Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories.
Speaker 3: Done done, Yay, that's messed up in sv podcast, coming
Speaker 3: at you right at the correct speed.
Speaker 4: I'm Lisa Trigger.
Speaker 1: And I'm Kara Klank And every week it's SVU, it's
Speaker 1: true crime, it's interviews, and it's chatting. And thank you
Speaker 1: to so many of you who wrote us that the
Speaker 1: stuff Lisa was talking about is called pre wrap.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much. I will try to get some.
Speaker 1: In the meantime, I'm back channeling to Rosie's coach and
Speaker 1: telling him that he needs to tell her she has
Speaker 1: to tie her hair up because she will listen to him,
Speaker 1: but she won't listen to me, so we'll see what
Speaker 1: he'll listen to him. She did her first practice and
Speaker 1: her hair was just like hanging down. She was wearing
Speaker 1: her little Dodger's hat. It's fucking crazy. In LA. They
Speaker 1: we pay ten dollars for them to do baseball. They
Speaker 1: get baseball socks, baseball pants, a practice jersey and away jersey,
Speaker 1: a home jersey, and a Dodger hat, like and it
Speaker 1: all has Dodger stuff on it. I mean, it's like
Speaker 1: the Dodgers subsidizes it. But it's like amazing. And she
Speaker 1: was just wearing her Dodger hat with her like mountain
Speaker 1: of hair. She's also getting a haircut today, so she
Speaker 1: needs to I'm sure not. She keeps going I want
Speaker 1: like this, she wants like two inches off, but like
Speaker 1: she just we just need to lighten it up for summer.
Speaker 4: It's like a wall of hair.
Speaker 1: She's a conundr. I just don't know, because I know
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's like Kelly Bensimon, like running with hair down, like
Speaker 2: doing anything with hair down that's physical.
Speaker 1: Is I can't even hair down. I bring a hair
Speaker 1: clip for when I go out to eat, like I can't.
Speaker 1: I don't want it anywhere near me If I don't
Speaker 1: have a hair tie a hair clip something I start.
Speaker 1: It's like sort of like you when I feel like
Speaker 1: you have to use your somewhere where you can't pete readily.
Speaker 1: I'm like panicking, like I'm like, what is this just
Speaker 1: gonna be on my neck? Like I can't do it,
Speaker 1: so and I don't know.
Speaker 2: Where she came from and I'm becoming a cliche and
Speaker 2: I'm sorry about this, but I did go to an
Speaker 2: AMC twenty seven minutes of previews and ads. I would
Speaker 2: have Pete in the middle. I could have never imagined
Speaker 2: it would keep going. And then four commercials after the
Speaker 2: twenty three minutes of previews.
Speaker 1: It was like I and so I saw the drama.
Speaker 1: Of course, I can't wait. I need to. I don't
Speaker 1: want to know anything, but can I say the worst?
Speaker 2: So I get to I knew I had to see
Speaker 2: it immediately because of spoilers. Like I knew I had
Speaker 2: to get to it, and I like, I liked the trailer.
Speaker 2: It got me excited. So it's like, I gotta go
Speaker 2: to the movies. Also Zindaa's and two trailers. While I'm
Speaker 2: sitting there, she's a star, so not that anyone doesn't
Speaker 2: know that, but anyways, so I go to the bathroom
Speaker 2: obviously to pee before the movie. I sit down, look
Speaker 2: at my phone and it's a spoiler. No first, it's
Speaker 2: the and it's like, my phone obviously did that on purpose.
Speaker 2: It knows what it's doing. The account didn't on purpose.
Speaker 2: Why would that be the first thing on my phone?
Speaker 2: I why wouldn't it be heated rivalry, Like, why wouldn't
Speaker 2: it be something else.
Speaker 1: That?
Speaker 2: So I so, I was actually very annoyed. I was
Speaker 2: truly moments away. And maybe that's like, I mean, we
Speaker 2: already know, you know, phones are bad technology, it's a nightmare,
Speaker 2: but that was like so fucked up to me. That's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah wow, but now I get to be a part
Speaker 2: of all of it. And it didn't ruin it, like
Speaker 2: spoilers don't actually ruin stuff. But I was so excited
Speaker 2: to be surprised.
Speaker 1: They're so like, I mean, I keep hearing about this twist,
Speaker 1: but I don't hear me, I hear it. It's it's
Speaker 1: not a twist, like it's oh someone said it was
Speaker 1: a big twist.
Speaker 4: That it's because they're stupid.
Speaker 2: It's like the it's it's set up that she's revealing
Speaker 2: something crazy, and so she reveals something crazy, Like what's
Speaker 2: the twist.
Speaker 4: We know she's gonna reveal something.
Speaker 1: Okay, and maybe you didn't see coming what she's revealing.
Speaker 1: Well that's the whole boy. Yeah, that's not the twist.
Speaker 1: That's not a twist. A twist is I didn't know
Speaker 1: what happened. We were gonna be surprised with her deepest,
Speaker 1: darkest secret. That's what it sets up, and that's what
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 2: So anyone that's saying it's a twist is like confused
Speaker 2: unless they saw a different trailer that didn't allude to
Speaker 2: the secret and they thought it was a rom com
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 1: No, this was a friend of mine that saw it
Speaker 1: and goes, there's just a big twist at the end.
Speaker 4: That's like pretty big.
Speaker 1: Cause I was like, oh why, what's because my friend
Speaker 1: goes to somebody, oh, did you see the drama last night?
Speaker 1: And I go, oh, why, what's happening? Like I was like,
Speaker 1: what do you mean what drama? What's going on?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 1: I want to like hear what the gossip is. And
Speaker 1: they're like, no, no, the movie the drama And I go, oh, oh, sorry,
Speaker 1: what's that And they were like, oh no, it's this
Speaker 1: movie with Zendeia and Robert Pattinson. And I was like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I've been seeing them on all their press
Speaker 1: and she was like, oh, it just has like a
Speaker 1: big twist in it. But we didn't really get into
Speaker 1: it beyond that because I said, oh, don't tell me.
Speaker 4: No, but that's what I mean.
Speaker 2: Maybe they didn't see the trailer at all and just
Speaker 2: sort of like, I'm gonna go to a Zendea movie
Speaker 2: and she's in address, so I think it's a rom
Speaker 2: com And now I'm confused. But if you saw the
Speaker 2: trailer I saw where it's what's the worst thing you've
Speaker 2: ever done? And then everyone doesn't like her answer, Like
Speaker 2: I don't know what would the twist would be, but
Speaker 2: you know, I guess people were maybe extracting something else.
Speaker 4: It is like weird. I don't know. I mean, but
Speaker 4: it was it good? You liked it? I did, and
Speaker 4: I would see it again. I mean.
Speaker 2: The thing is like a friend called me and like
Speaker 2: I saw her post about stuff and hate it and
Speaker 2: she was like and then this and this, and I go, yeah,
Speaker 2: but what if that's the point, Like what if your
Speaker 2: reaction is the point? And like you're supposed to feel
Speaker 2: these things, and like it is actually a good movie
Speaker 2: even if you hate these things about it because you're
Speaker 2: supposed to hate it, Like I don't know, it's interesting,
Speaker 2: it's new. It's hard to see things that are like
Speaker 2: haven't been done before. And I thought this was like that,
Speaker 2: and I.
Speaker 1: Liked the opening, like I was into it, and I
Speaker 1: loved their little press run.
Speaker 2: I don't know about Robert Pattinson. He seemed kind of
Speaker 2: boring to me. I'm obsessed with him now. Number I mean,
Speaker 2: he's so fun and silly. And the Jennifer Lawrence pressed
Speaker 2: he did, I'm like, Oh, he's like one of the girls,
Speaker 2: and like, I like him.
Speaker 1: I think he's like really silly from what I hear,
Speaker 1: or he's really weird.
Speaker 4: He's weird. Everyone's like he's weird, like you just don't
Speaker 4: know what he's gonna. I like that.
Speaker 1: I was never a Twilight person. I just talked to
Speaker 1: ever something in the podcast. I don't like, I was
Speaker 1: never a Twilight person. So I like Robert Pattinson. He's
Speaker 1: been in and out for me. Do you watch Darling
Speaker 1: Patre Oh the drama? No Twilight, Twilight. I've never seen it.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, And my soul cycle teacher loves it, so
Speaker 1: i'd be more in the know in terms of.
Speaker 4: Like the classes.
Speaker 1: Yeah we should do that. Yeah let's watch twice one
Speaker 1: but one movie per episode. I'm not watching like three.
Speaker 2: Episodes, like no, we can of course not because I'm
Speaker 2: reading now, so like I can't really I can't really
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, And what's interesting that I was just talking
Speaker 1: about with someone is like Twilight is what led to
Speaker 1: fifty Shades of Great because fifty Shades of Gray was
Speaker 1: based on fanfic fanfick of Twilight. But everybody was always
Speaker 1: like that is written so badly, and it feels like
Speaker 1: now we're in this moment of like everybody reading like
Speaker 1: smut gay like gay hockey, Like everybody's reading like very smut.
Speaker 1: Like there's all kinds of different, like sexy shit out there,
Speaker 1: but I think it's now well written, and so someone
Speaker 1: like the Fifty Shades Lady probably wouldn't make it now
Speaker 1: because I don't know even think your shit has to
Speaker 1: be sexy and be better ro people are still snobs because,
Speaker 1: like I told someone even asked her, I'm like, ohyeah,
Speaker 1: I finished all her books.
Speaker 4: I'm doing these other books.
Speaker 2: I'm on this book and she go, I go, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm like I'm really into them. She goes, well, they're
Speaker 2: easy reads, that's why you're doing it fast. I'm like,
Speaker 2: not easy for me, bitch, I'm reading pretty slowly, like
Speaker 2: I don't know what to tell you. But and people
Speaker 2: like to be like I heard, they're not that good.
Speaker 2: I'm like, well they're good to me, Like people are
Speaker 2: still annoying, I think, no matter what.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like a hard read is like where the author
Speaker 1: stops for like like twenty pages and does like historical
Speaker 1: research on like a time on like you know what
Speaker 1: people were wearing back in seventeen seventy four, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know. That's like that's the kind of shit Jared
Speaker 1: read sometimes where I'm like, you're just like doing it
Speaker 1: on hard mode to what brag Like it's yeah, I don't. Well,
Speaker 1: if he retains information, that's cool. I just don't really
Speaker 1: retain much, so I can't really be reading that kind
Speaker 1: of in depth. I guess I do for our show.
Speaker 1: You do retain a lot. I would say you're a retainer.
Speaker 1: But when things go off. That's like a lot of books,
Speaker 1: like things will go off into like other shit, and
Speaker 1: I feel like that's what I like losing listen and.
Speaker 2: I've read House of Leaves, Like if people want to
Speaker 2: come at me, I've read Anne Rand, Like what do
Speaker 2: you want, Like, I've done it.
Speaker 4: I've done it. I've not read iin Rand before. I'm
Speaker 4: just saying I have it.
Speaker 2: It's in the library at my parents' house, Like I've
Speaker 2: read these books, but right now I finished Starshiped. I
Speaker 2: loved it. I'm onto her next book, kat Sebastian. She's
Speaker 2: my new fave. It's called We Could Be So Good,
Speaker 2: set in nineteen fifty eight. Newspaper reporters ooh all gay
Speaker 2: gay of course, okay, okay, And I already bought her
Speaker 2: next book, and it's Baseball, guys, and I'm ready for it.
Speaker 4: It's baseball, my amazing No.
Speaker 2: But people are always going to be snobs no matter
Speaker 2: like if teen girls like it or women like it,
Speaker 2: it's not going to be received well or treated as
Speaker 2: something special.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw in the movie Theater, the Mario movie.
Speaker 2: Oh You're so lucky, because you know I have I
Speaker 2: already have the Happy Meal toy.
Speaker 4: I have one of the Happy mal so cute.
Speaker 1: Random is it that Donald Glover is the voice of Yoshi.
Speaker 1: He doesn't talk, He just makes squeaky noises, like he
Speaker 1: doesn't say anything. He just goes like Yoshi. So it's
Speaker 1: like get your money, Donald, But like it's just a
Speaker 1: strange anyway. It was really overstimulated, you know, it's like
Speaker 1: very colorful and crazy. I also watched two episodes ago,
Speaker 1: Craigan was on the fucking pit and he was so
Speaker 1: good and I cried. He made me cry. It was
Speaker 1: not even a like death episode. It was like literally
Speaker 1: just he's he's like an older man and like him
Speaker 1: and his what his way, Like he accidentally like hits
Speaker 1: his wife with a car, like not not runs over her,
Speaker 1: but like hurts her hip, you know. And it's like
Speaker 1: his daughter, their daughter comes in and she's actually a
Speaker 1: great actress from Glow and she's like, you guys, like
Speaker 1: you have to go into assisted living, like you cannot,
Speaker 1: Like you're not, You're just like can't live this way.
Speaker 1: You're gonna keep hurting yourselves. And it's just they have
Speaker 1: to like convince them. And it's just like he has
Speaker 1: like a really sweet moment with like one of the
Speaker 1: doctors about like getting old, and I just like was
Speaker 1: he made cry.
Speaker 4: He was so good.
Speaker 1: And maybe it's because I have more emotion buried into
Speaker 1: that actor than most people, but I thought he was
Speaker 1: really great.
Speaker 2: Oh, people were raving, people were raving. I saw people
Speaker 2: were going nuts. They like, yeah, they were excited to
Speaker 2: see him. Yeah, it was great. It was really great.
Speaker 2: And also Marishka's gonna be on Broadway.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be.
Speaker 2: Saw Yeah, I gotta go, I gotta go. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know what her dream come true. It's so crazy.
Speaker 2: It's like being I'm like, oh God, her dreams are
Speaker 2: coming true, and it's like I know a few of
Speaker 2: her dreams already have, but I'm still so happy for her.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'm surprised.
Speaker 2: It's sort of taking it this so long and then
Speaker 2: hopefully she could fucking hostess and now, like, what the
Speaker 2: fuck do you think? When she saw Connor's story do
Speaker 2: it so quickly, she was like, what the fuck I've
Speaker 2: been begging.
Speaker 4: Okay, you know the store in my neighborhood. Maybe you don't.
Speaker 2: It's called Random Accessories. I go there to buy Kitchi
Speaker 2: gift stickers whatever. So I get I get a set
Speaker 2: of SVU pens. They're at the They're at this, They're
Speaker 2: at the desk, the check out.
Speaker 4: Honor.
Speaker 2: One is Reddit, says Benson and Stabler. One is white,
Speaker 2: it says especially heinous. One's black says done.
Speaker 4: Done. One is blue. It says that's messed up.
Speaker 2: Like what, I just feel like iced teat like that
Speaker 2: it was important enough for us to name our podcast
Speaker 2: that but if the other ones are Benson, Stabler, especially
Speaker 2: Heinous and Done Done, like for them to do a
Speaker 2: niche that's messed up, Like are they using our podcast?
Speaker 2: Like what is happening with these pens? Or am I
Speaker 2: self involved? Am I too self absorbed? I don't know,
Speaker 2: but I'm looking at here they are, this is the brand.
Speaker 2: So what do you think I am interesting because it
Speaker 2: is something. I mean, this person who made them could
Speaker 2: be a big fan because I bought the I bought
Speaker 2: some heated rivalry pins obviously too, so it's the same.
Speaker 4: Can't read what it says. It says wow, genetic wow.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so what are your thoughts? Like, am I
Speaker 2: being crazy? Or are we being I.
Speaker 1: Mean, we have been around for five years. It's and
Speaker 1: it's not the most I definitely think we had to
Speaker 1: explain it to people at some people at the beginning.
Speaker 4: I don't think everybody's like, oh yeah, because to not have.
Speaker 1: Bells are fit, I don't know, especially Hainus, done Don
Speaker 1: and Benson and Stabler are like not on the same
Speaker 1: level as that's messed up.
Speaker 4: Maybe they but what would have been.
Speaker 1: Yes, That's what I'm trying to think, not in the
Speaker 1: criminal justice system, like something from the Opening or like
Speaker 1: or dedicated Detectives or like, I don't know, something like that,
Speaker 1: maybe something from the Opening. I mean, the Opening is
Speaker 1: the thing that's like everyone's sort of most iconic thing.
Speaker 2: Sammy, Sammy Goren, Sammy Goren, what's your deal?
Speaker 4: What's your deal with your little pens? Whatever? I bought them.
Speaker 4: Either way, I bought them, you know, either way.
Speaker 2: Oh, speaking of supporting the arts. So you know, the
Speaker 2: weather's been nice in New York, and so I've been
Speaker 2: sitting at the coffee shop, you know, enjoying the rays.
