WEBVTT - Deadly Ambition w/ Carolyn McCormick 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:04.160 Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:06.960 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.040 --> 0:00:10.400 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories. 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:31.960 Done done, Yay, that's messed up in sv podcast, coming 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:34.320 at you right at the correct speed. 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:36.080 I'm Lisa Trigger. 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:40.880 And I'm Kara Klank And every week it's SVU, it's 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:46.080 true crime, it's interviews, and it's chatting. And thank you 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:48.680 to so many of you who wrote us that the 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:51.440 stuff Lisa was talking about is called pre wrap. 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:53.920 Thank you so much. I will try to get some. 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:57.880 In the meantime, I'm back channeling to Rosie's coach and 0:00:57.920 --> 0:00:59.880 telling him that he needs to tell her she has 0:00:59.920 --> 0:01:02.639 to tie her hair up because she will listen to him, 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:04.600 but she won't listen to me, so we'll see what 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:07.280 he'll listen to him. She did her first practice and 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:09.679 her hair was just like hanging down. She was wearing 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:13.080 her little Dodger's hat. It's fucking crazy. In LA. They 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:16.520 we pay ten dollars for them to do baseball. They 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:21.319 get baseball socks, baseball pants, a practice jersey and away jersey, 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:23.520 a home jersey, and a Dodger hat, like and it 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:25.120 all has Dodger stuff on it. I mean, it's like 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:30.080 the Dodgers subsidizes it. But it's like amazing. And she 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:32.279 was just wearing her Dodger hat with her like mountain 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:34.360 of hair. She's also getting a haircut today, so she 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:38.759 needs to I'm sure not. She keeps going I want 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:40.680 like this, she wants like two inches off, but like 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:42.679 she just we just need to lighten it up for summer. 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:43.880 It's like a wall of hair. 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:46.600 She's a conundr. I just don't know, because I know 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:47.240 I don't know. 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:50.800 It's like Kelly Bensimon, like running with hair down, like 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:52.840 doing anything with hair down that's physical. 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:56.680 Is I can't even hair down. I bring a hair 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:58.880 clip for when I go out to eat, like I can't. 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:02.480 I don't want it anywhere near me If I don't 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:05.520 have a hair tie a hair clip something I start. 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:07.760 It's like sort of like you when I feel like 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:10.360 you have to use your somewhere where you can't pete readily. 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:12.600 I'm like panicking, like I'm like, what is this just 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:14.600 gonna be on my neck? Like I can't do it, 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:15.200 so and I don't know. 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:17.440 Where she came from and I'm becoming a cliche and 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:18.960 I'm sorry about this, but I did go to an 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:27.000 AMC twenty seven minutes of previews and ads. I would 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:28.960 have Pete in the middle. I could have never imagined 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:32.600 it would keep going. And then four commercials after the 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:33.960 twenty three minutes of previews. 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:38.440 It was like I and so I saw the drama. 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:41.480 Of course, I can't wait. I need to. I don't 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:43.600 want to know anything, but can I say the worst? 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:45.399 So I get to I knew I had to see 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:47.400 it immediately because of spoilers. Like I knew I had 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:49.240 to get to it, and I like, I liked the trailer. 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:51.600 It got me excited. So it's like, I gotta go 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:54.639 to the movies. Also Zindaa's and two trailers. While I'm 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:57.080 sitting there, she's a star, so not that anyone doesn't 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:01.720 know that, but anyways, so I go to the bathroom 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:04.600 obviously to pee before the movie. I sit down, look 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:08.320 at my phone and it's a spoiler. No first, it's 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:10.760 the and it's like, my phone obviously did that on purpose. 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:13.160 It knows what it's doing. The account didn't on purpose. 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:15.200 Why would that be the first thing on my phone? 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:17.720 I why wouldn't it be heated rivalry, Like, why wouldn't 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:18.639 it be something else. 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:20.280 That? 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:23.320 So I so, I was actually very annoyed. I was 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:26.639 truly moments away. And maybe that's like, I mean, we 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:30.120 already know, you know, phones are bad technology, it's a nightmare, 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:33.920 but that was like so fucked up to me. That's crazy. 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:38.240 Yeah wow, but now I get to be a part 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:39.640 of all of it. And it didn't ruin it, like 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:41.840 spoilers don't actually ruin stuff. But I was so excited 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:42.640 to be surprised. 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:45.680 They're so like, I mean, I keep hearing about this twist, 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:48.240 but I don't hear me, I hear it. It's it's 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:50.000 not a twist, like it's oh someone said it was 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:50.760 a big twist. 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:52.240 That it's because they're stupid. 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:55.600 It's like the it's it's set up that she's revealing 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:58.880 something crazy, and so she reveals something crazy, Like what's 0:03:58.920 --> 0:03:59.440 the twist. 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:02.520 We know she's gonna reveal something. 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:05.440 Okay, and maybe you didn't see coming what she's revealing. 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:08.400 Well that's the whole boy. Yeah, that's not the twist. 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:10.320 That's not a twist. A twist is I didn't know 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:12.920 what happened. We were gonna be surprised with her deepest, 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:16.120 darkest secret. That's what it sets up, and that's what 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:16.560 it was. 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:20.120 So anyone that's saying it's a twist is like confused 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:23.360 unless they saw a different trailer that didn't allude to 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:24.880 the secret and they thought it was a rom com 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:25.599 or something. 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:27.560 No, this was a friend of mine that saw it 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:29.480 and goes, there's just a big twist at the end. 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:30.320 That's like pretty big. 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:32.520 Cause I was like, oh why, what's because my friend 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:34.960 goes to somebody, oh, did you see the drama last night? 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:37.000 And I go, oh, why, what's happening? Like I was like, 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:38.640 what do you mean what drama? What's going on? 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:39.000 You know? 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:41.200 I want to like hear what the gossip is. And 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:43.839 they're like, no, no, the movie the drama And I go, oh, oh, sorry, 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:47.320 what's that And they were like, oh no, it's this 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:49.520 movie with Zendeia and Robert Pattinson. And I was like, 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:51.400 oh yeah, I've been seeing them on all their press 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:53.279 and she was like, oh, it just has like a 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:55.240 big twist in it. But we didn't really get into 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:56.800 it beyond that because I said, oh, don't tell me. 0:04:57.720 --> 0:04:58.520 No, but that's what I mean. 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:00.479 Maybe they didn't see the trailer at all and just 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:02.240 sort of like, I'm gonna go to a Zendea movie 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:04.080 and she's in address, so I think it's a rom 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:06.599 com And now I'm confused. But if you saw the 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:09.800 trailer I saw where it's what's the worst thing you've 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:13.280 ever done? And then everyone doesn't like her answer, Like 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:16.400 I don't know what would the twist would be, but 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:21.119 you know, I guess people were maybe extracting something else. 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:22.880 It is like weird. I don't know. I mean, but 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:25.240 it was it good? You liked it? I did, and 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:26.479 I would see it again. I mean. 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:29.640 The thing is like a friend called me and like 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:31.440 I saw her post about stuff and hate it and 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:33.200 she was like and then this and this, and I go, yeah, 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:35.840 but what if that's the point, Like what if your 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:38.400 reaction is the point? And like you're supposed to feel 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:41.280 these things, and like it is actually a good movie 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:44.120 even if you hate these things about it because you're 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:46.520 supposed to hate it, Like I don't know, it's interesting, 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:48.359 it's new. It's hard to see things that are like 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:51.680 haven't been done before. And I thought this was like that, 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:52.000 and I. 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:54.240 Liked the opening, like I was into it, and I 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:55.440 loved their little press run. 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:57.359 I don't know about Robert Pattinson. He seemed kind of 0:05:57.360 --> 0:05:59.760 boring to me. I'm obsessed with him now. Number I mean, 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:03.279 he's so fun and silly. And the Jennifer Lawrence pressed 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:05.120 he did, I'm like, Oh, he's like one of the girls, 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:06.119 and like, I like him. 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:08.760 I think he's like really silly from what I hear, 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:09.800 or he's really weird. 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:12.520 He's weird. Everyone's like he's weird, like you just don't 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:13.839 know what he's gonna. I like that. 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:17.120 I was never a Twilight person. I just talked to 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:19.159 ever something in the podcast. I don't like, I was 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:22.080 never a Twilight person. So I like Robert Pattinson. He's 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:24.080 been in and out for me. Do you watch Darling 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:30.760 Patre Oh the drama? No Twilight, Twilight. I've never seen it. 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:35.840 Oh interesting, And my soul cycle teacher loves it, so 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:37.800 i'd be more in the know in terms of. 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:39.159 Like the classes. 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:41.680 Yeah we should do that. Yeah let's watch twice one 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:43.919 but one movie per episode. I'm not watching like three. 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:47.680 Episodes, like no, we can of course not because I'm 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:51.880 reading now, so like I can't really I can't really 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:52.280 do that. 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:56.440 Well, yeah, And what's interesting that I was just talking 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:59.200 about with someone is like Twilight is what led to 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:01.440 fifty Shades of Great because fifty Shades of Gray was 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:07.599 based on fanfic fanfick of Twilight. But everybody was always 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:09.880 like that is written so badly, and it feels like 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:13.360 now we're in this moment of like everybody reading like 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:17.920 smut gay like gay hockey, Like everybody's reading like very smut. 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:21.360 Like there's all kinds of different, like sexy shit out there, 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:23.960 but I think it's now well written, and so someone 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:27.200 like the Fifty Shades Lady probably wouldn't make it now 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:29.720 because I don't know even think your shit has to 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.720 be sexy and be better ro people are still snobs because, 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:34.640 like I told someone even asked her, I'm like, ohyeah, 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:35.440 I finished all her books. 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:36.360 I'm doing these other books. 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:38.840 I'm on this book and she go, I go, yeah, 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:40.760 I'm like I'm really into them. She goes, well, they're 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:42.800 easy reads, that's why you're doing it fast. I'm like, 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:45.040 not easy for me, bitch, I'm reading pretty slowly, like 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:47.080 I don't know what to tell you. But and people 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:48.320 like to be like I heard, they're not that good. 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:49.920 I'm like, well they're good to me, Like people are 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:51.360 still annoying, I think, no matter what. 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:54.440 Yeah, Like a hard read is like where the author 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:57.840 stops for like like twenty pages and does like historical 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:00.960 research on like a time on like you know what 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:03.880 people were wearing back in seventeen seventy four, Like I 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:06.000 don't know. That's like that's the kind of shit Jared 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:08.160 read sometimes where I'm like, you're just like doing it 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:11.600 on hard mode to what brag Like it's yeah, I don't. Well, 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:14.680 if he retains information, that's cool. I just don't really 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:17.840 retain much, so I can't really be reading that kind 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:20.200 of in depth. I guess I do for our show. 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:24.080 You do retain a lot. I would say you're a retainer. 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:27.280 But when things go off. That's like a lot of books, 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:30.240 like things will go off into like other shit, and 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:32.360 I feel like that's what I like losing listen and. 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:34.719 I've read House of Leaves, Like if people want to 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:36.920 come at me, I've read Anne Rand, Like what do 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:38.280 you want, Like, I've done it. 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:41.000 I've done it. I've not read iin Rand before. I'm 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:42.120 just saying I have it. 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:44.440 It's in the library at my parents' house, Like I've 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:48.000 read these books, but right now I finished Starshiped. I 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:51.560 loved it. I'm onto her next book, kat Sebastian. She's 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:54.360 my new fave. It's called We Could Be So Good, 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:58.680 set in nineteen fifty eight. Newspaper reporters ooh all gay 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:02.400 gay of course, okay, okay, And I already bought her 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:06.600 next book, and it's Baseball, guys, and I'm ready for it. 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:13.400 It's baseball, my amazing No. 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:15.600 But people are always going to be snobs no matter 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:17.880 like if teen girls like it or women like it, 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:22.120 it's not going to be received well or treated as 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:23.080 something special. 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:23.800 Yeah. 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:29.120 Yeah, I saw in the movie Theater, the Mario movie. 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:31.079 Oh You're so lucky, because you know I have I 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:32.319 already have the Happy Meal toy. 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:35.200 I have one of the Happy mal so cute. 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:39.560 Random is it that Donald Glover is the voice of Yoshi. 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:42.920 He doesn't talk, He just makes squeaky noises, like he 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:47.200 doesn't say anything. He just goes like Yoshi. So it's 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:50.040 like get your money, Donald, But like it's just a 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:56.680 strange anyway. It was really overstimulated, you know, it's like 0:09:56.800 --> 0:10:05.560 very colorful and crazy. I also watched two episodes ago, 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:09.280 Craigan was on the fucking pit and he was so 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:14.120 good and I cried. He made me cry. It was 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:17.920 not even a like death episode. It was like literally 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:22.040 just he's he's like an older man and like him 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:24.320 and his what his way, Like he accidentally like hits 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:28.440 his wife with a car, like not not runs over her, 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:30.800 but like hurts her hip, you know. And it's like 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:32.760 his daughter, their daughter comes in and she's actually a 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:36.360 great actress from Glow and she's like, you guys, like 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:39.000 you have to go into assisted living, like you cannot, 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:41.720 Like you're not, You're just like can't live this way. 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:45.640 You're gonna keep hurting yourselves. And it's just they have 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:47.920 to like convince them. And it's just like he has 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:49.719 like a really sweet moment with like one of the 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:51.880 doctors about like getting old, and I just like was 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:53.040 he made cry. 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:53.760 He was so good. 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:57.000 And maybe it's because I have more emotion buried into 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:59.320 that actor than most people, but I thought he was 0:10:59.360 --> 0:10:59.840 really great. 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:03.360 Oh, people were raving, people were raving. I saw people 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:05.839 were going nuts. They like, yeah, they were excited to 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:09.000 see him. Yeah, it was great. It was really great. 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:12.520 And also Marishka's gonna be on Broadway. 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:14.160 I'm gonna be. 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:17.240 Saw Yeah, I gotta go, I gotta go. Yeah, I 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:19.360 don't know what her dream come true. It's so crazy. 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:22.120 It's like being I'm like, oh God, her dreams are 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:23.800 coming true, and it's like I know a few of 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:26.160 her dreams already have, but I'm still so happy for her. 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:28.480 Yeah, I mean, I'm surprised. 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:31.719 It's sort of taking it this so long and then 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:34.800 hopefully she could fucking hostess and now, like, what the 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:37.320 fuck do you think? When she saw Connor's story do 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:41.600 it so quickly, she was like, what the fuck I've 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:42.360 been begging. 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:44.679 Okay, you know the store in my neighborhood. Maybe you don't. 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:48.600 It's called Random Accessories. I go there to buy Kitchi 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:52.360 gift stickers whatever. So I get I get a set 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:55.640 of SVU pens. They're at the They're at this, They're 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:56.800 at the desk, the check out. 0:11:56.880 --> 0:11:57.160 Honor. 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:00.280 One is Reddit, says Benson and Stabler. One is white, 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:02.480 it says especially heinous. One's black says done. 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:04.640 Done. One is blue. It says that's messed up. 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:09.840 Like what, I just feel like iced teat like that 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:12.080 it was important enough for us to name our podcast 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:15.760 that but if the other ones are Benson, Stabler, especially 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:18.160 Heinous and Done Done, like for them to do a 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:22.040 niche that's messed up, Like are they using our podcast? 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:25.440 Like what is happening with these pens? Or am I 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:28.800 self involved? Am I too self absorbed? I don't know, 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:32.200 but I'm looking at here they are, this is the brand. 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:37.160 So what do you think I am interesting because it 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:39.160 is something. I mean, this person who made them could 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:42.400 be a big fan because I bought the I bought 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:45.319 some heated rivalry pins obviously too, so it's the same. 