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Speaker 1: the earth. Where is Madeleine I? Nancy Grace, this is

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at

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Speaker 1: Fox Nation and Sirius XM one eleven. First of all,

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Speaker 1: disappeared eight days ago. Please help us find Madeline. The

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Speaker 1: twenty six year old Madeline Maddie Kingsbury's disappearance is suspicious

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Speaker 1: law enforcement partners are working relentlessly to find Maddie. Maddie

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Speaker 1: was last seen in the morning of Friday, March thirty first.

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Speaker 1: Maddie and the father of their children dropped the children

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Speaker 1: Tommy Country many them. You know, when you don't know

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Speaker 1: On Mother's Day twenty twenty two, Madeline Kingsbury wrote on

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Speaker 1: dot com Doctor Angie. Did you hear what our friends

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Speaker 1: This woman, She's twenty six years old with two children.

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Speaker 1: Tracy Campbell, Well, I saw the fields that they were searching,

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Speaker 1: It would be a cold day in hubl that I

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Speaker 1: children up, and creating those timelines are going to be

425
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Speaker 1: so important to investigators, Nancy. The timeline from that family

426
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: is going to be key in placing the location of

427
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 1: Maddie and anybody else that could be associated with her disappearance.

428
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: What do you mean by that? So, for example, if

429
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: Maddie is going into work and that's her routine immediately

430
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 1: after dropping the children off, why did she go home?

431
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: Why did she go home? And why was it ten

432
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: o'clock when her husband or the father of her children

433
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: took that vehicle. Those are questions have to be answered.

434
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: You're absolutely correct, and as a matter of fact, take

435
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: a listen to our friend jackline Lee. According to police,

436
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: Mattie was last seen at home last Friday at approximately

437
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: eight fifteen in the morning after dropping her two children

438
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: off with their father at daycare. The father told police

439
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: he left Mattie's house at about ten am and her

440
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 1: dark blue Chrysler minivan when he returned later that day,

441
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: he says she was not home. A minivan resembling hers

442
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 1: was seen that same morning driving along a nearby county

443
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: road between ten thirty am and one thirty pm. Investigators

444
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: have searched the minivan and Mattie's home. Inside the house,

445
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 1: they found her phone and her wallet. I just was

446
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 1: trying not to panic. Maddie's sister Megan last texted her

447
00:27:46,000 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: that morning and everything seemed fine. Time stories with Nancy Grace. Okay,

448
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: let's go straight back out to our investigative reporter John

449
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: Lords and joining us WCCOTV there in Minnesota. Let me

450
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: understand what I just heard from our friends at GMA,

451
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: Jacqueline Leney. Now that morning a fifteen, that's when she's

452
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: texting with her sister Megan. She and the bio dad

453
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 1: dropped the children at daycare. He tells cops he left

454
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: Mattie's house about ten a m. For some reason, in

455
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: her minivan. Okay, let me understand that was where the

456
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: decision was made that she not go to work, because

457
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: that's when she would go to work. I understand between eight,

458
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: you know, after she drops the children, but no, did

459
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: he bring her back to the house. Is that what

460
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: he's saying. That's who we understand through law enforcement, That's

461
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: what he told them. Then he takes the Chrysler, and

462
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: then when he comes back with that, I don't know

463
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: what to fill it with. Gas. I'm not sure he

464
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: gets back at ten am and she's not there. Is

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00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: that correct? He claimed she laughed and came back. I

466
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: believe in the afternoon and she was not there. No.

467
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: Law enforcement is telling us there's no evidence she was

468
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: picked up by anybody else, or that she might have

469
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: just left the home and walked somewhere. That's according to

470
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: the Winona Police chief. Well, is that the terrain making Kingsbury.

471
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: Would she just leave and walk somewhere? No, I mean

472
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: where her house is kind of situated. She's not really

473
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: within walking distance of, you know, like a target or anything.

474
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: Did she walk, jog or bike anything like that? You know,

475
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: she used to jog. I think it's been a while,

476
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: but she did used to jog in the past, but

477
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: not recently. No, I don't believe so. So I'm just

478
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: trying to figure out. We were covering the case of

479
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: Eliza fletch Or, a Memphis mom who was at like

480
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: four o'clock in the morning jogging. That was her routine,

481
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: you know, and a lot of terraines like you go

482
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: out on the street, it's like I seventy five. You

483
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: can't walk or jog or bike there. Or it could

484
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: be a country road like Molly Tibbots where she would

485
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: run every day. So is the terraine near her? Did

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00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: she have a home apartment condo? What? Um? They lived

487
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: in a town home. It was kind of one of

488
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: those divided in half one So they had a connected

489
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: neighbor okay, and the biodas living in the home. Correct, Yeah, okay,

490
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: So he leaves with the car. Yeah, you're right, You're right, lordson,

491
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: I had that ten thirty am in my head that

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00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: he came back. But her vehicle was side between ten

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00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: thirty and one thirty PM. That's where I'm getting ten

494
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: thirty Is that correct? That is correct? Yes, who sided

495
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: her vehicle? That was spotted around town? I believe there

496
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: is more than one witness to that. And now what

497
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: law enforcement was trying to get people to do. And

498
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: we've been down there is half people check which it's

499
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: called the Highway of forty three corridor. That's where that

500
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: van has been spotted or was spotted around that time.

501
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: Are you trying it's a dark well mini van chryst

502
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: or what is it? A Chrystler PACIFICA town and country

503
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: all right, town and catchy. Multiple sightings of her van

504
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: around town, But did anybody say who was driving it?

