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Speaker 2: you're voting for? What? Ye? Chris? So it's all that, okay, good,

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Speaker 2: Who am I voting for? I'm going to early vote.

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Speaker 2: I'm an undecided voter, so that was a topic. Nobody's

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Speaker 3: They're all liars. Okay, d I'm ready. Okay, I want

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Speaker 3: to ask Chris what do you know about millions? Because

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Speaker 2: Millie's making a comeback.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's Milli or Vanilly asking a question.

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Speaker 1: Is it hip hop?

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Speaker 2: Oh interested, way too young, way too young. And we

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Speaker 3: Okay, I mean was. They were a pop duo, huge, huge,

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Speaker 2: If I got to pick and they were like, you're

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Speaker 2: The other one will be like, baby, don't don't forget

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Speaker 3: Good, good girl, I love you that one.

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Speaker 2: Not an award show, but it was like a party

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Speaker 1: I think I know where this is.

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Speaker 3: And they're performing. I think it's girl. You know it's true.

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Speaker 3: You know it's And the CD started skipping. Oh and

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Speaker 3: Oh. They didn't know what to do.

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Speaker 3: so these guys are lip syncing. Okay, so is this

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Speaker 3: They weren't even the guys recording the albums. They were

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Speaker 2: You didn't know this read gas from behind the camera.

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Speaker 3: There was a hole that the writers did everything. They

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Speaker 3: But Millie Vanilli were the faces want a Grammy.

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Speaker 1: They're the ones that made the money and got the fame.

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Speaker 3: They gave the Grammy back. They people were like Earn

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Speaker 2: They tried to prove they could still sing though, And

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00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,320
Speaker 2: so even even at the press conferen they're sitting at

443
00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,960
Speaker 2: a table, like like when a coach does a press

444
00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,280
Speaker 2: conference and they're sitting there and they still have the

445
00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:14,600
Speaker 2: Grammy sitting in front of them.

446
00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,600
Speaker 3: And they're like what did why.

447
00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:16,920
Speaker 1: Did you do this?

448
00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:18,960
Speaker 2: So like no, no, we just really can't sing, and

449
00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,240
Speaker 2: they would try to. They were saying like girl, you

450
00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:22,240
Speaker 2: know it's true.

451
00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:24,160
Speaker 3: It just wasn't them.

452
00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:25,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god.

453
00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,520
Speaker 3: In any way whatsoever, it was career done like over

454
00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,800
Speaker 3: in that instance quickly, and then I think one of

455
00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,679
Speaker 3: them ended up committing suicide and then there's just one

456
00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,760
Speaker 3: one left. But I've seen him on TikTok playing shows

457
00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:42,080
Speaker 3: recently and people just using Milli Vanilli songs now for

458
00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,600
Speaker 3: like videos, so like, I think it's pretty awesome. They're

459
00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:51,080
Speaker 3: making it saying, well, the band as.

460
00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:53,400
Speaker 1: Just he oh he still calls him it's.

461
00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:58,160
Speaker 3: But there's no they, so what is he just just called? No,

462
00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:00,040
Speaker 3: I don't know who.

463
00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,240
Speaker 2: Even if it's Melli Vanilli. It's a heat five for fighting.

464
00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,840
Speaker 2: That's a he okay, Oh I like this. He grabs

465
00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:08,639
Speaker 2: people around him and makes a band, but that's a

466
00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:13,800
Speaker 2: he okay, you know, a hybrid movie Panic at the

467
00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,040
Speaker 2: Disco because there are actual band members, but that's really

468
00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:16,840
Speaker 2: built around one.

469
00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:17,439
Speaker 3: He's panic.

470
00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:23,800
Speaker 2: That's a tough one though. Food fighters, no early food fighters,

471
00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,480
Speaker 2: is he? But then once he hired the other band

472
00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,840
Speaker 2: members dashboard good one dashboards.

473
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Speaker 3: He yeah, I think it's I think Millivilla is not.

474
00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,280
Speaker 3: He Okay, all right, well, well the music's making a comeback.

475
00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:37,600
Speaker 3: But what was your point?

476
00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:39,879
Speaker 2: My question was like, I'm entertained. I just wonder what

477
00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:40,240
Speaker 2: the point was.

478
00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:41,920
Speaker 3: I guess my point is is that you know, people

479
00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,840
Speaker 3: are starting to play mill Vanilla now, you know the song,

480
00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,720
Speaker 3: probably not from back then, but from now.

481
00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,280
Speaker 1: From secondary listening pretty much.

482
00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, so I just wanted to know what Chris like,

483
00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,000
Speaker 3: if he knew the whole story that was kind of

484
00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:54,560
Speaker 3: my whole thing.

485
00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:56,760
Speaker 1: I knew where it was going. Once he started saying

486
00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,200
Speaker 1: a word show, I was like, oh no.

487
00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,080
Speaker 3: Because I bet people listening to millionn right now or

488
00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,520
Speaker 3: you know the songs listen to him right now, don't

489
00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:05,399
Speaker 3: know that story.

490
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Speaker 1: Did that make him more famous? Though?

491
00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,240
Speaker 2: I would say it was not one of the instances

492
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,200
Speaker 2: where infamy made it more famous.

493
00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,760
Speaker 1: Okay, they were already famous.

494
00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,280
Speaker 2: They were massively famous, but then there were frauds and

495
00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:21,280
Speaker 2: there wasn't the culture of social media or reality shows

496
00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:25,280
Speaker 2: to capitalize off that. Yes, they just hid and then

497
00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,240
Speaker 2: one guy killed himself. Yeah, so it was if it

498
00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,480
Speaker 2: happened now, different story. Oh you would they find a

499
00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,760
Speaker 2: way to maybe an internet sensation. Yeah, but it is,

500
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,840
Speaker 2: You're right, Ashley Simpson. It's it's that before that. Did

501
00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,960
Speaker 2: that kill her career as a singer artist? Yeah, I

502
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,880
Speaker 2: think they, Yeah, they never took her seriously, No, because

503
00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,080
Speaker 2: she was always the girl she wanted like a hodown dance.

504
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,359
Speaker 1: I think she had what like he was sick, was

505
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,760
Speaker 1: the story, and so they were just they convinced her

506
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,440
Speaker 1: to do the lip syncing or something, and the drummer

507
00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,920
Speaker 1: just kept playing the same track. Or I mean, if

508
00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:59,920
Speaker 1: played the same track again and they just kept going,

509
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:01,120
Speaker 1: I've heard that.

510
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 3: I don't I don't don't believe anything.

511
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,439
Speaker 2: So that possibly could be the real answer, or it

512
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 2: could just be there was a mess up. But the

513
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,879
Speaker 2: thing now, if that happened, so many artists now just

514
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,640
Speaker 2: sing along with their singing.

515
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:14,239
Speaker 3: And they don't try to hide it. You can hear.

516
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's obvious, and it's they don't hide it at all.

517
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 3: No, No, it's not even a thing.

518
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,640
Speaker 2: Yes, so they're not ashamed of it. It's just their

519
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 2: singing is up and then they're just also singing with it.

520
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:27,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're singing with it.

521
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, with their own full vocal if Millie could

522
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 2: just do that.

523
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,400
Speaker 3: Back in the day, I know, man, but somebody had

524
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,920
Speaker 3: to fall hard for people to realize it's okay. Even

525
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 3: the super Bowl, like super Bowl is all lip SYNCD.

526
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's hard to pull off because of tech issues,

527
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:45,480
Speaker 2: yea more than anything else.

528
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 3: But was Ashley Simpson? Does she always lip sync?

529
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:49,639
Speaker 1: I have no idea.

530
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I do Mike, I don't think so.

531
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 3: I don't think so.

532
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,119
Speaker 2: I think she probably wasn't an A plus singer, and

533
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,239
Speaker 2: they probably helped her in a lot of ways, and uh,

534
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,159
Speaker 2: you know, studio tricks when you didn't have all the

535
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 2: digital studio tricks that we have now, obviously, but she

536
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,719
Speaker 2: was Jessica's younger sister that helped.

537
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 3: But I think she could sing.

538
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I met her. We did like a radio show

539
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 2: with her. I don't remember thinking she couldn't sing.

540
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 3: Was she nice? It?

541
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,879
Speaker 2: Pop is a different world, so I don't know the

542
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,439
Speaker 2: answer to that. When I was in pop or just

543
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,919
Speaker 2: I would just compare La to Nashville in these same ways,

544
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 2: and that when I go to California, or when I

545
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 2: first started going to California way back in the day,

546
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 2: I started to notice that it didn't matter what your

547
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 2: status was.

548
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,159
Speaker 3: And that place is so status based.

