WEBVTT - Episode 1: Netizens Assemble

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<v Speaker 1>in Apple Podcasts or at pushkin dot fm, slash plus. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get into it. It's been a decade now since

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<v Speaker 1>members of the Standing Rocks to Tribe launched a historic

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<v Speaker 1>movement to stop construction of the Dakota Access Pipeline, but

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<v Speaker 1>somehow details of the pipeline company's efforts to undermine the

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<v Speaker 1>movement are still coming to light. I'm Amy Westervelt and

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<v Speaker 1>this is Drilled. Last year we brought you Slapped from

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<v Speaker 1>reporter Alan Brown, the story of the pipeline company Energy

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<v Speaker 1>Transfers massive lawsuit blaming Green Peace for the Standing Rock movement.

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<v Speaker 1>Energy Transfer won that suit, and the judgment was so

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<v Speaker 1>large it puts the future of green Peace in the

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<v Speaker 1>US at risk. Standing Rock started out as one indigenous

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<v Speaker 1>nation's attempt to protect their drinking water, sacred sites, and

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<v Speaker 1>treaty rights. Then thousands of people showed up to camps

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<v Speaker 1>at the edge of the reservation to support them. But

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<v Speaker 1>for Energy Transfer's brand, the story of Standing Rock was

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<v Speaker 1>as dangerous as any protest, so Energy Transfer's lawsuit wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>just about sticking it to green Peace. The company used

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<v Speaker 1>a big swing legal case to retell the story of

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<v Speaker 1>an indigenous led water protector movement. And that effort didn't

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<v Speaker 1>start in the courtroom, but in an incredibly well documented

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<v Speaker 1>ground campaign. Alien's back to tell you the story of

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<v Speaker 1>that campaign.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this Do Hi, Doug. My name is Ellen Brown.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a reporter working in a story related to the

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<v Speaker 2>protests back in twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen against the

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<v Speaker 2>Dakota Access Pipeline, And some guys at Rusty's tavern said

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<v Speaker 2>that you would be a good person to talk to.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I can't believe we were begging in the stores

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<v Speaker 3>and rushies.

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<v Speaker 2>This past spring. Some guys at a bar in Morton County,

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<v Speaker 2>North Dakota told me that if I wanted to understand

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<v Speaker 2>the impact the Standing Rock movement had on nearby communities,

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<v Speaker 2>I should call up the rancher, Doug Hilly. And Doug

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<v Speaker 2>got right to the point, what is the place like

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<v Speaker 2>where you're from?

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<v Speaker 3>Not many people live here, and we had strangers driving around.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll that's Doug lives on a dead end road and

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<v Speaker 2>part of the Dakota Access Pipeline route runs nearby. Unusual

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<v Speaker 2>stuff started to happen.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a.

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<v Speaker 4>Group out of street car, somebody sitting.

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<v Speaker 3>In the back seat with a big cameral and sticking out.

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<v Speaker 3>I asked him what they were doing on the road

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<v Speaker 3>here and they said it's a public road and I said, well,

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<v Speaker 3>we watched drives in this neighborhood and we.

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<v Speaker 4>Want to know the reason that you're here.

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<v Speaker 2>The strangers wouldn't answer many questions, so.

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<v Speaker 4>I went.

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<v Speaker 3>Come back into the yard and picked up a rifle.

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<v Speaker 3>They were taking pictures of the yard in a mailbox

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<v Speaker 3>and everything, and I said I think you should leave,

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<v Speaker 3>and they said, are you going to make us? I

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<v Speaker 3>said no, but my friend here and.

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<v Speaker 4>My rifle will probably helped me and they left.

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<v Speaker 2>Doug told me that they posted images of him online.

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<v Speaker 2>He began hearing other stories from his neighbors. A group

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<v Speaker 2>of protesters blocked a school bus from taking their normal route.

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<v Speaker 2>A grandma and her grandkids hid in the safe room

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<v Speaker 2>for four hours because they were worried about protesters. The

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<v Speaker 2>new traffic made it difficult for Doug and people he

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<v Speaker 2>knew to drive semi trucks loaded with hay down narrow

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<v Speaker 2>country roads.

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<v Speaker 3>I and several other people just out in the habit

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<v Speaker 3>that we carried the weapons for personal protection.

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<v Speaker 2>With us, Doug said, Even a decade later, those wounds

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<v Speaker 2>haven't healed.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of us, myself included, have not been on Standing

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<v Speaker 3>Rock since.

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<v Speaker 2>On my trips to North Dakota, I've spent a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of time trying to figure out what this place was

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<v Speaker 2>all about. I wandered the streets of Bismarck and the

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<v Speaker 2>town across the River Mandan, and drove down the county

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<v Speaker 2>highways that connect the cities with the reserv The roads

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<v Speaker 2>are bordered by grassy, rolling hills and occasionally these dramatic buttes.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really pretty. There are a few tiny towns on

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<v Speaker 2>the way and dirt roads leading to ranches like Dugs.

