1 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: And we welcome you into the best podcast available. I'm 2 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: Jason Gibbs, no Andrew Gribble this week. Slacker, as we 3 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: like to say in the business business he is. He 4 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: is on business and he is on assignment doing heavy 5 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: duty work making the eight dollars and ten cents an 6 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: hour as opposed to the rest of us. I'm Jason 7 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: Gibbs sitting in this week Nick Shook, our new Brown's 8 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: Digital Content provider. Well, title is coordinator, but sternally I'm 9 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: staff writer. Staff writer. That's more understandable, I think. Yeah, 10 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: And every week I'm like, what am I What am 11 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: I calling Nick? This week? Ten years ago, it was 12 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: like the Department of New Media, and no one really 13 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: knew what that new media was, but it was new 14 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: and it was media. Yeah. Well, I mean you do 15 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: a lot of different things from appearances on Brown's Daily 16 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: and I'm sure the radio network as we get into 17 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: the season here and um, you know, between your writing 18 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: and You've got some great stuff coming up, uh in 19 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: the next day or two that I think people are 20 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: definitely gonna want to read. When it comes to some 21 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 1: of the new guys we have brought on board, but 22 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 1: also a guy that knows quite a bit about the 23 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: NFL draft, and we are two weeks away from the 24 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen NFL Draft. Hard to believe already we're 25 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: halfway through the month of April, that's true. And also, 26 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: let's not sell ourselves short. I think we're two of 27 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: the region's more a favorite tall and nearly bald or 28 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: completely bald guys. I'm in denial. Okay, fight it, fight 29 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: it as long as you want. You know what. It's 30 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: funny because my stepdaughters will say something and I said, 31 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: you know, you're the reason for this. Yeah, it is 32 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: your fault, Like this is not my fault. I used 33 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: to blame it on on a former significant other. Well 34 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: there's that too. It's freedom. Now that's in the aston 35 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: and I've embraced the razor. I'll tell you what, though, 36 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: every four or five days, you gotta do. You gotta 37 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: take it to it because I can still grow hair 38 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: pretty much everywhere else and just not in these gaps, 39 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: these power alleys right here. Yeah, I got the state 40 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: of Florida going on my head and so and you 41 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: can't you gotta hide that because after a few days 42 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: it shows up, and yeah, just looked very dirty. This 43 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,399 Speaker 1: is episode nine of the best podcast available. Coming up 44 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: on the show today, UH, you'll hear from one of 45 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 1: the best in the business when it comes to breaking 46 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: down the draft, Dane Brugler with a seven round mock draft. 47 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: He has every pick for the Browns. He has every 48 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 1: pick for every team. It's out now at the Athletic 49 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: dot com website. Uh. He joins Nathan Zigura for about 50 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: a twenty minute sit down to talk about the mock 51 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: talk about the Browns, talk about quarterbacks, whatever you might 52 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: want to know about the two thousand nineteen NFL Draft. 53 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: Dane Bruegler, a popular and very good at what he does, 54 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 1: draft expert, sitting down with Nathan today on the bp 55 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: A ANDI lists. You know a lot we're talking about. 56 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people can do a one round, 57 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 1: the first round mock draft because you know, you got 58 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: the names that you know you got, you know, thirty two, 59 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: thirty five, maybe forty guys. That's not too many guys 60 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: to to have on the top of your head. You 61 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: know the school, you know the position, you might know 62 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: a little bit of their playing history. The average football 63 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: fan could probably do a little bit of that, especially 64 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: if they piggyback off of somebody else. But then you 65 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: go beyond that, you go in to rounds two and three. 66 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: That's some things. He's a little bit dicey. Dane goes 67 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: to all seven rounds. I don't know how he actually 68 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: sleeps or it stays awake. He's got to be sleep deprived. Right. 69 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: Not only was he doing the seven round mock, but oh, 70 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: by the way, he's got his draft guide that we're 71 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: all anxiously waiting for. It is the Draft Bible, the Bible, 72 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: and we're all waiting for it. So he's trying to 73 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: get that done. We'll do a seven round mock draft 74 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: and carve out about twenty minutes of time to talk 75 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: to Nathan's a girl. I mean, he's a man of 76 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: the people. He's a man of the NFL Draft. It's 77 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: as popular as ever and uh and he's right at 78 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: the forefront. Speaking of numbers. As we get into this 79 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: week's headlines, twenty three prospects will be at Night one 80 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: of the draft. Uh. The highest rank prospects not slated 81 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: to attend Mississippi State defensive tackle Jeffrey Simmons, NC State 82 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: center Garrett Bradberry. One notable absence from the list Ohio 83 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: State quarterback Dwayne Haskins. So today Ryan Day said that 84 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: Dwayne never planned on going to the draft even if 85 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: he was invited, which we don't know if he was invited, 86 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: so it is still a surprise. That would make more sense. 87 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 1: He doesn't necessarily seem like the type to embrace the spotlight. Uh. 88 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: Maybe he wants to spend it with his family. He's 89 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 1: had a unique journey I think too. You know, from 90 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: being at a camp when he was a kid at 91 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: Ohio State, all the way to UH to going to 92 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: Ohio States starring there, setting you know, a big ten 93 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: passing touchdown record and all in a short amount of time. 94 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: So I can understand if you want to spend this 95 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: time with this family. He's gonna be a first round pick. 96 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he's gonna get taken. The big 97 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: question obviously is where he's going to go, which it 98 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: continues to blow my mind of people have him falling. 99 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: It's weird. He's he's one of the more polarizing prospects 100 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: for I think all the I don't know if I 101 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 1: would say the right reasons, but no bad reason. It's 102 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: just that some people don't like his style of play, 103 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: and some people are in love with him. I tend 104 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 1: to be towards the ladder. I think he's got a 105 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: great arm. I think he showed a lot in his 106 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: lone season as Ohio states starter. Is he kind of 107 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: rough under pressure? Yes, if you get consistent pressure to him, 108 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: he's gonna falter. He does air airmail some throws, Uh, 109 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: those are the I think some of the big knocks 110 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 1: on him. He's not super mobile, and that's fine because 111 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: you you know, you want your guy to extend the play, 112 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: but you don't need him to run around the NFL. 113 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: This is not Pat White, you know, trying to make 114 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: the NFL when he was back at West Virginia. It's 115 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: this is nothing like that. This is this is a 116 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: guy who's got a candid for an arm, who's accurate 117 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: at most depths. Every once in a while, I miss 118 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: a throw. He I think he's got a very high ceiling. 119 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: And I don't see why you would not want to 120 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: take him. I definitely don't see why you would want 121 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: to take somebody like Drew Lock over him. That's That's 122 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: where I was going. Is he is he gonna be well? 123 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna be better. But would 124 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: you take him over Drew Lock? No, I would not. 125 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: You would not take him Overdrew? Oh sorry, Now I 126 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: would take Dwayne. Would you take Haskins over Daniel Jones? Yeah, yes, definitely. 127 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 1: The only guy maybe you wouldn't is Kyler Murray, And 128 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: I think you can make an argument that you should 129 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 1: take him over. Take Dayne over Kyler Murray. I would too. 130 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: That's not what's gonna happen, but I would because Kyler 131 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: is a very, very good athlete and he was a 132 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: joy to watch at Oklahoma, I mean, just an absolute blast. 133 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 1: But I worry about his longevity and how he'll adjust 134 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: to the introduces of the pro game. And it's nothing 135 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: to do with his intelligence or anything like that. It's 136 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: just more to do with a lot of the throws 137 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: he made in Oklahoma's very you know, widespread offense were 138 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: kind of pre snap read driven and not something that 139 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: you adjusted to you on the fly, in part because 140 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: he's short. I mean, you know, you roll him out 141 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: and you get him away from that sometimes yeah, But 142 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: a lot of times he's throwing because he trust his 143 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: receiver to get to this spot and that it's going 144 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: to be open based on his red which is great. 145 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: Works great in college, but you know, over the course 146 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: of an NFL career might be a little bit more difficult. 