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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Fire Drill. On this week's episode,

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Speaker 1: Matt Janella joined us. So it was Michael Alan, myself

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Speaker 1: really talked a lot about VJ. And it really went

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Speaker 1: a lot of places like the Fire Drill is supposed

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Speaker 1: to do, places that I didn't expect. Matt tells some

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Speaker 1: stories about a photo shoot. We obviously talk dear Antler

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Speaker 1: Who knew. I didn't know that you put it under

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Speaker 1: your tongue, but I learned that today. Um. Yeah. But

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Speaker 1: we talked a lot about his career and good things,

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Speaker 1: bad things. It was really very interesting, one of those

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Speaker 1: moments when I'm on this podcast that I kind of, uh,

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Speaker 1: sit back and try to listen because it's great stories

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Speaker 1: from guys who have had firsthand experience at Allan and

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Speaker 1: Michael and Matt with him. So it was great. Talked

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Speaker 1: about PNC obviously, UM and Tiger and Charlie and and

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Speaker 1: just all the things that come with it. Tiger as

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Speaker 1: to chill delf out about like everything that Charlie does. Um.

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Speaker 1: We don't need to be that into Charlie. There can

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Speaker 1: And then lastly, uh, we talked about O W g

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Speaker 1: a little bit sideways at times UM, and he came

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Speaker 1: four of us this week talking golf. I got in

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Speaker 1: thinking about Hello and welcome back to their Fire Drill podcast.

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Speaker 1: This is Alan Schipnuk. I am joined by Michael Bamberger

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Speaker 1: and Ryan French as always, and we have our our

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Speaker 1: was under some bridges battling various trolls and thought we'd

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Speaker 1: but we will. We will start with the the events

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Speaker 1: of the day. I mean, it's it's a goat factory

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Speaker 1: the the the ego playing field out a bit. And

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Speaker 1: you watch fathers who aren't as good as their sons

429
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Speaker 1: or as their good as their daughters, and you watch

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Speaker 1: them it's just it's like it's just the best version now.

431
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Speaker 1: It just brings out the best in people. I think

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Speaker 1: it's when you start mixing generational stuff up around this

433
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,719
Speaker 1: competitive landscape, it tends to I don't know, it just

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Speaker 1: this is a good reason why we look forward to

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Speaker 1: this event. It's why we look forward two events that

436
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Speaker 1: involve either our fathers or our sons or daughters, or

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00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 1: we watch you know. Yeah, I don't know. Just there's

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Speaker 1: something about that and the game that no other sport

439
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 1: really is able to accomplish, and so that in itself

440
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 1: also deserves to be noted in my opinion, it's well said.

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Speaker 1: And and just a quick note on on Tiger's other

442
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Speaker 1: child is is Uh, everyone knows he's got an older daughter, Sam,

443
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,439
Speaker 1: and she was I think she's shy by nature. If

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00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 1: you know, we've all seen around a little bit. Uh,

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00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: you know that the son Charlie is kind of a

446
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 1: him and outgoing and and that's delightful. But she's just

447
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: a different personality. But at the Hall of Fame induction

448
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 1: where she introduced to her father, she was so poised

449
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:07,679
Speaker 1: and so intelligent and funny and insightful and um, and

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Speaker 1: it's neat. I don't think any of us would ever

451
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 1: want to trade places with Tiger Woods. I mean, we're all,

452
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 1: I know, we all take being fathers very seriously ourselves.

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Speaker 1: Ryan's Tiger's age and has, like Tiger, a son and

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Speaker 1: a daughter and uh, you know, we have the advantage

455
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 1: of raising our children and anonymity, and uh it's a

456
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: much much much better way to grow up. Uh. Tigraph

457
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 1: of course doesn't have that, and those kids won't have that,

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Speaker 1: So there are challenges. We can never really understand it.

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00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: But to see and we just see little glimpses, but

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Speaker 1: to see glimpses of these kids that seem to be

461
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Speaker 1: very well adjusted, happy, intelligent, caring kids, it really is

462
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: a great tribute to Tigers. I think of Tiger. I

463
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Speaker 1: think of Tiger as a I like to think that

464
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Speaker 1: I have a lot of empathy for Tiger and in

465
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Speaker 1: my mind and I wouldn't say this of Jack or

466
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: Arnold and very as others. I think is that a

467
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 1: very very trying, difficult life. So I think it speaks

468
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,239
Speaker 1: very well for for Tire and definitely for Ellen as

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Speaker 1: well to see these kids, uh coming out when they

470
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Speaker 1: do make these public appearances um as as they do,

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Speaker 1: and I think even deserves some credit to right because

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Speaker 1: these kids are obviously got they've got some really good balance.

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Speaker 1: From from where we sit and what we see, they've

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Speaker 1: got some pretty nice good uh you know, head on

475
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Speaker 1: their shoulders, so to speak. It seems to me, they

476
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: seem pretty well grounded and rounded. You know, we'll we'll

477
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Speaker 1: see how it all evolves. But boy, I mean that

478
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Speaker 1: that to me, considering what Tiger has been going through

479
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Speaker 1: and has dealt with, and Tiger being Tiger, for these

480
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Speaker 1: kids to be who they are in this these situations

481
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Speaker 1: and with microphones in front of their faces, or leading

482
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Speaker 1: them the large of their father into the World Golf

483
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, it's pretty It's pretty impressive, and I

484
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: think she deserves a big chunk of credit for that too.

485
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 1: I also think that the fascination with Charlie needs to

486
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: like tone down a bit as a general media Like,

487
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 1: I mean a Brennan breath said at best, like the

488
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 1: PGA tour took a picture of his divid patterns and

489
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: and Brennan's tweet underneath of it was like it just said,

490
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,959
Speaker 1: for fox sake, you know, is divid patterns. And it's like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's like, again, he's never going to

492
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Speaker 1: be his father. It's impossible, Like, just let the kid live.

