1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Hi, This is Chase Utley and this is the Phillies Show. 2 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 2: Hi, everybody, Welcome to the Philly Show. Ruben Tomorrow, Junior, 3 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 2: Jim Salisbury, Todds a lucky We are part of the 4 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 2: followed territory network. It's Tuesday, July thirtieth, twenty twenty four. 5 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 2: You know tonight is six pm Eastern. Is the trade deadline? 6 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 2: You know by now what moves the Phillies have done. 7 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 2: We will see if Dave Dombrowski has anything else else 8 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 2: up his sleeve. Maybe it's another arm, maybe it's another bet, 9 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,279 Speaker 2: maybe it's nothing at all. In the meantime, though, this 10 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 2: will be a nice change of pace. We caught up 11 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 2: the other day with Hunter Pence, who, of course, was 12 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 2: one of Reuben's big trade deadline acquisitions in July of 13 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: twenty eleven. From the Astros, Hunter becomes an instant fan 14 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 2: favorite the moment he puts on his Phillies uniform. He 15 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 2: helps the Phillies Winter franchise record or two games they 16 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 2: fall short of course in the postseason, and then he 17 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: gets traded to the Giants. In July of twenty twelve, 18 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 2: we took a stroll down memory Lane gart a lot 19 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 2: of fun stories through in a surprise for you that 20 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 2: we think you'll get a kick out of. In the 21 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 2: middle of it. Hunter is in town this week because 22 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 2: the Phillies are celebrating the twenty year anniversary of Citizens 23 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 2: Bank Parks, so they've been bringing in former Phillies to 24 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 2: throw out first pitches. Hunter's throwing out the first pitch 25 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 2: before Wednesday afternoons games against the Yankees. And then if 26 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 2: you want to meet Hunter, there's an opportunity for you. 27 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 2: He's hosting an equipment drive and meet and greet again Wednesday, 28 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 2: July thirty, first at yards Bring and Philadelphia from five 29 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: to six thirty pm. Fans are invited to donate new 30 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 2: or gently used baseball or softball gear to gain entry 31 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 2: and the opportunity to meet Pence, take photos, get autographs. 32 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 2: Hunter has partnered with pitch in for Baseball and Softball 33 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 2: to distribute the collected equipment to youth baseball and softball 34 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 2: teams and local underserved neighborhoods. So that should be a 35 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: good cause, a great time. Bring in some gear, meet Hunter, 36 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 2: get an autograph, get a photo. But while we wait 37 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 2: for six pm Eastern this show, here is what we 38 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 2: talked about with Hunter Pence, You're gonna enjoy this, Hunor Man, 39 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining the Philly Show. So 40 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 2: good to have you. You're gonna be in town in 41 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 2: Philadelphia at citizens Bank Park. It's a twentieth anniversary of 42 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 2: citizens Bank Park and you're gonna be throwing out a 43 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 2: first pitch on Wednesday. And obviously you had a great 44 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 2: time in Philly. Short time in Philly, but a great 45 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 2: time in Philly. Are you looking forward to coming back? 46 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: Absolutely, It's gonna be so fun to come back. What 47 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: an honor. This will be my first first pitch ever. Like, 48 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: do y'all have any tips on like how I should 49 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 1: go about it? Like I haven't really played too much 50 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: catch since I retired, but a little bit here and there. 51 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: Any any tips? 52 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 2: What should I go with Rubens? 53 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: I would not go. I would not go to the 54 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 1: top of the mound. 55 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 3: I would go probably just in front and or just 56 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 3: in front of the rubber. Make sure you get loose, 57 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 3: and I would just go ahead and fire man, let it. 58 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,679 Speaker 1: As hard as I can. All right, hard as you can. 59 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: But you might blow somebody up there. But I don't 60 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: know who's you know, who's catching it? No idea, no idea. 61 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: I'm sure it'll be something special too, So I'm excited. Yeah, 62 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: it'll be cool and what inn order to get back 63 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: to the bank. Yeah, I'm excited. 64 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 2: The timing's perfect because of course you were a huge, 65 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 2: huge trade head dying acquisition for Ruben in twenty eleven. 66 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 2: What when you think about that time, what immediately comes 67 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 2: to mind for. 68 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: You getting traded over to the Phillies. Oh, man, Like, 69 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: it was, uh, what's what a blessing? Like I was 70 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: super excited to be Like I was a Texas kid 71 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: right born and raised, and it was an honor to 72 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: play for the Astros, And you always have the dreams, 73 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: like I think it y'all know me, Like, I'm a 74 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: guy that wants to be loyal and like stick to whoever. 