147 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: So that's why I'm not on board with him. Alonzo 148 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: Highsmith walking by the war room just down the hall 149 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: from us here in Buried and the guys taking a 150 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: little bit of a breather. Uh, you take a look 151 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: real quick, if we can set the table here. This 152 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: is where all the scouts are back. You know, basically 153 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,559 Speaker 1: your pro days are just about done. You've got guys 154 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: coming in for individual meetings. But this is the point 155 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: in the game where you're really starting to finalize that 156 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: draft board. Oh yeah, and I'll tell you what. You 157 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: get a little bit of a glimpse of that draft 158 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: board over there. It is loaded with magnets. A lot 159 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: of prospects on that board. Yeah, I don't know who's 160 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: providing the magnets, but clearly your stock is going up. 161 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: Office Max, Yeah, there's that office depot. Now, I don't 162 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: know what it is. There's plenty of magnets. There's a 163 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: lot of magnets on that board. And there are a 164 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: lot of names on that board. Speak king up names, 165 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: you know, twenty three guys that are going to be 166 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: on this attending uh night one of the two thousand 167 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: nineteen NFL Draft, and most of them are I think 168 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: you're taken. Is there a name or two out there 169 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: that you think maybe is still sitting around in that 170 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: famous green room and has to come back on Friday? 171 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: Probably Marquise Hollywood Brown. Uh, he might not go in 172 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: the first round. I know. Uh, Dane's mock didn't have 173 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: him going in the first round, or maybe it was 174 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: at the end of the first round. I can't remember, 175 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: but I know there was a receiver who went ahead 176 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: of him, A J. Brown, unrelated, and I think he's 177 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: got a chance. You know, there are some people who 178 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: you know, wouldn't be all that surprised if if if 179 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: there were only a few receivers or so. It's not 180 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: a very strong class in that position. You know, DK 181 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: Metcalf seems to be at the front. I'm not a 182 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: big fan of his, neither as Gribble. Yeah and uh 183 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: so Yeah, I think Hollywood Brown might not end up 184 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: going because the linebacker classes so thin. Devin White and 185 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: Devin Bush will both be gone for sure. Uh. And 186 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: then you go down this list, your tight ends will go. 187 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: Christian Wilkins, he'll be near kind of that area. The 188 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: tight ends will go for the most part. Yeah, because 189 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: you don't see a guy like IRB Smith in this list. Now, 190 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: I think the majority of these guys will go. Twenty 191 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 1: three is a lot like you're really not giving yourself 192 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: much breathing room. No, you don't want to be that 193 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: guy waiting. But twenty three people, I mean, I think 194 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: most of these guys end up going. Um Andre Dillard 195 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: has flown up the charts. DeAndre Baker Baker is another one. 196 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: I think maybe he's he's a fringe guy, thinks that 197 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: it's not very strong at corner either. But but you know, 198 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: talking about Dane's mock, uh, there wasn't a corner picked 199 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: before in in his mock. And you've got you've got 200 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: Greedy Williams here, you've got DeAndre Baker. You don't have 201 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: my guy. You know who my guy is, Byron Murphy. 202 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: I think he'll be better than both of them. But yeah, 203 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 1: that's another one that could run the risk. But you know, 204 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: we're gonna see these defensive lineman go, We're gonna see 205 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: these tackles go. You know, like I said, the Dillard 206 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:08,719 Speaker 1: has had a very good pre draft process, and I 207 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: think a lot of people don't get to see Washington 208 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: State play football, so they don't get to see this 209 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: guy a lot. But they were passing a lot, you know, 210 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: in Mike Leach's offense, and uh he did a very 211 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 1: good job in the past blocking game. He's a really 212 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: smart kid, and he's very very honed in on what 213 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: he wants to improve and where to look for it. 214 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 1: You know, he's he said at the combine, he spends 215 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: a ton of time on YouTube looking up you know, 216 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: all pro tackles and watching just the finer parts of 217 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: their technique. Tyrant Smith's when he liked to watch, you know, 218 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: a bunch of them, and uh so I think a 219 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: lot of people have been impressed by that. I was 220 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: very impressed when we were at the combine and got 221 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: to talk to him. So but yeah, I think most 222 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: of these guys will be gone, but it's a lot, 223 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: it is and I think there's some room for wiggle 224 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: on quarterback too. I do, as weird as that sounds, 225 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: because last year was the year of the quarterback. You know, 226 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: we had five guys go right. This year, you've got 227 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: three on this list right here. You've got you got Kyler, 228 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: you got Drew Lock, and you've got Daniel Joe. Are 229 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: all three gonna go probably, but there's a chance that 230 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 1: one team goes a different direction. Now the Giants have 231 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: two picks that will probably go quarterback at some point. 232 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: I think it was a little bit more of a 233 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: risk beforehand. But a lot of these teams in the the 234 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: NFL have either their current starter or a younger guy. 235 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: So you know that they that they believe in that 236 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: they think is their franchise quarterback, thanks in part to 237 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: last year's draft. So it's gonna be interesting in that position. 238 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: All right. You talked about wide receivers and how many 239 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: might go, how many might not go. I found this 240 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: tweet interesting from NFL Network draft guru Daniel Jeremiah, and 241 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: I want to know what you make of this. He says, 242 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if only one wide receiver went 243 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: in the first round. Two tweets later, he said, and 244 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: that wide receiver would be Hollywood Brown, which I think 245 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: he has the biggest, big the best big play potential. 246 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: He really flashes on film. He's very fast, he's athletic, 247 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: he can make the sweet catch. He's got good hands, 248 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: and he also has a year of film with Baker 249 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: Mayfield which made a lot of people, you know, get 250 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 1: a little in tune with how he plays. I think 251 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 1: the only thing holding him back right now is that 252 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: foot injury, which he had surgery on and is recovering from. 253 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: Is it list Frank or list Frank? How do you 254 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: say it? I always say, Liz Frank, We're gonna go 255 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: with Liz Frank. Take the Cleveland Day perfect Frank, Yeah, exactly, 256 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think he should. He's probably if I 257 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: had to build this board out and could take that 258 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: injury out of consideration, he would be ahead of DK Metcalf. 259 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 1: I think he's probably the most talented receiver. But I 260 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: just think it's a weird year. We might not get one. 261 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: I think it would be a very weird year if 262 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: you saw Haskins fall into the teens and if DK Metcalf, 263 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: who had so much buzz at the combine, at his 264 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: pro day, at all of his workouts, be not go 265 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: in the first round. That I know we're not sold 266 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: on him in this room. That's wild. But think about 267 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 1: where that guy was in the middle of January. You 268 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: know why I don't believe that will happen. Why I 269 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: do think he'll go in the first round because for 270 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: every pair of us, there's an Al Davis may he 271 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: rest in peace. Who's gonna pick Darius Heyward Bay? And 272 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: I think there's a GM out there who's gonna just 273 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: beat fall in love with the measurable as the size 274 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: and the fact that he can go after the deep ball. 275 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 1: He doesn't have the rest of the route tree under 276 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: control of it. We'll coach him up, will teach him 277 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: that the NFL, because this is a rare combination, and 278 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 1: somebody's gonna take him. That's just what always happens. I 279 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: would think so as well. Someone like you said, the 280 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: first thought that comes to mind is the Raiders. You know, 281 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: if anybody's going to be intrigued by a guy a 282 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: physical specimen, it's gonna be the Raiders, no question about it, 283 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: all right. Jeremiah adds this in uh in Twitter world. 284 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: He does a quick QB landing spot game. He said, 285 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: Arizona Murray, the Giants, Jones, Cincinnati Haskins, the Chargers would 286 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: lock and Washington with Roses. Yes, we're throwing the fifth 287 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: the wild card. The trade of Josh Rosen. All of 288 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: those makes sense except locked to the Chargers now that 289 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: the Haskins to Cincinnati thing was part of Dane's mock 290 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: and that raised an eyebrow too, And I guess that's 291 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: gaining a lot of steam that that started last week 292 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: when Charles Davis had happen to Cincinnati. And isn't it 293 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: funny how this is. It's all just a game of Okay, 294 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: you're gonna put this out. Oh you know what that does? 295 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: Sound right? I'm gonna follow the super with that. It's 296 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: so funny how this happens. But that does make some 297 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: sense if he's there at eleven your Cincinnati. You lost 298 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: Andy Dalton last year and your first year without Agia 299 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: McCarron as your backup once hailed a potential savior to 300 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: another franchise. Uh, and you realize that we don't have 301 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: anything back there. You know, you give their backup, you know, 302 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: credit for what he did in the time that he 303 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: played the kid from from Florida and then from Louisiana. 304 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: Take his name es Casey at the moment um. But 305 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: that's not the answer. And I think they also see 306 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: down the road that Andy Dalton and the Bengals, could 307 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: you know, hit the fork and go in their opposite direction, 308 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: especially under a new coach, Zach Taylor, I could see 309 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: this making more sense to where he spends this first 310 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: year on the bench. I don't think he's a guy 311 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: who needs that first year on the bench. I think 312 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,479 Speaker 1: some guys do. I don't think that guy is Dwayne Haskins. 