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Speaker 1: I get the interest, I understand it, and I'm all

494
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: for it for a week at a time, but let's

495
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: just chill. I mean, the kid is thirteen and he's

496
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 1: like the hundred and fiftieth best player in Florida or

497
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Speaker 1: something like. He's a very good player. He's got a

498
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: great swing. But just I don't think we need to

499
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Speaker 1: take pictures of his divid pattern. Okay, like, just take

500
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: a breath. There's a there's a fine line between Stocking

501
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: and thirteen year old and in wrist in Tiger Woods

502
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: as a kid, Like, let's find that. Totally agree, that's

503
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: well said. I mean, I was. I was explaining the

504
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: interest in Charlie justsone who's not really a golf fan,

505
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: and she said, isn't that like a lot of pressure?

506
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 1: Why is he even doing that to a sudden to

507
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 1: make him play in this event? And I said, well,

508
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 1: you could try, and if your tiger, you can try

509
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,959
Speaker 1: and give your kids a normal childhood. But it's impossible anyway,

510
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: and especially if one of them is into golf, Like like,

511
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: there's no scenario where Charlie Woods can have a normal childhood.

512
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 1: It's just not in the realm of of of human existence.

513
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 1: So I think it makes sense they're kind of slowly

514
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: introducing him to performing and and you know, obviously Tigers

515
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: do interviews of this favorite people like Sanzy and it's

516
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 1: still a pretty controlled environment, and it's kind of this

517
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: this year by year evolution, and I don't think you

518
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 1: can it just if Charlie wants to play golf, and

519
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 1: clearly he does. I mean, unfortunately, his last name is

520
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 1: Woods and people are going to pay attention. So I

521
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: think they're doing a pretty nice job of bringing him

522
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: along slowly, and it doesn't seem like he's out there

523
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 1: grinding on them the big time junior golf circuit and

524
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: he just kind of does this thing, and um, I

525
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: think it's commendable. There's there's no right or wrong way

526
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,239
Speaker 1: to do it, but I appreciate the restraints, you know,

527
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 1: like I'm sure he Charlie could have already committed to

528
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: Stanford by now if they wanted to make that announcement.

529
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 1: You know, there's but they're just they're keeping things low key,

530
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 1: and I think that's probably the right path forward. Yeah.

531
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: I don't think it's Tiger's fault. I think it's media.

532
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: I mean, again, most of it is the PGA Tour.

533
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: And again, I they're just as a fine line. I'm

534
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: I'm I understand he's your best player. I understand you

535
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: get to promote him, But there's just a line the

536
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: kids thirteen years old, like, let's just let's just chill

537
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: out here for a minute. So, Matt, the reason we

538
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: wanted to have you on, especially this week, and we

539
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: are I think as as this Fire Drill podcast evolves,

540
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: will have more and more of our our colleagues pop on,

541
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: just keep things fresh and offer some different perspectives. But

542
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: which is always a great thing. But um, you put

543
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: out a tweet about the world ranking, you know, on

544
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: the occasion of Dustin Johnson falling out the top forty

545
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: in which was obviously a joke because there's not It's

546
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: not thirty nine players on the planet better than Dustin, um,

547
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: no matter how you slice it. But um, it created

548
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: a lot of engagement, a lot of conversation. Why don't

549
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: you recap your stance on the world ranking and then

550
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: how things escalated from there. Well, it was just that

551
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: I just you know, I tend to shoot first and

552
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: then ask questions later. But you know, I saw a

553
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: tweet out Dustin Johnson fell out of the top fourty

554
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: according to the official World Golf Rankings, and it was like, um,

555
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: well this just the optics of this just doesn't make

556
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: any sense. You know, I Dustin Johnson is Dustin Johnson.

557
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: I played with him at a dare manner. He is

558
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: definitely better than then party players roaming the planet. And

559
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: if they were official, if there's such a thing as

560
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: the official World Golf Ranking and it's not, you know,

561
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: and he's not in the top forty, there may be something.

562
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: There may be a flaw on the system. And it

563
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: was literally like, I doesn't this doesn't make any sense

564
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,479
Speaker 1: to me. And then you know, if you do some

565
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: deep dive into the official, the official World Golf Ranking

566
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: and you see who's on the board, and you see

567
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: the criteria and you see that it you know, sort

568
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: of got changed as of August that you know, continues

569
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: to make it more difficult for you know, one could

570
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: argue not just the live tour, but other tours to

571
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: try to get points. The system may need, may need

572
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Speaker 1: another overhaul. And you know, I listened to the Fried

573
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Speaker 1: Eggs podcast. Garrett Morrison had a statistician Joe Lamanna, but

574
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: even the way he pronounces his name on who was

575
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: tremendous he was. It was a great podcast, um and

576
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: it was very informative, and you know, I listened to

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00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: it after I made it comes because a lot of people, uh,

578
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: you know, escalated because you know, people getting personal and

579
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: then accusing us of being shills for Live. Like I

580
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: I that's easy to dismiss because we're obviously not that

581
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: we are not. We are not pro We're not pro Live,

582
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: and we're not pro tour. We're just pro truth and sensibility.

583
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: That's the way I like to look at who we are.

584
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: Our collection of perspectives offers just that, a collection of

585
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: perspectives based on who we are, our sensibilities and are

586
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: you know, sort of what we want for a game

587
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: that we all love. We that that that's that's also

588
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: at the core of who we are as a company

589
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: is a is a collection of people who generally love

590
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: this game of golf for wide variety of reasons. From

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00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: the professional standpoint, to me, if you're going to have

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00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: something called the Official World Golf Ranking and it's not

593
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: ranking the world of competitive golf, then there's a problem

594
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: with it. Now you can say is Live competitive? And

595
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: now I think there's issues with there's there's These are

596
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: two separate conversations. What is Live and what is their purpose?

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00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: What is the Official World Golf Ranking and what is

598
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: its purpose? What is the PGA Tour and what what

599
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: role does the tour have in controlling all of this?

