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Speaker 3: Friday Egg, the dreaded Friday Egg, Friday Frida Bride Egg.

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Speaker 1: Lie, I'm about ready to run off of the.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to another episode of the Friday Egg Podcast.

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Speaker 4: Today we have a guest from the PGA Tour, Sean Martin,

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Speaker 4: who is a special events editor. You will see a

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Speaker 4: lot of his writing on PGA tour dot com. Comes

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Speaker 4: up with a lot of really interesting stories and before

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Speaker 4: that worked at Golf Week, so a longtime golf scribe.

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Speaker 2: Sean, thanks for coming on.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. I hope I can represent the

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Speaker 3: Shield well and hopefully make us look good on the pod.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean compared to me, it's not very hard, so

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Speaker 4: you don't have much competition. I'd love to hear a

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Speaker 1: Sure, I don't want to go.

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Speaker 3: Too far back, but my dad was in the publishing industry,

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Speaker 3: which meant we had three books, so we read a time.

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Speaker 3: My parents read a time, and actually I lived in Conneticuid,

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Speaker 3: goofy but just in the offices. But the kids that

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Speaker 3: I think it was like one hundred bucks for the summer.

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Speaker 3: You got three I think for three months of group lessons. Actually,

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Speaker 3: And so yeah, kind of the love of reading, love

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Speaker 2: That's cool. So did you get your start out of

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Speaker 3: I worked for like six months Apiece at two one

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Speaker 3: I was living at home, I had no benefits, and

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Speaker 3: Coverags that you pro to you that kind of stuff,

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Speaker 3: but otherwise, you know, people don't really care that you're there,

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Speaker 3: and so that for a lot of guys, that's just

441
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Speaker 3: so jarring that it's hard to overcome that because they

442
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Speaker 3: feed off that kind of, you know, big fish stature.

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Speaker 3: So I thought that was really interesting too, And I

444
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Speaker 3: think the same thing applies to golf definitely, because guys

445
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Speaker 3: on the PGA Tour don't care what you did in

446
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Speaker 3: amateur golf.

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Speaker 1: Because they probably did the exact same thing ten years

448
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Speaker 1: ago or even better. So that's a hard part too

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Speaker 1: of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh. I think we're also entering this era

451
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Speaker 2: of parody in golf.

452
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Speaker 4: Everybody wants to drive home this elite storyline and who's

453
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Speaker 4: the big four or five whatever it is. But the

454
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Speaker 4: reality is is that like one through thirty one through

455
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Speaker 4: forty on the PGA Tour at this point is is

456
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Speaker 4: pretty indistinguishable. And I don't think, you know, I think

457
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Speaker 4: that's the thing that I keep going back to when

458
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Speaker 4: I think about the tour as how you know, if

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Speaker 4: I told you, you know, if I listed off thirty

460
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Speaker 4: names you know of you know, the top forty guys,

461
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Speaker 4: I don't think you'd be surprised if they won a major,

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Speaker 4: Like you know, I mean, what do you think about

463
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Speaker 4: a big picture?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 4: With all this young talent, the direction of the tour

466
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Speaker 4: is going like what's going to be a good season

467
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Speaker 4: in fifteen years?

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Speaker 2: Like two wins?

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Speaker 3: I think, I mean Justin's won three times this year,

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Speaker 3: and I think that you know, when Justin won the

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Speaker 3: third time, it's sony.

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Speaker 1: Shane Bacon tweeted out something like, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 3: It's going into the final round with a large lead,

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Speaker 3: And Shane tweeted like, it's crazy to think PJ Tour

476
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Speaker 3: player the leader is already even locked up almost in January,

477
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Speaker 3: if people hopped all over him.

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Speaker 1: If you don't know what's going.

479
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Speaker 3: To happen, there's majors we've played at YadA, YadA, and

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Speaker 3: it's definitely true. Justin's gonna have to do probably more

481
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Speaker 3: to win PJ Tour Player of the Year because if

482
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Speaker 3: a guy wins once in a major, they'll probably favor

483
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Speaker 3: the guy with a major if Justin doesn't win one himself.

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Speaker 3: But three wins is three wins is a great season.

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Speaker 3: Jason Day had three wins last year, Rory won twice.

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Speaker 3: You know, Jordan WANs, I think a multi win season

487
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Speaker 3: is a great year, especially if it's you know, Dustin

488
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Speaker 3: Johnson Player the Year last year three wins. Now, granted

489
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Speaker 3: it was a WGC, a major, and a Beatest Cup

490
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Speaker 3: playoffs event, but three wins is three wins, and I

491
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Speaker 3: think three wins is a great year. Anything beyond that

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Speaker 3: is really special. So I mean, and I think Jordan's

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Speaker 3: Speed has said it, twenty fifteen is going to be

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Speaker 3: looked back at as like a historically significant year, like

495
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Speaker 3: that might be the best year of his career, which

496
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Speaker 3: is crazy to think about being what I think he

497
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Speaker 3: was twenty one at the time, and that's not a

498
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Speaker 3: knock on game. But five wins a major, the FedEx Cup,

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's.

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Speaker 1: That's tough to be.

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Speaker 3: That's gonna be one of the best theaters in a

502
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Speaker 3: long time, and people wanted him to repeat all of

503
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Speaker 3: a sudden. So I'm definitely with you. I think there

504
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Speaker 3: are just you know, there's only so many slots. Only

505
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Speaker 3: one guy wins every week. Only ten guys are you know,

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Speaker 3: some ties finish in the top ten, and there's just

507
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Speaker 3: so many guys capable of filling those spots. I think again,

508
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Speaker 3: kind of like what I said, like numbers one hundred

509
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Speaker 3: to five hundred in the world ranking are pretty interchangeable,

510
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Speaker 3: and they're just really separated by one or two good

511
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Speaker 3: weeks and some weeks only one or two you know,

512
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Speaker 3: good shots. And so I think it's cool to see

513
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Speaker 3: that we have five or six players who right now

514
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Speaker 3: have kind of separated themselves in the world ranking, and

515
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Speaker 3: they're playing really well because people do want that star power.

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Speaker 3: But once you get beyond the top ten, I'd say,

517
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's pretty interchangeable. Guys are are pretty similar

518
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Speaker 3: and really just separated by a couple of good shots

519
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Speaker 3: here and there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's I mean, I'm looking at the world rankings

521
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Speaker 4: right now and it's like if I told you that

522
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Speaker 4: Matt Fitzpatrick one was going to win a major this year,

523
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Speaker 4: you wouldn't be surprised, you know. But I feel like,

524
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Speaker 4: you know, twenty years ago, if I told you whoever

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Speaker 4: the thirtieth ranc player in the world was was going

526
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Speaker 4: to win a Major, you'd be like, Oh, that's pretty

527
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Speaker 4: surprising as a you know, and I think that's everybody's

528
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Speaker 4: you know, looking at Major's one. But like the depth

529
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Speaker 4: of talent in the you know, Nicholas Palmer player era

530
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Speaker 4: was nowhere near what it is now. And I think

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Speaker 4: when you look at careers and evaluating careers post Tiger,

532
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Speaker 4: you know, we everybody needs the lower expectations because the

533
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Speaker 4: money influx into the game has led to a lot

534
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Speaker 4: more talent in the game, a lot more talent and

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Speaker 4: a lot.

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Speaker 1: More knowledge about your games.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you have kids now that a kid, a

538
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Speaker 3: high school kid nowadays, could be on track man from

539
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Speaker 3: you know, fourteen on, and he could, you know, depending

540
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Speaker 3: on his parents' financial situation and level of convent, he

541
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Speaker 3: could have a biomechanical specialist working with him. You could

542
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Speaker 3: have you know, you'd be on a TPI. I think

543
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Speaker 3: just with more money. And Kyle Porter wrote this really well,

544
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Speaker 3: but anytime an industry has an influx of money. There's

545
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Speaker 3: can be an influx of investment in that industry to

546
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Speaker 3: try to earn more of that money. And so you

547
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Speaker 3: have you know, tour players have such a deeper knowledge

548
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 3: of their game from nutrition. You know, you look at

549
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Speaker 3: course management stuff, whether it's you know, Mark Brody or

550
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Speaker 3: Scott Fawcett. You know, guys can get even course management

551
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Speaker 3: dialed in. Whereas before, you know, a good golfer might

552
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Speaker 3: know some stuff innately about course management that would separate

553
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Speaker 3: him from from separate him from a guy who maybe

554
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Speaker 3: wasn't as smart. But now you can use analytics too.

555
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Speaker 3: If you don't fire not a good course management guy yourself,

556
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Speaker 3: you can hire a guy who can make you into

557
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Speaker 3: a good course manager. There's just all that more knowledge

558
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Speaker 3: out there, and a lot of times that knowledge is

559
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Speaker 3: innate with the best players, but now you can kind

560
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Speaker 3: of attribute it and give it to players who aren't

561
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Speaker 3: as good, just through technology. And I think Jack Nicholas

562
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Speaker 3: had a great quote. He said, like they do exit

563
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Speaker 3: exhibitions to you know, make money on the side, because

564
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Speaker 3: the money was not great. And he said, I would

565
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Speaker 3: go to a course and you know, one time out

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Speaker 3: of ten the.

567
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Speaker 1: Club pro would beat me. Or I think he said

568
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Speaker 1: he was even more than that.

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Speaker 3: Even like half the time, the club ro might beat

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Speaker 3: me if I had a bad day and the club

571
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Speaker 3: row had a good day.

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Speaker 1: That's not happening.

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Speaker 3: Nowadays, you take Jason Day out to a club, you

574
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Speaker 3: can take him out to the guy who want one

575
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Speaker 3: the Club Pro National Championships this year, that guy's not

576
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Speaker 3: touching Jason Daye. That guy's five shots at least behind him.