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<v Speaker 2>When Energy Transfers private security contractors first touched down in

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<v Speaker 2>this area in twenty sixteen, they found a community that

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<v Speaker 2>was already pretty angry and freaked out about the pipeline protests,

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<v Speaker 2>and the company developed a social media campaign aimed at

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<v Speaker 2>hardening those divisions. This all went down at the start

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<v Speaker 2>of an era of social media misinformation that would transform

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<v Speaker 2>American's relationships with each other these days. Versions of the

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<v Speaker 2>Facebook propaganda campaign that hit North Dakota get used around

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<v Speaker 2>the world. But what's different in this case is that

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<v Speaker 2>I got a hold of the receipts through a public

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<v Speaker 2>records request. I obtained over one hundred pages of internal

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<v Speaker 2>email and WhatsApp chat records where Energy Transfers propagandists talk

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<v Speaker 2>about exactly what they were trying to do and why

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Aline Brown for drilled and this is the propagandist.

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<v Speaker 2>The inside story of a narrative war between a pipeline

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<v Speaker 2>company and an environmental movement. Back in twenty sixteen, a

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<v Speaker 2>private Facebook group called Defend Bisman became the place for

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<v Speaker 2>neighbors to exchange their negative experiences with the Standing Rock protests.

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<v Speaker 2>BISMAN stands for Bismarck and Mandan and kay Lecoe was

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<v Speaker 2>the administrator of the group. At that time, she was

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<v Speaker 2>also a spokesperson for a coal industry group. I met

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<v Speaker 2>her at a locally owned coffee shop in Bismarck.

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<v Speaker 4>Stick this in your face a little bit on a rom.

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<v Speaker 5>And my voice projects quite well, so great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just wanted to ask you about two things

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<v Speaker 2>about your own biography. One is, you know, just because

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<v Speaker 2>I think people who understand that you work for this

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<v Speaker 2>cool company might be like, well, you know, clearly she

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<v Speaker 2>was doing this out of her like love for the

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<v Speaker 2>fossil fuel industry. The other thing is you do horse

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<v Speaker 2>riding with guns.

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<v Speaker 5>So to your first point, I love coal, I love

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<v Speaker 5>my community. Coal and oil are completely different things. I

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<v Speaker 5>had no stance on the pipeline. There was a void

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<v Speaker 5>that I could help fill with my skill set of

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<v Speaker 5>helping create and shape constructive conversation on a Facebook group. Again,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm about my community and my people, and so yes,

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<v Speaker 5>my favorite pastime what I do in my free time

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<v Speaker 5>is I shoot guns off of horses at high speeds

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<v Speaker 5>and it's just the coolest thing in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>He tells me. The protest did cause some genuine disruptions.

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<v Speaker 5>There was vandalism, There was fences that were cut, there

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<v Speaker 5>were animals that were run around pastures and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 5>So there were things. There was just enough truth that

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<v Speaker 5>you could really blow it up if you wanted to.

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<v Speaker 2>Facebook Live had launched publicly that same year, and pipeline

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<v Speaker 2>opponents and movement journalists were streaming videos from the frontlines

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<v Speaker 2>of protests where cops were sometimes firing teargas or rubber

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<v Speaker 2>bullets at unarmed demonstrators. It hit different when people could

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<v Speaker 2>watch police violence unfold in real time, and the posts

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<v Speaker 2>were getting reshared by people around the world. But a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people in Bismarck and Mandan are pretty conservative.

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<v Speaker 2>Many have family or friends who are police officers. When

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<v Speaker 2>they watched that footage, what they noticed was pipeline opponents

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<v Speaker 2>defying police orders, yelling at cops or throwing things. At

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<v Speaker 2>one point, people lit a bridge on fire. Hey and

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<v Speaker 2>other local folks felt like their voices were being drowned

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<v Speaker 2>out online, and some got docksed for taking a position

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<v Speaker 2>against the Standing Rock movement.

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<v Speaker 5>I experienced it was I was dockxed big time too.

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<v Speaker 5>I received the death threats and there was several locations

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<v Speaker 5>that I got followed.

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<v Speaker 2>But then another Facebook page appeared that seemed to be

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<v Speaker 2>aligned with K's group. It was called Nedicines for Progress

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<v Speaker 2>and Justice.

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<v Speaker 5>I remember Nedicins came on the scene and it was

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<v Speaker 5>like boom boom.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean like it was like this bam boum.

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<v Speaker 2>They had a dramatic logo with an N and all

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<v Speaker 2>these videos with titles like four reasons why Standing Rock

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<v Speaker 2>is the worst protest in the last century. It hit

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<v Speaker 2>a nerve for a lot of locals who felt like

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't have media representing their views the way the

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<v Speaker 2>movement had. Who did you think they were at the time?

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<v Speaker 2>Kate told me Nedicines presented itself as a counterweight to

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<v Speaker 2>all that pro movement media.