313 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: So perhaps it's a luxury of sorts for the Bengals 314 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: to make this pick. But that was a little bit 315 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: of a surprise. I think the biggest surprise there that 316 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: would be, you know, Drew Lock to the Chargers. Philip 317 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: Rivers is not getting any younger. We get that, but hey, 318 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: he's got to be there and be Tom Salasco has 319 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: to like Drew Lock's ability enough to take him instead 320 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: of potentially, you know, addressing that down the road. It's 321 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: a nice succession plan, But I think succession plans, as 322 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: Hbos demonstrated with their hit television show, are often more 323 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: idealistic than they are realistic. And I think that's what 324 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: we're looking at with this matching game here with the Chargers. 325 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: So I'm also looking at the Bengals. In uh Andy 326 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: Dalton's do sixteen million and he's do seventeen and a 327 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: half in what is the out on that? What's the 328 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: dead cap in actually none for this year or next year, 329 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: So they can just cut bait. So if they wanted 330 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: to go, Yeah, if you wanted to go get Haskins, 331 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: you let him sit for a year, and then you 332 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: cut Andy Dalton, you move on and you don't have 333 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: to pay him that seventeen five. And that's how you 334 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: stay to the cap, and that's how you keep your 335 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: franchise moving forward. And the typical Mike Brown fashion, Yes, exactly, 336 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: no question about it. He's Nick Shook. I'm Jason Gibbs. 337 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: This is the best podcast available. We're going over the 338 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: headlines of the day. Mel Kuyper Todd McShay with three 339 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: round mocks in the past twenty four hours. Mel has 340 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: the Browns taking h Nasser Adderly Safety out of Delaware. 341 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure I've mispronounced it, sire, all right, we'll go 342 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: with that. Greg Little the offensive tackle to Mississippi out 343 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: of Mississippi in round number three and uh for Todd 344 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: McShay now in his mock. His mock was titled how 345 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: to get an A for your Draft And this is 346 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: who we had the Browns taking if they wanted to 347 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: get an A from him. Uh. In round two he 348 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: had Justin Lane, the defensive back out of Michigan State, 349 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: and in round three Michael Jordans, the guard from one 350 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: Ohio State. So two big ten guys. Uh, your first 351 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: thoughts when looking at both of these. First off, mcsha's 352 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: mock title is extremely pretentious, but I also give him 353 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: credit for, you know, going out on a limb and saying, 354 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: this is it right here, this is the guide, this 355 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: is the study guide. You do this, you'll get an 356 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: A for me. At least it's funny. I guess we'll 357 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: work backwards here. Justin Lane tweeted that he wants the 358 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: Browns to come get him in the second round. When 359 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: I talked to him at the combine, he was very 360 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: proud of the fact he was from Cleveland. He didn't 361 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: really sound like he enjoyed living in Michigan very much. Know, 362 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: it was just very interesting because most guys are like, yeah, 363 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: I love my college campus. I had a great time. 364 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: He didn't really talk about it. And there was a 365 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:51,719 Speaker 1: reporter from the Lions, Tory Petrie. She was asking him 366 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: questions about you know what do you love about East 367 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 1: Lancing and what do you love about Michigan. He was like, 368 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: not much. It's like I like the food spot that 369 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 1: I got I got see, but otherwise don't really like anything. 370 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, this is interesting. You right, this 371 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: guy might really want to come home and play for 372 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: the Browns. I think it would make sense at that position. Um, 373 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 1: in terms of, you know, they need to get some depth. 374 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 1: As you know, any team that's gonna be playing deep 375 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: into the season needs many corners. We saw that last 376 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: year with how you know, injuries forced the Browns to 377 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 1: go in a different direction and and bring some guys in, 378 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: you know, kind of off the street to you know, 379 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: dress and play later in the season when you had 380 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: a lot of those injuries happened at once. Terrence Mitchell 381 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 1: was one of them with a broken arm and uh 382 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: and you know T. J. Carey was out as well. E. J. 383 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,719 Speaker 1: Gaines missed a lot of time and so you know, 384 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: this is a this makes sense. Michael Jordan at guard. 385 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan has played pretty much every position in the 386 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: offensive line in Ohio State in his career. Very versatile. 387 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: Um probably is better on the outside than he is 388 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: on the inside. It's either one or the other. I 389 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: always make that one up. Um. I like that, I 390 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: like I like that mock. I wouldn't necessarily give him 391 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: an A for that. There are some concern about Justin Lane. 392 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: He didn't run as fast as people expect him to 393 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: or at least as he talked. It wasn't super slow. 394 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: But I like that mack Well Lane be there at nine. 395 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 1: I guess that's the question that comes to my mind 396 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: when I read that. I think in uh Dane's mock, 397 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 1: I think he was gone at forty six, just ahead 398 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 1: and so that would you know? It's that range. It's 399 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: that range, and a couple of Cleveland kids are in 400 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: that range. Lane was at forty six. Draymond Jones, the 401 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: defensive tackle from Ohio State, he was at fifty. So 402 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: if the Browns have their choice of those two guys, 403 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: I think you can't go wrong with either of them. 404 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: Do they have both happen to be from the Big Ten? Yes, 405 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: but I think they both addressed, you know, some areas 406 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: of depth that the Browns could use, and I think 407 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: they'd be good picks either way. The Kuiper one is 408 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: a little interesting to me because Adderlie as a guy 409 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,959 Speaker 1: you kind of heard about more because he came out 410 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: of the scene at the Senior Bowl. Um, you know 411 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,360 Speaker 1: he's he's listed as a safety if I want to say, 412 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 1: he played corner in college, but he projects as a 413 00:19:55,920 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: safety in the NFL, And um, it just it makes 414 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 1: you wonder. After the moves that John Dorsey has made 415 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 1: in the last couple of weeks, acquiring Eric Murray, signing 416 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: Morgan Burnett, obviously you want some depth, but at the 417 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: same time, could that be spent elsewhere? I would like 418 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: to see how his mock shakes out and who is 419 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: available at forty nine, because that, I think that really 420 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 1: has a lot to do with how you make these picks. 421 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: Is also letting the draft come to you and then 422 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 1: figuring out do I need to move up to get 423 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: this guy? Am I not gonna be able to address 424 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: a position of need if I don't move up? Or 425 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 1: can I let it come to me and then have 426 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: a pick from a few guys? I think in in 427 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 1: mcshay's situation or in Dane's mock draft where you're talking 428 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: about you know what we said about Lane and Jones 429 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: being there, those are two really good options, whereas maybe 430 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: in Kuiper's mock draft, none of those guys, or maybe 431 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: my own personal favorites were there. Now. Greg Little's I 432 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: guess descent to the third round has been very interesting. 433 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: This is a guy who many people thought would be 434 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,479 Speaker 1: the number one tackle taken in the draft early on, 435 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: didn't have a great combine. Second straight year where a 436 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: guy's lost some value in the combine last year's Orlando 437 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: Brown Jr. But in the third round seems like that 438 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: would be some pretty good value. And you gotta remember 439 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: Greg Robinson's in a one year deal that's not entirely stable. 440 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: Even if he plays well, it's not entirely stable yet. Well, 441 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: and you and you still don't know entirely what you 442 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: have and Dezmon Harrison, Yeah, that's very true. The only 443 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: guy you have locked up right now is Chris Ubbard 444 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,239 Speaker 1: at right tackle. And the way that contract structures, too, 445 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 1: is it's not really locked up through five, it's more 446 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: locked up through three. So you need to look down 447 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: the road. The draft is the way you do that. 448 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 1: The draft is also if you if you draft well, 449 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: you can standard cap. You can remain competitive, especially in 450 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: this window with Baker being on a rookie contract. You 451 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: don't have to pay our quarterback big money. It helps 452 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: you do a lot of other things, address a lot 453 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: of other areas there on that path right now. And 454 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 1: I think, you know, drafting a tackle for depth with 455 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,239 Speaker 1: the potential to become a starter is an extremely wise move. 456 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: So I do like that aspect of Kuiper's mock draft. 457 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: But again, it's super interesting how just you go from 458 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: mock draft mock draft. They're all over the place. It's 459 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,479 Speaker 1: it's it's a big crap shoot. It really is an 460 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: educated crap. Well, we don't really have any idea until 461 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: Thursday night, at about midnight when the first round, because 462 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: then then you go, okay, here are the top twenty guys. 463 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: We're gonna end up with one of these twenties. Wasn't 464 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: that so weird last year when we ended round one 465 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: and we knew going into round two that we would 466 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 1: be on the clock first, and we got an entire 467 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: night to think, who are you? Who are they going 468 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: to take? Which? Which direction? Are gonna kill this guy? 469 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 1: Look at this guy? Here? You get here? And then 470 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 1: Austin Corvertt's name comes across and everyone's like what And 471 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 1: I'm fist pumping from my direction, just because you know 472 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: that's my areas the offensive line. I loved him. I 473 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: love his tape. I think he's got violent hands, and 474 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: uh yeah, that was a big victory in my corner. 