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:52.520 Can't read what it says. It says wow, genetic wow. 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:54.520 But yeah, so what are your thoughts? Like, am I 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:57.280 being crazy? Or are we being I. 0:12:57.320 --> 0:12:59.440 Mean, we have been around for five years. It's and 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:01.679 it's not the most I definitely think we had to 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:03.559 explain it to people at some people at the beginning. 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:06.400 I don't think everybody's like, oh yeah, because to not have. 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:12.319 Bells are fit, I don't know, especially Hainus, done Don 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:15.440 and Benson and Stabler are like not on the same 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:16.560 level as that's messed up. 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:18.160 Maybe they but what would have been. 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:21.520 Yes, That's what I'm trying to think, not in the 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:24.520 criminal justice system, like something from the Opening or like 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:28.200 or dedicated Detectives or like, I don't know, something like that, 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:31.280 maybe something from the Opening. I mean, the Opening is 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:35.360 the thing that's like everyone's sort of most iconic thing. 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:40.199 Sammy, Sammy Goren, Sammy Goren, what's your deal? 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:43.760 What's your deal with your little pens? Whatever? I bought them. 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:45.840 Either way, I bought them, you know, either way. 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:51.320 Oh, speaking of supporting the arts. So you know, the 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:54.040 weather's been nice in New York, and so I've been 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:57.800 sitting at the coffee shop, you know, enjoying the rays. 0:13:57.960 --> 0:13:59.680 And it was like a busy morning. And then I 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.559 sat down and had a few beers. And then one 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:05.160 of the other regulars hung up a poster at the 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:10.040 store next door for like a school that can't that's 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:12.880 doing Shrek the Musical but can't afford like set in 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:16.640 costumes with a QR code to donate. And I was like, sir, 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:19.600 you could have not hung this poster in front of 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:22.600 the more correct person. And I'm like, four beers in, 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:26.640 are you kidding me? So obviously we'll post this on 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:29.560 our Instagram. But obviously I about Cape's ears. Everything they 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:32.040 wanted they have like an Amazon link, and then I 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:34.200 sent it to all the theater people I know, and 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:37.320 so like all these comics and theater people are like donating, 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:40.280 and I hope we all go. But the guy ran 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:41.840 out from the coffee shop. He goes, we're going to 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:43.640 put you in the program. I go, you don't have 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:47.680 to do that. Like I'm just kind of drunk. I'm like, 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:50.400 it's fine. I didn't even give that much, but like. 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:52.440 It's so smart. 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:54.440 It's such a smart idea because people could just go 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:56.440 into Amazon and like buy things. 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:58.040 Yeah, it was so easy. 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:01.400 So we'll post the the photo of the poster because 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:02.560 obviously I can't shirlink. 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:04.160 You have to take a photo of the QR code. 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:06.760 I don't know how else to do it. But yeah, 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:10.560 PS thirty four. So I thought that was cute. So 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:12.840 if people want to get involved, yeah, yeah, send it 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:14.680 to me. I'll put it on the ist. And if 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:20.640 you guys want to give to the Shrek, yeah, Trek 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:21.400 the musical. 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:22.040 PS. 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:25.280 Thirty four, and then obviously I'm going but you know, 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:28.800 I sent it to Marshabelski, Jake Cornett, I sent you know, 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:32.640 John Marco, I sent it to people that Doran Anderson 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:33.640 donated immediately. 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:35.720 We're going, you know, like we have to support the 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:37.560 arts and we have to support them when they're young. 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:40.080 But now he like is always saying hi to me, 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:43.720 and I'm just like, sir, I'm not as friendly as 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:46.920 I am. Four beers in, you caught me, like you 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:49.360 really caught me at like a nice moment, but like. 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:54.120 Not at ten am. Honey, Yeah, this isn't gonna this 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:56.200 isn't going to continue. No, it will, it will. 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:58.360 I definitely want to be Oh, we haven't even talked 0:15:58.400 --> 0:15:59.960 about Amanda Batula and West Wilson. 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:01.400 Oh my gosh. 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:04.360 Yes, people have been messaging being like Lisa needs to 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:05.880 text West and get in front. 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:09.040 I'm like, okay, well I don't think that's happening, but no. 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:12.120 But I've been defending him, so I obviously feel like 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:15.960 really kind of you know, upset. I knew he was 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:18.200 a fuck boy, but I didn't think he was like 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:20.120 we were rooting for you, we were all rooting for you. 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:24.520 Well I'm bad. I'm more mad at Amanda because we 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:27.680 hate Kyle. I've hated Kyle for eleven seasons. This was 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:32.640 our opportunity to dunk on Kyle. Fuck you Kyle, you cheating, liar, loser, 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:36.000 You kept her down, you dj fuck you did nothing 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:36.800 for her birthday. 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:37.480 We hate you. 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:42.120 We were gonna have that moment a man, and now 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:45.640 he's like nice that he even gets to like that 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:47.840 he does a photo with her and it gets to 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:49.120 like be the good guy. 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:50.600 I'm livid. 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:53.960 I didn't even think about that point of view, because, 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:56.720 of course you're much more of a summerhouse scholar. 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:57.480 I don't really watch. 0:16:57.640 --> 0:16:59.640 Well, I haven't watched this season because, as you know, 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:00.960 I've been reading. 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:03.240 That's right, you're literary now. 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:08.639 But I literally was like, I was like, wow, Kyle 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:10.919 is coming out pretty good in all of this, because 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:12.879 they're stopping him on the street and he's looking like 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:16.200 a victim. Because now everyone thinks that this all started 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:19.240 maybe a lot longer ago than they're acting like it did. 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:20.120 Of course it did. 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:23.439 The des Moine June said, a seasonal house member is cheating. 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:25.720 Of course I assume it's a man. Of course I 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:28.040 assume it's Kyle, no doubt my fucking mind. 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:29.000 It was them. 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:34.199 It was them, of course it was them, Snake. So 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:36.080 in case anybody is listening, he doesn't know what we're 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:37.840 talking about. And also hasn't been on the internet. I 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:39.679 feel like I know people that don't even watch Bravo 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:42.240 that know about this, Like Mom Donnie has weighed in 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:44.959 on this, like this is literally like a cultural thing 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:45.480 that's happening. 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:47.880 Yeah, I have a group like a mess now. 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:50.720 People are saying it's like scandall, and it's like, you know, 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:54.520 it's start backing. It's not apples to apples up, but 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:58.720 it's like it's a similar situation, only in this sense 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:02.760 that it's like two people on Summerhouse have been married forever, 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:05.680 Kyle and Amanda. Lisa talked about them before. He's a shithead. 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:10.159 He went to my college and then Sierra, one of 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:11.840 the most beautiful women I've ever seen in my life, 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:14.200 was dating this guy West who's in the house. Lisa 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:16.800 was on Watch What Happens Live with him and he 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:20.000 was He kind of fucked her over, but then everyone 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:20.920 was kind of forgiving him. 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:22.879 But then he got back together with her almost this 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:23.480 current this. 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:26.600 Courrent season, they've just been like hanging out and vibing 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:28.800 and they were at the Super Bowl together and like, 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:31.040 at the end of the day, he did fuck up. 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:31.760 He led her on. 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:35.240 She was very adamant about saying like I don't fuck around, 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:37.320 like I only like to be in committed things for 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:39.760 sex and ye stuff. He took her to a wedding, 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:42.119 took her to his family's farm, and then was like no, 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:45.480 thank you. So like he got lured by the fame. 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:47.760 It was humiliating and so part of us. It wasn't 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:50.240 like hell, yeah, like hopefully Sierra can just date outside 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:53.359 of the fucking house. But it was like sweet because 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:56.120 we do like Wes. He's funny and charming and whatever. Yeah, 0:18:56.160 --> 0:19:00.280 So like it was nice that she was starting like 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:02.639 it was nice. It's nice to see, Yeah, I'll get along. 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:07.040 But essentially her best Amanda who got out of this 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:09.520 bad marriage that we've been waiting that everyone's been waiting 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:12.239 on her to get out of. And Sierra's holding her 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:14.479 hand the whole damn time, and then she goes and 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:17.680 start announces that oh my god, these feelings came out 0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:19.919 of nowhere and we just like developed we start and 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:23.159 so her in western dating now and everybody's really. 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:26.679 He's not even fuck they're like a sign relationship. He's 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:30.000 fucks around, he's not with her. The thing is, she 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:35.040 was about to have ad campaigns, the city shows. Coming out, 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:38.280 she lost business stuff, but also friendship, the future of 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:41.320 this show, like yeah, like we is Raquale for what for? 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:43.760 West Will said, there's no way he fucks that good, 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:46.000 Like you can't fuck anyone out of the house. We 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:49.119 were so I was so excited to see sexy, hot 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:53.160 single Amanda in the streets of New York. Fucking hot guys, 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:55.440 I know that, Like, why do I think they why 0:19:55.480 --> 0:19:59.199 do you think they announced, Like did an announcement like 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:03.160 oh because love instead I didn't going I thought love. 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:05.280 They didn't say love. It was a joint statement of 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:08.840 we're seeing what's up. Like it wasn't even like we're together. 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:11.400 That's right, But I think a joint statement means something. 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:13.720 To even come out with a joint statement means something. 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:17.000 Whereas she could have just said I fucked up. I'm 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:19.240 so sorry, Sira, I hooked up with him. Please forgive 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:21.480 me blah blah blah, instead of like give us privacy 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:24.439 while we navigate this, Like it just felt like she 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:26.960 they were treating it like a more serious relationship, Whereas 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:29.320 I think that's bad for everything in her life that 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:30.480 you just stated. 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:33.480 Like your business, her personal life, for friendships. It's but 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:35.480 now Siara's gonna get it all. 0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:38.320 Like everyone loves her, everyone's rooting for her, famous people 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:41.600 love her, like everyone loves her, and like she's already 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:44.280 being funny. In her Red Carpet interview, she was already working, 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:49.520 like she is already successful, smart person, and now she's 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:52.080 going to be catapulted by like that. And the reunion 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:54.960 is still has to film, which is exciting. Oh, I'll 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:56.880 tell you why the statement happened, so like I'll watch 0:20:56.920 --> 0:21:00.200 the rumors were happening. The rumors were happening, and then 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:05.760 the other cast members started posting shitty things and unfollowing. 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:08.760 And that's because West and Amanda were on a couple's trip. 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:11.840 Like that's what I get. So then they come back, 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:14.320 but it's like, girl, you had an Edie Parker ad 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:17.600 come out the same day of your joint. She like, 0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:22.000 you fucked over your best friend for no reason? Yeah, 0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:27.040 for no reason? So wait, did I already see I 0:21:27.040 --> 0:21:28.520 don't know if I saw you, guys, but like some 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:31.960 I'm like walking as the story is breaking, and I 0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:34.000 see a girl on a patio and Amanda is on 0:21:34.040 --> 0:21:36.359 her phone, and so I turned to the woman and 0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:39.480 I go, can you even fucking believe this? And she goes, 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:42.359 what what? And I go, oh, sorry, I saw your phone. Sorry, 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:43.919 I was like looking at your phone fully. But then 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:45.840 we ended up talking for like ten fifteen minutes about 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:46.320 the situation. 0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:53.359 Sorry, I was snooping on you, like looking at what 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:53.960 you're looking at. 0:21:54.040 --> 0:21:55.720 I just saw Amanda, but I'm like, can you believe? 0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:57.520 She goes they took down the ad, and I go 0:21:57.560 --> 0:21:59.920 and she looked fucking hot, but like she. 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:02.439 Is, they took down immediately. That's what I mean. 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:05.960 That day they posted a headless nothing of a model 0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:08.800 the T shirt hanging because like in Amanda's photos there's 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:10.840 under boob, which is like hot. This was like just 0:22:10.920 --> 0:22:14.040 the T shirt head chopped off and it said a 0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:17.680 lot can change in a day. And then Edie Parker 0:22:17.800 --> 0:22:20.760 sent me stuff. I love Edie Parker and so and 0:22:20.800 --> 0:22:23.119 I've bought for Edie Parker before they even sent me stuff, 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:25.919 and I DMed them and they just they didn't they 0:22:26.000 --> 0:22:27.320 didn't give me any information. 0:22:27.440 --> 0:22:28.960 But I tried, guys, I tried. 0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:34.800 Yeah, I'm of course, yeah, that's a crazy like take 0:22:34.880 --> 0:22:37.280 though it's a great take that I didn't realize is 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:39.119 like this could have been This could have been the 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:41.280 time for Kyle to finally get. 0:22:41.040 --> 0:22:43.000 And the girls. It's oh accountability. 0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:45.200 It's like when the girl it's like, it reminds me 0:22:45.240 --> 0:22:47.200 of Lalla and Sheena going with Sandaval and it's like 0:22:47.200 --> 0:22:49.000 a man. It's like, it's what we always say, don't 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:51.200 go to jail for a man. It's like, whenever you 0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:53.600 center or put a man in front of girls in 0:22:53.640 --> 0:22:56.960 your life and your business and your everything, this is 0:22:56.960 --> 0:23:01.040 what happens. Yeah, has no one's seen the movie Burian, Like, 0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:05.520 this is what happens when you do that. 0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:08.000 That's what happens. You get fucked, You get fucked. 0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:12.560 Yeah, I think, like I didn't even I don't even 0:23:12.600 --> 0:23:14.719 know Sierra very well from Summer House. I love her 0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:16.920 from Traders. I thought she was so fun on Traders. 0:23:16.920 --> 0:23:18.919 I think she's only gonna get it. She's gonna be 0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:21.760 like Ariana, she's gonna be hosting shit, she's gonna be 0:23:21.920 --> 0:23:25.400 and like the housewives love her, like everyone fucking loves her. 0:23:25.800 --> 0:23:26.280 Oh my god. 0:23:26.359 --> 0:23:28.680 So I walk into the cellar and Alicia, one of 0:23:28.720 --> 0:23:31.000 the managers, goes, oh my god, I've been thinking about 0:23:31.000 --> 0:23:33.480 you all day, And I go, oh my god, the 0:23:33.720 --> 0:23:37.480 Connor story of Horizon Ad and she goes, what, no, 0:23:37.920 --> 0:23:40.879 she goes Amanda and West and I go, yeah, yeah. 0:23:40.760 --> 0:23:42.720 Yeah, for sure, for sure. Oh my god. 0:23:43.080 --> 0:23:47.159 It's like so embarrassed. Not really the Verizon Ad. 0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:50.560 Well, I went to see a movie at the Film Forum, 0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:55.080 so obviously you know they're really they're really snop. 0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:56.200 What's it called pretentious? 0:23:56.200 --> 0:23:56.280 There? 0:23:56.320 --> 0:23:58.119 I would say, yeah, yeah, what'd you see? 0:23:58.240 --> 0:24:01.000 I saw a Russian movie, you know, I know, and 0:24:01.240 --> 0:24:03.879 both my teacher and my parents went, don't go see that, 0:24:04.560 --> 0:24:05.760 And of course I saw it. 0:24:05.760 --> 0:24:08.200 It's gonna haunt me forever. I will never be the same. 0:24:08.400 --> 0:24:12.639 It's like the movie The Pianist, and I think about it, like, 0:24:12.680 --> 0:24:15.160 I'm really upset right now. Yeah, just even sad World 0:24:15.160 --> 0:24:18.399 War two. It's nineteen thirty seven. Yeah, but it's the 0:24:18.440 --> 0:24:20.640 movie came out this year. It's like a guy that's 0:24:20.680 --> 0:24:22.719 like a contemporary actors in it with all. It's called 0:24:22.760 --> 0:24:28.960 Two Prosecutors and it's a Russian documentarian or Ukrainian I 0:24:29.000 --> 0:24:31.720 don't remember. But and then he made this movie and 0:24:31.760 --> 0:24:35.280 it's about the Gulas my mom and it was like 0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:37.720 a seventy degree day. So like the fact that I 0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:39.400 went at three pm and then exited. 0:24:39.720 --> 0:24:43.639 Just really yeah, it's playing here at the Lemley so 0:24:43.680 --> 0:24:47.679 it's I know, the Film Forum. I mean it's like 0:24:47.760 --> 0:24:52.480 a very like indie like very you know, heady movies. 0:24:53.200 --> 0:24:55.760 I'd like to tell you everyone was alone, So if 0:24:55.760 --> 0:24:58.400 you were wondering if there was anyone everyone. 0:24:58.000 --> 0:24:59.800 There was not a date, including my friend. 0:25:01.280 --> 0:25:03.919 But I was wondering if everyone else spoke Russian or not. 0:25:04.119 --> 0:25:06.600 I don't think so, but like I liked catch like 0:25:06.720 --> 0:25:09.240 the subtitles didn't always translate to the words, so like 0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:11.480 I kind of that's why I went, was to like 0:25:11.560 --> 0:25:17.000 listen to Russian and I left really changed forever. 0:25:17.680 --> 0:25:20.679 Have you thought about starting to listen to labadah the 0:25:20.760 --> 0:25:23.439 person that Katia is obsessed with some of that music. 0:25:23.600 --> 0:25:25.920 I yeah, yeah, I should just listen to some fun 0:25:26.000 --> 0:25:28.800 music instead of yeah, let's listen to a little Labba Da. 0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:33.720 But okay, let's get started. 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This episode is so fucking infuriating 0:26:21.320 --> 0:26:23.920 because you know, it's a Kim Rolins episode. So it's 0:26:23.920 --> 0:26:26.840 season fourteen, episode fifteen. 0:26:26.480 --> 0:26:28.800 And this is the thing, like with the Mel Robbins 0:26:28.880 --> 0:26:30.760 and all these motherfuckers that are like, you have to 0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:33.600 forgive your family, and it's like, no, you fucking don't, No, 0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:36.280 you damn Rollins to the curb. 0:26:36.920 --> 0:26:39.159 Get her out of your fucking life, Get her out 0:26:39.200 --> 0:26:43.680 of your life. Yeah, no, just you know her family. Yeah, 0:26:43.720 --> 0:26:46.520 there's yeah, it's really well. 0:26:46.560 --> 0:26:49.320 And then obviously we love Lindsay Pulsifer and you know 0:26:49.400 --> 0:26:52.439 this character does have bipolar or whatnot, but yes. 0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:54.280 Which we find out later, but at this point in time, 0:26:54.280 --> 0:26:55.879 we're allowed to be angry with her because we do 0:26:55.920 --> 0:26:59.200 not know that yet. Okay, so we open on Finn 0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:03.840 and Rollins hallway mid domestic shots fired. She's calling back up. 0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:06.800 They're waiting on ESU, but Finn, here's a woman screaming, 0:27:06.840 --> 0:27:09.160 and he does not wait when that's happening. So they 0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:12.120 bust into this apartment and the door honestly seems unlocked 0:27:12.160 --> 0:27:15.679 and Ajar so a bad criminal. And this guy in 0:27:15.720 --> 0:27:18.760 a beanie is standing over a woman screaming. Rollins tells 0:27:18.800 --> 0:27:21.399 him to freeze, and he goes, bitch, you better bounce 0:27:21.480 --> 0:27:24.119 to Rollins, which is like, she's a detective with a 0:27:24.160 --> 0:27:26.720 fucking gun in your face, and he's like, he's like 0:27:26.960 --> 0:27:29.440 a woman, I don't think so you get the fuck 0:27:29.480 --> 0:27:32.080 out of here, bitch, Like I'll deal with ice. 0:27:32.600 --> 0:27:33.960 So anyway, he's got nerve. 