75 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: But like you find out through the nature of baseball 76 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: that that's very difficult to have that opportunity to get 77 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: to stay with one team. So obviously we were losing 78 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: a lot in Houston and it was a heartbreak that 79 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: I wasn't able to like make it happen there. But 80 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: then when I got to Philly, man, like, this is 81 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: a team that was prime probably the most talented team 82 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: twenty eleven the Phillies that I ever played on, I 83 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: would say definitely. It was an insane group obviously, like 84 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: we didn't catch lightning in the bottle, Like you got 85 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: to have a lot of things go your way. But 86 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: I got to meet like the Philly fan base, learning 87 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: experience a whole new city, and so it was perfect 88 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: for me. That opportunity and coming in to Philly in 89 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: that time was ridiculous. It was like, really really fun. 90 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 4: I still remember the day you arrived, Hunter, because you know, 91 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 4: there was a lot of rumors that, hey, they want 92 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 4: a right handed bat. Hunter Pence is the best right 93 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 4: handed bat out there, and we kind of knew that 94 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 4: they're gonna get Hunter Pence. The deal goes down and 95 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 4: you show up like an hour before game time, and 96 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 4: I remember you came. 97 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: Out on the field. 98 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 4: They had to spray paint your spike's red. 99 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: Do you remember that? Oh I remember that, Yeah, because 100 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: you have red sp and I didn't have any, and 101 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: uh man, I just like I was about business, like 102 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: I was coming I play every day. I burned the 103 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: field to the ground, like that's just who I was. 104 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: Like I'm gonna hit the weights afterwards, and like, uh, 105 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: it's just very aggressive was just kind of my mindset. 106 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: So spray paint the spikes, whatever we gotta do. And 107 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: I think one game I wore like Nikes because I 108 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: didn't I had to deal with Rebok, And I think 109 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: the first game I actually wore Nikes and that was 110 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: the picture that like blew up everywhere and it's me 111 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: and a Nike shoe and I have this like big 112 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: Rebok deal at the time. And so then we started 113 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: spray painting my rebox. But like you can't reverse the time. 114 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: I guess we should have spraypainted the first day. Do 115 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: you remember that, Rubin. 116 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 3: I think it must have been Frank Openbargen with spray 117 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 3: paint and stuff, right. 118 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. They just find a way 119 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: in the clubhouse man the grinders there, And honestly, the 120 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: spray paint was like really cool. That was way more fun. 121 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 4: So we're we're approaching another trade deadline here, and you 122 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 4: went through it twice. You went through it Houston and Philly, 123 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 4: Philly to San Francisco. When you start hearing your name 124 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 4: a little bit and you kind of do the math 125 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 4: that you know I might be the guy. Is it 126 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 4: stressful on the player? Is it stressful on the human being. 127 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:18,239 Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna depend on situations, right, Like different 128 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 1: people have families. When you become a veteran or whatever, 129 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: and your wife and you have a system. If you're 130 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: like really hooked into a place and you're not expecting 131 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: to ever get traded, and then that happens and you're caught, 132 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: like you just bought a house or whatever. That's the 133 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: whole saying. It's like, don't buy a house that will 134 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: get you traded. Uh yeah, you know, like yeah it can. 135 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: And and like for me as a young kid and 136 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: like you know, once again like the dreams of being 137 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: like the Craig Vigio that gets to stay forever. You know. 138 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: So emotionally it was a big hit. But as far 139 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: as like I don't know, I feel like baseball's a 140 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: bit of a soul journey and like what it taught 141 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: me as a human and an individual, it was like 142 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,559 Speaker 1: perfect for me. And like you get to learn someone, 143 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: make so many more relationships and great, learn so much 144 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 1: more about our country, learned so much more about different organizations. 145 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: And as a student in the science of the game 146 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: of baseball, game of business, game of life, you learn 147 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: so much from each organation you go to, especially if 148 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: you like go in with like like I'm gonna give 149 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: my all to who believes in me, whoever just trade 150 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: Free really believes in you. I'm gonna give my all 151 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: to the city. I'm gonna go, like get out into 152 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: the streets and like learn what's about. Experience the shops, 153 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: experience the people, talk on the radio shows, meet the personalities, 154 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: and like also take the accountability of the mistakes you make. 155 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: Like none of us are perfect. We're gonna be humans, 156 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: but like you can learn so much from each organization 157 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: in each city. 158 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 3: So I'm one of the reasons why you were sort 159 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 3: of a perfect fit. Not just because you know, you 160 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 3: were a right handed bat and you played the right 161 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 3: position that we sort of needed to fill, but you 162 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 3: also had a certain personality and and you know, a 163 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 3: makeup that I think the fan base in Philadelphia because 164 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 3: you were just kind of this balls out player, were 165 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 3: like the great fit for us. 166 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: Now, is this something that developed? Is this something that 167 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: you were as a kid. What were you like as 168 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: a kid. 169 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 3: Is this sort of just like the mature Was this 170 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 3: the more mature hundred pence that became this you know, 171 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 3: really aggressive player, or just something. 