577
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Speaker 2: I disagree. I think I think.

578
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Speaker 4: If Day doesn't play his best, that guy that I mean,

579
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Speaker 4: the guy that won the Club Pro Championship, that guy's

580
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Speaker 4: a stick and probably was a guy that just didn't

581
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Speaker 4: have the breaks go right when he tried to play

582
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Speaker 4: pro golf. I mean like that guy is a is

583
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Speaker 4: probably a web dot com level player. You know, a

584
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Speaker 4: guy that went is the Club Pro Championship. I mean,

585
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Speaker 4: if it's just the random local pro, I would agree,

586
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Speaker 4: But you know that that Club Pro Championship is is No,

587
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Speaker 4: I mean it's not. It's not a PGA Tour event,

588
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 4: but those guys are are sticks, you know.

589
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Speaker 3: No, that might have been overstated. Maybe five trokes, that's

590
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Speaker 3: twenty strokes tournament.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot.

592
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Speaker 3: I did pull up the guy who went to laste

593
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Speaker 3: with Rich Barbarian. I interviewed him at Chambers of that

594
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Speaker 3: US Open. Actually for a story, I always like to

595
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Speaker 3: do the story on just the random guys who qualifying,

596
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Speaker 3: what that week is like. He's played four two events

597
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Speaker 3: this season based on the exemption he got for winning

598
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Speaker 3: winning the club.

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Speaker 1: He's missed three cuts.

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Speaker 3: Now granted, one was the US Open, one was the

601
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Speaker 3: PGA T sixty six of pel Beach.

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Speaker 1: And missed the cut of Genesis.

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Speaker 3: So five shots might have been a little much. I'll

604
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Speaker 3: accept that, but at this point being just the point

605
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Speaker 3: of the quote is that the gap between you know,

606
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Speaker 3: your club pro to your top level player is much

607
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Speaker 3: larger than it was Jack's day.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I definitely agree with that.

609
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Speaker 4: It's the best players in the world are just unbelievably talented.

610
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Speaker 4: I mean, anybody that even as has status on web

611
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Speaker 4: dot Com is unbelievably talented.

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Speaker 2: How close do you.

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Speaker 4: Think the web dot Com Tour is to the European Tour,

614
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Speaker 4: you know, outside of their big stars. I I think

615
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Speaker 4: about this a lot. Is like, you know, how close

616
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Speaker 4: is the web dot Com Tour to being the second

617
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Speaker 4: best tour on in in the world.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna get me, get me in trouble here. We've

619
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Speaker 3: already been down this road. I think what two and

620
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Speaker 3: eight or so, I think, I don't I don't know

621
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Speaker 3: about that one. I think that I mean the probably

622
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Speaker 3: that when you say European Tour, there's a wide disparity

623
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Speaker 3: in you know, you're talking Abu Dhabi, Are you talking

624
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Speaker 3: the Madeira Islands open. I think the web is strong.

625
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 3: It's full of guys who have played on the PGA Tour,

626
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 3: who have won on the PGA Tour. But I think,

627
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 3: I mean, even just a little bit out of respect

628
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 3: to the European Tour, I think I would still give

629
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Speaker 3: it that number two spot because there are still guys.

630
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Speaker 3: I mean, Peral Hatton plays almost all of his golf

631
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Speaker 3: on the European Tour. He'll come to Florida for the

632
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 3: next couple of months and play in the US between

633
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 3: Honda and players. But you know, Cheral Haddon, your Met

634
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 3: fitzpatricks is, those guys, Thomas Peters, they still play mostly

635
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 3: in Europe. They'll come to the US at the right season,

636
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Speaker 3: at the time when there's WGCs and majors and stuff.

637
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 3: But I do think the European Tour. I would still

638
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 3: give it the number two slot just because it is.

639
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 3: It's a I mean, I don't know, it's the European Tour.

640
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: I think it is true. That's not a knock on

641
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: the Web. I think that's just the fact of the matter.

642
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Speaker 3: There are still some European and I think you're seeing

643
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 3: little bit more European players staying there instead of moving

644
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 3: to Orlando. So I think the Web is strong. It's

645
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 3: definitely is strong. But the European Tour I think is

646
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 3: still the European Tour.

647
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: And deserves some Yeah.

648
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Speaker 4: I didn't mean in terms of like the stars. I'm

649
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 4: talking more of your seventy five to one twenty five guys, right,

650
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Speaker 4: and I.

651
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Speaker 1: Think those are I would say that's pretty comparable.

652
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: Definitely, Yeah, it's I think it's close across the board too.

653
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Speaker 4: I think, you know, is what's webs one through fifty

654
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Speaker 4: versus the tours one twenty five through Era one. You know,

655
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Speaker 4: let's say seventy five through one twenty five.

656
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's one of the great debates.

657
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Speaker 3: I think that was actually one of the things they

658
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Speaker 3: thought would be cool about the web dot Com Tour finals,

659
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 3: is you throw those guys in the mix against each other,

660
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 3: and I would love I'm not torn to do it,

661
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 3: but I would love like Mark Rody to.

662
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: Take those numbers. And you know, you've got.

663
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 3: Three years now, I think of history there four years,

664
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 3: and so you can use that in a way, I

665
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 3: think to kind of answer that question or at least

666
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 3: see what's the difference is. I think now that was

667
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 3: one of the fun parts of the Web dot Com

668
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 3: Tour Finals because you could do that.

669
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: MM.

670
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 4: So with you getting to cover golf for a long time,

671
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 4: and what are some of your favorite courses that the

672
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 4: tour goes to every year? You know, for whatever reasons,

673
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 4: if it's you know, the leader boards or you know

674
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 4: what have you kind of noticed with courses and the

675
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 4: U and the leader boards that come from them.

676
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I love Riviera. I mean obviously just

677
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 3: played there, but I think it's just so it's such

678
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 3: a classic place and it's such an easy there's a

679
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 3: lot of courses that are tough walks. Just there's these big, open,

680
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 3: modern courses through housing development, Riviera is awesome and just

681
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 3: that you can it's just all right there in that

682
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 3: canyon and it's such a cool little walk it's a

683
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 3: classic place and it does produce a good leaderboard. I

684
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 3: think for that reason, it's the shop Makers course. I'm

685
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 3: always partial to the ocean, so I haven't actually covered

686
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 3: Pebble but I love I think Moneray is my favorite

687
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 3: place in the world, and let on our honeymoon there,

688
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 3: so we've got to say a pebble beach.

689
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: Just because I'm not gonna.

690
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 3: Get into the whole Saturday thing again, I think I'll

691
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 3: leave that to tront except Trona as a follow up

692
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 3: to kind of cleaned up my mess and tie in

693
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 3: by loose ends. But pedal on Sunday, I think just

694
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 3: with those views is is always awesome. I think it's

695
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 3: just I think the nice thing that's been being able

696
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 3: to go to courses. I think when you're actually able

697
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 3: to walk a course and see how it flows and

698
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 3: just kind of put everything in context of where everything is.

699
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: It's so different than television.

700
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 3: It you know, TV, it's almost like eighteen separate.

701
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: Corridors that have no relation to each other.

702
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 3: It's like almost like eighteen different studios or sound stages

703
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 3: where action happens. It's hard to tie them all together.

704
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 3: I was thinking about that we were at Sawgraph the

705
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 3: other day, just playing the golf course and there's no

706
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 3: one around, and like you just forget that it's just

707
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 3: a golf course versus like a place we have tournaments.

708
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 3: But I think that's always been the coolest part. I'm

709
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 3: trying to go down the schedule and give you some

710
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 3: good ones. I think Vaalaspar obviously is very popular for

711
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 3: good reasons. The course where they have the match play,

712
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 3: Austin Country Club. Those holes on the water are really fun.

713
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 3: People are on their boats watching the action. They're cool

714
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,719
Speaker 3: fun holes. You gotta drive a Part four or reach

715
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 3: told part five, and there's so much elevation chain of

716
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 3: the front nine there. I'm not just saying it's some

717
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 3: partial but TPD Patgrass is really cool for a lot

718
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 3: of reasons. The more I play it and the more

719
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 3: I know about it read about it, the more I

720
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 3: can't respect that place. Jack's Place in Columbus is great,

721
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 3: but I think those would really top the list fast

722
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:25,239
Speaker 3: places I've been.

723
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 4: Definitely, Yeah, it's I think obviously riv and Pebble are

724
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 4: in their own stratosphere and everything I've heard about Monterey Peninsula,

725
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 4: but I feel like, you know, the.

726
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: Copper Head course.

727
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 4: I think there's it's interesting how the tour has gotten

728
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 4: in the golf courses because you know, there's this adage

729
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 4: that length is what they need to make things tougher.

730
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 2: I almost disagree with it.

731
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 4: I think with the what happened with a lot of

732
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 4: these modern courses that were built for tour events is

733
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 4: that they promote robot golf, where you know, it's hit

734
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 4: it far and hit it in the fairway and hit

735
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 4: it close, versus a place like Riviera, where it's more

736
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 4: about you know, I don't think this year was a

737
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 4: great representation because of how soft it was, but it's

738
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 4: more about being hitting it on a particular side of

739
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 4: a fairway on a given day to access a certain

740
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 4: pin because of the way the course is built, and

741
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 4: just a little bit more strategic then say a course

742
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 4: like I just played Golf Club of Houston. I mean,

743
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 4: Golf Club of Houston, hit it down this fairway, hit

744
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 4: it close to the pin, and that's the name of

745
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 4: the game. Versus you play Riviera. It's hit it down

746
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 4: the right side of the fairway so I can get

747
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 4: to this back left pin. But then the next day

748
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 4: it's hit it down the left side of the fairway

749
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 4: so I can get to this front right pin.