Speaker 2: And it was like a busy morning. And then I
Speaker 2: sat down and had a few beers. And then one
Speaker 2: of the other regulars hung up a poster at the
Speaker 2: store next door for like a school that can't that's
Speaker 2: doing Shrek the Musical but can't afford like set in
Speaker 2: costumes with a QR code to donate. And I was like, sir,
Speaker 2: you could have not hung this poster in front of
Speaker 2: the more correct person. And I'm like, four beers in,
Speaker 2: are you kidding me? So obviously we'll post this on
Speaker 2: our Instagram. But obviously I about Cape's ears. Everything they
Speaker 2: wanted they have like an Amazon link, and then I
Speaker 2: sent it to all the theater people I know, and
Speaker 2: so like all these comics and theater people are like donating,
Speaker 2: and I hope we all go. But the guy ran
Speaker 2: out from the coffee shop. He goes, we're going to
Speaker 2: put you in the program. I go, you don't have
Speaker 2: to do that. Like I'm just kind of drunk. I'm like,
Speaker 2: it's fine. I didn't even give that much, but like.
Speaker 4: It's so smart.
Speaker 1: It's such a smart idea because people could just go
Speaker 1: into Amazon and like buy things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was so easy.
Speaker 2: So we'll post the the photo of the poster because
Speaker 2: obviously I can't shirlink.
Speaker 1: You have to take a photo of the QR code.
Speaker 1: I don't know how else to do it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: PS thirty four. So I thought that was cute. So
Speaker 1: if people want to get involved, yeah, yeah, send it
Speaker 1: to me. I'll put it on the ist. And if
Speaker 1: you guys want to give to the Shrek, yeah, Trek
Speaker 1: the musical.
Speaker 4: PS.
Speaker 2: Thirty four, and then obviously I'm going but you know,
Speaker 2: I sent it to Marshabelski, Jake Cornett, I sent you know,
Speaker 2: John Marco, I sent it to people that Doran Anderson
Speaker 2: donated immediately.
Speaker 1: We're going, you know, like we have to support the
Speaker 1: arts and we have to support them when they're young.
Speaker 2: But now he like is always saying hi to me,
Speaker 2: and I'm just like, sir, I'm not as friendly as
Speaker 2: I am. Four beers in, you caught me, like you
Speaker 2: really caught me at like a nice moment, but like.
Speaker 4: Not at ten am. Honey, Yeah, this isn't gonna this
Speaker 4: isn't going to continue. No, it will, it will.
Speaker 1: I definitely want to be Oh, we haven't even talked
Speaker 1: about Amanda Batula and West Wilson.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Yes, people have been messaging being like Lisa needs to
Speaker 1: text West and get in front.
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, well I don't think that's happening, but no.
Speaker 2: But I've been defending him, so I obviously feel like
Speaker 2: really kind of you know, upset. I knew he was
Speaker 2: a fuck boy, but I didn't think he was like
Speaker 2: we were rooting for you, we were all rooting for you.
Speaker 2: Well I'm bad. I'm more mad at Amanda because we
Speaker 2: hate Kyle. I've hated Kyle for eleven seasons. This was
Speaker 2: our opportunity to dunk on Kyle. Fuck you Kyle, you cheating, liar, loser,
Speaker 2: You kept her down, you dj fuck you did nothing
Speaker 2: for her birthday.
Speaker 4: We hate you.
Speaker 2: We were gonna have that moment a man, and now
Speaker 2: he's like nice that he even gets to like that
Speaker 2: he does a photo with her and it gets to
Speaker 2: like be the good guy.
Speaker 4: I'm livid.
Speaker 1: I didn't even think about that point of view, because,
Speaker 1: of course you're much more of a summerhouse scholar.
Speaker 4: I don't really watch.
Speaker 2: Well, I haven't watched this season because, as you know,
Speaker 2: I've been reading.
Speaker 4: That's right, you're literary now.
Speaker 1: But I literally was like, I was like, wow, Kyle
Speaker 1: is coming out pretty good in all of this, because
Speaker 1: they're stopping him on the street and he's looking like
Speaker 1: a victim. Because now everyone thinks that this all started
Speaker 1: maybe a lot longer ago than they're acting like it did.
Speaker 4: Of course it did.
Speaker 2: The des Moine June said, a seasonal house member is cheating.
Speaker 2: Of course I assume it's a man. Of course I
Speaker 2: assume it's Kyle, no doubt my fucking mind.
Speaker 4: It was them.
Speaker 1: It was them, of course it was them, Snake. So
Speaker 1: in case anybody is listening, he doesn't know what we're
Speaker 1: talking about. And also hasn't been on the internet. I
Speaker 1: feel like I know people that don't even watch Bravo
Speaker 1: that know about this, Like Mom Donnie has weighed in
Speaker 1: on this, like this is literally like a cultural thing
Speaker 1: that's happening.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have a group like a mess now.
Speaker 1: People are saying it's like scandall, and it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's start backing. It's not apples to apples up, but
Speaker 1: it's like it's a similar situation, only in this sense
Speaker 1: that it's like two people on Summerhouse have been married forever,
Speaker 1: Kyle and Amanda. Lisa talked about them before. He's a shithead.
Speaker 1: He went to my college and then Sierra, one of
Speaker 1: the most beautiful women I've ever seen in my life,
Speaker 1: was dating this guy West who's in the house. Lisa
Speaker 1: was on Watch What Happens Live with him and he
Speaker 1: was He kind of fucked her over, but then everyone
Speaker 1: was kind of forgiving him.
Speaker 4: But then he got back together with her almost this
Speaker 4: current this.
Speaker 2: Courrent season, they've just been like hanging out and vibing
Speaker 2: and they were at the Super Bowl together and like,
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, he did fuck up.
Speaker 4: He led her on.
Speaker 2: She was very adamant about saying like I don't fuck around,
Speaker 2: like I only like to be in committed things for
Speaker 2: sex and ye stuff. He took her to a wedding,
Speaker 2: took her to his family's farm, and then was like no,
Speaker 2: thank you. So like he got lured by the fame.
Speaker 2: It was humiliating and so part of us. It wasn't
Speaker 2: like hell, yeah, like hopefully Sierra can just date outside
Speaker 2: of the fucking house. But it was like sweet because
Speaker 2: we do like Wes. He's funny and charming and whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So like it was nice that she was starting like
Speaker 2: it was nice. It's nice to see, Yeah, I'll get along.
Speaker 1: But essentially her best Amanda who got out of this
Speaker 1: bad marriage that we've been waiting that everyone's been waiting
Speaker 1: on her to get out of. And Sierra's holding her
Speaker 1: hand the whole damn time, and then she goes and
Speaker 1: start announces that oh my god, these feelings came out
Speaker 1: of nowhere and we just like developed we start and
Speaker 1: so her in western dating now and everybody's really.
Speaker 2: He's not even fuck they're like a sign relationship. He's
Speaker 2: fucks around, he's not with her. The thing is, she
Speaker 2: was about to have ad campaigns, the city shows. Coming out,
Speaker 2: she lost business stuff, but also friendship, the future of
Speaker 2: this show, like yeah, like we is Raquale for what for?
Speaker 2: West Will said, there's no way he fucks that good,
Speaker 2: Like you can't fuck anyone out of the house. We
Speaker 2: were so I was so excited to see sexy, hot
Speaker 2: single Amanda in the streets of New York. Fucking hot guys,
Speaker 2: I know that, Like, why do I think they why
Speaker 2: do you think they announced, Like did an announcement like
Speaker 2: oh because love instead I didn't going I thought love.
Speaker 2: They didn't say love. It was a joint statement of
Speaker 2: we're seeing what's up. Like it wasn't even like we're together.
Speaker 2: That's right, But I think a joint statement means something.
Speaker 2: To even come out with a joint statement means something.
Speaker 2: Whereas she could have just said I fucked up. I'm
Speaker 2: so sorry, Sira, I hooked up with him. Please forgive
Speaker 2: me blah blah blah, instead of like give us privacy
Speaker 2: while we navigate this, Like it just felt like she
Speaker 2: they were treating it like a more serious relationship, Whereas
Speaker 2: I think that's bad for everything in her life that
Speaker 2: you just stated.
Speaker 4: Like your business, her personal life, for friendships. It's but
Speaker 4: now Siara's gonna get it all.
Speaker 2: Like everyone loves her, everyone's rooting for her, famous people
Speaker 2: love her, like everyone loves her, and like she's already
Speaker 2: being funny. In her Red Carpet interview, she was already working,
Speaker 2: like she is already successful, smart person, and now she's
Speaker 2: going to be catapulted by like that. And the reunion
Speaker 2: is still has to film, which is exciting. Oh, I'll
Speaker 2: tell you why the statement happened, so like I'll watch
Speaker 2: the rumors were happening. The rumors were happening, and then
Speaker 2: the other cast members started posting shitty things and unfollowing.
Speaker 2: And that's because West and Amanda were on a couple's trip.
Speaker 2: Like that's what I get. So then they come back,
Speaker 2: but it's like, girl, you had an Edie Parker ad
Speaker 2: come out the same day of your joint. She like,
Speaker 2: you fucked over your best friend for no reason? Yeah,
Speaker 2: for no reason? So wait, did I already see I
Speaker 2: don't know if I saw you, guys, but like some
Speaker 2: I'm like walking as the story is breaking, and I
Speaker 2: see a girl on a patio and Amanda is on
Speaker 2: her phone, and so I turned to the woman and
Speaker 2: I go, can you even fucking believe this? And she goes,
Speaker 2: what what? And I go, oh, sorry, I saw your phone. Sorry,
Speaker 2: I was like looking at your phone fully. But then
Speaker 2: we ended up talking for like ten fifteen minutes about
Speaker 2: the situation.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I was snooping on you, like looking at what
Speaker 1: you're looking at.
Speaker 4: I just saw Amanda, but I'm like, can you believe?
Speaker 2: She goes they took down the ad, and I go
Speaker 2: and she looked fucking hot, but like she.
Speaker 4: Is, they took down immediately. That's what I mean.
Speaker 2: That day they posted a headless nothing of a model
Speaker 2: the T shirt hanging because like in Amanda's photos there's
Speaker 2: under boob, which is like hot. This was like just
Speaker 2: the T shirt head chopped off and it said a
Speaker 2: lot can change in a day. And then Edie Parker
Speaker 2: sent me stuff. I love Edie Parker and so and
Speaker 2: I've bought for Edie Parker before they even sent me stuff,
Speaker 2: and I DMed them and they just they didn't they
Speaker 2: didn't give me any information.
Speaker 4: But I tried, guys, I tried.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm of course, yeah, that's a crazy like take
Speaker 1: though it's a great take that I didn't realize is
Speaker 1: like this could have been This could have been the
Speaker 1: time for Kyle to finally get.
Speaker 4: And the girls. It's oh accountability.
Speaker 2: It's like when the girl it's like, it reminds me
Speaker 2: of Lalla and Sheena going with Sandaval and it's like
Speaker 2: a man. It's like, it's what we always say, don't
Speaker 2: go to jail for a man. It's like, whenever you
Speaker 2: center or put a man in front of girls in
Speaker 2: your life and your business and your everything, this is
Speaker 2: what happens. Yeah, has no one's seen the movie Burian, Like,
Speaker 2: this is what happens when you do that.
Speaker 4: That's what happens. You get fucked, You get fucked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, like I didn't even I don't even
Speaker 1: know Sierra very well from Summer House. I love her
Speaker 1: from Traders. I thought she was so fun on Traders.
Speaker 1: I think she's only gonna get it. She's gonna be
Speaker 1: like Ariana, she's gonna be hosting shit, she's gonna be
Speaker 1: and like the housewives love her, like everyone fucking loves her.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: So I walk into the cellar and Alicia, one of
Speaker 2: the managers, goes, oh my god, I've been thinking about
Speaker 2: you all day, And I go, oh my god, the
Speaker 2: Connor story of Horizon Ad and she goes, what, no,
Speaker 2: she goes Amanda and West and I go, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, for sure. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: It's like so embarrassed. Not really the Verizon Ad.
Speaker 2: Well, I went to see a movie at the Film Forum,
Speaker 2: so obviously you know they're really they're really snop.
Speaker 4: What's it called pretentious?
Speaker 3: There?
Speaker 4: I would say, yeah, yeah, what'd you see?
Speaker 2: I saw a Russian movie, you know, I know, and
Speaker 2: both my teacher and my parents went, don't go see that,
Speaker 2: And of course I saw it.
Speaker 4: It's gonna haunt me forever. I will never be the same.
Speaker 2: It's like the movie The Pianist, and I think about it, like,
Speaker 2: I'm really upset right now. Yeah, just even sad World
Speaker 2: War two. It's nineteen thirty seven. Yeah, but it's the
Speaker 2: movie came out this year. It's like a guy that's
Speaker 2: like a contemporary actors in it with all. It's called
Speaker 2: Two Prosecutors and it's a Russian documentarian or Ukrainian I
Speaker 2: don't remember. But and then he made this movie and
Speaker 2: it's about the Gulas my mom and it was like
Speaker 2: a seventy degree day. So like the fact that I
Speaker 2: went at three pm and then exited.
Speaker 1: Just really yeah, it's playing here at the Lemley so
Speaker 1: it's I know, the Film Forum. I mean it's like
Speaker 1: a very like indie like very you know, heady movies.
Speaker 1: I'd like to tell you everyone was alone, So if
Speaker 1: you were wondering if there was anyone everyone.
Speaker 4: There was not a date, including my friend.
Speaker 2: But I was wondering if everyone else spoke Russian or not.
Speaker 2: I don't think so, but like I liked catch like
Speaker 2: the subtitles didn't always translate to the words, so like
Speaker 2: I kind of that's why I went, was to like
Speaker 2: listen to Russian and I left really changed forever.
Speaker 1: Have you thought about starting to listen to labadah the
Speaker 1: person that Katia is obsessed with some of that music.
Speaker 1: I yeah, yeah, I should just listen to some fun
Speaker 1: music instead of yeah, let's listen to a little Labba Da.
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Speaker 1: So a lot of times I say get ready to
Speaker 1: get sad on this podcast, but I would say get
Speaker 1: ready to get mad. This episode is so fucking infuriating
Speaker 1: because you know, it's a Kim Rolins episode. So it's
Speaker 1: season fourteen, episode fifteen.
Speaker 2: And this is the thing, like with the Mel Robbins
Speaker 2: and all these motherfuckers that are like, you have to
Speaker 2: forgive your family, and it's like, no, you fucking don't, No,
Speaker 2: you damn Rollins to the curb.
Speaker 1: Get her out of your fucking life, Get her out
Speaker 1: of your life. Yeah, no, just you know her family. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's yeah, it's really well.
Speaker 2: And then obviously we love Lindsay Pulsifer and you know
Speaker 2: this character does have bipolar or whatnot, but yes.
Speaker 1: Which we find out later, but at this point in time,
Speaker 1: we're allowed to be angry with her because we do
Speaker 1: not know that yet. Okay, so we open on Finn
Speaker 1: and Rollins hallway mid domestic shots fired. She's calling back up.
Speaker 1: They're waiting on ESU, but Finn, here's a woman screaming,
Speaker 1: and he does not wait when that's happening. So they
Speaker 1: bust into this apartment and the door honestly seems unlocked
Speaker 1: and Ajar so a bad criminal. And this guy in
Speaker 1: a beanie is standing over a woman screaming. Rollins tells
Speaker 1: him to freeze, and he goes, bitch, you better bounce
Speaker 1: to Rollins, which is like, she's a detective with a
Speaker 1: fucking gun in your face, and he's like, he's like
Speaker 1: a woman, I don't think so you get the fuck
Speaker 1: out of here, bitch, Like I'll deal with ice.
Speaker 4: So anyway, he's got nerve.
Speaker 1: Finn is not having it when when you insult his partner,
Speaker 1: no thanks, and he push it. But you know what
Speaker 1: they're really setting the scene for how much Finn always has.
Speaker 1: Rolins back pushes the dude against the wall and says
Speaker 1: where the gun's, bitch, And then the guy is like
Speaker 1: struggling against Finn, Rollins is screaming, do not resist, and
Speaker 1: then the screaming lady calmly goes detective and when they
Speaker 1: turn around, she has a gun pointed at them and
Speaker 1: fires two shots and shell of all that adrenaline that
Speaker 1: you have because no, our faves are not being murdered.
Speaker 1: This is a simulation so Silence of the Lamb style,
Speaker 1: which you know, I take any opportunity to bring up
Speaker 1: Silence of the Lambs.