172 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 5: That that gradually happened in your life, you know what, 173 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 5: Like I've always I grew up in Texas, Like I 174 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 5: grew up with like humility embedded in me, like be humble, 175 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 5: be humble, be quiet, right, but like my innate nature, 176 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 5: especially in sports, like I just like there's something in 177 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 5: me that loves to compete and like and like when 178 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 5: I go. 179 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: I go for it. And so my thing was like 180 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: let your actions speak, don't let your words speak, so 181 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: like you're gonna see the fire that's in me through 182 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: my play was kind of like and and and yes, 183 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: like you know, as you know you're coming up through 184 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: all the leagues, like uh, you're always if you you know, 185 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: in my particular case, I was always the youngest everywhere 186 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: until I got to the big leagues, right, and I'm 187 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: still very young, and so I always had to kind 188 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: of keep a quiet mind. But like, yeah, I think 189 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 1: just my nature in and of itself is aggressive. But 190 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: a lot of my coaches, like I got to the 191 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: big leagues and it was like hey be conservative, be conservative, 192 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: and it was just like so not me. So I 193 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: was like in this like weird battle, like how do 194 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: I be Like I want to go make the play. 195 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: I want to lay out for it, like I believe 196 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: in myself and I had good instincts I didn't. I 197 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: don't want to be reckless, So yeah, I think it 198 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: was It is just my nature, like I've always believed, 199 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 1: like prevent defense previns you from winning anytime you get 200 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: like lit up in basketball or whatever and you're not 201 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: continuing to push the envelope. Like I love Chase Utley's mindset. 202 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: He was like, listen, like the game's not Overteil, he laughs, 203 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: freaking out. We are healed here to continue to add on. 204 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 1: Don't settle into like whatever the record is, don't settle 205 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: into whatever the score is, like ahead or behind, continue 206 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: to push, and like, I just love that mindset. And 207 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: even Charlie Manuel. Charlie Manuel is a dude that's like, hey, man, 208 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: are we Like it's like breakfast time and Charlie's like, hey, 209 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: what are you doing looking for hits? Is it time 210 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: to hit homers? And I'm like yeah, like I'm ready, 211 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it. So that just is me. I 212 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: am that fire energy and I live for that. So 213 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: I was. 214 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 3: Curious when you walked into that clubhouse, your expectations like 215 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 3: how fired up were you? 216 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: How nervous were you? 217 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 3: We intimidated in any way, shape or form, because now 218 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 3: you're in a situation where you came from Houston and 219 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 3: weren't winning. 220 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: Now the expectation was to win. 221 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 3: How what was going through your mind and what was 222 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 3: going through your body at the time. 223 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 1: Oh, man, I was thrilled. I would say that, Like 224 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: I also had like a very like I was. I 225 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: was very I'm very curious in life in general, and 226 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: I was excited to learn from utlely Howard Rowlands, Victor Reno, 227 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: like I want to learn from Holiday Cliff Lee, and 228 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: like there's a lot to from even just from there's 229 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: so much value in that experience of like watching how 230 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 1: Holiday went about his business and how Cliff Lee two 231 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: guys that were competing for this im with completely totally 232 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: different ideas of how to prepare for a major League 233 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: baseball game. But also so like there was just like 234 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: so many like oh, there's more than one way to 235 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: see succeed at this game. And like I finally hit 236 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: that point because when I first got to the Major's 237 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: room and I would take Bertman to breakfast, I would 238 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: take Cliff Carlos Lee morgan Insburg, and I would ask 239 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: all of them. I even like I called up Barry 240 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: Bonds and went to like I was studying all the 241 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: greats and bagwe video and like every time I tried 242 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: to be one of them or like I would take 243 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: that a little bit of notes, but like I would 244 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: try too much to be them, I would get worse. 245 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: So I finally learned that like take the good and 246 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: the bad, but make it your own. And even Charlie 247 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: said that no yourself, we're all built a little bit different. 