750
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 2: And I think that's that's the kind of trend the

751
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 2: tour needs to go to get a little bit more

752
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 2: diversity on the leader board.

753
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 4: And I think that's what we've seen this year, is

754
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 4: that a lot of these places lack the strategic factor

755
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 4: and if it's about just hitting it far and straight,

756
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 4: these young guys are gonna are gonna win a lot

757
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 4: because that's what they've been trained to do and since

758
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 4: you know, with the track man era and technology, No, definitely, I.

759
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: Think part of it too.

760
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 3: I think a lot of the classic older clubs don't

761
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 3: want to host a tour event.

762
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: There's so much that it's involved with doing it.

763
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 3: Opening a golf course for a week, you know, changing

764
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 3: the agronomy of the golf course, getting it set up

765
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 3: for a tour event, and then also just the room.

766
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 3: It's not the same as a major, but you need

767
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 3: the room for hospitality and all other stuff. You have

768
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 3: to be okay with forty thousand people trouncing your golf

769
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 3: course for a week and having it be closed for

770
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 3: a week before that, And so I think that's part

771
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 3: of the challenge. You know, you look at I mean,

772
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 3: I've the more I've played golf courses in different places,

773
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 3: the more you realize, like a lot of these great,

774
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 3: great golf courses are something you've never heard of because

775
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 3: they don't want to be heard of because they they

776
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 3: like to lay low. Like we were on Sea Island

777
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 3: and we're going to Frederica for a shoot, and like

778
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 3: the opening to Frederica is like literally, if you're if

779
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 3: you don't know where you're going, you're never gonna find it,

780
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 3: just because it's like this little opening in the bushes.

781
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 3: And then finally the guard tower is like one hundred

782
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 3: yards back in the in the trees, and you know,

783
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 3: you look at Seminole. You know, Seminol love the Pro

784
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 3: member of the Pro snout that they love. It's an

785
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 3: amazing golf course. But you know, Seminol would have no

786
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 3: interest in uh in hosting a tour event. So that's

787
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 3: part of the challenge. But I definitely agree with you

788
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 3: that I think with the technology, especially that you know,

789
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 3: at the same time, I think strategy, even on the

790
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 3: best design course gets taken out a little bit when

791
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 3: guys can hit an eight iron from the rough, you know,

792
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 3: way up in the air, stop it and so in

793
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,720
Speaker 3: a sense, you have a pain tugged over a bunker

794
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 3: and it almost doesn't matter, you know, you miss it

795
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 3: on the wrong side of the fairway.

796
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: Guys can just recover by hitting a moonshot eight on.

797
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 3: It's gonna stop when it hits the green, and so

798
00:36:58,640 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 3: I think that's part of it too. It's just that

799
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 3: technology has taken the strategy out of a lot of

800
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 3: even great golf courses, and I think too just you know,

801
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 3: maybe getting them firmer and faster.

802
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: As the answer.

803
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 3: Obviously, whether sometimes it is different, but I definitely think

804
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 3: firm and fast.

805
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: Brings strategy into it as well.

806
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 3: Until any time you can get that going. I don't

807
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 3: know how much control or how much the tour has

808
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 3: a saying that, you know, I don't know if people

809
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 3: want fifteen under winning. I always kind of like eight

810
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,439
Speaker 3: to ten. But you know, maybe getting golf courses firmer

811
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 3: and faster would do the trick a little bit.

812
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think firm and fast golf is the ultimate defense,

813
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 4: you know, with these guys. If it's soft, it's just

814
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 4: going to be a birdie fest. But you know, if

815
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 4: it rains and then it completely changes the dynamic of

816
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 4: the golf course. You look at a lot of guys,

817
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 4: like you know, they feast on you know, soft golf courses.

818
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 4: You can look at their career and most of their

819
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 4: wins come when there's a lot of rain. And then

820
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 4: you look at, you know, when courses play firm and fast,

821
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 4: and it's a completely different leader board. So I think,

822
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 4: you know, that's something that obviously can help, but it's

823
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 4: it's very hard to do because of weather. So you

824
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 4: mentioned the sagrass, what do you think about the renovations

825
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 4: and you know, for the upcoming tournament in twenty seventeen,

826
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 4: there's a lot of cool minor renovations.

827
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously twelve it's gonna be the big story,

828
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 3: and twelve is an interesting hole. It's im I honestly

829
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 3: have no idea how it's going to play. Part of

830
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 3: me could see guys kind of tearing it up and

831
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 3: it becoming.

832
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: Almost too easy.

833
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 3: Part of me could see it being too difficult and

834
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 3: it might need to be softened with some spots. A

835
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 3: lot of obviously it's going to do with kind of

836
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 3: the firmness of it. But twelves can be very interesting

837
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 3: to watch and get a lot of focus.

838
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: But even like a lot of the holes that border

839
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: kind of that pine straw area.

840
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 3: I mean they've taken almost all the rough out. There's

841
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 3: a little maybe ten foot five foot water strip of roughs,

842
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 3: and now key shots can bound into the pine straw,

843
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 3: so you'll.

844
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: Have more guys getting out of pine straw.

845
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 3: On like eleven, the par five and some other places

846
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 3: they've taken out ross and put in just shade theirries partly,

847
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 3: Like Sover eleven, for example, there's water behind the green,

848
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 3: and the hope is that now that rough has gone,

849
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 3: if it's firm and a guy you know, hits towards

850
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 3: the left side, away from the bunker, away from the water,

851
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 3: that that ball can bound through into the back water

852
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 3: and make you think more on the second shot at

853
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 3: that hole. It's a lot of cool subtleties that I

854
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 3: think hopefully are translated well on television and explained well,

855
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 3: as well as obviously be the big one. I think

856
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 3: six and seven are two really cool holes that they

857
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 3: took out a huge earth kind of hill.

858
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: It was like a dirt mound between them, and now

859
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: they've made one large lake.

860
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 3: And if you didn't know what to look like before,

861
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 3: you wouldn't know how cool it looks now, it looks

862
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 3: really cool. There are two kind of holes that don't

863
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 3: get a lot of atension, But I think the idea

864
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 3: was that hopefully that change would get some more attentions

865
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 3: for them. But I mean the big hole sixteen seventeen

866
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 3: eighteen are pretty much the same, but just a lot

867
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 3: of cool, cool, subtle things that hopefully will add some

868
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 3: more excitement.

869
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's uh, you know, it might not be noticeable

870
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 4: on TV, but if it changes the way the guys

871
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,439
Speaker 4: play the hole, I mean that's that's a big, big change.

872
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 4: You know, these little changes can make big impacts on

873
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 4: the tournament and you know who wins.

874
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

875
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,240
Speaker 3: My dream scenario is eleven is one of those places

876
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 3: where they've got pin straw on the right and it's

877
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 3: took a rough out and I'm curious to see.

878
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: But I'm hoping that leads to.

879
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 3: Us seeing guys going for that green which has a

880
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 3: bunker running all down the right side of the of

881
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 3: the green and then water before that that I'm.

882
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: Hoping we're seeing guys trying to hit shot out of

883
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 1: the pines.

884
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,760
Speaker 3: Going for eleven into that kind of stuff. So hopefully

885
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 3: it produces those kinds of shots.

886
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's uh, you know, speaking of a course that

887
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 4: you know has kind of wall the wall fair Away

888
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 4: and Pine Stride, and I know both of us have

889
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 4: played blue Jack. I wanted to get your quick thoughts

890
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 4: on what you thought of Tiger Woods as an architect.

891
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 3: I just I mean, first and foremost, I just love

892
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 3: the whole I hate the word vibe, but I love

893
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 3: the whole vibe of the place. It's a very you know,

894
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 3: it's an expensive club to join. It's a it's a

895
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 3: very well healed membership. But you would have no idea

896
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 3: going there. You know, we played, We played in carts,

897
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 3: which wasn't my first preference, but you know, we played

898
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 3: with the kid literally played barefoot because he was just

899
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 3: he likes to play that way, just kind of hang out.

900
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 3: He we had we had a Bluetooth speaker. He was

901
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 3: playing music. I know people differ on that, but that

902
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 3: was really fine. The putty green there is probably what

903
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty yards long, and so me and

904
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 3: my buddy took some time hitting you know, well maybe

905
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty yards whatever, but hitting long putts

906
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 3: across it.

907
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: You know, good food.

908
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 3: Kind of it's just so they've got the target on

909
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 3: the drive range and can try to hit pun shot that.

910
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 3: I mean, just it's a it's a great club with

911
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 3: a great golf course, but they've got the little nine

912
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 3: hole pitch and put course too, Like we.

913
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: Played that after we played eighteen. Just that whole it's

914
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: so relaxed. One of the guys had his shirt on toped.

915
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 3: It wasn't a big deal, you know, it's just I mean,

916
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 3: even public courses I think can apply that to themselves.

917
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 3: They might not have the quality of golf course. Tigers

918
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 3: not gonna build one for them, But that was such

919
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 3: a it was so refreshing to just kind of come

920
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 3: and relax and you didn't have to worry.

921
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: Like, oh, I have my hat on? Should I take

922
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: it off? Can I reave it on?

923
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 3: Can we just change our shoes in the parking lot?

924
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 3: Or is that gonna get it kicked out? What if

925
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 3: I checked Twitter when I'm you know, in the third fairway?