Speaker 2: But yeah, who are we talking to? And they're like,
Speaker 2: have you seen Silence of the Lambs?
Speaker 1: And it's like are you Like yeah, I was like
Speaker 1: I have I committed it to memory.
Speaker 4: Also, yeah, have you seen this video?
Speaker 2: It's like someone with a stuffed bunny from the back
Speaker 2: and it says, do you think it's a bunny?
Speaker 4: You think it's a bunny? And then they turn around
Speaker 4: and it's Winnie the Pooh and a bunny.
Speaker 1: Outfit and she goes, no, it's Winnie the Pooh. Yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. And it comes in my feet
Speaker 1: ever so often, but this week I just keep going, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's Winnie the Pooh. Well that's why these people are
Speaker 1: basically doing too Rollin's and Ben they're like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: guys are dead, So basically, yeah, if you remember, like
Speaker 1: in Silence of the Lambs, like you know, they're like, damn,
Speaker 1: you're dead, Clarice whatever, like, so the camera cuts wide.
Speaker 1: This is a very elaborate set, like basically they probably
Speaker 1: are just shooting the set of the show and uh,
Speaker 1: and Finn is teasing Amanda forgetting God. But then beady
Speaker 1: guy is like, dude, you were next USVU detectives tend
Speaker 1: to see women as victims, like you can't turn your back.
Speaker 1: And then he gets interrupted by Amorrow, who's like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we got it. Let's go my turn, let's rock and roll,
Speaker 1: and Benson goes, I have to go with him, like
Speaker 1: he's he's p she's pissed. She has to do the
Speaker 1: simulation with Tomorrow and Daddy Craigan is smiling at his
Speaker 1: kids bickering, and now they're all target shooting at a
Speaker 1: gun range.
Speaker 4: It's kind of fun.
Speaker 1: You got like the main four just bang bang bang
Speaker 1: shooting some guns at tart at paper targets. And Craigan
Speaker 1: is like, Finn, the point is to avoid civilian casualties,
Speaker 1: and Finn's like, if I'm shooting, I'm emptying the whole gat.
Speaker 1: I don't really understand, like what's happening, Like, is the
Speaker 1: problem that he used too many bullets, or that he
Speaker 1: was actually spraying bullets everywhere and that people could die
Speaker 1: tomorrow does pretty well. Benson fucking nails it, duh. But
Speaker 1: Rollins is Annie Oakley okay close to perfect Annie Oakley.
Speaker 2: I only think about Alyssa Edwards from like Annie Oakley
Speaker 2: doesn't exist to me anymore.
Speaker 4: Yeah, only Alyssa Edwards with a gun. Alyssa. Try to
Speaker 4: watch Psych really? Yeah, it's like on a street, you know.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to find something to grasp me from my
Speaker 2: heat of Like I'm not watching Heat of Rivalry. So
Speaker 2: I have some semblance of the facts and like dignity,
Speaker 2: but nothing else is hitting in any way.
Speaker 1: So I thought, I tried Psych, and I don't think
Speaker 1: it's for me. I don't think it's gonna be I
Speaker 1: don't think it's going to do the trick. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's gonna do the trick. I mean, I will
Speaker 1: be honest. When I was a page at NBC, my
Speaker 1: friend I worked at USA, and my friend gave me
Speaker 1: the script to Psych, and I read the pilot and
Speaker 1: was like, this is so dorky, Like this is not
Speaker 1: gonna go anywhere, And then it literally ran for like.
Speaker 4: Six seasons in a movie.
Speaker 1: It was like, I was like, maybe I'm not meant
Speaker 1: to be an executive because I think this show seems
Speaker 1: really dorky. But people love psych. People love psych. Okay,
Speaker 1: So Rollins is Annie Oakley. Her shots are all kill
Speaker 1: shots right in the center, grouped so close together, like
Speaker 1: she's got away with a gun.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: Cut to Amanda getting home to her apartment. The door
Speaker 1: is ajar. She asks, who's there? Why are you asking
Speaker 1: who's there? It's New York City. If someone's in your apartment,
Speaker 1: it's most likely a fucking person robbing you or something
Speaker 1: like you're Rowins. It's not like you gave your keys
Speaker 1: to a bunch of friends. So she goes, who's there?
Speaker 1: She's about to draw her weapon, turns on the lights,
Speaker 1: and who do we have here?
Speaker 4: But Kim Rowins.
Speaker 1: Weird as fuck standing in pitch black in Amanda's living room,
Speaker 1: wearing sunglasses and earbuds. Why are you standing in darkness?
Speaker 1: Maybe waiting for maybe having a migraine, maybe having a smoothie,
Speaker 1: waiting for a smoothe to get there from an intern,
Speaker 1: But like it's very weird, and she's like, hey, sis,
Speaker 1: I obviously surreptitiously made a key to your apartment the
Speaker 1: last time I was here, like a totally normal sister.
Speaker 1: Is that cool with you? And Rollins is like, what's
Speaker 1: up with the sunglasses? It's ten pm. She takes them
Speaker 1: off to reveal obviously cut Spruce's black guy.
Speaker 4: Is it Jeff? He hit you?
Speaker 1: And Kim tells Amanda She's like, stop being a cop
Speaker 1: for a second. I've got great news. I'm pregnant. You're
Speaker 1: going to be an aunt. Amanda clearly has mixed feelings,
Speaker 1: but this is, you know, not great news when you
Speaker 1: first show the shiner and then you show that you
Speaker 1: say that you're pregnant with the you know man that
Speaker 1: gave you the shiner. So at this point, this is
Speaker 1: only the second episode we've seen Kim Rollins in. Okay,
Speaker 1: we've already We've covered Friending Emily. That's the introduction of
Speaker 1: this That's where we had her Lindsay Pulsa for the
Speaker 1: actress right on friending Emily and then.
Speaker 4: Which one that was earlier this season?
Speaker 1: All right, yeah, so that's when we had her on
Speaker 1: was the friend of Emily episode earlier in this season?
Speaker 1: Then she's in season seventeen obviously the fluid episode iconic,
Speaker 1: and then you know later she's in heightened emotions and
Speaker 1: then Eternal really from pain, which I forget is an
Speaker 1: episode where her doctor she's being extorted. Fore she's being
Speaker 1: sexually assaulted in exchange for painkillers or medication that she needs.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Sound's family really is just mean a series
Speaker 1: of white trash events after another, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: and the.
Speaker 4: Hits keep coming, the mom, the dad, like there's.
Speaker 1: Nobody, and then and then it's like, finally Rollins finds
Speaker 1: love and family in this like beautiful unit she's always
Speaker 1: wanted and then he's held up in a corner start.
Speaker 4: Like he's held up in a deli.
Speaker 2: She's the new She's like walking in the line of
Speaker 2: Benson and the shoes of Benson of just like no joy,
Speaker 2: constant drama. Your siblings will ruin your lifetime and time
Speaker 2: again and will not like let you bond over your
Speaker 2: bad parent together, Like what the fuck?
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, life is suffering, you will never have peace
Speaker 1: and happiness. Yeah, so that's so the like that, what.
Speaker 2: Does that merch? Your life is suffering and you will
Speaker 2: never have peace? Is that what you say? Should we
Speaker 2: put that on that round piece or happiness life is suffering. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we can put that on merch out. That sounds great,
Speaker 2: maybe like a like.
Speaker 1: A a swinging crop top. Okay, so we're at that.
Speaker 1: That's the end of the cold open is like the
Speaker 1: pregnancy news. So now we're just chilling in Amanda's apartment
Speaker 1: living room, like Kim's icing her face with.
Speaker 4: Some corn or whatever, like a bag of peas.
Speaker 1: And then turns out the shitty boyfriend Jeff is the
Speaker 1: father and he's on his way to New York and
Speaker 1: she's like, I don't know, Amanda, he won't listen to me.
Speaker 1: And Amanda's like, he'll listen to me. And then she
Speaker 1: gives her sister the bedroom and says she'll sleep on
Speaker 1: the couch, and Kim's like, I'm so lucky to have you, Amanda.
Speaker 2: But it's also like, you're both sisters. Why aren't you
Speaker 2: sharing a bed? That's what I think that can share
Speaker 2: about immediately. My sister and I are literally sharing a
Speaker 2: bed this weekend.
Speaker 1: But like it's I don't know, like but I think
Speaker 1: it might be because she's pregnant or something that she's
Speaker 1: trying to give her, like the full night's sleep and
Speaker 1: be like chivalrous or something to like the pregnant woman.
Speaker 1: I don't know so, but you know, we already know
Speaker 1: the truth about Kim. But even if you sort of don't,
Speaker 1: it's like everything that comes out of her mouth like
Speaker 1: I think this actress does a good job, because everything
Speaker 1: that comes out of her mouth is like I should
Speaker 1: believe you, but it doesn't feel like it's genuine at all.
Speaker 1: So at the precinct, Rollins is late and Finn's like,
Speaker 1: I covered for you again, much like much like going
Speaker 1: after the guy who called her a bitch in the
Speaker 1: first scene, Fin's got her back, and so Rollins tells
Speaker 1: the gang about how her sister's knocked up with the
Speaker 1: abusive X and Benson's like, you got to get her
Speaker 1: a temper straining order. Amar's like, why don't me and
Speaker 1: Finn go talk to the guy Manda Man and Rollins
Speaker 1: is like, y'all, I don't need you getting dragged into
Speaker 1: my messy family drama. But Finn's like, again, We've got
Speaker 1: your back. So they really they really love Rowlins over there,
Speaker 1: She's they are truly the SVU squad is the family
Speaker 1: that she deserves but never had. At a bar called
Speaker 1: Kevin's with a why don't know why they made that choice.
Speaker 1: Jeff is sitting there having a beer. Amar and Finn
Speaker 1: approach and they're like, Kim's not coming, big guy, and
Speaker 1: he knows Amanda is behind this, and he's like, she's crazy.
Speaker 4: And then he's telling them Kim called me. She told
Speaker 4: me to come to New York.
Speaker 1: And they're like, was that before or after you gave
Speaker 1: her a black eye? If you touch her again, we'll
Speaker 1: send you back to Georgia in a sling. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't fuck with those two guys. So cuts to
Speaker 1: Kim and Amanda shopping for baby clothes. I mean, okay,
Speaker 1: it's a little premature, but she tells Kim that the
Speaker 1: guys went and spoke to baby daddy Jeff, and Amanda's
Speaker 1: like talking to her. So I'm gonna start calling her
Speaker 1: Amanda now and not Rowlins, because there's two rowins Is
Speaker 1: throughout that episode, just so everyone doesn't get confused, she's
Speaker 1: Amanda now. So Amanda's like, oh, do you want a
Speaker 1: boy or a girl? Has the doctor told you that?
Speaker 1: And she's like, oh, I said I didn't want to know,
Speaker 1: And then she just talks about how amazing it's going
Speaker 1: to be to have a baby. And Amanda's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like not easy to do on your own. And
Speaker 1: Kim's like, but I have you right. It's like wait,
Speaker 1: I mean, are we all going to live like a
Speaker 1: family of three on my cop salary? And Jeff comes
Speaker 1: busting into the baby store like, hey, I got something
Speaker 1: to say to you, like very aggressive. There are onesies everywhere.
Speaker 1: You can just take the temperature down, sir. And Amanda's like,
Speaker 1: how did you find us? And he goes, he says
Speaker 1: the most twenty thirteen thing possible. He goes, if you
Speaker 1: don't want to be found, then don't check in on
Speaker 1: four square obsessed.
Speaker 4: I mean I never did four Square, but it is
Speaker 4: so early. I played four Square as a kid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like yeah, like class stack, but like being the
Speaker 1: mayor of like a location.
Speaker 4: I don't even know what it is. I just assume you.
Speaker 1: Would be you did four Square, now you would be
Speaker 1: the mayor of that coffee shop where you're friends with
Speaker 1: them that like, you would be the.
Speaker 4: Mayor of that Yeah I didn't pay for mine today
Speaker 4: or yesterday. Yeah, that's mayor behavior.
Speaker 2: So I give them more cash than I could ever
Speaker 2: than the coffees could ever costs. It's like never, actually,
Speaker 2: but that's fine.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So he's shit yelling at her for checking in on
Speaker 1: four square, and like, Amanda looks at Kim like girl,
Speaker 1: and she goes it was just a shout out to
Speaker 1: my girls at the Huddle House, which I had to google.
Speaker 4: I didn't know what the Huddle House was.
Speaker 1: And it's a restaurant chain with two hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: two locations in twenty one states. But I guess they're
Speaker 1: headquartered in Atlanta, which makes sense. Have you ever been
Speaker 1: to one on the road?
Speaker 4: No, I'm about to look it up. I want to
Speaker 4: use that's like such a fun name.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Little Huddle House. So Amanda tells Jeff to leave,
Speaker 1: but he tells her to butt out. This new MVP
Speaker 1: All Star wrap looks incredible. Wait, what kind of food
Speaker 1: is it?
Speaker 3: Even?
Speaker 4: I didn't even like.
Speaker 2: Look it looks like a Denny's style Yeah, yeah, like
Speaker 2: an ie hoop.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was thinking it would be a place to
Speaker 1: get like anice pancake or something, but fried waffle basket.
Speaker 1: So Amanda tells Jeff to leave. Kim's like, Jeff, we're done,
Speaker 1: and Amanda's like, stay away from her, and he goes,
Speaker 1: or what, you're gonna pull your gun on me in
Speaker 1: a baby store. He's the one screaming, I mean, he's
Speaker 1: screaming about her having a gun, I mean, and Amanda
Speaker 1: keeps it cool. She goes, you're not getting another warning, loser,
Speaker 1: So he says it ain't over. This ain't over by
Speaker 1: a long shot. Music is swelling. This is not going
Speaker 1: anywhere good. So back at the apartment, Amanda's helping Kim
Speaker 1: fill out her paperwork for the restraining order. They're discussing
Speaker 1: how Jeff has access to guns, but he's not dumb
Speaker 1: enough to bring one to New York City. He knows
Speaker 1: they're like the new gun laws. So I guess at
Speaker 1: the time of this episode, like twenty thirteen, late twenty twelve,
Speaker 1: like New York gun laws, we're getting more strict. So
Speaker 1: Amanda snaps a picture of Kim's face, like her beat
Speaker 1: up injuries, because she's like, I need proof for the judge.
Speaker 1: So now we're sitting in the chambers of Judge Ruth Linden,
Speaker 1: who you may recognize as the judge who primarily handled
Speaker 1: Benson's adoption of Noah. The actress is Jane hudoshell, she's wonderful.
Speaker 1: What I just I just popped in to say, legend, legend? Yes,
Speaker 1: I saw her in a play once. She's amazing. She's
Speaker 1: concerned that none of these incidents took place in New York,
Speaker 1: but Amanda's sworn statement does carry weight with her, so
Speaker 1: she hands over the order and tells Amanda, don't serve
Speaker 1: this yourself. And then as they leave, Amanda tells Kim
Speaker 1: that and Finn are about to serve Jeff this restraining order,
Speaker 1: and Kim's like, right now, I should give him a
Speaker 1: heads up, and a man is like, Babe, no, you
Speaker 1: can't go near him or talk to him, Like, I'll
Speaker 1: explain all the ins and outs of it to you later,
Speaker 1: and Kim's like, okay, great, you want to have dinner later.
Speaker 1: There's like a recurring theme of Kim trying to get
Speaker 1: free meals from people so fun throughout the episode, like
Speaker 1: she's really really like hard up for some food. Benson
Speaker 1: and Finn show up to what looks like not even
Speaker 1: a hotel or a hostile It looks like a dilapidated
Speaker 1: dorm room, like there's a corkboard on the wall, Like
Speaker 1: I don't really know why there would be a corkboard
Speaker 1: in any kind of hotel, but maybe a hostel, and
Speaker 1: they serve Jeff the restraining order. I couldn't see this
Speaker 1: in the earlier part of the episode because he was
Speaker 1: wearing a beanie, but he is a ginger with a
Speaker 1: light ginger facial hair situation as well, and he's like, geez,
Speaker 1: is everyone in this town in cahoots with Kim's sister?
Speaker 1: And it's like, first of all, yes, you simply cannot
Speaker 1: beat up a woman who is related to a detective of.
Speaker 4: New York bed's most elite squad? Are you my favorite? Though?
Speaker 4: This is my favorite. I love when he's like.
Speaker 1: You all know, Amanda, Yeah, yeah, you literally are doing
Speaker 1: the crime we specialize in.
Speaker 2: Stop Like, sorry, I was giving me attention.