248 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: I thought he was really wise with that. So then 249 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: for me it was just more of like more opportunity 250 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: for knowledge. But like I was ready to win at 251 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: that point, and like I was excited. It felt like 252 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: a lot of pressure left off of me because in 253 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: Houston it was like it was kind of just me 254 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: and Born having a good season. It was like I 255 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: had to carry the whole weight, and now was like 256 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: just be the puzzle piece because there's a lot of 257 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: pieces around you. And like it was like Raoul Labanni 258 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: has one day political, the next day, the next day 259 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 1: meet that you know, and just like keep doing your part. 260 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: And it was like Charlie was like similar where it's 261 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: like every single day you play, these are my guys 262 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: go play and I like lived for that. 263 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 2: I remember you talk about the differences between Roy and Cliff, 264 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 2: and I remember Jason Worth one telling me that he's 265 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 2: like when Roy, when it was Roy's day to start, 266 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 2: you knew because he was like laser focused. You couldn't 267 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 2: talk to him. He is that. Meanwhile, then Cliff Lee 268 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 2: half an hour before he starts throwing paper into a 269 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 2: trash can for one hundred dollars a shot, you know, 270 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 2: I mean just he's. 271 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: Like it's like, is Cliff's pitching today? 272 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 2: I don't even know if Clip's pitching today? Right? 273 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: Is that? Is that kind of how. 274 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 2: You would describe the difference between Roy and Cliff. 275 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like like Roy was like literally like hours in 276 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: the studying notebooks of like how to dissertate, like what 277 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: every single batter, where their weaknesses were, and what counts 278 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: like every percentage. But also Holiday had like the arsenal 279 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: of like I can throw any pitch and they're all good, 280 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: So like I'm gonna which one do I want to throw? 281 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: And so I'm gonna He leaned his confidence on like 282 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: knowing your weakness, and he had every pitch, so he 283 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: didn't just need to be like, I'm just gonna have 284 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: my strength overpower you. Clif Lee was just like, I 285 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: don't care what your weakness is. You can't hit my strength, 286 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: and you know, and like, and he believed in that 287 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: and like, but if he if Cliffley overthought it, he 288 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: might get worse. And if Roy Holiday didn't do his preparation, 289 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: he would lose his coff. So like that was what 290 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 1: was good for both of them, Like right, like what 291 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 1: one thing that's good for one person doesn't mean it's 292 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: good for everyone, similar to what I was saying with like, 293 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:09,719 Speaker 1: I tried to be Lance Berkman, and I got a 294 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: little bit worse. You know, He's like, all you know, 295 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: swing down and catch it way too deep. And Carlos 296 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: Lee is he had some really good tips. Carlos Lee 297 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 1: probably gave me some of the best advice in hitting 298 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: that I ever got because it was very general. It 299 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: wasn't like be him, and I shared this with a 300 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: lot of people. But anyway, every time I tried to 301 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: be or even Barry Bonds, I got worse. So like, yeah, 302 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: each of them were totally different and it worked for them, 303 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: and they knew themselves, which was really cool. 304 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 2: Is there anything you picked up from Chase, because we've 305 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 2: had I feel like every player that we've had on 306 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 2: that played with him, when we've had Handles, Frank Core, 307 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 2: Pat Burrell, they all have a Chase utly story. Is 308 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 2: there a lesson that he taught you or just a 309 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 2: favorite story when people ask about about him that comes 310 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 2: to mind. 311 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I have a lot of stories. He was 312 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: kind of a big mystery to me because he's kind 313 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: of secretive in general. But like there was one time, 314 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: I think in twenty twelve, I was struggling and he 315 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: like kind of was like, hey, let's like go through 316 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: this and let's do this, and uh, he was trying 317 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: to help me. I don't really, honestly, I don't even 318 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: really I remember trying to do the stuff that he 319 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: was telling me. He was like telling me I was 320 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: hitting it too hard and VP and you know whatever, 321 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: you know, and like you have these years where it's 322 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: like like the year before every you know, everything was 323 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: in sync and working and then I don't know whatever 324 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: that reason. That year, I was hitting homers and I 325 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: was driving in runs, but I was like a two 326 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: sixty average or something. Which is not where I really 327 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: felt like I belonged. And but yeah, he was kind 328 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: of secretive. But then one time he tried to help me, 329 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: and and he was always like questioning, like what are 330 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: you doing? What's happening here? But like he wouldn't tell 331 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: me why he was questioning it. But I guess for me, 332 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: the biggest thing I saw was like what I tried 333 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: to mirror him at first. I get there as early 334 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: as him and start watching as much video as him, 335 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: and like my head started her. I was like, dude, 336 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: I don't have the mental capacity for this. Yeah, right, 337 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So, but also he would 338 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: show me like he could see tips and things like 339 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: he just had this abilities, like look at his glove 340 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: and he'd be like, is buble do this? And his 341 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: buble like it was like the I neiest thing, like 342 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: I can't even do a justice And I was like, 343 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: I literally don't see the difference. And I was like 344 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: I don't, like I don't know so But at the 345 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: same time, like I learned some like there were some 346 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: really cool things he taught me on leadership, you know, 347 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: like the first day I got there, he was like, hey, man, 348 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: like let me show you around the city so that 349 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: you can learn the city. And I was like, oh, 350 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: I could just get a cab rack holl And He's like, 351 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: yeah you could, but let me show you around. And 352 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: then like he like showed me around the city and uh, 353 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: you know, and just kind of welcomed me. It's like 354 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: if there's anything you need, like the only and like 355 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: all of them, like Utly Rowlins, Howard, they all came 356 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: up to me. Ruben back to your first question, and 357 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: the first thing they said was like, Hey, we don't 358 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: need you to be anything more than yourself. Just be yourself. 359 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: And so like they just like that. That made it 360 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: so easy coming in to have confidence. It's like, hey, welcome, 361 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: like we got this, like you don't have to do 362 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: everything anymore. And they all vocalize that, and that was 363 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: really cool. And you were yourself. 364 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 4: He showed up with you were full of energy, full personality, 365 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 4: full of production, and the fans fell in love with 366 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 4: you just like that. Of course it didn't hurt that 367 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 4: you showed this. I'm not I guess you'd call it 368 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 4: a sense of humor, but it was sort of like 369 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 4: the mantra for the season you win a big ball game. 370 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 4: The interview, you're after the game and you say, great game. 371 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 4: Let's go eat. 372 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: That was perfect In Philly, they love to eat, you know, 373 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: we all well, I mean it was like it was 374 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: like this game and I think we had we had 375 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: to get a getaway day and we're in the outfield 376 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: and there's more to this story than just that. So 377 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: like we're in the outfield and Victory was like, man, 378 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: I'm starving, can you end this game? And uh So 379 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh man, Victory is hungry. Maybe I got 380 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: to find a way to score, you know, lock in 381 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: uh for the for the home mees. And so they're like, well, 382 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: what do you think when you when you when you 383 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: scored the way they ron And I was like, and 384 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: like the first thing that popped into my head was 385 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: an old school like a hundred points in the basketball 386 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: game for the Mavericks. They would get like tacos and 387 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: so like they were they had this thing where Dirt 388 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: Dewitsky came in like dunked on someone for the hundred 389 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: points and they were like Dirk he says. So I 390 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: was like, Victory, that's hungry, Like we scored the winning runs. 391 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: Good game, baby, Let's go eat. 392 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it was so beautiful shirts and everything. 393 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, people still Philly people still to this day. Oh 394 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 1: I loved you and Philly. Let's go eat on her? 395 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 2: So Hunter, I I hope I actually found this commercial. 396 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 2: Do you remember the Lycio's commercial that you did? 397 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: You can? I can? I forget that commercial? Can I could? I? 398 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 1: I want to. 399 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 2: I want to play it real. 400 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: Quick and I want to get let's see here we 401 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 1: go depends here for Lysio's Bakery. You can do so 402 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 1: many things with Lizio's bread and rolls. I used Lysio's 403 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 1: Italian to measure my socks and you're good to go. 404 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: They've actually become a big part of my training regimen. 405 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: Today we're gonna get our curls in with the Lyceio's 406 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: Italian bread. I like to work my laps and dealt 407 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: with their patented bread. Rulie. My favorite thing to do 408 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 1: with Lisio's roles eat them Lysio's Bakery. It all starts 409 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: with the bread. I mean cool. 410 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 6: You know that that's that still pops up, That still 411 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 6: pops up on time on my Twitter timeline at times. 