926
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 3: That kind of it's just it was so nice and

927
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 3: relaxing that made it really fun. And then you've got

928
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 3: a golf course that kind of like you said, wal

929
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 3: the wall fairways, it's relaxing to play. It's you know,

930
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 3: you're not looking for balls. I was reading Alison McKenzie's

931
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 3: Spirit of thing they do right now. He said that

932
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 3: to get what it was basically railing on long graphs

933
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 3: and just how looking for lost balls just as one

934
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 3: of the worst parts of golf. And so the whole

935
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,439
Speaker 3: day I wish I could play it again and really

936
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 3: get the you know, a better field for the course.

937
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 3: But the whole day it was just fun, which is

938
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 3: what golf is supposed to be. And I think they

939
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 3: did a great job in doing that.

940
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a place that you just kind of want

941
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 4: to hang out at, which is you know what golf

942
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 4: needs more of, you know, place that you really want

943
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 4: to go, and whether it's just sit on the range

944
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 4: and hit balls at that target.

945
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 2: They have music playing at the range.

946
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 4: But then the golf course, I thought, you know, it's great,

947
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 4: you know you I don't think we spent any time

948
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 4: looking for golf balls.

949
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 2: And you know, I think he did what he did

950
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 2: was really interesting.

951
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 4: I think the more I thought about it, the more

952
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 4: bullish I am as on Tiger as a designer, just

953
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 4: be because I think about his playing career and you know,

954
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 4: the guy was the ultimate tactician. He knew exactly where

955
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 4: he wanted to hit the ball, and then he also

956
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 4: knew if I'm gonna miss, I need to miss it here.

957
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: And I think he can take that knowledge and apply

958
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 2: it to golf courses so well.

959
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 4: I felt like when I looked at the fairway, there

960
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 4: was a bunker right where I really wanted to hit

961
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 4: the ball every time, and you know there's only forty

962
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 4: bunkers on the golf course, and that you know it.

963
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 2: He did such a nice job with like the subtle.

964
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 4: Subtleties where you have these you know, you have uneven

965
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 4: lies in the fairway, which you know give the expert

966
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 4: player kind of fits. It makes you uncomfortable because you're

967
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 4: hitting you know, choked down wedges off of side hill

968
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 4: lives into you know, little pins. But you know, for

969
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 4: the average golfer, they're they're in the fairway, they just

970
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 4: feel like, you know, they they're doing great because they

971
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 4: have a shot at the green every hole. You know.

972
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think uneven lies and you don't see it

973
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 3: on TV because TV just flattens everything out. But I

974
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 3: think uneven lies are just such an awesome challenge. I

975
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 3: think I texted you after I played TV T but

976
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 3: like we played sixteen, the par five and there's water

977
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,439
Speaker 3: on the right, you've got the spectator mountains in the left,

978
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 3: but basically see that huge lake on the right and

979
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 3: all you and you've got to tree on the left side.

980
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 3: All you really want to do if you're going forward

981
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 3: to is hit a high cut, you know, start at

982
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 3: left and if it stays left, your state. But the

983
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 3: ball was above my feet and I'm like, I'm not

984
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 3: I'm not taking this three wood out to the right

985
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 3: and trusting it to draw back.

986
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: Like I just don't know the guts to do that.

987
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 3: So I tried to hit a cut off a ball

988
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 3: above my feet and of course the keel grabs and

989
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 3: it goes left them kind of over in the rock

990
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 3: with no shot because it's behind the bunker. And I mean,

991
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 3: I just chip on and make a simple five. But

992
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 3: like just you'll never see that on TV. But that's

993
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 3: such a cool thing. And then like you said, like

994
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 3: the ten handicapper, he's just pumps, he's in the fairway

995
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 3: and not look the first golf ball. And then of

996
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 3: course we have talk about like the fruit stands at

997
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 3: the that place at blue.

998
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: Jack is amazing. But another conversation.

999
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, the the whole conversations were quite spectacular.

1000
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 2: I mean the towels at the turn. I mean it's

1001
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 2: a cool spot.

1002
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 4: I might dive in and write about five thousand words

1003
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 4: on it this afternoon. So this could get get me

1004
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 4: warmed up for that. So if you, you know, changing

1005
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 4: kind of gears back, if you were a say a

1006
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 4: common fan, like what what are your five tour events

1007
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 4: that you would recommend or a couple of tour events.

1008
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 4: If I was going to travel to go see the

1009
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 4: tour somewhere, where would you say you should go here?

1010
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 4: I mean we're talking let's just say non major. I

1011
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 4: think that you know, the majors are so overly you know, filled,

1012
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 4: just let's say just regular tour events.

1013
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 3: Sure, I mean I definitely okay so that I say,

1014
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 3: got the one and open En Championship. But I mean

1015
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 3: I think, you know, playing to Hughes for being a shill,

1016
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 3: But I do think the players is really cool. It's

1017
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 3: just I mean the golf course was built for spectators. Uh,

1018
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 3: he's got the big mounds. It's designed in like these

1019
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 3: little kind of hubs, so you can basically see a

1020
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 3: bunch of holes that wants about walking a ton. If

1021
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 3: you're not someone who wants to walk five miles and

1022
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 3: nine need to be weather, I think that one's definitely

1023
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 3: up there. I think you definitely want to go to

1024
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 3: places that are kind of accepted locally and people turn out.

1025
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 3: You know, they've got a good large crowd. I think,

1026
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 3: you know Bay Hill. I think Orlando loves that tournament,

1027
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 3: and so it's fun that there's a lot of people

1028
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 3: out there. I think I love the match play at

1029
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 3: then often I'm just going down to schedule. I don't

1030
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 3: know my top five in front of me. But I

1031
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,280
Speaker 3: think match play is cool in that you can actually

1032
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 3: just watch two guys go head to head and they

1033
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 3: play pretty quick because they're.

1034
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: In a twosome, and.

1035
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 3: So I think watching watching match play, I think is

1036
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 3: always just kind of fun. I've only been to the

1037
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 3: Nelson min A Colonial with Dallas and Fort Work turnout

1038
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 3: definitely if you want to see some great architecture, which

1039
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 3: I'm sure some people listening to do. I think Greenbrier

1040
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 3: is a great one. Tough to get to, good luck

1041
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 3: with that, but Greenbrier and also Windham Over in Greenboro,

1042
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 3: I think that's another. And you're talking about golf, courses

1043
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 3: where kind of their strategy and bull style. Greenbrier and

1044
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:20,399
Speaker 3: Wyndham definitely are up there, and then I al would

1045
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 3: go to I was then going to the BMW for coverage,

1046
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 3: and I think just you know, it's not the same

1047
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 3: Western Open, but it's Chicago and the Western Golf.

1048
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: Association still runs it and so they just they.

1049
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 3: Love that advantage. It's really well done. But I'd say

1050
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 3: those are up there. I mean, it's hard for me.

1051
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 3: I'm more I'm just saying some people want to go

1052
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 3: to big, browdy events, so they got to take seen

1053
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 3: aches in Honda and Dallas. I'm That's not my scene

1054
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 3: per se. So I'm more of a maybe you know,

1055
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 3: like Tory Pines just to go and just hang out

1056
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 3: and watch or Riviera for that reason. I think are

1057
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 3: great ones to watch. But I mean, obviously you got

1058
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 3: to take Phoenix if you're looking for just Zanian.

1059
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 4: I think, you know, I think the New Orleans has

1060
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 4: a chance with this new format to be like an

1061
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 4: awesome because, like you talk about things to do outside

1062
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 4: of you know, watching golf, that place is you know,

1063
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 4: you've got great food, great nightlife. There's a cool little

1064
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 4: golf course that you could stay in stay down in

1065
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 4: the French Quarter and take the trolley out to It's

1066
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 4: I think, yeah.

1067
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 2: I I didn't even realize.

1068
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 4: I went there last fall with my fiance and a

1069
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 4: couple another couple, and we went just to walk an

1070
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 4: Audubon Park and somebody told me about it like a

1071
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 4: long time ago, and then all of a sudden, I

1072
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 4: just saw this golf course and I was looking at

1073
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 4: it and I was like, wow, it looks pretty decent.

1074
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 4: Then sure enough, like I'm looking in the Confidential Guy

1075
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 4: Doaks book and it's one of the gourmet choices.

1076
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 2: So it's a place if I'm.

1077
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 3: Not mistaken, isn't it kind of like Winter Bark. It's

1078
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 3: like really sure, it's like five thousand yards or something.

1079
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 3: But they just put a bunch of money in when

1080
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 3: we did it to kind of, yeah, like with Winter Park,

1081
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 3: to make it a fun little challenge.

1082
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 2: It's a par sixty two. It's got a cool story.

1083
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 2: It was actually the.

1084
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 4: It was built for the World Fair in like eighteen

1085
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 4: ninety or something back then. Yeah, and and it's been

1086
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,240
Speaker 4: around forever, but it, you know, it looks really interesting

1087
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 4: and cool.

1088
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 2: I mean, Winter Park is so so awesome. Those these

1089
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 2: types of places.

1090
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Speaker 4: Where are so important to I mean, you said it,

1091
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 4: and I grew up playing at a munique golf course,

1092
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 4: Like I mean, like you got to have places where

1093
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 4: these kids can play if you want, you know, the

1094
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 4: future of golf to be healthy. And then and the

1095
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 4: places need to be interesting, cool little places that you

1096
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 4: want to spend all day at.

1097
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 3: Definitely, And I mean I grew up. I mean the

1098
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 3: golfers I grew up at. It was five thousand yards long,

1099
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 3: but like like attracted such an audience or such a

1100
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 3: group of people, like I mean Chris Como, who teaches

1101
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 3: Tiger worked in the pro shop when I work in

1102
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 3: the carbarn. Chris Danbreen, who was playing on the Buy

1103
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 3: dot Com Tour now coaches USC one of the best

1104
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 3: teams in the country, was getting lessons there.