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<v Speaker 5>They have all of these this is your counter Where

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<v Speaker 5>are your friends?

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<v Speaker 2>Trust us? A couple months earlier, after a video went

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<v Speaker 2>viral of security dogs attacking pipeline opponents, Energy Transfer had

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<v Speaker 2>hired the private security company Tiger Swan. Tiger Swan was

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<v Speaker 2>founded by an ex commander of the Army Special Missions

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<v Speaker 2>Unit Delta Force. Its contractors were mostly veterans. The more

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<v Speaker 2>you understand this company's background, the more it makes sense

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<v Speaker 2>that they would be doing propaganda. Tiger Swan was started

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<v Speaker 2>during this post nine to eleven era, where something called

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<v Speaker 2>counterinsurgency was the reigning military doctrine. One of the things

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<v Speaker 2>that blew my mind about some of these internal documents

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<v Speaker 2>I obtained is that Tiger Swan explicitly called its efforts

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<v Speaker 2>at Standing Rock a counterinsurgency approach. Counterinsurgency doctrine emphasizes that

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<v Speaker 2>convincing local people to take on the military's priorities can

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<v Speaker 2>be as important as armed force. In this case, a

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<v Speaker 2>big part of the battle for hearts and minds was

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<v Speaker 2>being fought on Facebook. The guy Tiger Swan brought on

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<v Speaker 2>to lead that effort didn't serve in the military, though.

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<v Speaker 2>His name is Robert Rice and he's more of a

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<v Speaker 2>tech guy. His big thing is virtual reality, and he

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<v Speaker 2>even attempted to develop a virtual universe called Omniscape. Propaganda

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<v Speaker 2>might also be about changing people's perception of reality, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's not totally clear why he was the guy for

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<v Speaker 2>the job. When Robert Rice joined Tiger Swan's anti protest effort,

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<v Speaker 2>he started searching for a new narrative that could replace

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<v Speaker 2>the story of peaceful indigenous water protectors fighting for the environment.

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<v Speaker 2>I know because I've read his emails. In one of them,

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<v Speaker 2>he asked if security contractors on the ground could take

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<v Speaker 2>pictures of the wastewater drainage system for the tribe's casino.

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<v Speaker 2>The idea was to claim the tribe was one polluting

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<v Speaker 2>the river.

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<v Speaker 6>They all lead directly to the river, so if we

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<v Speaker 6>can show a link or a very close proximity, we

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<v Speaker 6>can take the wind out of the water protector's line.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the voice of an actor we hired to play

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<v Speaker 2>Robert Rice. Robert also wanted photos of any dogs that

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<v Speaker 2>got injured the day of the dog attacks.

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<v Speaker 6>I want to create a few fault lines between all

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<v Speaker 6>the third party activists and the tribes. Highlighting animal abuse

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<v Speaker 6>and attacking dogs will have some effect with a few groups.

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<v Speaker 2>At the same time, he seemed aware that it's not

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<v Speaker 2>actually a great look to go after an indigenous movement.

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<v Speaker 6>We want to be careful of public opinion and sentiment

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<v Speaker 6>towards Native Americans, so we want to focus on the

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<v Speaker 6>issues specifically, or wiggle around to take the side of

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<v Speaker 6>the tribes.

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<v Speaker 2>In other words, he wanted to attack a movement that

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<v Speaker 2>was started by indigenous people and supported by hundreds of

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<v Speaker 2>tribal nations while also avoiding the appearance of antagonizing native people.

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<v Speaker 2>Robert Rice wasn't just off alone in a weird corner

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<v Speaker 2>coming up with this stuff. He was deep in conversation

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<v Speaker 2>with other Tiger Swan contractors, and those guys had a

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<v Speaker 2>lot going on. Tier Swan was flying aerial surveillance drones

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<v Speaker 2>over the camps, listening in on water Protectors radios, and

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<v Speaker 2>even sending Tiger Swan operatives into the anti pipeline camps undercover.

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<v Speaker 2>They weren't just collecting information. In a WhatsApp chat that

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<v Speaker 2>included Tiger Swan's founder as well as Robert Rice, another

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<v Speaker 2>Tiger Swan contractor floated the idea of sabotaging the porta

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<v Speaker 2>potties by somehow removing the anti freeze element so waste

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<v Speaker 2>would freeze. He told Robert that they should make lots

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<v Speaker 2>of noise all the time and maybe pay some kids

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<v Speaker 2>to fly drones over the camp with speakers playing Scandinavian

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<v Speaker 2>death meedal. This is the kind of stuff the US

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<v Speaker 2>government has done when they want to break down groups

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<v Speaker 2>they see as dangerous. In fact, this Tiger Swan contractor

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<v Speaker 2>described his ideas as psychological warfare, and Robert Rice chimed

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<v Speaker 2>into personally.