0:27:34.680 --> 0:27:37.679 Finn is not having it when when you insult his partner, 0:27:37.760 --> 0:27:40.080 no thanks, and he push it. But you know what 0:27:40.160 --> 0:27:42.879 they're really setting the scene for how much Finn always has. 0:27:42.960 --> 0:27:46.120 Rolins back pushes the dude against the wall and says 0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:48.600 where the gun's, bitch, And then the guy is like 0:27:48.640 --> 0:27:51.520 struggling against Finn, Rollins is screaming, do not resist, and 0:27:51.560 --> 0:27:55.280 then the screaming lady calmly goes detective and when they 0:27:55.320 --> 0:27:57.320 turn around, she has a gun pointed at them and 0:27:57.320 --> 0:28:01.480 fires two shots and shell of all that adrenaline that 0:28:01.520 --> 0:28:03.640 you have because no, our faves are not being murdered. 0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:07.240 This is a simulation so Silence of the Lamb style, 0:28:07.280 --> 0:28:10.720 which you know, I take any opportunity to bring up 0:28:10.760 --> 0:28:12.040 Silence of the Lambs. 0:28:11.680 --> 0:28:13.560 But yeah, who are we talking to? And they're like, 0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:15.000 have you seen Silence of the Lambs? 0:28:15.000 --> 0:28:17.840 And it's like are you Like yeah, I was like 0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:20.080 I have I committed it to memory. 0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:21.919 Also, yeah, have you seen this video? 0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:24.040 It's like someone with a stuffed bunny from the back 0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:26.080 and it says, do you think it's a bunny? 0:28:26.280 --> 0:28:27.960 You think it's a bunny? And then they turn around 0:28:28.000 --> 0:28:29.600 and it's Winnie the Pooh and a bunny. 0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:35.760 Outfit and she goes, no, it's Winnie the Pooh. Yeah, yeah, no, 0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:40.200 I'm not saying that. And it comes in my feet 0:28:40.200 --> 0:28:44.440 ever so often, but this week I just keep going, yeah, yeah, 0:28:44.480 --> 0:28:49.240 it's Winnie the Pooh. Well that's why these people are 0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:52.680 basically doing too Rollin's and Ben they're like, yeah, you 0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:57.600 guys are dead, So basically, yeah, if you remember, like 0:28:57.680 --> 0:29:00.000 in Silence of the Lambs, like you know, they're like, damn, 0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:03.520 you're dead, Clarice whatever, like, so the camera cuts wide. 0:29:03.560 --> 0:29:06.520 This is a very elaborate set, like basically they probably 0:29:06.560 --> 0:29:09.160 are just shooting the set of the show and uh, 0:29:09.840 --> 0:29:12.880 and Finn is teasing Amanda forgetting God. But then beady 0:29:12.920 --> 0:29:15.560 guy is like, dude, you were next USVU detectives tend 0:29:15.600 --> 0:29:17.880 to see women as victims, like you can't turn your back. 0:29:18.800 --> 0:29:21.520 And then he gets interrupted by Amorrow, who's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:23.960 we got it. Let's go my turn, let's rock and roll, 0:29:24.000 --> 0:29:26.400 and Benson goes, I have to go with him, like 0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:28.360 he's he's p she's pissed. She has to do the 0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:31.200 simulation with Tomorrow and Daddy Craigan is smiling at his 0:29:31.280 --> 0:29:34.800 kids bickering, and now they're all target shooting at a 0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:35.360 gun range. 0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:36.000 It's kind of fun. 0:29:36.080 --> 0:29:38.160 You got like the main four just bang bang bang 0:29:38.200 --> 0:29:41.560 shooting some guns at tart at paper targets. And Craigan 0:29:41.680 --> 0:29:44.760 is like, Finn, the point is to avoid civilian casualties, 0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:47.880 and Finn's like, if I'm shooting, I'm emptying the whole gat. 0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:50.640 I don't really understand, like what's happening, Like, is the 0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:52.320 problem that he used too many bullets, or that he 0:29:52.440 --> 0:29:55.080 was actually spraying bullets everywhere and that people could die 0:29:55.520 --> 0:29:58.920 tomorrow does pretty well. Benson fucking nails it, duh. But 0:29:59.120 --> 0:30:03.680 Rollins is Annie Oakley okay close to perfect Annie Oakley. 0:30:03.720 --> 0:30:06.680 I only think about Alyssa Edwards from like Annie Oakley 0:30:06.680 --> 0:30:07.920 doesn't exist to me anymore. 0:30:08.360 --> 0:30:13.440 Yeah, only Alyssa Edwards with a gun. Alyssa. Try to 0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:17.520 watch Psych really? Yeah, it's like on a street, you know. 0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:20.360 I'm trying to find something to grasp me from my 0:30:20.400 --> 0:30:22.760 heat of Like I'm not watching Heat of Rivalry. So 0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:25.480 I have some semblance of the facts and like dignity, 0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:30.040 but nothing else is hitting in any way. 0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:34.400 So I thought, I tried Psych, and I don't think 0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:35.920 it's for me. I don't think it's gonna be I 0:30:35.960 --> 0:30:39.280 don't think it's going to do the trick. I don't 0:30:39.280 --> 0:30:42.800 think it's gonna do the trick. I mean, I will 0:30:42.840 --> 0:30:45.000 be honest. When I was a page at NBC, my 0:30:45.040 --> 0:30:47.840 friend I worked at USA, and my friend gave me 0:30:48.600 --> 0:30:50.920 the script to Psych, and I read the pilot and 0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:52.840 was like, this is so dorky, Like this is not 0:30:52.840 --> 0:30:55.400 gonna go anywhere, And then it literally ran for like. 0:30:55.320 --> 0:30:56.480 Six seasons in a movie. 0:30:57.360 --> 0:30:59.360 It was like, I was like, maybe I'm not meant 0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:01.480 to be an executive because I think this show seems 0:31:01.520 --> 0:31:04.560 really dorky. But people love psych. People love psych. Okay, 0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:08.920 So Rollins is Annie Oakley. Her shots are all kill 0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:11.840 shots right in the center, grouped so close together, like 0:31:11.920 --> 0:31:13.240 she's got away with a gun. 0:31:13.320 --> 0:31:13.720 Okay. 0:31:14.200 --> 0:31:16.960 Cut to Amanda getting home to her apartment. The door 0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:20.600 is ajar. She asks, who's there? Why are you asking 0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:22.960 who's there? It's New York City. If someone's in your apartment, 0:31:23.000 --> 0:31:26.640 it's most likely a fucking person robbing you or something 0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:29.440 like you're Rowins. It's not like you gave your keys 0:31:29.480 --> 0:31:32.720 to a bunch of friends. So she goes, who's there? 0:31:32.720 --> 0:31:35.600 She's about to draw her weapon, turns on the lights, 0:31:36.200 --> 0:31:37.720 and who do we have here? 0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:38.920 But Kim Rowins. 0:31:39.320 --> 0:31:42.800 Weird as fuck standing in pitch black in Amanda's living room, 0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:46.880 wearing sunglasses and earbuds. Why are you standing in darkness? 0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:50.800 Maybe waiting for maybe having a migraine, maybe having a smoothie, 0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:52.719 waiting for a smoothe to get there from an intern, 0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:55.880 But like it's very weird, and she's like, hey, sis, 0:31:55.960 --> 0:31:58.680 I obviously surreptitiously made a key to your apartment the 0:31:58.720 --> 0:32:00.880 last time I was here, like a totally normal sister. 0:32:00.960 --> 0:32:03.360 Is that cool with you? And Rollins is like, what's 0:32:03.440 --> 0:32:06.280 up with the sunglasses? It's ten pm. She takes them 0:32:06.320 --> 0:32:08.920 off to reveal obviously cut Spruce's black guy. 0:32:09.680 --> 0:32:11.000 Is it Jeff? He hit you? 0:32:11.680 --> 0:32:14.680 And Kim tells Amanda She's like, stop being a cop 0:32:14.720 --> 0:32:18.360 for a second. I've got great news. I'm pregnant. You're 0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:22.440 going to be an aunt. Amanda clearly has mixed feelings, 0:32:22.480 --> 0:32:24.600 but this is, you know, not great news when you 0:32:24.600 --> 0:32:26.760 first show the shiner and then you show that you 0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:30.520 say that you're pregnant with the you know man that 0:32:30.560 --> 0:32:33.720 gave you the shiner. So at this point, this is 0:32:33.760 --> 0:32:36.120 only the second episode we've seen Kim Rollins in. Okay, 0:32:36.160 --> 0:32:39.200 we've already We've covered Friending Emily. That's the introduction of 0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:42.440 this That's where we had her Lindsay Pulsa for the 0:32:42.440 --> 0:32:45.200 actress right on friending Emily and then. 0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:47.600 Which one that was earlier this season? 0:32:47.760 --> 0:32:49.280 All right, yeah, so that's when we had her on 0:32:49.400 --> 0:32:51.360 was the friend of Emily episode earlier in this season? 0:32:51.640 --> 0:32:55.400 Then she's in season seventeen obviously the fluid episode iconic, 0:32:55.880 --> 0:32:59.200 and then you know later she's in heightened emotions and 0:32:59.200 --> 0:33:01.880 then Eternal really from pain, which I forget is an 0:33:01.920 --> 0:33:05.640 episode where her doctor she's being extorted. Fore she's being 0:33:05.640 --> 0:33:09.680 sexually assaulted in exchange for painkillers or medication that she needs. 0:33:10.040 --> 0:33:16.800 So yeah, Sound's family really is just mean a series 0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:19.520 of white trash events after another, like I don't know, 0:33:19.560 --> 0:33:19.840 and the. 0:33:19.800 --> 0:33:22.840 Hits keep coming, the mom, the dad, like there's. 0:33:22.480 --> 0:33:25.320 Nobody, and then and then it's like, finally Rollins finds 0:33:25.400 --> 0:33:28.360 love and family in this like beautiful unit she's always 0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:30.880 wanted and then he's held up in a corner start. 0:33:31.280 --> 0:33:32.520 Like he's held up in a deli. 0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:34.800 She's the new She's like walking in the line of 0:33:34.880 --> 0:33:37.480 Benson and the shoes of Benson of just like no joy, 0:33:37.600 --> 0:33:40.880 constant drama. Your siblings will ruin your lifetime and time 0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:43.520 again and will not like let you bond over your 0:33:43.520 --> 0:33:45.240 bad parent together, Like what the fuck? 0:33:45.560 --> 0:33:48.040 Like, yeah, life is suffering, you will never have peace 0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:54.560 and happiness. Yeah, so that's so the like that, what. 0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:56.640 Does that merch? Your life is suffering and you will 0:33:56.640 --> 0:33:59.480 never have peace? Is that what you say? Should we 0:33:59.520 --> 0:34:03.120 put that on that round piece or happiness life is suffering. Yeah, 0:34:03.160 --> 0:34:04.840 we can put that on merch out. That sounds great, 0:34:04.880 --> 0:34:06.400 maybe like a like. 0:34:06.320 --> 0:34:11.919 A a swinging crop top. Okay, so we're at that. 0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:13.960 That's the end of the cold open is like the 0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:16.760 pregnancy news. So now we're just chilling in Amanda's apartment 0:34:17.200 --> 0:34:19.399 living room, like Kim's icing her face with. 0:34:19.400 --> 0:34:21.360 Some corn or whatever, like a bag of peas. 0:34:21.800 --> 0:34:24.799 And then turns out the shitty boyfriend Jeff is the 0:34:24.840 --> 0:34:27.080 father and he's on his way to New York and 0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:29.160 she's like, I don't know, Amanda, he won't listen to me. 0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:32.000 And Amanda's like, he'll listen to me. And then she 0:34:32.040 --> 0:34:33.960 gives her sister the bedroom and says she'll sleep on 0:34:34.000 --> 0:34:37.439 the couch, and Kim's like, I'm so lucky to have you, Amanda. 0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:39.680 But it's also like, you're both sisters. Why aren't you 0:34:39.680 --> 0:34:43.239 sharing a bed? That's what I think that can share 0:34:43.280 --> 0:34:45.360 about immediately. My sister and I are literally sharing a 0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:46.200 bed this weekend. 0:34:46.560 --> 0:34:50.040 But like it's I don't know, like but I think 0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:52.520 it might be because she's pregnant or something that she's 0:34:52.520 --> 0:34:54.440 trying to give her, like the full night's sleep and 0:34:54.440 --> 0:34:57.680 be like chivalrous or something to like the pregnant woman. 0:34:58.080 --> 0:35:02.080 I don't know so, but you know, we already know 0:35:02.120 --> 0:35:05.600 the truth about Kim. But even if you sort of don't, 0:35:05.640 --> 0:35:07.400 it's like everything that comes out of her mouth like 0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:09.760 I think this actress does a good job, because everything 0:35:09.800 --> 0:35:11.760 that comes out of her mouth is like I should 0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:14.520 believe you, but it doesn't feel like it's genuine at all. 0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:17.799 So at the precinct, Rollins is late and Finn's like, 0:35:17.840 --> 0:35:21.600 I covered for you again, much like much like going 0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:23.600 after the guy who called her a bitch in the 0:35:23.640 --> 0:35:28.080 first scene, Fin's got her back, and so Rollins tells 0:35:28.120 --> 0:35:30.080 the gang about how her sister's knocked up with the 0:35:30.120 --> 0:35:32.880 abusive X and Benson's like, you got to get her 0:35:32.880 --> 0:35:34.920 a temper straining order. Amar's like, why don't me and 0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:37.240 Finn go talk to the guy Manda Man and Rollins 0:35:37.400 --> 0:35:39.440 is like, y'all, I don't need you getting dragged into 0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:41.719 my messy family drama. But Finn's like, again, We've got 0:35:41.719 --> 0:35:45.080 your back. So they really they really love Rowlins over there, 0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:47.840 She's they are truly the SVU squad is the family 0:35:48.160 --> 0:35:51.839 that she deserves but never had. At a bar called 0:35:51.920 --> 0:35:54.760 Kevin's with a why don't know why they made that choice. 0:35:55.840 --> 0:35:59.640 Jeff is sitting there having a beer. Amar and Finn 0:35:59.640 --> 0:36:03.120 approach and they're like, Kim's not coming, big guy, and 0:36:03.200 --> 0:36:06.719 he knows Amanda is behind this, and he's like, she's crazy. 0:36:07.120 --> 0:36:09.160 And then he's telling them Kim called me. She told 0:36:09.160 --> 0:36:10.120 me to come to New York. 0:36:10.000 --> 0:36:11.839 And they're like, was that before or after you gave 0:36:11.880 --> 0:36:14.000 her a black eye? If you touch her again, we'll 0:36:14.040 --> 0:36:17.040 send you back to Georgia in a sling. So yeah, 0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:19.520 I wouldn't fuck with those two guys. So cuts to 0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:22.680 Kim and Amanda shopping for baby clothes. I mean, okay, 0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:25.279 it's a little premature, but she tells Kim that the 0:36:25.320 --> 0:36:29.040 guys went and spoke to baby daddy Jeff, and Amanda's 0:36:29.080 --> 0:36:32.000 like talking to her. So I'm gonna start calling her 0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:34.320 Amanda now and not Rowlins, because there's two rowins Is 0:36:34.360 --> 0:36:36.759 throughout that episode, just so everyone doesn't get confused, she's 0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:39.279 Amanda now. So Amanda's like, oh, do you want a 0:36:39.280 --> 0:36:41.040 boy or a girl? Has the doctor told you that? 0:36:41.120 --> 0:36:42.920 And she's like, oh, I said I didn't want to know, 0:36:43.040 --> 0:36:44.640 And then she just talks about how amazing it's going 0:36:44.719 --> 0:36:46.560 to be to have a baby. And Amanda's like, yeah, 0:36:46.600 --> 0:36:48.400 it's like not easy to do on your own. And 0:36:48.440 --> 0:36:50.840 Kim's like, but I have you right. It's like wait, 0:36:51.120 --> 0:36:52.480 I mean, are we all going to live like a 0:36:52.480 --> 0:36:55.200 family of three on my cop salary? And Jeff comes 0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:57.920 busting into the baby store like, hey, I got something 0:36:57.960 --> 0:37:01.440 to say to you, like very aggressive. There are onesies everywhere. 0:37:01.480 --> 0:37:04.440 You can just take the temperature down, sir. And Amanda's like, 0:37:04.640 --> 0:37:06.680 how did you find us? And he goes, he says 0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:09.400 the most twenty thirteen thing possible. He goes, if you 0:37:09.440 --> 0:37:11.200 don't want to be found, then don't check in on 0:37:11.320 --> 0:37:13.880 four square obsessed. 0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:16.279 I mean I never did four Square, but it is 0:37:16.400 --> 0:37:19.040 so early. I played four Square as a kid. 0:37:19.360 --> 0:37:22.080 Yeah, like yeah, like class stack, but like being the 0:37:22.120 --> 0:37:23.480 mayor of like a location. 0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:25.719 I don't even know what it is. I just assume you. 0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:27.880 Would be you did four Square, now you would be 0:37:27.960 --> 0:37:30.719 the mayor of that coffee shop where you're friends with 0:37:30.760 --> 0:37:32.759 them that like, you would be the. 0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:34.839 Mayor of that Yeah I didn't pay for mine today 0:37:34.920 --> 0:37:37.160 or yesterday. Yeah, that's mayor behavior. 0:37:38.320 --> 0:37:41.239 So I give them more cash than I could ever 0:37:41.480 --> 0:37:45.759 than the coffees could ever costs. It's like never, actually, 0:37:46.520 --> 0:37:47.240 but that's fine. 0:37:47.560 --> 0:37:50.960 Yeah. 0:37:51.200 --> 0:37:54.239 So he's shit yelling at her for checking in on 0:37:54.400 --> 0:37:57.200 four square, and like, Amanda looks at Kim like girl, 0:37:57.239 --> 0:37:58.920 and she goes it was just a shout out to 0:37:58.920 --> 0:38:01.800 my girls at the Huddle House, which I had to google. 0:38:02.719 --> 0:38:04.239 I didn't know what the Huddle House was. 0:38:04.320 --> 0:38:06.840 And it's a restaurant chain with two hundred and seventy 0:38:06.840 --> 0:38:09.040 two locations in twenty one states. But I guess they're 0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:11.120 headquartered in Atlanta, which makes sense. Have you ever been 0:38:11.160 --> 0:38:11.879 to one on the road? 0:38:12.160 --> 0:38:13.520 No, I'm about to look it up. I want to 0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:15.640 use that's like such a fun name. 0:38:15.760 --> 0:38:19.359 Yeah, the Little Huddle House. So Amanda tells Jeff to leave, 0:38:19.400 --> 0:38:22.800 but he tells her to butt out. This new MVP 0:38:22.960 --> 0:38:26.960 All Star wrap looks incredible. Wait, what kind of food 0:38:27.040 --> 0:38:27.200 is it? 0:38:27.239 --> 0:38:27.439 Even? 0:38:27.440 --> 0:38:28.080 I didn't even like. 0:38:28.160 --> 0:38:30.759 Look it looks like a Denny's style Yeah, yeah, like 0:38:30.800 --> 0:38:31.359 an ie hoop. 0:38:33.239 --> 0:38:34.759 Yeah. I was thinking it would be a place to 0:38:34.760 --> 0:38:38.000 get like anice pancake or something, but fried waffle basket. 0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:42.879 So Amanda tells Jeff to leave. Kim's like, Jeff, we're done, 0:38:42.960 --> 0:38:45.520 and Amanda's like, stay away from her, and he goes, 0:38:46.000 --> 0:38:47.800 or what, you're gonna pull your gun on me in 0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:50.160 a baby store. He's the one screaming, I mean, he's 0:38:50.200 --> 0:38:52.840 screaming about her having a gun, I mean, and Amanda 0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:56.720 keeps it cool. She goes, you're not getting another warning, loser, 0:38:57.160 --> 0:38:59.120 So he says it ain't over. This ain't over by 0:38:59.160 --> 0:39:01.640 a long shot. Music is swelling. This is not going 0:39:01.640 --> 0:39:04.640 anywhere good. So back at the apartment, Amanda's helping Kim 0:39:04.680 --> 0:39:08.040 fill out her paperwork for the restraining order. They're discussing 0:39:08.040 --> 0:39:10.719 how Jeff has access to guns, but he's not dumb 0:39:10.800 --> 0:39:12.399 enough to bring one to New York City. He knows 0:39:12.400 --> 0:39:14.680 they're like the new gun laws. So I guess at 0:39:14.680 --> 0:39:18.280 the time of this episode, like twenty thirteen, late twenty twelve, 0:39:18.640 --> 0:39:21.480 like New York gun laws, we're getting more strict. So 0:39:22.280 --> 0:39:25.040 Amanda snaps a picture of Kim's face, like her beat 0:39:25.120 --> 0:39:27.920 up injuries, because she's like, I need proof for the judge. 0:39:28.160 --> 0:39:30.960 So now we're sitting in the chambers of Judge Ruth Linden, 0:39:31.000 --> 0:39:33.520 who you may recognize as the judge who primarily handled 0:39:33.520 --> 0:39:37.960 Benson's adoption of Noah. The actress is Jane hudoshell, she's wonderful. 0:39:38.400 --> 0:39:42.479 What I just I just popped in to say, legend, legend? Yes, 0:39:43.000 --> 0:39:46.840 I saw her in a play once. She's amazing. She's 0:39:46.960 --> 0:39:49.839 concerned that none of these incidents took place in New York, 0:39:49.960 --> 0:39:52.839 but Amanda's sworn statement does carry weight with her, so 0:39:52.880 --> 0:39:55.160 she hands over the order and tells Amanda, don't serve 0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:59.600 this yourself. And then as they leave, Amanda tells Kim 0:39:59.680 --> 0:40:03.680 that and Finn are about to serve Jeff this restraining order, 0:40:03.680 --> 0:40:05.320 and Kim's like, right now, I should give him a 0:40:05.320 --> 0:40:07.480 heads up, and a man is like, Babe, no, you 0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:09.640 can't go near him or talk to him, Like, I'll 0:40:09.640 --> 0:40:11.920 explain all the ins and outs of it to you later, 0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:14.719 and Kim's like, okay, great, you want to have dinner later. 0:40:14.880 --> 0:40:16.920 There's like a recurring theme of Kim trying to get 0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:21.279 free meals from people so fun throughout the episode, like 0:40:21.760 --> 0:40:25.880 she's really really like hard up for some food. Benson 0:40:25.960 --> 0:40:28.719 and Finn show up to what looks like not even 0:40:28.760 --> 0:40:31.120 a hotel or a hostile It looks like a dilapidated 0:40:31.160 --> 0:40:33.239 dorm room, like there's a corkboard on the wall, Like 0:40:33.280 --> 0:40:35.680 I don't really know why there would be a corkboard 0:40:35.680 --> 0:40:38.799 in any kind of hotel, but maybe a hostel, and 0:40:38.840 --> 0:40:42.239 they serve Jeff the restraining order. I couldn't see this 0:40:42.280 --> 0:40:44.440 in the earlier part of the episode because he was 0:40:44.440 --> 0:40:46.320 wearing a beanie, but he is a ginger with a 0:40:46.400 --> 0:40:50.160 light ginger facial hair situation as well, and he's like, geez, 0:40:50.280 --> 0:40:52.880 is everyone in this town in cahoots with Kim's sister? 0:40:53.280 --> 0:40:55.360 And it's like, first of all, yes, you simply cannot 0:40:55.400 --> 0:40:57.680 beat up a woman who is related to a detective of. 0:40:57.680 --> 0:41:01.560 New York bed's most elite squad? Are you my favorite? Though? 0:41:01.560 --> 0:41:03.839 This is my favorite. I love when he's like. 0:41:04.400 --> 0:41:08.959 You all know, Amanda, Yeah, yeah, you literally are doing 0:41:09.000 --> 0:41:10.480 the crime we specialize in. 0:41:10.640 --> 0:41:13.720 Stop Like, sorry, I was giving me attention. 0:41:14.400 --> 0:41:16.480 What'd you say? I said, I'm sorry, I was texting 0:41:16.480 --> 0:41:17.840 my niece, was giving me attention. 0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:21.080 You have to stop, you have to stop dropping roll 0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:26.879 when that happened, and I understand, Okay, So and then 0:41:27.200 --> 0:41:30.080 not only are you like dumb, like fucking with the 0:41:30.160 --> 0:41:31.960 s view, but then I'm also buying that this guy 0:41:32.000 --> 0:41:34.280 knows the term in cahoots like I just as a person, 0:41:34.480 --> 0:41:37.480 don't I don't buy that. He knows that, so they 0:41:37.520 --> 0:41:40.480 tell him don't violate the order and he's like, I'm 0:41:40.480 --> 0:41:42.600 a victim too, I need an order of protection from 0:41:42.600 --> 0:41:45.319 both of the Rowl and sisters. And Finn goes, why 0:41:45.320 --> 0:41:47.319 don't you quit while you're behind and go home, and 0:41:47.400 --> 0:41:50.319 Jeff goes, Amanda can't keep me from my baby, and 0:41:50.360 --> 0:41:52.320 Benson gets in his face and goes, you want to 0:41:52.480 --> 0:41:54.200 you want us to bring you in right now? And 0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:55.719 he backs off. You know, I don't think he's trying 0:41:55.760 --> 0:41:58.960 to fuck with Benson here at the precinct. Kim shows 0:41:59.040 --> 0:42:01.480 up and immediately he starts trying to fuck Tomorrow, like 0:42:01.680 --> 0:42:02.640 just with a quickness. 0:42:02.680 --> 0:42:03.719 She's like, hey, how could you not? 0:42:03.760 --> 0:42:05.799 But my thing is like Amorrow is giving it to her, 0:42:05.920 --> 0:42:07.920 like Amarrow is flirting back, like I don't think he 0:42:07.960 --> 0:42:09.839 can help it, or he's obviously trying to like help 0:42:09.880 --> 0:42:10.920 Amanda in some way with this. 0:42:11.040 --> 0:42:12.960 But it's like, Buty, no, you know what I was 0:42:13.000 --> 0:42:15.000 gonna say, though, you're you're not wrong that he's kind 0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:16.680 of giving it to her, because. 0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:20.399 I feel like, I mean a lot of the way 0:42:20.440 --> 0:42:20.920 he talks to her. 0:42:20.880 --> 0:42:24.839 Is very Carissa Gibson coded Okay from rhodium, not that 0:42:24.960 --> 0:42:28.279 whole thing like the escort thing from season thirteen, like 0:42:28.320 --> 0:42:31.239 beginning of fourteen. Like he it's like you've already gotten 0:42:31.280 --> 0:42:33.960 in trouble for like flirting with people like and if 0:42:34.000 --> 0:42:36.840 your wife was doing this saving hot young boys the 0:42:37.000 --> 0:42:40.719 way you would be an actual explosion, like of a 0:42:40.800 --> 0:42:46.319 human being, you would absolutely kill. But he's like, She's like, 0:42:46.400 --> 0:42:48.960 I can't reach Amanda, but is it okay if I 0:42:49.080 --> 0:42:52.040 just wait here? And then she's like, does anyone have 0:42:52.160 --> 0:42:54.440 change for the vending machine? My bills are too crumpled, 0:42:54.480 --> 0:42:56.160 like bitch, straighten out a dollar bill. They all go 0:42:56.200 --> 0:42:58.640 in eventually, and she's like, I haven't eaten all day 0:42:58.640 --> 0:43:01.120 and Tomorrow knows she's pregnant, and so he's like, you know, 0:43:01.600 --> 0:43:03.760 I'm a dad, I got a like I'm a gentleman. 