1105
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: I think.

1106
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 3: I mean that was our home course from my high

1107
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 3: school team. And I think three of us played golf

1108
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 3: in Division one and another kid could have but just

1109
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 3: had no interest, but he had offers. And I mean

1110
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 3: playing a five thousand junkie I mean it's not junkie,

1111
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 3: but five thousand yards golf course did obviously not a

1112
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 3: real test. And then I mean I played Winter Park

1113
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 3: a tome in Orlando. I mean I was working and

1114
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 3: traveling a lot, but I mean that was the place

1115
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,280
Speaker 3: I probably played the most out of all the courses

1116
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 3: in Orlando because if it was Saturday and you only

1117
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 3: had two hours to drive there, play and get back,

1118
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 3: like you go do it winter Park and kind of

1119
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 3: you know a couple players you can hit driver, but

1120
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 3: it's the most part of you don't. But it gets

1121
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 3: your taste of golf and at least you're out there

1122
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 3: hitting a ball and you know you're not going to

1123
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 3: the range and just kind of smacking balls. You're actually

1124
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 3: trying to score and stuff like that. So I'm all

1125
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 3: for little golf courses of any kind.

1126
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, I spent I just got to play a nine

1127
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 4: at Winter Park, but I want to go back and

1128
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,720
Speaker 4: like I want to play a couple of different loops

1129
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 4: of it and do like different things like where I

1130
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,439
Speaker 4: only I only play with like a seven iron or less,

1131
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:09,760
Speaker 4: just to see because then I think, all of a sudden,

1132
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 4: you have these longer shots in the and this renovation

1133
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 4: was great what they did around on and around the greens.

1134
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 4: It's like, all of a sudden, when you're having longer

1135
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 4: shots into these greens, they're going to be you know,

1136
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 4: it's not going to be you know, a pushover where

1137
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 4: you can drive half the par fours. I think that's Uh,

1138
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 4: people are always afraid to take clubs out of the bag.

1139
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 4: But you know, I think it's part of the USGA

1140
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 4: is doing where score is always the defining factor, it

1141
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 4: doesn't really matter. Like if you're looking to get better,

1142
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 4: you know, play different ways and put yourself in uncomfortable

1143
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 4: situations because usually when you're under the gun, those uncomfortable

1144
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 4: situations are what kind of do you in?

1145
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, or even just take out the even

1146
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 3: numbered irons or numbered irons in your bag so that

1147
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 3: you you know, have to create shots things like that

1148
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 3: or just those are I mean those are hard to

1149
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 3: do because I think anone's so score upset, but I

1150
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 3: think that definitely, especially trying to get better, I think

1151
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 3: those are and they're just fun. I mean I think, uh,

1152
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 3: you know, golf can get repetitive in a sense, and

1153
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 3: so if you've got to, you know, you take out

1154
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 3: the odd clause, you know, the seven irons, you gotta

1155
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 3: kind of craft a little fade six iron. That's always

1156
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,760
Speaker 3: one more fun than just lasting stock seven irons.

1157
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 4: So yeah, I agree, it's there's uh, it's it all

1158
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 4: goes back to why every round needs to be documented

1159
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 4: for your handicap. It is there's all kinds of issues

1160
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 4: in the game, but I see a lot of them

1161
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 4: stem from one organization. So the let's get into a

1162
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 4: few kind of Twitter questions we got here, So this

1163
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 4: one sounds like kind of an inside joke here, and

1164
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 4: I'd love to hear the backstory behind it. Ask him

1165
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 4: about the state of the game since last year's Dominate

1166
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:01,240
Speaker 4: at Uncle Remus.

1167
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: Sure.

1168
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 3: So, DJ Baiowski and myself, we've become pretty good friends

1169
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 3: with the Guthries, Zach and Luke. Luke obviously plays on

1170
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 3: web dot com, which we were playing.

1171
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: On the PJA Tour for a few years. Zach is

1172
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 1: his older brother.

1173
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 3: And his caddie, and it was the assistant coach at Illinois,

1174
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 3: which is where I first met him with assistant coach

1175
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,919
Speaker 3: Illinois when Zach or when Luke was there. Uh, they've

1176
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 3: moved down to Jacksonville, both of them, and we've just

1177
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 3: become pretty good friends over the years. And so I

1178
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 3: was in DJ and I were both in Zach's wedding

1179
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 3: in November and Luke got Mary in December. If they

1180
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 3: did a joint bachelor party to up to Lake of Coney,

1181
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 3: which is where Reynold's plantation is.

1182
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: Served.

1183
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 3: Bably, like ten of Us and Zak and Luke grew

1184
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 3: up at public golf courses in Quincy, Illinois, so they

1185
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 3: always loved kind of We played this place, Jacksonville Beach

1186
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 3: Golf Club, which is golf course which is literally like

1187
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 3: it cost fifteen dollars on weekends, but we take we'll

1188
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 3: play with them because they just it takes them back

1189
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 3: to their roots, I think. But so we did the

1190
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 3: vast Or party there and we played one round at

1191
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 3: a nice golf course on the lake that was a

1192
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,280
Speaker 3: little more expensive, and then we're like, we found this place.

1193
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:12,760
Speaker 3: Uncle Remus like in the Sticks, Uncle.

1194
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 1: Remus was like this.

1195
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 3: It sounded like basically it was one of those old

1196
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 3: cartoon characters. It's probably wouldn't be acceptable nowadays, but you're

1197
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,760
Speaker 3: in the Sticks of Georgia, and I think the author

1198
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 3: was from the town.

1199
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: And so there's like a museum for it.

1200
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 3: I don't know, but it's this nine hole golf course

1201
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 3: so you can play twice from two sets.

1202
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: Of tea it's like sixty three hundred yards.

1203
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 3: I think it was like ten bucks, Like we were

1204
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 3: the only people out there. We just showed up the

1205
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 3: protops in the house and like, I don't know, So

1206
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:46,280
Speaker 3: we made it Ryder Cup style Zach's groomsman versus Luke's

1207
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,399
Speaker 3: and we did matches. And I don't play a whole

1208
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 3: lot anymore. And I mean I played in college that

1209
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 3: was fourteen years ago, so I'm like a five now.

1210
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 3: I usually find it by like sifting hole. But we

1211
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,320
Speaker 3: had a baby, so that doesn't help either. But I

1212
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 3: just I think we were having fun and fooling around.

1213
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 3: I played a guy and I think I was giving

1214
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 3: them like three shots.

1215
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: We were supposed to be pretty close, and so.

1216
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 3: We played it from nine kind of short that part

1217
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 3: fives are you know, reachable and stuff, And I think

1218
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 3: I shoot like two under and I'm like five up,

1219
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 3: and so we're like, well, I'm just gonna start like

1220
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 3: trying a little bit more, and I ended.

1221
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:22,399
Speaker 1: Up shooting sixty eight.

1222
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 3: Uh it's that uncle Remis and beating the guy like

1223
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 3: I think it was like nine and seven Tiger Woods

1224
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 3: and Stephen named him and so it was just this

1225
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 3: like just beginning his inside joke because they go, I

1226
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 3: can't I don't even I can't do the golf course

1227
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 3: justice it was, it was amazing, but yeah, it's just

1228
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 3: a joke there. I think I think Luke shots sixty

1229
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 3: five or something. Fortunately, so I didn't beat Luke. But uh,

1230
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 3: it's just we we have a thing. We let's love

1231
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 3: just bad. I don't want to say bad. We just

1232
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 3: love lower class golf courses.

1233
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 1: I think they're fun.

1234
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 3: Because you can play in a T shirt, you know,

1235
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 3: and basketball shorts.

1236
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: Do you want things like that?

1237
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 3: So I think I think that's where it comes from.

1238
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 3: And it's just funny that.

1239
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: I think. The one thing we love about.

1240
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 3: Luc and Zach is like, I mean, they can play

1241
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 3: TPC if they want, but they love coming out to

1242
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 3: like ten dollar golf courses and playing these places with us.

1243
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's that's awesome. You know.

1244
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 4: It's the uh some of the best golf courses is

1245
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 4: that you know, people get so obsessed with conditioning and

1246
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 4: a mac, but you can find these like gems everywhere.

1247
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: Where.

1248
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 4: You can tell like if it had a big budget,

1249
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 4: that it would be a really really cool place to

1250
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 4: play golf.

1251
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 2: But you know it might not be in the best shape,

1252
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 2: but the bones are all there.

1253
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think right now, all I look for

1254
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 3: and I think DJ is kind of the same. If

1255
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 3: it's affordable and it's pretty quick, that's I mean. I

1256
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 3: care way more about that than the niceness of the

1257
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 3: golf course.

1258
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: Now.

1259
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 3: Granted, some nice courses are quick because a lot of

1260
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 3: people out there because they're exclusive. But I just want

1261
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 3: to play fast and cheap right now, So that was

1262
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 3: perfect for that.

1263
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,439
Speaker 2: Uncle Remus just us a gem.

1264
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 3: Check it out, maybe maybe linked to it in the

1265
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 3: newsletter or something. Steel can see it. It's it's pretty interesting.

1266
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 4: I'm I'm gonna google it. I'm sure we got downe

1267
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 4: with us. So Ryan Ann wants to wants to know

1268
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 4: what's the best place that you've eaten ad on your

1269
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 4: on all your travels.

1270
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 3: Best place, Uh just probably appeal to a lot of people.

1271
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: But last week got Hondo. We sound like a really.