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<v Speaker 6>I think twenty four hour floodlights are good. I would

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<v Speaker 6>also get some directional jammers to disrupt WiFi, but not sell.

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<v Speaker 6>They may need that for emergency calls, and if they

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<v Speaker 6>want the Internet, let them chew up their data.

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<v Speaker 2>Despite his spicy suggestions, Robert gives off kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>try hard energy. Like when a well known military veteran

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<v Speaker 2>announced he was joining the Standing Rock movement, Robert made

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<v Speaker 2>a point to complain, I mean shit.

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<v Speaker 6>I did four years of JROTC and I feel like

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<v Speaker 6>I got more out of it playing soldier than he did.

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<v Speaker 6>Now he wants to fight against law enforcement. Kind of

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<v Speaker 6>pisses me off. I missed my chance to serve and

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<v Speaker 6>this nutjobs going to shit on things. Sorry, this sort

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<v Speaker 6>of thing really annoys the hell out of me.

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<v Speaker 2>All of this was happening right around the time Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump was elected.

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<v Speaker 7>We're going to rescind all the job destroying Obama executive actions,

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<v Speaker 7>including the Climate Action Plan and the Waters of the

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<v Speaker 7>United States Rule.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I remember that Trump held investments in both energy

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<v Speaker 2>transfer and Phillip sixty six, another company behind the Code

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<v Speaker 2>Access pipeline. As he was going around yelling about American

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<v Speaker 2>energy dominance. Social media disinformation was flooding the Internet like

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<v Speaker 2>never before, and a lot of it was favorable to him.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it was intentional or not, but

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<v Speaker 2>Tiger Schwan's propaganda team launched the Netizin's Facebook page the

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<v Speaker 2>same day that Trump declared victory. They posted videos featuring

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<v Speaker 2>plaintext over images with the kind of sappy, inspirational music

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<v Speaker 2>you might hear in a video by a yoga influencer

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<v Speaker 2>like this. Its first videos claimed the pipeline post no

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<v Speaker 2>risk to water or sacred sites, and the movement was

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<v Speaker 2>full of paid protesters and criminals. One early video flashed

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of mugshots of water protectors, which were actually

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<v Speaker 2>sent to Robert by a pr guy for the National

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<v Speaker 2>Sheriff's Association. The video hit their mark. Here's from one

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<v Speaker 2>comment from a couple of weeks after the Nedison's launch.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you Nediicans for getting the rest of the story

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<v Speaker 2>out there. Exclamation mark, exclamation mark, exclamation mark, exclamation mark.

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<v Speaker 2>North Dakotins are so fed up with being invaded by

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<v Speaker 2>the violent protesters, and Robert Rice started to notice that

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the traffic was coming from the Bismarck

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<v Speaker 2>and Mandan area.

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<v Speaker 6>Jim, we are pushing various things on Facebook primary and

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<v Speaker 6>website secondary, definitely contributing to some infighting and factions, both

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<v Speaker 6>internal and on the bigger scope. Like anti protesters in Bisman.

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<v Speaker 2>Robert had a cool idea about how they could increase

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<v Speaker 2>traffic further, if we had.

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<v Speaker 6>Some Kardashian or celebrity nudes, we would have a half

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<v Speaker 6>a million followers. Of two seconds just saying.

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<v Speaker 2>He maybe got something even better than celect nudes. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if Robert Rice knew it, but his timing

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<v Speaker 2>was pretty good. Not long after Nedison's launched Locals, frustrations

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<v Speaker 2>with the protests came to a head. The morning of Thanksgiving,

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<v Speaker 2>area residents got an emergency alert on their phones indicating

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<v Speaker 2>that protesters had blocked the intersection connecting the two cities. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>videos from this protest seemed sort of tame. People set

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<v Speaker 2>up a long table in the middle of the road

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<v Speaker 2>with pumpkins and a banner painted to look bloody that

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<v Speaker 2>said no decode access pipeline. But they were blocking traffic

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<v Speaker 2>on a holiday. And there was one other thing that

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<v Speaker 2>really got to defend Bisman crowd mad.

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<v Speaker 5>That was the day that protesters gathered in, man down

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<v Speaker 5>and placed pigs heads on sticks and made it very

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<v Speaker 5>well known that they were going to be aggressive towards

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<v Speaker 5>our law enforcement officers.

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<v Speaker 2>Images circulated on social media of a demonstrator carrying a

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<v Speaker 2>pig's head mounted on a stick. Residents like Ka took

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<v Speaker 2>that as a threat to police.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that Thanksgiving Day I spent more than six

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<v Speaker 5>hours on the phone with people who were just outraged

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<v Speaker 5>by all of this. And I think our Facebook group

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<v Speaker 5>numbers at request to join jumped threefold.

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<v Speaker 8>Our First Amendment right basically assemble.

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<v Speaker 9>We prop Probably they did not want you here. You

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<v Speaker 9>will leave immediately. First you will go to jail. I'm

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<v Speaker 9>not gonna ask.