Speaker 4: What'd you say? I said, I'm sorry, I was texting
Speaker 4: my niece, was giving me attention.
Speaker 1: You have to stop, you have to stop dropping roll
Speaker 1: when that happened, and I understand, Okay, So and then
Speaker 1: not only are you like dumb, like fucking with the
Speaker 1: s view, but then I'm also buying that this guy
Speaker 1: knows the term in cahoots like I just as a person,
Speaker 1: don't I don't buy that. He knows that, so they
Speaker 1: tell him don't violate the order and he's like, I'm
Speaker 1: a victim too, I need an order of protection from
Speaker 1: both of the Rowl and sisters. And Finn goes, why
Speaker 1: don't you quit while you're behind and go home, and
Speaker 1: Jeff goes, Amanda can't keep me from my baby, and
Speaker 1: Benson gets in his face and goes, you want to
Speaker 1: you want us to bring you in right now? And
Speaker 1: he backs off. You know, I don't think he's trying
Speaker 1: to fuck with Benson here at the precinct. Kim shows
Speaker 1: up and immediately he starts trying to fuck Tomorrow, like
Speaker 1: just with a quickness.
Speaker 4: She's like, hey, how could you not?
Speaker 2: But my thing is like Amorrow is giving it to her,
Speaker 2: like Amarrow is flirting back, like I don't think he
Speaker 2: can help it, or he's obviously trying to like help
Speaker 2: Amanda in some way with this.
Speaker 1: But it's like, Buty, no, you know what I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, though, you're you're not wrong that he's kind
Speaker 1: of giving it to her, because.
Speaker 4: I feel like, I mean a lot of the way
Speaker 4: he talks to her.
Speaker 1: Is very Carissa Gibson coded Okay from rhodium, not that
Speaker 1: whole thing like the escort thing from season thirteen, like
Speaker 1: beginning of fourteen. Like he it's like you've already gotten
Speaker 1: in trouble for like flirting with people like and if
Speaker 1: your wife was doing this saving hot young boys the
Speaker 1: way you would be an actual explosion, like of a
Speaker 1: human being, you would absolutely kill. But he's like, She's like,
Speaker 1: I can't reach Amanda, but is it okay if I
Speaker 1: just wait here? And then she's like, does anyone have
Speaker 1: change for the vending machine? My bills are too crumpled,
Speaker 1: like bitch, straighten out a dollar bill. They all go
Speaker 1: in eventually, and she's like, I haven't eaten all day
Speaker 1: and Tomorrow knows she's pregnant, and so he's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm a dad, I got a like I'm a gentleman.
Speaker 1: So he offers her a real meal, and I guess, like,
Speaker 1: you know, all his victims can wait until after they
Speaker 1: have their Chinese foods, they stop and have a little
Speaker 1: lunch together. So now we see Amanda where she is
Speaker 1: is in her gamblers anonymous support group where she's talking
Speaker 1: about her sister being one of her triggers, and she's like,
Speaker 1: you know, Kim doesn't have to worry about anything, so
Speaker 1: I've had to worry about everything my entire life and
Speaker 1: like basically clean up her messes. So now Kim and
Speaker 1: Tomorrow back to them having their midday Chinese, and she's
Speaker 1: telling anecdotes about Amanda being super tough as a kid,
Speaker 1: something about shooting a squirrel gun, you know, all this stuff,
Speaker 1: and Amara's like, yeah, you two had it tough growing up,
Speaker 1: and She's like, yeah, at least it wasn't boring. And
Speaker 1: then Amanda walks in and is like very Kim, what
Speaker 1: the fuck are you doing here?
Speaker 4: Vibes?
Speaker 1: And then she apologizes to Tomorrow and Kim's like, you
Speaker 1: know how I can't sit around in your apartment all day,
Speaker 1: and it's like She's like, I need to get out
Speaker 1: and con people up for free lunches.
Speaker 4: You know, like I have to see the city.
Speaker 1: And then Craigan approaches and he goes the pizza delivery
Speaker 1: rapist has struck it again.
Speaker 4: The VIC is on route to the hospital. I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I wish we got this case eventually, Like I wish
Speaker 1: the next episode, can we get the pizza delivery right?
Speaker 1: Like I didn't know about that I want to know
Speaker 1: about this case. And then Amorro takes it and Amanda goes,
Speaker 1: I can join you, and Cam you go home. I
Speaker 1: have DVR. Now you're gonna love it. And then Craigan goes,
Speaker 1: I'll have someone take her home. And that really made
Speaker 1: me miss my DVR right as they mentioned it. You know,
Speaker 1: a twenty thirty just like a twenty fourteen reference to
Speaker 1: DVR will really take me back to my past. But
Speaker 1: and she thanks Cragan and goes, Amanda, tell me how
Speaker 1: you've always got her back. And then Cragan looks like
Speaker 1: a little bit like his bullshitometer is picking something up,
Speaker 1: like he makes a littleick subtle face like yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: give you a ride, Like no big deal, lady, you
Speaker 1: don't have to like kiss my ass so hard as
Speaker 1: kind of what you're getting the vibe from Craigan. So later,
Speaker 1: Amanda's getting home. As she puts her keys in the door,
Speaker 1: she hears yelling in the apartment. She hears get off me, Jeff,
Speaker 1: you're hurting me, et cetera. So she the door is chained,
Speaker 1: She busts open her own door gun drawn, tells Jeff
Speaker 1: to get off of her. Sister Kim's yelling I told
Speaker 1: him to leave, and Jeff's yelling she told me to
Speaker 1: come here. She's like, no, I didn't. Amanda tells Jeff
Speaker 1: hands up, and he pulls a gun and Kim goes
Speaker 1: he's got a gun, and Amanda shoots him. And we
Speaker 1: know from the beginning of the episode that this bitch
Speaker 1: doesn't miss. So she shoots this dude dead, bang bang.
Speaker 1: His blood splatters all over Kim, who looks very shook, obviously.
Speaker 1: So now that's commercial. That's a very like, wow, we
Speaker 1: got a lot done in act one there, Like we
Speaker 1: set the scene, We've got Rollin's childhood, We've got a
Speaker 1: full murder happening or a death. So now the cops
Speaker 1: are at the apartment. Rollin's explaining the whole thing to Craigan.
Speaker 1: He says it was a good shoot. He and Benson
Speaker 1: are telling her like, shut the fuck up, don't talk
Speaker 1: to anyone but your delegate or a lawyer. Up walks
Speaker 1: Captain Reese played by Isaiah Wo Whitlock Junr. He just
Speaker 1: past at the end of December. Recently he's in three
Speaker 1: episodes as this character.
Speaker 4: The Oscar Memoriam like he was the second person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's in so many are yes, three episodes
Speaker 1: as this character, but then a bunch of others as
Speaker 1: different characters. He's also been in Original Recipe Criminal Intent,
Speaker 1: like he's done the full trilogy. And he also is
Speaker 1: of course most well known, I would say for The Wire.
Speaker 2: And then he's in one of the one of my
Speaker 2: old favorite movies, twenty fifth Hour.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, is that zombie? No, it's Edward Norton.
Speaker 2: It's like he's it's his last night before he has
Speaker 2: to self report to prison for his sentence. Oh, and
Speaker 2: then his friends are Barry Pepper and Philip Seymour Hoffman.
Speaker 2: And then Rosario Dawson is his love interest in Isaiah
Speaker 2: Whitlock plays like a cop. But and it's a Spike
Speaker 2: Lee movie. It's I think one of Spike Lee's is
Speaker 2: like very few white movies.
Speaker 1: My friend sat next to Spike Lee at the Oscars
Speaker 1: and said that his commentary throughout the whole thing was
Speaker 1: like amazing.
Speaker 4: They were like recommend knock on wood.
Speaker 2: But if I had a make a wish with no
Speaker 2: death or disease, I would definitely want to sit like
Speaker 2: court side at a basketball game with him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be fun Casey, what movie was I
Speaker 1: thinking of when I thought of zombies?
Speaker 4: Twenty eight days later? Twenty eight days? Okay, yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2: Not to be confused with twenty eight days, one of
Speaker 2: my favorite Sandra Bullock movies, yes, which, and.
Speaker 1: Then not to be confused with the movie where the
Speaker 1: guy has to cut his own arm off because it's
Speaker 1: underneath n twenty seven days on undred and twenty seven days, gotcha?
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: But when I say not to be confused, what I
Speaker 1: mean is to be deeply confused in my own brain
Speaker 1: because I cannot tell.
Speaker 4: And I say, it's one hundred and twenty seven hours
Speaker 4: our hours.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes more sense. I go, wow, we really
Speaker 1: last said long out there A long time to be
Speaker 1: pinned under a rock. Oh my god, this episode is
Speaker 1: already so unhinged. Okay, So Reese wants to talk to Amanda,
Speaker 1: but Benson is like, she won't answer any questions without
Speaker 1: a delegate.
Speaker 4: And then just then friend of the.
Speaker 1: Pod Bobby Burke aka Ed Tucker shows up and he's
Speaker 1: at like peek Ed Tucker like.
Speaker 4: Evilness kind of in this episode, like.
Speaker 2: He's really like well, and it's funny because usually like
Speaker 2: Stabler was his guy to get to and now he's like,
Speaker 2: fuck Stabler, the whole department, you're crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, He's like, whoever you can be my blonde Stabler,
Speaker 1: you know. And then he also, I think they're building
Speaker 1: him up as bad, Like maybe they knew they were
Speaker 1: going to take him into like better territories. Maybe they're like,
Speaker 1: let's build him up as bad as we can and
Speaker 1: then like change him. So he goes, she's right, let's
Speaker 1: get her a delegate and if she says anything, Mirandizer
Speaker 1: make it stick.
Speaker 4: And Benson's like, Tucker, what the fuck are you doing here?
Speaker 1: And he goes it's her second officer involved shooting this year,
Speaker 1: and Tucker is being like just an instant. Dick doesn't
Speaker 1: believe Amanda was justified in this, like wants to question
Speaker 1: her and they're like, well, Amanda needs an exam, and
Speaker 1: she's like, so does Kim.
Speaker 4: She's pregnant. So at the hospital we meet Amanda.
Speaker 1: Delegate Dedi Dnsler, great name who appears in five episodes
Speaker 1: whenever these crazy kids end up killing someone, as recently
Speaker 1: as season twenty six. She's also I think in tomorrow's
Speaker 1: one eighty where he shoots someone like she's the delegate
Speaker 1: that helps these people. And the actress is Mary B. McCann,
Speaker 1: who is in two other episodes as different characters, but
Speaker 1: five is Dede Dentsler. So so she's also in Sex
Speaker 1: in the City obviously.
Speaker 4: Yes, she's power lesbian.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's the lesbian she's buying the paintings, so yeah.
Speaker 4: And she and in that episode she's with samoraw Tony
Speaker 4: so yeah, yeah, yeah, So maybe we have talked about
Speaker 4: her because I feel like we've talked about the power
Speaker 4: of lesbians before.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so many people are in there because there's
Speaker 2: another actress that's been in sview.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That is a very powerful episode. Yes, yes, very powerful,
Speaker 1: very powerful crossover. She's explaining to Amanda like, hey, they're
Speaker 1: going to run a full talk screen and get your
Speaker 1: blood alcohol level, so if there's anything we got to
Speaker 1: look out for, and Amanda's like, you're not going to
Speaker 1: find anything like I was coming home from work. Then
Speaker 1: Dedie and Benson like sha a look and Dedie's like,
Speaker 1: you really also should talk to the department psychologists like
Speaker 1: asap as well, and aman is like, listen, lady, I
Speaker 1: just splattered my sister's abuse of baby Daddy's brains all
Speaker 1: over her own face, in my own home. So you're
Speaker 1: making too big of a deal out of this, Like
Speaker 1: this really isn't that big of a thing, and like
Speaker 1: he was raping my sister he had a gun, and
Speaker 1: Benson's like, yeah, he's also the father of her baby
Speaker 1: and she might feel different about this, like in a
Speaker 1: year's time at Christmas and Amanda goes, I don't go
Speaker 1: home for Christmas.
Speaker 4: Love that love that.
Speaker 1: I'm really not gonna have to deal with that because
Speaker 1: I won't be home for Christmas. And Dedi's like, go
Speaker 1: get your head shrunk, Like tomorrow first thing, Like that's happening.
Speaker 1: So in the waiting room of the hospital, Finn shows
Speaker 1: up and Benson is filling him in, you know, like
Speaker 1: she's basically telling Finn, you know, the shooting's by the
Speaker 1: book and Rollins isn't losing any sleep over it, and
Speaker 1: Finn's like, yeah, I just think it hasn't hit her yet.
Speaker 1: So meanwhile, Amorrow opens an exam room curtain without any permission,
Speaker 1: just going Rollin's like it just opens an exam room
Speaker 1: curtain in a hospital, Like are you allowed to do that?
Speaker 1: But Oopsie's he switched the wrong sister. He walks in
Speaker 1: on Kim getting exact and Kim immediately goes, oh, you
Speaker 1: came to see me. That's so sweet, and she's like,
Speaker 1: I'm actually looking for Amanda, and Kim goes story of
Speaker 1: my life and he goes, are you okay, and she goes, well, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: besides being pregnant with my baby daddy's blood splattered all
Speaker 1: over my face, I guess I'm doing pretty good. And
Speaker 1: then she's like, well, they want to do a rape kit,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to hurt the baby. And he
Speaker 1: tells her like, I mean he could just tell her
Speaker 1: like it won't hurt the baby, because I don't believe
Speaker 1: that a rape kit does any damage to like personally,
Speaker 1: as someone who has been pregnant. They are swabbing you constantly.
Speaker 1: And he tells her he could, that he gets it,
Speaker 1: but it could really help Amanda's case to have evidence,
Speaker 1: and he goes and then Kim goes, well, he wasn't
Speaker 1: really raping me. I mean he tried, but he didn't,
Speaker 1: you know. And Marrow's like, listen, you should let them
Speaker 1: document any injuries for Amanda's sake, and she goes, Amanda
Speaker 1: will be fine. She always is I couldn't tell her.
Speaker 1: She was trying to say that he tried to rape her,
Speaker 1: but couldn't get it up, Like I couldn't tell what
Speaker 1: her story. He was here, But Amanda is now because
Speaker 1: she's a liar because yeah, lying psycho bit. Yeah, she's
Speaker 1: not practicing any elliptical pauses a sign of lying.
Speaker 4: She just is a straight liar.
Speaker 1: So now Amanda is talking to a Law and Order legend,
Speaker 1: doctor Elizabeth Olivet played by Carolyn McCormick. She's been on
Speaker 1: six episodes of SBU, but like I thought it was
Speaker 1: sixty something, but is it more like eighty something episodes
Speaker 1: of Law and Order? Eighty seven episodes of Law and Order?
Speaker 1: She was there George Wong in like the early years
Speaker 1: of Law and Order. She was always like the psychological perspective,
Speaker 1: like telling the cops like, here's what this could mean,
Speaker 1: here's how you have to talk to this victim. Stuff
Speaker 1: like that Ali that is telling Amanda like I think
Speaker 1: you're coming off of the adrenaline rush and you might
Speaker 1: have some trouble sleeping like once you do. And Amanda's like,
Speaker 1: I've been down this room before. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: get depressed. I'm not gonna wonder what kind of life
Speaker 1: Jeff would have lived. I don't care. And all of
Speaker 1: it's like, I know you've been through this before, like
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to help you. And Amanda's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're I'm here so that the department is covered. If
Speaker 1: I eat my gun and don't worry, I won't and
Speaker 1: all of that's like, Okay, that's an alarming statement. Why
Speaker 1: don't we dive into that. Have you had any suicidal thoughts?
Speaker 1: And Amanda goes, no, I'm annoyed and the guy had
Speaker 1: it coming. My sister brings pieces of shit into my
Speaker 1: life and then drags me into it. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not blaming my sister, but it's also not my fault.
Speaker 1: And she's like, I just want to get back to work,
Speaker 1: and all of that's like yeah, but you know you
Speaker 1: can't get back to active duty until this investigation is closed.
Speaker 1: And all of that says that I'll say that your
Speaker 1: reaction is within the norm, like that you're doing fine,
Speaker 1: but we should have a follow up session, and Amanda's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like whatever I need to do. So in the meantime,
Speaker 1: she goes, call me if you have anxiety or any
Speaker 1: trouble sleeping, and she goes, I'll sleep.
Speaker 4: When I have my gun back.
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe it's a little bit weird to be that
Speaker 1: dependent on your gun for calm and peace in your life.