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00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: And then then then there's extensions to that that I

601
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: have issue with, and the tours control over media and

602
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: the narrative around the sport, the lack of transparency around

603
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,959
Speaker 1: the game. We don't find out what why people get

604
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: fined or or or suspended. You know, all of that,

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00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot to unpack. And so as it

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00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: released the official World Golf Ranking, I think you know

607
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: and live and whether or not you know, I think

608
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: both both need to move in order to make this

609
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: a system that works for the greater good of the

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00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: game and competitive golf. Uh. And that's just what I

611
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: believe and that you know, that's it's you know, it

612
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: is complicated, and it's not easy to answer or to

613
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: come up with the scenario that accounts for all of this,

614
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: But I think making you know, the criteria of having

615
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: a cut seventy two holes for majority of events, having

616
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: a way to peer, having field of seventy five or more,

617
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: have an open qualifying process, you can go through each

618
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: one of those and and and argue the merits of

619
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,719
Speaker 1: each one of those as it relates to the Official

620
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: World Golfering but at the end of the day, out

621
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: of the gates based on who's on the board and

622
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: the fact that it calls itself o w g R

623
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: Official World Golf Ranking, and you've got a bunch of

624
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: really good players who are who are falling down that

625
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: ranking system because they're not playing in an event that

626
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: Matt's Matt's Dow's criteria. I think there there's there's issues

627
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: to take with a lot of it and all of

628
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: it and on both sides. Yeah, well, I mean that's

629
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: a good overview. I mean, I think the strong reactions

630
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: to your tweet, it's just part of a larger issue

631
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: in modern life and especially social media, Like there's you

632
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: have to pick a side, you have to pick a

633
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: side immediately, and you have to defend it to the

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00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: death no matter what. And um so it's like when

635
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: live has been so polarizing, I think all of us

636
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: are larger. We are trying to play it down the

637
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: middle where we you know, I've said this before. I

638
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: don't know if on this podcast or elsewhere, but my

639
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,479
Speaker 1: idea of balance is to be critical of both sides,

640
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: and I think I've done that of the tour and

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Speaker 1: of live. I've also celebrated there, uh their breakthroughs and

642
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: and they're they're good ideas, but um, it's just like

643
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: if if, if you don't, if you don't stake out

644
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,959
Speaker 1: a very black and white position, it confuses people, I think.

645
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 1: And so the fact that that we're trying to see

646
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: the nuance and were trying to be balanced, um and

647
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: almost like upsets folks because they just they want to

648
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: know which campion are you on my side or the

649
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: other side? It's us versus them, And that doesn't leave

650
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: a lot of room for for subtlety and for discussions.

651
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 1: So that that was just the latest example, I think

652
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 1: the very strong reaction to your tweet and and the

653
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: accusations that you know, we're working for a live which

654
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: is obviously ridiculous for those who bother to listen to

655
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: podcasts and read the stories and don't just live in

656
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: the twitter sphere. But I'd love to hear Ryan's take two.

657
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: I mean, and and I know I've heard bits and

658
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: pieces of it, but as it relates to the other

659
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: two and and the other thing is is I generally

660
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: and in the corner of the little guy, the dreamers

661
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 1: and that's you know that that's another podcast I'm working on.

662
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: That's in defense of a tweet I sent out or

663
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: I was on a podcast and it got stripped out,

664
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna do a club pro podcast and and

665
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: it's and you know, I'm dropping that next week. But

666
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: I wanted to hear Ryan's perspective on all of this

667
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: as a really official World Golf ranking and and and

668
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: the trickle down effect of what the new criterias is

669
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: going to have on other tours beyond Live. Yeah, I

670
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: mean there's a lot of guys, you know, a live

671
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty obvious eventually needs to get it,

672
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: whether they have to adjust or meet in the middle,

673
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,479
Speaker 1: I mean it. We talked the three of us talked

674
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: at on a couple of weeks ago. It's like, if

675
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: if camp Smith falls down, the Dustin is a great example,

676
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: but camp Smith nowadays is even a better example. It's

677
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: like he's gonna eventually fall down the rankings. Now he

678
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: just wants so on a O W g R tour,

679
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 1: But like if he falls down, then it just becomes

680
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: a joke at some point, like you know, you're not

681
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: better than if the if he falls down to seventh,

682
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: the sixth ranked guy knows he's not better than the

683
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: camp Smith and it becomes a joke as it's you know,

684
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: slowly becoming so they have to adjust. But as an

685
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: overall thing, you know, I mean the guys on the

686
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: Asian Tour, um guys on the European Tour, and you're

687
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: seeing top guys like rom talking, uh, you know, talk

688
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: about it. I mean Travis Smith one on the one

689
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: on the Asian Tour and got I think four point

690
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: four seven points or maybe it was Andy who won.

691
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: And it's like it's, you know, everyone thinks it's a

692
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: joke at this point, or there's at least very big frustrations,

693
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: right like these guys like Travis Smith has tried to

694
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: make it here and you know hasn't got through Q school.

695
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: Asian Tour is a place to play and if he

696
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: plays well, he should be rewarded for it. And um,

697
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: you know if the with the new changes to O

698
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: W G r uh not giving as many points to

699
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: these foreign tours, you know, it's it's tough and and

700
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: and I think it hurts the world game in general

701
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: because maybe it was inflated over and the tour. But

702
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: I mean Tom Kim is a great exam ample. Tom

703
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: Kim became a known name because of O. W. Jerr.

704
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: He got in the top hundred playing overseas and playing

705
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: on the Korean Tour and playing on the Asian Tour

706
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: and getting in the top hundred in the world, then

707
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: eventually coming over here and now he's a huge part

708
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,919
Speaker 1: of what the PGA Tour is doing right now if

709
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: he is facing the same points problems that the players are. Now,

710
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: do we ever hear of Tom Kim? You know, he

711
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: would have never It's almost impossible to get in the

712
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: top hunter playing the Asian Tour right now, so you know,

713
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 1: and and these guys Michael and Allen have talked about

714
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: it more. I mean like it was, it was brought

715
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: up to it was made up basically. So is there

716
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: just a better exploded all together and just find a

717
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: better way, or as Michael has said, is it just

718
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: get rid of it and figure out a way to

719
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: let the majors just decide for themselves. What are the

720
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: parameters to get in the four Majors? I mean, all

721
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: the rain kings are are created by humans, So whether

722
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: it's the Sagaran rankings or it's data golf, or it's

723
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: the World Rankings and the official World Rankings. Someone has

724
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: to decide what's going to go into the the algorithm,

725
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: and there's debates and there's public comments, and there's votes

726
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: and there's meetings. Ultimately it comes down to humans making

727
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: those decisions. And that's all three of those rankings are

728
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: are different. They they reach a snapshot of who's playing

729
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: the best in any given moment, but they have their

730
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: own biases and flaws and so, um, it's just because

731
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: the ranking exists in one way, it doesn't mean it's

732
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 1: the right way. It can always be tweaked and improved.

