WEBVTT - Sean Martin 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.560 I miss the green, for example, I'm already upset. 0:00:02.680 --> 0:00:04.960 When I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:07.000 And when I find my ball in a brid egg, 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:11.880 Friday Egg, the dreaded Friday Egg, Friday Frida Bride Egg. 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:13.440 Lie, I'm about ready to run off of the. 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:40.559 Ladies and gentlemen. 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:44.280 Welcome back to another episode of the Friday Egg Podcast. 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:50.040 Today we have a guest from the PGA Tour, Sean Martin, 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:55.440 who is a special events editor. You will see a 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:59.400 lot of his writing on PGA tour dot com. Comes 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:02.720 up with a lot of really interesting stories and before 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:06.600 that worked at Golf Week, so a longtime golf scribe. 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:08.600 Sean, thanks for coming on. 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:12.400 Thanks for having me. I hope I can represent the 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:15.280 Shield well and hopefully make us look good on the pod. 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:16.200 Yeah. 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:19.600 I mean compared to me, it's not very hard, so 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:26.040 you don't have much competition. I'd love to hear a 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:28.679 little bit about how you got into the golf business 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:30.080 and your background. 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:33.640 Sure, I don't want to go. 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:35.640 Too far back, but my dad was in the publishing industry, 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:38.479 which meant we had three books, so we read a time. 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:42.000 My parents read a time, and actually I lived in Conneticuid, 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:44.720 and then when we were when I was eleven and 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:46.720 sixth grade, we moved to California in the middle of 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:50.960 school year and I got a job Etcusney, not a 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:54.000 goofy but just in the offices. But the kids that 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:57.440 happened to meet were into golf. And I'm a huge 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:00.560 advocate of like affordable golf, good junior program because that's 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:03.400 what kind of happened with me. They did this junior program. 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:04.880 I think it was like one hundred bucks for the summer. 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:10.919 You got three I think for three months of group lessons. Actually, 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:12.720 Chris Zambrie, who I think you've had on the pod 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:15.440 at the USC coach would give some of those lessons 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:17.359 in between weeks on the buy dot Com tour to 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:19.720 make the ends meet and make a little extra cash. 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:21.959 You don't make a lot of money out there, so 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:24.000 we do group lessons. I think it was six bucks 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:26.440 to play. It was a five thousand yard golf course, 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:28.079 so we would just hang out there all summer and 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:32.119 just play forever, and you know, school on the chipping green, 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:35.520 the putting green, and I just got hooked. I had 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:38.840 played baseball until then and eventually kind of quit it 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:41.120 for golf, and so I think my love of rereading 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:43.720 my love of golf. I was like, you know, I 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:45.359 want to write when I grow up, and golf's to 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:47.880 sport I know best. And I think even then I 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:49.480 kind of recognized, like, you know, everyone wants to be 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:52.079 a football writer, basketball writer, baseball writer. I was like, 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:54.639 not many people ripe about golf, so it's find my 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:57.200 easiest way to try to, you know, make something of it. 0:02:57.400 --> 0:02:59.760 And so yeah, kind of the love of reading, love 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:02.799 of often tried to combine those for the last decade 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:03.040 or so. 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:07.440 That's cool. So did you get your start out of 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:08.919 college at Golf Week? 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:11.040 Sort of? 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:16.040 I worked for like six months Apiece at two one 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:18.480 was a twice weekly newspaper. I was the one person 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:21.920 sports department. Started that like my last semester of college 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:24.440 and overlapped a little bit, and then got a job 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:26.400 at the Daily News down in Los Angeles, which is 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:28.880 like the It's kind of second to the La Times. 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:32.120 I worked there for like six to eight months, and 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:33.840 the newspaper industry is just. 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:34.560 Hard, you know. 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:38.080 I was living at home, I had no benefits, and 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:41.760 luckily the Golf Week opportunity came a long later on 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:45.200 then otherwise I might have gone back to school or something, 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:49.320 because it's just tough sledding trying to make money, you know, 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:52.720 in journalism especially, And yeah, I've been writing letters to 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:54.000 Golf Week since college. 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:55.920 Is like, hey, I'd really love to intern there. 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:59.360 You know, for years, and when they finally hired. When 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:01.040 they finally hired me, they told me that they'd been 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:03.440 like for years in the office like this kid won't 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:06.960 shut up and stop sending up emails. But luckily it 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:08.960 paid off. But they would definitely give me a hard 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:09.480 time about that. 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:13.520 Yeah, persistence pays off. You were there when they had 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:16.599 the the awesome I'll never forget. 