0:43:03.840 --> 0:43:06.640 So he offers her a real meal, and I guess, like, 0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:08.719 you know, all his victims can wait until after they 0:43:08.760 --> 0:43:11.000 have their Chinese foods, they stop and have a little 0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:14.879 lunch together. So now we see Amanda where she is 0:43:14.880 --> 0:43:17.239 is in her gamblers anonymous support group where she's talking 0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:20.040 about her sister being one of her triggers, and she's like, 0:43:20.080 --> 0:43:22.359 you know, Kim doesn't have to worry about anything, so 0:43:22.440 --> 0:43:24.759 I've had to worry about everything my entire life and 0:43:24.800 --> 0:43:27.759 like basically clean up her messes. So now Kim and 0:43:27.800 --> 0:43:31.120 Tomorrow back to them having their midday Chinese, and she's 0:43:31.200 --> 0:43:33.919 telling anecdotes about Amanda being super tough as a kid, 0:43:34.000 --> 0:43:36.760 something about shooting a squirrel gun, you know, all this stuff, 0:43:36.960 --> 0:43:39.600 and Amara's like, yeah, you two had it tough growing up, 0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:41.719 and She's like, yeah, at least it wasn't boring. And 0:43:41.760 --> 0:43:43.920 then Amanda walks in and is like very Kim, what 0:43:43.920 --> 0:43:45.000 the fuck are you doing here? 0:43:45.520 --> 0:43:45.880 Vibes? 0:43:45.920 --> 0:43:49.000 And then she apologizes to Tomorrow and Kim's like, you 0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:51.040 know how I can't sit around in your apartment all day, 0:43:51.080 --> 0:43:52.600 and it's like She's like, I need to get out 0:43:52.640 --> 0:43:54.920 and con people up for free lunches. 0:43:54.560 --> 0:43:55.960 You know, like I have to see the city. 0:43:56.400 --> 0:43:59.160 And then Craigan approaches and he goes the pizza delivery 0:43:59.200 --> 0:44:00.239 rapist has struck it again. 0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:01.880 The VIC is on route to the hospital. I'm not 0:44:01.920 --> 0:44:02.279 gonna lie. 0:44:02.320 --> 0:44:04.239 I wish we got this case eventually, Like I wish 0:44:04.320 --> 0:44:06.600 the next episode, can we get the pizza delivery right? 0:44:06.680 --> 0:44:07.800 Like I didn't know about that I want to know 0:44:07.840 --> 0:44:12.200 about this case. And then Amorro takes it and Amanda goes, 0:44:12.239 --> 0:44:15.239 I can join you, and Cam you go home. I 0:44:15.239 --> 0:44:18.640 have DVR. Now you're gonna love it. And then Craigan goes, 0:44:18.680 --> 0:44:20.279 I'll have someone take her home. And that really made 0:44:20.280 --> 0:44:22.520 me miss my DVR right as they mentioned it. You know, 0:44:22.520 --> 0:44:25.360 a twenty thirty just like a twenty fourteen reference to 0:44:25.440 --> 0:44:28.319 DVR will really take me back to my past. But 0:44:29.600 --> 0:44:33.920 and she thanks Cragan and goes, Amanda, tell me how 0:44:33.920 --> 0:44:37.080 you've always got her back. And then Cragan looks like 0:44:37.160 --> 0:44:40.000 a little bit like his bullshitometer is picking something up, 0:44:40.120 --> 0:44:43.759 like he makes a littleick subtle face like yeah, we'll 0:44:43.800 --> 0:44:45.920 give you a ride, Like no big deal, lady, you 0:44:45.920 --> 0:44:47.719 don't have to like kiss my ass so hard as 0:44:47.800 --> 0:44:50.480 kind of what you're getting the vibe from Craigan. So later, 0:44:50.560 --> 0:44:54.080 Amanda's getting home. As she puts her keys in the door, 0:44:54.200 --> 0:44:57.440 she hears yelling in the apartment. She hears get off me, Jeff, 0:44:57.440 --> 0:45:01.760 you're hurting me, et cetera. So she the door is chained, 0:45:01.880 --> 0:45:05.560 She busts open her own door gun drawn, tells Jeff 0:45:05.560 --> 0:45:08.879 to get off of her. Sister Kim's yelling I told 0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:10.920 him to leave, and Jeff's yelling she told me to 0:45:10.920 --> 0:45:13.800 come here. She's like, no, I didn't. Amanda tells Jeff 0:45:13.920 --> 0:45:17.279 hands up, and he pulls a gun and Kim goes 0:45:17.360 --> 0:45:20.319 he's got a gun, and Amanda shoots him. And we 0:45:20.360 --> 0:45:22.200 know from the beginning of the episode that this bitch 0:45:22.239 --> 0:45:25.040 doesn't miss. So she shoots this dude dead, bang bang. 0:45:25.400 --> 0:45:30.600 His blood splatters all over Kim, who looks very shook, obviously. 0:45:31.840 --> 0:45:35.279 So now that's commercial. That's a very like, wow, we 0:45:35.320 --> 0:45:37.239 got a lot done in act one there, Like we 0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:40.160 set the scene, We've got Rollin's childhood, We've got a 0:45:40.200 --> 0:45:45.360 full murder happening or a death. So now the cops 0:45:45.400 --> 0:45:48.680 are at the apartment. Rollin's explaining the whole thing to Craigan. 0:45:48.800 --> 0:45:51.080 He says it was a good shoot. He and Benson 0:45:51.120 --> 0:45:53.200 are telling her like, shut the fuck up, don't talk 0:45:53.239 --> 0:45:56.160 to anyone but your delegate or a lawyer. Up walks 0:45:56.239 --> 0:45:59.960 Captain Reese played by Isaiah Wo Whitlock Junr. He just 0:46:00.160 --> 0:46:03.359 past at the end of December. Recently he's in three 0:46:03.400 --> 0:46:04.960 episodes as this character. 0:46:04.719 --> 0:46:08.080 The Oscar Memoriam like he was the second person. 0:46:08.480 --> 0:46:13.759 Yeah, yeah, he's in so many are yes, three episodes 0:46:13.800 --> 0:46:16.000 as this character, but then a bunch of others as 0:46:16.000 --> 0:46:19.440 different characters. He's also been in Original Recipe Criminal Intent, 0:46:19.560 --> 0:46:22.000 like he's done the full trilogy. And he also is 0:46:22.040 --> 0:46:24.000 of course most well known, I would say for The Wire. 0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:26.279 And then he's in one of the one of my 0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:28.160 old favorite movies, twenty fifth Hour. 0:46:28.960 --> 0:46:34.160 Oh okay, is that zombie? No, it's Edward Norton. 0:46:34.960 --> 0:46:37.799 It's like he's it's his last night before he has 0:46:37.840 --> 0:46:41.319 to self report to prison for his sentence. Oh, and 0:46:41.360 --> 0:46:45.200 then his friends are Barry Pepper and Philip Seymour Hoffman. 0:46:46.520 --> 0:46:49.840 And then Rosario Dawson is his love interest in Isaiah 0:46:49.880 --> 0:46:52.800 Whitlock plays like a cop. But and it's a Spike 0:46:52.880 --> 0:46:54.680 Lee movie. It's I think one of Spike Lee's is 0:46:54.719 --> 0:46:56.160 like very few white movies. 0:46:57.480 --> 0:46:59.560 My friend sat next to Spike Lee at the Oscars 0:46:59.600 --> 0:47:01.960 and said that his commentary throughout the whole thing was 0:47:02.000 --> 0:47:02.680 like amazing. 0:47:03.040 --> 0:47:06.320 They were like recommend knock on wood. 0:47:06.480 --> 0:47:08.600 But if I had a make a wish with no 0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:11.120 death or disease, I would definitely want to sit like 0:47:11.200 --> 0:47:12.719 court side at a basketball game with him. 0:47:14.080 --> 0:47:18.560 Yeah, that would be fun Casey, what movie was I 0:47:18.640 --> 0:47:20.080 thinking of when I thought of zombies? 0:47:20.160 --> 0:47:22.920 Twenty eight days later? Twenty eight days? Okay, yeah, that's it. 0:47:22.960 --> 0:47:24.920 Not to be confused with twenty eight days, one of 0:47:24.920 --> 0:47:27.719 my favorite Sandra Bullock movies, yes, which, and. 0:47:27.680 --> 0:47:29.560 Then not to be confused with the movie where the 0:47:29.560 --> 0:47:31.160 guy has to cut his own arm off because it's 0:47:31.200 --> 0:47:34.680 underneath n twenty seven days on undred and twenty seven days, gotcha? 0:47:34.840 --> 0:47:35.120 Okay. 0:47:35.400 --> 0:47:37.320 But when I say not to be confused, what I 0:47:37.360 --> 0:47:39.439 mean is to be deeply confused in my own brain 0:47:39.480 --> 0:47:40.399 because I cannot tell. 0:47:40.560 --> 0:47:42.799 And I say, it's one hundred and twenty seven hours 0:47:42.880 --> 0:47:43.759 our hours. 0:47:44.120 --> 0:47:46.080 Yeah, that makes more sense. I go, wow, we really 0:47:46.120 --> 0:47:48.480 last said long out there A long time to be 0:47:48.480 --> 0:47:53.400 pinned under a rock. Oh my god, this episode is 0:47:53.440 --> 0:47:58.120 already so unhinged. Okay, So Reese wants to talk to Amanda, 0:47:58.280 --> 0:48:00.239 but Benson is like, she won't answer any questions without 0:48:00.239 --> 0:48:00.760 a delegate. 0:48:01.000 --> 0:48:02.839 And then just then friend of the. 0:48:02.800 --> 0:48:06.799 Pod Bobby Burke aka Ed Tucker shows up and he's 0:48:06.800 --> 0:48:09.160 at like peek Ed Tucker like. 0:48:09.640 --> 0:48:12.239 Evilness kind of in this episode, like. 0:48:12.239 --> 0:48:15.759 He's really like well, and it's funny because usually like 0:48:15.840 --> 0:48:18.799 Stabler was his guy to get to and now he's like, 0:48:18.920 --> 0:48:20.800 fuck Stabler, the whole department, you're crazy. 0:48:20.880 --> 0:48:23.760 Yeah, He's like, whoever you can be my blonde Stabler, 0:48:23.880 --> 0:48:27.240 you know. And then he also, I think they're building 0:48:27.320 --> 0:48:29.400 him up as bad, Like maybe they knew they were 0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:31.640 going to take him into like better territories. Maybe they're like, 0:48:31.719 --> 0:48:33.279 let's build him up as bad as we can and 0:48:33.320 --> 0:48:37.359 then like change him. So he goes, she's right, let's 0:48:37.400 --> 0:48:40.480 get her a delegate and if she says anything, Mirandizer 0:48:40.719 --> 0:48:41.560 make it stick. 0:48:41.600 --> 0:48:43.759 And Benson's like, Tucker, what the fuck are you doing here? 0:48:44.040 --> 0:48:46.799 And he goes it's her second officer involved shooting this year, 0:48:47.840 --> 0:48:50.759 and Tucker is being like just an instant. Dick doesn't 0:48:50.800 --> 0:48:53.240 believe Amanda was justified in this, like wants to question 0:48:53.360 --> 0:48:56.000 her and they're like, well, Amanda needs an exam, and 0:48:56.000 --> 0:48:56.919 she's like, so does Kim. 0:48:57.000 --> 0:48:59.960 She's pregnant. So at the hospital we meet Amanda. 0:49:00.120 --> 0:49:04.719 Delegate Dedi Dnsler, great name who appears in five episodes 0:49:04.760 --> 0:49:08.440 whenever these crazy kids end up killing someone, as recently 0:49:08.640 --> 0:49:11.160 as season twenty six. She's also I think in tomorrow's 0:49:11.160 --> 0:49:14.640 one eighty where he shoots someone like she's the delegate 0:49:14.680 --> 0:49:17.960 that helps these people. And the actress is Mary B. McCann, 0:49:18.080 --> 0:49:20.239 who is in two other episodes as different characters, but 0:49:20.360 --> 0:49:23.359 five is Dede Dentsler. So so she's also in Sex 0:49:23.400 --> 0:49:24.280 in the City obviously. 0:49:24.480 --> 0:49:25.960 Yes, she's power lesbian. 0:49:26.200 --> 0:49:29.480 Yeah, she's the lesbian she's buying the paintings, so yeah. 0:49:29.600 --> 0:49:31.920 And she and in that episode she's with samoraw Tony 0:49:32.080 --> 0:49:34.279 so yeah, yeah, yeah, So maybe we have talked about 0:49:34.280 --> 0:49:35.600 her because I feel like we've talked about the power 0:49:35.600 --> 0:49:36.319 of lesbians before. 0:49:36.320 --> 0:49:38.040 But yeah, so many people are in there because there's 0:49:38.040 --> 0:49:39.560 another actress that's been in sview. 0:49:39.680 --> 0:49:39.879 Yeah. 0:49:39.920 --> 0:49:43.480 That is a very powerful episode. Yes, yes, very powerful, 0:49:43.600 --> 0:49:48.040 very powerful crossover. She's explaining to Amanda like, hey, they're 0:49:48.040 --> 0:49:49.560 going to run a full talk screen and get your 0:49:49.560 --> 0:49:51.680 blood alcohol level, so if there's anything we got to 0:49:51.680 --> 0:49:53.080 look out for, and Amanda's like, you're not going to 0:49:53.120 --> 0:49:56.200 find anything like I was coming home from work. Then 0:49:56.280 --> 0:49:58.920 Dedie and Benson like sha a look and Dedie's like, 0:49:58.920 --> 0:50:01.600 you really also should talk to the department psychologists like 0:50:01.640 --> 0:50:04.319 asap as well, and aman is like, listen, lady, I 0:50:04.400 --> 0:50:06.719 just splattered my sister's abuse of baby Daddy's brains all 0:50:06.760 --> 0:50:09.279 over her own face, in my own home. So you're 0:50:09.280 --> 0:50:10.759 making too big of a deal out of this, Like 0:50:10.800 --> 0:50:13.680 this really isn't that big of a thing, and like 0:50:13.760 --> 0:50:15.960 he was raping my sister he had a gun, and 0:50:16.000 --> 0:50:18.320 Benson's like, yeah, he's also the father of her baby 0:50:18.320 --> 0:50:20.759 and she might feel different about this, like in a 0:50:20.840 --> 0:50:23.239 year's time at Christmas and Amanda goes, I don't go 0:50:23.320 --> 0:50:24.080 home for Christmas. 0:50:24.280 --> 0:50:25.319 Love that love that. 0:50:25.800 --> 0:50:27.239 I'm really not gonna have to deal with that because 0:50:27.239 --> 0:50:30.160 I won't be home for Christmas. And Dedi's like, go 0:50:30.280 --> 0:50:33.280 get your head shrunk, Like tomorrow first thing, Like that's happening. 0:50:33.400 --> 0:50:36.040 So in the waiting room of the hospital, Finn shows 0:50:36.080 --> 0:50:38.120 up and Benson is filling him in, you know, like 0:50:38.719 --> 0:50:40.880 she's basically telling Finn, you know, the shooting's by the 0:50:40.880 --> 0:50:43.279 book and Rollins isn't losing any sleep over it, and 0:50:43.280 --> 0:50:45.240 Finn's like, yeah, I just think it hasn't hit her yet. 0:50:45.320 --> 0:50:50.680 So meanwhile, Amorrow opens an exam room curtain without any permission, 0:50:50.960 --> 0:50:53.480 just going Rollin's like it just opens an exam room 0:50:53.520 --> 0:50:56.239 curtain in a hospital, Like are you allowed to do that? 0:50:56.360 --> 0:50:59.080 But Oopsie's he switched the wrong sister. He walks in 0:50:59.120 --> 0:51:02.400 on Kim getting exact and Kim immediately goes, oh, you 0:51:02.440 --> 0:51:05.480 came to see me. That's so sweet, and she's like, 0:51:05.600 --> 0:51:08.640 I'm actually looking for Amanda, and Kim goes story of 0:51:08.680 --> 0:51:13.040 my life and he goes, are you okay, and she goes, well, like, yeah, 0:51:13.080 --> 0:51:15.680 besides being pregnant with my baby daddy's blood splattered all 0:51:15.680 --> 0:51:18.160 over my face, I guess I'm doing pretty good. And 0:51:18.200 --> 0:51:20.239 then she's like, well, they want to do a rape kit, 0:51:20.239 --> 0:51:22.040 but I don't want to hurt the baby. And he 0:51:22.120 --> 0:51:24.879 tells her like, I mean he could just tell her 0:51:24.920 --> 0:51:27.200 like it won't hurt the baby, because I don't believe 0:51:27.239 --> 0:51:30.760 that a rape kit does any damage to like personally, 0:51:30.800 --> 0:51:34.120 as someone who has been pregnant. They are swabbing you constantly. 0:51:34.920 --> 0:51:38.480 And he tells her he could, that he gets it, 0:51:38.520 --> 0:51:40.800 but it could really help Amanda's case to have evidence, 0:51:41.280 --> 0:51:44.759 and he goes and then Kim goes, well, he wasn't 0:51:44.800 --> 0:51:46.800 really raping me. I mean he tried, but he didn't, 0:51:46.840 --> 0:51:49.680 you know. And Marrow's like, listen, you should let them 0:51:49.680 --> 0:51:53.440 document any injuries for Amanda's sake, and she goes, Amanda 0:51:53.480 --> 0:51:56.080 will be fine. She always is I couldn't tell her. 0:51:56.080 --> 0:51:57.799 She was trying to say that he tried to rape her, 0:51:57.800 --> 0:51:59.640 but couldn't get it up, Like I couldn't tell what 0:51:59.680 --> 0:52:02.719 her story. He was here, But Amanda is now because 0:52:02.760 --> 0:52:05.640 she's a liar because yeah, lying psycho bit. Yeah, she's 0:52:05.920 --> 0:52:08.480 not practicing any elliptical pauses a sign of lying. 0:52:08.600 --> 0:52:09.800 She just is a straight liar. 0:52:10.760 --> 0:52:14.240 So now Amanda is talking to a Law and Order legend, 0:52:14.400 --> 0:52:18.279 doctor Elizabeth Olivet played by Carolyn McCormick. She's been on 0:52:18.719 --> 0:52:21.920 six episodes of SBU, but like I thought it was 0:52:22.000 --> 0:52:24.360 sixty something, but is it more like eighty something episodes 0:52:24.400 --> 0:52:27.439 of Law and Order? Eighty seven episodes of Law and Order? 0:52:27.800 --> 0:52:30.760 She was there George Wong in like the early years 0:52:30.760 --> 0:52:33.840 of Law and Order. She was always like the psychological perspective, 0:52:34.000 --> 0:52:36.560 like telling the cops like, here's what this could mean, 0:52:36.600 --> 0:52:38.400 here's how you have to talk to this victim. Stuff 0:52:38.400 --> 0:52:41.719 like that Ali that is telling Amanda like I think 0:52:41.760 --> 0:52:44.200 you're coming off of the adrenaline rush and you might 0:52:44.239 --> 0:52:47.080 have some trouble sleeping like once you do. And Amanda's like, 0:52:47.200 --> 0:52:48.840 I've been down this room before. I'm not going to 0:52:48.880 --> 0:52:50.600 get depressed. I'm not gonna wonder what kind of life 0:52:50.680 --> 0:52:53.120 Jeff would have lived. I don't care. And all of 0:52:53.160 --> 0:52:55.120 it's like, I know you've been through this before, like 0:52:55.160 --> 0:52:57.359 I'm just trying to help you. And Amanda's like, yeah, 0:52:57.400 --> 0:52:59.279 you're I'm here so that the department is covered. If 0:52:59.280 --> 0:53:01.440 I eat my gun and don't worry, I won't and 0:53:01.520 --> 0:53:04.400 all of that's like, Okay, that's an alarming statement. Why 0:53:04.440 --> 0:53:08.680 don't we dive into that. Have you had any suicidal thoughts? 0:53:08.680 --> 0:53:11.359 And Amanda goes, no, I'm annoyed and the guy had 0:53:11.360 --> 0:53:13.840 it coming. My sister brings pieces of shit into my 0:53:13.880 --> 0:53:15.960 life and then drags me into it. I mean, I'm 0:53:16.000 --> 0:53:18.400 not blaming my sister, but it's also not my fault. 0:53:18.840 --> 0:53:20.879 And she's like, I just want to get back to work, 0:53:20.880 --> 0:53:22.400 and all of that's like yeah, but you know you 0:53:22.440 --> 0:53:25.080 can't get back to active duty until this investigation is closed. 0:53:25.600 --> 0:53:27.920 And all of that says that I'll say that your 0:53:27.960 --> 0:53:30.920 reaction is within the norm, like that you're doing fine, 0:53:31.400 --> 0:53:34.600 but we should have a follow up session, and Amanda's like, yeah, 0:53:34.640 --> 0:53:36.680 like whatever I need to do. So in the meantime, 0:53:36.719 --> 0:53:38.279 she goes, call me if you have anxiety or any 0:53:38.280 --> 0:53:39.960 trouble sleeping, and she goes, I'll sleep. 0:53:39.719 --> 0:53:40.759 When I have my gun back. 0:53:40.840 --> 0:53:43.279 Okay, maybe it's a little bit weird to be that 0:53:43.360 --> 0:53:45.960 dependent on your gun for calm and peace in your life. 0:53:46.040 --> 0:53:49.200 So at the Precinct tomorrow is filling us in on 0:53:49.239 --> 0:53:52.319 the details of Jeff's gun. It's an M nineteen eleven 0:53:52.440 --> 0:53:56.080 forty five too many numbers sold through the internet delivered 0:53:56.120 --> 0:53:58.319 to his house, one of six guns that he's had 0:53:58.440 --> 0:54:02.120 ordered just through the Internet that are unregistered. But that's 0:54:02.200 --> 0:54:08.440 legal according to Georgia law. Crazy crazy neighbors confirm the story, 0:54:08.560 --> 0:54:11.319 like I don't understand why pro to a people, which 0:54:11.320 --> 0:54:13.560 I mean, like I am pro Second Amendment in some ways, 0:54:13.920 --> 0:54:17.480 but like why would you ever advocate to have your 0:54:17.480 --> 0:54:19.840 guns be unregistered? Why would you like be like I 0:54:19.840 --> 0:54:21.359 have a murdering machine in my house and I don't 0:54:21.360 --> 0:54:23.480 want anyone to know about it. Like, I don't get that. 0:54:24.160 --> 0:54:27.160 What's the what's the Republican talking point on that? 0:54:27.560 --> 0:54:30.799 Well, they're liars, But their whole thing is we need 0:54:30.800 --> 0:54:33.160 the guns that the government doesn't know about, so when 0:54:33.160 --> 0:54:36.480 the government tries to take us, we can attack them. 0:54:36.680 --> 0:54:38.840 But they didn't realize that they were the boot lickers 0:54:38.920 --> 0:54:39.560 the whole time. 0:54:39.920 --> 0:54:42.960 Yeah, yeah, okay, so that's what it is. 0:54:42.960 --> 0:54:46.280 They're like, we're patriot were we would fight against the government, 0:54:46.320 --> 0:54:49.520 but they would suck the government's dick, like they would 0:54:49.560 --> 0:54:52.080 take the President's come all over their fucking eyes and 0:54:52.160 --> 0:54:54.880 let it burn them through than ever actually see the 0:54:54.880 --> 0:54:55.239 world for. 0:54:55.520 --> 0:54:59.160 A dollar cheaper gas? Yeah, and how much is gas now? 0:54:59.280 --> 0:54:59.840 I just ga? 0:55:00.239 --> 0:55:01.399 Now gas is quick? 0:55:01.560 --> 0:55:04.839 How are they still how are they still convincing themselves? 0:55:04.920 --> 0:55:07.319 And then someone wrote Republicans don't even fly? Did you 0:55:07.320 --> 0:55:11.080 see what Delta did? What Congress can't get any special 0:55:11.080 --> 0:55:13.840 treatment or bypass any TSA lines like no special treatment 0:55:13.840 --> 0:55:16.120 for Congress if they want to fly Delta, wait why 0:55:16.360 --> 0:55:19.160 because they've made the lines terrible. And then they get 0:55:19.160 --> 0:55:22.120 to go through X like oh special security, this is good, 0:55:22.360 --> 0:55:26.160 this is good. Yeah, so with everybody, Yeah, they go 0:55:26.280 --> 0:55:27.560 fuck you go stand in line. 0:55:27.600 --> 0:55:30.040 Then oh I love that. 0:55:30.280 --> 0:55:32.640 Like at the end of the day, big business runs 0:55:32.640 --> 0:55:35.799 our country, and once you fuck with a big business 0:55:36.000 --> 0:55:36.520 that you're good. 0:55:36.560 --> 0:55:38.239 You know what I mean? That's what they actually, that's 0:55:38.280 --> 0:55:38.759 what it is. 0:55:39.400 --> 0:55:41.000 I don't have a fuck about anything or anyone. It's 0:55:41.000 --> 0:55:43.040 about money, and you fuck with Delta's money. They're gonna 0:55:43.080 --> 0:55:46.840 come for you, dude, go Delta. And another reason we 0:55:46.880 --> 0:55:49.759 are proud to be terrible things. They're the ones that 0:55:49.840 --> 0:55:52.960 worked with the president to roll back. Like if they 0:55:52.960 --> 0:55:55.160 cancel your trip, you can't get reflects anymore. Like they're 0:55:55.200 --> 0:56:00.560 not perfect. Yeah, they want money. They absolutely are corporation 0:56:00.719 --> 0:56:03.680 that wants your money. But you know, of the evils, 0:56:03.719 --> 0:56:08.640 I like them. Yeah, so what's happening? Okay, so that 0:56:08.719 --> 0:56:11.160 they're so that's whatever. That's how this fucking guy has 0:56:11.200 --> 0:56:14.120 a bunch of guns. And the neighbors confirm the story 0:56:14.480 --> 0:56:17.080 Kim was screaming the door getting kicked in double tap 0:56:17.120 --> 0:56:21.720 and Jeff's dead. That's Finn's words, not mine, And Amarro thinks, 0:56:21.800 --> 0:56:23.520 iab has no case. 0:56:23.600 --> 0:56:25.280 He's like, I mean, it's a good shoot. 0:56:25.280 --> 0:56:27.120 But Benson and Craigan have to fill Nick in on 0:56:27.160 --> 0:56:29.279 a little bit of the history with Tucker, Like she's like, 0:56:29.520 --> 0:56:31.359 he tried to take my badge. Like this guy has 0:56:31.360 --> 0:56:33.680 it in for us, you like, does he spend as 0:56:33.760 --> 0:56:37.880 much time fucking with like narcotics and homicide for sure? 0:56:38.040 --> 0:56:41.000 But they break the rules all the time they do. 0:56:41.320 --> 0:56:44.239 It's like Mykeson, I'm sorry you did break so many 0:56:44.400 --> 0:56:47.480 rules and get DNA tests without any paperwork, like I 0:56:47.560 --> 0:56:50.840 don't know what you want, Like I'm on their side, 0:56:50.920 --> 0:56:51.719 but it's not. 0:56:51.719 --> 0:56:53.560 Like they're like, I don't know why he's. 0:56:53.440 --> 0:56:57.000 Doing this, and it's like because you've just kept breaking rules. 0:56:57.680 --> 0:56:59.160 Yeah, yeah, okay. 0:56:59.400 --> 0:57:02.880 So so now we're at IAB and Kim is telling 0:57:02.920 --> 0:57:05.760 her story to Reese and Tucker how she was asleep 0:57:05.840 --> 0:57:08.719 she heard a knock. She thought it was Amanda not 0:57:08.760 --> 0:57:11.120 having keys to her own apartment, I guess, and then 0:57:11.200 --> 0:57:14.040 open the door. He forced his way in, saying he 0:57:14.120 --> 0:57:17.320 was gonna take back what was his Amanda showed up 0:57:17.360 --> 0:57:20.400 pretty quickly. She doesn't remember how many shots, maybe two 0:57:20.480 --> 0:57:23.840 or three. And then they ask if the officer identified herself, 0:57:23.880 --> 0:57:25.880 and Kim goes, oh, well, Jeff knows who she is. 0:57:26.240 --> 0:57:28.560 And Tucker goes, oh, they knew each other. What was 0:57:28.600 --> 0:57:31.880 the tenor of their relationship? And Reese goes, Tucker stick 0:57:31.960 --> 0:57:34.520 to the incident. So even Reese knows Tucker's a little 0:57:34.520 --> 0:57:37.560 bit too hot for sv you, Like, he's like, let's 0:57:37.680 --> 0:57:40.360 not get into all that or whatever. So after the 0:57:40.400 --> 0:57:43.960 shots were fired, Amanda told Kim, don't touch anything. Call 0:57:44.080 --> 0:57:45.920 nine one one and then she went to check on Jeff. 0:57:46.240 --> 0:57:49.520 So now Amanda is giving her statement to IAB describing 0:57:49.520 --> 0:57:53.000 what happened. They're asking her repeatedly if she saw Jeff's gun, 0:57:53.040 --> 0:57:57.160 which she did, and Reese says, if ballistics and forensics 0:57:57.200 --> 0:58:00.840 match her story, she should be fine. So it's like 0:58:01.200 --> 0:58:03.000 when the guy was shot, didn't he have the gun 0:58:03.040 --> 0:58:05.200 in his hand? Like he did reach for a gun 0:58:06.520 --> 0:58:08.840 against his sister in law or not sister in law, 0:58:08.840 --> 0:58:11.160 but you know whatever, a girlfriend's sister who is a 0:58:11.160 --> 0:58:11.640 cop and. 0:58:11.680 --> 0:58:13.160 Was pointing a gun at him. 0:58:13.600 --> 0:58:17.720 Like it's almost like that's truly the definition of like 0:58:17.760 --> 0:58:19.400 suicide by cops, like why would. 0:58:19.200 --> 0:58:19.640 You eat him? 0:58:19.960 --> 0:58:22.840 But there is never confirmed a gun. You see it, 0:58:23.200 --> 0:58:24.920 you see the episode. You see him reach for it. 0:58:26.320 --> 0:58:30.520 So I don't like everyone's acting like Kim saying he's 0:58:30.520 --> 0:58:33.160 got a gun is like a is like a a 0:58:33.200 --> 0:58:35.520 tip off, but like you do, you see him reach 0:58:35.560 --> 0:58:39.520 for it and hold it like so maybe it's I 0:58:39.520 --> 0:58:41.640 don't know, they don't go back to that. Maybe it's 0:58:41.720 --> 0:58:44.600 like looks like a gun but it's not. I don't know, 0:58:44.640 --> 0:58:47.479 maybe it's unloaded. I don't know. So Reese says, hey, 0:58:47.520 --> 0:58:50.600 if ballistics and forensics match your story, you'll be fine. 0:58:51.160 --> 0:58:54.560 So next we're at Finn's apartment with the Ralin sisters 0:58:54.880 --> 0:58:57.800 and just clocking a couple of decorative touches. There is 0:58:57.840 --> 0:59:01.520 a large ceramic leopard or some kind of fast cat, 0:59:01.560 --> 0:59:03.600 and then there's a smaller one that's a tiger, So 0:59:04.200 --> 0:59:08.200 I like that he's sort of collecting ceramic jungle cats 0:59:08.360 --> 0:59:11.600 as he goes through life. Kim comes in and goes 0:59:11.760 --> 0:59:15.840 nice man cave and then Rollins is like sorry. Amanda's like, 0:59:16.120 --> 0:59:18.280 hope CSU works quick, so like we don't have to 0:59:18.280 --> 0:59:19.760 be in your hair for too long, and he's like, 0:59:19.800 --> 0:59:22.400 no big deal. You guys can take Ken's old room 0:59:22.440 --> 0:59:25.480 down the hall, and Kim goes, man, they should put 0:59:25.520 --> 0:59:27.360 you up if your place is a crime scene, and 0:59:27.360 --> 0:59:28.880 it's like rude. It just feels like it's like a 0:59:28.880 --> 0:59:31.040 subtle dig It's like this man is putting you up 0:59:31.040 --> 0:59:32.440 in his home and you're acting like it's not good 0:59:32.480 --> 0:59:34.280 enough and you should like be in a hotel. And 0:59:34.320 --> 0:59:36.640 Amanda's like, if she gets to be too much, just 0:59:36.720 --> 0:59:38.320 let me know. We'll get her the hell out of here. 0:59:38.440 --> 0:59:41.000 So now they're in Ken's room and Kim's on the phone, 0:59:41.080 --> 0:59:43.760 saying what if that's not the way it happened, And 0:59:43.800 --> 0:59:46.200 then she gets off the call. When Amanda walks in 0:59:46.320 --> 0:59:49.960 so obviously sketchy as hell, she says, everything's good. I 0:59:50.080 --> 0:59:52.800 like it here and like lies like nothing but lies 0:59:52.800 --> 0:59:53.959 can come out of this girl's mouth. 