1272
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 3: Good vegan place. And I'm not vegan, but I think

1273
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 3: because there's you can't just rely on neat to make

1274
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 3: it taste good. You have to use a lot of

1275
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 3: flavors and make it very flavorful. So I'm all about

1276
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 3: the vegan restaurants. So we actually this placed Christopher's Kitchen

1277
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 3: at Honda last week was amazing.

1278
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: Man, I don't.

1279
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 3: Remember names specifically. I love Tory Pines. Just toy Pine

1280
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 3: is up on the cliffs, obviously, and kind of you

1281
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 3: see a little bit of a town behind that third hole,

1282
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 3: the downhill part three called La Joya Cove.

1283
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: That was probably my favorite place to visit on tour.

1284
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 3: My wife and I stayed there for Tory Pines and

1285
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 3: it's just you can walk to a bunch of different places.

1286
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,959
Speaker 3: They got the ocean's right there, and they've all.

1287
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: These sea lions, like dozens of them, just.

1288
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 3: Barking and whatnot, and a lot of cool, little, funky

1289
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 3: little California places. That place is up there, I think.

1290
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 3: I don't know about eating. My favorite place to stay

1291
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 3: during the tour year is in the La Joya Cove.

1292
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 3: It's a place called La Joya in they call it

1293
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 3: European style, which just means the rooms are really small,

1294
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 3: but it's awesome. It's very affordable for where.

1295
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: You are, and it's such a cool location by the ocean.

1296
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's that's as I look at my window like

1297
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 4: a gray, dreary Chicago day and think about that place.

1298
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 2: I wonder what the hell I'm doing here.

1299
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 3: I have a photo on my Instagram. The place is

1300
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 3: literally like one hundred and ten bucks a night, and

1301
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 3: I have a photo my Instagram. You can see the

1302
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 3: ocean from the balcony of the room. So it's like

1303
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 3: the room is small, it's not fancy.

1304
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: But you get a real key for the room too,

1305
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: which is awesome.

1306
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 3: It's not some like plastic card. It's like a legitimate key,

1307
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 3: which you don't get a lot of those anymore.

1308
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 4: No, No, it's uh, that's a that's a good spot

1309
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 4: to hang out though, La hoya say I'm this Uh,

1310
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 4: I'm miss California. I lived there in another life and

1311
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 4: I gotta go back there. So let's get you out

1312
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 4: on uh this on some kind of quick hitter questions. Uh,

1313
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 4: we'll start a favorite architect, I don't know, the.

1314
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 3: Beginning, kind of a beginner Parks extra guy. Uh, I'm

1315
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 3: gonna go Seth Rainer because I love the look. It's

1316
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 3: just so you can just see you can tell that's

1317
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 3: the step main of course, and just the geometry of

1318
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 3: it everything, the sharp edges and just kind of the

1319
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 3: like it just looks old school before they had the

1320
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 3: equipment to make like crazy greens, like okay, I have

1321
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 3: a pretty square green here. Those kinds of things are

1322
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 3: sharp edges. Going to bunkers. I love flat bunkers with

1323
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 3: a grass space kind of thing. So I just love

1324
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 3: the geometry of it and just kind of the sharp angles.

1325
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 3: And I mean that looks really cool.

1326
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 2: I think you're playing to your audience. I'm a huge

1327
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 2: seth right now.

1328
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: No, I'm hopefully zactly listening.

1329
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 3: You know, we can talk about it, but uh, And

1330
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 3: I like, I think Pete Dye gets a bad rap

1331
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 3: and I think he might have gotten maybe he got

1332
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 3: cranky in his old age.

1333
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Speaker 1: I don't know.

1334
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 3: But like, to me, TPC like TVC is.

1335
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 1: Part amusement park.

1336
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 3: They give tours the clubhouse, and people just want to

1337
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 3: go out and see seventeen and go out on a

1338
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 3: cart ride and see it. But like there's a lot

1339
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 3: of subtlety to that golf course. And you know, growing

1340
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 3: up where I've grown up, like, I'm not used to

1341
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 3: playing a nice golf course where every time you play

1342
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 3: it you find out something new. I'm used to playing

1343
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 3: sixty five hundred yard public courses that there's really.

1344
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: No strategy to them, per se they're just kind of there.

1345
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 3: So I've loved leading a lot about Pete Dye and

1346
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 3: what he's trying to do, and then just playing stadium

1347
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 3: a fair amount, and each time you play, it's just

1348
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 3: kind of seeing little things like I talked about with

1349
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:05,919
Speaker 3: the undulation in the fair way and just those little,

1350
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 3: kind of subtle things. Everyone thinks he's a guy with

1351
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 3: a bunch of water hazards and bulkheads and it's.

1352
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 1: Not really that.

1353
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he's like the most underappreciated architecture. Everybody

1354
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 4: likes to like rail on him for these penals designs,

1355
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 4: but like he was the guy that like changed the

1356
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 4: whole industry. You look at the you know, dope and

1357
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 4: studied arm Bill Kohor studied under him. But Die was

1358
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 4: the first guy that brought strategy back into architecture. And

1359
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 4: you know, like when you're when you're changing the perception

1360
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 4: of an industry, like you can't make You probably couldn't

1361
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 4: do everything that he wanted to do, and I think

1362
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 4: he got.

1363
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 2: He got.

1364
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 4: You know, he had a lot of projects where like

1365
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 4: PGA West, he was told to build the hardest golf

1366
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 4: course he possibly could, So you know that's not really.

1367
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 2: Like you, you're an architecture only.

1368
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 4: Architect only has so much rain over a project, you know,

1369
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 4: especially then Yeah.

1370
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 3: And I would love to play some more Mackenzie. If

1371
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 3: anyone listening get me on Tiper's point, I'll gladly take

1372
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 3: that plain Augusta. But just reading Spirit of Saint Andrew's

1373
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 3: like his line that the bet hazard is put exactly

1374
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 3: where a good player intends to hit it, basically kind

1375
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 3: of talking about bunkers in the middle of wide fairways.

1376
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 3: I love that move because it is such a Most

1377
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 3: people probably hate it because obviously you piped down the

1378
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 3: middle and it goes to the bunker. But I mean

1379
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 3: to have to think about, you know, going around over

1380
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 3: short of left right. I mean that's the definition of thinking.

1381
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 3: So I love what mackenzie has to say about architecture

1382
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 3: in that book.

1383
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 4: And that's what I'm saying with like Robot Golf, you know,

1384
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 4: like these type faraways, it's just it's hit the fairway

1385
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 4: if there's water on both sides. These two guys, it's

1386
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 4: just like, oh, I just have to hit it straight.

1387
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 4: But you put a fairway or a bunker in the

1388
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 4: middle of the fairway, all of a sudden they have

1389
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 4: to decide if they want to hit it left or right,

1390
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 4: and just putting something that another factor in their mind

1391
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 4: where they have to make another decision is a spectacular architecture.

1392
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 4: Because that's what you need to do with great players,

1393
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 4: is that you constantly have to make them think about

1394
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 4: you know, the golf course.

1395
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Russia Canyon opened about fifteen minutes from

1396
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 3: where I lived when I was in pri my junior

1397
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 3: year of high school, and.

1398
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 1: We played it a couple of times.

1399
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 3: I think we were just too stupid to know what

1400
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 3: it was, and so it was like thirty five bucks

1401
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 3: and it's like wide open. You're like, oh, on this

1402
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 3: golf course. Is the fairways one hundred yards?

1403
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: Wives? This is so stupid.

1404
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 3: But now I look back and I'm like, the second

1405
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 3: hole was two fairways joined together, obie on the left,

1406
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 3: a little pop bunker on what.

1407
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 1: Would be the right side of the fairway.

1408
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 3: And but if you miss right now you've got a

1409
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 3: long iron over bunker and the green runs away from you.

1410
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 3: If you challenge the ob you can just you've got

1411
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 3: open grass in front of the green.

1412
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 1: You can run the.

1413
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 3: Shot up and then you're hitting obviously into the green

1414
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 3: that goes back to front, and it's like, now, looking

1415
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 3: back at it fifteen years later, I'm like, oh, you've

1416
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 3: got to challenge the left side, you know, the obi

1417
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 3: to have a good angle. Back then, we were just

1418
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 3: like this is so stupid. I could hit it anywhere

1419
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 3: and it's in play. And I think that's why what

1420
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 3: you're doing with architecture and stuff will make golf so

1421
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 3: much more interesting because people, I think they just look

1422
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 3: at rankings and like, oh, this is a good golf

1423
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 3: course because this company says it is. This company is

1424
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 3: a bad or this is a bad golf course. But

1425
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 3: people don't appreciate why it's good, why it's bad. Why

1426
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 3: a golf course that maybe they've never heard of is

1427
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 3: a good golf course.

1428
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: And I don't know.

1429
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 3: I think that I wish I wish I could go

1430
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 3: back to Rustic Canyon and play it now.

1431
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 1: I would probably love it.

1432
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 3: Back then I just totally was like, oh, this is

1433
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 3: just so pointless. But yeah, so I think that's why.

1434
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 3: I think that's why architecture and a knowledge of it,

1435
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 3: at least just even a basic one, makes golf so

1436
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 3: much better.

1437
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 1: And so much more fun.

1438
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, it takes It's another thing that takes score out

1439
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 4: of the out of play, like you know, you don't

1440
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:53,959
Speaker 4: if you're if you're out there to experience the golf course.

1441
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 4: You know, if you have a bad day or a

1442
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 4: good day, it doesn't really affect your overall experience.

1443
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 3: But that's the one thing I'm still trying to learn

1444
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 3: and how to like experience the golf course. I used

1445
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 3: to love covering amateur golf because we'd go to US

1446
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 3: Amateur on a great golf course and you can just

1447
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 3: walk down the middle of the fairway and watch people play,

1448
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 3: and so you've got a great idea of the golf course.