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:17.520 I used to always be. 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:19.919 Excited for the Golf Week when they had that really 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:24.840 big publication, you know, when it was like I'm trying 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:28.400 to think like maybe eighteen inches wide, and you know, 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:31.760 they'd have pretty much every tournament score. It's it's interesting 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:35.560 to see how the print industry, especially with Golf Weeks, 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.800 changed completely. I mean that that company has taken a 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:43.240 complete one eighty in terms of you know, their editorial, 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:46.880 you know, views and you know what they cover. 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:49.279 Yeah, it's hard to see. 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:50.440 I mean a lot of my friends were the ones 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:53.040 who were laid off this fall when they got bought out, 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:56.440 and I'm glad to see they still do, you know, 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:59.360 some of the college covers and stuff. But that was 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:04.320 I mean when golf World went down first, uh we 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:06.680 kind of you know, it wasn't celebrating of like all 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:09.640 our competitors dead. It's like, you know, it's not it's 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:12.240 not a good sign. And so uh yeah, Golf Week 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:13.400 has changed a lot. I mean it used to be 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:15.720 a new literally a newspaper size, like you said. And 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:18.480 my first four years on Monday mornings, I was putting 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:20.320 those scores together, which was kind of awesome because you 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:22.480 just knew all these names, Like I remember Patrick Rodgers 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:24.839 used to kill it on the Future Collegian's World Tour 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:27.360 and like I remember that name. Then he went to Stanford, 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:31.040 now he's on tour obviously, or like when Page Sporadic 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:32.600 started making it big, and I don't want to get 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:34.320 into that whole thing. That's all that tron handle that. 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:36.520 But when she made Thak, I was like, I remember 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:38.840 that name from I think also like the FCWT or 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:42.359 something like. It's just you see these weird names pop up, 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:44.840 Like I meet people in the industry, and like I 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:47.720 can recall like, oh, yeah, you played in you know, 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:50.080 the Arizona Junior Golf Association or something, because we spent 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:51.800 literally four years just I mean we used to do 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:55.360 everything from you know, junior junior tours in the state 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:58.880 level to obviously every state amateur tournament, and so you 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:00.240 would see all kinds of names games. 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:08.080 So yeah, so curious, uh, given your background and just 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:12.760 knowing all these names, who who's the guy that you're 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:17.520 most surprised hasn't made it yet? Or is it didn't 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:17.880 make it? 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:24.000 It's funny because you do, you know, it was great 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:27.080 started off covering junior golf, so the name was back 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:30.000 in the news a little bit after Rory's milling up hood. 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:32.040 But like I started in six and that year, like 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:36.640 Philip Francis killed junior golf, he won EID A coworker. 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:38.400 Then Eric Sodas from covered junior golf for me. He 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:38.800 works the. 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:41.960 Titleist now, but he dubbed it like the Junior Grand Slam. 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:45.160 He won the US Junior the role X Tournament of Champions, 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:47.480 which is the A JGAS biggest event. I think he 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:49.680 won one of his biggest boys events. Like he basically 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:54.240 won the four biggest junior events that year. He won 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:56.120 a bunch of junior world titles. He's been on like 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:58.280 Golf Channel Jim Flake when he was like six, Like 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:01.200 everything was pointed towards like Philip Franks. 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:03.919 Is making it, and so it was funny when Rory 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:06.520 mentioned him on there. I mean, he's out of golf 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:07.320 completely now. 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:09.680 But I think even making it is kind of a 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.640 funny because what is making it. Like I've talked to 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:15.720 Charles Howell before about and Charles is great. He's like, 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:17.840 I'm the first person to admit to like I think 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:19.720 I should have won more. I thought I would have won. 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:20.560 More than I had now. 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:22.760 But at the same time, like Charles' is thirty seven, 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:24.600 he's gonna play a five hundreds tour events this year. 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:28.000 He's never lost his car. But I know you mean, 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:30.200 but I think like Patrick Cantlay, obviously a lot has 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:33.200 happened in the last couple of years. Those stories came 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:33.600 out when. 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:34.280 He came back to Pebble. 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:37.760 But Patrick Cantlay in twenty eleven, I think people forgotten, 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:40.040 like he was on that Walking Up team with Jordan. 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:40.920 Speak and all those guys. 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:43.080 But Patrick Cantlay was the man on that team, and 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:46.000 it was just kind of cool because he just. 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:50.480 He had an old school teacher. He just I don't know. 