733
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: In the history of the w g rs are always

734
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: changing it, and so maybe they the pendulum swung too

735
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: far and they do need to tweak it. So just

736
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 1: because it is doesn't mean it's the right way. People

737
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: kind of be like, well, that's it's the ranking, that's

738
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: what it is. Well, it's it's changeable, it's fixable, it's tweakable,

739
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: and um, so you know what we're gonna say, Mike,

740
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: as Alan and I and others have said many times,

741
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 1: it was a mark getting ploy by a very clever man,

742
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: Mark McCormick, who was the founder of IMG to get

743
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: his international players into events in the first place. Dean

744
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: Beaman explained that to me the other day. So like

745
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: we know why the American Constitution was written and it

746
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: was sound, the reason why this thing started in the

747
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 1: first place is not sound. And then add to Allan's point,

748
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: uh with all you know, I don't know what the

749
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,280
Speaker 1: numbers are, but you know, it seems like there's two numbers,

750
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: a dot, and then many decimal places after that. It

751
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: makes it sound like it's scientific. As Alan just pointed out,

752
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,919
Speaker 1: there's no science behind it. And just as you can't

753
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: compare Walter Johnson and Bob Gibson, you can't compare a

754
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: wide open golf course uh is somewhere in Asia with

755
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: you know something that they're playing let's say Colonial with

756
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,720
Speaker 1: the rough up. It's folly. The whole thing is folly.

757
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 1: And now Davis said half as a joke, but maybe

758
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: half seriously, just get rid of it all together. It

759
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: really does not serve her purpose. It's really just on

760
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:10,959
Speaker 1: the basis alone, it's impossible. It is impossible to rank

761
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: players playing all over the world in all sorts of

762
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: different conditions under uh under with different quality of fields.

763
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: It's an impossible task. It's a fool's errand and I

764
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: don't really see how it's serving golf at all. And

765
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: I think that the live PGA Tour event and if

766
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: we're getting paid by Saudi rab and the Lift Tour,

767
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: Matt's holding out checks from me. So if we got

768
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: any checks from the Lift Tour, Matt, I'll send my address.

769
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 1: Because everyone says we're chills, but Ryan's eager to sell out.

770
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: But no, yeah, I'm totally fine with selling out. I

771
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: mean if they have Monday qualifies and they're like two

772
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: million anyway, Uh, the the I mean the pettiness on

773
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: both sides of this fight. Obviously the Lift Tours. But

774
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: if you're the PGA Tour and and you sit on

775
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: that board of the o W g R Pelly and

776
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: and and the PGA Tour and can't look at that

777
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: without any who you're on, what side you're on, and

778
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: know that you're a biased ranking system, then then we

779
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 1: need someone else to to take care of the official rankings.

780
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: Like you can't just sit down there and say hey,

781
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: here's all the people and like they shouldn't get any

782
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: Now what if they adjust, are you still gonna say

783
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: they're not gonna. They shouldn't get any because again, the

784
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: pettiness makes me concerned about OW. It makes me concerned

785
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 1: about the future of golf in general, but just pertaining

786
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: the o w g R. If you if you sit

787
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: on the board of the o w g R and

788
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: look across at the field of the Live Tour and

789
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: don't think that they should maybe they need to adjust.

790
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they don't need to adjust. If you

791
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: look at that field and don't think there should be

792
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: some way that they are included in the rankings, then

793
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you. You're you're not

794
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: looking at objectively. I don't like the Live Tour, I've

795
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: said it many times, but they have a good feel

796
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: and they probably deserve some world ranking points however that

797
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 1: comes to be. And if you can't think that, then

798
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: you're not thinking straight. Like if you're accusing me of

799
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: being a live uh shill, you know you're being a

800
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: PGA Tour shill or whatever she'll or you hate Live

801
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: she'll because I don't like Live, I despise the political

802
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: I've despised the format, all that stuff. It still includes

803
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: some of the best golfers in the world. There is

804
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 1: no argument. You can't argue that. And so to say

805
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 1: that they shouldn't get some based on that, on how

806
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: many holes they play in all that, it's ridiculous. Well

807
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 1: to say they can't play on the PGA Tour and

808
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: you can't get points, you can't like how many more

809
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: like and we're on the board where I'm on the board,

810
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: Jamon hands off the point, like how many layers of

811
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: like dysfunction do you have to reveal before you're like, yeah,

812
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 1: maybe this isn't probably the right system either, you know

813
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: what I mean. I do have I do have some

814
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 1: reporting on this because I was speaking on the phone

815
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: with a member of the o w g R board.

816
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: You know, it's the it's the inner sanctum. They don't

817
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 1: want their name used publicly. But this person said that

818
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 1: despite all the mud slinging and the name calling, there's

819
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: actually a lot of communication between the institution of the

820
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: o w g R and Live Golf, and things are happening,

821
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: and um he he didn't think it was going to

822
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: be resolved publicly by the time of the Masters, but

823
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: it sounds like shortly they're after. I think there's gonna

824
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: be some there will be some changes whether and I

825
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: get the feeling it's on both both from Live more

826
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 1: from the O w g R and how they're gonna

827
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 1: they're gonna deal with Live and that some sort of

828
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: solution is being brokered. And then it sounds like the

829
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: conversations are productive. And you know, he said, the institution

830
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: is succeeding in that w R has criteria that have

831
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: comment periods, They have conversations with many tours around the world,

832
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: and it's a there's give and take about what these

833
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: tours can do to qualify what what And he said

834
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: it's no different. And so even though I don't think

835
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: Live on Live once it publicly is that it's a

836
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: closed shop and it's say they're aligned against us and

837
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: they're screwing us over that, the reality is that there's

838
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: a lot of communication going on and that OB Jr.