475 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: And we'll see how he plays this year. But it's 476 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: just funny how that plays out. Is atterly too much 477 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: like Damarius Randall at the safety spot. I know that 478 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 1: they want ball hawking safeties, both both of them, but 479 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: easy too close to what Randall already is. I think 480 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: when you look at the safety position right now, there 481 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: is not quite as much of a distinct between free 482 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: and strong as there used to be, and I think 483 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: that sometimes confuses some people in the type of position 484 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: that that person might play. Now. Morgan Burnett, you know 485 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: he's gonna play strong, right Eric Murray Moore of a 486 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: free safety, but depending on who you ask, they would 487 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 1: swap the two. So really, when you look at Adderlie, 488 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 1: he's gonna be making a switch. Anyway. You can't be 489 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: too much like Damarius Randall, because Damarius Randal is a 490 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: good football player, and Damarius Ryandad is gonna be in 491 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 1: line for an extension very soon, and it's an earned extension, 492 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: and it was a good trade last year to bring 493 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: him in from Green Bay, and so it wouldn't be 494 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: bad if you had two of them. I just think 495 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: that in the second round you might want to go 496 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 1: elsewhere based on how the talent in this draft stacks up. 497 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 1: All right, And speaking of mocks, we will talk about 498 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: Dan Bruegler's mock draft, the whole seven round mock in 499 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: a little bit more detail, but right now, Uh Nathan 500 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: Zigirl the Z that stands for Ziggura, had a chance 501 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: to sit down with the draft guru himself in Dane Bruegler. 502 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: You can check out all of Dane's work log on 503 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: today the Athletic dot Com and subscribe today. He does 504 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: fantastic work. He's also a great follow on Twitter because 505 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: he breaks down a number of guys and tweets positives 506 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: and negatives about each His draft guide is coming out. 507 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 1: He is one of the best in the business. He 508 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: was kind enough to give us twenty minutes of his time. 509 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: It's a fantastic interview. Have a listen, Dane. How are 510 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: you doing? Great? Though? Is good to hop on with you. 511 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: Guys are to believe we're two weeks in the draft already. 512 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: I don't know what's sorry to believe that the draft 513 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: is only two weeks away or that for the first 514 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: time and forever, the Browns do not have a pick, 515 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: let alone multiple picks in the first round. It's certainly 516 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: a changeup. And you know, at first it was wow, 517 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: we don't don't have a pick in the top ten, 518 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: and now it's going picking the first round. And but 519 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, you know that it doesn't mean 520 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 1: you can just be on cruise control on on the 521 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: first hand of the draft. Just you never know what 522 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 1: Mr Dorrisey, if the right player starts creeping down, uh 523 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,439 Speaker 1: that draft board needs still available. You just never know. 524 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: All right, let's just start with kind of I know 525 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: you just released at the Athletic uh a seven round, 526 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 1: all two hundred and fifty four picks. It's your mock 527 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: draft five point oh, and let's just talk about first round. 528 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: I know the Browns don't have a pick, but risers, followers, 529 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 1: from what you're hearing right now, who are some of 530 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 1: the hot names coming up the draft boards? And maybe 531 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 1: who are some of the guys coming down the draft boards. Yeah, 532 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: with the respect of the quarterback, you know, the quarterbacks 533 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: of the toughest thing the really peg. And you know 534 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 1: it's funny because before you're going into the combine, Kyler 535 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: Murray was kind of the wild card. You know, where's 536 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: Kyler going to go? And now Kyler is pretty set 537 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: at number one at least that's how we feel going 538 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: uh you know, two weeks away and Dwayne Haskins is 539 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,199 Speaker 1: the wild card in the first round. Uh, you know, 540 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: does he fall out of the top ten? Is he 541 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: instead of being the second quarterback or the first? Is 542 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 1: now the third quarterback draft and maybe the fourth. You know, 543 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: there's just so many different, uh wide ching opinions throughout 544 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: the league on Dwayne Haskins, and so you know, when 545 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 1: we know what these quarterbacks, it just takes you know, 546 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 1: I I our beauty in the added beholder, and it 547 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: just takes the right fit. So it's really going to 548 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 1: be interesting with Dayne Haskins where he ends up. I 549 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: pegged him at number eleven to the Bengals in my 550 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: seven round mocks raft. I think that'd be a great 551 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: pick for him. Uh, you know, going to a franchise 552 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: with a young, offensive minded head coach and Zach Taylor. Uh, 553 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: you know, Andy Dalton's in trench to the starter doesn't 554 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: you know it happens, won't be pushed into the mix 555 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: right away, chance to sit and develop at his own pace. 556 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: But these quarterbacks are gonna be the really the toughest 557 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 1: part of the first round of peg. And not only Haskin, 558 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 1: but Daniel Jones, Drew Lock. Where did these guys go? Uh? 559 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 1: Any of them getting the top ten? I think all 560 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: four are gonna go somewhere in the top twenty. It's 561 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 1: just gonna be tough to figure out exactly where. Oh. Listen, 562 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: and from the Brown's perspective, get all those quarterbacks drafted 563 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: before the Browns pick at forty nine to try to 564 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: maybe make that pick a little bit more exciting and enticing, 565 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 1: uh for the Browns. Before we get to what the 566 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: Browns or what you have the Browns doing, I want 567 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: to ask you about it, Oliver, because he was a 568 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: guy that for so long everybody thought was, you know, 569 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: for sure a top ten pick, and then you know 570 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: in the initial everybody's not maybe yours, but a lot 571 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: of the mock one point ohs that came out a 572 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: long time ago. He was falling into the twenties. In fact, 573 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 1: he was available for the Browns at seventeen when the 574 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: Browns had that pick in many and now it seems 575 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 1: like he's consensus back in the top ten. So as 576 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 1: somebody who gets to talk to talent evaluators all the time, 577 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: what what happened and is was that more of just 578 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: a media perception, whereas the team has always had him 579 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: there in that top ten. It's just tough when you 580 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: talk about at Oliver because it's scheme fit is so 581 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: important with him, uh, because he's a little undersized, and 582 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: it's not just the weight, you know, two eight seven, 583 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 1: he was two eighty one at the Pro Day. His 584 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: playing weights likely in the high two seventies. It's not 585 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: just that, but the lack of length only thirty one 586 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: three quarter inch arms, and that's just not going to 587 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: be for everybody. And so finding the right fit Fred 588 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: Oliver is a little bit of daunting halt And in 589 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: my mock, adn't going to the Giants. They've shown a 590 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 1: lot of interest in him. Uh. You know, they run 591 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: a three four, but they like to mix it up 592 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: at their personnel. Um. You know, I think they'll run 593 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 1: a lot of four man front and they'll figure out 594 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: a way to use at Oliver. Um. But it's just 595 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: planning the right scheam. Fit is really the key when 596 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: you project at Oliver, so more so than the talent, 597 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: it's just trying to find that fit. And so I 598 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: think it's still very possible he goes in the top ten, 599 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: but I think it's just as possible that he falls 600 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 1: into the early team, just because again it's about fit 601 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: and not everybody's willing to move their defense around to 602 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: fit the player. And we know whether that's right or wrong, 603 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: that's just kind of how it is. And so when 604 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: it's all said done, I think at Oliver will be 605 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: somewhere in the top ten. But it's not a lock, 606 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: and it really comes down to the size, and you know, 607 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: he's not he's not Aaron Donald. You know, we know 608 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: that he's not that type of cash lusher and so 609 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: you know, will you get better rushing the passer in 610 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: terms of uh, you know, more moves and you know, 611 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: become more developed in that area using his hands. He's 612 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: just you know, in the A C that play at Houston, 613 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: he's so energetic, so aggressive that you know that quickness 614 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: was able to beat defender or blockers just based on 615 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: that energetic style. And in the NFL it's not gonna 616 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: be quite that easy. He's gonna add a little more 617 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: nuance to his game. And he's still very young, very 618 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: very young. He's just turned twenty one years old, so 619 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: you know he's going to develop. It's just going to 620 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: take the right fit for him to be put in 621 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: the bright spot. All right. Talking with Dane Brugler, NFL 622 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: draft expert for The Athletic. And by the way, you 623 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: know it's the Draft Bible, his guide coming out soon. 624 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: The only way to get it is that the subscription 625 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: to The Athletic, where we'll get all of Dane's coverage 626 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: and really all of their great coverage of all sports 627 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: around this great country. All right, Dane, let's talk from 628 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: the Brown's perspective. You're sitting in John Dorsey's chair. You've 629 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: made the moves. Vernon's here, richardsonce here, Odell Beckham is here, 630 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt is here. You've resigned Greg Robinson, you've signed 631 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: Morgan Burnett, traded for Eric Murray. Where do you see 632 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: the biggest needs still remaining for this football team? Yeah? 633 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: I think you know John has done a nice job 634 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: of filling the bigger needs, um and that comes down 635 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: to you know where do you want to address death first? 