0:59:54.200 --> 0:59:55.320 And Amanda has. 0:59:55.160 --> 0:59:57.360 To go to work, but she's like, we'll have supper 0:59:57.440 --> 1:00:00.760 together later, and Kim's like, maybe chiny again, I mean 1:00:00.800 --> 1:00:03.360 once again, just like babe, buy me food. Like that's 1:00:03.400 --> 1:00:05.920 all she cares about is these New York dinners. And 1:00:05.960 --> 1:00:09.560 she says to Amanda, she goes, hey, Amanda, love you, 1:00:09.760 --> 1:00:12.120 and Amanda's like, love you too. And it's like a 1:00:12.120 --> 1:00:15.280 little weird how cheerful Kim is like talking about getting 1:00:15.280 --> 1:00:17.640 excited over Chinese. It's like, yes, the guy was a 1:00:17.680 --> 1:00:19.360 piece of shit, but you were in a relationship with 1:00:19.440 --> 1:00:21.400 him and carrying his child and you were splattered by 1:00:21.400 --> 1:00:24.160 his blood like just a few hours ago, so you 1:00:24.200 --> 1:00:26.960 don't seem that disturbed by like witnessing his full death 1:00:27.840 --> 1:00:29.880 and just excited for some Kung pou chicken. 1:00:29.920 --> 1:00:30.280 I guess. 1:00:31.040 --> 1:00:35.240 So now at IAB, We're in Tucker's office when who 1:00:35.280 --> 1:00:38.200 comes to the door but Kim Rowlins, and she goes, 1:00:38.280 --> 1:00:40.680 I hate to go behind Amanda's back, but there's something 1:00:40.680 --> 1:00:41.480 I need to tell you. 1:00:42.120 --> 1:00:44.960 So here we go. Here we go with this dumb bitch. 1:00:45.000 --> 1:00:49.000 So now now Tucker is bringing Amanda into interrogation, and 1:00:49.040 --> 1:00:53.600 I will call iab interrogation white walls grab bars because 1:00:53.600 --> 1:00:56.080 it's not cement room bars, like the walls. The walls 1:00:56.120 --> 1:00:58.200 are white and all that's on the side are those 1:00:58.240 --> 1:01:01.000 grab bars, like what you have in like, you know, 1:01:01.160 --> 1:01:05.600 a shower for old people or something like. So basically, 1:01:05.960 --> 1:01:07.920 white room grab bars is where they are, and he 1:01:08.000 --> 1:01:09.720 just wants to tie up some loose ends with her. 1:01:10.080 --> 1:01:11.560 With Amanda about her. 1:01:11.480 --> 1:01:14.480 Relationship with Jeff Parker, She's like, well, I first met 1:01:14.520 --> 1:01:16.440 him in twenty ten when my sister brought him home 1:01:16.480 --> 1:01:19.120 for Easter. He's like, and what was your Did you 1:01:19.240 --> 1:01:20.440 like him? Did you not like him? She's like, I 1:01:20.440 --> 1:01:22.640 didn't really think much about him, good or bad. And 1:01:22.680 --> 1:01:24.920 then it's like, yeah, right, Rollins, you're not a great liar. 1:01:24.960 --> 1:01:26.840 And then Tucker's like, well, what about six months ago 1:01:26.840 --> 1:01:28.720 in Atlanta when you slammed him against a wall and 1:01:28.760 --> 1:01:33.440 threatened to arrest him, And Amanda's like, that's bad. Yeah, 1:01:33.480 --> 1:01:35.800 and Amanda's like, fuck, like who told you that? And 1:01:35.880 --> 1:01:37.800 obviously you fucking know who told her that? Who else 1:01:37.800 --> 1:01:42.040 would have told him that, you know? And then Amanda's like, well, 1:01:42.120 --> 1:01:43.960 he had beaten the shit out of my sister the 1:01:44.040 --> 1:01:45.640 night before we had to take her to the er. 1:01:45.760 --> 1:01:47.880 And he's like, okay, but yes or no, you have 1:01:47.920 --> 1:01:50.200 a pattern of physical force and threats with the deceased, 1:01:50.640 --> 1:01:53.920 and she's like, he's a danger to my sister. It's like, 1:01:54.240 --> 1:01:56.280 I just don't think he would be saying that so 1:01:56.400 --> 1:01:59.040 much if it was like a man coming to defend 1:01:59.080 --> 1:02:01.040 his sister, if it was like a cop being like, 1:02:01.320 --> 1:02:03.760 you mess with my sister, I come after you. You know, 1:02:04.000 --> 1:02:06.000 like he's just has it in for Rollins a lot 1:02:06.120 --> 1:02:08.720 in this episode. And then what about four months ago 1:02:08.720 --> 1:02:11.000 in New York City? You pulled a gun on him 1:02:11.000 --> 1:02:14.000 in your apartment in New York And then she's like, 1:02:14.080 --> 1:02:17.560 he was attacking my sister. I saw the attack happening, 1:02:17.800 --> 1:02:20.120 and he goes, yes, but your sister had invited him in. 1:02:20.200 --> 1:02:21.800 And then you said if you're not out of here 1:02:21.800 --> 1:02:24.800 in thirty seconds, I'll shoot you, and then said you 1:02:24.840 --> 1:02:27.840 show up again, no warning, And it's like oh, you 1:02:27.880 --> 1:02:29.760 see Rowlins like going through in her mind, being like, yeah, 1:02:29.800 --> 1:02:32.400 that does sound like me. And then Tucker goes, was 1:02:32.440 --> 1:02:34.360 he really attacking your sister? Or did you just not 1:02:34.440 --> 1:02:37.080 want this guy in your house? So now we're getting 1:02:37.120 --> 1:02:39.600 you know, we're getting to this pattern. So Amanda she 1:02:39.680 --> 1:02:41.640 also could have shot him, not to kill like she 1:02:41.760 --> 1:02:43.800 is a professional, but he was pilling up a gun 1:02:44.600 --> 1:02:46.600 and he's a psycho, like he might have killed her 1:02:46.640 --> 1:02:50.200 to get her out of his life, you know. Amanda 1:02:50.280 --> 1:02:54.120 shows up at Finns and throws the remote control she is. 1:02:54.160 --> 1:02:56.080 It's like, hey, that's Finn's remote control dog, Like, don't 1:02:56.120 --> 1:02:58.600 take it out on his shit, you know. And she's 1:02:58.640 --> 1:03:01.320 furious at Kim, demanding better tell me what you told Tucker, 1:03:01.400 --> 1:03:04.040 and she's like I had to, like. 1:03:04.040 --> 1:03:05.680 I had to make it look like it was an accident. 1:03:05.760 --> 1:03:08.479 And Amanda's like, you better straighten this out, and Kim goes, well, 1:03:08.800 --> 1:03:10.840 we're just not going to get the money then, and 1:03:10.880 --> 1:03:13.800 there it is, and like I had forgotten kind of 1:03:13.840 --> 1:03:17.280 where this episode goes, and then I was like, up 1:03:17.320 --> 1:03:17.800 there it is. 1:03:17.840 --> 1:03:19.400 And Amanda's like, what are you talking about? 1:03:19.400 --> 1:03:21.959 And she's like, well, I kind of took a life 1:03:21.960 --> 1:03:25.200 insurance policy out on Jeff, and Amanda asks what I'm thinking, 1:03:25.240 --> 1:03:29.200 which is you kind of did that, and actually, Kim goes, well, 1:03:29.280 --> 1:03:29.959 we both did. 1:03:30.120 --> 1:03:31.200 Your name's on there too. 1:03:31.920 --> 1:03:34.400 I mean the way that I would absolutely put hands 1:03:34.480 --> 1:03:37.640 on my sister like this is absolutely she's the worst, 1:03:38.880 --> 1:03:42.320 wouldn't iab have also like looked into that, Like, don't 1:03:42.360 --> 1:03:44.400 like when there's murders and stuff, like, don't they check 1:03:44.400 --> 1:03:46.080 on insurance policies like pretty quick. 1:03:46.560 --> 1:03:48.320 I always think that they do, but maybe they don't. 1:03:49.000 --> 1:03:51.000 Kim goes, yeah, we have to make it seem like 1:03:51.040 --> 1:03:54.400 an accident, like he I just found I read the 1:03:54.400 --> 1:03:57.480 fine print, and like if he gets murdered in the 1:03:57.560 --> 1:04:00.320 act of while committing a felony, they won't pay out. 1:04:00.600 --> 1:04:02.240 And Amanda is fuming. 1:04:02.320 --> 1:04:04.880 I mean, she takes off her pea coat and slams 1:04:04.920 --> 1:04:07.560 it on the ground, like her outerwear has never been 1:04:07.600 --> 1:04:11.640 treated so aggressively. She bought the policy, Kim says, two 1:04:11.680 --> 1:04:13.920 months ago when she found out she was pregnant, and 1:04:13.960 --> 1:04:16.160 Amanda's like, show me the policy, and Kim goes, I 1:04:16.200 --> 1:04:18.520 don't have it. Amanda goes get it and suddenly it's 1:04:18.520 --> 1:04:20.200 in her backpack. She just like pulls it right out 1:04:20.240 --> 1:04:23.240 of her backpack. It's right there, and Kim goes, you're 1:04:23.240 --> 1:04:25.120 a smart girl. Why can't you just roll with this 1:04:25.200 --> 1:04:28.320 like we can finally be rich, And Amanda is pissed, like, 1:04:28.960 --> 1:04:31.200 why did you sleep on your sister being a grifter? 1:04:31.360 --> 1:04:34.000 You just forgot, like don't This is who she is 1:04:34.160 --> 1:04:39.000 has always been. So Amanda has now brought the insurance 1:04:39.040 --> 1:04:41.840 policy at the top of back three too Tucker and 1:04:42.080 --> 1:04:45.360 is showing him like, look, my sister forged my name 1:04:45.400 --> 1:04:48.840 on this. She has impulse control issues. And Amanda's like, well, 1:04:48.880 --> 1:04:53.040 the policy is no good anyway, and he's like, well, 1:04:53.040 --> 1:04:54.520 we're going to check on that. She goes, look, I'm 1:04:54.560 --> 1:04:56.600 here without a lawyer to get the truth out, like 1:04:56.640 --> 1:04:58.560 I just want you to know the truth. And again 1:04:58.560 --> 1:05:01.120 it's like, why are you not listening to Kragan and 1:05:01.200 --> 1:05:03.280 Benson and everyone that has told you do not fucking 1:05:03.320 --> 1:05:07.200 go to Iaby without a lawyer. Amanda goes, Kim will 1:05:07.240 --> 1:05:10.200 confirm that she was attacked two days ago and she 1:05:10.320 --> 1:05:12.080 warned me that Jeff had a gun and this was 1:05:12.120 --> 1:05:14.160 a good shooting. And he goes, oh, so Kim's going 1:05:14.200 --> 1:05:17.160 to change her story once again, and Amanda's like, I 1:05:17.240 --> 1:05:19.880 have nothing to hide, and Tucker's looking over her jacket 1:05:19.880 --> 1:05:22.960 and goes, see, you're a bit of a gambler, huh, 1:05:23.000 --> 1:05:25.960 And she goes, yeah, but I was forthcoming about that 1:05:26.040 --> 1:05:28.120 with my captain and he goes, you were forthcoming about 1:05:28.120 --> 1:05:30.160 it after the guy you owed money droped the dime 1:05:30.200 --> 1:05:34.600 on you, and she goes yes, and then she confirms. 1:05:35.280 --> 1:05:36.840 He's like, and how much do you owe these guys? 1:05:36.840 --> 1:05:39.680 And she was like, twenty thousand dollars and do you 1:05:39.680 --> 1:05:41.400 still owe it to them? And she goes, well, they're 1:05:41.440 --> 1:05:43.600 in Attica, and he goes, but you still owe them 1:05:43.640 --> 1:05:45.360 the money, Like just because these. 1:05:45.200 --> 1:05:47.000 Men are in jail, they are going to remember that 1:05:47.040 --> 1:05:47.680 you owe the money. 1:05:47.680 --> 1:05:50.640 So you are in debt and a gambling addict, and 1:05:50.680 --> 1:05:52.360 I'm supposed to believe that you didn't know that the 1:05:52.360 --> 1:05:54.640 man you shot had a life insurance policy with you 1:05:54.680 --> 1:05:57.880 as a beneficiary. And Amanda's like, yeah, but I came 1:05:57.920 --> 1:06:00.680 to you and she and he goes, after your sister did, 1:06:01.160 --> 1:06:03.880 so I got to give this one to Tucker almost. 1:06:03.960 --> 1:06:06.320 It's like your sister got you into a fucking mess, 1:06:06.760 --> 1:06:09.520 and now you come to this guy without a lawyer, 1:06:09.600 --> 1:06:12.760 like that's some huge sign when you should absolutely have 1:06:12.800 --> 1:06:15.160 a lawyer or a delegate with you, Like, I don't know, 1:06:15.200 --> 1:06:17.760 that would not make the truth any different of you 1:06:17.840 --> 1:06:19.600 telling the truth. I guess she just wanted to make 1:06:19.600 --> 1:06:21.280 it a sign of good faith. But this man has 1:06:21.320 --> 1:06:24.000 no good faith in you. So at the precinct, Ben 1:06:24.120 --> 1:06:26.640 is trying to talk to Amanda about her situation. He's like, 1:06:26.680 --> 1:06:28.120 you got to get a lawyer, and she's like, I 1:06:28.160 --> 1:06:30.480 haven't done anything wrong, and they're just gonna hang him 1:06:30.480 --> 1:06:32.720 out to dry if I do that. And it's like, good, 1:06:33.160 --> 1:06:36.680 hang her ass out to dry, do it. And Amanda 1:06:36.720 --> 1:06:39.680 is trying to explain the dynamic. It's like, I thought, 1:06:39.680 --> 1:06:41.280 it's just so interesting about Amanda. 1:06:41.280 --> 1:06:43.800 It is just like she has absolutely no patience or 1:06:43.840 --> 1:06:46.960 empathy or anything for anybody else. You're a dumb bitch. 1:06:46.960 --> 1:06:48.560 You should have left. Why don't you know this? You 1:06:48.560 --> 1:06:51.000 should have done that. You're a weak woman, bah blah 1:06:51.040 --> 1:06:53.000 blah blah. And it's like, but yet you can't let 1:06:53.000 --> 1:06:56.680 your sister go. Yeah, yeah, at least Early rollins. Yes, 1:06:57.000 --> 1:07:00.360 that's like her vibe. Yeah, but it's very annoying. It's 1:07:01.640 --> 1:07:04.080 Claire Parker was talking about this on a podcast. She's 1:07:04.200 --> 1:07:06.880 like Celebrity Memoir book Club. Now good noticings, but like 1:07:07.120 --> 1:07:08.840 what makes a good memoir memoir? 1:07:09.200 --> 1:07:11.320 And she goes, you have to then be accountable at 1:07:11.320 --> 1:07:13.760 the end. You know. It's like all these like guys 1:07:13.840 --> 1:07:14.560 just think it's like. 1:07:14.480 --> 1:07:17.040 An AA meeting and they're like, eah, I did all 1:07:17.040 --> 1:07:19.120 these terrible things and then there's nothing at the end. 1:07:19.160 --> 1:07:22.720 And then they also don't give that like sympathy to 1:07:22.760 --> 1:07:24.400 the other people in their lives. So they're like, my 1:07:24.480 --> 1:07:27.040 mom was a dumb bitch. I deserve forgiveness, but not her. 1:07:27.840 --> 1:07:30.520 And she just says, you have to like extend that 1:07:30.600 --> 1:07:32.960 to all the other people that you want to receive, Like, 1:07:33.080 --> 1:07:35.160 if you want to receive that understanding, you have to 1:07:35.200 --> 1:07:36.040 give it to others. 1:07:36.680 --> 1:07:38.680 And Rollins just does not have that at all. 1:07:39.320 --> 1:07:41.200 Yeah, and I don't think I would have thought about that, 1:07:41.200 --> 1:07:43.200 but I watched that Claire talk about that a few times. 1:07:43.280 --> 1:07:44.080 Yeah, that's interesting. 1:07:44.120 --> 1:07:46.400 I haven't really read that many memoirs, but that totally 1:07:46.400 --> 1:07:48.800 makes sense, I mean, and that's I think why certain 1:07:49.560 --> 1:07:53.280 people in like celebrity culture are even liked more. Like, 1:07:53.320 --> 1:07:55.520 I mean, people would like Tyra better if Tyra just 1:07:55.560 --> 1:07:57.840 said I fucked up. I did some bad shit, but 1:07:57.880 --> 1:08:00.120 instead she's like, this is the way it was. I 1:08:00.160 --> 1:08:03.440 had no control, you know, and blames everybody but herself. 1:08:04.600 --> 1:08:11.640 But Amanda is trying to explain the dynamic to Finn, like, listen, 1:08:11.840 --> 1:08:14.120 she fucks up, I fix it. That's kind of our 1:08:14.200 --> 1:08:16.840 back and forth of our entire life together. But Finn 1:08:16.880 --> 1:08:19.280 points out, yeah, but because of that, she's never really 1:08:19.280 --> 1:08:23.519 had to grow up wise wise man, Like that's I mean, 1:08:23.560 --> 1:08:25.479 we find out later that she obviously has a mental 1:08:25.479 --> 1:08:28.599 health like a diagnosis, but before that we're kind of 1:08:28.640 --> 1:08:31.280 just like, you've enabled this behavior because you just fucking 1:08:31.280 --> 1:08:34.760 fix all her situations for her. So he asks her like, 1:08:34.840 --> 1:08:36.559 do you want to tell me what's going on? Because 1:08:36.600 --> 1:08:39.040 he doesn't know all the IAB stuff, I don't think, 1:08:39.400 --> 1:08:41.840 and she goes, I'm not sure, and then he walks away. 1:08:41.840 --> 1:08:44.080 You know, Finn doesn't like it when he has your 1:08:44.120 --> 1:08:46.240 back over and over again and then you don't come 1:08:46.280 --> 1:08:48.599 to him with something, or you don't trust him with something. 1:08:49.120 --> 1:08:51.959 That's a that's a that's a deal breaker for old Odafin. 1:08:52.520 --> 1:08:55.960 So in White Room grab Bars, now Kim is sitting 1:08:56.120 --> 1:09:00.160 and Tucker walks in and he brings up the policy 1:09:00.479 --> 1:09:03.120 and goes, well, whose idea was that? And Kim goes, 1:09:03.600 --> 1:09:05.120 I love my sister. I don't want to get her 1:09:05.160 --> 1:09:08.280 in trouble. And she's like hemming and hawing that I'm 1:09:08.320 --> 1:09:11.519 all alone with nowhere to go, and Tucker goes, just 1:09:11.600 --> 1:09:13.479 tell the truth and we'll take care of it. So 1:09:14.200 --> 1:09:17.000 she's there to angle for like a fucking hotel room 1:09:17.080 --> 1:09:21.040 or whatever. So at the precinct, Amanda is leaving another 1:09:21.080 --> 1:09:23.240 angry message for Kim to call her back, and she 1:09:23.360 --> 1:09:25.920 asks tomorrow, like, have you seen Kim And he's like, no, 1:09:26.000 --> 1:09:27.880 not since yesterday. She goes, oh, really, because you two 1:09:27.920 --> 1:09:30.439 look pretty cozy the air the other night, like, and 1:09:30.520 --> 1:09:33.080 everyone's really taken aback by her tone, and Benson's like, 1:09:33.439 --> 1:09:35.479 what's going on, and she's like, Kim is gone. 1:09:35.479 --> 1:09:36.599 She's not answering her phone. 1:09:36.640 --> 1:09:39.519 Her stuff is cleared out of Finn's place, and Craigan's like, 1:09:39.600 --> 1:09:41.280 Rolin's get in here, And it does feel like the 1:09:41.320 --> 1:09:43.280 walls are closing in. This feels like when Rolin's got 1:09:43.280 --> 1:09:46.439 busted for her gambling and like everything that ended up 1:09:46.439 --> 1:09:47.160 happening in Shock. 1:09:47.400 --> 1:09:50.400 She doesn't have more substance abuse issues. Honestly to deal 1:09:50.439 --> 1:09:54.759 with all her other issues. Yeah, that's true. 1:09:54.920 --> 1:09:58.719 Gambling, Yeah, I would get another one going. I couldn't 1:09:58.720 --> 1:10:03.960 handle all that. Yeah. But Craigan is like, what's going on? 1:10:04.160 --> 1:10:06.719 You're like a hot mess out They're screaming at people, 1:10:06.840 --> 1:10:09.639 like what's up, and Rollins explains the whole thing about 1:10:09.680 --> 1:10:12.040 what a nightmare her sister is. Finn knocks on the 1:10:12.080 --> 1:10:14.400 door and says, one of my neighbors saw Kim get 1:10:14.400 --> 1:10:15.759 into an unmarked police car. 1:10:16.320 --> 1:10:16.519 Ay. 1:10:16.520 --> 1:10:19.360 I love that Finn's neighbors are this observant and that 1:10:19.560 --> 1:10:22.200 they know what an unmarked police car looks like. And 1:10:22.280 --> 1:10:27.280 Craigan's like, well, unlike you, who are a dumb ass Rollins, 1:10:27.360 --> 1:10:29.920 I'm gonna actually call you a lawyer, but too late. 1:10:30.120 --> 1:10:30.479 Uh oh. 1:10:30.520 --> 1:10:33.240 In walks Tucker and another IAB guy and they arrest 1:10:33.280 --> 1:10:35.559 her for the murder of Jeff Parker, and he goes, 1:10:35.600 --> 1:10:37.960 your captain will take your shield, so she hands it 1:10:37.960 --> 1:10:40.759 over to Craigan. They cuff her, and Craigan goes, don't 1:10:40.800 --> 1:10:42.680 talk to anyone without a lawyer. I mean, I've said 1:10:42.720 --> 1:10:44.920 this to you seven times this episode. Maybe you could 1:10:44.960 --> 1:10:47.599 listen now, and Tucker's like, thanks, captain, you can let 1:10:47.680 --> 1:10:49.679 us do our job now, and it's like, fuck you. 1:10:49.680 --> 1:10:52.000 You know her, She's allowed to that's her right, Like 1:10:52.520 --> 1:10:54.720 stop telling her captain that he can't tell her her 1:10:54.840 --> 1:10:58.880 rights anyway. Top of back four, Rollins is taking up 1:10:59.000 --> 1:11:00.840 where she's going through the whole thing, mug shot in 1:11:00.880 --> 1:11:04.320 front of a nasty stained wall, fingerprints, taking off her belt, 1:11:04.400 --> 1:11:07.000 getting her one phone call all because of her piece 1:11:07.000 --> 1:11:10.519 of shit sister. Later, Rollins is in a cell alone 1:11:10.640 --> 1:11:15.080 when her lawyer shows up and da, it's Hashi Horowitz. 1:11:15.439 --> 1:11:18.519 We got him. He was really happy to see him. 1:11:19.120 --> 1:11:20.439 We got Hashi. We did? 1:11:20.600 --> 1:11:23.599 I mean, there are some shitty defense attorneys. I say 1:11:23.600 --> 1:11:24.599 he's one of the good ones. 1:11:24.720 --> 1:11:27.920 Right well, I just love knowing who they pick, like 1:11:28.040 --> 1:11:31.479 when YOWNI needs, you know, a lawyer for his daughter, 1:11:32.040 --> 1:11:36.799 or like the adoption that Benson picked leg Like obviously 1:11:36.840 --> 1:11:37.520 it's probably. 1:11:37.240 --> 1:11:40.800 Because they're married, but I. 1:11:40.240 --> 1:11:42.040 Like to see who they pick, and that means Hashi 1:11:42.040 --> 1:11:44.479 Horowitz is good and like Elizabeth Marvel, I feel was 1:11:44.520 --> 1:11:48.120 hired from the inside before, So I just I do 1:11:48.280 --> 1:11:52.679 like to see where they're professional personal interests. 1:11:52.840 --> 1:11:55.400 Yeah, no one's hiring a Buchanan. I think they're not 1:11:55.439 --> 1:11:58.320 They're like, even I'm not gonna go that low. So 1:11:58.479 --> 1:12:00.840 he introduces himself. He goes, I'm she Horowitz. I'm the 1:12:00.840 --> 1:12:02.640 guy who's going to get you out of this Michigos, 1:12:02.760 --> 1:12:06.360 which you know, you know, in the absence of Belzer, 1:12:06.560 --> 1:12:08.479 it's nice to have a little bit of Yiddish on 1:12:08.520 --> 1:12:11.120 the show. So Craigan's on the phone with one PP 1:12:11.320 --> 1:12:13.400 now promising that his squad is not going to get 1:12:13.400 --> 1:12:15.880 in IAB's way on this blah blah blah. Then he 1:12:15.960 --> 1:12:18.840 hangs up and says, well, one Pps covering their ass, 1:12:18.880 --> 1:12:22.640 where are we? And Amarro's like Atlanta Fidelity, which is 1:12:22.680 --> 1:12:25.360 the company with the insurance policy, they won't talk to us. 1:12:26.120 --> 1:12:28.879 Amanda got the policy from her sister and then gave. 1:12:28.680 --> 1:12:32.400 It to IAB, like the one copy. Kragan's like, here 1:12:32.400 --> 1:12:33.320 the dams criminal. 1:12:33.800 --> 1:12:36.800 I want to watch a series of just people getting 1:12:36.840 --> 1:12:39.000 caught from life insurance. 1:12:39.240 --> 1:12:40.839 Yeah, Like it's the obvious. 1:12:40.840 --> 1:12:44.240 It's like, there's no more I unless the weapons on 1:12:44.280 --> 1:12:46.280 your hand and there's blood on your pants, Like a 1:12:46.320 --> 1:12:48.360 life insurance policy is the next best. 1:12:48.479 --> 1:12:50.360 That's the murder weapon. Yeah, like that might as well 1:12:50.360 --> 1:12:50.639 be it. 1:12:50.800 --> 1:12:54.040 Yeah, if you want to do that, you better plan 1:12:54.160 --> 1:12:58.120 ten years ahead. It needs to be a normal calm 1:12:58.200 --> 1:13:01.080 policy that compound over time. 1:13:01.280 --> 1:13:03.360 And you don't. And you're so right. 1:13:03.880 --> 1:13:06.320 If you wait ten years for the murder, you bide 1:13:06.320 --> 1:13:11.120 your time, then you get your money even seven. I like, yeah, 1:13:11.160 --> 1:13:14.720 it's always months. Yea's always months. They can't for the 1:13:14.800 --> 1:13:17.680 vacations booked. It's like they book the vacation, they he 1:13:17.720 --> 1:13:20.160 books the policy. He pushes her off a cliff. 1:13:20.280 --> 1:13:23.240 He goes to jail, and there's one forensic files where 1:13:23.240 --> 1:13:26.200 there's like truly photos in the film camera that like 1:13:26.320 --> 1:13:29.760 proof the push of off the cliff. I'm sure there's 1:13:29.800 --> 1:13:31.480 listeners that have seen this episode. 1:13:31.760 --> 1:13:35.160 Yes, yes, So Craigan is like, I did tell that 1:13:35.240 --> 1:13:37.080 dumb bitch not to go there without a lawyer, and 1:13:37.120 --> 1:13:39.760 Benson's like, we all did, but we're way past that now. 1:13:40.680 --> 1:13:44.080 And they're like, does anybody here think that Amanda actually 1:13:44.120 --> 1:13:46.679 knew about this policy? No one does, So why would 1:13:46.720 --> 1:13:48.680 Kim do it to protect yourself and the baby if 1:13:48.720 --> 1:13:51.599 anything happened to Jeff, or to make something happen to Jeff. 1:13:51.680 --> 1:13:55.200 They say she called Jeff four times after she got 1:13:55.200 --> 1:13:57.799 to New York City. The last call was two hours 1:13:57.840 --> 1:14:00.920 before he got shot, so like no even thought about this, 1:14:01.040 --> 1:14:03.960 Like she lures him up to the apartment, knows he's armed, 1:14:04.200 --> 1:14:07.960 cries rape, and essentially stages death by cop and then 1:14:08.000 --> 1:14:11.000 eventually and then realizes in the fine print that it 1:14:11.040 --> 1:14:13.400 can't happen in the commission of a felony and is 1:14:13.439 --> 1:14:16.000 trying to now backpedal on all of the folonious things 1:14:16.000 --> 1:14:18.559 he was doing. So Amaro's like, I mean, we've all 1:14:18.560 --> 1:14:22.240 met this girl. She's no criminal mastermind Bence, and he 1:14:22.280 --> 1:14:26.360 goes yes, she's like and Benson goes crazy like this 1:14:26.560 --> 1:14:31.599 is basically like, don't underestimate an insane woman, okay, And 1:14:33.040 --> 1:14:35.880 so yeah, they're like she's gone to IAB because she 1:14:36.000 --> 1:14:38.000 realized she's she's not gonna get paid out and that's 1:14:38.000 --> 1:14:40.000 why she would through the rape accusation and why Amanda 1:14:40.040 --> 1:14:40.479 went to jail. 1:14:40.520 --> 1:14:41.519 So they've all figured it out. 1:14:41.760 --> 1:14:44.240 Seems like it took three seconds of putting their heads together. 1:14:44.680 --> 1:14:48.360 In court, the prosecution wants remand has she asks for 1:14:48.560 --> 1:14:51.040 ro R. He's like, she's poor, she's a cop, she 1:14:51.080 --> 1:14:53.760 has no means to flee. Take her passport, like she's 1:14:53.760 --> 1:14:56.479 not going to go anywhere. The judge like is like, okay, 1:14:56.479 --> 1:14:58.679 I'll split the difference two hundred and fifty thousand dollars 1:14:58.720 --> 1:15:01.160 bail and which I believe is like a twenty five 1:15:01.240 --> 1:15:02.599 K bond, isn't it like ten percent? 1:15:02.800 --> 1:15:04.960 And but Rollins looks like she's about to throw up. 1:15:04.960 --> 1:15:06.479 She's like, that's how much I owe to get, like 1:15:06.520 --> 1:15:09.840 to degenerates in Attica right now. She's like how she 1:15:09.960 --> 1:15:11.600 goes take that as a win. And Amanda looks like 1:15:11.600 --> 1:15:13.000 she's gonna throw up. She's like, I don't have twenty 1:15:13.000 --> 1:15:14.800 five k. And Craigan and Fin walk up and go 1:15:15.520 --> 1:15:20.400 it's taken care of. Craigan says that, and he basically goes, 1:15:20.479 --> 1:15:23.360 don't jump bail or we're all going to be living 1:15:23.360 --> 1:15:25.840 with Finn. So I feel like that means Craigan put 1:15:25.840 --> 1:15:26.439 his house. 1:15:26.280 --> 1:15:29.840 Up for her. Nope, it brings a tear to my eye. 1:15:30.000 --> 1:15:33.360 Yeah, but they all did stand by his ass during 1:15:33.840 --> 1:15:36.960 Carissa Gibson, which, by the way, more echoes of that 1:15:37.000 --> 1:15:37.400 to come. 1:15:38.000 --> 1:15:40.960 And it's in Benson's words, it's the biggest gang in 1:15:41.000 --> 1:15:43.240 New York, you know, Yeah. 1:15:42.640 --> 1:15:44.240 Truly, truly they are. 1:15:45.600 --> 1:15:50.519 So Amanda's getting her shit leaving jail, thanking Craigan. He's saying, yeah, 1:15:50.520 --> 1:15:53.439 please don't jump bail haw She tells Amanda that you can't. 1:15:53.640 --> 1:15:56.000 She's not even trustworthy, Like that's the thing. They actually 1:15:56.040 --> 1:15:58.679 are risking everything because she is not a trustworthy person. 1:15:59.120 --> 1:16:03.800 Yes, And Hushi tells Amanda because Amana was like, I 1:16:03.800 --> 1:16:05.640 gotta go find my sister. And he's like no, no, no, 1:16:05.640 --> 1:16:09.280 no no, under no circumstances can you contact talk to 1:16:09.320 --> 1:16:12.040 your sister in any way, like not even a text, 1:16:12.040 --> 1:16:15.240 bitch like don't and uh, Rollins goes, she just wants 1:16:15.240 --> 1:16:17.479 the insurance money. She's like a little girl. And they 1:16:17.479 --> 1:16:20.680 tell her, your sister set you up. She's cooperating with 1:16:20.760 --> 1:16:23.240 IAB and if you get in touch with her, they 1:16:23.280 --> 1:16:26.240 will slap you with coercion witness tempering charges Like do 1:16:26.360 --> 1:16:28.679 not do this. Craigan goes, I know this is painful, 1:16:28.680 --> 1:16:32.639 but she is not your sister anymore. And that's that's tough. 1:16:32.720 --> 1:16:35.080 That's tough to hear. So now Kim is in a 1:16:35.080 --> 1:16:38.000 hotel room and just like living it up at this 1:16:38.040 --> 1:16:41.920 little hotel room, ordering room service or delivery, when her 1:16:42.000 --> 1:16:43.960 sister is like rotting in jail to the best of 1:16:44.000 --> 1:16:46.200 her knowledge, and there's a knock at the door. And 1:16:46.240 --> 1:16:48.200 I'm like, please don't be Amanda, Please don't be Amanda. 