839
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: Is trying to find a solution. Now this this was one,

840
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: this is one member of the board. I didn't um,

841
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: but I have no reason to doubt what he's telling me.

842
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,280
Speaker 1: And it gives a little context to this. So we'll

843
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: see how it plays out. But um, I don't think

844
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: we're gonna get to do some you know what a

845
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: year from now, I don't think we're still gonna be

846
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: talking about this. There will have been some sort of

847
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: meeting of the minds and and one step towards kind

848
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: of reunifying a fractured professional game. And that that's a

849
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: very big statement now, and because if they actually do

850
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: go down that path, then that is the PGA Tour

851
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,919
Speaker 1: acknowledging that lived tour is legitimate. And that's been very

852
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 1: hard for them to say. And to Ryan's point about

853
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: just how petty and crazy the whole thing is, No,

854
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: this really didn't get much focused this year. But the

855
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: idea that the RNA, which presents itself and its championship

856
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 1: with a great deal of confidence, disinvited Greg Norman from

857
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: its champions dinner. He is a former champions one of

858
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: the thing twice and now we can't come to your

859
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: dinner just because you don't like what he's doing politically,

860
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 1: and he can't play in your you know, your four

861
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: whole exhibition. I mean that in itself showed such an

862
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: intense level of pettiness that it's, uh, Bobby Jones will

863
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: be spinning in his grave. So you know, to the

864
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: question of you know, what's what's the Master's gonna do

865
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: or what the what's the u s you're gonna do?

866
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: If they want to be true to their actual convention

867
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: conviction convictions, they have to invite anybody who qualifies. They

868
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 1: can't possibly even think about blocking somebody because of their

869
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: association with Live Tour. It's not like they're Unhel Cabrera

870
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: in jail. They've just decided to play professional golf elsewhere

871
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: for a startup. To use Hudson Swofford's term, which was

872
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: kind of rich, but he's like, I just changed jobs.

873
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: I went to a startup. Like, well, it's not it's

874
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 1: not two guys in the in their garage. You know this.

875
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: This is a well capitalized startup. But um yeah, I agree,

876
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: And we've kicked this around before. There's no way Augusta

877
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,919
Speaker 1: is not going to invite people are otherwise qualified. That's

878
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: not going to happen. Dustin will be there, cam Smith

879
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: will be there, Phil will be there. But where it

880
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: does get interesting is if you look at the world

881
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: rankings right now, there's there's a handful of Live guys

882
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: who were in the mid forties of the o w

883
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: g R Top fifty at the end of this year.

884
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: In two weeks get into the masters and Taylor Gooch

885
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: is one. He's in the lightning rod all year. Um

886
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: Kevin Naw you know, one of the original kind of

887
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: lived defectors, Brian Coke Wrack. There's there's there's a there's

888
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: a few guys, oh Harold Varner. They're hanging on by

889
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,919
Speaker 1: their fingernales that top fifty spot. And how the math

890
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: works out in the next couple of weeks is gonna

891
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 1: be fascinating. And um, so I don't think that there

892
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: obviously not headliners, but any of those guys are good

893
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: enough to win a Master's if they're in the field potentially,

894
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: and so if they if they slip out of the

895
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: top fifty, um, that's gonna be a big talking point,

896
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: and that that will put a little pressure on the

897
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: Green Jackets because um they do have the ability to

898
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,720
Speaker 1: invite anybody they want beyond um that that top fifties.

899
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: So we'll see how that plays out. That to me

900
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: is actually really interesting piece of it. The big guys

901
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: are going to be there, they've were in their right.

902
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: Fred really is not going to stand in the schoolhouse

903
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: door and prevent them from from coming coming, you know,

904
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: onto the property. That's just not how happening. But guys

905
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: who you know, the Masters can always sold by the criteria.

906
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: The criteria, we're not going to change it. Then there's

907
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: gonna be some live casualties. And that's a little more interesting.

908
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: A byproduct of these guys who are in there early

909
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: to mid forties who may have a hard time competing

910
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: against these guys who are coming up in the early

911
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: twenties and are kind of lost with trying to figure

912
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 1: out a career path is a byproduct of the tour

913
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:36,720
Speaker 1: not moving that age from the Champions Tour from fifty

914
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: down to whatever, maybe forty five or forty four, and

915
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: giving guys this tweener path between either staying and competing

916
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: on the tour or going to what would be a

917
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: Champions Tour and not evolving with sort of the the younger,

918
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: the youth movement of the game. Again, this all it

919
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 1: keeps layering and layering around, like of what else was

920
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 1: Hendrik Stenson or Paul Casey or Lee West, what were

921
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: these guys supposed to do? Just not play for five

922
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: years and just you know, pack it up. Like again,

923
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: it's just the whole thing is fascinating to me, uh,

924
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: you know, and and your world ranking the board of

925
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: the world, ranking the rules of what you can and

926
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: can't do, what is ranked or not ranked, raising the

927
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: price of Q school in the middle of all of

928
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: this craziness that gets you under the corn Farry Tour,

929
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: which means to me, again, the richest kids make it

930
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: and not the best kids. And then what becomes the

931
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: PGA Tour five years, ten years from now if we

932
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: keep making it harder, more expensive to try to make

933
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: it to the tour like it, you know, And this

934
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: is why, this is why I think Ryan has has

935
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: built such an incredible following based on his his focus

936
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: on what we deemed dreamers, and why we're going to

937
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: launch this series called The Grind, showcasing what it's like

938
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: for these people out there on these you know, on

939
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 1: this adventurous journey to try to make it. It's it

940
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,439
Speaker 1: all feeds down into that, right like that. That's why

941
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: I say I'm not pro live, I'm sort of anti

942
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: tour and if and if this disruption needed to happen,

943
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: in which we're able to, you know, pull back the

944
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 1: cover on the control the tour has had on professional

945
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: golf and the monopolistic control over professional golf that in

946
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: itself is worth rooting for. To me, media rights, you know,

947
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: the narratives, and I use that example all the time.

948
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: Rex Hoggard is a really good reporter. He's a quality guy.