636 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: And I think that's where you can really let the 637 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: board come to you. You don't have to make, you know, 638 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: any snap decisions, don't have to reach for a player 639 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: a certain position. Uh. You know, they can focus on 640 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: in in my opinion, the offensive line in the secondary, 641 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: that's where I want depth. Um. You know you mentioned 642 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: resigning Greg Robinson. It's only a one year deal. You 643 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,959 Speaker 1: never no long term. Uh. You know Harrison undrafted free 644 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: agent from last year's He's gonna be in the long 645 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: term mix. You can never have too many offensive linemen. 646 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: And so if I can find an offensive lineman in 647 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: the second round, bring them on, bring Adam to my team, 648 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: and you know we'll develop him and you know he 649 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: can have a prominent uh position moving forward. Uh, it 650 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: just won't be as a rookie. Just it'll be depth 651 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: immediately in a starter down the road and then in 652 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: the secondary corner. And I still think safety is in 653 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: a neat area. Is an area that you can address. 654 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: So uh in my mocks raft at Taylor wrap from Washington. Uh, 655 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: you know, maybe a first rounder. Uh when we initially 656 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: started this process, now could be in the middle of 657 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: the second round running a four seven eight and its 658 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: forty or dash. Uh. You know that's something that a 659 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: lot of teams. They're not gonna draft the four seven 660 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: eight safety in the first round, maybe the top forty 661 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: and for teams in the middle of the second round, 662 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: they're pumping their fifth because it's the talent like Taylor Wrap. 663 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: He's so intinctive, so tough, so competitive. Maybe he falls 664 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: to the mid second round, and if I'm the round 665 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: forty nine, I'm not letting him get past my pick. 666 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,239 Speaker 1: I think you'd be a great addition that secondary. So 667 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: Taylor Wrap, you go safety there, and I think the 668 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: theme is at least when I think about this football 669 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: team defense, especially in the backfield, maybe at the linebacker 670 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: position as well. You move into the third round for 671 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns and you continued to attack that secondary. Yeah, 672 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: it was a guy that uh was initially at Ohio State. Uh. 673 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: Then he has some knee issues, goes to Auburn. Um 674 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: is really the biggest thing with Dean Jamal Dean from Auburn. Uh, 675 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: is is he healthy? And that's with the knees. He's 676 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: been healthy in the last two years at Auburn. But 677 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: you're talking about a big, big corner six one, two 678 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: or six anyway four three oh at the combine, really 679 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: athletic player. Uh you know, he's a guy that it's 680 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: pure upside because you're talking about a big athlete who 681 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: can run, he can cover, he's tough, he'll tackle, and 682 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: so you add him to the mix. Uh you know, 683 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: a bigger corner has some length to him. Uhty on 684 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: three core inch arms. I think that's a steal in 685 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: the third round. He might not get to that point, 686 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: but if he's there in the mid third round, Jamal Dean, 687 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: I think he'd be a great addition to that secondary. Yeah, 688 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: and I think that that's a lot of people degree 689 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: for the Browns right now. Obviously another safety in the mix, 690 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: although you got Burnette here, but somebody for long term 691 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: plan there and that's kind of been the John dor 692 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: cmo to bring in a veteran and then still draft 693 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: somebody at that same position, a cornerback as well, and 694 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: then you get to the offensive line here in the 695 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: fourth round for the Clue and Browns, I think a 696 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: lot of people think it would make sense for them 697 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: to bring in another developmental tackle alongside Desmond Harrison. Right 698 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,479 Speaker 1: in the fourth round down. I'm going Dennis Daily from 699 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: South Carolina who uh two year starter at South Carolina 700 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: at left tackle UH six five three seventeen UH moves Okay, 701 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: does a nice job with his length uh. But in 702 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: he's light footed for a guy that size, smooth hips um, 703 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: but he's not afraid to get physical. He's got a 704 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: nice sweite move uh in the run game, hill and golf, 705 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: will move defenders heavy handed. UM. He tends to kind 706 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: of overset at times and that's where his balance gets 707 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: a little off kilter. But I thought he did a 708 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: nice job to Senior Bowl, had a good week down 709 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: in Mobile, and he's a guy that when you watch 710 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: his tape, he there's a lot of you know worthy 711 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: tape that you can watch because he faced a murderers 712 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: row with Clemson and Cleveland. Ferrell Florida chied to light 713 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: Kentucky Josh Allen and for the most part he held 714 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: his zone. He had some all goals with Josh Allen 715 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 1: in Kentucky, but for the most part he held his 716 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: own and showed that Hey, I've got the next level 717 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 1: of talent. I think he's a guy that for the 718 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 1: next level you bring him in developmental swing tackle, and 719 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 1: I think by year two you have a guy who's 720 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: ready to push for starting reps, which is exactly what 721 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: you wanted. You can improve that depth. That's what you 722 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,399 Speaker 1: do here at this section of the draft. You move 723 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: in the fifth round. This is where the Browns have 724 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: three picks. And correct me if I'm wrong, But don't 725 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 1: a lot of people think that this draft is more 726 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 1: stacked in the middle rounds than maybe it is at 727 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 1: the top of this draft. Yeah, I think that's fair, 728 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: and especially with some of these guys that test really well, 729 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,919 Speaker 1: and you know that's gonna push some maybe some non 730 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: testers in the the middle rounds. Um you know, where 731 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: you're still getting a good football player but maybe just 732 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: didn't test as well to combine or Pro Day. And 733 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,399 Speaker 1: then also you have some guys who were a little 734 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: bit off the radar but then tested really well throughout 735 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 1: the process. They'll get mixed or pushed up into those 736 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: middle round range. And then you know for the three 737 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 1: fifth round picks, I don't going defense of the first 738 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,919 Speaker 1: two with Kingsley, Kiki from Texas A and m uh 739 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: there's a nose guards at for the Aggies. Then he 740 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: moved in a defensive end UH six three two eight pounds, 741 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: you know, and somewhere in the middle. I think he'd 742 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: be able to add some depth at both tackle spots 743 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: on the interior, UH if you want to, you know, 744 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 1: behind Larry of gen Jovi, behind Shlton Richardson. I think 745 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: he'd be a nice depth guy to fill there. And 746 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: then UH, in the middle of the third round, I 747 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: haven't think of Stephen Denmark from Baldosta State. And this 748 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: is a player who's really interesting because he was a 749 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: wide receiver UH to start his college career, and then 750 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 1: they moved in the corner of this past year and 751 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: he was surprisingly efficient as as a corner of first 752 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 1: year corner, six two and a half two hundred twenty 753 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,320 Speaker 1: pound big boy, and he went out there, ran a 754 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 1: four four six or forty yard dash, had an elite 755 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: ten yard time on eighth forty three and a half 756 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 1: in javert nineteen on the bench, tested off off the charts. 757 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: But again the tape isn't bad either for a guy 758 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: who's the first year corner. So yes, they had him 759 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: taking corner and the third. But here in the fifth 760 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: that's a chance where you roll the dice on a 761 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: guy like this who could be a high upside player. 762 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: Even Denmark from Valdophine State Division two. Definitely a name 763 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 1: to keep a name on your radar on Day three 764 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,280 Speaker 1: of the draft, all right, right, that name down Brown's fans, 765 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 1: and then you don't go linebacker until the sixth round. 766 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 1: Drew Lewis from Colorado. If you want to expand on him, 767 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 1: you can. If not, I would ask for maybe some 768 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: linebackers that you think could fit for this Brown seam, 769 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 1: maybe rounds two, three, four, Just a couple of guys 770 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: that maybe have caught your eye so far this year. Well, 771 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: Drew Lewis, and there's a little bit of a connection 772 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: to John Dorsey here. Uh. Drew Lewis his father was 773 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: in the front office with the Chiefs when John was 774 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: GM in Kansas City, So there's a little bit of 775 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: a connection there. Drew Lewis started at Washington, went to UH, 776 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,240 Speaker 1: had some issues there, got kicked out, went to Juco, 777 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 1: and then the past three years have been at Colorado. 