Speaker 1: So at the Precinct tomorrow is filling us in on
Speaker 1: the details of Jeff's gun. It's an M nineteen eleven
Speaker 1: forty five too many numbers sold through the internet delivered
Speaker 1: to his house, one of six guns that he's had
Speaker 1: ordered just through the Internet that are unregistered. But that's
Speaker 1: legal according to Georgia law. Crazy crazy neighbors confirm the story,
Speaker 1: like I don't understand why pro to a people, which
Speaker 1: I mean, like I am pro Second Amendment in some ways,
Speaker 1: but like why would you ever advocate to have your
Speaker 1: guns be unregistered? Why would you like be like I
Speaker 1: have a murdering machine in my house and I don't
Speaker 1: want anyone to know about it. Like, I don't get that.
Speaker 1: What's the what's the Republican talking point on that?
Speaker 2: Well, they're liars, But their whole thing is we need
Speaker 2: the guns that the government doesn't know about, so when
Speaker 2: the government tries to take us, we can attack them.
Speaker 2: But they didn't realize that they were the boot lickers
Speaker 2: the whole time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, so that's what it is.
Speaker 2: They're like, we're patriot were we would fight against the government,
Speaker 2: but they would suck the government's dick, like they would
Speaker 2: take the President's come all over their fucking eyes and
Speaker 2: let it burn them through than ever actually see the
Speaker 2: world for.
Speaker 1: A dollar cheaper gas? Yeah, and how much is gas now?
Speaker 6: I just ga?
Speaker 4: Now gas is quick?
Speaker 2: How are they still how are they still convincing themselves?
Speaker 2: And then someone wrote Republicans don't even fly? Did you
Speaker 2: see what Delta did? What Congress can't get any special
Speaker 2: treatment or bypass any TSA lines like no special treatment
Speaker 2: for Congress if they want to fly Delta, wait why
Speaker 2: because they've made the lines terrible. And then they get
Speaker 2: to go through X like oh special security, this is good,
Speaker 2: this is good. Yeah, so with everybody, Yeah, they go
Speaker 2: fuck you go stand in line.
Speaker 4: Then oh I love that.
Speaker 2: Like at the end of the day, big business runs
Speaker 2: our country, and once you fuck with a big business
Speaker 2: that you're good.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean? That's what they actually, that's
Speaker 4: what it is.
Speaker 2: I don't have a fuck about anything or anyone. It's
Speaker 2: about money, and you fuck with Delta's money. They're gonna
Speaker 2: come for you, dude, go Delta. And another reason we
Speaker 2: are proud to be terrible things. They're the ones that
Speaker 2: worked with the president to roll back. Like if they
Speaker 2: cancel your trip, you can't get reflects anymore. Like they're
Speaker 2: not perfect. Yeah, they want money. They absolutely are corporation
Speaker 2: that wants your money. But you know, of the evils,
Speaker 2: I like them. Yeah, so what's happening? Okay, so that
Speaker 2: they're so that's whatever. That's how this fucking guy has
Speaker 2: a bunch of guns. And the neighbors confirm the story
Speaker 2: Kim was screaming the door getting kicked in double tap
Speaker 2: and Jeff's dead. That's Finn's words, not mine, And Amarro thinks,
Speaker 2: iab has no case.
Speaker 4: He's like, I mean, it's a good shoot.
Speaker 1: But Benson and Craigan have to fill Nick in on
Speaker 1: a little bit of the history with Tucker, Like she's like,
Speaker 1: he tried to take my badge. Like this guy has
Speaker 1: it in for us, you like, does he spend as
Speaker 1: much time fucking with like narcotics and homicide for sure?
Speaker 1: But they break the rules all the time they do.
Speaker 1: It's like Mykeson, I'm sorry you did break so many
Speaker 1: rules and get DNA tests without any paperwork, like I
Speaker 1: don't know what you want, Like I'm on their side,
Speaker 1: but it's not.
Speaker 4: Like they're like, I don't know why he's.
Speaker 1: Doing this, and it's like because you've just kept breaking rules.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: So so now we're at IAB and Kim is telling
Speaker 1: her story to Reese and Tucker how she was asleep
Speaker 1: she heard a knock. She thought it was Amanda not
Speaker 1: having keys to her own apartment, I guess, and then
Speaker 1: open the door. He forced his way in, saying he
Speaker 1: was gonna take back what was his Amanda showed up
Speaker 1: pretty quickly. She doesn't remember how many shots, maybe two
Speaker 1: or three. And then they ask if the officer identified herself,
Speaker 1: and Kim goes, oh, well, Jeff knows who she is.
Speaker 1: And Tucker goes, oh, they knew each other. What was
Speaker 1: the tenor of their relationship? And Reese goes, Tucker stick
Speaker 1: to the incident. So even Reese knows Tucker's a little
Speaker 1: bit too hot for sv you, Like, he's like, let's
Speaker 1: not get into all that or whatever. So after the
Speaker 1: shots were fired, Amanda told Kim, don't touch anything. Call
Speaker 1: nine one one and then she went to check on Jeff.
Speaker 1: So now Amanda is giving her statement to IAB describing
Speaker 1: what happened. They're asking her repeatedly if she saw Jeff's gun,
Speaker 1: which she did, and Reese says, if ballistics and forensics
Speaker 1: match her story, she should be fine. So it's like
Speaker 1: when the guy was shot, didn't he have the gun
Speaker 1: in his hand? Like he did reach for a gun
Speaker 1: against his sister in law or not sister in law,
Speaker 1: but you know whatever, a girlfriend's sister who is a
Speaker 1: cop and.
Speaker 4: Was pointing a gun at him.
Speaker 1: Like it's almost like that's truly the definition of like
Speaker 1: suicide by cops, like why would.
Speaker 4: You eat him?
Speaker 1: But there is never confirmed a gun. You see it,
Speaker 1: you see the episode. You see him reach for it.
Speaker 1: So I don't like everyone's acting like Kim saying he's
Speaker 1: got a gun is like a is like a a
Speaker 1: tip off, but like you do, you see him reach
Speaker 1: for it and hold it like so maybe it's I
Speaker 1: don't know, they don't go back to that. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: like looks like a gun but it's not. I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe it's unloaded. I don't know. So Reese says, hey,
Speaker 1: if ballistics and forensics match your story, you'll be fine.
Speaker 1: So next we're at Finn's apartment with the Ralin sisters
Speaker 1: and just clocking a couple of decorative touches. There is
Speaker 1: a large ceramic leopard or some kind of fast cat,
Speaker 1: and then there's a smaller one that's a tiger, So
Speaker 1: I like that he's sort of collecting ceramic jungle cats
Speaker 1: as he goes through life. Kim comes in and goes
Speaker 1: nice man cave and then Rollins is like sorry. Amanda's like,
Speaker 1: hope CSU works quick, so like we don't have to
Speaker 1: be in your hair for too long, and he's like,
Speaker 1: no big deal. You guys can take Ken's old room
Speaker 1: down the hall, and Kim goes, man, they should put
Speaker 1: you up if your place is a crime scene, and
Speaker 1: it's like rude. It just feels like it's like a
Speaker 1: subtle dig It's like this man is putting you up
Speaker 1: in his home and you're acting like it's not good
Speaker 1: enough and you should like be in a hotel. And
Speaker 1: Amanda's like, if she gets to be too much, just
Speaker 1: let me know. We'll get her the hell out of here.
Speaker 1: So now they're in Ken's room and Kim's on the phone,
Speaker 1: saying what if that's not the way it happened, And
Speaker 1: then she gets off the call. When Amanda walks in
Speaker 1: so obviously sketchy as hell, she says, everything's good. I
Speaker 1: like it here and like lies like nothing but lies
Speaker 1: can come out of this girl's mouth.
Speaker 4: And Amanda has.
Speaker 1: To go to work, but she's like, we'll have supper
Speaker 1: together later, and Kim's like, maybe chiny again, I mean
Speaker 1: once again, just like babe, buy me food. Like that's
Speaker 1: all she cares about is these New York dinners. And
Speaker 1: she says to Amanda, she goes, hey, Amanda, love you,
Speaker 1: and Amanda's like, love you too. And it's like a
Speaker 1: little weird how cheerful Kim is like talking about getting
Speaker 1: excited over Chinese. It's like, yes, the guy was a
Speaker 1: piece of shit, but you were in a relationship with
Speaker 1: him and carrying his child and you were splattered by
Speaker 1: his blood like just a few hours ago, so you
Speaker 1: don't seem that disturbed by like witnessing his full death
Speaker 1: and just excited for some Kung pou chicken.
Speaker 4: I guess.
Speaker 1: So now at IAB, We're in Tucker's office when who
Speaker 1: comes to the door but Kim Rowlins, and she goes,
Speaker 1: I hate to go behind Amanda's back, but there's something
Speaker 1: I need to tell you.
Speaker 4: So here we go. Here we go with this dumb bitch.
Speaker 1: So now now Tucker is bringing Amanda into interrogation, and
Speaker 1: I will call iab interrogation white walls grab bars because
Speaker 1: it's not cement room bars, like the walls. The walls
Speaker 1: are white and all that's on the side are those
Speaker 1: grab bars, like what you have in like, you know,
Speaker 1: a shower for old people or something like. So basically,
Speaker 1: white room grab bars is where they are, and he
Speaker 1: just wants to tie up some loose ends with her.
Speaker 4: With Amanda about her.
Speaker 1: Relationship with Jeff Parker, She's like, well, I first met
Speaker 1: him in twenty ten when my sister brought him home
Speaker 1: for Easter. He's like, and what was your Did you
Speaker 1: like him? Did you not like him? She's like, I
Speaker 1: didn't really think much about him, good or bad. And
Speaker 1: then it's like, yeah, right, Rollins, you're not a great liar.
Speaker 1: And then Tucker's like, well, what about six months ago
Speaker 1: in Atlanta when you slammed him against a wall and
Speaker 1: threatened to arrest him, And Amanda's like, that's bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Amanda's like, fuck, like who told you that? And
Speaker 1: obviously you fucking know who told her that? Who else
Speaker 1: would have told him that, you know? And then Amanda's like, well,
Speaker 1: he had beaten the shit out of my sister the
Speaker 1: night before we had to take her to the er.
Speaker 1: And he's like, okay, but yes or no, you have
Speaker 1: a pattern of physical force and threats with the deceased,
Speaker 1: and she's like, he's a danger to my sister. It's like,
Speaker 1: I just don't think he would be saying that so
Speaker 1: much if it was like a man coming to defend
Speaker 1: his sister, if it was like a cop being like,
Speaker 1: you mess with my sister, I come after you. You know,
Speaker 1: like he's just has it in for Rollins a lot
Speaker 1: in this episode. And then what about four months ago
Speaker 1: in New York City? You pulled a gun on him
Speaker 1: in your apartment in New York And then she's like,
Speaker 1: he was attacking my sister. I saw the attack happening,
Speaker 1: and he goes, yes, but your sister had invited him in.
Speaker 1: And then you said if you're not out of here
Speaker 1: in thirty seconds, I'll shoot you, and then said you
Speaker 1: show up again, no warning, And it's like oh, you
Speaker 1: see Rowlins like going through in her mind, being like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that does sound like me. And then Tucker goes, was
Speaker 1: he really attacking your sister? Or did you just not
Speaker 1: want this guy in your house? So now we're getting
Speaker 1: you know, we're getting to this pattern. So Amanda she
Speaker 1: also could have shot him, not to kill like she
Speaker 1: is a professional, but he was pilling up a gun
Speaker 1: and he's a psycho, like he might have killed her
Speaker 1: to get her out of his life, you know. Amanda
Speaker 1: shows up at Finns and throws the remote control she is.
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, that's Finn's remote control dog, Like, don't
Speaker 1: take it out on his shit, you know. And she's
Speaker 1: furious at Kim, demanding better tell me what you told Tucker,
Speaker 1: and she's like I had to, like.
Speaker 4: I had to make it look like it was an accident.
Speaker 1: And Amanda's like, you better straighten this out, and Kim goes, well,
Speaker 1: we're just not going to get the money then, and
Speaker 1: there it is, and like I had forgotten kind of
Speaker 1: where this episode goes, and then I was like, up
Speaker 1: there it is.
Speaker 4: And Amanda's like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: And she's like, well, I kind of took a life
Speaker 1: insurance policy out on Jeff, and Amanda asks what I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: which is you kind of did that, and actually, Kim goes, well,
Speaker 1: we both did.
Speaker 4: Your name's on there too.
Speaker 1: I mean the way that I would absolutely put hands
Speaker 1: on my sister like this is absolutely she's the worst,
Speaker 1: wouldn't iab have also like looked into that, Like, don't
Speaker 1: like when there's murders and stuff, like, don't they check
Speaker 1: on insurance policies like pretty quick.
Speaker 4: I always think that they do, but maybe they don't.
Speaker 1: Kim goes, yeah, we have to make it seem like
Speaker 1: an accident, like he I just found I read the
Speaker 1: fine print, and like if he gets murdered in the
Speaker 1: act of while committing a felony, they won't pay out.
Speaker 4: And Amanda is fuming.
Speaker 1: I mean, she takes off her pea coat and slams
Speaker 1: it on the ground, like her outerwear has never been
Speaker 1: treated so aggressively. She bought the policy, Kim says, two
Speaker 1: months ago when she found out she was pregnant, and
Speaker 1: Amanda's like, show me the policy, and Kim goes, I
Speaker 1: don't have it. Amanda goes get it and suddenly it's
Speaker 1: in her backpack. She just like pulls it right out
Speaker 1: of her backpack. It's right there, and Kim goes, you're
Speaker 1: a smart girl. Why can't you just roll with this
Speaker 1: like we can finally be rich, And Amanda is pissed, like,
Speaker 1: why did you sleep on your sister being a grifter?
Speaker 1: You just forgot, like don't This is who she is
Speaker 1: has always been. So Amanda has now brought the insurance
Speaker 1: policy at the top of back three too Tucker and
Speaker 1: is showing him like, look, my sister forged my name
Speaker 1: on this. She has impulse control issues. And Amanda's like, well,
Speaker 1: the policy is no good anyway, and he's like, well,
Speaker 1: we're going to check on that. She goes, look, I'm
Speaker 1: here without a lawyer to get the truth out, like
Speaker 1: I just want you to know the truth. And again
Speaker 1: it's like, why are you not listening to Kragan and
Speaker 1: Benson and everyone that has told you do not fucking
Speaker 1: go to Iaby without a lawyer. Amanda goes, Kim will
Speaker 1: confirm that she was attacked two days ago and she
Speaker 1: warned me that Jeff had a gun and this was
Speaker 1: a good shooting. And he goes, oh, so Kim's going
Speaker 1: to change her story once again, and Amanda's like, I
Speaker 1: have nothing to hide, and Tucker's looking over her jacket
Speaker 1: and goes, see, you're a bit of a gambler, huh,
Speaker 1: And she goes, yeah, but I was forthcoming about that
Speaker 1: with my captain and he goes, you were forthcoming about
Speaker 1: it after the guy you owed money droped the dime
Speaker 1: on you, and she goes yes, and then she confirms.
Speaker 1: He's like, and how much do you owe these guys?
Speaker 1: And she was like, twenty thousand dollars and do you
Speaker 1: still owe it to them? And she goes, well, they're
Speaker 1: in Attica, and he goes, but you still owe them
Speaker 1: the money, Like just because these.
Speaker 4: Men are in jail, they are going to remember that
Speaker 4: you owe the money.
Speaker 1: So you are in debt and a gambling addict, and
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to believe that you didn't know that the
Speaker 1: man you shot had a life insurance policy with you
Speaker 1: as a beneficiary. And Amanda's like, yeah, but I came
Speaker 1: to you and she and he goes, after your sister did,
Speaker 1: so I got to give this one to Tucker almost.
Speaker 1: It's like your sister got you into a fucking mess,
Speaker 1: and now you come to this guy without a lawyer,
Speaker 1: like that's some huge sign when you should absolutely have
Speaker 1: a lawyer or a delegate with you, Like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: that would not make the truth any different of you
Speaker 1: telling the truth. I guess she just wanted to make
Speaker 1: it a sign of good faith. But this man has
Speaker 1: no good faith in you. So at the precinct, Ben
Speaker 1: is trying to talk to Amanda about her situation. He's like,
Speaker 1: you got to get a lawyer, and she's like, I
Speaker 1: haven't done anything wrong, and they're just gonna hang him
Speaker 1: out to dry if I do that. And it's like, good,
Speaker 1: hang her ass out to dry, do it. And Amanda
Speaker 1: is trying to explain the dynamic. It's like, I thought,
Speaker 1: it's just so interesting about Amanda.