949
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: This has nothing to do with Rex Haggard, but on

950
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: that court case in Northern California when it was lived

951
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: players versus the PGA Tour and Rex Hagger's reporting live

952
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: outside that courtroom wearing a PGA Tour logo on his shirt,

953
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: That to me is a big part of the problem.

954
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: And he was doing that without irony. We were supposed to,

955
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: as consumers of the news of the game on the

956
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,879
Speaker 1: golf channel, supposed to, uh, you know, take that in

957
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: without irony or or you know, understanding of the situation.

958
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: It's crazy to me. Did you guys happen to see

959
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: this Bob Riley from PNC Bank get on with the

960
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 1: Dan Hicks today. He was wearing a blue shirt with

961
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: no logo on it. I'm like, that's shocker. You're supposed

962
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 1: to be selling p NC. It was kind of delightful,

963
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: but I couldn't believe it. I personally love the CEO interview.

964
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite parts Arey telecast. It's so

965
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: crazy and it's so bad it's good, like I look

966
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,760
Speaker 1: forward to it and was good today. The first company

967
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: that goes, you know, I'm not gonna put like if

968
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: just say, hey, we're gonna skip the CEO interview to

969
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,760
Speaker 1: spare all of you, like it's gonna be the biggest

970
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: thing on Twitter ever. You know, like the CEO of

971
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: PNC knows you're gonna be bored shitless if he comes here,

972
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 1: so we're gonna skip that interview, and everybody's gonna go,

973
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm going I'm switching all my money to PNC right now.

974
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: I think if the CEO came on and said, I know,

975
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: the last thing you want to do is here from me,

976
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: So I am going to take my microphone off, I'm

977
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: gonna get up off this set. I'm gonna go back

978
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 1: where I belong, which is in the corporate hospitality tent

979
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: with all of my top clients, and I'm gonna leave

980
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: this to the professionals and they can communicate to you

981
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: how good we are at what we do and how

982
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 1: much money we're spending to support this tour. Did you

983
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: hear oticas p NC shout out at the end, That

984
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: shows you what a hard invitation this thing is to

985
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: get She went directly into the camera with it. She

986
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: wasn't just like in passing. She was like turned to

987
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: the camera and was like thank you to p n c. Oh, yeah, no,

988
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: there was there was. You can probably get into this

989
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: field anytime. It was one of the greats of all time.

990
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: Not to take anyway from Anka, but she does have

991
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: that burnhard, longer Germanic kind of quality. Of course she's

992
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 1: a Swede. But when she talks about her heart doing

993
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: this and the tears behind her glasses, but in that

994
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: dead flat on away, it just actually makes me laugh.

995
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: It was the most emotional moment of my entire life.

996
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,720
Speaker 1: She said, this was really kids, like just laughing and giggling,

997
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: and she's like it was. The kid was great. We

998
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: had a lot of swag. Man, he's walking in Potts

999
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: wearing Jordan's I mean, shout out to Will Sorenstam who

1000
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: made it fun for sure. Well, another reason there should

1001
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: be an agement on the PC. Okay, I support it. Yeah,

1002
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: when when you're a grandfather you shouldn't be able to

1003
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: play with your child like you know. I mean, I

1004
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: don't know if cast has any kids or not, but

1005
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 1: it's getting it's getting. That's what I'm susy. Any board

1006
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 1: that has any input into the greater scheme of like

1007
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: the game of golf from a pressure professional standpoint, that

1008
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: doesn't have Ryan French on that board, I'm not for

1009
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: it anymore. I'm gonna draw a hard line on if

1010
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be the guy, I'm gonna be the guy

1011
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: who tells Charlie Woods's he's peaked. I was like, unfortunately, Charlie,

1012
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: if you've over, I would give you that. I would

1013
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: let you have that, make that help, make that like

1014
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: you should be on the board of the O W

1015
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: g R as a kind of a face and a

1016
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: and a and a and a supporter of all the

1017
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: other tours out there, making sure you know, doing what

1018
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 1: you know. Probably Keith Kelly tried to do, but probably

1019
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 1: I got voted, got got out voted on the board

1020
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: by all the others. But I mean, I just think

1021
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: you gotta like, why don't we go around and collect

1022
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,720
Speaker 1: a little bit of perspective from a variety of different

1023
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: entry points instead of just like the Boys Club that's

1024
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: in control of the the the upper echelon of golf, Like,

1025
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 1: how was there not players on the board of the

1026
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: o w g R like a little possible, but yeah,

1027
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: it would be nice if not every important decision in

1028
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: golf was made in the grill room at seminole. Right,

1029
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: we need we need a few different perspective bit of

1030
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: you know, like to be a former player could get

1031
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 1: on the old w g R. Yeah, and a foremer

1032
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: player would make sense. It was like Nick Price going

1033
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: to the U s g A like that that made

1034
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,760
Speaker 1: I like that, you know, Jason Gore before him. Certainly

1035
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 1: having having guys who've who have been between the ropes

1036
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: is valuable. I agree Ryan French for president. I put

1037
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: Ryan on the Empreme Court. I mean, the why stop

1038
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 1: with golf? Like we need some Midwestern sensibilities from down

1039
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: home Alpina wisdom. And I like Mike Juan, by the way,

1040
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 1: I think Mike Wan. I have a so much hope

1041
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: and faith in Mike Juan and what he could potentially

1042
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: do now that he's where he's at at the U

1043
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 1: s g A. I mean, I'm hoping and praying that

1044
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,399
Speaker 1: he's going to have you know, uh, Fred pur Paul

1045
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: like these like there is there are these glimmers of

1046
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: hope around and and I've and I've got a lot

1047
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 1: of respect for Seth Wall there. You know, come on, guys, like,

1048
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: let's let's make sure that this game continues to evolve

1049
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: in ways that does make people feel a little uncomfortable.

1050
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: It's you know, the people who feel a little uncomfortable

1051
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: for where the game is going should feel a little uncomfortable.