1:16:48.320 --> 1:16:51.120 It's Amanda. She pushes her way in and goes, we 1:16:51.200 --> 1:16:53.920 need some sister time, me and you, and she's like, 1:16:54.000 --> 1:16:56.120 I'm sorry, Amanda, and she goes, you're sorry you put 1:16:56.160 --> 1:16:59.040 me in jail. And Kim admits to telling Jeff to 1:16:59.080 --> 1:17:02.080 come to New York City and she's like, you set 1:17:02.160 --> 1:17:04.719 Jeff up. You wanted me to kill him. And she's 1:17:04.760 --> 1:17:06.160 like he was a badman, Amanda. 1:17:06.240 --> 1:17:06.800 He beat me. 1:17:07.200 --> 1:17:09.639 He was hurting me when you walked in. And then 1:17:09.800 --> 1:17:11.720 she goes, you know what your problem is, Amanda. You're 1:17:11.720 --> 1:17:13.559 too big for your breitches. You think you're. 1:17:13.400 --> 1:17:14.080 Better than us. 1:17:14.479 --> 1:17:16.639 Mammy used to say that all that ambition would get 1:17:16.680 --> 1:17:19.200 you in trouble one day. And I'm like, this is 1:17:19.200 --> 1:17:23.000 where the title comes from. Deadly ambition, like Rowlin's ambition 1:17:23.160 --> 1:17:26.799 to be a detective in like first in the Atlanta 1:17:26.800 --> 1:17:29.519 p D. Then like it's not like she's like I'm 1:17:29.560 --> 1:17:31.800 gonna be president, I'm going to be a CEO. Like 1:17:31.840 --> 1:17:33.320 she's like, I just want to be a cop and 1:17:33.400 --> 1:17:37.200 like solve crimes. I guess too much ambition for that 1:17:37.240 --> 1:17:41.880 weird family. But anyway, she says to Kim, are you 1:17:41.920 --> 1:17:44.800 ev pregnant? And Kim goes, how can you ask me that? 1:17:45.000 --> 1:17:47.599 And Amanda goes to walk out, and then she goes, well, 1:17:47.640 --> 1:17:49.720 I thought I was pregnant. I was a week late. 1:17:50.080 --> 1:17:52.680 I wrote in mind. I just wrote this, bitch, Like, 1:17:52.800 --> 1:17:57.439 are you kidding? Amanda is spiraling, like all of this 1:17:57.520 --> 1:18:01.000 has been like with the background thought of a baby 1:18:01.040 --> 1:18:03.880 coming into this world to this abusive man never was. 1:18:03.920 --> 1:18:05.240 It was a late period. 1:18:05.880 --> 1:18:09.879 And so now Amanda shows up at doctor Olivet's office 1:18:10.439 --> 1:18:12.800 and you know, she said, I'll sleep when I have 1:18:12.840 --> 1:18:16.080 my gun. I'm gonna be fine. Now she's feeling the anxiety. 1:18:16.200 --> 1:18:18.960 She's like, tells doctor olive She's like, doctor Olivet's like, 1:18:18.960 --> 1:18:19.559 I have a patient. 1:18:19.600 --> 1:18:20.000 What's up? 1:18:20.000 --> 1:18:22.400 And she goes, my sister set me up, and you 1:18:22.400 --> 1:18:25.280 said I should call you if I felt anxiety. She's like, okay, 1:18:25.280 --> 1:18:28.360 well we can set up an appointment. But like, side note, 1:18:28.400 --> 1:18:30.240 I do work for the NYPD. 1:18:29.960 --> 1:18:31.400 So I can. 1:18:32.920 --> 1:18:37.400 Yeah, I can recommend someone outside the department. And Amanda's like, oh, right, 1:18:37.520 --> 1:18:39.240 got it. I guess when you said call me, you 1:18:39.240 --> 1:18:43.680 didn't mean show up unannounced. But also, is that like 1:18:44.040 --> 1:18:46.680 the way it is like if the NYPD pays for 1:18:46.800 --> 1:18:52.600 your psychical anything you say is public knowledge to them, 1:18:52.920 --> 1:18:56.080 Like if you say it's wrong, yeah yeah, like HR, 1:18:56.120 --> 1:18:57.920 they're the HR. It's like, but it feels like. 1:18:57.920 --> 1:18:59.800 It's against client, like doctor client. 1:19:00.479 --> 1:19:02.759 Like if you say, oh, yeah, I'm having suicidal thoughts, 1:19:03.280 --> 1:19:05.320 they tell that and then you lose your job. Like 1:19:06.400 --> 1:19:08.439 I don't know someone right in, I don't know, why 1:19:08.439 --> 1:19:10.840 would anybody go to these these doctors. 1:19:10.840 --> 1:19:11.759 It's that's crazy. 1:19:11.840 --> 1:19:13.680 Anyway, they don't actually want them to be well. So 1:19:13.720 --> 1:19:17.640 it's like saying, whatever, yeah, I don't know. 1:19:17.800 --> 1:19:21.200 That just didn't feel like that's necessarily what Huang always 1:19:21.200 --> 1:19:21.679 would have done. 1:19:21.680 --> 1:19:24.479 But anyway, well but Huang worked for the FBI. FBI, 1:19:25.160 --> 1:19:26.599 he could do whatever the fuck he wants. 1:19:26.680 --> 1:19:27.000 That's that. 1:19:27.479 --> 1:19:31.559 Yep, that's not on that not an NYPD employee. But yes, 1:19:31.840 --> 1:19:33.800 all of that's a real one. She fucking warns her. 1:19:33.800 --> 1:19:38.040 Amanda leaves, so now outside the precinct, Kim approaches Amorrow 1:19:38.120 --> 1:19:41.120 by the row of cop cars. This is exactly Carissa 1:19:41.120 --> 1:19:44.839 Gibson coded. This is exactly what happens when Cariissa Gibson 1:19:44.880 --> 1:19:48.400 goes up to Amorrow and is like Detective Lauro, I'm scared, 1:19:48.560 --> 1:19:49.879 and she does the exact same. 1:19:49.720 --> 1:19:52.599 Thing we talked to him on Zoom. 1:19:53.479 --> 1:19:55.439 I can't blame any of these women, you know what 1:19:55.439 --> 1:19:58.040 I mean. I know they're all like, if I can 1:19:58.080 --> 1:20:00.640 get this guy outside in front of a bunch of 1:20:00.680 --> 1:20:02.000 cop cars, I can try to. 1:20:01.920 --> 1:20:03.840 Fuck him and maybe he'll help me, Like that is 1:20:03.880 --> 1:20:04.760 what people think. 1:20:05.000 --> 1:20:07.840 And he's and he's he loves it. I mean, you know, 1:20:08.000 --> 1:20:11.640 he's like he's doing it. And Kim's like, I'm like, 1:20:11.720 --> 1:20:14.320 it's not me, it's Tucker. He's twisting everything I say. 1:20:14.400 --> 1:20:16.920 And Marrow's like, I can't talk to you, and Kim's like, yeah, 1:20:17.040 --> 1:20:20.760 nobody can. Victim Victim victim like, and Tomorrow is like 1:20:21.120 --> 1:20:21.960 have you been eating? 1:20:22.800 --> 1:20:23.280 Okay? 1:20:23.520 --> 1:20:27.439 So then hard cut to a nice white tablecloth restaurant 1:20:27.439 --> 1:20:32.200 where Kim is ordering the lobster wild the number of 1:20:32.280 --> 1:20:35.240 meals this girl has squeezed out in this episode, and 1:20:35.240 --> 1:20:37.679 now she's like, I'll have the surf and turf, just whatever, 1:20:37.720 --> 1:20:40.240 the most expensive, what's the market catch, Like, I'll have that. 1:20:41.160 --> 1:20:43.880 Amar apologizes, he's like on his phone, He's like, sorry, 1:20:43.920 --> 1:20:46.439 I'm texting my daughter, and she's like, you're such a 1:20:46.479 --> 1:20:49.360 good Dad, and then she's like, did you hear I 1:20:49.400 --> 1:20:53.280 lost the baby? Like she's diabolical, and then he goes, oh, no, 1:20:53.439 --> 1:20:55.360 I hadn't heard that because iaby told us not to 1:20:55.360 --> 1:20:57.559 talk to your sister, so we haven't talked to Amanda. 1:20:57.920 --> 1:21:00.519 And then she's like feigning all this concern for Amanda, 1:21:00.560 --> 1:21:03.400 telling Tomorrow, Wow, you can tell I really love my sister. 1:21:03.479 --> 1:21:04.800 You're such a good detective. 1:21:05.439 --> 1:21:10.000 And then she negs him and goes, my sister underestimated 1:21:10.000 --> 1:21:12.800 you and then starts talking about how Amanda always thinks 1:21:12.800 --> 1:21:15.840 she's the smartest person in the room, like whatever, and 1:21:15.880 --> 1:21:19.120 he's like, yeah, that's why I don't get how she 1:21:19.160 --> 1:21:21.880 got herself into this situation, Like she's pretty smart, she 1:21:21.920 --> 1:21:26.479 wouldn't take out a insurance Also, are you allowed to 1:21:26.520 --> 1:21:28.240 just take out an insurance policy on anyone? 1:21:28.320 --> 1:21:29.360 Can I take one out on you? 1:21:29.800 --> 1:21:31.599 Like you could do whatever you want, because Vicky Gunwolson 1:21:31.640 --> 1:21:34.080 tells people to get stuff on their exes, like she 1:21:34.160 --> 1:21:38.920 still has a life insurance policy on Dawn. But Vick 1:21:39.120 --> 1:21:42.920 is like, like a terrible person, So like, I don't know. 1:21:43.240 --> 1:21:45.760 So if you pay into it, you get the money. Yeah, 1:21:45.760 --> 1:21:48.120 when oh that's crazy, I thought I mean, I thought 1:21:48.120 --> 1:21:50.960 I wonder relation, like, can I just take one out 1:21:50.960 --> 1:21:53.320 on anybody? Yeah? Right, it is kind of great because 1:21:53.320 --> 1:21:56.400 like Rollins is not this man's sister in law or anything. 1:21:56.680 --> 1:22:00.160 So anyway back to this deranged date between Amorrow and 1:22:00.280 --> 1:22:03.280 Kim where and He's like, yeah, like, how could she 1:22:03.320 --> 1:22:05.519 be so stupid if she's the smartest person in the room, 1:22:05.600 --> 1:22:07.599 like or even though she's saying that's what she thinks 1:22:07.600 --> 1:22:09.760 about herself, like she is smart. I don't get this, 1:22:10.120 --> 1:22:12.760 And dumb ass Kim is like, well, after I found 1:22:12.760 --> 1:22:15.000 out about that felony clause, I kept telling her just 1:22:15.000 --> 1:22:17.000 say the shooting was an accident, then we both could 1:22:17.000 --> 1:22:19.760 have been rich. And Amara's like, so you were looking 1:22:19.800 --> 1:22:21.360 out for her and that's why you put her name 1:22:21.360 --> 1:22:23.599 on the insurance policy. She goes yeah, like it would 1:22:23.600 --> 1:22:25.240 look bad if it was just my name on it. 1:22:25.360 --> 1:22:28.920 So plus she's got gambling debts. This bitch is airing 1:22:28.960 --> 1:22:32.680 her sister out so hard she doesn't even care. And 1:22:32.720 --> 1:22:35.920 Amara's like, but right now it looks like she just 1:22:35.960 --> 1:22:38.479 came in and shot Jeff in cold blood. 1:22:38.520 --> 1:22:40.360 But you said he had a gun. He did. 1:22:41.240 --> 1:22:43.920 That's why I feel like this is like something that 1:22:43.960 --> 1:22:46.439 got edited out or something like, why are they acting 1:22:46.560 --> 1:22:48.439 like the gun was not found at the scene. I 1:22:48.479 --> 1:22:50.400 saw the gun with my own eyes. Well, I've been 1:22:50.439 --> 1:22:52.640 gaslating you too, saying the gun wasn't there. Yeah, like 1:22:52.760 --> 1:22:55.559 I saw pick up the gun. Unless it's like, but 1:22:55.600 --> 1:22:57.160 then they should have gone back and gone. It was 1:22:57.240 --> 1:23:01.519 actually a fucking like tell me that it's a stapler 1:23:01.720 --> 1:23:03.160 or something like that, you know what I mean. 1:23:03.600 --> 1:23:05.920 So anyway, she goes, he did have a gun. 1:23:05.960 --> 1:23:08.720 I didn't want her to get shot, and then mamar goes, yeah, 1:23:08.760 --> 1:23:11.240 you just wanted Jeff gone, and she goes, yeah, he 1:23:11.360 --> 1:23:14.120 was a bad man, and Amanda only knew the half 1:23:14.200 --> 1:23:15.880 of what he did to me, Like, and I actually 1:23:15.920 --> 1:23:18.320 believe her there. That's maybe the one sentence she said 1:23:18.600 --> 1:23:21.400 the entire time that I believe that this guy was 1:23:21.479 --> 1:23:25.720 worse to her than Amanda even knew. And cut to 1:23:25.760 --> 1:23:28.400 Amorrow's phone, which we've seen sitting on the table the 1:23:28.520 --> 1:23:31.560 entire time at dinner, now playing a recording of this conversation. 1:23:32.280 --> 1:23:35.280 And oh, bitch, I hope you enjoyed that lobster because 1:23:35.320 --> 1:23:36.599 that was your last meal, honey. 1:23:36.960 --> 1:23:39.680 And Amanda's sitting there, let's write I'm glad he got 1:23:39.680 --> 1:23:40.320 to write it off. 1:23:40.680 --> 1:23:42.920 Yeah, Yeah, I'm glad he wasn't paying for that. It's 1:23:42.920 --> 1:23:45.599 like Zara has to you know, Zara Ani's clothes. So 1:23:46.040 --> 1:23:49.080 it's Amorrow, it's Hushi Horowitz, it's Tucker, and Amanda's like 1:23:49.120 --> 1:23:51.720 sitting there and they're all kind of surrounding her. Tucker's like, 1:23:51.760 --> 1:23:54.040 if this recording checks out, we'll be dropping the charges 1:23:54.080 --> 1:23:56.920 against you and pursuing your sister. And Amanda's like still 1:23:56.920 --> 1:23:59.840 sticking up for her. She's like, but you can see here, 1:24:00.200 --> 1:24:02.120 right on this tape. You can hear her talking about 1:24:02.120 --> 1:24:04.519 the abuse, like it's right on the tape. And Tucker's like, 1:24:04.560 --> 1:24:07.040 we're going after her for murder, and Amanda's like, I 1:24:07.080 --> 1:24:10.320 don't want that. She's still my sister. And they're kind 1:24:10.320 --> 1:24:13.639 of like sorry, and she's crying. She starts crying, and 1:24:13.920 --> 1:24:16.920 this is really like I feel like I can count 1:24:16.920 --> 1:24:18.760 on my hands how many times I've seen Rawlins like 1:24:18.840 --> 1:24:21.360 really cry, and this is one of the times. 1:24:21.439 --> 1:24:22.920 And it's it's tough to watch. 1:24:23.479 --> 1:24:26.639 So now we cut to iab dudes at the hotel 1:24:26.760 --> 1:24:30.439 going to pick up Kim and knock knock no one's home. 1:24:30.360 --> 1:24:32.759 And is there an apology from Tucker. Is there a 1:24:33.160 --> 1:24:33.679 my bad. 1:24:33.680 --> 1:24:36.080 No, never, Tucker doesn't do that shit. 1:24:37.840 --> 1:24:40.439 But they knock knock on her little hotel room and 1:24:40.479 --> 1:24:41.160 no one's home. 1:24:41.360 --> 1:24:42.360 She's cleared out. 1:24:42.680 --> 1:24:46.760 Amanda gets to her place and it's been completely cleaned out. 1:24:46.880 --> 1:24:48.920 I've never telling I don't know how she did that. 1:24:48.880 --> 1:24:52.400 One ice cube tray in the freezer. It's a little ridiculous. 1:24:52.400 --> 1:24:55.479 What was she craigslisting furniture, like saying get here in 1:24:55.520 --> 1:24:55.920 an hour. 1:24:56.280 --> 1:24:58.360 She rented a U haul and put the dishes she 1:24:58.400 --> 1:24:59.599 needed the dishes, like. 1:24:59.600 --> 1:25:03.759 Yeah, like that takes a long time to be an apartment. 1:25:04.040 --> 1:25:05.240 Yeah, like there was. 1:25:05.640 --> 1:25:07.280 It would have made more sense if like she came 1:25:07.320 --> 1:25:09.519 home and it was ransacked and like her TV was 1:25:09.600 --> 1:25:11.240 gone and a couple of expensive things. 1:25:11.240 --> 1:25:14.360 But like it's there's nothing there about her blinds. 1:25:14.880 --> 1:25:18.639 What that's like atom ends Like yeah, like every throat 1:25:18.680 --> 1:25:22.280 pillow from the couch, Like this is insane. And there's 1:25:22.280 --> 1:25:24.639 a note on the floor that says, I helped myself 1:25:24.640 --> 1:25:25.320 to some things. 1:25:25.920 --> 1:25:27.880 I'm sorry. I love you, Amanda. 1:25:28.000 --> 1:25:31.479 Even that note is fucking bitchy and like gas lady, 1:25:31.560 --> 1:25:35.200 even the note is like sarcastic and obnoxious and then 1:25:35.280 --> 1:25:37.640 going and then apologizing, and then saying I love you. 1:25:37.880 --> 1:25:40.280 None of the things, none of the second two sentences 1:25:40.320 --> 1:25:42.280 are true. I think I don't think you're sorry. I 1:25:42.280 --> 1:25:44.559 don't think you really love your sister. And then Amanda 1:25:44.600 --> 1:25:49.439 just starts crying again. And that's stick wolf and it's 1:25:49.560 --> 1:25:50.000 real Tome. 1:25:50.880 --> 1:25:54.120 Yeah, and as we know, you know, she's on the 1:25:54.200 --> 1:25:55.439 lamb for a long. 1:25:55.280 --> 1:25:58.040 Time until the flute episode, like like Kim is in 1:25:58.080 --> 1:26:00.519 the wind until the flood episode. So even she's a 1:26:00.600 --> 1:26:02.320 dumb ass, she sticks around New York, it's like, get 1:26:02.320 --> 1:26:04.240 out of there. You know, your sister's whole fucking squad's 1:26:04.240 --> 1:26:07.400 gonna have their eyes open for you. So stupid. I mean, 1:26:07.439 --> 1:26:09.680 they were right, she is too dumb. She's not a 1:26:09.720 --> 1:26:13.680 criminal mastermind. Yeah, but I'm excited to hear about this 1:26:13.760 --> 1:26:18.799 case because I don't know, I don't know what it is. 1:26:23.040 --> 1:26:26.720 So this is the Tracy Robertson case. We're talking Texas 1:26:26.800 --> 1:26:30.880 two thousand and six. Darryl Roberson comes home from a 1:26:30.960 --> 1:26:35.280 late night card game on December eleventh, sometime after midnight, 1:26:35.320 --> 1:26:38.160 in the morning hours of the night. So she told 1:26:38.200 --> 1:26:40.840 her husband she's gonna just take a bath. But then 1:26:41.080 --> 1:26:43.400 he tried calling her and there was just no answer, 1:26:43.720 --> 1:26:45.679 and it's because she was outside. 1:26:45.720 --> 1:26:46.479 But he didn't know that. 1:26:46.760 --> 1:26:49.479 No one's answering any of the phones, his daughter's cell phones, 1:26:49.520 --> 1:26:51.599 the wife's cell phone. He tried calling for a half 1:26:51.640 --> 1:26:55.760 hour between one thirty eight am and two twelve am, 1:26:55.960 --> 1:26:58.360 and he became concerned. He finally got his seven year 1:26:58.360 --> 1:27:02.439 old daughter Jr. On the line at two twelve am, 1:27:03.040 --> 1:27:05.960 and she tells Darryl that she can't find her mom 1:27:05.960 --> 1:27:08.800 in the house. So he drives to the house and 1:27:08.880 --> 1:27:11.000 while talking to his daughter on the phone the whole time, 1:27:11.120 --> 1:27:14.479 he's like locked the front door, and so he comes 1:27:14.479 --> 1:27:17.000 home early. He couldn't because he gets he couldn't get 1:27:17.000 --> 1:27:19.120 a hold of her, so he would have been playing 1:27:19.120 --> 1:27:22.479 cards later. This is like his game night, but he 1:27:22.520 --> 1:27:25.200 got scared. So then he finds his wife with another man, 1:27:25.320 --> 1:27:28.120 Devin LaSalle, in a pickup truck in the driveway and 1:27:28.400 --> 1:27:30.800 I guess, you know, like her titty was in his mouth. 1:27:31.439 --> 1:27:37.920 So that's what the article said. I didn't put it in, 1:27:38.040 --> 1:27:39.400 but it is. It was one of those. 1:27:41.680 --> 1:27:44.559 She was very very she was wearing very little clothing. 1:27:45.000 --> 1:27:45.920 She was with her lover. 1:27:46.439 --> 1:27:48.839 She said she was being raped though, So her husband 1:27:48.880 --> 1:27:52.479 fired four shots into the truck as Devin Lesal drove off, 1:27:52.520 --> 1:27:54.040 and he did kill him. 1:27:54.479 --> 1:27:57.120 So Devin is dead now. 1:27:57.479 --> 1:27:59.760 He was driving off because I guess people knew a 1:27:59.800 --> 1:28:03.320 core to court documents from the appeal attempts that he 1:28:03.479 --> 1:28:06.120 was known to have a very very violent temper and 1:28:06.160 --> 1:28:10.080 that even when he realized, like when he realized what 1:28:10.120 --> 1:28:12.920 was happening, he was like, oh shit, Darryl, like he 1:28:13.000 --> 1:28:14.400 knew he had to get the fuck out of there, 1:28:14.680 --> 1:28:17.960 shifted to reverse to back up, like he knew that 1:28:18.040 --> 1:28:20.640 this guy was probably you know, had a gun and 1:28:20.720 --> 1:28:24.559 had a temper. A witness, William Carlyle to ABC News, 1:28:24.600 --> 1:28:26.280 said that the man ran up to the truck through 1:28:26.280 --> 1:28:29.240 the driver's window. The fact that there's names are Darryl 1:28:29.280 --> 1:28:31.800 and Devin is like kind of fucked up. It's very 1:28:31.800 --> 1:28:36.120 hard for me and I need everyone to know that. So, 1:28:36.120 --> 1:28:39.800 so this is Darryl. The husband runs up to the 1:28:39.880 --> 1:28:41.920 truck through This is from a witness, to the driver's 1:28:42.000 --> 1:28:44.920 window and just shot and emptied the clip right into 1:28:44.960 --> 1:28:48.839 the man point blank. Some investigators say that Darryl screamed 1:28:48.840 --> 1:28:51.080 for her to get out of the truck and accused 1:28:51.080 --> 1:28:53.840 her of cheating on him after he already shot the man. 1:28:55.280 --> 1:28:57.680 On the stand, she admitted that they'd been having an 1:28:57.720 --> 1:28:59.920 affair for two months, and she also said on the 1:29:00.080 --> 1:29:02.439 stand that she was a battered woman in a marriage 1:29:02.520 --> 1:29:05.439 with her high school sweetheart who sucked, and that Devin 1:29:05.479 --> 1:29:09.360 was hot and young and flirty. And relatives of Robertson 1:29:09.400 --> 1:29:12.280 testified that she was in an abusive and controlling marriage 1:29:12.320 --> 1:29:15.960 and gave examples of previous abuse, including an incident where 1:29:16.000 --> 1:29:18.439 he pulled a gun on her during an argument fifteen 1:29:18.520 --> 1:29:23.040 years prior. So this isn't like a great guy. So 1:29:23.120 --> 1:29:25.800 prosecutors said that she yelled out for help and cried rape. 1:29:25.840 --> 1:29:28.000 So that and that is what happened. So and in 1:29:28.040 --> 1:29:31.880 court documents everyone agrees on that she she screamed rape 1:29:31.920 --> 1:29:36.759 before he started to shoot. Daryl was arrested and charged 1:29:36.760 --> 1:29:40.880 with murder, but then those charges were dropped and a 1:29:40.920 --> 1:29:42.919 grand jury indicted Tracy instead. 1:29:44.120 --> 1:29:45.519 And yeah, and that she just. 1:29:45.479 --> 1:29:47.439 Wanted her She just wanted her shitty husband to go 1:29:47.479 --> 1:29:49.760 to jail and didn't care if he killed her boyfriend. 1:29:50.520 --> 1:29:52.519 I don't think so. I think she was scared that 1:29:52.640 --> 1:29:59.120 she just got caught cheating and started screaming rape to 1:29:59.160 --> 1:30:01.840 make up for it reminds me of the Chloe sevenya. 1:30:01.560 --> 1:30:03.680 Episode is wow maybe at all? 1:30:04.920 --> 1:30:05.080 Right? 1:30:05.240 --> 1:30:06.840 Is that one? Or am I thinking there's one with 1:30:07.400 --> 1:30:10.360 the other one that mother, isn't it? Yeah? 1:30:10.360 --> 1:30:11.680 And the other one it's like a mom and the 1:30:11.760 --> 1:30:14.280 card it's a mother one and then the son kills 1:30:14.280 --> 1:30:14.839 his friend. 1:30:15.320 --> 1:30:18.200 Yeah yeah. Not the Chloe seven yea. My bad. 1:30:18.800 --> 1:30:23.040 Also, that one has Valentine's Day in the title, and 1:30:23.120 --> 1:30:25.960 the Rihanna one has like funny like funny value yea. 1:30:26.800 --> 1:30:29.680 And that really fucks me up as well, because I 1:30:29.720 --> 1:30:33.519 don't like watching the Rihanna one. Yeah, that one sucks, 1:30:33.720 --> 1:30:35.960 and not to compare traumas, but I love watching Chloe 1:30:35.960 --> 1:30:41.479 seven ye So yeah, do anything, Okay, Darryl, So Daryl 1:30:41.520 --> 1:30:43.320 was accused, they were like fuck that and this is 1:30:43.320 --> 1:30:46.519 so Texas, Like okay, fine, like add charges to her 1:30:47.040 --> 1:30:50.680 for sure. She caused like you know, like if you're 1:30:50.720 --> 1:30:54.160 screaming rape and you know your husband loves guns, but 1:30:54.320 --> 1:30:58.439 like the shooter should still also be charged with mans 1:30:58.600 --> 1:30:59.840 Like what are you talking about? 1:30:59.880 --> 1:31:06.040 You shot a man four times? Like I can't believe it. 1:31:06.080 --> 1:31:08.599 And the detective dishco I couldn't find his first name, 1:31:08.640 --> 1:31:11.320 but in court papers it states that he testified that 1:31:11.360 --> 1:31:13.959 according to the nine to one to one call recording, 1:31:14.000 --> 1:31:16.479 it did not appear that Daryl believed that Lasal was 1:31:16.520 --> 1:31:21.519 attempting to rape the tracy and testified that he thought 1:31:21.520 --> 1:31:24.880 that Daryl was just a jealous man. And then Barry 1:31:25.000 --> 1:31:33.760 Dickie forensic analysist, did I say that wrong? Analysts analysish, 1:31:33.840 --> 1:31:36.839 my god, it's so loud. Okay, the very Dickie forensic 1:31:36.840 --> 1:31:40.600 analysts testified that he did not appear to be collaborating 1:31:40.760 --> 1:31:44.720 or colluding with one another during the call, but they 1:31:44.720 --> 1:31:47.160 were arguing during the first five minutes of the call. 1:31:47.479 --> 1:31:47.959 Okay. 1:31:48.600 --> 1:31:52.759 She had a three day trial and defense attorneys called 1:31:52.840 --> 1:31:56.040 no witnesses, but did blame the death on Daryl's jealousy 1:31:56.040 --> 1:31:59.200 and rage. Prosecutors put it all on her improved the 1:31:59.240 --> 1:32:01.519 affair that she was having with LaSalle, and even a 1:32:01.560 --> 1:32:04.479 text message that invited him over to the house that night. 1:32:05.520 --> 1:32:09.519 So one text, which was State Exhibits fifty seven, said yes, 1:32:09.680 --> 1:32:13.600 please only one request in all caps, come on my 1:32:13.720 --> 1:32:17.920 back and let it flow into my butt exclamation point, 1:32:18.120 --> 1:32:20.520 and then please in all caps. 1:32:20.520 --> 1:32:24.520 Oh my god, stop is that merch. 1:32:26.920 --> 1:32:30.840 Oh my god, I think I want to make only 1:32:30.920 --> 1:32:34.120 one request, babe, aim higher, Like you can ask for 1:32:34.160 --> 1:32:36.519 a couple of different things. When you're hooking up with someone, 1:32:36.920 --> 1:32:40.400 your only request is that he is, that he don't 1:32:40.479 --> 1:32:43.439 kink shame her. That's her only request. She's like, all 1:32:43.479 --> 1:32:46.160 I need is for you just shoot it on my 1:32:46.240 --> 1:32:49.160 bag and let it drip down. Oh my god, Wow, 1:32:49.920 --> 1:32:51.920 caps that I'm making. 1:32:52.000 --> 1:32:55.559 I'm definitely making a necklace with the first letter of 1:32:55.680 --> 1:32:56.320 every word. 1:32:58.520 --> 1:33:01.720 That a perfect friendship, buthlet only one rick. 1:33:04.040 --> 1:33:06.240 But also, rape can happen even if you invite someone 1:33:06.280 --> 1:33:08.160 over to compet you, you know what I mean, So 1:33:08.280 --> 1:33:11.719 like that's also a thing that is real. On the stand, 1:33:11.800 --> 1:33:14.800 she did say they had only had two sexual encounters. 1:33:16.120 --> 1:33:18.960 They flirted a bunch at Walmart and then at school 1:33:18.960 --> 1:33:22.599 pick up for a while. But the dude who did 1:33:22.600 --> 1:33:25.120 the shooting again, I already said this should have gone 1:33:25.120 --> 1:33:25.479 in trouble. 1:33:25.520 --> 1:33:25.960 It's weird. 1:33:26.040 --> 1:33:29.280 But again, it's Texas and they just saw him as 1:33:29.320 --> 1:33:33.559 a protective husband. But even if it was rape, someone 1:33:33.680 --> 1:33:35.720 was dead, Like you still have to like go to 1:33:35.760 --> 1:33:38.400 court and say with self defense, like or enraged or 1:33:38.439 --> 1:33:40.760 I was this or that, like to fully not even 1:33:40.960 --> 1:33:41.879 any charges. 1:33:42.000 --> 1:33:43.479 To me, is wild. 1:33:43.880 --> 1:33:46.840 I think it's justifiable homicide if you kill someone while 1:33:46.880 --> 1:33:49.320 they're committing a felony, like as you you're like, I 1:33:49.880 --> 1:33:51.200 was protecting someone. 1:33:51.400 --> 1:33:54.480 I don't know, I mean, especially in Texas. 1:33:54.360 --> 1:33:56.679 But they saw her as setting the killing in motion 1:33:56.800 --> 1:34:00.960 with a false accusation, and yeah, it's isn't able to fire, 1:34:01.080 --> 1:34:03.320 so justified to shoot to kill the defend. Just what 1:34:03.400 --> 1:34:06.360 Kara said. So she was convicted of manslaughter in two 1:34:06.400 --> 1:34:10.840 thousand and eight. Some reports say involuntary, but all the 1:34:10.880 --> 1:34:12.920 court documents just say manslaughter. 1:34:13.160 --> 1:34:14.720 So it is what it is. 1:34:15.600 --> 1:34:19.280 Manslaughter means someone recklessly causes the death of an individual, 1:34:19.840 --> 1:34:22.920 which also means they were aware of the substantial and 1:34:23.080 --> 1:34:28.559 unjustifiable risk that the circumstances exist or the result will occur, 1:34:29.360 --> 1:34:30.519 and disregarded them. 1:34:30.560 --> 1:34:32.760 I don't know what that is, like drunk driving, Like 1:34:32.800 --> 1:34:35.000 when you drive drunk, it's like you know you could 1:34:35.040 --> 1:34:36.960 hurt someone and you don't like like. 1:34:37.000 --> 1:34:40.280 Her screaming rape, she was whatever. 1:34:40.479 --> 1:34:42.400 She could have been scared either way, I don't know, 1:34:42.439 --> 1:34:46.000 but like, yeah, I think she should have gotten charged, 1:34:46.040 --> 1:34:48.120 but so should of him. 1:34:48.479 --> 1:34:51.160 I mean, because she was thinking fast, going Oh my God, 1:34:51.640 --> 1:34:54.400 my husband's gonna kill me, like and so she just 1:34:54.760 --> 1:34:56.640 so even if she made that up, did she have 1:34:56.680 --> 1:34:58.880 a reasonable expectation that he was going to be murdered? 1:34:58.880 --> 1:35:01.720 Did she know her husband had the gun on him? Yeah, 1:35:01.760 --> 1:35:03.360 like I think, I mean he's pulled a gun on 1:35:03.439 --> 1:35:06.080 her before. Like I think he's a gun totally. I 1:35:06.120 --> 1:35:09.439 mean he's driving with a gun, wasted from poker night. Yeah, 1:35:09.479 --> 1:35:12.920 Like her defense should have just been like, this is 1:35:12.920 --> 1:35:15.080 a man with a pattern of abuse towards her, and 1:35:15.720 --> 1:35:20.200 she would either he died, my boyfriend died, or I die. 1:35:20.960 --> 1:35:22.920 Yeah, and it's just like, oh my god, where the 1:35:22.920 --> 1:35:24.720 fuck is my wife? Could have been the vibe or 1:35:24.720 --> 1:35:27.240 it could have been like, oh no, what's my kids 1:35:27.280 --> 1:35:29.839 are alone? And I can't my wife's like what happens? 