778 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: And just a really really athletic player. Six two and 779 00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,879 Speaker 1: a half two or twenty nine pounds, four or five 780 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: one in the forty yard dash. UH played both the mic, 781 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,840 Speaker 1: played outside. UH really athletic player, and if I'm you know, 782 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,320 Speaker 1: six rounds, this isn't what I'm looking for. An athletic 783 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 1: linebacker can do a lot of things. I think he's 784 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: got the i Q that you want. I think you know, 785 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 1: when you break him down, you see some diagnosed skills. 786 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,760 Speaker 1: You saw him get a little bit better in coverage. 787 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,279 Speaker 1: So Drew Lewis from Colorado definitely name to keep on 788 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 1: the radar. And then Uh, you know one name that 789 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,359 Speaker 1: I didn't mention from the fifth round that also had 790 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,919 Speaker 1: him taking a look at his Penny Hart who tore 791 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 1: it up in Mobile. Um, you know, a slot receiver 792 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,359 Speaker 1: and you can kind of work into the mix. Uh 793 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,760 Speaker 1: didn't have a great combine, ran in the four sixes, 794 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 1: uh in the forty yard dash, but what he did 795 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,279 Speaker 1: in Mobile is going to get him drafted. And I 796 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: thought that the week that he had at the Senior 797 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 1: Bowl was certainly oppressive and certainly worthy of the fifth round. 798 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 1: So when you look at this this hall, obviously, I 799 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: think it addresses all of the needs that you mentioned 800 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 1: were out there, provides depth in competition, and we know 801 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 1: that's exactly what John Dorsey wants to do. The one 802 00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 1: name I do want to ask you about though you 803 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: have going thirty second in Mark five point oh. It 804 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 1: was reported that he had a visit here with the 805 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 1: Browns and seems like the kind of guy that if 806 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 1: John Dorsey were to make a move back into Round 807 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 1: one at the end get that fifth year option, this 808 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: would be a guy to do it. Jeffrey Simmons was 809 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 1: probably a top five talent, top ten talent in this draft. 810 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: What's kind of when you read the tea leaves on him, 811 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: where do you see him going? And do you think 812 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 1: that's the guy that could be if John Dorsey were 813 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 1: to make a move the object of his affection, he's 814 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,399 Speaker 1: certainly gonna be a wild card, uh, because it comes 815 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 1: down to who is willing to uh, you know, basically 816 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 1: red shirt their first round pick as an NFL rookie, 817 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: because that's basically what you're looking at. Maybe Jeffrey Simmons 818 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: can come in late in the year, but I think 819 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,439 Speaker 1: it's best to attack it thinking he's just gonna miss 820 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,080 Speaker 1: his rookie year and you'd be okay with that, you know, 821 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,879 Speaker 1: both with where your your team is at. And then 822 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,360 Speaker 1: just as a general manager, blue general manager is guaranteed 823 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 1: next year and so you have to be comfortable that, hey, 824 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 1: my rooks, my first round rookie, he's not gonna play 825 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 1: this year. And with Jeffrey Simmons, it's a little more 826 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,479 Speaker 1: complicated because not only do you have the left knee, 827 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 1: the A C L, but you have the past character baggage, 828 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 1: and that's something that uh, you know, I think most 829 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: people know by now at the video of him striking 830 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,719 Speaker 1: a woman on the ground, and it's you know, it's 831 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 1: with the Browns and some of the other players they 832 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 1: have on the roster right now, that's certainly going to 833 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 1: play a part in the discussion. But I'll tell you what, 834 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 1: if he's a really good football player. Everybody at Misissippi State, 835 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 1: you talked to them, they speak very very highly. Um, 836 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 1: it was more of a isolated incident, you know, three 837 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,000 Speaker 1: years ago where you know, he was protecting his family 838 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,719 Speaker 1: and it's not something that we ever, we're scared is 839 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,239 Speaker 1: gonna happen again here on campus. So there's a lot 840 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,439 Speaker 1: of positive, uh feedback when you talk to people close 841 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 1: to him, people close to the situation. And so if 842 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,440 Speaker 1: he does laugh into the late portion of the first round, 843 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 1: which you know, I think you're looking at the Raiders 844 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,759 Speaker 1: because they have three first round picks. You're looking at 845 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,720 Speaker 1: the Rams, you look at the Patriot, all possible landing spot. 846 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 1: But yeah, you're you're right. If the Browns they're ready 847 00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 1: to pounce, and if the right offerers there and Jeffrey 848 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,239 Speaker 1: Simmons there, it would make some sense. A guy that's 849 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 1: not really gonna help you this year, but you're planning 850 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,360 Speaker 1: for next year. You're getting a top five, top seven 851 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,400 Speaker 1: talent in this class, a really good football player. It's 852 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,440 Speaker 1: gonna be interesting to see how it all plays out again. 853 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,719 Speaker 1: You can follow him on Twitter at dp Bruegler. Subscribe 854 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 1: to The Athletic because you want to get this draft guide. 855 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,280 Speaker 1: It will give you everything you need to know about 856 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,719 Speaker 1: every prospect. It makes your draft watching much more enjoyable. 857 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,320 Speaker 1: When your team drafts somebody, you could say, hey, oh yeah, 858 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 1: and now you know everything about the guy from all 859 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,360 Speaker 1: of his time in college, how he projects to the NFL, 860 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 1: comps at the whole deal. Dane gives it to you 861 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,120 Speaker 1: in his draft guide. Dane always appreciate the time. We 862 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,080 Speaker 1: always feel much smarter after talking to you, learning about 863 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 1: this year's draft, and before I let you go, I 864 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,960 Speaker 1: got it. Ask because you mentioned him earlier briefly, Kyler Murray, 865 00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,719 Speaker 1: he goes one? Is this a hard part to figure out? 866 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 1: Because if he goes one, let's just say that's the case, 867 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,320 Speaker 1: Josh Rosen's probably on another team, which would cross a 868 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,319 Speaker 1: quarterback needy team potentially off the list, et cetera. Is 869 00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,440 Speaker 1: this one of the craziest scenarios you've ever had to 870 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,319 Speaker 1: contemplate while doing MOX knowing that a guy that was 871 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,160 Speaker 1: traded up for drafted in the first round at quarterback 872 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,279 Speaker 1: a year ago by a team is now looking to 873 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 1: take another quarterback number one. Overall, it was certainly crazy 874 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,880 Speaker 1: when it kind of became more of a reality at 875 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,279 Speaker 1: the combine, and now it just seems like, you know, 876 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,360 Speaker 1: it's it's going to happen. It's just that's the realistic 877 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: scenario the Cardinals are looking at, and hey, look they 878 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,920 Speaker 1: fired their head coach after one year, and so you know, 879 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,799 Speaker 1: they've shown they're not afraid to move on if they 880 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 1: feel like that's what's best for the team, and if 881 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,240 Speaker 1: they have a chance to what they feel is upgrade 882 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,719 Speaker 1: the quarterback position, well then you know they should do it, 883 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,880 Speaker 1: because honestly, what they thought of Josh Rosen as a 884 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,439 Speaker 1: prospect doesn't matter anymore because they've had a full year 885 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,320 Speaker 1: with him in the building to understand what he's about 886 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,799 Speaker 1: and you know, how to what he's going to be 887 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: long term. And so if they think that they can 888 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 1: find an upgrade, that it makes sense that they would 889 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,720 Speaker 1: do so. But it's gonna be interesting where Josh Rosen 890 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,920 Speaker 1: lands up. I think Washington is uh makes the most sense. 891 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,759 Speaker 1: I think if Washington includes case Keenum, who they just 892 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: did for include him as part of the deal, say 893 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,960 Speaker 1: Kate Keenum and the second rounder to Arizona. Within Arizona, 894 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,800 Speaker 1: they have their veteran quarterback in case Keenum that can 895 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,359 Speaker 1: you know, kind of help bring Tyler Burial along. And 896 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,560 Speaker 1: so I think that scenario certainly makes sense. Gonna be 897 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,400 Speaker 1: interesting to watch again. Follow on Twitter at dp Brugler, 898 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 1: subscribe The Athletic get his draft guide. Dane. Thank you, 899 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,520 Speaker 1: so very very much, special thanks to Dane Brugler from 900 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,759 Speaker 1: the Athletic for all of his time here today with 901 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,719 Speaker 1: Nathan Szigura. A fantastic interview. If you missed any of it, 902 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,279 Speaker 1: you can go back to Cleveland Browns dot com or 903 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts and download this episode of 904 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 1: the best podcast available. This is episode number nine. I'm 905 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,880 Speaker 1: Jason Gibbs. He's Nick Shook in for Andrew Gribble, who 906 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 1: was on assignment this week. Nick, the biggest takeaways um, 907 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 1: especially from Dane's mock here. You know he goes strong 908 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 1: safety at forty nine, defensive back. You know he's got 909 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,439 Speaker 1: some defensive an offensive line. I think the biggest thing 910 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,600 Speaker 1: to me was not taking a linebacker until round number six. 911 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 1: And we know it's not a deep linebacker draft. Especially 912 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,200 Speaker 1: you've got two guys on Day one. I don't know 913 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,040 Speaker 1: if you have maybe more than one or two on 914 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,279 Speaker 1: Day two, and basically the rest of them are all 915 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,080 Speaker 1: on Day three. But it's a pretty big position that 916 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,880 Speaker 1: I feel like you still need some work on, and 917 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,920 Speaker 1: not taking a linebacker until the sixth round would make 918 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,680 Speaker 1: me a little nervous. I think it depends on two 919 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,719 Speaker 1: things here. I think first off, maybe using round to 920 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,400 Speaker 1: value your your pick at a certain position is a 921 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:43,200 Speaker 1: little bit misleading. It's it's natural because this is, you know, 922 