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:53.440 Patrick Cantlay was a different kind of prospect. Almost seemed 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:55.960 like like we always talked about, the ball just seems 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:57.760 really heavy on the face of his club, like with 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:01.880 every shot from his putt to it's a full swing. 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:03.360 I don't know if that's a good description, but it 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:05.560 just it almost felt like the ball seat on the 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:07.720 face a little bit longer, and everything was just so solid, 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:11.080 and he seemed like he was going to do big 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:13.680 things and really smart kid, kind of a cool you know, 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:16.240 it's such a bombing Gouage era and he does hate 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:18.720 it far, but he was such like a cerebral player 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:20.640 in a sense and a thinker that it was kind 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:21.680 of cool to watch him play. 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:24.880 Peter Uline has had some injuries. 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:25.360 Uh. 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:28.480 He did the Noling up pod this week earlier and 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:30.280 he's playing a little bit better again. But I think, 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:31.800 you know, Peter was number one amateur. 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:34.440 In the world, won the UFAM, was a great player. 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:35.800 But I look too. 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:38.440 I mean, I think Jamie Lovemark was so good in college. Uh, 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:40.720 and he's on tour obviously. 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:43.720 But has one yet another back injury though, I mean, 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:48.000 like love Mark, another got derailed both Can'tley and love Mark. 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:51.960 I mean, those amateur careers were unbelievable. I think people, 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:55.160 you know, not not the common you know, the everyday 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:58.760 golf and even doesn't pay attention much to college an 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:03.160 amateur golf. Love Mark and Cantley were out of this world. 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:06.760 Good you line was another you know, just great amateur player. 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:10.199 But you know, it's I think it shows that that 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:14.240 next level it becomes more than just talent, because at 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:17.120 the amateur level, I think you see where the talent, 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:20.439 you know, but is you know, the primary thing. But 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:23.080 then once you get to that pro level, it becomes 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:26.720 about how you can handle professional life, how you handle travel, 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:31.480 you know, what's up in your head, and then you know, 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:34.520 finally it's like you know, when you're really really great 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:38.240 at golf, it's it's hard to improve. You know, it's 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:40.679 a lot easier to go from eighty five to seventy 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:43.240 five than it is to go from seventy five to 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:45.000 seventy two. 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:48.200 Yeah, and I think those thing too. 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:50.360 I think some people will just extrapolate, like think, oh 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:53.000 this kid is is good at twenty didn't even better 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:55.280 at twenty five, And I think there's people who legitimately 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:57.080 just play played the best scenes of their career at 0:09:57.120 --> 0:10:00.800 twenty and we're always cursed by the expectation. But I 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:02.960 think too the biggest thing is mental. Like I've been 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:04.800 doing this for a while now, so like you know, Sick, 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:06.920 you know, Philip France is out there, because. 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:09.360 Like Ricky you line, those are the big names. 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:11.920 And so I've watched some players for the last ten 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:14.320 years or so kind of make that just that move 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:18.040 from junior to college to amateur to professional golf, and 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:20.280 I just think, hey, there's a lot of luck you're 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:24.840 not getting injured. I think injuries are huge, and especially 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:26.520 risk injuries can be. 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:27.520 Very tough to come back from. 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:29.839 Back injuries are obviously very hard to come back from, 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:31.679 so saying healthy is a big one. I think the 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:35.720 mental thing of just you know, I mean Georgian speed 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:39.400 obviously the amazing talent, and so much of that is mental, 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:42.280 and it's just it's handling the pressure, handling expectations, but 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:45.360 also just you only get so many opportunities when you 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:47.520 turn pro and you just have to make the most 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:49.400 of them and play well at the right time, and 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:52.360 a lot of that's mental. And you know, if you 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:54.959 get your seven sponsor invites, you don't play well in 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:57.080 any of them, then you're going to huge school, You're 0:10:57.120 --> 0:10:58.719 going to the web, and you know you can be 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:01.160 out there for a couple of year possibly and all 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:02.920 of a sudden, that just makes things hard. So I 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:05.800 think just so much of it is mental and just 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:08.840 handling that because there's so many good players physically obviously. 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:11.000 Yeah, I think that's a great point. 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:13.800 I mean, you've got a guy like especially now the 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:18.199 talent pool is is greater than ever, and you've got 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:23.000 guys like you know, Jordan Niebrugie, who you know, all American, 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:28.040 won the US PUBLNX top ten at the top ten. 