1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio News, Single, Best Idea. 2 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 2: And today working all weekend and the team led by Joseppe. 3 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 2: The team is just incredible. You know, everybody work Isabelle 4 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 2: Lee was in with our final interviewer from our cross 5 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 2: Asset team and she said they worked. They literally worked 6 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 2: the entire weekend. There's no other way to put it. 7 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 2: And we thank all of you for listening. We're having 8 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 2: record audiences humbled by that, particularly out on YouTube where 9 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 2: you can subscribe to Bloomberg Podcasts. We made a decision 10 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 2: in the vicinity of a happy Hour on Saturday that 11 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 2: we would not do an academic Monday. We worship our 12 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 2: academic guests. What a week last week with David Blancheflower 13 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: Dugger when from Dartmouth, I believe. Do we have schedule 14 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 2: this week Professor Krugman. We have the Laureate Krugman with 15 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 2: us at some point this week and on we'll go. 16 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 2: But today we said stay on the markets and you 17 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 2: start strong with Damian Sasso or. 18 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 3: It's just about the fixings. You know, the PBOC just 19 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 3: said China will set its currency manages. It's currency tom as. 20 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 3: You know, there's a two percent band around the China 21 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 3: U one that it can move each and every day 22 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 3: before the government basically closes it down. Search breakers go up, 23 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 3: and so you know what they do is they set 24 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 3: that fixing every day. China you want is trading at 25 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 3: seven thirty one, seven thirty two. Now, well they just 26 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 3: crossed that red line on seven twenty. If they're going 27 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 3: to start allowing the fixings to gradually move higher, right, 28 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 3: that tells me everything I need to know about you know, 29 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 3: currency rep. 30 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 2: I can't say enough how important it was. I want 31 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 2: this up. I said, that's got to be our first quote. 32 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 2: I was stopped all weekend with you know, the basic 33 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: what's going to happen to that? And A I don't 34 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 2: have a market call because I know they're worthless. We're 35 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 2: all it's part of the you know, the framework of 36 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: Wall Street in that. But it's not my job to 37 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 2: have a market call. What I will say is the 38 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 2: common feature of every crisis. And when I started studying this, folks, 39 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 2: to put things in perspective, one of the four great 40 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 2: currencies of the world was the Lebanese pound. Good morning 41 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 2: nasum to leeb the Lebanese pound and the answers things 42 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 2: change and the way they change is you look at 43 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 2: the lipmus paper of the system, which is the currency market, 44 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 2: and mister Sassur there of Bloomberg Intelligence doing all our 45 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 2: em work, went right to the heart of it, which 46 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 2: is watch the ren minbi, the Chinese yuan, and to 47 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 2: go from seven up to seven point three zero a 48 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 2: weaker yuan and depreciate and to go out further is 49 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 2: not unimaginable. Given this trauma. Could the yuan get back 50 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,679 Speaker 2: to where it was? And I believe two thousand and 51 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 2: fifteen or two thousand and five, I honestly can't remember 52 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 2: back when it was unpegged a decade or or so ago. 53 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 2: Damien Sasar, he'll be with us. You're more through the week. 54 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 2: Many people helping us out today with a cross section 55 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 2: of opinions. I tried to stay away from the Fed 56 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 2: parlor game. Guess what, it doesn't matter right now. I 57 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 2: just don't think it's germane to the debate. Here is 58 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 2: from RBC Capital Markets on the equity market collapse, Laurie Calvcina. 59 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 4: The reality is is that you know when I highlight 60 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 4: this small cap chart and that we're at thirteen times, 61 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 4: or at least we were as a Thursday. People say, well, 62 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 4: we have to adjust the earnings, and I say, I know, 63 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 4: we have to adjust the earnings. That's the separate thing though, 64 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 4: if you look at you know, sort of historically my 65 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 4: forward pe data eleven to thirteen times is where small 66 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 4: caps tend to bottom out even when the E is 67 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 4: too high. And people just can't mentally wrap their heads 68 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 4: around that. But it is something important you have to 69 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 4: keep in mind because it's one of those things again 70 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 4: that you have to see. It's not going to peg 71 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 4: a bottom on its own, but it's still a signal 72 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 4: even though there's some problems with the need. Now. I 73 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 4: do think with earnings, we have to get the numbers 74 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 4: down before anybody is going to have faith to come 75 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 4: in and buy here. Forty percent of the revisions and 76 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 4: the wrote the Russell and S ANDP are still to 77 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 4: the upside. Nobody's cutting numbers because they don't you know, 78 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 4: I don't know a lot of different reasons, but nobody's 79 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 4: been cutting the number. 80 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 2: That's a really important insight. Lori kelvissena IBC Capital Markets. 81 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 2: I thought Michael Purvis was great on this and a 82 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 2: number of others. Keith learning from truists was wonderful. This 83 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 2: is all happening so fast. Let me explain this now. 84 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: I think it's incredibly important. The financial media talks percent change. 85 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 2: Of the indices. The SPX is the most mathematically integral indicy. 86 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 2: We use the Dow because America is riveted to it 87 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 2: from our past. It's not as good an index. I 88 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 2: get it, and we look at percent change. A correction 89 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 2: is in the vicinity of ten percent down. A bear 90 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 2: market is eighteen percent down, and the kind of wash 91 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 2: out you get in an sequential crisis is down thirty 92 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: five percent or something like that. The pros don't do that. 93 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 2: They do a thing called standard deviations. I'm not going 94 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 2: to go into it on a podcast, but the answer 95 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 2: is we are at a point of stress in standard 96 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 2: deviations down three point six, three point eight percent. I 97 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 2: know those are just numbers, and where we get stressful 98 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 2: is down four standard deviations. We're not there yet. I'll 99 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 2: tell you when we get there. On your commute across 100 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: the nation. Thank you so much for listening, particularly the 101 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 2: ninety nine to one FM in America's Washington. On YouTube, 102 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 2: subscribe to a Bloomberg podcast and on YouTube podcast It's 103 00:05:47,440 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 2: single best idea American