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:44,680 Speaker 1: what we do in a draft. There's a reason there 923 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,600 Speaker 1: are rounds. There's a reason you use picks earlier or 924 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,120 Speaker 1: later on certain guys based on your evaluation. But then 925 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,120 Speaker 1: I also give you the flip side, which is Gerard 926 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:52,759 Speaker 1: Avery and the way he played last year, and in 927 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,800 Speaker 1: the fact that he was a fifth round pick. So 928 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,680 Speaker 1: if we go down that, you know, train of thought, 929 00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,759 Speaker 1: not getting a linebacker until the sixth round in this 930 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,920 Speaker 1: and similar maybe potentially you have that potential, but you're right, 931 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,600 Speaker 1: there is a greater margin for error for a miss, 932 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,920 Speaker 1: for a disappointment. And I think in this class with 933 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,239 Speaker 1: the two guys at the top, there's there's one more 934 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,360 Speaker 1: guy who he has mocked going sixty four in New England, 935 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,560 Speaker 1: Gilani Tavai from Hawaii, and a buddy out in the 936 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,319 Speaker 1: West Coast who watched a lot of Pack, you know, 937 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,000 Speaker 1: Pack twelve and late night football, who text me about it, 938 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,759 Speaker 1: raving about this guy. Three down linebacker, you can play 939 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,959 Speaker 1: every down. He's kind of a hybrid style, can pretty 940 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,239 Speaker 1: much do a little bit of everything. Has flown under 941 00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,200 Speaker 1: the radar, according to Brugler, because he has had a 942 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:39,000 Speaker 1: shoulder injury and hasn't done the the post senior season circuit. 943 00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,319 Speaker 1: You know, he didn't do the Senior Bowl or any 944 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,240 Speaker 1: of that stuff, and so people haven't been able to 945 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,400 Speaker 1: pay attention to how he's played, but I think he 946 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,920 Speaker 1: does carry some value. I think that could be a 947 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,080 Speaker 1: spot for the Browns to make such a move in 948 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,680 Speaker 1: round two, unless you know that's they deemed that too high. 949 00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,959 Speaker 1: Maybe he slides around three, then you really make that pick. 950 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,959 Speaker 1: He doesn't have him sliding that far in this mock draft, 951 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,839 Speaker 1: so I think maybe you're looking at two stuff linebackers. 952 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,719 Speaker 1: I'm higher on Devin White than I am Devin Bush, 953 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,840 Speaker 1: primarily because Devin Bush is just a little small um, 954 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,120 Speaker 1: and then maybe a third guy who's got some potential, 955 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:10,680 Speaker 1: and after that there's really nothing. So I think at 956 00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,120 Speaker 1: that point, what has it hurt if you take a 957 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:16,520 Speaker 1: guy in the sixth round, right? I mean elsewhere you know, 958 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,640 Speaker 1: spend it on somewhere that you think this guy is 959 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,560 Speaker 1: gonna be better value. It really does come come down 960 00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,640 Speaker 1: to value. So it is concerning. This isn't the deepest 961 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,439 Speaker 1: linebacking group. I think you've got three starters. I don't 962 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,440 Speaker 1: know who you have behind them, and that's where you 963 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,640 Speaker 1: spend your six rounders. Were you surprised you on a 964 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,880 Speaker 1: wide receiver going yeah, I a little bit another late 965 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:40,720 Speaker 1: round pick? You know, um, the the damage is minimal 966 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,719 Speaker 1: I think when you spend a later round pick on 967 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,560 Speaker 1: a guy like that, as I scrolled past the entire 968 00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,080 Speaker 1: mock draft and down to the comments, but I think 969 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,600 Speaker 1: it's it's also a numbers game and you need to, 970 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,880 Speaker 1: you know, kind of kick the tires on some guys. 971 00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,759 Speaker 1: See maybe we'll maybe we'll find something out of this guy. 972 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,480 Speaker 1: You know, maybe we'll maybe this guy will be better 973 00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,120 Speaker 1: than we expected. You know, Um, we've we've seen some 974 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,600 Speaker 1: guys turned around and play better than expected in the 975 00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,160 Speaker 1: later rounds at receiver in the past, so you know, 976 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,879 Speaker 1: we'll see when it comes to that. But again, these 977 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,640 Speaker 1: are also all projections. If we could very much see 978 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,319 Speaker 1: the Browns come out here without a receiver. Yeah. Also, uh, 979 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,560 Speaker 1: no running back, you know, despite the rumors out there 980 00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:22,200 Speaker 1: Johnson wanted to be traded. Yeah, um no running back 981 00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,560 Speaker 1: out there. Not surprising unless they were to make that 982 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,520 Speaker 1: move and get a pick and then use that pick 983 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,759 Speaker 1: in a running back, primarily because you can only this 984 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,879 Speaker 1: is kind of you know, tired logic, but you really 985 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:33,640 Speaker 1: can't only hold her hand the ball up to so 986 00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,720 Speaker 1: many people in a game. And I think when Kareem 987 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,560 Speaker 1: Hunt returns from suspension paired with Nick Chubb. I mean 988 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,439 Speaker 1: that's a very strong I mean, you want to spend 989 00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,320 Speaker 1: a later pick in a running back, Yeah, but is 990 00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,160 Speaker 1: that running back worth it? Maybe not? Uh. And if 991 00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,759 Speaker 1: you find that other areas are bigger areas of need, 992 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,960 Speaker 1: then this then yeah, passing a running back, you know, 993 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,960 Speaker 1: it's not a position of great need. And that's I 994 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,359 Speaker 1: think the biggest focus. If I were to approach a draft, 995 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,439 Speaker 1: he would approach it that way unless in the first 996 00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,600 Speaker 1: round your need cannot be addressed and you go best 997 00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:07,520 Speaker 1: player available, this is the best podcast available. Uh, you know, otherwise, 998 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 1: I think you always addressed need. All right, big picture wise, 999 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,239 Speaker 1: taking a look at Dane's mock surprises that you might 1000 00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,839 Speaker 1: have had in the first round. Second round, Okay, so 1001 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,520 Speaker 1: number six, the Giants passing on Dwayne Haskins but taking 1002 00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:26,520 Speaker 1: at Oliver, who is got has a lot of potential value. 1003 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,040 Speaker 1: You know, he played a lot of three technique in college. 1004 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,399 Speaker 1: Some people see him as an outside rushers and people 1005 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,800 Speaker 1: see him as a player who can do both. And 1006 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,360 Speaker 1: I mean that's that's a pretty good player. He's very athletic. 1007 00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,000 Speaker 1: He can stand on a horse and we all know that. 1008 00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,280 Speaker 1: So you know, my concern is and We've talked about 1009 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,960 Speaker 1: it on this podcast. You're you're rolling the dice that 1010 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,280 Speaker 1: the quarterback you want is going to be there at seven, 1011 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,480 Speaker 1: And how many times do you play with fire if 1012 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,560 Speaker 1: you're Dave Gentleman before it finally burns you At the 1013 00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,400 Speaker 1: quarterback position. You passed on it entirely last year for 1014 00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:00,080 Speaker 1: Sae Kwon Barkley, a move I still disagree with, and 1015 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,960 Speaker 1: then you pass on it at six for somebody else. 1016 00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,240 Speaker 1: Maybe you think that your guy is there at seventeen. 1017 00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,839 Speaker 1: Who's your guy? Is your guy Daniel Jones is? If 1018 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,120 Speaker 1: your guy is one of those guys and it's the 1019 00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,959 Speaker 1: quarterback position, you take him at six. I always believe 1020 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,600 Speaker 1: in that logic because it's the most important position in 1021 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,359 Speaker 1: any sport. You have to feel that and and it 1022 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:23,000 Speaker 1: it baffles me that they continually place a secondary emphasis 1023 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:24,960 Speaker 1: on the quarterback position while they shore up with their 1024 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,560 Speaker 1: areas and maybe they'll trip and fall into a good quarterback, 1025 00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,640 Speaker 1: But not doing it at six makes me feel like 1026 00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,320 Speaker 1: it's another swinging a miss. Although at Oliver is a 1027 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,399 Speaker 1: good players, So that's why it's surprising to me. Number 1028 00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,600 Speaker 1: nine Rashaan Gary to the Bills that was higher than 1029 00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,120 Speaker 1: I had expected to see him go, and especially to Buffalo. 1030 00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,279 Speaker 1: They could use that presence on the edge. It just 1031 00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,600 Speaker 1: felt like an odd pairing based on all the other 1032 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,080 Speaker 1: marks that we've seen so far. Um Haskins a Cincinnati, 1033 00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,600 Speaker 1: which we kind of already covered before. I was it 1034 00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,160 Speaker 1: was a surprise. It just was. I was like, whoop, well, 1035 00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,239 Speaker 1: it kind of makes sense, but it's kind of weird. 1036 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,480 Speaker 1: And uh dk Metcalf to the Redskins. I thought was 1037 00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,799 Speaker 1: a little bit of an interesting play. They've taken their 1038 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,680 Speaker 1: chances on big bodied receivers in recent years, Terrell Prior 1039 00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,759 Speaker 1: being one of them that didn't work out. They don't 1040 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:12,719 Speaker 1: know what the quarterback situation is going on, you know 1041 00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,080 Speaker 1: the status of Alex Smith right now. We don't really 1042 00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,279 Speaker 1: know how the quarterback situation is in Washington. So maybe 1043 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,319 Speaker 1: they think let's get a big target for whoever is 1044 00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,440 Speaker 1: back there. But you also have to work on Kenda's 1045 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,560 Speaker 1: big target, run all the routes. So those are four 1046 00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,160 Speaker 1: by big surprises in the first round. T J. Hockenson 1047 00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,200 Speaker 1: sliding all the way to twenty to Pittsburgh. Of course 1048 00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,000 Speaker 1: they trip and fall right into a great tight end 1049 00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:37,040 Speaker 1: and he fits the Pittsburgh tight End Mold the plug 1050 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,520 Speaker 1: and play guy for ten years, the Heath, the Jesse James, 1051 00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,840 Speaker 1: the even the currently the Vance McDonald. I mean, we 1052 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,760 Speaker 1: can go we can go back You're right twenty years 1053 00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,200 Speaker 1: and find this guy and he fits it perfectly. So 1054 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,040 Speaker 1: of course that happens. Uh. And then a J Brown 1055 00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,719 Speaker 1: going before Hollywood Brown in this mock was a little 1056 00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,960 Speaker 1: bit interesting. And also Paris Campbell going to Green Bay, 1057 00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,440 Speaker 1: Green Bay at thirty because what we are witness sing 1058 00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,080 Speaker 1: from a distant perspective right now when it comes to 1059 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,799 Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers is a total shift in ideology 1060 00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,640 Speaker 1: and the way that they do business. And we've already 1061 00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,279 Speaker 1: seen it in the way they've approached free agency. They 1062 00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,239 Speaker 1: used to never be big players in that Ted Thompson era. 1063 00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,040 Speaker 1: Now they're bigger players. And Matt Lafleur, you know, the 1064 00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,200 Speaker 1: head coach, and we know all we know everything that 1065 00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,440 Speaker 1: was revealed in that story you know on Bleacher Report 1066 00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:23,640 Speaker 1: last week, and it's just interesting because you don't expect 1067 00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,279 Speaker 1: them to go after a speedster like Paris. Paris is 1068 00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,440 Speaker 1: a good kid and he's really worked it becoming a 1069 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,080 Speaker 1: better receiver, and I think he'd be a great fit. 1070 00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:34,120 Speaker 1: It's just very much out of their traditional approach to 1071 00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:39,200 Speaker 1: the drafts. Gotta give him a deep thret because those 1072 00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,520 Speaker 1: guys did not get open last year. They just didn't UM, 1073 00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,319 Speaker 1: I think. And then if you're going to round two, 1074 00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,600 Speaker 1: we have well we got probably three or four that 1075 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,799 Speaker 1: are some surprises or another situation which you say because 1076 00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,520 Speaker 1: of course er Smith the tight end goes to New England. 