Speaker 2: It is just like she has absolutely no patience or
Speaker 2: empathy or anything for anybody else. You're a dumb bitch.
Speaker 2: You should have left. Why don't you know this? You
Speaker 2: should have done that. You're a weak woman, bah blah
Speaker 2: blah blah. And it's like, but yet you can't let
Speaker 2: your sister go. Yeah, yeah, at least Early rollins. Yes,
Speaker 2: that's like her vibe. Yeah, but it's very annoying. It's
Speaker 2: Claire Parker was talking about this on a podcast. She's
Speaker 2: like Celebrity Memoir book Club. Now good noticings, but like
Speaker 2: what makes a good memoir memoir?
Speaker 4: And she goes, you have to then be accountable at
Speaker 4: the end. You know. It's like all these like guys
Speaker 4: just think it's like.
Speaker 2: An AA meeting and they're like, eah, I did all
Speaker 2: these terrible things and then there's nothing at the end.
Speaker 2: And then they also don't give that like sympathy to
Speaker 2: the other people in their lives. So they're like, my
Speaker 2: mom was a dumb bitch. I deserve forgiveness, but not her.
Speaker 2: And she just says, you have to like extend that
Speaker 2: to all the other people that you want to receive, Like,
Speaker 2: if you want to receive that understanding, you have to
Speaker 2: give it to others.
Speaker 4: And Rollins just does not have that at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't think I would have thought about that,
Speaker 1: but I watched that Claire talk about that a few times.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: I haven't really read that many memoirs, but that totally
Speaker 1: makes sense, I mean, and that's I think why certain
Speaker 1: people in like celebrity culture are even liked more. Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, people would like Tyra better if Tyra just
Speaker 1: said I fucked up. I did some bad shit, but
Speaker 1: instead she's like, this is the way it was. I
Speaker 1: had no control, you know, and blames everybody but herself.
Speaker 1: But Amanda is trying to explain the dynamic to Finn, like, listen,
Speaker 1: she fucks up, I fix it. That's kind of our
Speaker 1: back and forth of our entire life together. But Finn
Speaker 1: points out, yeah, but because of that, she's never really
Speaker 1: had to grow up wise wise man, Like that's I mean,
Speaker 1: we find out later that she obviously has a mental
Speaker 1: health like a diagnosis, but before that we're kind of
Speaker 1: just like, you've enabled this behavior because you just fucking
Speaker 1: fix all her situations for her. So he asks her like,
Speaker 1: do you want to tell me what's going on? Because
Speaker 1: he doesn't know all the IAB stuff, I don't think,
Speaker 1: and she goes, I'm not sure, and then he walks away.
Speaker 1: You know, Finn doesn't like it when he has your
Speaker 1: back over and over again and then you don't come
Speaker 1: to him with something, or you don't trust him with something.
Speaker 1: That's a that's a that's a deal breaker for old Odafin.
Speaker 1: So in White Room grab Bars, now Kim is sitting
Speaker 1: and Tucker walks in and he brings up the policy
Speaker 1: and goes, well, whose idea was that? And Kim goes,
Speaker 1: I love my sister. I don't want to get her
Speaker 1: in trouble. And she's like hemming and hawing that I'm
Speaker 1: all alone with nowhere to go, and Tucker goes, just
Speaker 1: tell the truth and we'll take care of it. So
Speaker 1: she's there to angle for like a fucking hotel room
Speaker 1: or whatever. So at the precinct, Amanda is leaving another
Speaker 1: angry message for Kim to call her back, and she
Speaker 1: asks tomorrow, like, have you seen Kim And he's like, no,
Speaker 1: not since yesterday. She goes, oh, really, because you two
Speaker 1: look pretty cozy the air the other night, like, and
Speaker 1: everyone's really taken aback by her tone, and Benson's like,
Speaker 1: what's going on, and she's like, Kim is gone.
Speaker 4: She's not answering her phone.
Speaker 1: Her stuff is cleared out of Finn's place, and Craigan's like,
Speaker 1: Rolin's get in here, And it does feel like the
Speaker 1: walls are closing in. This feels like when Rolin's got
Speaker 1: busted for her gambling and like everything that ended up
Speaker 1: happening in Shock.
Speaker 2: She doesn't have more substance abuse issues. Honestly to deal
Speaker 2: with all her other issues. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4: Gambling, Yeah, I would get another one going. I couldn't
Speaker 4: handle all that. Yeah. But Craigan is like, what's going on?
Speaker 1: You're like a hot mess out They're screaming at people,
Speaker 1: like what's up, and Rollins explains the whole thing about
Speaker 1: what a nightmare her sister is. Finn knocks on the
Speaker 1: door and says, one of my neighbors saw Kim get
Speaker 1: into an unmarked police car.
Speaker 4: Ay.
Speaker 1: I love that Finn's neighbors are this observant and that
Speaker 1: they know what an unmarked police car looks like. And
Speaker 1: Craigan's like, well, unlike you, who are a dumb ass Rollins,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna actually call you a lawyer, but too late.
Speaker 4: Uh oh.
Speaker 1: In walks Tucker and another IAB guy and they arrest
Speaker 1: her for the murder of Jeff Parker, and he goes,
Speaker 1: your captain will take your shield, so she hands it
Speaker 1: over to Craigan. They cuff her, and Craigan goes, don't
Speaker 1: talk to anyone without a lawyer. I mean, I've said
Speaker 1: this to you seven times this episode. Maybe you could
Speaker 1: listen now, and Tucker's like, thanks, captain, you can let
Speaker 1: us do our job now, and it's like, fuck you.
Speaker 1: You know her, She's allowed to that's her right, Like
Speaker 1: stop telling her captain that he can't tell her her
Speaker 1: rights anyway. Top of back four, Rollins is taking up
Speaker 1: where she's going through the whole thing, mug shot in
Speaker 1: front of a nasty stained wall, fingerprints, taking off her belt,
Speaker 1: getting her one phone call all because of her piece
Speaker 1: of shit sister. Later, Rollins is in a cell alone
Speaker 1: when her lawyer shows up and da, it's Hashi Horowitz.
Speaker 4: We got him. He was really happy to see him.
Speaker 4: We got Hashi. We did?
Speaker 1: I mean, there are some shitty defense attorneys. I say
Speaker 1: he's one of the good ones.
Speaker 2: Right well, I just love knowing who they pick, like
Speaker 2: when YOWNI needs, you know, a lawyer for his daughter,
Speaker 2: or like the adoption that Benson picked leg Like obviously
Speaker 2: it's probably.
Speaker 4: Because they're married, but I.
Speaker 2: Like to see who they pick, and that means Hashi
Speaker 2: Horowitz is good and like Elizabeth Marvel, I feel was
Speaker 2: hired from the inside before, So I just I do
Speaker 2: like to see where they're professional personal interests.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no one's hiring a Buchanan. I think they're not
Speaker 1: They're like, even I'm not gonna go that low. So
Speaker 1: he introduces himself. He goes, I'm she Horowitz. I'm the
Speaker 1: guy who's going to get you out of this Michigos,
Speaker 1: which you know, you know, in the absence of Belzer,
Speaker 1: it's nice to have a little bit of Yiddish on
Speaker 1: the show. So Craigan's on the phone with one PP
Speaker 1: now promising that his squad is not going to get
Speaker 1: in IAB's way on this blah blah blah. Then he
Speaker 1: hangs up and says, well, one Pps covering their ass,
Speaker 1: where are we? And Amarro's like Atlanta Fidelity, which is
Speaker 1: the company with the insurance policy, they won't talk to us.
Speaker 1: Amanda got the policy from her sister and then gave.
Speaker 4: It to IAB, like the one copy. Kragan's like, here
Speaker 4: the dams criminal.
Speaker 2: I want to watch a series of just people getting
Speaker 2: caught from life insurance.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like it's the obvious.
Speaker 1: It's like, there's no more I unless the weapons on
Speaker 1: your hand and there's blood on your pants, Like a
Speaker 1: life insurance policy is the next best.
Speaker 4: That's the murder weapon. Yeah, like that might as well
Speaker 4: be it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you want to do that, you better plan
Speaker 2: ten years ahead. It needs to be a normal calm
Speaker 2: policy that compound over time.
Speaker 4: And you don't. And you're so right.
Speaker 1: If you wait ten years for the murder, you bide
Speaker 1: your time, then you get your money even seven. I like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's always months. Yea's always months. They can't for the
Speaker 1: vacations booked. It's like they book the vacation, they he
Speaker 1: books the policy. He pushes her off a cliff.
Speaker 2: He goes to jail, and there's one forensic files where
Speaker 2: there's like truly photos in the film camera that like
Speaker 2: proof the push of off the cliff. I'm sure there's
Speaker 2: listeners that have seen this episode.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, So Craigan is like, I did tell that
Speaker 1: dumb bitch not to go there without a lawyer, and
Speaker 1: Benson's like, we all did, but we're way past that now.
Speaker 1: And they're like, does anybody here think that Amanda actually
Speaker 1: knew about this policy? No one does, So why would
Speaker 1: Kim do it to protect yourself and the baby if
Speaker 1: anything happened to Jeff, or to make something happen to Jeff.
Speaker 1: They say she called Jeff four times after she got
Speaker 1: to New York City. The last call was two hours
Speaker 1: before he got shot, so like no even thought about this,
Speaker 1: Like she lures him up to the apartment, knows he's armed,
Speaker 1: cries rape, and essentially stages death by cop and then
Speaker 1: eventually and then realizes in the fine print that it
Speaker 1: can't happen in the commission of a felony and is
Speaker 1: trying to now backpedal on all of the folonious things
Speaker 1: he was doing. So Amaro's like, I mean, we've all
Speaker 1: met this girl. She's no criminal mastermind Bence, and he
Speaker 1: goes yes, she's like and Benson goes crazy like this
Speaker 1: is basically like, don't underestimate an insane woman, okay, And
Speaker 1: so yeah, they're like she's gone to IAB because she
Speaker 1: realized she's she's not gonna get paid out and that's
Speaker 1: why she would through the rape accusation and why Amanda
Speaker 1: went to jail.
Speaker 4: So they've all figured it out.
Speaker 1: Seems like it took three seconds of putting their heads together.
Speaker 1: In court, the prosecution wants remand has she asks for
Speaker 1: ro R. He's like, she's poor, she's a cop, she
Speaker 1: has no means to flee. Take her passport, like she's
Speaker 1: not going to go anywhere. The judge like is like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll split the difference two hundred and fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 1: bail and which I believe is like a twenty five
Speaker 1: K bond, isn't it like ten percent?
Speaker 4: And but Rollins looks like she's about to throw up.
Speaker 1: She's like, that's how much I owe to get, like
Speaker 1: to degenerates in Attica right now. She's like how she
Speaker 1: goes take that as a win. And Amanda looks like
Speaker 1: she's gonna throw up. She's like, I don't have twenty
Speaker 1: five k. And Craigan and Fin walk up and go
Speaker 1: it's taken care of. Craigan says that, and he basically goes,
Speaker 1: don't jump bail or we're all going to be living
Speaker 1: with Finn. So I feel like that means Craigan put
Speaker 1: his house.
Speaker 4: Up for her. Nope, it brings a tear to my eye.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they all did stand by his ass during
Speaker 1: Carissa Gibson, which, by the way, more echoes of that
Speaker 1: to come.
Speaker 2: And it's in Benson's words, it's the biggest gang in
Speaker 2: New York, you know, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Truly, truly they are.
Speaker 1: So Amanda's getting her shit leaving jail, thanking Craigan. He's saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: please don't jump bail haw She tells Amanda that you can't.
Speaker 2: She's not even trustworthy, Like that's the thing. They actually
Speaker 2: are risking everything because she is not a trustworthy person.
Speaker 1: Yes, And Hushi tells Amanda because Amana was like, I
Speaker 1: gotta go find my sister. And he's like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no, under no circumstances can you contact talk to
Speaker 1: your sister in any way, like not even a text,
Speaker 1: bitch like don't and uh, Rollins goes, she just wants
Speaker 1: the insurance money. She's like a little girl. And they
Speaker 1: tell her, your sister set you up. She's cooperating with
Speaker 1: IAB and if you get in touch with her, they
Speaker 1: will slap you with coercion witness tempering charges Like do
Speaker 1: not do this. Craigan goes, I know this is painful,
Speaker 1: but she is not your sister anymore. And that's that's tough.
Speaker 1: That's tough to hear. So now Kim is in a
Speaker 1: hotel room and just like living it up at this
Speaker 1: little hotel room, ordering room service or delivery, when her
Speaker 1: sister is like rotting in jail to the best of
Speaker 1: her knowledge, and there's a knock at the door. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, please don't be Amanda, Please don't be Amanda.
Speaker 1: It's Amanda. She pushes her way in and goes, we
Speaker 1: need some sister time, me and you, and she's like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Amanda, and she goes, you're sorry you put
Speaker 1: me in jail. And Kim admits to telling Jeff to
Speaker 1: come to New York City and she's like, you set
Speaker 1: Jeff up. You wanted me to kill him. And she's
Speaker 1: like he was a badman, Amanda.
Speaker 4: He beat me.
Speaker 1: He was hurting me when you walked in. And then
Speaker 1: she goes, you know what your problem is, Amanda. You're
Speaker 1: too big for your breitches. You think you're.
Speaker 4: Better than us.
Speaker 1: Mammy used to say that all that ambition would get
Speaker 1: you in trouble one day. And I'm like, this is
Speaker 1: where the title comes from. Deadly ambition, like Rowlin's ambition
Speaker 1: to be a detective in like first in the Atlanta
Speaker 1: p D. Then like it's not like she's like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be president, I'm going to be a CEO. Like
Speaker 1: she's like, I just want to be a cop and
Speaker 1: like solve crimes. I guess too much ambition for that
Speaker 1: weird family. But anyway, she says to Kim, are you
Speaker 1: ev pregnant? And Kim goes, how can you ask me that?
Speaker 1: And Amanda goes to walk out, and then she goes, well,
Speaker 1: I thought I was pregnant. I was a week late.
Speaker 1: I wrote in mind. I just wrote this, bitch, Like,
Speaker 1: are you kidding? Amanda is spiraling, like all of this
Speaker 1: has been like with the background thought of a baby
Speaker 1: coming into this world to this abusive man never was.
Speaker 4: It was a late period.
Speaker 1: And so now Amanda shows up at doctor Olivet's office
Speaker 1: and you know, she said, I'll sleep when I have
Speaker 1: my gun. I'm gonna be fine. Now she's feeling the anxiety.
Speaker 1: She's like, tells doctor olive She's like, doctor Olivet's like,
Speaker 1: I have a patient.
Speaker 4: What's up?
Speaker 1: And she goes, my sister set me up, and you
Speaker 1: said I should call you if I felt anxiety. She's like, okay,
Speaker 1: well we can set up an appointment. But like, side note,
Speaker 1: I do work for the NYPD.
Speaker 4: So I can.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can recommend someone outside the department. And Amanda's like, oh, right,
Speaker 1: got it. I guess when you said call me, you
Speaker 1: didn't mean show up unannounced. But also, is that like
Speaker 1: the way it is like if the NYPD pays for
Speaker 1: your psychical anything you say is public knowledge to them,
Speaker 1: Like if you say it's wrong, yeah yeah, like HR,
Speaker 1: they're the HR. It's like, but it feels like.
Speaker 4: It's against client, like doctor client.
Speaker 1: Like if you say, oh, yeah, I'm having suicidal thoughts,
Speaker 1: they tell that and then you lose your job. Like
Speaker 1: I don't know someone right in, I don't know, why
Speaker 1: would anybody go to these these doctors.
Speaker 4: It's that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Anyway, they don't actually want them to be well. So
Speaker 2: it's like saying, whatever, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: That just didn't feel like that's necessarily what Huang always
Speaker 1: would have done.
Speaker 2: But anyway, well but Huang worked for the FBI. FBI,
Speaker 2: he could do whatever the fuck he wants.
Speaker 4: That's that.
Speaker 1: Yep, that's not on that not an NYPD employee. But yes,
Speaker 1: all of that's a real one. She fucking warns her.
Speaker 1: Amanda leaves, so now outside the precinct, Kim approaches Amorrow
Speaker 1: by the row of cop cars. This is exactly Carissa
Speaker 1: Gibson coded. This is exactly what happens when Cariissa Gibson
Speaker 1: goes up to Amorrow and is like Detective Lauro, I'm scared,
Speaker 1: and she does the exact same.
Speaker 4: Thing we talked to him on Zoom.
