654 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: that was all set up from his footwork. That was 655 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: all set up from footwork. That was a fun nomenal 656 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: display of getting yourself into and out of position as 657 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: as required, absorbing pressure as he did and making sure 658 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: that you know, listen, it's the basics footwork, the jab. 659 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: But dude, you're seeing with skilled with skilled technicians like 660 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: Julio R say, you can see the value in phenomenal 661 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,719 Speaker 1: footwork and a great job. And of course there's more 662 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: to it than just that, but those two building blocks alone, boy, 663 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: if you have those dialed in, those will do a 664 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: lot for you. Phenomenal job by him as well. So 665 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: congrats to all the winners and chin up to all 666 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: the losers because there's always another tomorrow. 667 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, thank you guys so much for watching 668 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 2: the podcast. Thumbs up. 669 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: I appreciate it, and got more coming your way. Got 670 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: a big surprise coming to you, I think tomorrow. I 671 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: hope we'll see how it goes, but until next time, 672 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: appreciate y'all watching, enjoy the fights,