549
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 2: Nashville is too in a way, but it's so status

550
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 2: based that if you didn't have status, you had to

551
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,359
Speaker 2: fake like you had status. And you if you went

552
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,160
Speaker 2: to a meeting, you showed up with four, five, six,

553
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 2: seven people, You had agents, and you had assistants like

554
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 2: you were to be there with all of your success

555
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 2: people you're ontoile included like. But that was how everyone

556
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 2: represented themselves. So even if they didn't, they faked it

557
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 2: until hopefully they can make it, or they just didn't.

558
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 3: So I didn't know that.

559
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 2: So when I first started going to California, I was

560
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,400
Speaker 2: just flying back and forth, begging for like mercenary jobs,

561
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 2: you know, interviewing Maria Minunez's dog on the red carpet.

562
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 2: You know. It was like I was willing to do anything,

563
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,360
Speaker 2: and so I'm And then once my career in television

564
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 2: started to actually have some real substance behind it, I

565
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 2: still didn't under because I didn't have LA people to

566
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 2: tell me how to act LA. So I would go

567
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 2: to these now it was bigger meetings. I would go

568
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,400
Speaker 2: to meet with the president, the president of CBS. I'd

569
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 2: go meet with executives at ABC, but I would literally

570
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 2: uber and I would just show up with a backpack

571
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 2: and just walk in. And the first couple of times

572
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 2: I remember the mask and like, are you waiting on

573
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 2: the rest of your your your team?

574
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 3: Nope, just.

575
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 2: Like there's no But I wasn't doing it strategically and

576
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 2: going on, I'm them if there's zig and I'm gonna zag.

577
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 2: That was never the idea. It was just I was

578
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 2: going to a meeting, and so I just gotten an

579
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 2: uber and drove over and waited and went in. But

580
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:16,199
Speaker 2: what I found out later was they found that so

581
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 2: different and refreshing that it actually helped, if not get jobs,

582
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 2: it helped make great relationships that later got me jobs.

583
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 3: Interesting, I was gonna say, me and Mike and Reid

584
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 3: could have been your dudes, Like, oh god, dang, but

585
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 3: you're right, you're right. It's probably better off that way.

586
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 2: And I remember somebody I ended up getting to know

587
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 2: in LA who ended up working as part of my

588
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 2: agency team.

589
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 3: Later.

590
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 2: He was like, Hey, we can go to this meeting

591
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 2: with you, he said, But you know the people we

592
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 2: talked to that they just say, you come in by yourself,

593
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 2: and they like that. And I'm like, is that not normal?

594
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 3: And they're like, no, it's not normal.

595
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 2: Like people like to show up, and I like they

596
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 2: have representation, like they matter, and like the little story

597
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 2: about you has been you just show up and I thought, oh,

598
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 2: I didn't even know it was on a purpose.

599
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 1: So the more people that show up to a meeting

600
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 1: in LA, they're deemed more successful.

601
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 2: Yes, because going agent, it's your manager, it's your published people.

602
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 2: Since you're so important, you need all this team to

603
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 2: make sure they everything. I'll do it yourself obviously, right, Yeah, yeah,

604
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 2: I mean I could.

605
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 3: I just again, I showed up, So I would assume

606
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 3: that the artist or whoever or the star just sits

607
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 3: there and does nothing. All those people very little, Yeah,

608
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 3: very little. You're supposed to.

609
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 2: But that's that. It's the opposite of Nashville culture. In Nashville,

610
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 2: if you do have nineteen people, and I will give

611
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 2: an example of somebody and he won't care because I

612
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 2: know him very well and I love him very well.

613
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 2: But like Luke Bryan has a massive team because he

614
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 2: has to. He's doing television, he's touring massively, he uh

615
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 2: has songs, and he's commer he has agents, manager, the

616
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 2: whole shebang on mini levels. He shows up by himself

617
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 2: to the studio. But that's the Nashville culture where even

618
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 2: if you have all these people, leave a lot of

619
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 2: them behind because they will think differently about you. If

620
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 2: you show up with eighteen people were in LA, they

621
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 2: would think differently about you.

622
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 3: If you showed it by yourself, they think you're a loser.

623
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 1: It's the opposite.

624
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 3: It's exactly the opposite.

625
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 2: And I was just doing there what I do here

626
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 2: and got very fortunate that people thought that was cool

627
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 2: and refreshing.

628
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 3: And I'm like, cool and refreshing.

629
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 2: I did not.

630
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 3: Like I like to have people. I don't know anybody else.

631
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 3: Can you tell me where a friend is? Anybody?

632
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 2: So, but the Ashley Simpson thing was a big scandal,

633
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 2: and I think she got a.

634
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 3: Reality show after that.

635
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: So it was it was getting to that is.

636
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 2: Getting to that point where you could capitalize. But her

637
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 2: music is over.

638
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 3: I liked her songs. Yeah.

639
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 5: Pieces, Okay, let's take a quick pause for a message

640
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:57,160
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641
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Speaker 2: Let me go to my first question. All right, man,

642
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 2: how serious do we want to go? I got a

643
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: lot of them, Yeah, that's up to you.

644
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: I love the surprise.

645
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna do it easy one, Chris, I'll go

646
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: to you first.

647
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: Okay.

648
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter the song or the artists, so but

649
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 2: you're gonna have in your mind songs and artists that

650
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 2: people say this about a lot. But when someone says, man,

651
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 2: that's that's not country, what is your general thought about

652
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 2: that saying.

653
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 1: That it's not country?

654
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 2: You know, when someone just hears something, I'll give an example,

655
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 2: because again I'll use people I love and that won't

656
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 2: get mad at me, Dan and Shay. Somebody hears and go,

657
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 2: that's not country. I like a country. I used to

658
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 2: be real country. They'll say, that's saying that's not country.

659
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 3: How does that resonate with you?

660
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: I feel like it's so overused now. I don't know

661
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 1: what to believe anymore when somebody says that's not country.

662
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like twenty years ago, you

663
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: would say that's not country to whoever, and you're thinking

664
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: about the whale and Jennings Era or the Willie Nelson

665
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: or whoever. Now I think everybody says that, especially with

666
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: social media, this isn't country. That's not country. Basically nothing

667
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: is country anymore in Nashville, So it just kind of

668
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 1: goes in one year out the other. For me, like

669
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: when anybody says that.

670
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 2: I there are guys that represent traditional country of the

671
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 2: nine because traditional country is not even traditional country, right.

672
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: Traditional country is traditional to the age of the person,

673
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: yes that says that's not country. For example, like a

674
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 2: Zach Toop who we've had here, and I love Zach

675
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 2: although he's like twelve and he looks he acts like

676
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 2: he's like fifty, and he's so good that he plays

677
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: a guitar like he's be playing.

678
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 3: One hundred years.

679
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 2: Right, it's an odd because he grew up bluegrass. And

680
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 2: you'll see and all like Zach a lot, and he's

681
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: very much traditional my age, our age country, and he'll

682
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: be like, that's real country music. But that's not a

683
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 2: country thing to me. When when someone says that anything

684
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 2: is not country ever, I ought atomatically think less of

685
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 2: them as any sort of country music scholar or any

686
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 2: sort of person that claims they know country music at all,

687
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 2: because if they really knew country music, you can go back,

688
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 2: because the only thing that really would be country, if

689
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: you were to boil it all down, would be the

690
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: music coming over from the slave ships in Africa and

691
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 2: the music coming from Europe, the fiddles in Europe and

692
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 2: the banjos on the slave ships. The combination of that

693
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: and where the music landed is then what turned into

694
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 2: hillbilly music. Is then what turned like if you're going

695
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 2: to go, what's really country? If we got to keep

696
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 2: going back every generation like that's where country music started.

697
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: Everything technically came from somewhere.

698
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, sure.

699
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 2: And when people go, well, that ain't country, and they're

700
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: talking about a Dan and Shay, a jelly Roll, whomever,

701
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 2: and you go, well, what is well chestnut?

702
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 3: Well, okay, I hear you. And if you.

703
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: Had the patients or the understanding to listen to me,

704
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 2: explain to you that the chestnuts, the garths, the you

705
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 2: could go through any of the nineties country artists that

706
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 2: were told, wow, that's not country that now are the

707
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 2: standard for what is country, or if you were to

708
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 2: go even to like Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys,

709
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 2: the first time they amped up a still guitar, well,

710
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 2: flip their crap because that's not country. They flip their

711
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 2: crap the same way that they do when Jelly Roll

712
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: does this song. Obviously, there's on social media. But Johnny

713
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 2: Cash right, they were protesting him because he was he's

714
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: not country, He's rock and roll.

715
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: People thought Deny in Garth weren't country.