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<v Speaker 2>The next day, Black Friday, water protectors marched into Bismarck's

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<v Speaker 2>Kirkwood Mall and formed a prayer circle before being arrested.

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<v Speaker 2>One local right wing blogger claimed it was a war

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<v Speaker 2>on the Bismarck Mandan community.

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<v Speaker 5>The average citizen was like, you know what, Okay, we'll

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<v Speaker 5>tolerate this for a while. Well, now it's the holidays,

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<v Speaker 5>it's getting cold.

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<v Speaker 4>Get the hell up.

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<v Speaker 2>That same day, in a WhatsApp chat, Robert celebrated that

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<v Speaker 2>his page views seemed to be going up.

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<v Speaker 6>We are doing heavy targeting in the North Dakota area,

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<v Speaker 6>mostly to focus on increasing the fracturing and creating doubt.

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<v Speaker 6>At least on the website. The majority of traffic is

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<v Speaker 6>in North Dakota, with Bismarck at the top of the

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<v Speaker 6>list with about twenty five percent of traffic.

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<v Speaker 2>People were already upset and Robert was using nedicines to

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<v Speaker 2>intentionally worsen divisions. The posts and videos kept coming saying

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<v Speaker 2>that outside interest groups had hijacked the movement and there

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<v Speaker 2>were eco terrorists involved. Things started to move beyond just

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<v Speaker 2>the Internet. Kaye was actually in touch with a totally

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<v Speaker 2>different Tiger Swue team member who offered tips about how

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<v Speaker 2>Defend BISMAN members could organize, and she also talked to

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<v Speaker 2>the police on a regular basis. Locals started participating in

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<v Speaker 2>pro police rallies, They held fundraisers for police, They monitored

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<v Speaker 2>water protectors' social media accounts, and they offered assistance to

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<v Speaker 2>business owners that were feeling nervous.

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<v Speaker 5>I do know that there were oftentimes, I would say

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<v Speaker 5>more than a dozen times where somebody would go down

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<v Speaker 5>and sit at a business. I'm not going to throw

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<v Speaker 5>businesses under the bus here, but go down and sit

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<v Speaker 5>at a business and make sure that Agnes gone to

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<v Speaker 5>her car and believing this is a completely fictional character,

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<v Speaker 5>it's just totally North Dakota.

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<v Speaker 2>It's important to note that these polics were talking about

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<v Speaker 2>Morton County, Bismarck, Mandan. They're basically border communities. They're on

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<v Speaker 2>the edge of the Standing Rock Reservation, and they're areas

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<v Speaker 2>that have a long history of racism. Even k acknowledged

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<v Speaker 2>that at.

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<v Speaker 5>The very beginning of the peaceful demonstrations, it really amped

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<v Speaker 5>up that anti Native sentiment.

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<v Speaker 4>She said.

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<v Speaker 2>She made it clear on Facebook that Raci's comments were

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<v Speaker 2>not okay, But for some Indigenous people from Standing Rock,

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<v Speaker 2>the experience of visiting Bismarck started to get worse as

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<v Speaker 2>Tiger Swan poured fuel on the fire online. I talked

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<v Speaker 2>to Valerie Eagleshield about it at a gathering put on

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<v Speaker 2>by the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe's Elders Preservation Council at

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<v Speaker 2>the Prairie Night's Casino. Valerie's in her sixties now. She

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<v Speaker 2>spent a lot of time at the camps and helped

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<v Speaker 2>it a school established there for children.

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<v Speaker 8>I was mainly a support person everybody's mom. I supported

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<v Speaker 8>my daughter with the school, My son sang and stood

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<v Speaker 8>at the front lines, and my husband did a lot

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<v Speaker 8>of the UH prayers.

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<v Speaker 2>This was a fight for her community's water. Valerie spent

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<v Speaker 2>her whole life on Standing Rock, but is enrolled with

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<v Speaker 2>the Mandan Hidatsa and a Ricara Nation. Like everybody from

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<v Speaker 2>the reservation. She comes in out of Bismarck regularly for

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron's and other things.

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<v Speaker 8>They're racist people everywhere, but it wasn't that bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Valerie noticed a shift at the same time that misinformation

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<v Speaker 2>began to saturate the area.

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<v Speaker 8>Things got really ugly when people were telling lies about

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<v Speaker 8>the camp the protectors, saying that they were dangerous.

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<v Speaker 2>She mostly noticed it when she went shopping.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I mean we could go into shop in us

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<v Speaker 8>door and be walking around and then you notice somebody,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, kind of around the corners of the corner

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<v Speaker 8>your eye and you're like, oh, they're watching us. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>She felt it at the checkout counter too.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean you'd say thank you, and they would, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>not respond to and throw your stuff across that check

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<v Speaker 8>thing and then counter change out and drop it on

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<v Speaker 8>the counter, like they didn't want to touch you.