1449
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 3: I think when I play, I still get to my

1450
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:18,919
Speaker 3: own game centric and I'm just looking at the shot

1451
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 3: that I've got instead of the whole golf course.

1452
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 2: I think you just got to look around, you know,

1453
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 2: just try and be more observant.

1454
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 4: I get. I get the boost of I take like

1455
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 4: three thousand pictures, so I walk like three golf courses

1456
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 4: when I play, and you know, go and kind of

1457
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 4: look at different angles. But that I think that's the

1458
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 4: big thing is you know, just kind of pay attention

1459
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 4: and think about what your other playing competitors have for shots,

1460
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 4: and you know, how it's different if you're on one

1461
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:49,959
Speaker 4: side versus the other, and you know how different Maybe

1462
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 4: maybe the day's flag positions right in the middle of

1463
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 4: the green, But think about what it would be like

1464
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 4: if that pins back left and where you want to be,

1465
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 4: and you know how the bunker. You know, as you

1466
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 4: start to get going, I think it gets a lot easier,

1467
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 4: and you know, you start to kind of compute everything. Sure,

1468
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 4: So if if you could, having been in the golf

1469
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 4: industry for a long time now, if you could have

1470
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 4: any other.

1471
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 2: Job, what would it be in the golf industry. You

1472
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 2: could have you could be a team player, you could

1473
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 2: be an architect, you could be you could be whatever

1474
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 2: you want in the golf industry. Which which job would you.

1475
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 3: I mean, it's TV announcer, account I don't know what

1476
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 3: that media, that's you could say.

1477
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 2: I'd have my job too. You know, your your own job.

1478
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 1: I like your job. I think I like that. I

1479
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 1: mean your you're your own boss.

1480
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 3: You're probably just sitting there in your bosses right now.

1481
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 3: I don't want to picture hopefully not.

1482
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 1: But like I got thrusted today, okay, good, but I think.

1483
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 3: I wouldn't want to play too stressful too much travel.

1484
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 3: I definitely want to be an architect, so much that

1485
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 3: goes into that beyond just holes. I mean, if I

1486
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 3: had the attitude to be an architect, sure, I'd love

1487
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 3: being architect. But taking my current skill set now that

1488
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 3: will work. But I think I think what you're doing

1489
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 3: is and I'm not kissing you about here, but I

1490
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 3: think what you're doing is great. Just the being your

1491
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 3: own boss, creating something. I think I would probably if

1492
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:20,920
Speaker 3: I knew it would make money. I could feed my

1493
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 3: wife and my son. Probably write books. I love just

1494
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 3: diving into stuff. I think books either you have to

1495
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 3: be they're super famous and.

1496
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 1: They're gonna pay you a big advance.

1497
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 3: You have to have a big enough ego where all

1498
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:36,600
Speaker 3: the hours are worth it just have your name on

1499
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 3: a book, or you just have to be super, super

1500
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 3: super passionate about it.

1501
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 1: It's the the one priority in your life. And I'm

1502
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 1: not famous.

1503
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 3: I don't think my ego is big enough, and I

1504
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 3: don't it's not my n one priority in my life

1505
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 3: because I've got a family. So I would love to

1506
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 3: write a book. I'm not going to any times soon,

1507
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 3: but I think that would be my dream writing.

1508
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:58,680
Speaker 4: A book to me is kind of crazy because like

1509
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 4: I feel like with the way my brain works, like

1510
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 4: i'd be like halfway through and have put like months

1511
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 4: of work into something and then decide in my head

1512
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:09,719
Speaker 4: that it wasn't a good idea.

1513
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 3: For sure, I'm sure every author goes through that. I

1514
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 3: just think that's from a purely just straightforward standpoint, like

1515
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 3: it's a ton of work. It's devoting your life to

1516
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 3: it for a year or more, and I don't unless

1517
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 3: it hits it big, which unfortunately a ton of golf

1518
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:29,680
Speaker 3: books usually don't unless they're just kind of watered, just

1519
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 3: unless there's stuff for the mass audience. But it's a

1520
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 3: ton of work for not a lot of money. So

1521
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 3: I look at the formula that.

1522
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 1: Way, and I'm like, eh, I'm good.

1523
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 2: Maybe one day, maybe we just got to build up

1524
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:43,680
Speaker 2: your ego a little bit more.

1525
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, there we go.

1526
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 3: Oh I don't my wife and my kid would like that.

1527
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 3: That wouldn't spend any time with them.

1528
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 2: So what's uh, what's who's the best interview you've had?

1529
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:57,760
Speaker 1: An interview I've had?

1530
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 2: Huh?

1531
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,639
Speaker 1: I wish I haven't had like a lot.

1532
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 3: Of the let's just sit down and have dinner. Two

1533
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 3: hours to cover everything.

1534
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 1: Man, I'm trying to Gosh, that's a I'll.

1535
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:19,680
Speaker 3: Often tweet at you later and think about that one.

1536
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 1: I really enjoy Russell Knox. Uh.

1537
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 3: He's smart, he's very humble, he gives good answers. I

1538
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 3: appreciate you guys. If one of those guys can help

1539
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 3: tries like sometimes the questions come out perfectly and you

1540
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 3: can tell they're like, I don't know what the heck

1541
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 3: you're asking, but I'm gonna try and make it work

1542
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 3: for you. Or if they do get it, they're like,

1543
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 3: I'm still gonna try to give you the best answer possible.

1544
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 3: The smartest dans are possible.

1545
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 1: Russell Knox is one of those guys.

1546
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 3: He's always been great to me. I think Speak is

1547
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:55,639
Speaker 3: a great interview. I thought Ricky this week, UH did

1548
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 3: a great job in the press room. He was making

1549
01:10:57,479 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 3: fun of himself.

1550
01:10:58,080 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 1: He made fun of his height.

1551
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 3: He said his short drive probably looks long because he's short.

1552
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 3: And then when someone asked him what would mean to

1553
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 3: take on the.

1554
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:05,639
Speaker 1: Trophy, he said he would join a small collection.

1555
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 3: So I felt like Ricky was really relaxed and kind

1556
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:11,679
Speaker 3: of funny and gave good answers.

1557
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 1: But I'm not to tweet a you think about that

1558
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 1: one some more.

1559
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a self Deprecation's a great, great skill, you know,

1560
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:24,720
Speaker 4: you got best people can self deprecate, you know, and.

1561
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 1: Just can't take yourself too seriously for sure.

1562
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:29,879
Speaker 2: And then so if.

1563
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 4: If we're going to link to one of your stories,

1564
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:38,479
Speaker 4: what story is your favorite one that everyone should read

1565
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 4: that's listened this far, if anybody's still.

1566
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 3: Listening, If anyone still listening, let's put a code word

1567
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 3: at the end, and then they can win a prize

1568
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 3: if they can tweet it.

1569
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 1: Probably my Brian brother's piece.

1570
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 3: I kind of tweeted it this week. I'm like, yeah,

1571
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 3: they did the trick shots, like that's cool, but there's

1572
01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 3: so much more to it. Like they grew up in

1573
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 3: rural South Carolina. Their dad with this golf nut who

1574
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:05,759
Speaker 3: started golf in high school and played at South Carolina

1575
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 3: because he just basically.

1576
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 1: Was obsessed with it.

1577
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 3: And then they moved to this old little house with

1578
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 3: an acre of property and he turned it into.

1579
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 1: This like.

1580
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:18,760
Speaker 3: Makeshift golf academy in the backyard. And everyone thinks, oh,

1581
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 3: they grew up in a golf cabinet's being loaded, But

1582
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:22,440
Speaker 3: it wasn't like that. It was just this like homemade

1583
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 3: sort of.

1584
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 1: Golf academy, and he gives lessons. He's a PGA pro.

1585
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 1: They were both really good in college.

1586
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 3: George was actually even better than than Wesley. But like

1587
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 3: I said before, Wesley missed to school the first three

1588
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:37,600
Speaker 3: or four times he was broke. There's a time in

1589
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 3: college he shot one hundred and one in a tournament

1590
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 3: because he Wesley's always kind of made more of the

1591
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 3: miss a lot of fairways, scrambled really well guy, And

1592
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 3: so I think there's just so much more to that

1593
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:49,720
Speaker 3: story than yeah, they did trick shots, Like even they

1594
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 3: both did the trick shots because they were literally broke,

1595
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 3: and they were George was living at home and Wesley

1596
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:56,599
Speaker 3: just moved out with his wife, but they were paying

1597
01:12:57,760 --> 01:12:59,640
Speaker 3: the mortgage with her student loans, which isn't a good

1598
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 3: situation to be in. So like I think that one

1599
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 3: is respond. I've known them for a long time. We

1600
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 3: did an instructional article with them and Mike Bender when

1601
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 3: I was a golf week back in like seven, So

1602
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:09,680
Speaker 3: that was a fun one.

1603
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 1: That was a long one.

1604
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 3: And then I wrought about Tiger. If you want a

1605
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 3: Tiger article about in ninety two, Riviera which that was

1606
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 3: fun just to see, uh, just what things were like

1607
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:20,719
Speaker 3: back then as far as I mean Tiger just switched

1608
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 3: for Simmon and uh, just the reaction to people of

1609
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:26,720
Speaker 3: Tiger Woods coming out on tour. He had this thing

1610
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 3: called the Tiger Claw that he did when he made

1611
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 3: Burti Pus where he basically a clawing motion, which I

1612
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 3: would just wish that had survived past the week. I

1613
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 3: think I think it was an early attempt at branding. Yeah,

1614
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:40,600
Speaker 3: but probably those two, probably the Brian brothers would be

1615
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 3: that one.