1052
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: We should be comfortable in a variety of people feeling

1053
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: uncomfortable with the direction of the game. Otherwise it's not

1054
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: going in the right direction. Mike Juan very, I mean,

1055
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: I agree, Matt great and uh I saw him in

1056
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: a very small setting. Uh at the symmetric what was

1057
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: the symetric now absent tour, uh tour championship. Ten ten

1058
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: women got their LPGA cards and their families. You know,

1059
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: there's fifty people in the in the room, and uh,

1060
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: he made a great speech and a ton of respect.

1061
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, uh, there's gonna be veterans out

1062
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: there like Christy Kerr, who you know, are gonna squeeze

1063
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: out of the range. And he's like, get your ass

1064
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 1: up there and push her to the side and tell

1065
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: her you get enough. Well, I mean, it was a

1066
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: very very cool speech and a ton of respect and

1067
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: went around and talk to all ten of the girls

1068
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: that had women that had gotten their card, and it

1069
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: was very much like, hey, you belong. You're part of

1070
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: this tour too, and you know I want to hear

1071
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: your voice as much as you know. I know he

1072
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: said what he was supposed to say, but it just

1073
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 1: felt very sincere. I was mad respect for him, and

1074
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: I agree in the position that he is. I he

1075
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: seems to be outspoken and a like a born leader,

1076
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 1: so I hope he can can say the things that

1077
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: that some people don't want to hear. I love that. Well,

1078
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: this is a busy week at the fire Pit Collective,

1079
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: so just to give listeners a little rundown on what

1080
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: they can look forward to, UM, Michael and I and

1081
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: Jeff Ogilvie taped a sort of a preview podcast about

1082
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: the sand Belt Invitational, which is teeing off Sunday afternoon

1083
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 1: in the US Monday morning in Melbourne. One of the

1084
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: really cool events in golf. I'll be writing about it

1085
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: every day for five Collective dot com. We have Benny West,

1086
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: Scott and Colton Nedler on the ground in Melbourne. They're

1087
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: gonna be doing all kinds of cool social cuts and

1088
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 1: and bring the tournament to life. When it's over, we're

1089
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: gonna get Jeff and hopefully the winner on for a pod. So, uh,

1090
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: that's happening. We have needed fourth our new podcast which

1091
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:20,439
Speaker 1: launched a month ago, hopefully the Olive and listening to that.

1092
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: We have a blockbuster guests for that drops every Wednesday.

1093
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: Michael and I are very excited about that. We um,

1094
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: it's already been taped, it's being edited, and it was.

1095
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 1: It was a really lovely interesting conversation. So can I

1096
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: just say, guys, hate to interrupt them, like, you know,

1097
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: I am loving this podcast and you guys and the

1098
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: guests you've had on so far, Mike Mills, Michael Murphy,

1099
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 1: Brando Shamble, I mean everyone. I mean, it is as

1100
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: good as a golf podcast gets, in my opinion, you know, thoughtful, intel,

1101
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: alegent perspectives plus another fourth and the conversations that are

1102
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: happening and the stories that are being told, it's can't miss.

1103
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: It's incredible. It's well, you're nice to say, mad and

1104
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: I I really do feel that way. And I think, uh,

1105
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: you know, for those who have not had a chance

1106
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 1: to hear Jeff, he is absolutely one of the most

1107
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: thoughtful intelligent, insightful people in all of golf. Those who

1108
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: covered Jeff when he was in his playing prime would

1109
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: have would have known that for a while. Um, but

1110
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 1: this is another chance to see just a very intelligent, thoughtful,

1111
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: analytical person at work. And you know, and uh Allen's

1112
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 1: works uh literally speaks speaks for itself. So it's been

1113
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 1: it's been great. And then just a dovetail on on

1114
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 1: that one thought. You know, we've spent a lot of

1115
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 1: this time together and all of us who are interested

1116
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 1: in professional golf sort of consumed with the pj A Tour,

1117
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 1: US Live. It's certainly has been the biggest story of

1118
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: the year. But when you get to that need of fourth,

1119
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 1: it's just a welcome departure from all of that because

1120
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: we're not going down the road. It's not it's not

1121
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: like we're not trying to or trying to. It's just

1122
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 1: that we get somebody on there and the conversation goes

1123
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 1: where it goes. Like we had read Brandle on the

1124
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: other day, and Brandall talked about the golf swing because

1125
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: that's sort of like his entry point to the game

1126
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: in the first place. Uh So it's kind of a

1127
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: nice break, Yes, and accurate and and part of it.

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01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 1: And you know, when I started at the Golf Channel,

1129
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 1: Kelly Tilman, rich Lerner and Brando Shambly identified themselves early

1130
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 1: on as people who were willing to give me time

1131
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: and serve as a mentor in terms of how to

1132
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: do TV because there's not a lot of you don't

1133
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: go through a training program of like, okay, this is

1134
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 1: how you do TV. They just like they put a

1135
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 1: microphone on you, you put on makeup and you're on TV.

1136
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 1: You're supposed to you're supposed to sort of understand what

1137
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: you're supposed to do, where to look, and it gets

1138
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: very confusing, very fast. And it's a it's a it

1139
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 1: talking about a pressure cooker. It happens when that red

1140
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 1: light goes on. And Brandle and we I've gotten a

1141
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 1: no Brandle, you know, outside of work, our wives are

1142
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: are very good friends. And it was so cool too,

1143
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 1: you know, show that side of him to more people

1144
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 1: than just the live from side of him in which,

1145
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 1: as he says, he gets paid to sort of explain

1146
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: the why and and he gets paid to, you know,

1147
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 1: to have an opinion on all of that. But there

1148
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: is this really really cool side of Brandle that. I

1149
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 1: think that's part of what got exposed in that podcast

1150
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 1: was just a general love for the game, for the

1151
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: literature around the game, the study of the swing and

1152
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 1: the game. His his admiration and respect for you know,

1153
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,479
Speaker 1: Jeff and his place in the game, and that went

1154
01:02:56,560 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: both ways, and his respect and appreciation for other journalists.

1155
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's a it's a side of

1156
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 1: Brandle that a lot a lot of people get to see.