412 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 6: And I think, like people see that commercial, they think 413 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:18,959 Speaker 6: of you. There's still like this sense of nostalgia for 414 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 6: that for that season, for the year, and I think 415 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 6: it just kind of embodies how big that team was 416 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 6: that you could make a little off the cuff comment. 417 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 6: I think it was your second game with the Phillies, right, 418 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 6: and I think that probably sparked Lysio's reaching out. 419 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 2: To you to do a commercial. 420 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: Man, I love that commercial. Like people hated on that 421 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: and a lot of people pay like that. That commercial 422 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 1: is terrible. That commercials terrible. I'm like, you're never gonna 423 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: forget this commercial now, Rubin, you remember this When you 424 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: traded for me, you got like some money back or something. 425 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: Because I had like a sports hearney. So I was 426 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: playing twenty eleven with a sports turney of the entire season. 427 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: So I had the sports herney of surgery. After the 428 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: season was over and I could barely move, we were 429 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: shooting that commercial, so like I was just like trying 430 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 1: to get through life. And then we only had one 431 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: day to shoot it, and I was just like, all right, 432 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: I got to figure this out. That's funny. That's funny, 433 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: very cool. 434 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 4: Just you joined that great team in twenty eleven, Rubin 435 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 4: made big deals every year. Cliff Lee one year Oswall, 436 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 4: one year you one year made them all on July 437 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 4: twenty ninth, and it was crazy. And then you know, 438 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 4: you mentioned how talented the twenty eleven team was and 439 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 4: you went on to win two World Series in San Francisco. 440 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: But that twenty. 441 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 4: Eleven team one hundred and two wins, best team in baseball, 442 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 4: and they just had a bad week against Saint Louis, 443 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 4: and it ends like that. It was like stunning, just 444 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 4: and I know it still pains Ruben. 445 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: How about you? 446 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 4: Do you still carry that that defeat Saint Louis and 447 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 4: what might have been? 448 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: I got one hundred million percent. I'm still sick to death, 449 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: Like I could not believe we lost that, like and 450 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: there's just so much to it, right, Like like we 451 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: were like we won the division with like twenty five 452 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: or something days left in the season, so like everyone 453 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: was banged up. You know, Howard had the Achilles and 454 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 1: like like most of us, like even I have like 455 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: a knee thing or something, and I had like eight 456 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 1: days off as well, and then all of us came 457 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: back for the last series against the Braves. We sweep 458 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: the Braves, the Cardinals sweep the Asher, so we bring 459 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: the Cardinals into the playoffs right sort of, and uh, 460 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: you know, like I'll still remember Cliff Lee pitching, and 461 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: LaRussa goes and gets on Jerry Meals. We had like 462 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: a four run lead at home. We won game one, 463 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: I believe, uh Cliff Lee's dealing, and then all of 464 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: a sudden, LaRussa wears out Jerry Meals and then Cliffs 465 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: like he won't call a strike and they and they 466 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: climb back and they get like a lead and they 467 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 1: win that game. We're just like what but and then 468 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: the last game where it was like freezing cold and 469 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: the winds blowing in and we're just we're like crushing 470 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: balls into this like icy like wind that's knocking. Like 471 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: Utley killed one, Howard killed the last one. Those are 472 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: homers anytime during the summer. So it's like, wasn't meant 473 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: to be. But yeah, no, the pain of losing that 474 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: series and like, honestly, I feel like when you traded 475 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: me out, like Utley and Howard were out for the 476 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: whole first half, the only like it was like like victory. No. 477 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 1: Me and Reees were like trying to fight and carry 478 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: the Torture. Were four games behind the Braves, so like 479 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: we thought, like, oh, Utley Howard coming back, We're gonna 480 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: make this run. We're gonna make this push. But I 481 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: guess like there was a lot of closed door meetings 482 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: and you know, and I don't know what was said 483 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: there or what the situation was, but you sent Victory 484 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 1: No out to LA then you sent me to San Francisco, 485 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: where I was just like WHOA, Like I thought we 486 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: were gonna make this run. But the pain of losing 487 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: that series to the Cardinals, and like even just remembering 488 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: how it felt like spring training for twenty five games. 