1077 00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,239 Speaker 1: Now the Patriots, I believe reportedly are a green to 1078 00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,239 Speaker 1: a one year deal with Austin Sefarie and Jenkin today. 1079 00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,200 Speaker 1: So that's a great tight end pairing. How do you 1080 00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,960 Speaker 1: replace Gronk? You throw two very athletic tight ends who 1081 00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,759 Speaker 1: can go up and get the football and do a 1082 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,799 Speaker 1: variety of things for you. I mean, this is the 1083 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,800 Speaker 1: Patriots at work as usual. UM. And and then to 1084 00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:14,680 Speaker 1: buy to the Patriots as well. That was another pick 1085 00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,640 Speaker 1: where I was like, of course, of course they would 1086 00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,800 Speaker 1: make this pick only because it's out of envy, nothing 1087 00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,959 Speaker 1: more than that. UM. And then Darrell Henderson the running 1088 00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,759 Speaker 1: back at six overall, which is going into uh the 1089 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:30,319 Speaker 1: third round, UM to Jacksonville to pair with Leonard four Nett, 1090 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,040 Speaker 1: give Nick Foles an option to throw two out of 1091 00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:36,239 Speaker 1: the backfield all very eyebrow raising, but smart picks that 1092 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,560 Speaker 1: I really liked. So that's that's the first two and 1093 00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,000 Speaker 1: a half three rounds there. And then we got a 1094 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:42,560 Speaker 1: couple of Browns picks in this list that I thought 1095 00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,600 Speaker 1: were a little interesting as well. The second round pick 1096 00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:49,200 Speaker 1: Taylor Wrapped the safety from Washington. He ran a slow forty, 1097 00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:50,920 Speaker 1: but he was kind of on the edge of being 1098 00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,920 Speaker 1: a first round projection earlier in the pre draft process. 1099 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:55,840 Speaker 1: He ran a four seven eight, which is pretty slow, 1100 00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,720 Speaker 1: but again, you need him to come up and defend 1101 00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:01,799 Speaker 1: the run this as a strong safety and also be 1102 00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:03,279 Speaker 1: able to be the back end of the defense. But 1103 00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,200 Speaker 1: you don't need him to be the free safety. The 1104 00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,680 Speaker 1: really the literal last line of defense. So you can 1105 00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,840 Speaker 1: overlook that because it's still a very talented player. And 1106 00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,320 Speaker 1: then quarterback Stephen Denmark from Valdosta State going to the 1107 00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:19,879 Speaker 1: Browns at the one overall pick. Played receiver until last year, 1108 00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:24,600 Speaker 1: converted to cornerback, has crazy measurables. Sounds like something that 1109 00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:30,719 Speaker 1: this front office would do. Sure, why not, Let's see 1110 00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:34,520 Speaker 1: what third pick of the fifth round and let's throw 1111 00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,640 Speaker 1: him out there, ye and let him compete. How tall 1112 00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,520 Speaker 1: as he how fast is he sign him, draft him, 1113 00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,160 Speaker 1: why not twenty to long corner. You can develop that 1114 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,760 Speaker 1: guy all he needs. And that's the beauty of the NFL. 1115 00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:47,520 Speaker 1: And this is what I love about NFL coaches, and 1116 00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,040 Speaker 1: it's it's partially because it's true. They have the utmost 1117 00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,120 Speaker 1: confidence that they can coach a guy as long as 1118 00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,279 Speaker 1: he's willing to buy in into whatever they want him 1119 00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,640 Speaker 1: to be. And if they see it in this guy 1120 00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:59,680 Speaker 1: and he's got the athletic ability, it's like Clay, they're 1121 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,759 Speaker 1: just gonna molden and they want to maybe, you know, 1122 00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,000 Speaker 1: maybe they'll mold this guy. The more I look at 1123 00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:06,400 Speaker 1: these mocks, the more I'm just like, let's just get 1124 00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,920 Speaker 1: to the draft. I'm ready to fire. We have officially 1125 00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,400 Speaker 1: reached silly season. Yeah, and I think we've all reached 1126 00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:16,480 Speaker 1: the point where we're overthinking, over analyzing, and overreact. It 1127 00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:17,920 Speaker 1: is fun to go pick by pick and just try 1128 00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,040 Speaker 1: and piece them into the roster of what makes sense 1129 00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,920 Speaker 1: for which team. All it takes are one or two 1130 00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,520 Speaker 1: teams to go, yeah, we're not gonna go that way, 1131 00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:30,160 Speaker 1: We're gonna go left and everyone else. Everything's off kilter, 1132 00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,399 Speaker 1: everything's gone that you know what has hit the fan 1133 00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,480 Speaker 1: in this mock, I had I think seven picks. I 1134 00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:40,360 Speaker 1: really loved Haskins to Cincinnati because it makes sense, Hawkins 1135 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:44,120 Speaker 1: into Pittsburgh because it makes sense. Smith and Divide in 1136 00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,200 Speaker 1: New England because they make sense. But then we go 1137 00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:50,360 Speaker 1: into the later rounds and on edge Rusher out of Oregon, 1138 00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,839 Speaker 1: Jalen Jelks, who was a stud and didn't really get 1139 00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:55,719 Speaker 1: a lot of attention because he played in Oregon during 1140 00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,480 Speaker 1: their down years. You know, he saw he played for 1141 00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,839 Speaker 1: two three different head coaches, played for Willie Taggert, left 1142 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,799 Speaker 1: for Florida State, played for Mario Christobal this last year. 1143 00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:06,920 Speaker 1: Uh is still there now. And I think he was 1144 00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,120 Speaker 1: even a Herzlich guy before, not a health rich Mark 1145 00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,000 Speaker 1: Helfrich and and you know that's a lot of turmoil 1146 00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,680 Speaker 1: to deal with. And he was a very impactful player 1147 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,520 Speaker 1: in in Oregon. He goes to Seattle at one. I 1148 00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,600 Speaker 1: think that'd be a great fit for them, and you 1149 00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,640 Speaker 1: put him kind of mix him in with a Frank Clark, 1150 00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,239 Speaker 1: who those are two young and athletic guys that can 1151 00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,600 Speaker 1: play really well. Another pick to Seattle one nine Marvel Tell, 1152 00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,720 Speaker 1: who was a I believe he was either a corner 1153 00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,239 Speaker 1: or a safety at USC. Yeah, I think he was 1154 00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,720 Speaker 1: a corner and he's projected to switch to a safety. 1155 00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,239 Speaker 1: He's an athletic guy. He's a guy who a lot 1156 00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:44,120 Speaker 1: of people expected more out of at USC. Another tumultuous 1157 00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,880 Speaker 1: tenure in college, something that's really out of the player's control, 1158 00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,640 Speaker 1: you know, where teams come in with high expectations and 1159 00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,560 Speaker 1: don't live up to it. But he's a very athletic 1160 00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,319 Speaker 1: and very talented guy, and I think that's a great 1161 00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,960 Speaker 1: fit in that type of defensive system which has taken 1162 00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,920 Speaker 1: similar guys Richard Sherman being one, and turned them into 1163 00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,880 Speaker 1: very good players. And then the last one, Mike Webber, 1164 00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,279 Speaker 1: the Ohio State running back to Kansas City at the 1165 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,440 Speaker 1: two hundred and six pick. That's great value that lay 1166 00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:12,400 Speaker 1: in the draft. That's just excellent value. He's a great player. Yeah, 1167 00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:16,320 Speaker 1: he's dealt with injuries, but when he's healthy, very effective. Yeah, 1168 00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:17,920 Speaker 1: no question. I think that would fit in well with 1169 00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,440 Speaker 1: that backfield. My friend, thank you for filling in this week. 1170 00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,480 Speaker 1: I'm standing. We'll give you a little more talk time. 1171 00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,040 Speaker 1: That's just one of my stupid games. Great, it was 1172 00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,960 Speaker 1: good to have some expertise. I'll take it anytime. I 1173 00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,960 Speaker 1: can get it. Gribbs is back next week, Shuk I'll 1174 00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,840 Speaker 1: be back next week as well. Nathan Zigura, will you 1175 00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,600 Speaker 1: thank him for his time and efforts, and of course 1176 00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:42,800 Speaker 1: the great Dane Brugler. If you missed this podcast, missed 1177 00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,160 Speaker 1: parts of it, if you missed any of the other 1178 00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,480 Speaker 1: eight episodes, you can log on to Cleveland Browns dot com. 1179 00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,640 Speaker 1: Do you get that podcast or wherever you get your 1180 00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,359 Speaker 1: podcast from iTunes, google Play. It'll all be up there, 1181 00:55:55,640 --> 00:56:00,440 Speaker 1: all nine episodes going four eleven episodes. Uh, they'll all 1182 00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,600 Speaker 1: be up there and you can download those at any 1183 00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,720 Speaker 1: point in time until next week. My friend. Appreciate it, Yes, anytime. 1184 00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,360 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it. Can't wait for the draft 1185 00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,760 Speaker 1: to get Yeah, let's go. Let's just get to the draft. 1186 00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,920 Speaker 1: Rookie minicamps, let's start, let's put let's start doing some stuff. 1187 00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,680 Speaker 1: And wishing safe travels to Gribble as well as he 1188 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:22,520 Speaker 1: returns from Denver later this week. Rough rough assignment, rough assims. Yeah, 1189 00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,520 Speaker 1: all good. If anybody can handle it, grips can handle it. 1190 00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,520 Speaker 1: For Nick Shook, I'm Jason Gibbs. This has been the 1191 00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,279 Speaker 1: best podcast available