1157
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 1: And I hope people are able to either see or

1158
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 1: listen to that because it's important. He he's an important

1159
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 1: piece of this puzzle that that makes up perspectives that

1160
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 1: talk about the game, and he is willing to say

1161
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 1: what he you know, feels, and it's it comes from

1162
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: well researched you know, analytics or or or thoughts, and

1163
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 1: I just think it's in that in itself is why

1164
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: this this podcast matters. And I can't wait for this

1165
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: week's guest because I know it is and it's it's

1166
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: he's one of my favorites. Yeah yeah, well thanks thanks

1167
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 1: for all that. And um brand my my new favorite

1168
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 1: new phrase. I was texting back forth with Greg Norman

1169
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: was so surprised some people, but and he concluded one

1170
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: of his texts by saying, thanks for being a solid

1171
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 1: part of the gulf ecosystem. And it makes me laugh.

1172
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 1: It feels like a team of consultants came up with that.

1173
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 1: But Brandle is a solid part of the golf ecosystem,

1174
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 1: and it was it was fun to have um and

1175
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 1: I think we can agree that. Imaginella, Ryan French, Michael

1176
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 1: Bamberger are very solid parts of the golf ecosystem that

1177
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 1: everyone will agree with that. I'm pretty positive. Quick quick

1178
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: nod to a to a member, a long time member

1179
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 1: the golf ecosystem, Rog the course whisper had his final

1180
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 1: lament this week. Oh yeah, he's been our lives, all

1181
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 1: our lives. Uh, I love him so anyway, Yeah, he

1182
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 1: represents a nonchalance that golf needs more of. Yes, I

1183
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: was gonna say, I don't know if Roger is a

1184
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 1: great analyst or not. I just he just fun hang

1185
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: out with. Like I'm in my living room, you know,

1186
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 1: I was actually doing a little household project and it's

1187
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 1: just like I love to listen to Rod. It's just

1188
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 1: like it's like like talking on the phone with a

1189
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: buddy because it's a one way conversation. He's only talking

1190
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 1: to you, but there is it is. It's sad to

1191
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 1: see him go. I'm hopefully he'll find another another landing spot.

1192
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 1: But um yeah, I think thanks for the tip of

1193
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 1: the cap because Roger's a very solid part of the

1194
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: Gulf ecosystem and maybe a future need a fourth. I mean,

1195
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 1: you guys need a fourth on a regular basis. You know,

1196
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 1: maybe Rog will make his way into the into the

1197
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 1: coming in smoking heaters like just Dart after dark. Yeah.

1198
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 1: Ryan's still trying to get you know, William Morris to

1199
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 1: sponsor need a fourth or fire drill or something. I

1200
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 1: don't think it could happen, Ryan, I'm sorry, I don't

1201
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:34,439
Speaker 1: think it's Lucky tried to jewel last week. Yeah, that Matt.

1202
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 1: What's that thing in San Francisco where they go in

1203
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 1: the tents and they go away for a while. It's

1204
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 1: like Limium Grove. I knew you'd come up with it,

1205
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 1: right down street from the Alistair McKenzie and Northwood golf Course. Okay, well,

1206
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 1: Roger goes to that one year. You telling me about

1207
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 1: you know some musician who was in the tent next

1208
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 1: to him, and it was Bob Weir from you know

1209
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 1: the dead or something. My dad actually, as an in

1210
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 1: here for Bechtel Power, had a job of going in

1211
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 1: and working on the infrastructure of Bohemian Growth. He couldn't

1212
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: talk about it, you know, I've got to ask him

1213
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 1: about it, um my dad. Um, like Ryan's father has dementia,

1214
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 1: but still is able to recall, uh in great detail,

1215
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 1: some of the stories of some of the jobs he's

1216
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 1: worked on. Um. It's a short term memory that obviously

1217
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 1: is really really, really troubled. But he had he had

1218
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 1: a very interesting time with the Bohemian Grove. And I

1219
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 1: actually got to go in one day with him as

1220
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 1: a young kid, and I can remember just the redwoods,

1221
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 1: and that's sort of the darkness that was created by

1222
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 1: the Redwoods and stories of guys just you know, you

1223
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 1: can kind of pee anywhere. It's like, you know, it's

1224
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 1: it's quite it's quite as quite a quite a a

1225
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 1: fraternity of stuff. God only knows what happens at the

1226
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 1: Bohemian Grove. Well, another member of another attendee of Bohemian

1227
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 1: Grove is Michael Murphy A need a fourth podcast guests,

1228
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 1: So it all comes full circle. Um, all right, well,

1229
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 1: let's end this fire drill um shout out to Um,

1230
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 1: Roger Malpi and Charlie Woods and VJ Seeing and everyone

1231
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 1: in between for enlightning this conversation. We do these every

1232
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 1: stunt Oh, yes, Michael Ellen oh and yes, uh Ellen.

1233
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 1: Easy to get sidetracked. Um, So we do this every Sunday.

1234
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 1: Hopefully you guys have cut onto that. It's it's an

1235
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: ongoing conversation that will never end, um hopefully, and uh

1236
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 1: we're back again next week. It's going to kind of

1237
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 1: be the end of the year. I think, Michael and Ryan,

1238
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 1: I think are we cooked up a plan to do

1239
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 1: kind of our low key year and review and talk

1240
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 1: about our favorite moments and the biggest stories, and that

1241
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 1: that should be a fun one as well. So we

1242
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 1: appreciate your loyalty and fidelity as listeners. There's a lot

1243
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 1: of golf podcasts out there. Thanks for listening to ours.

1244
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 1: For Matt Ganella and Ryan French and Michael Bamberger. I'm

1245
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 1: Alan Schipnick. This was a fire drill podcast, and uh

1246
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 1: that's it. Thanks. I bet big and I played the Win,

1247
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 1: made a fortune, win my shop game. Man. I ran

1248
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 1: the table, never thought I could fall down. The winter

1249
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 1: time hit me like a cannon. The ball and now

1250
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 1: I can't shake this losing the streak. Every road I

1251
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:28,600
Speaker 1: take is a dead end stream. I got thoughts in

1252
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 1: my head. Can't get him out, Trying not to think

1253
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 1: what I'm thinking about. I got thoughts in my head.

1254
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 1: I can't get him out, trying not to think what

1255
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about.