716
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:51,479
Speaker 2: Every single generation there's that's not country. The only thing

717
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: that's consistent about country music is it's not country. And

718
00:30:55,480 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 2: so for when anybody is like, that's not even country,

719
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 2: I think to myself, Okay, what you're saying is that's

720
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 2: not traditional country to you based on the era that

721
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: either you grew up in or that you listened to

722
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 2: because your parents made you listen to it, And I

723
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 2: have automatically, And you're also a moron, not maybe on

724
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 2: life in well, not in life in every other space.

725
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 2: They could be an astrophysicist. But when someone declares that's

726
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 2: not country based on the criteria, they have no idea

727
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: what country is. Because the one thing about the country has

728
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 2: always been it's always been an evolution. And I was

729
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 2: talking about this recently somebody else. The last fifteen years

730
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 2: or so, A big reason there has been a shift

731
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 2: in country music too, is them deciding in maybe twenty

732
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: five years, is them deciding to market to a younger audience. Right,

733
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 2: Country music used to be music for adults about not

734
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 2: being able to pay the rent, the mortgage, the insert

735
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 2: adult problems. But there's only so much money if you're

736
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 2: just marketing to adults. If you market younger, older people

737
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 2: always buy their stuff, and the stuff a little younger

738
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,719
Speaker 2: than them. Music started, country music started to be marketed

739
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,719
Speaker 2: to younger audiences. Of course, a bit it's going to shift.

740
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 2: But anyone that ever says that's not country, I think

741
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 2: musically you're an idiot because you're probably you're right.

742
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 3: That's not country based on what you think.

743
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 2: But you could say that to every single massive country

744
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 2: artist that now is celebrated for being country.

745
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 3: They were once told that.

746
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: Now are there people that come in and try to

747
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: be and it's just it never actually catches on as

748
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: that because I do believe that the consumer inevitably picks

749
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 2: what is and what isn't. Like Machine Gun Kelly is

750
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 2: not country. He's not because I feel like he's not

751
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 2: even trying to really be. I feel like a guy

752
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 2: like that's like, oh that looks fun. It's the most

753
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 2: popular format. Now I'll just go record a couple songs,

754
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: hopefully make some money.

755
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's been a lot of examples of that.

756
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and I think my my where I

757
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 2: And again I'm not right, and there is no right

758
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: and wrong in art, so I'm not right.

759
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 3: But I always feel, especially if I'm gonna talk or

760
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 3: promote or even.

761
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 2: Like, if an artist fails in their respective format and

762
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 2: they use this as a fallback, I never believe they

763
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 2: truly wanted to do this, So I'm really not gonna

764
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 2: believe in their I love country, yeah, So that to

765
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 2: me is one If an artist has a history of

766
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: playing in the playground a little bit like post Malone,

767
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 2: who for years and years and years would do freaking

768
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: Brad Paisley stuff would do he he and it was

769
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: always kind of weird because he was he was a rapper, right, Mike, Yeah,

770
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 2: I mean to me, he's changed who he's been a

771
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: few times, but it was always kind of cool to

772
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 2: Postmone the rapper like like country music a little bit.

773
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, his cover of Mud on the Tires was a

774
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: thing before, and he.

775
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: Would say, I like country music, so when he came,

776
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 2: it wasn't that weird. But he also embraced like living

777
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 2: here and he really embraced it.

778
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: That's a big thing too, is that absolutely people respect

779
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: Posts because he came here, he invested time in the

780
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: songwriters you're right here and all the musicians and just

781
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: the people on record.

782
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 3: Like he played our charity show. He just showed up

783
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 3: and played it.

784
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: He didn't have to do that, but he was like,

785
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 2: I'm establishing that I care about this.

786
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 3: My point is he didn't have to come to country.

787
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 3: He wanted to.

788
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 2: He wasn't like on a downhill and he's like, I'm

789
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 2: gonna just gonna grab a country for something, and all

790
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 2: respect to these people, but like that, like Cindy Lauper

791
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 2: tried to do a country album, like Brett Michaels tried

792
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 2: to do a country album. Whenever it's like a last straw,

793
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 2: that's when I'm kind of like, or if it's just

794
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,919
Speaker 2: a money chase, which I feel like. I think Machine

795
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 2: On Kelly is super talented, and I probably liked his

796
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 2: rock stuff more than his hip off stuff. But maybe

797
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 2: because Eminem killed him, Mike, I just feel different about it.

798
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I know, I know, but like he's homeless.

799
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: Come on, let somebody take me in.

800
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I do like a Machine On Kelly, But

801
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: that to me, regardless of what he ever does, it's

802
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 2: just never gonna be country, and if it is, it's

803
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 2: going to be so forced.

804
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 3: But like who who decides what is country? Likes it's

805
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 3: just it's but but yeah, not even the consumer though,

806
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 3: it's just radio like if it's if it's not on radio,

807
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 3: then people don't even try to classify, Like Jason Isbell

808
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 3: as your country.

809
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 2: No is rules true because they completely put things in

810
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 2: playlists and uh they genres.

811
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: Okay, I guess you just label it country and the

812
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: level like what happened, you know with old Ton Road.

813
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: You know that was labeled country. Yeah, I mean debut

814
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: number one.

815
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 3: Because really anything can be country. You listen to certain songs,

816
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 3: like I think it's more about the lyrics than it

817
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 3: is about the music. I think it's cool the evolution

818
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 3: of country music going from traditional steel fiddle all that

819
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 3: to like Sam Hunt, you know, adding a trap beat,

820
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 3: you know, to like, it's cool. The evolution is cool.

821
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 3: But what stays consistent is the simple songwriting. Like even

822
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 3: when you go into like a songwriting session, it's always like,

823
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 3: all right, here are the three chords we're working with,

824
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 3: let's write around it.

825
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: You know, I've never been to one said we have

826
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 2: three chords?

827
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 3: Well, because they're not. They're not like, hey, why don't

828
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 3: we start with like this cool sound and why don't

829
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 3: we do that cool sound? All the sounds in country

830
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 3: music comes so much les later than the creation, in

831
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 3: the creation of the song.

832
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: That was the idea. I don't know.

833
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 3: I just I've written with a bunch of track guys, though,

834
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 3: so I would push they start they start with the track,

835
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,919
Speaker 3: I mean, but it's not the sound of the song.

836
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 3: I think once kind of the song is taken shape,

837
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 3: then it's like, how do we make this sound cool?

838
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 3: Or now?

839
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 2: I would just push back on the track part though,

840
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 2: because but no one's wrong. I've written with ross, a

841
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 2: bunch of a bunch of time Dross comperment, and we'll

842
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 2: go in and be like, Okay, we're starting with this,

843
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 2: you like, let me try with this them do let

844
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 2: me put a middle mellet and.

845
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 3: You really it's all just that that sound first. But

846
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 3: most then where do the lyrics come in?

847
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: Like people sometimes you write around it people, Yeah, people

848
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: write different.

849
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 2: People are different most And again I've been very like

850
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 2: I did it. I did a secret project once that

851
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 2: we ended up having to bail on, but it was

852
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 2: me Nicole Gallion and Ross Komperman, and we created this

853
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 2: fake group and we wrote and it still exists. It's

854
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: like four or five songs up. It's called Neon People,

855
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 2: and we were going to try to keep secret. Then

856
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 2: Nicole Guy got a job as president of the freaking

857
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 2: record label once you had to leave the group before

858
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 2: we got to officially launch it, So I was I

859
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: got super lucky to write with him a lot, and

860
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: we pulled another really good writers too, So I got

861
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 2: to watch, like, I mean, people one hundred number ones

862
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 2: not be written, but people who did that.

863
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: So I got to watch people write.

864
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 2: Concept based, which is super cool, which is kind of

865
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 2: how I would write comedy anyway. But I got to

866
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 2: watch you write melody based, which means all they do

867
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 2: is come in and they're like, okay, I got this, and.

868
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 3: Then it's like hmm, I was walking down.

869
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,919
Speaker 2: We walked down together by the tree. Then you find

870
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: the words. And then I got to watch track. Yeah,

871
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 2: it's three different versions of writing the freaking song where

872
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: Roster come in and be like all right, let's listen

873
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 2: to these five tracks that came in with today, like

874
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 2: like you'd come in with a concept idea or you

875
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 2: come in with a melody. He'd be like, what about

876
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 2: this one?

877
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: Well, there was one of us. So there was a

878
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: song that was written maybe two or three months ago

879
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: by two of our writers with a track, guy, explain

880
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: what you what you do? Okay? So I word Cornman Music,

881
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: which is a music publisher, and basically we have writers

882
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: and we booked their calendar. They write songs, sometimes with artists,

883
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: sometimes just with other writers, and we try to get

884
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: the songs cut and hopefully they become hits and we

885
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: make money and everybody's happy. It's like the very quick

886
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: and simple way to put how I do my job.