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:30.920 In a major, and he didn't get through first stage 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:31.640 of Q School. 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:35.480 I mean, it's it's crazy that that guy, you know, 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:38.920 doesn't have status anywhere after you know, he finished in 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:43.400 the top ten and the Open Championship. And you know, 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:46.840 you've got other guys like Charlie Danielson who didn't get 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:49.679 his card, Robbie Shelton, who's who's not playing on the 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:52.600 web dot com. And you've got all these all these 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:56.360 guys and you know, Frankly, the tour is you know, 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:59.080 one of the hardest to crack because you know, there's 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:02.840 only fifty spots every year that are up for grabs, 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:05.680 and half of them go back to PGA tour players. 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:09.640 Yeah, I think, And there's just so many. I mean, 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:12.439 you've always got your elite players, but there's just so 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:16.200 many guys that there's just too many guys that are 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:18.320 good enough to be on the tour than there are spots. 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:23.079 You have, I mean, numbers one hundred to one thousand 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:24.760 in the world or maybe five hundred, I don't know, 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:28.640 are fairly comparable and especially on good weeks, can contend 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:31.360 in events, and so you just I mean, it's not 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:33.600 that they're interchangeable faces, but you just have so many 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:34.360 players who are. 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:39.600 Capable and just so few spots that some guys obviously 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:40.319 are going to miss out. 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:42.199 And I think too, it's hard when you're a young 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:44.160 guy and you miss a Q school, especially if you 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:46.520 do it a second year, third year, that pressure just 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:48.400 starts to mount so high because all of a sudden, 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:51.760 you're you know, you're twenty five. You look at Wes Bryant, 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:55.280 he missed Q schools first four times, you know, good 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:59.400 player was twenty six no status, had never played a 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:01.640 PGA Tour or a web event in his first four 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:02.280 years as a pro. 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:07.360 Obviously had the ability. Hasn't taken them long to show that, but. 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:12.679 It's just it's I think h school especially, it's just 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:15.640 so hard when you start missing at that just because 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:17.520 it can weigh on you, and it can it can 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:18.599 be such so hard to deal with. 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:20.640 Yeah, I think. 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:23.920 I mean, Wes Bryan is an interesting story. I mean, 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:28.000 I've I've heard that he started using this putting tool, 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:31.320 but he went from you know, being a really good. 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:33.760 Putter to one of the best putters in the world. 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:35.199 And it just shows you. 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:38.439 I think, you know, you have to have something that 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:41.520 you're really, really really good at to be out there. 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:43.760 I think you know that there's a lot of guys 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:46.199 that are are really good at everything, but you have 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:49.120 to have kind of almost a defining skill or just 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:53.800 be extremely good at everything. I think, like Kevin Kissner 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:56.040 is a guy that pops into my head that he's 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:58.319 a guy that's just like all around really good. I 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:01.560 don't know what I would say, he's you know, great 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:05.640 at but he's above average and everything versus you know, 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:09.400 guys like you know where you've got your bombers that 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:12.760 you know are hit it long and they overpower golf courses. 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:15.120 And then you've got guys like Wes Bryant who putt 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:16.160 putt great. 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:19.000 It's it's it's really an interesting thing when you look 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:23.160 at guys making it young versus the guy that makes 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:23.840 it at thirty. 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:28.160 Yeah, And I think it's versatility because just you're playing 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:31.280 on different grasses and you've got to be able to 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:34.760 hang in there on days that are windy. You've you know, 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:37.760 you're playing different courses, different types of courses. I think 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:39.560 the big thing too, and I think where some players 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:42.360 maybe had better success in amateur golf than pro golf, 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:44.360 I think it's that versatility. You know, the big amateur 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:46.920 eventure all the summer for the most part, the weather's 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:49.000 pretty good, you know. 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:51.880 If you're in college. I mean some college teams. 