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<v Speaker 2>But the scariest part was when she was driving home.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, they would come up really fast on you and

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<v Speaker 8>then I'll just follow you. Even if you slowed way down,

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<v Speaker 8>they'd stay behind you. Yeah, and you worried about what

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<v Speaker 8>because there's long stretches of nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>So the swell of anger in the local communities happened

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<v Speaker 2>just as the camp shrunk pretty dramatically. A big North

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<v Speaker 2>Dakota blizzard came through and hundreds of people had to

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<v Speaker 2>leave all of a sudden. Their stuff got buried in

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<v Speaker 2>the snow and was frozen there, and this became one

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<v Speaker 2>of Nettison's biggest stories. The message was the water protectors

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<v Speaker 2>had left behind an environmental mess of their own, and

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<v Speaker 2>then it was going to contaminate the water when the

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<v Speaker 2>spring came and the snow melted. Videos and posts hammered

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<v Speaker 2>on the idea that pipeline opponents were the real environmental threat. Finally,

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of February twenty seventeen, police evicted the camps.

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<v Speaker 2>Those fractures that Robert Rice and Tiger Swan were looking

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<v Speaker 2>for and trying to widen they were ultimately aimed at

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<v Speaker 2>people's relationships with their neighbors, and there was no way

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<v Speaker 2>that was just going to fade away because the camps

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<v Speaker 2>were gone. I wanted to know whether the Mandan and

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<v Speaker 2>Bismarck community were still divided over standing Rock ten years later.

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<v Speaker 2>So when I visited in the spring, I tried talking

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<v Speaker 2>to people at the Kirkwood Mall about the protests.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to pass.

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<v Speaker 7>I'll pass, okay, because I won't be saying anything good

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<v Speaker 7>about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, I won't either call it North Dakota nice.

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<v Speaker 2>But no one seemed like they wanted to talk. I

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<v Speaker 2>decided to try one of the bars off of Mandan's

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<v Speaker 2>main street. Hi, my name's Elena.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm actually a reporter and I'm in town trying to

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<v Speaker 10>talk to people about the ten year anniversary of the

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<v Speaker 10>construction of the Dakota Access Pipeline and all the protests

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<v Speaker 10>that happened.

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<v Speaker 2>These guys seem like they're still mad and also like

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<v Speaker 2>they were down to talk. They said they were on

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<v Speaker 2>the side of the protests at first, but then that changed.

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<v Speaker 9>So what happened They eco terrafts move in.

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<v Speaker 11>The people from out of state moved in and ruined

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<v Speaker 11>our communities.

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<v Speaker 2>These guys start to run down the list of things

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard from almost everyone around here I talked to

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<v Speaker 2>about the protests, the pig's head, the trash left behind

0:25:45.361 --> 0:25:50.601
<v Speaker 2>after the blizzard, the outside agitators. They say they should

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<v Speaker 2>talk to their friend.

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<v Speaker 11>Oh, I'm I'm worked up.

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<v Speaker 2>He starts talking about how protesters would smash stuff up

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<v Speaker 2>and smile and agree that they were paid to do it.

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<v Speaker 11>Disgusting human beings, disgusting eco terrorists. It's what I call

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<v Speaker 11>all them.

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<v Speaker 9>Yes, was the next time what happens?

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<v Speaker 11>I say, everybody should be got on rooptops and wear

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<v Speaker 11>a mask and be protected and take them out.

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<v Speaker 9>Wow, take them?

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<v Speaker 10>Did you say you had a business that they were

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<v Speaker 10>that people were bothering.

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<v Speaker 11>I'm not going to mention that. Okay, that's fun, because

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<v Speaker 11>I understand that you're on their side.

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<v Speaker 4>Why do you think that because.

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<v Speaker 10>Your eye movement, I mean, I think my eye movement

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<v Speaker 10>might be because you're upset.

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<v Speaker 9>So I'm just sort of responding.

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<v Speaker 2>To it's time for me to go. But here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't just hear that at this one bar. At

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<v Speaker 2>another bar, a different guy told me that they should

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<v Speaker 2>have taken the protesters down with the gatling gun and

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<v Speaker 2>at a breakfast restaurant, yet another guy told me that

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<v Speaker 2>they should have done like they did. It wounded me,

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<v Speaker 2>which I can only assume means wounded me eighteen ninety

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<v Speaker 2>the famous massacre of Lakota men, women, and children by

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<v Speaker 2>US Troop Yes. I asked the first bar guys if

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<v Speaker 2>they remembered the Edison's page, and they didn't, which I

0:27:17.321 --> 0:27:20.482
<v Speaker 2>was starting to find out was sort of common. Even

0:27:20.601 --> 0:27:23.282
<v Speaker 2>people who I knew had engaged heavily with Tiger Swan's

0:27:23.321 --> 0:27:27.482
<v Speaker 2>Facebook content sometimes didn't remember it all these years later.