489 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 1: When I got to the Giants and we ended up 490 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: rattling off and winning the Vision by ten games. I 491 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 1: remember telling everyone. I was like, look, we are like 492 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: we have all these days. We cannot just relax and 493 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: treat like spring training. And like I learned the lesson 494 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 1: from that year that you can't just flip the switch 495 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: on and off. And so like I was like like 496 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: like they'd be like, hey, Sunday day game, doing a 497 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: day off. I'm like, no, I'm playing, And I'd be 498 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: yelling at like players like if their body language wasn't there, 499 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: I'd be like, let's go. It's freaking matters. And like 500 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: we had these like a couple comeback wins, and we 501 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: kept kind of the pedal to the metal because of that. 502 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: And I don't know if y'all remember, but like the 503 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: speeches and stuff, I came that demon that was within 504 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: me was built from the pain of losing in twenty eleven. 505 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: Like it was big. I would I would not like. 506 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: I was just like, this ain't happening again, Like I 507 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: do not want to go home. 508 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 4: Wow, I remember those watching those in the dugout. You're 509 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 4: giving those peptois yeah to the giants, and you're so 510 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 4: right about Jerry Meals. Tony LaRusso goes on Fox TV 511 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 4: between innings for the interview and he's asked an innocuous 512 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 4: question and he has an agenda. He basically says, we're 513 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 4: pitching the two different strike zones here, and then he 514 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 4: goes out and he airs out meals on the mound 515 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 4: during a trip to the mound, and all the pitchers 516 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 4: Cliffy was getting he didn't get him anymore, and it 517 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 4: changed everything. 518 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 1: That was a real disappointed time. 519 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 3: I remember getting a call from David Montgomery. 520 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: Did you see what Tony l Russ is doing? 521 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 5: You gotta say Charlie's got to go out there and 522 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 5: get it strike zone back, and I'm. 523 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,719 Speaker 1: Like, oh, man, hold out in the club, I Doug, 524 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 1: I mean, And yeah, it was. It was a big 525 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: turning point and at back. 526 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 3: I talked to Tony LaRussa afterwards and he said, Man, 527 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 3: you guys should have won that series. 528 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: You guys are way better than us and had you know, 529 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: you guys should should have shown but hey, that's part 530 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 1: of the game. That's the kind of stuff that happens. 531 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 3: And it's interesting that you that that learning experience guided 532 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 3: you through San Francisco. One of the toughest things for 533 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 3: me to do, and I the last thing I wanted 534 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 3: to do when I took over the club was to 535 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 3: ever have to go backwards, because I wanted to try 536 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,360 Speaker 3: to win every year and we just felt. 537 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: Like the injuries we had in twenty twelve, we just 538 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: were not going to be. 539 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 3: Able to have enough horses to be able to get there, 540 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 3: and that's why we ended up disbanding. 541 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: But and that was not fun for me, not fun 542 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: to have to. 543 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 3: Move you because you were sort of exactly what we 544 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,479 Speaker 3: wanted at the time and exactly what we needed. But 545 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 3: we just felt like we weren't going to be able 546 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 3: to get there in twenty twelve, sadly because of our injuries. 547 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think you were right, like Holliday was 548 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: kind of like falling a bit, like there was something 549 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 1: that he wouldn't, you know, admit to that. I think 550 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 1: there was a lot of behind closed doors with him, 551 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: and who knows what, like Utley like really had of 552 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: the tank at that point. Like so there was probably 553 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: there was a lot of like limpy stuff going on. 554 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: And you even said to me when you traded me, 555 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: you were like, look like we love having you, Like 556 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: we're gonna miss you, like maybe hopefully we can cross 557 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: paths again. So that was a totally different conversation than then, 558 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:41,959 Speaker 1: you know, when I left the Astros and it meant 559 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 1: a lot to me and I didn't forget that, So 560 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: that that was really cool. Hunter. 561 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 2: You're doing Giants games now, you're still out there. What's 562 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 2: what what's your perception of this current Phillies group, you know, 563 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 2: out in the West Coast and just what you see 564 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 2: from whatever game. I don't know how many Phillies games 565 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 2: you get to watch, but what you see on the 566 00:24:58,280 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 2: highlight shows and whatnot. 