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:54.000 Travel nationally, but as budgets have kind of gotten smaller, 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:56.160 they say more locally, and so if you're a California 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:58.640 a cave, you'll compete mostly in California. But I think 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:02.120 the biggest thing too, is just versus utility, being able 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:03.640 to work your ball, which can kind of be kind 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:05.600 of a lost art nowadays very much wants to kill 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:09.320 it in it. I think that's really the big thing too, 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:11.840 because you're traveling, you're playing at different times. You got 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:14.120 to get up early somedays and played super early and 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:16.400 have that four am wake up call for a six 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:19.520 thirty t time in the summer. You've got to be 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:22.960 able to play on Bermuda because you know, and events 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:25.120 or so in the Southeast, and you've got to be 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:27.200 able to just deal with different conditions, whether it's rain 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:29.240 or wind, because you can't just especially if you're a 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:32.520 rookie with limited stars, you can't just you know, I 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:35.400 fucking the win is wind. You'd say this rounds a 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:36.920 loss for me. You've got to be able to grind 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:38.880 it out. So I definitely think also, I think just 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:42.600 versatility is huge for playing professional golf versus playing amateur 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:43.320 in college golf. 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:48.040 Yeah, it's especially as a rookie you get they get 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:50.600 so few chances. You know, you look at what's happened 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:53.200 with the Fall series, as you know a lot of 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:55.800 veterans have seeing how how many points are. 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:58.680 Available, and you see not a lot of stars are there. 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:00.880 So it's a it's a great chance for them to 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:04.640 get an early jump on the on the FedEx Cup points. 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:06.760 And you know, some of these kids, like you know, 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:09.400 I know, like guy like Max Homa, who you know 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:12.000 got his card, but you know, low on priority, like 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:14.760 you know, you might not get you might be making 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:17.800 your like third start of the year PGA Tour career 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:20.920 at Pebble Beach. You know, it's just there aren't a 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:24.400 lot of starts out there for these rookies, so they 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:26.400 got to play well when they get the chance. 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:27.960 Yeah. 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.240 One of the biggest things that I remember Dustin Johnson's 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:31.760 college coach ever said to me was one of the 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:33.960 biggest things he did in his career was he finished 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:38.120 I think like tenth at Sony and seventh somewhere else 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:39.600 pretty quick after that. And so it was right at 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:41.200 the top of the reshuffle. And that was back when 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:43.320 Sony was the first fool field the end of the year. 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:45.560 But I mean just set himself up right away and 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:48.080 now he played the full year and that just made 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:48.800 life so much. 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:49.800 Easier for that rookie year. 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:52.880 So again, playing well at the right time, I do think, 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:55.640 you know, I think Doug Ferguson, the AP writer has 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:57.680 been around for a really long time, is really smart, 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:00.160 and I think he did say no one who is 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:03.640 good enough has never actually made it. 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:08.119 You know, there's it is hard to do. 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:11.879 There's a lot of challenges, but I think the cream 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:14.720 does rise eventually and for whatever reason, and sometimes it's 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:17.600 not even visibly evident because two guys look the same, 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:22.119 you know, with everything the same skill wise, but some 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:24.840 guys are better and I think eventually they just they do, 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:27.240 the cream rises and they kind of separate themselves from 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:27.639 the others. 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:35.240 So, you know, with with cover and golf, what you know, 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:37.600 kind of under the radar or young guy maybe a 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:40.680 rookie or maybe he's not even at the tour level yet, 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:43.840 are you kind of most excited to see make it 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:46.600 and and think could be a big time star. 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:50.959 I'm excited to see what Aaron Wise does. The kid 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:55.200 won NCBLA is last year at Oregon. Just kind of 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:57.119 a kid who grew up as from all accounts, a 0:17:57.160 --> 0:17:59.840 public horse kid, you know, just kind of made it 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:02.080 his own, didn't play a ton of a j g A. 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:04.440 But you know, Casey Martin saw him and was big 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:07.520 on him, and I'm excited to see what he does. 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:09.920 He's gotten off to a pretty good start and played 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:11.399 pretty well in his PGA Tour events. 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:13.800 He's gonna have to go the web. We're out this year. 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:18.120 I think played pretty well to start the year out there. 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:22.080 But I think by all accounts he's a pretty promising player. 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:24.240 Did really well in PJ tur Canada last years. I 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:27.040 think the Wise is the one. I'm excited to see 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:29.399 what Curtis luck does it. Augusta, the kid that won 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:32.000 the US Amateur and the Age of Pacific, I played 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:34.440 pretty well ins in pro events that he's gotten the 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:36.840 starts from after winning the Amateur, and I think he's 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:39.480 too one. He's gonna turn pro after the Masters, so 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:41.159 I think he could have the chance to just be 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:42.280 a fun one to watch. 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:48.399 Yeah, I think Wise is star in the making. You 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:50.840 know that golf swing is beautiful. And then you look 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:53.600