887
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, okay, so I just want everybody to know that,

888
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 2: so go ahead and keep going with that.

889
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: So we had two writers write with a producer and

890
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: they were maybe an hour and a half into the song,

891
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,479
Speaker 1: and this producer had this really cool track and they're

892
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: trying to basically force feed this idea, this melody to

893
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: this track, and it just wasn't working. So the producer

894
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: was like, look, I could just find a new one, guys,

895
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: and we can just keep this idea going. And they're like, no, no, no,

896
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: this track is great. We're just going to scrap what

897
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: we did and write around your track and come up

898
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: with a whole new idea.

899
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 2: Like every lyric, every part of the concept is like

900
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: the track is so strong.

901
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: YEP.

902
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: I agreed with what you're saying generally, but I think

903
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: since it's been marketed to younger audiences and the people

904
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 2: have just been younger, right, there's technology, technology is you know.

905
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,959
Speaker 2: I don't think tracks and there was a real bad

906
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: stigma about me called a track guy for a while.

907
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 2: I don't think that exists as much and nowe as

908
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 2: it used to, because yeah, and now you need a

909
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 2: really good Now it's like should we get a track guy?

910
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 3: Now it's like we need a really good one?

911
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: Like to yes, yeah, I think that a mess some

912
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: sort of message right in country music, But I don't.

913
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 2: I don't think every I don't think every song is country.

914
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 2: I don't think every song can be country.

915
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 3: Music though, like every song in country music. No, I

916
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 3: don't think just any song can be No. No, I

917
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 3: just mean, like, you know, I remember we talked a

918
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 3: while back when John Mayer had his Paradise Vallet album,

919
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 3: like like you listen to that album, like this could

920
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 3: be a country album. You know, probably said that a

921
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 3: long time ago, and it's like it's.

922
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: Right ed, Sharon, could it could have? I mean, you know,

923
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: you just go one way a little bit.

924
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 2: Slightly so slightly so eighteen percent sonically different. Yeah, nobody

925
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,919
Speaker 2: says a thing about it. Yep, for some So yeah,

926
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 2: the question I forget, I let to put my phone.

927
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 3: That was my question. Well, how would you tell let

928
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 3: people to say that that's not country?

929
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: I just don't take any stock into it, and I

930
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: never really have. Just I mean, if you grew up,

931
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: let's say you got into country twenty thirteen or whatever,

932
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: you know, when the bro movement started and you grew

933
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: up in Florida, George the Line and Luke Brian and

934
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 1: Thomas Rhett and all these artists, that to you is country.

935
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: That is country. And it's like, you know, you can't

936
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: tell that person they're wrong, you know that that's not country.

937
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: What's not country about Florida? George the Line? I mean,

938
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: it's twenty It talks about subjects that's very relatable to

939
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: the average country listener, whether it's streaming or radio. So

940
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 1: you know, I mean you can go about, well, it's

941
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: got to beat, you know, it's got this snap track

942
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: behind it, or whatever the case is. But that just

943
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: becomes normal to the point where it is country now

944
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 1: and it doesn't have to be put into this box anymore.

945
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: You know, do I think that Sabrina Carpenter is country? No,

946
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: she's not.

947
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: And she has one song on it if you listen

948
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: to the record, yeah the uh I got that song

949
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 2: on my head.

950
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 3: I know. I know every song on that record, sadly.

951
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 2: Not sadly, not sadly because they're really good.

952
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 3: Surprisingly, Yeah, it is a really it's a really great record.

953
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 3: A little too much cursing for me.

954
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 2: Really, you wouldn't expect it like it just pops out

955
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 2: of It's not even those cursewordsuse. I don't mind cursing.

956
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 2: Cursewords in the middle of the chorus. They hit me

957
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 2: kind of weird.

958
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 3: I'm just like, why whoa that for? You're right in

959
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 3: the middle of the chorus.

960
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 2: Let me get the tracks up, because there's one song

961
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 2: that if you didn't say it was Sabrina Carpenter and

962
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 2: you just played it for somebody, they would be like, Oh,

963
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: that's a massive that is a massive country it it

964
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 2: is going to be It's slim Pickens, Its slim Pickens,

965
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 2: slim Pickens. Yeah. Inactively, Yeah, I'll play a little bit

966
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 2: a bit.

967
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 3: From my phone.

968
00:41:54,320 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's a freaking jam in that sonically already

969
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 2: it could be any.

970
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 3: I mean could be country.

971
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

972
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 2: Is if that if you just took her name off

973
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 2: of it, same person and you're like, no, this is

974
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: uh bringing to Joe Carpenter, and you'd be like this,

975
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 2: but you didn't play the rest of the music around it,

976
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 2: people be like, oh, yeah, for sure. But then when

977
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 2: she has it, I mean like, please please please freaking jam.

978
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 3: But yeah, uh okay.

979
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: Chris, you know, going off the topic of what is

980
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: or what is in country? One thing I've noticed about

981
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: and I've been going through TikTok a lot lately, just

982
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: because it's eleven PM, I can't sleep, I can't help myself.

983
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 1: I grab it and I pull it out. A lot

984
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,959
Speaker 1: of nineties country stuff comes up through the TikTok feed,

985
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: stuff that isn't technically nineties country, but asking around with

986
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: writers and family and friends, basically anything from like nineteen

987
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: eighty six to two thousand and seven is nineties country.

988
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 3: That's funny. They would go up that high. Yeah.

989
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, the late eighties stuff for sure, Like a lot

990
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 2: of the Randy Travis stuff gets put into that and

991
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 2: some of the George straight from the late eighties.

992
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 1: Most of the Shenandoah hits you know, are from the eighties.

993
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 3: Wow, I didn't realize that.

994
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's eighty rate yea.

995
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 2: Point, because that's definitely what it could said that nineties

996
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 2: where I guess it's the music that was wildly popular

997
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 2: in that era. Since most of it was the nineties,

998
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 2: it's just all considered nine.

999
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 3: And you all think, like some of Tim McGraw's or

1000
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 3: like some of his early two thousands feels like nineties,

1001
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 3: but it does already two thousand Faith Hill like a

1002
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 3: lot of two thousand songs.

1003
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: People think that Jessica Jessica Andrews and Who I Am

1004
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 1: as a nineties country song. That's two thousand and one.

1005
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 1: That's you know, I mean, it's close, it's not nineties.

1006
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: The other some people that think two thousand and four

1007
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: songs are a country or nineties country, you know, like

1008
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 1: live Like You Were Dying. Somebody wants reference on TikTok

1009
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,959
Speaker 1: is a nineties country song. I'm like, you're five years off.

1010
00:43:59,000 --> 00:43:59,959
Speaker 1: That's like not even close.

1011
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 2: So I guess it's just people that hear Old Good

1012
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 2: semi contemporary country music.

1013
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 3: If it's good and semi contemporary, it must be nineties.

1014
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 1: It must be nineties country.

1015
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 2: It's funny that that is all classified that. But I

1016
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 2: do feel like a lot of the eighties, even some

1017
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 2: of the late eighties, like Garth Early, Garth.

1018
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: Stuff nine eighty nine.

1019
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that, the Dance eighty nine nineties because it

1020
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 2: was just really popular in that era when it popped,

1021
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 2: which just so happened to be the nineties.

1022
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: Yes, most people too don't think of two thousands country

1023
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 1: in the same way as nineties country.

1024
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 2: Well, I agree, except I'm married to someone that is

1025
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: while we were younger than me, and.

1026
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 3: I felt the same way.

1027
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 2: I was like, I always had like two thousands sucked,

1028
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 2: like like twenty fourteen. I was like, man, just not

1029
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 2: a good era. And she's like, are you kidding? Eastern Corbin,

1030
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 2: Are you kidding? And she starts listening off Joe and

1031
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 2: Joe Choles. She's like, if I did a New Highwayman,

1032
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 2: I'm not kidding. This what she said she had to

1033
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 2: be Easton, Joe Nichols, Craig Morgan, and I Fegar. The

1034
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 2: other one was yeah, but she that's that's Fred Neck

1035
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 2: yacht Club. Her jam that that era is like her

1036
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 2: that the guy that played your rehearsal dinner it was

1037
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 2: Josh Grace. That would be her because she was a

1038
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 2: twenty ten and that could have been two thousand and

1039
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 2: eight to two thousand.

1040
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the era I grew up on.

1041
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 2: She it's her that some of the Tim McGraw stuff

1042
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 2: that I don't even know is her favorite Tim McGraw

1043
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 2: stuff because it happened after the early and before he

1044
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 2: kind of had this like reinvented. Yeah, yeah, because he

1045
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 2: never retired but like hit hard again.