Speaker 1: I can't blame any of these women, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I know they're all like, if I can
Speaker 1: get this guy outside in front of a bunch of
Speaker 1: cop cars, I can try to.
Speaker 4: Fuck him and maybe he'll help me, Like that is
Speaker 4: what people think.
Speaker 1: And he's and he's he loves it. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: he's like he's doing it. And Kim's like, I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's not me, it's Tucker. He's twisting everything I say.
Speaker 1: And Marrow's like, I can't talk to you, and Kim's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: nobody can. Victim Victim victim like, and Tomorrow is like
Speaker 1: have you been eating?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 1: So then hard cut to a nice white tablecloth restaurant
Speaker 1: where Kim is ordering the lobster wild the number of
Speaker 1: meals this girl has squeezed out in this episode, and
Speaker 1: now she's like, I'll have the surf and turf, just whatever,
Speaker 1: the most expensive, what's the market catch, Like, I'll have that.
Speaker 1: Amar apologizes, he's like on his phone, He's like, sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm texting my daughter, and she's like, you're such a
Speaker 1: good Dad, and then she's like, did you hear I
Speaker 1: lost the baby? Like she's diabolical, and then he goes, oh, no,
Speaker 1: I hadn't heard that because iaby told us not to
Speaker 1: talk to your sister, so we haven't talked to Amanda.
Speaker 1: And then she's like feigning all this concern for Amanda,
Speaker 1: telling Tomorrow, Wow, you can tell I really love my sister.
Speaker 4: You're such a good detective.
Speaker 1: And then she negs him and goes, my sister underestimated
Speaker 1: you and then starts talking about how Amanda always thinks
Speaker 1: she's the smartest person in the room, like whatever, and
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, that's why I don't get how she
Speaker 1: got herself into this situation, Like she's pretty smart, she
Speaker 1: wouldn't take out a insurance Also, are you allowed to
Speaker 1: just take out an insurance policy on anyone?
Speaker 4: Can I take one out on you?
Speaker 2: Like you could do whatever you want, because Vicky Gunwolson
Speaker 2: tells people to get stuff on their exes, like she
Speaker 2: still has a life insurance policy on Dawn. But Vick
Speaker 2: is like, like a terrible person, So like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: So if you pay into it, you get the money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when oh that's crazy, I thought I mean, I thought
Speaker 1: I wonder relation, like, can I just take one out
Speaker 1: on anybody? Yeah? Right, it is kind of great because
Speaker 1: like Rollins is not this man's sister in law or anything.
Speaker 1: So anyway back to this deranged date between Amorrow and
Speaker 1: Kim where and He's like, yeah, like, how could she
Speaker 1: be so stupid if she's the smartest person in the room,
Speaker 1: like or even though she's saying that's what she thinks
Speaker 1: about herself, like she is smart. I don't get this,
Speaker 1: And dumb ass Kim is like, well, after I found
Speaker 1: out about that felony clause, I kept telling her just
Speaker 1: say the shooting was an accident, then we both could
Speaker 1: have been rich. And Amara's like, so you were looking
Speaker 1: out for her and that's why you put her name
Speaker 1: on the insurance policy. She goes yeah, like it would
Speaker 1: look bad if it was just my name on it.
Speaker 1: So plus she's got gambling debts. This bitch is airing
Speaker 1: her sister out so hard she doesn't even care. And
Speaker 1: Amara's like, but right now it looks like she just
Speaker 1: came in and shot Jeff in cold blood.
Speaker 4: But you said he had a gun. He did.
Speaker 1: That's why I feel like this is like something that
Speaker 1: got edited out or something like, why are they acting
Speaker 1: like the gun was not found at the scene. I
Speaker 1: saw the gun with my own eyes. Well, I've been
Speaker 1: gaslating you too, saying the gun wasn't there. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: I saw pick up the gun. Unless it's like, but
Speaker 1: then they should have gone back and gone. It was
Speaker 1: actually a fucking like tell me that it's a stapler
Speaker 1: or something like that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So anyway, she goes, he did have a gun.
Speaker 1: I didn't want her to get shot, and then mamar goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: you just wanted Jeff gone, and she goes, yeah, he
Speaker 1: was a bad man, and Amanda only knew the half
Speaker 1: of what he did to me, Like, and I actually
Speaker 1: believe her there. That's maybe the one sentence she said
Speaker 1: the entire time that I believe that this guy was
Speaker 1: worse to her than Amanda even knew. And cut to
Speaker 1: Amorrow's phone, which we've seen sitting on the table the
Speaker 1: entire time at dinner, now playing a recording of this conversation.
Speaker 1: And oh, bitch, I hope you enjoyed that lobster because
Speaker 1: that was your last meal, honey.
Speaker 4: And Amanda's sitting there, let's write I'm glad he got
Speaker 4: to write it off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I'm glad he wasn't paying for that. It's
Speaker 1: like Zara has to you know, Zara Ani's clothes. So
Speaker 1: it's Amorrow, it's Hushi Horowitz, it's Tucker, and Amanda's like
Speaker 1: sitting there and they're all kind of surrounding her. Tucker's like,
Speaker 1: if this recording checks out, we'll be dropping the charges
Speaker 1: against you and pursuing your sister. And Amanda's like still
Speaker 1: sticking up for her. She's like, but you can see here,
Speaker 1: right on this tape. You can hear her talking about
Speaker 1: the abuse, like it's right on the tape. And Tucker's like,
Speaker 1: we're going after her for murder, and Amanda's like, I
Speaker 1: don't want that. She's still my sister. And they're kind
Speaker 1: of like sorry, and she's crying. She starts crying, and
Speaker 1: this is really like I feel like I can count
Speaker 1: on my hands how many times I've seen Rawlins like
Speaker 1: really cry, and this is one of the times.
Speaker 4: And it's it's tough to watch.
Speaker 1: So now we cut to iab dudes at the hotel
Speaker 1: going to pick up Kim and knock knock no one's home.
Speaker 2: And is there an apology from Tucker. Is there a
Speaker 2: my bad.
Speaker 4: No, never, Tucker doesn't do that shit.
Speaker 1: But they knock knock on her little hotel room and
Speaker 1: no one's home.
Speaker 4: She's cleared out.
Speaker 1: Amanda gets to her place and it's been completely cleaned out.
Speaker 4: I've never telling I don't know how she did that.
Speaker 1: One ice cube tray in the freezer. It's a little ridiculous.
Speaker 1: What was she craigslisting furniture, like saying get here in
Speaker 1: an hour.
Speaker 4: She rented a U haul and put the dishes she
Speaker 4: needed the dishes, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that takes a long time to be an apartment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like there was.
Speaker 1: It would have made more sense if like she came
Speaker 1: home and it was ransacked and like her TV was
Speaker 1: gone and a couple of expensive things.
Speaker 4: But like it's there's nothing there about her blinds.
Speaker 1: What that's like atom ends Like yeah, like every throat
Speaker 1: pillow from the couch, Like this is insane. And there's
Speaker 1: a note on the floor that says, I helped myself
Speaker 1: to some things.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I love you, Amanda.
Speaker 1: Even that note is fucking bitchy and like gas lady,
Speaker 1: even the note is like sarcastic and obnoxious and then
Speaker 1: going and then apologizing, and then saying I love you.
Speaker 1: None of the things, none of the second two sentences
Speaker 1: are true. I think I don't think you're sorry. I
Speaker 1: don't think you really love your sister. And then Amanda
Speaker 1: just starts crying again. And that's stick wolf and it's
Speaker 1: real Tome.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and as we know, you know, she's on the
Speaker 4: lamb for a long.
Speaker 1: Time until the flute episode, like like Kim is in
Speaker 1: the wind until the flood episode. So even she's a
Speaker 1: dumb ass, she sticks around New York, it's like, get
Speaker 1: out of there. You know, your sister's whole fucking squad's
Speaker 1: gonna have their eyes open for you. So stupid. I mean,
Speaker 1: they were right, she is too dumb. She's not a
Speaker 1: criminal mastermind. Yeah, but I'm excited to hear about this
Speaker 1: case because I don't know, I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2: So this is the Tracy Robertson case. We're talking Texas
Speaker 2: two thousand and six. Darryl Roberson comes home from a
Speaker 2: late night card game on December eleventh, sometime after midnight,
Speaker 2: in the morning hours of the night. So she told
Speaker 2: her husband she's gonna just take a bath. But then
Speaker 2: he tried calling her and there was just no answer,
Speaker 2: and it's because she was outside.
Speaker 4: But he didn't know that.
Speaker 2: No one's answering any of the phones, his daughter's cell phones,
Speaker 2: the wife's cell phone. He tried calling for a half
Speaker 2: hour between one thirty eight am and two twelve am,
Speaker 2: and he became concerned. He finally got his seven year
Speaker 2: old daughter Jr. On the line at two twelve am,
Speaker 2: and she tells Darryl that she can't find her mom
Speaker 2: in the house. So he drives to the house and
Speaker 2: while talking to his daughter on the phone the whole time,
Speaker 2: he's like locked the front door, and so he comes
Speaker 2: home early. He couldn't because he gets he couldn't get
Speaker 2: a hold of her, so he would have been playing
Speaker 2: cards later. This is like his game night, but he
Speaker 2: got scared. So then he finds his wife with another man,
Speaker 2: Devin LaSalle, in a pickup truck in the driveway and
Speaker 2: I guess, you know, like her titty was in his mouth.
Speaker 4: So that's what the article said. I didn't put it in,
Speaker 4: but it is. It was one of those.
Speaker 1: She was very very she was wearing very little clothing.
Speaker 1: She was with her lover.
Speaker 2: She said she was being raped though, So her husband
Speaker 2: fired four shots into the truck as Devin Lesal drove off,
Speaker 2: and he did kill him.
Speaker 4: So Devin is dead now.
Speaker 2: He was driving off because I guess people knew a
Speaker 2: core to court documents from the appeal attempts that he
Speaker 2: was known to have a very very violent temper and
Speaker 2: that even when he realized, like when he realized what
Speaker 2: was happening, he was like, oh shit, Darryl, like he
Speaker 2: knew he had to get the fuck out of there,
Speaker 2: shifted to reverse to back up, like he knew that
Speaker 2: this guy was probably you know, had a gun and
Speaker 2: had a temper. A witness, William Carlyle to ABC News,
Speaker 2: said that the man ran up to the truck through
Speaker 2: the driver's window. The fact that there's names are Darryl
Speaker 2: and Devin is like kind of fucked up. It's very
Speaker 2: hard for me and I need everyone to know that. So,
Speaker 2: so this is Darryl. The husband runs up to the
Speaker 2: truck through This is from a witness, to the driver's
Speaker 2: window and just shot and emptied the clip right into
Speaker 2: the man point blank. Some investigators say that Darryl screamed
Speaker 2: for her to get out of the truck and accused
Speaker 2: her of cheating on him after he already shot the man.
Speaker 2: On the stand, she admitted that they'd been having an
Speaker 2: affair for two months, and she also said on the
Speaker 2: stand that she was a battered woman in a marriage
Speaker 2: with her high school sweetheart who sucked, and that Devin
Speaker 2: was hot and young and flirty. And relatives of Robertson
Speaker 2: testified that she was in an abusive and controlling marriage
Speaker 2: and gave examples of previous abuse, including an incident where
Speaker 2: he pulled a gun on her during an argument fifteen
Speaker 2: years prior. So this isn't like a great guy. So
Speaker 2: prosecutors said that she yelled out for help and cried rape.
Speaker 2: So that and that is what happened. So and in
Speaker 2: court documents everyone agrees on that she she screamed rape
Speaker 2: before he started to shoot. Daryl was arrested and charged
Speaker 2: with murder, but then those charges were dropped and a
Speaker 2: grand jury indicted Tracy instead.
Speaker 4: And yeah, and that she just.
Speaker 1: Wanted her She just wanted her shitty husband to go
Speaker 1: to jail and didn't care if he killed her boyfriend.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think she was scared that
Speaker 2: she just got caught cheating and started screaming rape to
Speaker 2: make up for it reminds me of the Chloe sevenya.
Speaker 4: Episode is wow maybe at all?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: Is that one? Or am I thinking there's one with
Speaker 4: the other one that mother, isn't it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And the other one it's like a mom and the
Speaker 1: card it's a mother one and then the son kills
Speaker 1: his friend.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah. Not the Chloe seven yea. My bad.
Speaker 2: Also, that one has Valentine's Day in the title, and
Speaker 2: the Rihanna one has like funny like funny value yea.
Speaker 2: And that really fucks me up as well, because I
Speaker 2: don't like watching the Rihanna one. Yeah, that one sucks,
Speaker 2: and not to compare traumas, but I love watching Chloe
Speaker 2: seven ye So yeah, do anything, Okay, Darryl, So Daryl
Speaker 2: was accused, they were like fuck that and this is
Speaker 2: so Texas, Like okay, fine, like add charges to her
Speaker 2: for sure. She caused like you know, like if you're
Speaker 2: screaming rape and you know your husband loves guns, but
Speaker 2: like the shooter should still also be charged with mans
Speaker 2: Like what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: You shot a man four times? Like I can't believe it.
Speaker 2: And the detective dishco I couldn't find his first name,
Speaker 2: but in court papers it states that he testified that
Speaker 2: according to the nine to one to one call recording,
Speaker 2: it did not appear that Daryl believed that Lasal was
Speaker 2: attempting to rape the tracy and testified that he thought
Speaker 2: that Daryl was just a jealous man. And then Barry
Speaker 2: Dickie forensic analysist, did I say that wrong? Analysts analysish,
Speaker 2: my god, it's so loud. Okay, the very Dickie forensic
Speaker 2: analysts testified that he did not appear to be collaborating
Speaker 2: or colluding with one another during the call, but they
Speaker 2: were arguing during the first five minutes of the call.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: She had a three day trial and defense attorneys called
Speaker 2: no witnesses, but did blame the death on Daryl's jealousy
Speaker 2: and rage. Prosecutors put it all on her improved the
Speaker 2: affair that she was having with LaSalle, and even a
Speaker 2: text message that invited him over to the house that night.
Speaker 2: So one text, which was State Exhibits fifty seven, said yes,
Speaker 2: please only one request in all caps, come on my
Speaker 2: back and let it flow into my butt exclamation point,
Speaker 2: and then please in all caps.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, stop is that merch.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I think I want to make only
Speaker 1: one request, babe, aim higher, Like you can ask for
Speaker 1: a couple of different things. When you're hooking up with someone,
Speaker 1: your only request is that he is, that he don't
Speaker 1: kink shame her. That's her only request. She's like, all
Speaker 1: I need is for you just shoot it on my
Speaker 1: bag and let it drip down. Oh my god, Wow,
Speaker 1: caps that I'm making.
Speaker 2: I'm definitely making a necklace with the first letter of
Speaker 2: every word.
Speaker 4: That a perfect friendship, buthlet only one rick.
Speaker 2: But also, rape can happen even if you invite someone
Speaker 2: over to compet you, you know what I mean, So
Speaker 2: like that's also a thing that is real. On the stand,
Speaker 2: she did say they had only had two sexual encounters.
Speaker 2: They flirted a bunch at Walmart and then at school
Speaker 2: pick up for a while. But the dude who did
Speaker 2: the shooting again, I already said this should have gone
Speaker 2: in trouble.
Speaker 4: It's weird.
Speaker 2: But again, it's Texas and they just saw him as
Speaker 2: a protective husband. But even if it was rape, someone
Speaker 2: was dead, Like you still have to like go to
Speaker 2: court and say with self defense, like or enraged or
Speaker 2: I was this or that, like to fully not even
Speaker 2: any charges.
Speaker 4: To me, is wild.
Speaker 1: I think it's justifiable homicide if you kill someone while
Speaker 1: they're committing a felony, like as you you're like, I
Speaker 1: was protecting someone.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I mean, especially in Texas.
Speaker 2: But they saw her as setting the killing in motion
Speaker 2: with a false accusation, and yeah, it's isn't able to fire,
Speaker 2: so justified to shoot to kill the defend. Just what
Speaker 2: Kara said. So she was convicted of manslaughter in two
Speaker 2: thousand and eight. Some reports say involuntary, but all the
Speaker 2: court documents just say manslaughter.
Speaker 4: So it is what it is.
Speaker 2: Manslaughter means someone recklessly causes the death of an individual,
Speaker 2: which also means they were aware of the substantial and
Speaker 2: unjustifiable risk that the circumstances exist or the result will occur,
Speaker 2: and disregarded them.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is, like drunk driving, Like
Speaker 1: when you drive drunk, it's like you know you could
Speaker 1: hurt someone and you don't like like.