567 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: I mean, this is one of the coolest teams in 568 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: the game right now. It's just like a such a 569 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: good a great group, an easy group to root for, 570 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: their fun to watch, I mean the combo of Schworeber 571 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: to watch Harper turn into what he's turned into. And 572 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: you know we've seen him as a young kid and 573 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 1: immature and hair on fire, uh, and turn into just 574 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: a great leader, a great human, a great member of 575 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: the Philly community, family man and like and a historic 576 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: baseball player and Alex bowm you know, they're just they're 577 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: they're a team that's like really special. This is a 578 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 1: time in Philly. This group is going to be remembered 579 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: for a long time with very fond memories. They're on 580 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 1: you know, for the last three years. They could have 581 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: easily won the World Series any of these three years 582 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,719 Speaker 1: they're right there. Uh and and you expected I think 583 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: this is that year. 584 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 3: Uh. 585 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 1: It's all kind of coming together. You know. You just 586 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: love everything that that that they're that they're doing, that 587 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: they've been a part of it. You can feel like 588 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 1: the tightness and and like even the words that these 589 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 1: guys how they speak to each other. So they're they're 590 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: the probably the most veteran perfectly put together. Like it's 591 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 1: like good brand of baseball through and through and it's 592 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 1: special to watch. 593 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 4: I think you're also doing some work for Perfect Game 594 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 4: Broadcasting Giants, but you like seeing the young kids in 595 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 4: the coming up on the way, the young prospects. I 596 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 4: think you got a nephew is a good player, right 597 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 4: involved a perfect game. 598 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's young, right, and obviously he's getting 599 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: a lot of clout and a lot of like a 600 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 1: lot of attention because he throws really hard. He's actually 601 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: a really good hitter. He's a good kid. He's worked 602 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: very hard. He loves it. It's intrinsic with him, like 603 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: he knows more about the history of baseball than I do. 604 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I love all aspects of the sport. 605 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: It's been awesome to have the time to honestly the 606 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,959 Speaker 1: Perfect Game College Baseball show that I've done for like 607 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: four years, like getting to talk to some of the 608 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 1: great college coaches, the great college players, Like I did 609 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 1: not realize how much baseball was going to learn. I 610 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,479 Speaker 1: think college coaches are some of the greatest leaders in 611 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: our country. You know, the responsibility that's put on them 612 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: and the business that it's become is ridiculous. Like I 613 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: just I come out of that show every time like 614 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: with just amazing treasures of great wisdom and knowledge from them. 615 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: So that's been really cool. And I forget what your 616 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: other question was, but yeah, I have this weird window 617 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 1: where I'm a little bit in youth baseball. I get 618 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: to brab big league baseball games and you know, so 619 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: I'm everywhere. It's great. 620 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 3: It's great to have you on the broadcast. I've made 621 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 3: that transition now too. I know it's probably pretty fun 622 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 3: to you to get to you get to talk about baseball. 623 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: What's better than that? Yeah, you can't really beat it. 624 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: And you get to watch a ball game too, right, 625 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,719 Speaker 1: So you're around the guys, you get to watch the game, 626 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 1: you get to teach, like you know, you have all 627 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: this like trying to specialized knowledge, like all I've done 628 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: my whole life is like study the game of baseball 629 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 1: and study how to get better, and so getting to 630 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: share a lot of that stuff that you learn through 631 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: you know, ten thousand at bats or whatever the case 632 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: may be. I don't remember exactly how many I had, 633 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: and and so many innings in the outfield, so it's 634 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: and Ruben you've watched probably more baseball than you've forgot, 635 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: more baseball than I've even seen. So it's been fun. 636 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 3: It's been fun, man, and I really appreciate you coming 637 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 3: on today, man and giving us your your experiences and 638 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 3: knowledge and uh and listen, make sure you just threw it, 639 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 3: throw it through the catcher. I might you know, you 640 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 3: don't want to be you don't be on one of 641 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 3: those memes. 642 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: You might throw one of the scutters on purpose and 643 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: just act like because I mean, you've seen my throat 644 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 1: like it's not pretty, so fish. 645 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 2: I remember Mitch Williams did that once, he fired one 646 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 2: to thirty feet to the top of the backstop in 647 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 2: the playoffs many years ago. 648 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: So and a warm up, yeah, yeah, in a warm 649 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: up intermination, and then let's start looking at your hand. 650 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: Get that guy digs in. Oh my gosh. I really 651 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: appreciate it, man. Yeah. 652 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 2: Thanks, Thank you again to hundred pence for the time. 653 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 2: I hope you guys got a kick out of some 654 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 2: of those stories. That was a lot of fun. Trade 655 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 2: deadline six pm. Whether the Phillies do something or not. 656 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 2: We will be back later this week to discuss it 657 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 2: and what it means for the Phillies going forward. Thanks everybody, 658 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 2: This is The Phillies Show. If you haven't already, please 659 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 2: subscribe to The Phillies Show wherever you get your podcasts. 660 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 2: You can also watch us on our YouTube channel. 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