1046
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 3: But I agree.

1047
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 2: I always thought that I was like, that's the worst generation,

1048
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 2: but because she was right in it and she's from Oklahoma,

1049
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 2: she was like, no, no.

1050
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 3: This is my favorite.

1051
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: So I agree. The only person I've ever heard that

1052
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 2: from my wife.

1053
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 1: Though it gets overshadowed because nineties country is this very

1054
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: prestigious thing into a lot of people, even people that

1055
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 1: didn't grow up in the nineties, and then obviously anything

1056
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: post Florida George the Line breaking Out is its own

1057
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: entity as well. So you have that twenty to twenty

1058
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: ten kind of era that's kind of lost in the

1059
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: shuffle there. But still there's a lot of songs that

1060
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: are played on the radio that were from that time period.

1061
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 2: I used to think too, it was just the age

1062
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 2: of the people that got to make the decisions. I

1063
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: mean that's funny, meaning the people that you know, us executives,

1064
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 2: people that are playing, like putting songs in movies the

1065
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: nineties because that was their thing. Yeah right, I don't

1066
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 2: think that as much anymore. The nineties it was so

1067
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 2: commercially massive.

1068
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 3: Like see I always wondered that like because we lived it.

1069
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 1: Or technology maybe took such advanced steps that might have

1070
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: been a.

1071
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 2: Well no, but it popped so hard, like the concerts.

1072
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 2: I mean it was huge they made.

1073
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 3: Yes, ninety's country was huge, but I lost.

1074
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 2: Over into mainstream so much that people that didn't know

1075
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 2: country music started. It was like the seventies whenever like

1076
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 2: disco or and then even like the disco cowboy type

1077
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 2: stuff where people in New York City but start wearing

1078
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 2: cowboy hats. Yeah, like I got that big or did

1079
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 2: that again in the night.

1080
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: Remember that they did a halftime show at the super Bowl,

1081
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: Like there was a nineties country Yeah.

1082
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a bunch of winch artists.

1083
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 1: Be pretty I mean, you would never think that would

1084
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: happen nowadays, that they would pay.

1085
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe right now I would for the first time,

1086
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 2: but never up until right now.

1087
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:23,919
Speaker 1: With Morgan and more.

1088
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 2: I think that we have three football stadium MacX right

1089
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 2: now that aren't that are under forty Morgan, Luke, Zach Bryant,

1090
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 2: who he says he's not country artist, but that just

1091
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 2: makes it more of a country artist.

1092
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: They stream so much more than anybody else, and everybody mad.

1093
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, but I agree there's no country artist. Okay,

1094
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 2: Shania did it, but she also was.

1095
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 3: A pop artist.

1096
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 2: Yes, so yeah, that's but I stand by twenty tens

1097
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 2: bad Era.

1098
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 3: I'm with you, bad Era. I don't know any of that.

1099
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 2: So Eddie, I do, and it's actually pretty good. With

1100
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 2: my wife plays and she's like what about I'm like,

1101
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 2: I'm like.

1102
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's goal. Yeah, all right, go ahead, Eddie. So

1103
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,760
Speaker 3: when you listen to music, question for both of you guys,

1104
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 3: are you a melody person or are you a lyric person?

1105
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 2: Like?

1106
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 3: What are you listening to? First?

1107
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: I think, I mean I'm a melody person. I just

1108
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: think it's what grabs the average listener, you know, So

1109
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: when our writers turn in songs. That's really the first

1110
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: thing I'm looking for is a melody. Lyrics obviously have

1111
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: to make some sort of sense, and I have to

1112
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: like that as well. But I mean, if you've got

1113
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: a great melody, and I mean a great melody like

1114
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: Cruise is an all time melody. If you get that right,

1115
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: you're I mean, you're to the five yard line. You

1116
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: just got to take it into the end zone.

1117
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 2: Could you have made that song.

1118
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 3: Don't hit on the alarm, make me want.

1119
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 2: A snooze melody? Yeah, with any lyrics, and also because

1120
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 2: it's a very strong melody, yes, as long as it's

1121
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 2: it's not absurd as all.

1122
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: As it's not absurd yet, Yeah, like don't I mean,

1123
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: if you got the great melody, you're driving the corvette,

1124
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: just don't drive it off the road into the ditch,

1125
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: you know, just you know. But yeah, I look for

1126
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: melody first. I think ten years ago, maybe fifteen years ago,

1127
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,280
Speaker 1: I would have said lyric, But I think now it's melody.

1128
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 2: Know that you've grown up to the rifle age of

1129
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:06,439
Speaker 2: like what fifteen now thirty five? Youngest crap, youngest crap

1130
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 2: he does. So you're thinking like Mama, I'm thinking like

1131
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 2: I'm like a kid through the door to things with him.

1132
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 2: Looks like he just like, you know, it's you got

1133
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 2: that young face? What say you, Eddie?

1134
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 3: No, I was trying to think of like, yeah, you

1135
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 3: could put anything in cruise.

1136
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 2: I mean, you do anything.

1137
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 3: But yeah, Mama, I really love her.

1138
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 2: But then I woke up and I was wrong.

1139
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 1: You're about mementos or something.

1140
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, me guess I don't know lyrics. I love slow.

1141
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,439
Speaker 2: I think part of the reason I love slow songs

1142
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 2: is because I can actually hear the lyrics and I

1143
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 2: can learn them a little bit.

1144
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 3: But I can't.

1145
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 2: I don't know lyrics we were trying to sing.

1146
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think every time you and I

1147
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 3: try to sing any song, whether it's a song we

1148
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 3: just heard or whatever, it's no, I don't know any lyrics.

1149
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 2: My wife has a weird brain where she knows relurked

1150
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 2: every song. After one listen, she can spell words from

1151
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 2: order backward in her head. She memorizes every but it's

1152
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 2: not it's not like something that she desired to do.

1153
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 3: So she's not like, look at this.

1154
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 2: She actually kind of embarrassed about it because we'll get

1155
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,399
Speaker 2: someone I'll be like, hey, somebody, just say a word.

1156
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:17,280
Speaker 2: It don't matter what the word is, okay, peacock, and

1157
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 2: I'll be like, do it, Kaylene trickle p.

1158
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 3: E A c O c k k c O c

1159
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 3: e aby. She could do it all words.

1160
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: Crazy. That's amazing.

1161
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 2: It's annoying and awesome because if we get into a fight,

1162
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 2: I know she remembers, and that sucks because most like, like,

1163
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 2: you didn't say that, I didn't say that. I know

1164
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 2: that she remembers. And so now though, my my argument

1165
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 2: back to her is you know that I know that

1166
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 2: you remember, and so you know you can say anything

1167
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,240
Speaker 2: even if you're wrong. So you're probably not telling the truth.

1168
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:49,439
Speaker 2: I got a double back.

1169
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 3: That's your technique.

1170
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, God, or I just stopped talking and it's like,

1171
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm so mad. I'm not gonna talk

1172
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 2: anymore with a silent yeah. But just because I know

1173
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 2: she photographed memory, it's wild.

1174
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 3: It really is wild.

1175
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,760
Speaker 2: It's like a special something that she was born with. Okay,

1176
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 2: let's see it.

1177
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 3: I got here. Next up man again?

1178
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: So many man, I feel the pressure too to come

1179
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: up with something good. Every time it comes back around

1180
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: to me.

1181
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 3: I know I'm starting to as soon as I'm done.

1182
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 3: I'm saying okay, I wrote like nine this kind of advice.

1183
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 2: That's your style to over overdo it too, Chris, without

1184
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 2: saying any names, because I don't want you to say

1185
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 2: names or to feel pressure to say names, nor am

1186
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 2: I going to say names. Do you believe there are

1187
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 2: any artists who are only having success because they are

1188
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 2: being strategically pushed, and that if they were not being

1189
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 2: pushed by powerful entities, they would not be successful at all?

1190
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think it goes for any format

1191
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: of music.

1192
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, uh, pop especially, but there's usually a

1193
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 2: reason with pop meaning they got Disney following, they're really

1194
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 2: pretty to do or a really good look, there's something

1195
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 2: about it in this format.

1196
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 3: Do you feel like there's anyone.

1197
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 2: In your mind that you go, they're actually not that

1198
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 2: good And it's rare in this format because you have

1199
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 2: to be good in this format, but everybody.

1200
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: Has talent to a degree in this format. I think

1201
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: it's very hard to succeed in.

1202
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 2: This Are there any in very low degrees that you

1203
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 2: can think of where you're like, this is much lower

1204
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 2: degree and they're pretty, they're they've reached the level of

1205
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 2: success or they probably wouldn't have without.