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<v Speaker 2>So I start to feel a little bit uncertain how

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<v Speaker 2>much of this anger could I even credit to Tiger

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<v Speaker 2>Swan or Facebook. I reached out to James Forrest to

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<v Speaker 2>see if he could help me figure it out. For years,

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<v Speaker 2>he was director of West Point's Terrorism Studies program. Now

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<v Speaker 2>he's a professor at the University of Massachusetts Lowell, and

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<v Speaker 2>he wrote a book called Digital Influence Mercenaries. I told

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<v Speaker 2>him all about the situation that Tiger Swan and Robert

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<v Speaker 2>Rice had walked into. I asked him what a digital

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<v Speaker 2>influence mercenary would do in that scenario.

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<v Speaker 12>Well, for first and foremost, you want to gather information

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<v Speaker 12>about the kind of population that you're trying to influence.

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<v Speaker 12>Are there potential divisions within that population? Are there bio?

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<v Speaker 12>Basically what you're looking for ares seems that you can fracture.

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<v Speaker 2>Robert Rice had used that same term fracture repeatedly in

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<v Speaker 2>his text and emails. One thing that I've sort of

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<v Speaker 2>been grappling with is that the people in this community

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<v Speaker 2>already had really kind of negative feelings about the protests.

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<v Speaker 2>If people already kind of like hated these protests, then

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<v Speaker 2>why would you need propaganda, you know, why would it

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<v Speaker 2>be worth the money amplify that. It turns out, an

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<v Speaker 2>effective Facebook mercenary does best in a scenario where community

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<v Speaker 2>divisions already exist. By identifying people's fears and uncertainties and

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<v Speaker 2>poking at them, you can deepen their convictions.

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<v Speaker 12>So as basically, yes, I thought they were evil, now

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<v Speaker 12>you've confirmed it for me.

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<v Speaker 2>A private Facebook group like Defend Bisman would create an

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<v Speaker 2>even stronger echo chamber for strengthening that And James told

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<v Speaker 2>me that an effect of Facebook campaign can change people's actions.

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<v Speaker 12>You put them in an emotional state where they're a

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<v Speaker 12>lot less likely to be able to make decisions. They're

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<v Speaker 12>a lot less able to do things that you don't

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<v Speaker 12>want them to do, and you can even provoke them

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<v Speaker 12>to do things that you want them to do.

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<v Speaker 2>The other thing that I encountered what I visited this time,

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<v Speaker 2>this is something that I mostly heard from men who

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<v Speaker 2>at times had a beer in their hand, but in

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<v Speaker 2>three cases, different people in different places said to me

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<v Speaker 2>some version of you know, we should have shot them all.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know that I can say, oh, these

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<v Speaker 2>Facebook videos are what made people feel that way, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's kind of what I found.

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<v Speaker 12>There's a central concept without study of terrorism about extremism

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<v Speaker 12>and radicalization, and the radicalization process involves increasing hostility towards

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<v Speaker 12>the outgroup from within the in group to the point

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<v Speaker 12>where the in group members start believing that their own

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<v Speaker 12>survival it depends on, in some cases even the elimination

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<v Speaker 12>of the out group. So it's kind of startling to

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<v Speaker 12>hear that that's kind of mirrored in this particular incident

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<v Speaker 12>where violent extremism is like I said, it's a fantasy,

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<v Speaker 12>but it's still something that is kind of a marker

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<v Speaker 12>of the escalation.

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<v Speaker 2>Tiger Swans propaganda story didn't end when the protest camp

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<v Speaker 2>shut down. In fact, Kayla Co, the Bismarck local, communicated

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<v Speaker 2>with Neticins after things died down in North Dakota. She

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<v Speaker 2>got a message from a guy calling himself al Nediicine

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<v Speaker 2>on February twenty seventh to twenty seventeen.

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<v Speaker 5>So the message was hik where we Nedicance for Justice

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<v Speaker 5>and Progress are coming out to Bismarck next week to

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<v Speaker 5>interview people, particularly locals about the not dapple stuff for

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<v Speaker 5>mini documentary we're producing.

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<v Speaker 2>He was looking for help finding local people to interview

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<v Speaker 2>on camera.

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<v Speaker 5>We want to get the rest of the story out

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<v Speaker 5>there and are tired of other folks vice, young Turks,

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<v Speaker 5>unicorn riot, et cetera, controlling.

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<v Speaker 4>The news and false narrative.

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<v Speaker 5>I did give get him connected with six seven people

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<v Speaker 5>in the Bismarck Mountain area.

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<v Speaker 2>Robert Rice and his team did make a documentary featuring

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<v Speaker 2>k and a number of other locals.

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<v Speaker 4>It begins with.

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<v Speaker 2>This dramatic flashing end logo that says I am Netison

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<v Speaker 2>underneath and then cuts to footage from behind a police line. Pipeline.