505
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: Not that we have been told yet. And what they're

506
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: asking people to do is, you know, we've talked about

507
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: the terrain quite a bit and just that area it

508
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: can get rural pretty quick. So they're asking people to

509
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: look at their doorbell cameras, see if they can see

510
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: who is driving, see if the van went by their home.

511
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: Trail cameras. There's a lot of you know what it

512
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: areas as we talked about out there, people have trail

513
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: cameras set up. Did your trail camera catch this van

514
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: on a roadway when you're kind of having it going

515
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: down a path looking for wildlife? Was there a road

516
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: behind there where you saw the van going through? What

517
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: time was it? Can you see who was driving? What

518
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: about cameras in town? You said Highway forty three corridor

519
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: and when you said around town what town Banana? Yeah,

520
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: it's correct, aren't there red light cams and business cams?

521
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: Business cameras surveillance camera, security cameras, whatever you got, laud

522
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: worsemen that wants to know about it? Well, aren't they

523
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: getting it? Aren't they confiscating it from from businesses and

524
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: red lights before? Does nobody remember Chandra Levy? Yeah, and

525
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: her apartment complex before she went out and was attacked

526
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: and murdered. Every seventy two hours they roll over the

527
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: table that starts over. You got to get it immediately

528
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: before it starts rolling over. And they might have cimlarity,

529
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: they just have not disclosed. I think Megan talked about

530
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: that earlier. You know, the investigation they're being they're keeping

531
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: it very close to their bast but yeah, they're definitely

532
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: asking for anybody else that had maybe something out there

533
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: that wasn't so obvious. The businesses are one thing, and

534
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: the homes near there's another. But in some of these

535
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: rural areas around that line and around that vicinity, if

536
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: they had a trail camera, if they had a doorbell camera,

537
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: if they had a security camera, did you see this

538
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: fand go buying? Can you tell who was driving? And

539
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: they want that, John Lawson, you're telling me people in

540
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: the town of Winona think they saw not just a

541
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: blue town and country, her blue town and Country? Is

542
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: that what they think that? Well, that's the law enforcement

543
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: has told us they believe that van. More than one

544
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: person saw that van driving in that timeframe. We talked

545
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: about what was distinct about her van? Mega, What if

546
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: anything is distinct? John, anybody jump in and tell me. Well,

547
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: and the fact that it was a talented Country Chrysler

548
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: van and I honestly, Nancy, I don't know how popular

549
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: those are in Wenona, Minnesota. But that's in that time

550
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: frame that van was spotted. And that's an excellent question.

551
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: Is that van? Do we know if that was hers?

552
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: For sure? I'm guessing what law enforcement says it is? Mega, Caysbury.

553
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: What about it? What about her van? You know? Um

554
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: they have the law enforcement has some footage from a

555
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: gas station in Rushford in Minnesota. I believe it was

556
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: a quick trip of the van coming and going. Um,

557
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: so I know for sure they've they've seen it in Rushford.

558
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: Other than that, I haven't heard if there's been any

559
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: other footage. I know they're looking at semi trucks, those

560
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: have cameras kind of all around. Um, They're they're really

561
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: trying any avenue to see if they could get footage.

562
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 1: Where's Rushford as it relates to Anonay, and what time

563
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: of the day was her van spotted in Rushford? I

564
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: want to say probably between like ten thirty and eleven ish. Yeah,

565
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: I believe. I believe you're right on that make I

566
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: think it was in the morning, still before the Duna

567
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 1: hour that that was spotted. But what time does Biodet

568
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: say he brought the car back? Um? I believe that

569
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 1: he said he returned home around one pm, so that

570
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: could have been him driving around. That doesn't really help us,

571
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: doesn't Yeah, Okay, where where is the vehicle right now?

572
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: John Lawrenson? Law enforcement has searched that vehicle. I do

573
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,720
Speaker 1: not know if they gave that back to the family.

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00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,919
Speaker 1: Do you know, Megan, Um, I believe law enforcement still

575
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: has the vehicle. Still has the vehicle? Okay? To Julie

576
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: Yh joining us a crime scene investigat and instructor, Julie,

577
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: what do you make of this regarding them still having

578
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: the vehicle? I would they still had the vehicle in

579
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: their presenttion because that is one of the key pieces

580
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: of evidence. I would say right now to Tracy Campbell

581
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 1: joining us with Northstar International Search, and recovery. I believe

582
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: that the vehicle, especially a lot of the fact that

583
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: law enforcement is still holding onto it, must have some

584
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: sort of forensic evidence in it. I agree. Okay, Kathleen Murphy,

585
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: what do we do now? I think we take an

586
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: inventory of what's in there. I also, Nancy, have a

587
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: question about whether or not a search warrant has been

588
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: effectuated for the home that they were living in. And

589
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: another question that we have is whether or not Madeline

590
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 1: was looking for another place to live. I saw on

591
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 1: her Facebook page that she had posted that she was

592
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: looking for a new place to live in April or

593
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: May twommate in Kingsbury. Your sister posted that. Is that correct,

594
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 1: that she was looking for a new place to live. Yes,

595
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: that's correct. Why her and the father of the children

596
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: were not continuing their relationships, they were splitting. Yes, so

597
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: she was looking for a new place close to where

598
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: she already lived, close to the daycare, close to the preschool.

599
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 1: I know she was looking over in good View, which

600
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: is the next count over. So so yeah, she was

601
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: looking for a new place. Guys. The family of Madane

602
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 1: Kingsbury has now issued a fifty thousand dollar reward fifty

603
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 1: thousand dollar reward. Tipline five zero, seven four or five

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00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: seven six, two eight eight repeat five zero seven, four,

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00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: five seven six two eight eight. Please help us find Madeline.

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00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,