1206
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 3: I mean, Chris, can you think of one?

1207
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 1: Obviously not going to say names, but I mean I

1208
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 1: can probably get there.

1209
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I wouldn't want to.

1210
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: Well about it is that there are so many artists

1211
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: now in music, not just country, any format because of

1212
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,720
Speaker 1: TikTok and social media and streaming. I mean, you grab

1213
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 1: your guitar, you turn on your phone, you're an artist.

1214
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,879
Speaker 3: Let me back it up. Okay, that's an absolutely great point.

1215
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 2: I want to make sure that that is not allowed

1216
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 2: in this question because that is a perfect point. I

1217
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 2: didn't think about anyone with multiple.

1218
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: Hits, multiple hits streaming radio does it well radio?

1219
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 2: Okay, his streaming is weird because he to make a

1220
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 2: stream of town I don't know they are.

1221
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna actually say like a soft no. And the

1222
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,240
Speaker 1: reason being is that, you know, going back on country radio.

1223
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: Country radio is a very whether it should be this

1224
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 1: way or not, it's a very people oriented thing where

1225
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: if certain programmers don't believe you're invested into the format,

1226
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: and they don't personally believe you're good or you're not

1227
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: a good person, you're gonna have a harder time getting

1228
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 1: airplay at country radio. It's not that way for other formats,

1229
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: but it is in country, or at least it was

1230
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: when I was in radio.

1231
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're a big diddy guy. Oh gosh, oh

1232
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 3: my goodness, kidding, he's not.

1233
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 2: I'm kidding. It's just like the worst thing you can say,

1234
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 2: red Yeah.

1235
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. We added that.

1236
00:53:51,520 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 4: The Bobby cast will be right back. This is the

1237
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:04,760
Speaker 4: Bobby Cast.

1238
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 2: I can think of someone that is not good one

1239
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 2: or one specifically that's not I would say there they

1240
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 2: lived in Tulsa, because they're not from Tula they'd be locally,

1241
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 2: they'd be like really good, but here.

1242
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 1: Just everybody's the best in their hometown.

1243
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, but just even but here not that good. And

1244
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 2: I had a big career. I think got I had

1245
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 2: the right push and had it happened with anybody else,

1246
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 2: it would not have happened. It's like the least talented

1247
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 2: star people said about me too, and and it'd be

1248
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 2: like thank god, like at.

1249
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 3: Least of the starr. And that's why we're not saying names, or.

1250
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 1: I think that's a good way to put it. The

1251
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: least talented. Least talent is like zero talent.

1252
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 2: We've had some people that sing in the studio and

1253
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 2: we're just like we have to like look down.

1254
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 3: Look. There's two versions of it.

1255
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 2: One is if I look down and keep my head

1256
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 2: down because I'm just like, oh man, I feel bad

1257
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 2: for them. Two as if I look down and you know,

1258
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 2: like in church when some monsters laughing and you can't stop,

1259
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 2: you look down and you're.

1260
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 3: Like you don't want to.

1261
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: It's such a cringe worthy moment you have to look

1262
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 1: away from everybody or you're going to laugh.

1263
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 3: Well, what's cool about our studio? And kind of a

1264
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 3: bad thing too. For artists. It's like it's it's stripped down.

1265
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 3: It's just you and your guitar most of the time. Yeah,

1266
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 3: there's no hiding, there's no hide in it. So we

1267
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 3: get to see the true of everyone that comes in.

1268
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we need to say it a couple of

1269
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 2: times because sometimes you can just be sick, we're having

1270
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 2: a bad day and not sing your best. Because there

1271
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 2: are times where I do stuff and it's not my best.

1272
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: I mean we say that about you know people, or

1273
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: I mean it could be writers or artists where we

1274
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: ask our writer how it went and they're like that

1275
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: was pretty bad, but they're like it could have just

1276
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: been a bad day.

1277
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could have been multiple instances. I like your answer.

1278
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 2: You're a nice guy.

1279
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 3: You are a nice guy. You're a nice guy.

1280
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 1: No, you are like it literally, so zero zero talent

1281
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: versus lead to yes. I like that is argue with

1282
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: that they.

1283
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 2: Are not for other people in their category.

1284
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 3: They are not near.

1285
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: Yes, I agree on hundred percent it, which is.

1286
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 2: Rare for this format because the pop music that happens

1287
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 2: all the time because they have different reasons to push

1288
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 2: people for marketability purposes. But here you need to be

1289
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 2: good first and then they figure how to market you.

1290
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 2: I think I was talking.

1291
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: About this with another music publisher in talent a few

1292
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 1: weeks ago, and we were talking about, you know what

1293
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 1: it takes to succeed not only with a record deal,

1294
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,439
Speaker 1: but a publishing deal. We with talent was the only

1295
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: reason you were successful, It is not. You got to

1296
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: have the right people around you, the right timing, the

1297
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,800
Speaker 1: right work ethic, the right personality, all these other things

1298
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: have to go into it. Some of the most talented

1299
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 1: people lose their record deals or lose their publishing deals

1300
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 1: and they're never famous and nobody knows who they are.

1301
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 2: So and the timing thing again, Yet It's such a

1302
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 2: big part of it because there are people who are

1303
00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 2: freaking awesome, but they're like sonically, their style is not

1304
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 2: perfect for what is commercially viable. What's cool is when

1305
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 2: it catches up. Yes, I think we saw that a

1306
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 2: little bit with Haley Witters, who was doing her own

1307
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 2: thing for years and it was never gonna work because

1308
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:18,439
Speaker 2: she was just yeah, and then it kind of came

1309
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 2: around to her and then gave her a role opportunity,

1310
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 2: you know, to at least have an opportunity.

1311
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: There's a lot of examples like that in country where

1312
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: they just could not have picked, not to their own fault,

1313
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: they just couldn't pick the worse time to you know, debut,

1314
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: whether it be a radio or just in general. I

1315
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: can think of acts like Greg Bates. I think Greg

1316
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: Bates is great. Just he decided to have his debut

1317
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: single right when Florida Georgia line did, and like radio

1318
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: completely shifted from that point. And sometimes it's not your

1319
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 1: own fault, it's just timing.

1320
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's when I sell out, though I don't

1321
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 3: even know who that is. Greg Bates.

1322
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 2: Oh, he now goes by the name Machine On Kelly.

1323
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, you go who is not country by the way.

1324
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 3: I mean, don't you think though, like it takes so

1325
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 3: much to be an artist, Like there are all these

1326
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 3: elements to being an artist, where like sometimes your likability, yeah,

1327
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 3: the personality, every part of it is can there.

1328
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: Yes, there's so much that goes into it that most

1329
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: people don't realize.

1330
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 2: But you still in this format you can have all

1331
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 2: of that. But if you're not good, you still don't

1332
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 2: make it. Ninety nine point numbers in at the time, Like, you.

1333
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 3: Have to be good here at some point.

1334
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: It is like you are going to stumble, Like whether

1335
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: it's now or whether it's down the road, at some

1336
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: point you will stumble if you don't have the you know,

1337
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: the talent.

1338
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 2: You have to be good here. Except if it's one

1339
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 2: person I'm thinking of there's and there's two other ones

1340
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 2: that I'm like, yeah, right right, this is one. I'm

1341
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 2: just like, it's pretty amazing.

1342
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like what I need to like celebrate it

1343
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 3: because it really is.

1344
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like they've managed to escape Alcatraz and then

1345
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 2: you wonder.

1346
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 3: You're like, wow, yeah, use a boat.

1347
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 2: We thought you diedot sharks, Like were you even in jail?

1348
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: Just makeshift rauts that you're built and you made it

1349
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:55,439
Speaker 1: across the bay.

1350
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 3: Okay, uh, Christy beck Up, Yeah, I am so.

1351
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: This is actually a topic I was discussing two days

1352
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: ago with the writer, me and him. You know, this

1353
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: guy is in his thirties. I'm in my thirties. We

1354
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: both grew up at a time where you would go

1355
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: to Walmart and buy an album on a Tuesday, and

1356
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: you would read the pamphlet and listen, you know, front

1357
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: the back to the whole album. Maybe you go to

1358
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: iTunes and you know, you have twenty dollars available on

1359
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: the card and you have to make sure you pick

1360
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,439
Speaker 1: the right songs because you're spending your money or you're

1361
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: using your mom's card or something to pick the right

1362
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: songs to download, and you would listen over and over again.

1363
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: Now with streaming, it has become so easy to access

1364
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: any kind of music, as it may be kind of

1365
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 1: devalued listening to music, and maybe that's affecting who succeeds

1366
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 1: in music who doesn't, Because you can listen to anything

1367
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: anytime you want to. So music isn't not to say

1368
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: it's not as special anymore, but it's just different. And

1369
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: now we're so far into streaming, there's people that growing

1370
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: up with streaming, they don't know how it was back then,

1371
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 1: and maybe they don't value records in music and artists

1372
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:01,439
Speaker 1: like maybe you and I did.