1616
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's uh.

1617
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:46,600
Speaker 4: I think that it's it's interesting there's Brian and the

1618
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 4: Brian brothers. They get so much hype and I think that,

1619
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:53,720
Speaker 4: you know, the trick shots got on so much notoriety

1620
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 4: that there's almost like a backlash because of that, and

1621
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 4: it's not really fair. But you know, I you know,

1622
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 4: there's so many other guys on the web dot com tour,

1623
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 4: you know like that would love to have be afforded

1624
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 4: the opportunities that you know, George gets. But that's, uh,

1625
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:11,519
Speaker 4: that's life. It's not all fair. You know, you gotta

1626
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 4: make make your own brand.

1627
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:16,360
Speaker 3: I think that that was ricky, Like everyone acts like

1628
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:18,639
Speaker 3: media attention I'm in the media is owned to blame.

1629
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 3: But media attention is like this meritocracy where now, granted,

1630
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 3: you do wish that people who have success get the

1631
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 3: attention they deserve, and that sometimes we can go too

1632
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 3: far and just pay attention to stuff that's stilly and

1633
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:33,639
Speaker 3: has no has no merit to it over stuff that's

1634
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:37,600
Speaker 3: really important. But like, media attention is not this meritocracy.

1635
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 3: It's you know, I always tell people, like the story

1636
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:44,720
Speaker 3: man does job, goes home to his family and each

1637
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 3: standard with his wife, Like that's a really good way

1638
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:50,280
Speaker 3: to live your life if you're married, Like that's how

1639
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:51,880
Speaker 3: I do it. I try to you know, that's a

1640
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 3: good thing. But that's not gonna be a headline story.

1641
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 3: And so you know, when there's characters on the PGA tour,

1642
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:01,680
Speaker 3: whether it's Ricky or Wesley Bryant, like they're gonna get

1643
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 3: more attention because they're unique. Zach Blair, you know, you've

1644
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:07,559
Speaker 3: had him on here multiple times. Zach gets a ton

1645
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:11,800
Speaker 3: of attention because he's got such a great interest in

1646
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 3: something that's really interesting, and he communicates it so well

1647
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:16,320
Speaker 3: and shares it with the fans so well. And I mean,

1648
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:17,800
Speaker 3: he hasn't won on tour, but he gets a lot

1649
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 3: of media attention because he's different. There's one hundred and

1650
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 3: you know, fifty six guys out there, and there's a

1651
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:25,680
Speaker 3: lot of similarities. And so I think when guys are

1652
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 3: different to get media attention, and that's not hey, it's

1653
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 3: not their fault, but the like just because you get

1654
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 3: a lot of media attention and you don't win as

1655
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:36,720
Speaker 3: much as people think you should, don't mean you have

1656
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 3: to rip a guy.

1657
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 1: So that's my Ricky Saler take.

1658
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:40,679
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, I think Ricky.

1659
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:44,640
Speaker 4: I think what Ricky does better than anybody, you know,

1660
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 4: is he markets himself. And I think where so much

1661
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 4: of the backlash comes from is when you know, they

1662
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 4: when you look at golf's biggest earners and you see

1663
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 4: a guy, you know, especially younger in his career, he

1664
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 4: who had never won, who's raking in twenty million dollars

1665
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:02,840
Speaker 4: a year in advertise and endorsement, and it's like, you know,

1666
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 4: but he earns that money by you know, doing a

1667
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 4: great job promoting his personal brand. You know.

1668
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Ricky, I think No laing Up tweeted it too.

1669
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 3: Ricky's twenty eight, He's got four tour wins, and two

1670
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 3: really good European Tour wins that probably about as strong.

1671
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 1: As a lot of PGA Tour events. So really he's

1672
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 1: got six wins, like it's a.

1673
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 3: Good and he won a playoff event, and he won

1674
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 3: a players Championship. Wells Fargo is a good event, Honda,

1675
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 3: I mean he's won a golf courses.

1676
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

1677
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, Jordan Speed has nine wins at whatever,

1678
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 3: fourteen years old. But I mean Ricky's career is off

1679
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:41,200
Speaker 3: to a really good start. We like judge these guys

1680
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 3: in the middle of their career, like that's the last word.

1681
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 3: Like Ricky Fowler is going to retire fifty with four

1682
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:49,160
Speaker 3: PGA Tour victories. When four PGA Tour victories are twenty

1683
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 3: eight probably is a sign that he's going to have

1684
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 3: a good, solid career.

1685
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 1: But he's in the middle of it.

1686
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 3: We don't know what the next half of this go. Like,

1687
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 3: you know, he wins two majors next year, and now

1688
01:16:58,000 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, it's like, oh.

1689
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:01,240
Speaker 1: Well, it turns out he was actually pretty good and

1690
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 1: did what we thought he should.

1691
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know, So I think it's so

1692
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 3: hard judging guys in the middle of their career because

1693
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 3: so much can change so quickly.

1694
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 2: I think that people he does everything so well too.

1695
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 4: You know, he's long, he's got a great he's you

1696
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 4: know when it's when he's putting well, he's you know,

1697
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 4: spectacular putter, and you know everything he does looks really good.

1698
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:23,760
Speaker 4: It's you know, I think the other aspect of it

1699
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 4: is like, there's only four majors every.

1700
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 3: Year, and this person gonna win a major this year,

1701
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 3: and I'm like, honestly, they're probably not.

1702
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,800
Speaker 4: It's like what we talked about under It's like what

1703
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 4: we talked about earlier, is that there's four majors and

1704
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 4: you know there's conceivably, you know, thirty to fifty guys

1705
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:47,920
Speaker 4: on on in professional golf that if you said to me, hey,

1706
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 4: this guy's gonna win a major this year, I'd be like, Okay, yeah,

1707
01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:53,599
Speaker 4: I could. That could happen. Like Danny Willett last year's

1708
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 4: perfect example. Nobody was picking Danny Willett, but I wasn't

1709
01:17:57,280 --> 01:17:58,400
Speaker 4: at all surprised that.

1710
01:17:58,439 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 2: The guy won.

1711
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 4: He's, you know, he's former number one amateur player in

1712
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:04,720
Speaker 4: the world, had won a ton on the European Tour.

1713
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:07,519
Speaker 2: Like that is that's not surprising. He drives it well,

1714
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 2: he putts well, like you know that.

1715
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:12,960
Speaker 4: And it's like you look at you know, there's only

1716
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 4: four majors, so in when fifty guys can win, your

1717
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 4: chances are pretty small, right, So I mean what Phill.

1718
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:21,599
Speaker 1: Won it first?

1719
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:23,599
Speaker 3: Phill won a first major at thirty four, And I've

1720
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 3: got five majors and hen Rich just won his first major.

1721
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 1: I mean, it happens. It takes a while.

1722
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:30,760
Speaker 3: And yeah, again, just because it's only four of them

1723
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 3: a year, I mean, you can pick four random events.

1724
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 3: You could say, like is Ricky gonna win Travelers Genesis,

1725
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:40,280
Speaker 3: you know, pick four random events, like the odds are no,

1726
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 3: Like he's not gonna win those events, just because pick

1727
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 3: any four events and then especially take them on the

1728
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 3: hardest golf courses against the toughest field, and like the

1729
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 3: odds are against it because it's just so hard to do.

1730
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:51,599
Speaker 2: It's uh.

1731
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:53,639
Speaker 4: I mean, and then you know, like he won the Players,

1732
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 4: that's that's a major. That's the best field in golf.

1733
01:18:57,439 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 3: Hey man, here's saying my tune.

1734
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 1: I'll probably get a raised you saying that.

1735
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:03,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel dirty. I'm gonna have to take a shower.

1736
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:08,559
Speaker 4: But the but yeah, I mean the play, the fact

1737
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 4: that the players you know, compare like you know, their

1738
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 4: their fields stronger than the US Open field.

1739
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 2: But it's not major. It's like, well it's uh, but hey,

1740
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 2: it is what it is. So hey, I appreciate you

1741
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:22,840
Speaker 2: coming on.

1742
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:25,479
Speaker 4: I don't want to take up too much of your time.

1743
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:27,639
Speaker 4: I'm sure that you guys got a lot of stuff

1744
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:31,559
Speaker 4: going on over there at PGA Tour h Q, and uh,

1745
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:33,719
Speaker 4: don't want to get in trouble with any of your bosses.

1746
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:35,639
Speaker 1: Sure.

1747
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:38,599
Speaker 3: I usually just next to DJ and we just talk

1748
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:40,479
Speaker 3: about things on Twitter and then do some work.

1749
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's uh, it's a different, different life.

1750
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 4: I gotta, I gotta, I gotta get down for this

1751
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 4: year's players though, for sure, and uh, thank you.

1752
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 3: I mean I never went to the Players before I

1753
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:52,960
Speaker 3: started working here.

1754
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 1: Uh.

1755
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:57,559
Speaker 3: And it's it's an underrated event. Uh It's it's cool,

1756
01:19:57,640 --> 01:19:58,680
Speaker 3: so I highly recommend it.

1757
01:19:58,720 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 1: I'll be here.

1758
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 3: We're trying to I'm trying to rally some people to

1759
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 3: get here. Tron might be here, Kyle Porter might be here,

1760
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 3: so we're.

1761
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 4: You never know, Yeah, I'll get out of my my

1762
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 4: cave here. I just got to look at the dates,

1763
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:15,840
Speaker 4: but I think i'll probably probably probably take the plunge

1764
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 4: and head down there. Sounds good, all right man, Well

1765
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:23,760
Speaker 4: be well and thanks for all the time.

1766
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:26,800
Speaker 1: I'm good, thank you all right, bye bye