1:35:29.840 --> 1:35:33.640 So it's like, yeah, we really just don't know. I 1:35:33.680 --> 1:35:34.720 don't know it. 1:35:34.720 --> 1:35:38.520 Would I mean, I'd have to like fucking read the transcripts. 1:35:38.520 --> 1:35:42.519 I guess, Okay, some more about Manstortter. 1:35:42.560 --> 1:35:44.679 There's so the front criminal responsible if the result would 1:35:44.680 --> 1:35:47.160 not have occurred but for this conduct. But what I 1:35:47.280 --> 1:35:50.960 say is my legally blonde el Woods in class moment. 1:35:51.479 --> 1:35:53.320 Can they prove that the man wouldn't have shot him 1:35:53.320 --> 1:35:56.320 from being just jealous, Like you can't prove that, Like 1:35:56.360 --> 1:35:58.439 you can't prove that the rape led to the shooting. 1:35:58.479 --> 1:36:01.120 He could have been in a jealous rage right by 1:36:01.400 --> 1:36:05.120 multiple witnesses. Yes, I don't think you can prove that 1:36:05.120 --> 1:36:08.120 he wouldn't have shot him without it considering. 1:36:08.040 --> 1:36:08.680 A reasonable doubt. 1:36:08.760 --> 1:36:12.960 Yeah, that all these witnesses said that he was a rageful, 1:36:13.240 --> 1:36:13.960 jealous guy. 1:36:14.720 --> 1:36:15.320 Yeah. 1:36:15.400 --> 1:36:17.760 Devin LaSalle's son Kendall took the stand and it was 1:36:17.800 --> 1:36:21.400 really sad obviously, and the Stephen sadder. So that Sunday, 1:36:22.320 --> 1:36:25.200 him and his son went to an NFL game, the 1:36:25.240 --> 1:36:28.439 Cowboys versus the Saints, and he got an autograph Jersey 1:36:28.640 --> 1:36:31.640 and his dad like cried that day from joy and happiness, 1:36:32.120 --> 1:36:34.240 and like him and his son cried from this like 1:36:34.479 --> 1:36:37.320 amazing day they had at a football game and then 1:36:37.360 --> 1:36:39.679 he was shot just like hours later into the night. 1:36:41.520 --> 1:36:46.240 Damn and Robertson thirty seven. That Tracy Robertson thirty seven. 1:36:46.280 --> 1:36:47.720 At the time of the court case, she cried when 1:36:47.720 --> 1:36:50.479 the verdict was announced. She faced two to twenty years 1:36:50.479 --> 1:36:54.280 in prison. She was sentenced to five years. They stayed 1:36:54.280 --> 1:36:57.160 together though, and Darryl's quoted an ABC seven News saying 1:36:57.160 --> 1:36:59.880 he's never even considered divorce and wishes he could take 1:37:00.040 --> 1:37:02.200 his wife's place in prison because as a man, you 1:37:02.240 --> 1:37:03.439 hate to see your wife hurt. 1:37:03.960 --> 1:37:06.920 So I mean, I mean, they love each other. I 1:37:06.920 --> 1:37:08.400 guess I don't fucking know. 1:37:09.080 --> 1:37:11.360 But it's kind of like the guy in the escape 1:37:11.360 --> 1:37:16.559 at Dan Mora Patricia Arcat situation. You know, sometimes if 1:37:16.720 --> 1:37:20.640 some people are right or die, like yeah it. She 1:37:20.720 --> 1:37:24.960 tried to appeal that was denied on like really quickly. 1:37:25.040 --> 1:37:28.880 August fifth, twenty ten. Legal experts at the University of 1:37:28.880 --> 1:37:32.840 Texas at Austin and Texas Wesleyan University have said they'd 1:37:32.840 --> 1:37:35.400 never heard of a woman being indicted on manslaughter for 1:37:35.479 --> 1:37:38.760 making false claims that led to homicide, But they said 1:37:38.760 --> 1:37:41.920 the legal theory appeared to be sound, and the husband 1:37:41.960 --> 1:37:44.240 was entitled to defend his wife if he thought she 1:37:44.400 --> 1:37:47.960 was being harmed. And that's a direct quote from something 1:37:48.000 --> 1:37:54.240 called Star Telegram. I mean, I wonder if she was 1:37:54.280 --> 1:37:55.920 trying to plan this in any way, but. 1:37:57.880 --> 1:38:00.479 I don't. I don't think, really don't. I think. 1:38:00.600 --> 1:38:03.760 I think honestly, she went to Walmart a bunch they 1:38:03.760 --> 1:38:05.800 would meet up in the parking lot. He was like 1:38:05.880 --> 1:38:09.680 probably like hot and flirty. She loved the attention. They 1:38:09.720 --> 1:38:13.760 hooked up and then this was their second hookup, and 1:38:13.800 --> 1:38:20.840 the guy like, okay, damn, damn because they talk about 1:38:20.880 --> 1:38:23.360 how autious that's a late ass card game till two 1:38:23.400 --> 1:38:23.880 in the morning. 1:38:25.240 --> 1:38:25.720 I don't know. 1:38:26.120 --> 1:38:29.400 I get it, I get it. But he came home early. 1:38:29.479 --> 1:38:31.280 He would have stayed out late. He was just checking in, 1:38:31.479 --> 1:38:33.880 you know. It seemed like I don't know, but he 1:38:33.880 --> 1:38:36.639 could have been a controlling person like we don't know anything. 1:38:36.680 --> 1:38:39.160 This is very gone girl. Okay, this is very gone girl. 1:38:39.200 --> 1:38:42.280 It can go either way. He could have been like, 1:38:42.320 --> 1:38:46.960 where the fuck is my wife? Yeah, motherfucker, you're trying 1:38:46.960 --> 1:38:50.080 to fuck you know. Or it could have been my 1:38:50.200 --> 1:38:52.960 daughter's alone at home. I'm checking in with my wife 1:38:52.960 --> 1:38:56.000 to see if I needed to come home. Yeah, I 1:38:56.040 --> 1:38:58.880 couldn't get a hold of her. I don't trust a man, 1:38:58.920 --> 1:39:00.800 and he has pulled a gun to her head, before, 1:39:00.880 --> 1:39:02.320 so sure, yeah, sure. 1:39:02.400 --> 1:39:05.120 I just feel like the defense could have presented like 1:39:05.479 --> 1:39:07.639 a whole pattern of abuse and that she was acting 1:39:07.840 --> 1:39:10.679 now of like her but not and maybe not in Texas, 1:39:10.760 --> 1:39:11.200 I don't know. 1:39:11.439 --> 1:39:13.920 But also they can't prove that he wouldn't have shot 1:39:13.960 --> 1:39:17.080 the man without the rape thing, Like I don't. 1:39:17.200 --> 1:39:20.680 Yeah, it's whatever it is, what it is. 1:39:20.840 --> 1:39:23.519 There probably men on the story that thought, if my 1:39:23.560 --> 1:39:25.479 girl yells at that out, I'm killing a guy. 1:39:25.640 --> 1:39:29.320 I wonder who afforded better lawyers? Like who ran the 1:39:29.320 --> 1:39:32.360 Grand Jurt Like, we don't know any of that stuff either. 1:39:33.200 --> 1:39:35.439 Yeah, all right, Well we have a great guest, so 1:39:35.479 --> 1:39:42.479 nobody move a muscle, will be right back. Our guest 1:39:42.479 --> 1:39:46.599 today is an actor and prolific audiobook narrator. She has 1:39:46.640 --> 1:39:49.360 been featured on such shows as Star Trek, The Next Generation, 1:39:49.520 --> 1:39:52.600 Judging Amy, and many others. But you know her for 1:39:52.680 --> 1:39:56.679 playing the iconic role of doctor Elizabeth Olive across multiple 1:39:56.680 --> 1:40:00.800 seasons and franchises of Law and Order, Looting, and most 1:40:00.800 --> 1:40:04.799 notably The Mothership, but also this gorgeous episode of SVU. 1:40:05.200 --> 1:40:08.040 Please enjoy our chat with the talented Carolyn McCormick. 1:40:09.040 --> 1:40:14.240 Hello, Hi, Carol, looking at you? Hello, Hello, so nice 1:40:14.280 --> 1:40:15.600 to meet you. 1:40:15.600 --> 1:40:17.720 You too, God, You guys got me looking back at 1:40:17.800 --> 1:40:18.960 old SVUS. 1:40:19.200 --> 1:40:21.960 Oh really, I just watched all of yours last night, 1:40:22.120 --> 1:40:22.920 back to back. 1:40:23.240 --> 1:40:23.680 Loved it. 1:40:23.720 --> 1:40:26.760 Did you see the one where I was pregnant because 1:40:26.800 --> 1:40:27.720 I didn't see that one. 1:40:27.760 --> 1:40:31.000 I did one in nineteen ninety nine. 1:40:31.960 --> 1:40:33.519 Was that must have been season one or just look 1:40:33.640 --> 1:40:33.960 like one. 1:40:34.120 --> 1:40:36.760 It was season one and they were still shooting in 1:40:36.760 --> 1:40:39.240 New Jersey because the mothership, Law and Order was still. 1:40:39.040 --> 1:40:39.920 At Chelsea Pears. 1:40:40.479 --> 1:40:44.800 Oh okay so, and I was super pregnant, and I 1:40:44.880 --> 1:40:47.759 remember they had a really hard time shooting around my stomach. 1:40:48.360 --> 1:40:50.200 I couldn't tell it all. No, I just loved your 1:40:50.240 --> 1:40:53.439 little short haircut. It was like a I had. 1:40:53.760 --> 1:40:56.320 I had so many different haircuts I called all the whole, 1:40:56.360 --> 1:40:58.000 all the Law and Order. I called them a study 1:40:58.000 --> 1:40:58.760 in hairstyles. 1:40:58.880 --> 1:41:00.960 Yeah, went Marishka. 1:41:01.560 --> 1:41:05.519 Well, watching them all back to back, I also realized 1:41:05.720 --> 1:41:08.800 your character is such good jewelry, Like. 1:41:08.920 --> 1:41:10.920 Yeah, she does have nice jewelry. 1:41:10.600 --> 1:41:12.479 Like I wonder if she comes from month, Like I 1:41:12.560 --> 1:41:15.800 was like, damn, she has the best opals there were jays. 1:41:15.560 --> 1:41:16.799 And she has good clothes. 1:41:16.880 --> 1:41:20.519 My roommate from college is an actual therapist. And I 1:41:20.600 --> 1:41:22.320 used to call her all the time and ask her 1:41:22.880 --> 1:41:24.920 she's a psych psychologist And I would say. 1:41:24.760 --> 1:41:25.439 What does this term me? 1:41:25.479 --> 1:41:28.479 Blah blah blah, and she would say, I want to 1:41:28.520 --> 1:41:29.160 do your job. 1:41:29.280 --> 1:41:33.360 I want your wardrobe. I want your true she says, 1:41:33.560 --> 1:41:35.720 I do the real stuff, and you look so much 1:41:35.760 --> 1:41:36.640 better than I do. 1:41:37.640 --> 1:41:39.760 And then there was one episode I watched, but it's 1:41:39.840 --> 1:41:43.400 like Abuse in season two, but you're in a green 1:41:43.439 --> 1:41:45.639 turtle neck sweater and Marishka is in a brown one, 1:41:45.640 --> 1:41:47.360 and you just look like the cover of like a 1:41:47.439 --> 1:41:48.360 fall catalog. 1:41:49.200 --> 1:41:51.680 Yes, oh yeah, I think that was right after I 1:41:51.720 --> 1:41:52.320 had my baby. 1:41:53.080 --> 1:41:53.280 Yeah. 1:41:53.360 --> 1:41:58.920 Wait, so you obviously lawn Order original recipe icon there 1:41:58.960 --> 1:42:01.400 for a long time. So when you do these other ones, 1:42:01.439 --> 1:42:03.200 they just call you in right, you're not you know, 1:42:03.240 --> 1:42:04.200 they're like, you're coming out. 1:42:04.240 --> 1:42:06.200 They just asked me, but they don't ask me anymore. 1:42:06.560 --> 1:42:07.439 I think I'm too old. 1:42:07.680 --> 1:42:09.040 No, No, it's not that. 1:42:09.360 --> 1:42:12.920 It's like, I mean, your character just on SVU was 1:42:12.960 --> 1:42:15.240 like more the George Wong character, like what b D. 1:42:15.360 --> 1:42:17.519 Wong ends up being, right, So it's him for like 1:42:17.560 --> 1:42:20.120 so many seasons. And now they don't even really go 1:42:20.160 --> 1:42:23.240 into the psychology as much, which we miss, like we 1:42:23.439 --> 1:42:25.479 like they just it's not like they've replaced you with 1:42:25.560 --> 1:42:26.120 someone younger. 1:42:26.160 --> 1:42:28.280 They just kind of don't have that element as much, 1:42:28.760 --> 1:42:29.000 you know. 1:42:30.080 --> 1:42:32.760 Yeah, and I love the psychology of it. Yeah, you 1:42:32.840 --> 1:42:36.439 do to people who do those deviant crimes clearly have 1:42:36.600 --> 1:42:40.720 psychological issues that should be addressed. And I was just 1:42:40.760 --> 1:42:45.160 watching rewatching this morning, that Munchausen episode, which is such 1:42:45.200 --> 1:42:49.920 an interesting thing about debilitating your own child in order to. 1:42:51.880 --> 1:42:54.400 Keep them dependent, so disturbing. 1:42:54.680 --> 1:42:57.400 Yeah, it's and you get it out of that. She 1:42:57.560 --> 1:43:01.240 was so good, Dendre Taylor. Yeah a good, she was 1:43:01.320 --> 1:43:04.080 really good. But yeah, it's like that's when she felt 1:43:04.080 --> 1:43:07.320 safe and got attention, was when she was sick and 1:43:07.360 --> 1:43:09.679 not like figuring it out. 1:43:09.760 --> 1:43:13.439 Yeah, I think there's like an addiction to like the 1:43:13.479 --> 1:43:17.480 pity and the yeah, the attention. 1:43:17.560 --> 1:43:19.599 But that's why we love this element of the show 1:43:19.760 --> 1:43:23.040 because it grounds it in reality, and we like that. 1:43:23.320 --> 1:43:24.759 We like to learn, learn the things. 1:43:24.760 --> 1:43:26.479 You also get to be on the stand a lot, 1:43:26.720 --> 1:43:30.320 which are those fun days at work or you're like, fucking, 1:43:30.320 --> 1:43:31.320 it's a lot of bang. 1:43:31.160 --> 1:43:33.639 Day because what they do they do this thing called 1:43:33.680 --> 1:43:37.360 block shooting, So they shoot over your shoulder, the camera's here, 1:43:37.680 --> 1:43:40.040 and they shoot the courtroom and all the extras so 1:43:40.080 --> 1:43:42.960 that they can let the extras go. Oh, so they'll 1:43:42.960 --> 1:43:47.120 shoot every person in the stand, not always, but most 1:43:47.120 --> 1:43:50.439 of the time. So you do your testimony off camera, 1:43:50.760 --> 1:43:53.599 maybe at eight in the morning, and the camera doesn't 1:43:53.640 --> 1:43:56.639 turn around until everyone has done their testimony, and then 1:43:56.680 --> 1:43:59.200 they let all the people go. So when you're in 1:43:59.280 --> 1:44:03.680 the stand six seven hours later, sometimes you're looking out 1:44:03.680 --> 1:44:06.720 to an empty courtroom except for the crew and the 1:44:06.760 --> 1:44:07.879 actress that speak. 1:44:08.360 --> 1:44:11.559 So it's very weird in terms of the reality of 1:44:11.640 --> 1:44:13.479 would you rather more people be there? 1:44:14.120 --> 1:44:16.599 No, it's just hard when you do your testimony off 1:44:16.640 --> 1:44:19.479 camera in the morning and then like seven hours later 1:44:19.840 --> 1:44:22.200 the camera's on you, and it's the same testimony of 1:44:22.320 --> 1:44:25.800 just trying to you know, and remembering like, oh, I 1:44:25.800 --> 1:44:27.800 look at the jury here, or oh I looked at 1:44:27.800 --> 1:44:32.040 the defense remembering what you did, Yeah, and remembering your 1:44:32.080 --> 1:44:34.679 lines because sometimes once you say them and then they're 1:44:34.800 --> 1:44:37.800 very flimsy sometimes, so it's like they start to disappear. 1:44:40.600 --> 1:44:42.639 But yeah, I did a lot of courtroom, a lot 1:44:42.680 --> 1:44:43.760 of courtroom. 1:44:43.920 --> 1:44:47.719 When you were like, I'm so curious about your regular 1:44:47.840 --> 1:44:52.519 Law and Order days and then coming over to SVU, 1:44:52.760 --> 1:44:54.400 like how did that feel? 1:44:54.439 --> 1:44:55.559 Like were you ever doing them? 1:44:55.880 --> 1:44:58.400 Were you doing like SVU mostly after Law and Order 1:44:58.680 --> 1:45:03.679 was done you or like were they intertwine like same time? 1:45:04.680 --> 1:45:06.640 I think that they were doing in the some of 1:45:06.720 --> 1:45:08.799 them were at the same time, the early ones because 1:45:08.840 --> 1:45:10.800 they were still in New Jersey because we had the 1:45:10.880 --> 1:45:15.559 Chelsea Piers set. And then when when that show is canceled, 1:45:15.600 --> 1:45:18.160 I don't know what I have it, probably somewhere, but 1:45:18.280 --> 1:45:20.840 then they they came in and took over the Chelsea 1:45:20.880 --> 1:45:25.920 Peers set, so they're back. But like nineteen ninety nine, 1:45:26.000 --> 1:45:28.479 I was doing both and. 1:45:28.720 --> 1:45:32.400 You were doing Law Order up until O nine. It 1:45:32.960 --> 1:45:35.160 seems like now, yeah, I. 1:45:35.160 --> 1:45:39.280 Had Lawn Order all the way to the end, you know, 1:45:40.160 --> 1:45:42.479 not as often, you know, because I did leave for 1:45:42.479 --> 1:45:45.639 a while to do another series called Cracker, also about 1:45:45.680 --> 1:45:50.600 a psychiatrist. But the main thing I always noticed with 1:45:50.880 --> 1:45:53.799 SVU is they let the characters have personal lives. 1:45:54.320 --> 1:45:56.160 Where Dick was very clear. 1:45:55.880 --> 1:45:58.479 About the Mothership Law Order that he didn't want to 1:45:58.520 --> 1:46:03.040 get into the weeds with Ta going home with any 1:46:03.080 --> 1:46:04.800 of the characters, So like, you don't know if all 1:46:04.880 --> 1:46:07.800 of that comes from money. You don't know if she 1:46:07.960 --> 1:46:11.840 has a boyfriend or a girlfriend or anything, or kids. 1:46:12.360 --> 1:46:15.160 You never find out any of that information. Whereas it's 1:46:15.160 --> 1:46:17.200 interesting on SEU. You go home with them, you see 1:46:17.240 --> 1:46:20.080 where they live, you see their past, traumas, you see 1:46:20.080 --> 1:46:23.800 their kids, you see their personal life, which is much 1:46:24.200 --> 1:46:27.439 which he was very adamant about not getting into on 1:46:27.520 --> 1:46:28.200 the Mothership. 1:46:29.160 --> 1:46:33.520 So that means on Mothership you mostly talked to victims. 1:46:34.160 --> 1:46:37.519 It was super procedural in the sense that it really 1:46:37.560 --> 1:46:41.080 tried to define what is the crime and is there 1:46:41.120 --> 1:46:44.839 a law that defines the crime. So it was literally 1:46:45.000 --> 1:46:47.680 half hour of the cops and half. 1:46:47.439 --> 1:46:51.400 Hour of the courtroom lawyers. Yeah, So it was really 1:46:51.439 --> 1:46:56.280 specific law and order. There was no lead, really no 1:46:56.400 --> 1:46:56.760 call in. 1:46:57.439 --> 1:47:00.880 Yeah, and it dealt with you know, there isn't a 1:47:01.000 --> 1:47:05.479 law to meet every crime. You know, you some people 1:47:05.520 --> 1:47:09.680 get off just because there isn't a way to keep 1:47:09.720 --> 1:47:13.439 them in jail like you can. That's what made them 1:47:13.640 --> 1:47:16.120 the first to show the Mothership so good, I think, 1:47:16.160 --> 1:47:19.600 because so often the bad guy did get off just 1:47:19.680 --> 1:47:22.479 because there was no way to get them in prison. 1:47:23.400 --> 1:47:23.759 Yeah. 1:47:24.240 --> 1:47:25.000 Yeah, yeah. 1:47:25.520 --> 1:47:29.080 Actually, what this episode we in our podcast we talk 1:47:29.120 --> 1:47:32.280 about the true crime episodes are based on, and it 1:47:32.360 --> 1:47:36.280 was in Texas and it was like because of the laws. Basically, 1:47:36.280 --> 1:47:38.920 a woman said the person she was having an affair 1:47:38.960 --> 1:47:41.760 with was raping her. So the husband killed that man, 1:47:42.400 --> 1:47:44.599 but the grand jury let him go because he has 1:47:44.640 --> 1:47:45.719 a right to defend himself. 1:47:45.760 --> 1:47:49.320 And only she served time for being the planner. 1:47:49.880 --> 1:47:55.920 Yeah, because it's Texas, so you're allowed to shoot whoever 1:47:55.920 --> 1:47:58.320 the fuck you want, and she's Without her, it wouldn't 1:47:58.320 --> 1:47:58.759 have happened. 1:47:58.760 --> 1:48:00.320 So she's the only one who serves and it was 1:48:00.320 --> 1:48:01.360 a manslaughter. 1:48:00.960 --> 1:48:02.200 Charge and it's a woman. 1:48:02.439 --> 1:48:03.360 Yeah. 1:48:03.680 --> 1:48:07.960 Yeah, because I did an episode. I did a movie 1:48:07.960 --> 1:48:10.120 of the Week with Jacqueline Smith where she hires someone 1:48:10.120 --> 1:48:14.240 to the podcast Oh how she Yeah, she I played 1:48:14.280 --> 1:48:17.280 her sister and she goes to prison. She has a 1:48:17.280 --> 1:48:19.840 boyfriend who's a cop, her husband who's a cop, and 1:48:19.880 --> 1:48:23.240 he's bad. He beats her up, so she hires someone 1:48:23.560 --> 1:48:26.280 to kill her husband, and of course it all goes 1:48:26.360 --> 1:48:30.160 south and she gets found out. It's called the Donna 1:48:30.280 --> 1:48:32.240 Yaklich story and it's a true story. 1:48:32.240 --> 1:48:33.280 And this woman went. 1:48:33.120 --> 1:48:38.759 To prison because she hired this guy and even though 1:48:39.200 --> 1:48:41.880 she couldn't kill him herself and self defense, she wasn't 1:48:41.920 --> 1:48:44.880 strong enough and the cops didn't take her seriously because 1:48:44.920 --> 1:48:45.599 he was a cop. 1:48:46.400 --> 1:48:48.719 Yeah, so they kept letting him off. It was a really. 1:48:48.640 --> 1:48:55.800 Good Yeah, it was from a long time ago, but 1:48:55.880 --> 1:48:57.360 it's a good story because it's. 1:48:57.200 --> 1:48:59.639 True and it's really tragic. 1:48:59.680 --> 1:49:01.760 And I think Donna Yaclet is still in prison in 1:49:01.800 --> 1:49:05.320 Denver or Colorado, or she's not even alive anymore. 1:49:05.320 --> 1:49:06.479 I don't know, but. 1:49:07.400 --> 1:49:10.320 They are you based on this, we should do it. 1:49:11.200 --> 1:49:13.479 Oh yeah, there should be, because it's a really good 1:49:13.560 --> 1:49:17.719 story because the woman has you're in the terrible situation 1:49:17.840 --> 1:49:21.000 because you're not strong enough to kill them yourself, so 1:49:21.080 --> 1:49:23.640 you hire someone or and the cops don't are going 1:49:23.720 --> 1:49:25.160 to do anything because he's their buddy. 1:49:26.560 --> 1:49:28.639 It was a really interesting story, but it was very 1:49:28.720 --> 1:49:30.439 you know, she obviously didn't. 1:49:30.200 --> 1:49:30.720 Know what she was doing. 1:49:30.800 --> 1:49:34.880 Your hearts on Yokol guy to commit the crime. 1:49:34.640 --> 1:49:37.640 And it sounds like Donna was released in October of 1:49:37.640 --> 1:49:38.400 two thousand and five. 1:49:39.280 --> 1:49:42.160 Oh very good, Carl. Thank you. 1:49:41.840 --> 1:49:43.880 I hope you're out there. I hope you're listening. I 1:49:43.880 --> 1:49:46.000 hope you're living life. I know. 1:49:46.320 --> 1:49:49.519 I hope you are living your life. I hope you're 1:49:49.560 --> 1:49:51.200 as gorgeous as Jacqueline Smith. 1:49:51.360 --> 1:49:55.160 Oh she's quite pretty, but not Jacqueline Smith level. I mean, jeez. 1:49:56.360 --> 1:49:59.200 I like I think it's fun because, like I watched 1:49:59.200 --> 1:50:00.760 a lot of her over in a Law and Order. 1:50:00.800 --> 1:50:03.479 But SVU was really like what became my like more 1:50:03.560 --> 1:50:07.400 obviously obsession. But I do sort of like when Jack 1:50:07.479 --> 1:50:11.799 McCoy pops in or Jerry Orbach pops in or you know, Olivet. 1:50:12.080 --> 1:50:13.920 Like so I think it's fun to kind of tie 1:50:13.960 --> 1:50:17.320 them together because they are in the same universe obviously. 1:50:18.360 --> 1:50:19.760 Well, you know, And I was thinking when I was 1:50:19.800 --> 1:50:23.240 watching today, I was looking at the episode where I 1:50:23.240 --> 1:50:24.720 don't know, it's one of the rapes and you know, 1:50:24.840 --> 1:50:29.320 olive gets raped on order, and I thought, oh, there 1:50:29.360 --> 1:50:32.840 should be an episode where Benson and Olivet talk about 1:50:32.920 --> 1:50:37.240 their their mutual experiences. 1:50:36.479 --> 1:50:38.599 Because I likely should, I know. 1:50:39.080 --> 1:50:40.680 I was watching it today and I thought, that's so 1:50:40.720 --> 1:50:42.479 funny that they never because I do love it when 1:50:42.520 --> 1:50:45.519 they bring in like a Pitha they'll bring in yeah, 1:50:45.840 --> 1:50:48.320 you know, they do a lot of those crossovers, and 1:50:48.400 --> 1:50:52.959 all of it has been on criminal Intent Trial by Jury. Yeah, SVU, 1:50:53.240 --> 1:50:56.280 I've done them all except for the Mobster one. 1:50:56.479 --> 1:50:59.400 No mean, actually, the Trial by Jury that you did 1:51:00.160 --> 1:51:05.280 is a arc. It's like a two parter with SVU, right, 1:51:05.320 --> 1:51:07.760 because you did one that was called Day and the 1:51:07.840 --> 1:51:11.920 SVU episode is called Night and Angela Lansbury. It's like 1:51:11.960 --> 1:51:15.080 Alfred Molina amazing episode. 1:51:15.680 --> 1:51:19.240 Yeah, oh I loved Alfred Molina. He was so fun. 1:51:19.680 --> 1:51:21.080 He seems really cool. 1:51:21.360 --> 1:51:22.599 He's just fun, like. 1:51:22.560 --> 1:51:24.080 You're with him and you just want to stay in 1:51:24.080 --> 1:51:27.160 the room and talk about whatever occurs to you. 1:51:27.240 --> 1:51:30.240 He was just fat and it was such a little weird, 1:51:30.560 --> 1:51:32.000 weird psycho in the show. 1:51:32.120 --> 1:51:34.400 But like in real life, Yeah, he has. 1:51:34.320 --> 1:51:36.200 Like Asperger's or something, right. 1:51:37.280 --> 1:51:37.720 I don't know. 1:51:37.760 --> 1:51:39.800 You sort of think that, but then you're like, or 1:51:39.840 --> 1:51:42.320 does he just have like severe entitlement because is what 1:51:42.439 --> 1:51:44.160 mom has let him get away with anything he wants 1:51:44.160 --> 1:51:47.240 his entire life, like he's been assaulting staff members. 1:51:46.880 --> 1:51:51.439 With a murder. He was raping, murdering, throwing money on bodies. 1:51:52.160 --> 1:51:56.320 And Bradley Cooper's in that. Yeah, yeah, super cute. 1:51:57.080 --> 1:51:59.400 I remember thinking he wasn't a movie star yet, but 1:51:59.439 --> 1:52:02.920 I watched Alias and so I loved him from Aliens. Oh, 1:52:03.760 --> 1:52:06.840 and I remember I remember wanting to say, you know, 1:52:07.000 --> 1:52:08.640 you're so good, and I think I did say it 1:52:08.640 --> 1:52:10.000 because you know, why. 1:52:09.800 --> 1:52:12.360 Not he was He wasn't Bradley Cooper yet well, and 1:52:12.400 --> 1:52:14.080 I'm sure he was happy to get the compliment. 1:52:14.240 --> 1:52:15.920 Yeah, but so cute. 1:52:15.920 --> 1:52:17.320 One of those people who you know how sometimes you 1:52:17.320 --> 1:52:20.679 meet people, their eyes just go. He had these eyes. 1:52:20.720 --> 1:52:23.920 I was like, wow, look at those eyes. 1:52:24.000 --> 1:52:28.160 Yeah yeah, definitely a generational hottie. 1:52:28.439 --> 1:52:31.000 Yeah yeah, completely. 1:52:30.760 --> 1:52:33.839 Wait when you had when your character is sexually assaulted, 1:52:34.080 --> 1:52:35.800 is it like on the show or is it just 1:52:35.840 --> 1:52:38.599 something in the backstory that they told someone from your 1:52:38.640 --> 1:52:39.400 past as well? 1:52:39.479 --> 1:52:42.280 Like no, no, no, it was what was the episode 1:52:42.360 --> 1:52:44.719 called my character? 1:52:45.280 --> 1:52:49.320 It was it happened best to get the guyna cologist, 1:52:49.479 --> 1:52:51.280 doctor Alex Rerett. 1:52:51.680 --> 1:52:53.400 He I think it was. 1:52:55.080 --> 1:52:57.280 Who was the actress? It was a really good actress. 1:52:58.479 --> 1:53:01.920 She's been raped and they won't They can't. I haven't 1:53:01.920 --> 1:53:04.080 seen it in so long. They can't bring him up 1:53:04.080 --> 1:53:06.200 on charges or find it any evidence. 1:53:06.640 --> 1:53:09.760 So I go in maybe helpless, that's what it's. 1:53:09.800 --> 1:53:13.120 Yeah, And I go in to the gynecologist and sort 1:53:13.160 --> 1:53:15.760 of see what will happen, and he drugs me and 1:53:15.880 --> 1:53:16.439 rapes me. 1:53:17.280 --> 1:53:20.080 And Paul Servino. So it was back during Paul Servina's era. 1:53:20.600 --> 1:53:23.679 They let you just go in there, like, no, no backup. 1:53:24.240 --> 1:53:24.800 I went in. 1:53:24.880 --> 1:53:26.680 No, they were upset with me because I went in 1:53:26.800 --> 1:53:31.800 doing my own little investigation. And then this happens, and 1:53:31.840 --> 1:53:33.639 then the cops go to pursue it. 1:53:33.640 --> 1:53:33.960 It was. 1:53:34.760 --> 1:53:39.519 It was also during Michael Moriarty's time, so it's early. 1:53:39.840 --> 1:53:41.479 It must have been in like the first three or 1:53:41.520 --> 1:53:42.320 four seasons. 1:53:42.479 --> 1:53:46.040 I literally just found a breakdown of this character him 1:53:46.400 --> 1:53:51.920 on a Pure Evil Villains fandom site, literally just as pure. 1:53:51.760 --> 1:53:53.000 Evil on top of his sleeth. 1:53:53.080 --> 1:53:55.600 That was season three. I don't I can't believe. I 1:53:55.640 --> 1:53:56.479 don't know if I knew that. 1:53:56.520 --> 1:53:59.880 And I think Sarah Paulson was the nurse in the 1:54:00.080 --> 1:54:02.679 room with me who he gets her to leave the room. 1:54:03.120 --> 1:54:05.560 Well, Felicity Hoffman's in this episode. 1:54:05.120 --> 1:54:06.479 Tracy Flicity Huffman. 1:54:06.560 --> 1:54:11.840 That's just been right wife damn, and she I'm trying 1:54:11.840 --> 1:54:14.400 to help her out. I can't remember the details, but 1:54:14.479 --> 1:54:16.439 I do remember shooting it because I was on a 1:54:16.479 --> 1:54:20.240 guynological table and Paul Heckt had to the actor had 1:54:20.280 --> 1:54:22.120 to put on his little gloves, and I had my 1:54:22.160 --> 1:54:26.360 little feet in the stirrups, and he was so nervous, 1:54:26.439 --> 1:54:28.479 and I was so ready to just be let's just 1:54:28.520 --> 1:54:30.960 get this done and get out of here, and he, 1:54:31.439 --> 1:54:33.600 like at one point was supposed to really casually put 1:54:33.640 --> 1:54:36.520 on his little rubber gloves and he's being all calm 1:54:36.560 --> 1:54:39.280 like he's the doctor and he puts on the glove 1:54:39.440 --> 1:54:41.240 and his hand goes right through. 1:54:41.400 --> 1:54:45.960 The glove through My god, because he was clearly so 1:54:46.160 --> 1:54:49.040 tense about having to do this part, and I was 1:54:49.080 --> 1:54:52.200 just like, whatever, let's just get this over with us. 1:54:52.200 --> 1:54:54.920 I'm lying on my back. I forgot he drugs me. 1:54:55.160 --> 1:54:58.840 Yeah, I forgot that. Sorvino is before or back right? 