1373
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 3: It's funny because like I have four kids, and one

1374
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 3: of them loves to listen to old music stuff I

1375
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 3: grew up with, you know, because he like, I play

1376
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 3: it all the time in the car and he's just like,

1377
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 3: that's a jam, Dad, love it. And he's got his

1378
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 3: own playlist and he listens to def Leppard, you know,

1379
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 3: Van Halen Pearl jam. But he's done with it after

1380
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 3: a week that song's off the playlist. He listened to

1381
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 3: it a thousand times off the playlist, which is almost

1382
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 3: like what you're saying, like the mind of a young

1383
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 3: music consumer that's like, all right, we're on in the

1384
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 3: next Yeah, I consumed everything I could out of that song.

1385
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 3: Don't like it anymore. I'm good without without hearing it

1386
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 3: ever again.

1387
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: You listen to it so much when it first comes

1388
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: out that you just get burnt out on it on

1389
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 1: your own doing, you know, And then maybe you have

1390
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 1: ten thousand songs on your iPhone. Yeah, you're not going

1391
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 1: to get to all of them. So after you listen

1392
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: to something so many times, you're probably not gonna listen

1393
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: to it again for the most part, maybe ever again,

1394
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,479
Speaker 1: or at least not for a very long time.

1395
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 3: And me, dude, I can listen to Power of Love

1396
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 3: for the rest of my life. Amen, Like, for the

1397
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 3: rest of my life. I could hear it every that

1398
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 3: I know.

1399
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 2: I think it's one of those your strength is your weakness,

1400
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 2: your bigges strength is your biggest weakness. I don't think

1401
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 2: music is as precious anymore because we're not having to

1402
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 2: spend money on a tangible even a downloading a song.

1403
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 2: We could call that tangible because we now owned it

1404
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 2: on our computer. It doesn't happen anymore, and we had

1405
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 2: to use our own money to do that. So I

1406
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 2: don't think music is as precious anymore individually. But I

1407
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 2: think the so that that's.

1408
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: The weak part of it, and there's so much of

1409
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 1: it too.

1410
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 2: I think the great part of it, though, is that

1411
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 2: you can really find specifically what you like it extremely nuanced.

1412
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 2: For we're called a format of what you like. I

1413
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 2: think you could like the like say you like country music,

1414
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 2: which is like man like Sierra Ferrell, say you say

1415
01:01:55,520 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 2: her last name, like, you probably wouldn't find her because

1416
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 2: a label probably wouldn't have signed her because there were

1417
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 2: eight labels. It's like TV channels and there are only

1418
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 2: so many artists are gonna sign. And you were treating

1419
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 2: anything you bought precious and you liked it because of

1420
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 2: all that was offered. But maybe you don't find her

1421
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 2: because they label didn't invest money in signing her deal

1422
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 2: developing her abcdf T right, So I think music isn't

1423
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 2: as precious individually, but I think the fact that it

1424
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 2: allows each person to find out and to find music

1425
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:37,919
Speaker 2: that excites them on an intimate level, I think that

1426
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 2: is the real strength in having unlimited music. So the opposite,

1427
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 2: like twenty years ago, music is much more precious and

1428
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 2: you find the stuff that you really like, but there's

1429
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 2: not as much of it, so maybe it's hard to

1430
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 2: find stuff that you like really personally like, feel and understand.

1431
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think the bigges strength is your biggest

1432
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 2: way and your biggest weakness. That's your biggest strength in

1433
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 2: this case, and it's probably always going to be like that.

1434
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 2: But yeah, you're right, I don't and I think albums

1435
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 2: are done right. I understand why artists want to do them.

1436
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 2: So you put in a bunch of songs.

1437
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 3: It's just it's a.

1438
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 2: It would be my my. The parallel I would put

1439
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 2: in my career is I will get offered to do

1440
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 2: a certain TV show and the TV show is garbage

1441
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 2: or semi garbage, and I go, man, but it's TV,

1442
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 2: and then I may my agent will go bro, you

1443
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 2: get more eyes and ears on like eight other things

1444
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 2: that you do more than doing this prestigious TV show.

1445
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 2: Like so you can do it if it just makes

1446
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 2: you feel good, so go ahead, go do your TV show.

1447
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 2: Not usually gonna some people are gonna watch it.

1448
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 3: Something sounds cool to have a TV show exactly.

1449
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 2: It sounds going to put out an album.

1450
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 3: It does because it's a it's.

1451
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 1: You've made it if you put out on an album, absolutely.

1452
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 2: And you've made it if you've got a TV show.

1453
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 2: But they're like, you have to like think about this

1454
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 2: differently now, because eyes and ears are currency, right, you

1455
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 2: got them.

1456
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 3: You can turn it.

1457
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 2: You can make way more money, you can get way

1458
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 2: more people watching and listening by doing these albumove the

1459
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 2: radio show from it, but doing this podcast, doing the

1460
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 2: social content. Doing this, then you would do in the

1461
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 2: TV show and so to me, I compare albums and

1462
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 2: like how how I would relate to it? And so

1463
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 2: an artists wanted to put out at eleven twelve track

1464
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 2: album to be like I'm releasing an album to me

1465
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 2: going I've got a TV show, when in reality I

1466
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 2: would probably get way more traction doing a couple smaller

1467
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 2: things here that pop so much harder when releasing a

1468
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 2: single or two songs at once. Now there are the

1469
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 2: outliers like the Morgans who put out forty songs, which

1470
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 2: that was a crazy outlier, and everyone now everybody does

1471
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 2: it because he did it and they saw like the

1472
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 2: success of just a big dump. But that's not even

1473
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 2: an album. That's like a quadruple yeah album of So not.

1474
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 1: Only certain artists can do that kind of thing. You've

1475
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 1: got to make sure that you have the or base

1476
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 1: where that would pay off and benefit you and the

1477
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 1: label to do something like that. So only Morgan and

1478
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 1: select other few like Zach Bryant can actually do that,

1479
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: or at least in this format.

1480
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 3: But I agree with your statementition your question.

1481
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 2: I think music is far less precious, but I think

1482
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 2: it gives everybody an opportunity to find things that are

1483
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 2: specifically precious to them. We want to spend money on it,

1484
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 2: so it's like who cares? Yeah, we just And if

1485
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 2: you put out an album I'm listened to, I'm not gonna

1486
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 2: listen to the whole thing. I'm almost like five songs

1487
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna be like, like this one, I'll save

1488
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 2: this one, maybe I save two.

1489
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 1: I can't imagine. I have a friend who's like twenty

1490
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 1: five years old. I can't imagine him literally buying an

1491
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 1: album of fifteen songs and start to finish it. Will

1492
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 1: will not happen? Will never happen?

1493
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 3: Are Vinyls still thing? Like I know they're trying to?

1494
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, Vinyls beat see these to the first time ever,

1495
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 2: like two years.

1496
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 1: Ago, because it's cooler. It's the branding.

1497
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 2: It's like, what is this and there's new or that's tangible,

1498
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 2: land of non te people collected.

1499
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: It's a collector's item for people, you know pictures.

1500
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 2: This's the only place you get to see album art anymore.

1501
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 3: That's right, Yes, yeah, in the sleeve of the record.

1502
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right.

1503
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 3: Thirty second question or the final question. It's a quick hitterer,

1504
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 3: go real quick. What's your favorite music documentary?

1505
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 1: Music documentary. That's a great one. Man. I love the

1506
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: Tom Petty.

1507
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 3: One Running Out of Dream. Yeah, so good.

1508
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 1: It's so good, all the stories that I had no

1509
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 1: idea how they made it that far without basically yeah good.

1510
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 3: But long it is is long. But it was one

1511
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 3: of those where you watched and I didn't realize how

1512
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 3: long it was until I finished it, Like, wow, that

1513
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 3: was that took a long time.

1514
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 2: Yes, I remember I started watching it the day after

1515
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 2: my birthday and then when I finished it was my

1516
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 2: birthday again. Yeah, I was like wow, yeah, but right,

1517
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 2: if so long?

1518
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 3: The right one it is?

1519
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was really good. That's a good answer.

1520
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:47,439
Speaker 2: So I guess my answer is going to be because

1521
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 2: I don't know if what best is and I would

1522
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 2: sit and argue with myself and change my mind four times.

1523
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 2: But the one that that I think about when someone goes, hey,

1524
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 2: recommend me a music documentary is the Janish Shoplin one.