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<v Speaker 2>Opponents are standing on top of a truck yelling with

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<v Speaker 2>the wooden frame of a TP behind them. The police

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<v Speaker 2>are dragging people from the puta side to the police

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<v Speaker 2>side to arrest them. A couple armored vehicles are parked nearby.

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<v Speaker 12>How did we get to this point?

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<v Speaker 13>Let's take a closer look at how Standing Rock became

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<v Speaker 13>one of the worst protests in American history.

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<v Speaker 2>The title card says the Rack and Fall of Standing Rock.

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<v Speaker 2>Robert Rice appears as a talking head throughout the film,

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<v Speaker 2>and eventually Kay comes on the screen. She's sitting at

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<v Speaker 2>a bar with a few other local people.

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<v Speaker 11>In two days, they came after my job.

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<v Speaker 4>They sent me death threats.

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<v Speaker 5>They hoped that my children would die before my eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>Kay watched the documentary when it came out. I called

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<v Speaker 2>her to ask her more about it. She told me

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<v Speaker 2>it had been cathartic to get together and look back

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<v Speaker 2>at how all this happened.

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<v Speaker 5>It is kind of like a reunion how starts.

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<v Speaker 2>But Kay noticed the same thing I did.

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<v Speaker 5>I do remember when I watched it, it just creaked

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<v Speaker 5>of propaganda. It wasn't what you expect. I've been watching

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<v Speaker 5>a ton of documentaries.

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<v Speaker 4>On Netflix, and it wasn't this.

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<v Speaker 5>Hey, We're going to unfold this story and be as

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<v Speaker 5>transparent and middle of the road as we can, if

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<v Speaker 5>I remember correctly, there was like these elements of just

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<v Speaker 5>straight up propaganda, like like trying to make it worse

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<v Speaker 5>than it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you feel any way about like, oh I'm in this,

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<v Speaker 2>like where what was your gut feeling and like kind

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<v Speaker 2>of your emotional reaction kinda.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that neutral? Okay? Whatever? That's just the world that

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<v Speaker 4>we live in now.

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<v Speaker 5>Is that's what's being done, is sensationalizing something to suit

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<v Speaker 5>their own needs.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a question still nagging at me. I asked

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<v Speaker 2>Kay if she kind of knew energy transfer was behind neticenes.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 14>I always assumed that it was all working towards you know,

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<v Speaker 14>anti protest. For us here, at least speaking for the

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<v Speaker 14>ones that I closely communicated with, it wasn't about the pipeline.

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<v Speaker 4>We didn't care if it went through or not. What

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<v Speaker 4>we cared.

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<v Speaker 5>About was the bullshit that it brought on our community.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that these guys were maybe the real

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<v Speaker 2>outside agitators? What do you think of that idea?

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<v Speaker 4>I certainly wouldn't dismiss it.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that there was at least some of us

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<v Speaker 5>felt legitimized that we were right to care about our community,

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<v Speaker 5>that we were right to be against these.

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<v Speaker 4>Outside detractors, and via a weird twist to fade it

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<v Speaker 4>was the outside.

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<v Speaker 5>It was outside influences legitimizing our efforts.

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<v Speaker 2>I sat questions to Energy Transfer, Tiger Swan and Robert

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<v Speaker 2>Rice about all of this, but none of them decided

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<v Speaker 2>to comment. That documentary that Kay was in doesn't actually

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<v Speaker 2>seem like it was made for people in North Dakota,

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<v Speaker 2>because right as they made it, Robert Rice was shifting

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<v Speaker 2>his attention elsewhere. The water protectors had dispersed and some

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<v Speaker 2>of them moved to a handful of tiny encampments established

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<v Speaker 2>throughout the region to promote healing or prepare for future fights.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the actual Robert Rice describing it in the documentary.

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<v Speaker 13>The camps have been closed. The activists and protesters have

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<v Speaker 13>now left to find other pipelines to create new camps

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<v Speaker 13>and to find new followers.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the camps was in Iowa, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>called Little Creek, and that's where Robert Rice began the

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<v Speaker 2>next phase of his propaganda operation. This time, locals wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>just be the targets of the propaganda, they would be

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<v Speaker 2>its mouthpieces.

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<v Speaker 13>Is this truly the future of eco terrorism and protesting

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<v Speaker 13>in North America.

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<v Speaker 2>A note to listeners, we hired an actor to read

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<v Speaker 2>for Robert Rice. These were originally emails and text messages

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<v Speaker 2>and we adapted them for voice. If you would like

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<v Speaker 2>to see the primary documents, they are linked in show notes.

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<v Speaker 15>The Propagandist is an original drilled mini series who is reported,

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<v Speaker 15>written and hosted by Allen Brown and produced in collaboration

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<v Speaker 15>with High Country News. Special thanks there to Kate Schimmel

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<v Speaker 2>Our editor is Audrey Quinn.

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<v Speaker 15>The actor playing Robert Rice in this mini series is

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<v Speaker 15>series is David Riposo. Senior producer and sound designer is

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