1:54:58.920 --> 1:54:59.120 Yeah? 1:54:59.480 --> 1:55:02.520 Yeah, ya all left to pursue his opera career. 1:55:03.680 --> 1:55:05.760 Wow do you think you read? 1:55:07.320 --> 1:55:08.440 And then? I don't know. 1:55:08.520 --> 1:55:10.280 I never saw him after that. We used to, I 1:55:10.520 --> 1:55:11.920 mean we'd see I saw him all the time when 1:55:11.920 --> 1:55:16.120 we were shooting. He was fun that he uh, I mean. 1:55:16.000 --> 1:55:18.320 It seems like he's still working. He's got one hundred 1:55:18.360 --> 1:55:20.040 and seventy six credits on IMDb. 1:55:20.960 --> 1:55:22.960 Paul, No, Paul is gone. Paul died. 1:55:23.440 --> 1:55:25.600 Oh he died. I'm so sorry. I didn't know that. 1:55:25.760 --> 1:55:27.440 I'm so sorry he died. 1:55:27.440 --> 1:55:28.440 Had a credit for a lot. 1:55:28.560 --> 1:55:30.600 Sorry, he was a credit from twenty twenty five, so 1:55:30.680 --> 1:55:31.400 I thought he was. 1:55:31.400 --> 1:55:34.080 Still like Paul Servino was in the episode. He was 1:55:34.080 --> 1:55:37.800 one of them, Chris Notath and Paul Servino and Michael BRIARTI. 1:55:37.440 --> 1:55:40.040 Yeah, that he was pre Orbach I forgot that he 1:55:40.160 --> 1:55:42.200 was like the pre Orboe because I always think of 1:55:42.240 --> 1:55:44.920 like Jerry and Chris Noath as kind of like the original. 1:55:45.880 --> 1:55:47.160 Yeah, no, Paul was there. 1:55:47.160 --> 1:55:49.280 But Paul was only there I think like a year 1:55:49.320 --> 1:55:52.640 and a half. He left for mid season and the 1:55:52.680 --> 1:55:56.280 first guy that was partnered with Chris was George Zunza, 1:55:57.360 --> 1:56:01.120 and he just did one season, the first season, and 1:56:01.160 --> 1:56:02.320 he didn't want to stay. 1:56:02.720 --> 1:56:05.120 So who left to do opera? Paul Sorvino or Paul 1:56:05.400 --> 1:56:06.040 Paul Sorvino. 1:56:06.160 --> 1:56:09.640 Okay, Paul Sorvinot he was. He had a really good 1:56:09.640 --> 1:56:10.600 thing opera voice. 1:56:11.040 --> 1:56:13.360 Joe Sterne used to give Christmas parties and Paul would 1:56:13.360 --> 1:56:15.080 get on the little balcony at the house that Joe 1:56:15.200 --> 1:56:17.720 was renting and he was serenade us with. 1:56:17.720 --> 1:56:20.560 Christmas jo with Christmas songs. That's cute. 1:56:20.680 --> 1:56:21.480 Yeah, it was fun. 1:56:21.640 --> 1:56:24.480 Wait, do you have any other kind of memories like that? 1:56:24.560 --> 1:56:29.720 More like Christmas parties, extracurricular away from the job fun memories. 1:56:31.880 --> 1:56:32.120 You know. 1:56:32.280 --> 1:56:34.360 I got to be good friends with Jill Hennessy and 1:56:34.400 --> 1:56:37.000 she's quite the rock star. She writes her own music 1:56:37.040 --> 1:56:39.160 and I'm seeing her actually this Saturday. She does she 1:56:39.200 --> 1:56:43.480 has a concert at City Vineyard, and I give a 1:56:43.560 --> 1:56:46.760 Christmas party every year at my house and all my 1:56:46.840 --> 1:56:49.200 actor friends and my husband's actor friends. It gets to 1:56:49.200 --> 1:56:52.480 be like an enormous party. But Chris always comes, and 1:56:52.560 --> 1:56:56.400 a Patha and Jill, so the few of the people 1:56:56.480 --> 1:56:59.280 that and I see Sam every now and then I 1:56:59.400 --> 1:57:02.840 was friends with Michael Moriarty, but then he kind of 1:57:03.080 --> 1:57:06.320 disappeared into Canada and I don't know, I've lost track 1:57:06.360 --> 1:57:11.080 of him. Canada is huge, and I see Dan. Dan 1:57:11.160 --> 1:57:13.720 Floric and I did a play together. He directed it 1:57:14.840 --> 1:57:19.960 Love called Loreenes Whereabouts Larry Ketron play in the City. 1:57:20.560 --> 1:57:21.280 That was fun. 1:57:22.000 --> 1:57:25.040 He was our first cast member interview, so it was 1:57:25.160 --> 1:57:27.200 it's like very a big deal. 1:57:27.960 --> 1:57:31.280 He's fun. He's fun, he's game. He's one of those people. 1:57:31.320 --> 1:57:32.200 He's just game. 1:57:32.400 --> 1:57:34.240 I don't know if you know this, but last season 1:57:34.320 --> 1:57:37.680 they killed his character like he wasn't he wasn't recurring anymore. 1:57:37.680 --> 1:57:41.000 But he went back in and then they just opened 1:57:41.080 --> 1:57:44.560 the season at his funeral for no reason. 1:57:44.640 --> 1:57:46.360 You didn't need to do that. We could have brought 1:57:46.440 --> 1:57:47.360 him back once in a while. 1:57:47.360 --> 1:57:49.560 I could have been a random other funeral, Like I 1:57:49.560 --> 1:57:51.320 don't understand why I had to be him. 1:57:51.760 --> 1:57:53.440 I wonder if Dan didn't want to do it at all. 1:57:53.600 --> 1:57:56.120 No. I think it's like they wanted the publicity of 1:57:56.160 --> 1:58:00.520 saying a major cast member dies in the opening like episode. 1:58:00.600 --> 1:58:04.080 But because we always have hope that characters come back 1:58:04.200 --> 1:58:08.400 like tomorrow, like people come back, and so yeah, there, 1:58:08.400 --> 1:58:12.000 we don't like that. There now he can never come back. 1:58:12.880 --> 1:58:14.240 I like having them come back. 1:58:14.960 --> 1:58:17.560 Well now, I want you and Benson to have I 1:58:17.680 --> 1:58:22.400 want that because when she's had other traumas like a conference, 1:58:22.600 --> 1:58:24.600 you're like some sort of bottle episode. 1:58:24.640 --> 1:58:24.840 Yeah. 1:58:25.440 --> 1:58:29.720 Her therapist ends up being Bill Irwin, the actor who 1:58:29.800 --> 1:58:30.760 plays mister Noodle. 1:58:30.800 --> 1:58:32.400 I guess on Sesame Street. 1:58:33.040 --> 1:58:34.800 No, I know Bill. Yeah, he's great. 1:58:34.920 --> 1:58:37.720 Yeah, and it's fine, he's great. 1:58:37.960 --> 1:58:40.520 But I think it makes more sense that Benson would 1:58:40.560 --> 1:58:44.520 go to a female psychologists psychiogist. 1:58:44.600 --> 1:58:48.040 And and Marishka and I had some scenes to we've 1:58:48.080 --> 1:58:50.800 done some episodes together, but not in a while. And 1:58:50.880 --> 1:58:53.560 oddly enough, the series I left Law in order to 1:58:53.600 --> 1:58:59.120 do was called Cracker, and Marishka was in the pilot. 1:58:59.360 --> 1:59:02.240 Oh really, and then they let her go for I. 1:59:02.160 --> 1:59:05.280 Have no idea why, because she's fabulous and then she 1:59:05.400 --> 1:59:06.280 glanded SVU. 1:59:06.760 --> 1:59:09.160 Everything happens for a reason. I guess that was. 1:59:09.160 --> 1:59:09.680 A good thing. 1:59:09.760 --> 1:59:12.600 But so Marishka and I, we didn't work together on Cracker, 1:59:13.080 --> 1:59:14.200 but you know we saw each. 1:59:14.080 --> 1:59:16.760 Other because she was in the same series as me. 1:59:17.320 --> 1:59:18.640 Yeah, but she just. 1:59:18.560 --> 1:59:19.200 Did the pilot. 1:59:19.360 --> 1:59:22.200 According to IMDb, it seems like your first like series 1:59:22.280 --> 1:59:26.960 regular show was Spence Spencer for Higher, Spencer for Hire. 1:59:27.720 --> 1:59:29.920 So Robert Urick was that, like. 1:59:30.560 --> 1:59:33.840 Do you remember like booking that it being your first show? 1:59:34.040 --> 1:59:35.160 Like memories from that. 1:59:35.720 --> 1:59:39.360 I remember my agent wanting me not to do it 1:59:39.440 --> 1:59:41.880 because he wanted me to do film, and I was like, 1:59:42.040 --> 1:59:45.200 I don't know. I remember I didn't have to go 1:59:45.240 --> 1:59:47.960 to the network, which is really good because you don't 1:59:48.280 --> 1:59:52.240 the network. You know those network auditions, and I kept turning. 1:59:52.360 --> 1:59:53.800 He kept saying, no, she's not going to go to 1:59:53.840 --> 1:59:55.320 the network. She's not going to go to the network. 1:59:55.360 --> 1:59:58.120 And so they saw all these girls at the network 1:59:58.120 --> 1:59:59.480 and they said, no. 1:59:59.400 --> 2:00:02.920 We don't like I want her the woman who wouldn't 2:00:02.920 --> 2:00:03.480 come in. 2:00:04.320 --> 2:00:08.680 And so they cast me, and my agent just kept saying, well, 2:00:08.680 --> 2:00:09.920 you got to give her this, you got to give 2:00:09.920 --> 2:00:12.720 her this, and they I ended up getting a really 2:00:12.800 --> 2:00:17.160 good deal in that show, and I lived in Boston, 2:00:17.200 --> 2:00:19.240 which I loved because I'd gone to school in the East. 2:00:19.280 --> 2:00:20.800 I went to Williams in Massachusetts. 2:00:20.840 --> 2:00:21.920 Oh yeah, I saw that. 2:00:22.640 --> 2:00:24.800 I love going back. I would love being back on 2:00:24.840 --> 2:00:25.560 the East Coast. 2:00:26.280 --> 2:00:28.080 Yeah, where do you live? Do you live there? Where 2:00:28.080 --> 2:00:28.560 do you live now? 2:00:28.600 --> 2:00:29.360 I live in Manhattan. 2:00:29.400 --> 2:00:30.040 I live in New York. 2:00:30.200 --> 2:00:31.200 Then after that I went back. 2:00:31.040 --> 2:00:33.280 To LA And yeah, stayed in LA a little longer, 2:00:33.320 --> 2:00:35.520 but I always felt more like a New Yorker than 2:00:35.760 --> 2:00:36.720 a California girl. 2:00:36.840 --> 2:00:37.480 Yeah. 2:00:37.600 --> 2:00:40.360 So I'm in California only when I'm working, Like whenever 2:00:40.400 --> 2:00:42.280 I do a pilot or a TV show, I've been 2:00:42.320 --> 2:00:43.080 there or a film. 2:00:43.440 --> 2:00:43.720 Right. 2:00:44.480 --> 2:00:49.520 Yeah, Williams has like the that Williamstown like theater festival and. 2:00:49.600 --> 2:00:52.520 Yeah, and they're not connected at all, oddly enough, but 2:00:52.600 --> 2:00:54.760 it's the same place, right, same place. 2:00:54.880 --> 2:00:57.040 Just every place that I know who like went to 2:00:57.080 --> 2:00:59.640 Williams would always go back to, like go to that 2:00:59.640 --> 2:01:02.240 festival and like work at it or be in it, 2:01:02.320 --> 2:01:05.800 and you know it. Just when I was not connected 2:01:05.840 --> 2:01:07.680 but sort of connected, Well. 2:01:07.480 --> 2:01:08.080 It's connected. 2:01:08.160 --> 2:01:10.960 It's the same space. But I remember when I graduated 2:01:10.960 --> 2:01:13.440 and all my friends are leaving in my roommates and everyone, 2:01:13.800 --> 2:01:16.360 and I was working. I had been hired to be 2:01:16.400 --> 2:01:19.240 in the Greeks at the Williamstown Theater Festival. And suddenly 2:01:19.960 --> 2:01:23.320 I'm not leaving with all my classmates. I'm going back 2:01:23.320 --> 2:01:27.320 to my freshman dorm because that's where they put me 2:01:27.400 --> 2:01:28.879 to work the festival. 2:01:28.880 --> 2:01:29.320 And I thought. 2:01:29.360 --> 2:01:31.520 I remember lying in the bed and thinking, this does 2:01:31.560 --> 2:01:35.040 not feel like progress. 2:01:35.240 --> 2:01:36.760 Am I moving forwards? 2:01:37.000 --> 2:01:39.360 I should not still be at my college in my 2:01:39.440 --> 2:01:40.400 freshman dorm. 2:01:41.880 --> 2:01:44.520 So funny, way, your husband's in an SVU. 2:01:45.200 --> 2:01:46.120 Oh he's done a lot. 2:01:46.360 --> 2:01:48.000 Yeah, he's in an SVU. 2:01:48.240 --> 2:01:51.400 Compliance. Yeah, he's obviously done so much. I'm like looking 2:01:51.480 --> 2:01:53.400 at it right now. How'd you guys meet acting in 2:01:53.440 --> 2:01:53.720 a play? 2:01:53.840 --> 2:01:55.600 He's a big theater guy. 2:01:55.640 --> 2:01:58.480 Mostly we met doing a play in Our first play 2:01:58.480 --> 2:02:02.120 together was in nineteen eighty three at Act in San 2:02:02.160 --> 2:02:05.200 Francisco with my best friend Anette Benning. So it was me, 2:02:05.400 --> 2:02:10.960 Byron and Annette, and then I went back. 2:02:11.040 --> 2:02:11.480 I oh. 2:02:12.000 --> 2:02:14.600 Then I went off to do various things television and 2:02:14.880 --> 2:02:17.600 a movie and blah blah blah. And then in nineteen 2:02:17.680 --> 2:02:21.040 eighty seven we met up again in San Diego to 2:02:21.160 --> 2:02:24.400 do a Faedo farce at the Old Globe and that's 2:02:24.400 --> 2:02:26.960 when we got together. Oh and then he didn't want 2:02:26.960 --> 2:02:29.720 to live in LA because he's a theater guy, so 2:02:29.760 --> 2:02:33.760 we moved to New York and that ice and he 2:02:33.800 --> 2:02:34.160 does a. 2:02:34.080 --> 2:02:34.760 Lot of Broadway. 2:02:34.840 --> 2:02:37.680 And I recognized him as soon as I looked him up, 2:02:37.720 --> 2:02:39.920 and I mean he was He's in this episode where 2:02:40.320 --> 2:02:43.440 this guy is committing crimes because he's suffering from schizophrenia 2:02:43.560 --> 2:02:46.120 and they want to medicate him against his will. And 2:02:46.160 --> 2:02:50.520 I believe your husband is his lawyer in the episode. Yeah, 2:02:50.560 --> 2:02:51.240 I think that's right. 2:02:51.880 --> 2:02:55.360 And then you do so much because we found out 2:02:55.920 --> 2:02:57.400 you're reading the Hunger Game books. 2:02:57.720 --> 2:02:58.320 You're the voice. 2:02:58.440 --> 2:03:01.760 I read the Hunger Game books long's that's before they 2:03:01.800 --> 2:03:05.680 were a sensation. Because and my older son is a 2:03:05.760 --> 2:03:08.600 voracious reader. They both love to read, but he really 2:03:08.600 --> 2:03:11.120 loves to read. And I remember getting basically the Galleries. 2:03:11.160 --> 2:03:13.240 I just got, you know, it's a big old binder 2:03:13.640 --> 2:03:15.800 with the book, and I reading it, and my son 2:03:15.920 --> 2:03:16.800 was obsessed with. 2:03:16.720 --> 2:03:20.760 Harry Potter books. So I thought, as I'm reading. 2:03:20.520 --> 2:03:23.440 It, oh, he's going to love this. So I gave 2:03:23.520 --> 2:03:25.640 him the I said, do you want to read this book? 2:03:25.680 --> 2:03:27.600 So he read it before it was even published and 2:03:27.640 --> 2:03:31.160 then the second time it came out. The second time 2:03:31.200 --> 2:03:34.120 it came out, they made me sign a waiver that 2:03:34.160 --> 2:03:36.400 I wouldn't share it with anyone, which I wasn't. 2:03:36.440 --> 2:03:37.880 I just gave it to my son in our house, 2:03:37.920 --> 2:03:38.120 you know. 2:03:38.440 --> 2:03:41.520 But so I said okay, And so I told my son, 2:03:41.560 --> 2:03:43.720 I said, I have the second book. You want to 2:03:43.720 --> 2:03:45.920 read it, but you know, I had to sign something 2:03:45.920 --> 2:03:47.200 saying I wouldn't show it to anyone. 2:03:47.240 --> 2:03:48.880 And he goes, I don't want to read it then 2:03:48.920 --> 2:03:51.440 and get you in trouble. So I didn't read it. 2:03:52.040 --> 2:03:53.040 He was like twelve. 2:03:53.840 --> 2:03:55.960 But yeah, I did all three of those books. And 2:03:56.000 --> 2:03:57.840 then the movies came out, and then it became like 2:03:58.760 --> 2:03:59.520 but I knew. 2:03:59.360 --> 2:04:01.320 When I read it. I was like, this is gonna be. 2:04:01.560 --> 2:04:04.280 This's gonna be something. Yeah. Do you do a lot 2:04:04.320 --> 2:04:04.920 of books? 2:04:05.920 --> 2:04:08.280 I used to. I seemed I used to do a 2:04:08.280 --> 2:04:12.000 lot of things. 2:04:12.680 --> 2:04:13.840 Yeah, you have to do a lot. I used to a 2:04:13.840 --> 2:04:18.000 lot of James Patterson. I did a lot of Oh 2:04:18.040 --> 2:04:21.880 my god, Yeah, yeah, I've done I did a lot. 2:04:22.080 --> 2:04:24.160 I've done a lot. I've probably done fifteen. I mean, 2:04:24.200 --> 2:04:25.960 my website would have all the books I've done. 2:04:26.080 --> 2:04:28.880 Oh yeah, I love your website either it was like 2:04:28.880 --> 2:04:31.120 a residual thing or is that just a deal? 2:04:31.480 --> 2:04:33.440 That's yeah. 2:04:33.680 --> 2:04:35.160 I love your website. By the way, I looked at 2:04:35.160 --> 2:04:37.200 it before we came on. The pictures are so cute. 2:04:37.240 --> 2:04:40.120 You're like, so you just look really cute on your website. 2:04:40.840 --> 2:04:42.760 You know what we need our listeners to do. We 2:04:42.800 --> 2:04:45.280 need to have a Benson drawing. But of all of 2:04:45.360 --> 2:04:47.080 that's hairdoos throughout the day? 2:04:47.160 --> 2:04:48.680 Yes, right? 2:04:48.760 --> 2:04:50.160 Oh yeah, Well. 2:04:50.080 --> 2:04:52.400 I had really short hair at the beginning because I'd 2:04:52.440 --> 2:04:54.560 just done Saint Joones, so I'd cut all my hair 2:04:54.600 --> 2:04:57.480 off and then it grew out, and then I had 2:04:57.520 --> 2:05:00.320 babies and so I cut it off again and then 2:05:00.360 --> 2:05:02.800 it grows out and depending on some hair, people do 2:05:02.880 --> 2:05:05.040 big hair, and I tend to be wanting like not 2:05:05.160 --> 2:05:05.640 big hair. 2:05:05.960 --> 2:05:06.480 Yeah. 2:05:06.560 --> 2:05:10.520 So but when I see episodes and like I can remember, 2:05:10.720 --> 2:05:12.680 like I know who did my hair that day? 2:05:13.240 --> 2:05:16.520 You know, And but it really is a study in hairstyles. 2:05:16.640 --> 2:05:19.080 Yeah, and they're so of the time, a lot of them. 2:05:19.720 --> 2:05:21.160 Yeah, the big hairs of the time. 2:05:21.720 --> 2:05:24.520 Anything else you want to mention before we go any 2:05:24.680 --> 2:05:27.120 stories or you know, final things. 2:05:27.160 --> 2:05:29.760 There also no pressure we can cut this fully. 2:05:29.880 --> 2:05:34.520 Yeah, I don't know I am your go to snack 2:05:36.120 --> 2:05:37.040 Peanut Eminem's. 2:05:37.320 --> 2:05:40.280 Yes, good answer, the best. 2:05:40.600 --> 2:05:43.240 No one ever says that everything on Craft Service are 2:05:43.320 --> 2:05:46.600 things you would never have in your house because they're 2:05:46.640 --> 2:05:48.560 just not good to eat all the time. And I 2:05:48.600 --> 2:05:51.520 would if someone had peanut Eminem's in my house, I'd 2:05:51.520 --> 2:05:53.280 be eating them right now, like talking to you guys. 2:05:53.400 --> 2:05:59.440 Yeah, I love peanut em so yeah. 2:05:59.640 --> 2:06:01.840 I can't think of anything else other than you know, 2:06:02.720 --> 2:06:05.080 all the people were so great and it was set 2:06:05.400 --> 2:06:06.200 what's really weird? 2:06:06.240 --> 2:06:08.040 I googled this when I was trying to find my 2:06:08.200 --> 2:06:10.000 SVU episodes and. 2:06:09.920 --> 2:06:12.800 It says that all the dead peaks all the people 2:06:12.840 --> 2:06:17.120 who've died on Law and Order, and it includes a patha. 2:06:17.720 --> 2:06:18.720 I just want someone. 2:06:18.680 --> 2:06:22.840 Out there to correct that, Yes, the Patha is not gone. 2:06:23.200 --> 2:06:24.800 No, there's some. 2:06:24.680 --> 2:06:27.120 Sight we'll try to find. 2:06:27.720 --> 2:06:28.600 I put I don't know. 2:06:28.680 --> 2:06:31.360 I put in like Carolyn McCormick on SVU episodes because 2:06:31.360 --> 2:06:33.280 I was trying to find to watch some of them 2:06:33.480 --> 2:06:36.000 so I had, you know, could remember because in my mind, 2:06:36.040 --> 2:06:39.160 it's like one really long episode of Law and Order. 2:06:39.400 --> 2:06:40.200 This is incredible. 2:06:40.240 --> 2:06:43.960 Thank you, No, we're we're really lucky that we get 2:06:43.960 --> 2:06:44.960 to talk to everybody. 2:06:45.880 --> 2:06:47.440 No, it's good, thank you for doing it. 2:06:47.520 --> 2:06:49.680 Nice that you guys love the show. Yeah, have you 2:06:49.720 --> 2:06:50.840 gotten Mariska to do it? 2:06:51.960 --> 2:06:52.960 Tried yet, She's. 2:06:52.880 --> 2:06:56.240 Kind of like our nice tea and ah, yeah, we're waiting. 2:06:56.400 --> 2:07:00.200 We're figuring it because it's also the right episode. I'm 2:07:00.200 --> 2:07:04.160 at the right time, you know. Yeah, there's no loss 2:07:04.160 --> 2:07:05.720 of talent that we can reach out to. 2:07:05.880 --> 2:07:07.120 So that's that's really good. 2:07:07.560 --> 2:07:08.560 Yeah. 2:07:08.000 --> 2:07:12.520 Yeah, and then our only repeat's been Neil Baar. Oh 2:07:12.680 --> 2:07:15.720 we had him on twice. Yeah, because he just had 2:07:15.760 --> 2:07:16.839 so much to say. 2:07:16.960 --> 2:07:19.520 A lot of stories. Oh that's good. 2:07:19.640 --> 2:07:19.800 I know. 2:07:19.800 --> 2:07:21.200 I wish I could think of some more stories. I 2:07:21.240 --> 2:07:23.920 can't really think of it. I love Jerry Orbach though. 2:07:24.560 --> 2:07:26.640 Jerry was great. 2:07:27.200 --> 2:07:27.880 I love Jerry. 2:07:28.440 --> 2:07:30.360 Jerry was so good. And what I learned from Jerry 2:07:30.520 --> 2:07:32.640 was to learn everybody's name. 2:07:33.360 --> 2:07:36.919 He was so good, like everyone loved him, the actors, 2:07:36.960 --> 2:07:41.000 the crafty, the crew, the teamsters, they all because he 2:07:41.080 --> 2:07:44.000 treated everyone like they were kings. And I remember someone 2:07:44.000 --> 2:07:45.640 told me once one of his drivers, I was going. 2:07:46.240 --> 2:07:47.640 They picked me up one day to go to work 2:07:47.640 --> 2:07:50.520 and he drives Jerry and he was telling me how 2:07:50.600 --> 2:07:54.040 Jerry would say to him, come on, go, go. 2:07:53.760 --> 2:07:55.320 Go, and he'd be like, the light's ready goes. 2:07:55.320 --> 2:07:58.240 Look, you'll never get rear ended if you don't put 2:07:58.240 --> 2:08:01.680 on the brakes. So it was basically just telling him 2:08:01.720 --> 2:08:05.040 to just go, go go. But he was he was 2:08:05.120 --> 2:08:07.880 such a fun guy and he was another real theater guy. 2:08:08.760 --> 2:08:11.280 So Dick was really smart and getting the real you know, 2:08:11.440 --> 2:08:12.919 theater actors from. 2:08:13.000 --> 2:08:15.040 Oh yeah, I mean if I see a playbill and 2:08:15.080 --> 2:08:17.280 there's not a view, I'm like, what's going on here? 2:08:17.520 --> 2:08:18.920 Or at least one of the law and orders. 2:08:19.240 --> 2:08:22.760 But oh yeah, also during pandemic and one of the 2:08:22.760 --> 2:08:26.440 first shows back, and like we're hiring so many theater actors. 2:08:26.720 --> 2:08:29.040 Yeah, yeah, no, that's good. 2:08:29.640 --> 2:08:32.560 He came for you so much, Marilyn. That was okay. 2:08:32.600 --> 2:08:33.840 It's so nice to meet you. 2:08:33.880 --> 2:08:40.800 Guys. Love hear we talked to all about I love her, 2:08:41.680 --> 2:08:44.960 you know, I love just an artsy family doing it up. 2:08:45.360 --> 2:08:47.360 I want an invite to that Christmas party. 2:08:47.800 --> 2:08:51.000 Yeah, living in New York, actor friends having a fun time. 2:08:51.760 --> 2:08:56.080 Love it, love it for them. 2:08:54.800 --> 2:08:57.640 Our trek baby. Well yeah, because that book I read 2:08:57.720 --> 2:08:59.560 was about like that kind of a show. I wonder 2:08:59.640 --> 2:09:03.960 what show was notorious, like the Battlestar Galactica about like 2:09:04.000 --> 2:09:07.240 what is the space shows? What's the best fun space show? 2:09:07.920 --> 2:09:09.640 Like if I wanted to watch a space show. 2:09:10.120 --> 2:09:13.560 I mean, I'm Jared is a Star Trek guy, like 2:09:13.640 --> 2:09:15.960 he loves Star Trek. But then there's and Casey's nodding 2:09:16.000 --> 2:09:19.320 like I think Star Trek's the iconic and like there's 2:09:19.400 --> 2:09:22.760 different Right, there's Deep Space nine, there's Next Generation. 2:09:22.960 --> 2:09:24.880 Right, there's different Which one? Shout out? Which one do 2:09:24.920 --> 2:09:25.680 you think I would like? 2:09:26.200 --> 2:09:28.720 I think that Star Trek the Next Generation is like 2:09:29.960 --> 2:09:34.720 the funniest and horniest one. Okay, oh my. 2:09:34.640 --> 2:09:37.040 God, it's nineteen eighty seven. That's the year I was born. 2:09:38.040 --> 2:09:41.480 I do remember that guy, the like monstery looking guy, 2:09:41.680 --> 2:09:45.120 you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember him from commercial. 2:09:45.440 --> 2:09:47.480 Wait, okay, I'm going to watch this. I think you're 2:09:47.520 --> 2:09:49.040 gonna see it. You're also going to see like a 2:09:49.080 --> 2:09:54.520 lot of random SVU people too. Okay, all right, let's see. 2:09:54.600 --> 2:09:57.760 It's on Pluto so I could get my hands Pluto. 2:09:58.560 --> 2:10:00.000 I do want to say something that happened at Union 2:10:00.280 --> 2:10:04.400 that was crazy. So I'm on stage, I'm doing whiplash. 2:10:04.440 --> 2:10:08.240 It's like on Saturday, in the middle of my set 2:10:08.520 --> 2:10:12.760 through the speakers, like I don't know what's happening at first, 2:10:12.960 --> 2:10:15.640 but we I soon realize that someone is playing like 2:10:15.720 --> 2:10:19.080 Candy Crush style game on their phone and it's coming 2:10:19.120 --> 2:10:22.560 through the audio of the speakers of the show. 2:10:23.040 --> 2:10:23.800 So you hear the. 2:10:26.480 --> 2:10:29.040 Like you're hearing a game being played, and the my 2:10:29.160 --> 2:10:31.200 MIC's not so it's like and people think it's like 2:10:31.240 --> 2:10:33.480 a bit, and I'm like, this isn't a bit, Like 2:10:33.560 --> 2:10:37.000 I don't do bits like this, like I like and so. 2:10:37.200 --> 2:10:38.200 It's crazy the sound. 2:10:38.280 --> 2:10:41.080 Everyone's running, they unplug everything, the MIC's unplug they plug 2:10:41.120 --> 2:10:44.920 the mic back in. The game stops, but then starts 2:10:44.960 --> 2:10:47.960 through the audio like an audio book of a World 2:10:48.040 --> 2:10:53.200 War two story, like so suddenly it's just a history 2:10:53.240 --> 2:10:56.320 books starts going through the speakers and. 2:10:56.240 --> 2:10:56.720 No one knows. 2:10:57.000 --> 2:10:59.480 It's like it's it was true pandemonium and then you know, 2:10:59.680 --> 2:11:01.400 I got I got through it and then finish my 2:11:01.440 --> 2:11:03.360 set and whatever. But it was really crazy, So if 2:11:03.360 --> 2:11:06.440 you were there, silly, but they didn't figure out, like no, 2:11:06.520 --> 2:11:06.800 and I. 2:11:06.720 --> 2:11:08.320 Said, I want to, I go, I don't care, but 2:11:08.320 --> 2:11:09.440 I need to get to the bottom of it. I'm 2:11:09.440 --> 2:11:11.200 gonna go. I'm a curious person and I'd like to 2:11:11.200 --> 2:11:11.840 know what's going. 2:11:11.680 --> 2:11:13.600 On here, because it's not like a random person can 2:11:13.680 --> 2:11:16.720 just like bluetooth into a speaker system, you know, like 2:11:16.880 --> 2:11:19.360 this must have been No. I told everyone they better 2:11:19.480 --> 2:11:21.240 or find the answer and find out what we get 2:11:21.360 --> 2:11:23.640 that we need to find the culprit. I mean, it's 2:11:23.680 --> 2:11:26.840 a tech person. It sounds like, okay, just to get 2:11:26.880 --> 2:11:31.560 back to our post mortem this episode. 2:11:31.640 --> 2:11:32.000 I don't know. 2:11:32.080 --> 2:11:35.000 It's really hard to say because it feels as though 2:11:35.320 --> 2:11:37.640 this is basically the episode where we really start hating 2:11:37.640 --> 2:11:41.720 Amanda Rollins, Like this is where she's the worst. No, 2:11:42.040 --> 2:11:44.040 Kim Rollins needs to be in jail for at least 2:11:44.080 --> 2:11:48.240 ten to fifteen years, and that's what I believe. Yeah, 2:11:48.600 --> 2:11:50.960 although in the current universe she has a child that 2:11:51.080 --> 2:11:53.680 lives with the mom somewhere with Kim or something. 2:11:53.720 --> 2:11:54.000 I don't know. 2:11:54.040 --> 2:11:55.600 I feel like she did have a kid with her 2:11:55.680 --> 2:11:58.600 lawyer maybe yeah, but Kim, but she was still in prison. 2:11:59.200 --> 2:11:59.560 Yeah. 2:12:00.200 --> 2:12:02.720 Get wrapped up here. We've been taking you guys on 2:12:02.760 --> 2:12:05.560 a journey. Let's get into what would Sister beg do? 2:12:06.360 --> 2:12:09.640 This is our weekly segment where we direct you to 2:12:10.040 --> 2:12:15.360 an organization, to a book, maybe even a movie, a 2:12:15.400 --> 2:12:17.280 doc something to give you more information about what we 2:12:17.280 --> 2:12:21.240 talked about in today's episode, and you know, Amanda was 2:12:21.280 --> 2:12:24.320 really grappling, I think, with her mental health and her 2:12:24.360 --> 2:12:26.720 stress and anxiety, and so this week we wanted to 2:12:26.760 --> 2:12:29.480 point you to the Mental Health Coalition. They are a 2:12:29.720 --> 2:12:33.000 coalition of the leading mental health organizations, brands, and individuals 2:12:33.080 --> 2:12:35.840 who have joined forces to end the stigma surrounding mental 2:12:35.840 --> 2:12:37.560 health and to change the way people talk about and 2:12:37.600 --> 2:12:41.600 care for mental illness. So for resources, programs or to donate, 2:12:41.640 --> 2:12:44.280 head over to the Mental Health Coalition dot org. They 2:12:44.280 --> 2:12:48.360 have a bunch of different like tabs for specific like groups, 2:12:48.720 --> 2:12:52.240 specific like traumas and stuff like that. So I think 2:12:52.240 --> 2:12:55.440 that they're a very helpful organization. Go that will be 2:12:55.520 --> 2:12:58.440 linked in our show notes and also in a story 2:12:58.640 --> 2:13:01.400 on our Instagramy this episode comes out, and we save 2:13:01.480 --> 2:13:05.960 all of those stories in our WWSPD highlights on Instagram, 2:13:06.000 --> 2:13:07.640 which is That's Messed Up Pod. If you want to 2:13:07.680 --> 2:13:11.880 go over there and converse with other listeners about the episodes. 2:13:12.480 --> 2:13:15.680 Thank you very much, And next week we'll be doing 2:13:15.840 --> 2:13:22.080 Redemption in Her Corner Season twenty one, episode thirteen. 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