1525
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 3: Because I felt one so bad for her and you

1526
01:06:59,160 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 3: learned so much.

1527
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 2: Learned a bunch about her, meaning I mean I felt

1528
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 2: bad for her because they just treated her so bad

1529
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 2: because she was quote ugly.

1530
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 3: Yes, have you ever said you've seen it? Her whole life?

1531
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 3: They treated her like she was ugly. I had no

1532
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 3: idea that her and Jerry Garcia were a thing like that.

1533
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 3: That like hurt my heart for her.

1534
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 2: And then the fact that she never even got to

1535
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 2: see success because she died before me and Bobby McGee

1536
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 2: came out, you know, Christoph, and she died before that.

1537
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 2: So I I still think about that and I felt so.

1538
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 3: Bad for her.

1539
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 2: So that one really touched me in a way that

1540
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 2: I wasn't expecting because I was just like, let's go

1541
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 2: watch Oh lord, won't you buy me Mercy? Then you

1542
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 2: watch it and you're like, man, that is it is

1543
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 2: a troubled, troubled life in person, and uh so not

1544
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 2: my favorite, but I think about it. Yeah, last quite

1545
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 2: give me a quick one.

1546
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 1: Oh man, quick, Well, I'm gonna do I'm gonna do

1547
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 1: an audible here because it just saw to this okay

1548
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 1: as we were talking. I just think it's funny now

1549
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 1: that I've been living in Nashville for about seven months

1550
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 1: now and I've been coming here for a few years.

1551
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 1: Me growing up on nineties two thousands country, you know,

1552
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 1: may being kind of weird and knowing every single song

1553
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 1: that there is, you know, every artist that both takes

1554
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 1: off and doesn't take off. And I don't know, there's

1555
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 1: there seems to be some kind of stigma, maybe in

1556
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 1: town or maybe just with the community, where like maybe

1557
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:26,640
Speaker 1: some people don't want to talk about their failures in

1558
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 1: the music industry when it shouldn't be viewed that way,

1559
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:31,799
Speaker 1: and it happens to so many people, and it's okay

1560
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 1: to talk about a song in a glowing way that

1561
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 1: did not hit the top forty or something like that.

1562
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 1: Or it's almost like now I have to be careful.

1563
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:41,639
Speaker 1: I don't want to, you know, make anybody mad when

1564
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 1: I've remfered a song that I like that you know,

1565
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 1: died in the fifties, but I love it. But I

1566
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 1: still want people to know about this artist when it

1567
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 1: came out. I just feel like, is there like, have

1568
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: you ever come across any kind of artist that maybe

1569
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:59,440
Speaker 1: don't like talking about their past because it wasn't successful,

1570
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 1: even though it'd have been good and cool, they just

1571
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 1: don't like talking about it because they didn't, you know, succeed.

1572
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 2: I won't say her name. I had a conversation with

1573
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 2: somebody about two weeks ago. She called and she was like, hey,

1574
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 2: I'm off I got dropped. I know her personally because

1575
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 2: I don't really have I just don't have artist conversations

1576
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 2: with people, meaning not that I wouldn't, but it's just

1577
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 2: not my job, right, like I'm just supposed to be

1578
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:22,480
Speaker 2: funny or whatever. And but she called, I'm known forever decade.

1579
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:26,640
Speaker 2: She just got droped from my label. And she asked, like,

1580
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 2: what do I do? And I was like, first, you

1581
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 2: gotta stop thinking that anybody cares.

1582
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 3: You got to drop from your label. Nobody cares.

1583
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 2: We don't know that, like like people know, people don't

1584
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 2: even know the label does and people don't have a

1585
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:40,639
Speaker 2: label now for a good reason. She was like, yeah,

1586
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 2: but they were. They were like, you know billboards. It said, hey,

1587
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 2: what what name of billboard you saw last month? Is

1588
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 2: what I said, Just name any billboard you saw last month.

1589
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1590
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's and I said, and in the best way,

1591
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 2: because it can also seem like the worst way, nobody cares.

1592
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 2: Nobody cares. And yeah, it might sound sad, Oh nobody

1593
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 2: cares about me. That's not what I'm saying. Everybody cares

1594
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 2: about themselves so much that they're not focusing on you

1595
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 2: were remembering any failure that you had no so and

1596
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:11,799
Speaker 2: if you want to talk about it, great, that's strength,

1597
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 2: and that's that's something for you to talk about. But

1598
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 2: if you don't, you can't be worried other people are

1599
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:17,559
Speaker 2: thinking about you as that person.

1600
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 1: They're not at all at all.

1601
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 2: They're so hyper focused on themselves what they're trying to do,

1602
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:22,600
Speaker 2: that they're not I.

1603
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 1: Think we're in I think like going off with that.

1604
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 1: We're all self conscious about what other people think. Yes,

1605
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 1: where because we're all self conscious, we're actually just thinking

1606
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: about ourselves. And you know, when we hear your name

1607
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 1: as an artist, we're not thinking about what label you're on.

1608
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 1: Most people don't even know what label you were on,

1609
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 1: or they.

1610
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 2: I don't know what labels are going on, and I'm

1611
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 2: just like part of my job.

1612
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 1: Most people that are Zach Bryan fans, the vast majority

1613
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 1: of them probably have zero idea he's even on a label.

1614
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:47,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that was a conversation I had with her.

1615
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:49,599
Speaker 2: It was like, a you really shouldn't be afraid to talk

1616
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 2: about it. Actually give you something to talk about that.

1617
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 2: People were like, oh, because everyone thinks the artists are

1618
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 2: you know, perfect millionaires. And as soon as you stop

1619
01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:00,960
Speaker 2: worrying about trying to impress people and you start thinking

1620
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 2: about relating to people like that's where the success comes from.

1621
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 2: So we're just reminding her that it doesn't matter nothing,

1622
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 2: nobody cares, and there's real power nobody caring. And she's

1623
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 2: she's she's awesome, she's she's the exact opposite of the

1624
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:18,719
Speaker 2: other artist I was talking about, where she is so talented,

1625
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:20,720
Speaker 2: she just has not had it go her way, but

1626
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 2: in every way, just pure, pure, pure as an artist.

1627
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 3: And yeah, what you're talking about.

1628
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:31,639
Speaker 2: There was that experience that I had with her where

1629
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 2: it was hopefully welcoming her to talk about this stuff

1630
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 2: that maybe she was embarrassed to talk about because I said,

1631
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 2: don't be embarrassed, because don't take this wrong a way.

1632
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 3: Nobody cares. I bet to a lot of artists, though.

1633
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 3: The pinnacle feels like getting that deal it is and

1634
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:49,400
Speaker 3: once you get there, you're like, Okay, we're going to

1635
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:52,200
Speaker 3: start rolling now, and then you get dropped and you're like, oh.

1636
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:53,639
Speaker 2: You don't have to drop No, you can literally get

1637
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:56,679
Speaker 2: signed and nothing happens.

1638
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 1: You just sit there collecting dust.

1639
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 2: Even if you don't get chilled, nothing happens. If you

1640
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 2: get a shelves the worse. But even if you don't

1641
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 2: get Shelder times, what's that?

1642
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 3: What's up?

1643
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 1: I'm not rich.

1644
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 3: Actually I'm losing money doing radio tour.

1645
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:10,919
Speaker 1: You're playing free shows everywhere.

1646
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:14,720
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, uh, gentlemen, there's a reason they call this

1647
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:21,599
Speaker 2: the greatest moon crescent crescent crescent conversation ever.

1648
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 1: If one of us was sitting over, there would be

1649
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 1: more of a round table.

1650
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 2: So we should move the chairs around. It'd be a triangle. Actually, Chris,

1651
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 2: you're awesome, dude.

1652
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 1: I like this. I like to very cool.

1653
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 3: I like the format.

1654
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 2: We should do this again a couple of months follow Chris.

1655
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 2: We said all your stuff in the beginning too. But

1656
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:38,879
Speaker 2: doesn't Chris look so young and vibrant.

1657
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 1: Yes, it's like vibrants a great word to use that

1658
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 1: for now. Yeah, crazy, tremendous word.

1659
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 2: And it's like that he was like, you know, just

1660
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 2: came out of his mom's womb, come in here, talk

1661
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:47,720
Speaker 2: about like.

1662
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 3: I'm like this guy. So yet I do want to say, like, Chris,

1663
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:52,640
Speaker 3: you're a good kid man, You're a good I know.

1664
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 2: No, no, please please keep calling me, you know at

1665
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 2: Chris owen Country on Instagram. Chris go to talk to

1666
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 2: you buddy, and we'll talk to you soon. In the artists,

1667
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:02,560
Speaker 2: I'm talking about that.

1668
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 4: No, thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production