Speaker 4: Her screaming rape, she was whatever.
Speaker 2: She could have been scared either way, I don't know,
Speaker 2: but like, yeah, I think she should have gotten charged,
Speaker 2: but so should of him.
Speaker 1: I mean, because she was thinking fast, going Oh my God,
Speaker 1: my husband's gonna kill me, like and so she just
Speaker 1: so even if she made that up, did she have
Speaker 1: a reasonable expectation that he was going to be murdered?
Speaker 1: Did she know her husband had the gun on him? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I think, I mean he's pulled a gun on
Speaker 1: her before. Like I think he's a gun totally. I
Speaker 1: mean he's driving with a gun, wasted from poker night. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like her defense should have just been like, this is
Speaker 1: a man with a pattern of abuse towards her, and
Speaker 1: she would either he died, my boyfriend died, or I die.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's just like, oh my god, where the
Speaker 2: fuck is my wife? Could have been the vibe or
Speaker 2: it could have been like, oh no, what's my kids
Speaker 2: are alone? And I can't my wife's like what happens?
Speaker 2: So it's like, yeah, we really just don't know. I
Speaker 2: don't know it.
Speaker 1: Would I mean, I'd have to like fucking read the transcripts.
Speaker 4: I guess, Okay, some more about Manstortter.
Speaker 2: There's so the front criminal responsible if the result would
Speaker 2: not have occurred but for this conduct. But what I
Speaker 2: say is my legally blonde el Woods in class moment.
Speaker 2: Can they prove that the man wouldn't have shot him
Speaker 2: from being just jealous, Like you can't prove that, Like
Speaker 2: you can't prove that the rape led to the shooting.
Speaker 2: He could have been in a jealous rage right by
Speaker 2: multiple witnesses. Yes, I don't think you can prove that
Speaker 2: he wouldn't have shot him without it considering.
Speaker 4: A reasonable doubt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that all these witnesses said that he was a rageful,
Speaker 2: jealous guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Devin LaSalle's son Kendall took the stand and it was
Speaker 2: really sad obviously, and the Stephen sadder. So that Sunday,
Speaker 2: him and his son went to an NFL game, the
Speaker 2: Cowboys versus the Saints, and he got an autograph Jersey
Speaker 2: and his dad like cried that day from joy and happiness,
Speaker 2: and like him and his son cried from this like
Speaker 2: amazing day they had at a football game and then
Speaker 2: he was shot just like hours later into the night.
Speaker 2: Damn and Robertson thirty seven. That Tracy Robertson thirty seven.
Speaker 2: At the time of the court case, she cried when
Speaker 2: the verdict was announced. She faced two to twenty years
Speaker 2: in prison. She was sentenced to five years. They stayed
Speaker 2: together though, and Darryl's quoted an ABC seven News saying
Speaker 2: he's never even considered divorce and wishes he could take
Speaker 2: his wife's place in prison because as a man, you
Speaker 2: hate to see your wife hurt.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I mean, they love each other. I
Speaker 1: guess I don't fucking know.
Speaker 2: But it's kind of like the guy in the escape
Speaker 2: at Dan Mora Patricia Arcat situation. You know, sometimes if
Speaker 2: some people are right or die, like yeah it. She
Speaker 2: tried to appeal that was denied on like really quickly.
Speaker 2: August fifth, twenty ten. Legal experts at the University of
Speaker 2: Texas at Austin and Texas Wesleyan University have said they'd
Speaker 2: never heard of a woman being indicted on manslaughter for
Speaker 2: making false claims that led to homicide, But they said
Speaker 2: the legal theory appeared to be sound, and the husband
Speaker 2: was entitled to defend his wife if he thought she
Speaker 2: was being harmed. And that's a direct quote from something
Speaker 2: called Star Telegram. I mean, I wonder if she was
Speaker 2: trying to plan this in any way, but.
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't think, really don't. I think.
Speaker 2: I think honestly, she went to Walmart a bunch they
Speaker 2: would meet up in the parking lot. He was like
Speaker 2: probably like hot and flirty. She loved the attention. They
Speaker 2: hooked up and then this was their second hookup, and
Speaker 2: the guy like, okay, damn, damn because they talk about
Speaker 2: how autious that's a late ass card game till two
Speaker 2: in the morning.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I get it, I get it. But he came home early.
Speaker 2: He would have stayed out late. He was just checking in,
Speaker 2: you know. It seemed like I don't know, but he
Speaker 2: could have been a controlling person like we don't know anything.
Speaker 2: This is very gone girl. Okay, this is very gone girl.
Speaker 2: It can go either way. He could have been like,
Speaker 2: where the fuck is my wife? Yeah, motherfucker, you're trying
Speaker 2: to fuck you know. Or it could have been my
Speaker 2: daughter's alone at home. I'm checking in with my wife
Speaker 2: to see if I needed to come home. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: couldn't get a hold of her. I don't trust a man,
Speaker 2: and he has pulled a gun to her head, before,
Speaker 2: so sure, yeah, sure.
Speaker 1: I just feel like the defense could have presented like
Speaker 1: a whole pattern of abuse and that she was acting
Speaker 1: now of like her but not and maybe not in Texas,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: But also they can't prove that he wouldn't have shot
Speaker 2: the man without the rape thing, Like I don't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's whatever it is, what it is.
Speaker 1: There probably men on the story that thought, if my
Speaker 1: girl yells at that out, I'm killing a guy.
Speaker 2: I wonder who afforded better lawyers? Like who ran the
Speaker 2: Grand Jurt Like, we don't know any of that stuff either.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Well we have a great guest, so
Speaker 1: nobody move a muscle, will be right back. Our guest
Speaker 1: today is an actor and prolific audiobook narrator. She has
Speaker 1: been featured on such shows as Star Trek, The Next Generation,
Speaker 1: Judging Amy, and many others. But you know her for
Speaker 1: playing the iconic role of doctor Elizabeth Olive across multiple
Speaker 1: seasons and franchises of Law and Order, Looting, and most
Speaker 1: notably The Mothership, but also this gorgeous episode of SVU.
Speaker 1: Please enjoy our chat with the talented Carolyn McCormick.
Speaker 4: Hello, Hi, Carol, looking at you? Hello, Hello, so nice
Speaker 4: to meet you.
Speaker 7: You too, God, You guys got me looking back at
Speaker 7: old SVUS.
Speaker 2: Oh really, I just watched all of yours last night,
Speaker 2: back to back.
Speaker 4: Loved it.
Speaker 7: Did you see the one where I was pregnant because
Speaker 7: I didn't see that one.
Speaker 5: I did one in nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 4: Was that must have been season one or just look
Speaker 4: like one.
Speaker 7: It was season one and they were still shooting in
Speaker 7: New Jersey because the mothership, Law and Order was still.
Speaker 5: At Chelsea Pears.
Speaker 7: Oh okay so, and I was super pregnant, and I
Speaker 7: remember they had a really hard time shooting around my stomach.
Speaker 4: I couldn't tell it all. No, I just loved your
Speaker 4: little short haircut. It was like a I had.
Speaker 5: I had so many different haircuts I called all the whole,
Speaker 5: all the Law and Order. I called them a study
Speaker 5: in hairstyles.
Speaker 4: Yeah, went Marishka.
Speaker 1: Well, watching them all back to back, I also realized
Speaker 1: your character is such good jewelry, Like.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she does have nice jewelry.
Speaker 2: Like I wonder if she comes from month, Like I
Speaker 2: was like, damn, she has the best opals there were jays.
Speaker 5: And she has good clothes.
Speaker 7: My roommate from college is an actual therapist. And I
Speaker 7: used to call her all the time and ask her
Speaker 7: she's a psych psychologist And I would say.
Speaker 5: What does this term me?
Speaker 7: Blah blah blah, and she would say, I want to
Speaker 7: do your job.
Speaker 5: I want your wardrobe. I want your true she says,
Speaker 5: I do the real stuff, and you look so much
Speaker 5: better than I do.
Speaker 2: And then there was one episode I watched, but it's
Speaker 2: like Abuse in season two, but you're in a green
Speaker 2: turtle neck sweater and Marishka is in a brown one,
Speaker 2: and you just look like the cover of like a
Speaker 2: fall catalog.
Speaker 5: Yes, oh yeah, I think that was right after I
Speaker 5: had my baby.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Wait, so you obviously lawn Order original recipe icon there
Speaker 2: for a long time. So when you do these other ones,
Speaker 2: they just call you in right, you're not you know,
Speaker 2: they're like, you're coming out.
Speaker 7: They just asked me, but they don't ask me anymore.
Speaker 7: I think I'm too old.
Speaker 4: No, No, it's not that.
Speaker 1: It's like, I mean, your character just on SVU was
Speaker 1: like more the George Wong character, like what b D.
Speaker 1: Wong ends up being, right, So it's him for like
Speaker 1: so many seasons. And now they don't even really go
Speaker 1: into the psychology as much, which we miss, like we
Speaker 1: like they just it's not like they've replaced you with
Speaker 1: someone younger.
Speaker 4: They just kind of don't have that element as much,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I love the psychology of it. Yeah, you
Speaker 7: do to people who do those deviant crimes clearly have
Speaker 7: psychological issues that should be addressed. And I was just
Speaker 7: watching rewatching this morning, that Munchausen episode, which is such
Speaker 7: an interesting thing about debilitating your own child in order to.
Speaker 5: Keep them dependent, so disturbing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's and you get it out of that. She
Speaker 2: was so good, Dendre Taylor. Yeah a good, she was
Speaker 2: really good. But yeah, it's like that's when she felt
Speaker 2: safe and got attention, was when she was sick and
Speaker 2: not like figuring it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's like an addiction to like the
Speaker 1: pity and the yeah, the attention.
Speaker 2: But that's why we love this element of the show
Speaker 2: because it grounds it in reality, and we like that.
Speaker 4: We like to learn, learn the things.
Speaker 2: You also get to be on the stand a lot,
Speaker 2: which are those fun days at work or you're like, fucking,
Speaker 2: it's a lot of bang.
Speaker 7: Day because what they do they do this thing called
Speaker 7: block shooting, So they shoot over your shoulder, the camera's here,
Speaker 7: and they shoot the courtroom and all the extras so
Speaker 7: that they can let the extras go. Oh, so they'll
Speaker 7: shoot every person in the stand, not always, but most
Speaker 7: of the time. So you do your testimony off camera,
Speaker 7: maybe at eight in the morning, and the camera doesn't
Speaker 7: turn around until everyone has done their testimony, and then
Speaker 7: they let all the people go. So when you're in
Speaker 7: the stand six seven hours later, sometimes you're looking out
Speaker 7: to an empty courtroom except for the crew and the
Speaker 7: actress that speak.
Speaker 5: So it's very weird in terms of the reality of
Speaker 5: would you rather more people be there?
Speaker 7: No, it's just hard when you do your testimony off
Speaker 7: camera in the morning and then like seven hours later
Speaker 7: the camera's on you, and it's the same testimony of
Speaker 7: just trying to you know, and remembering like, oh, I
Speaker 7: look at the jury here, or oh I looked at
Speaker 7: the defense remembering what you did, Yeah, and remembering your
Speaker 7: lines because sometimes once you say them and then they're
Speaker 7: very flimsy sometimes, so it's like they start to disappear.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I did a lot of courtroom, a lot
Speaker 5: of courtroom.
Speaker 1: When you were like, I'm so curious about your regular
Speaker 1: Law and Order days and then coming over to SVU,
Speaker 1: like how did that feel?
Speaker 4: Like were you ever doing them?
Speaker 1: Were you doing like SVU mostly after Law and Order
Speaker 1: was done you or like were they intertwine like same time?
Speaker 7: I think that they were doing in the some of
Speaker 7: them were at the same time, the early ones because
Speaker 7: they were still in New Jersey because we had the
Speaker 7: Chelsea Piers set. And then when when that show is canceled,
Speaker 7: I don't know what I have it, probably somewhere, but
Speaker 7: then they they came in and took over the Chelsea
Speaker 7: Peers set, so they're back. But like nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 7: I was doing both and.
Speaker 2: You were doing Law Order up until O nine. It
Speaker 2: seems like now, yeah, I.
Speaker 7: Had Lawn Order all the way to the end, you know,
Speaker 7: not as often, you know, because I did leave for
Speaker 7: a while to do another series called Cracker, also about
Speaker 7: a psychiatrist. But the main thing I always noticed with
Speaker 7: SVU is they let the characters have personal lives.
Speaker 5: Where Dick was very clear.
Speaker 7: About the Mothership Law Order that he didn't want to
Speaker 7: get into the weeds with Ta going home with any
Speaker 7: of the characters, So like, you don't know if all
Speaker 7: of that comes from money. You don't know if she
Speaker 7: has a boyfriend or a girlfriend or anything, or kids.
Speaker 7: You never find out any of that information. Whereas it's
Speaker 7: interesting on SEU. You go home with them, you see
Speaker 7: where they live, you see their past, traumas, you see
Speaker 7: their kids, you see their personal life, which is much
Speaker 7: which he was very adamant about not getting into on
Speaker 7: the Mothership.
Speaker 2: So that means on Mothership you mostly talked to victims.
Speaker 7: It was super procedural in the sense that it really
Speaker 7: tried to define what is the crime and is there
Speaker 7: a law that defines the crime. So it was literally
Speaker 7: half hour of the cops and half.
Speaker 5: Hour of the courtroom lawyers. Yeah, So it was really
Speaker 5: specific law and order. There was no lead, really no
Speaker 5: call in.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and it dealt with you know, there isn't a
Speaker 7: law to meet every crime. You know, you some people
Speaker 7: get off just because there isn't a way to keep
Speaker 7: them in jail like you can. That's what made them
Speaker 7: the first to show the Mothership so good, I think,
Speaker 7: because so often the bad guy did get off just
Speaker 7: because there was no way to get them in prison.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Actually, what this episode we in our podcast we talk
Speaker 2: about the true crime episodes are based on, and it
Speaker 2: was in Texas and it was like because of the laws. Basically,
Speaker 2: a woman said the person she was having an affair
Speaker 2: with was raping her. So the husband killed that man,
Speaker 2: but the grand jury let him go because he has
Speaker 2: a right to defend himself.
Speaker 4: And only she served time for being the planner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's Texas, so you're allowed to shoot whoever
Speaker 2: the fuck you want, and she's Without her, it wouldn't
Speaker 2: have happened.
Speaker 4: So she's the only one who serves and it was
Speaker 4: a manslaughter.
Speaker 5: Charge and it's a woman.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, because I did an episode. I did a movie
Speaker 7: of the Week with Jacqueline Smith where she hires someone
Speaker 7: to the podcast Oh how she Yeah, she I played
Speaker 7: her sister and she goes to prison. She has a
Speaker 7: boyfriend who's a cop, her husband who's a cop, and
Speaker 7: he's bad. He beats her up, so she hires someone
Speaker 7: to kill her husband, and of course it all goes
Speaker 7: south and she gets found out. It's called the Donna
Speaker 7: Yaklich story and it's a true story.
Speaker 5: And this woman went.
Speaker 7: To prison because she hired this guy and even though
Speaker 7: she couldn't kill him herself and self defense, she wasn't
Speaker 7: strong enough and the cops didn't take her seriously because
Speaker 7: he was a cop.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so they kept letting him off. It was a really.
Speaker 7: Good Yeah, it was from a long time ago, but
Speaker 7: it's a good story because it's.
Speaker 5: True and it's really tragic.
Speaker 7: And I think Donna Yaclet is still in prison in
Speaker 7: Denver or Colorado, or she's not even alive anymore.
Speaker 5: I don't know, but.
Speaker 6: They are you based on this, we should do it.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, there should be, because it's a really good
Speaker 6: story because the woman has you're in the terrible situation
Speaker 6: because you're not strong enough to kill them yourself, so
Speaker 6: you hire someone or and the cops don't are going
Speaker 6: to do anything because he's their buddy.
Speaker 7: It was a really interesting story, but it was very
Speaker 7: you know, she obviously didn't.
Speaker 5: Know what she was doing.
Speaker 7: Your hearts on Yokol guy to commit the crime.
Speaker 1: And it sounds like Donna was released in October of
Speaker 1: two thousand and five.
Speaker 5: Oh very good, Carl. Thank you.
Speaker 4: I hope you're out there. I hope you're listening. I
Speaker 4: hope you're living life. I know.
Speaker 5: I hope you are living your life. I hope you're
Speaker 5: as gorgeous as Jacqueline Smith.
Speaker 4: Oh she's quite pretty, but not Jacqueline Smith level. I mean, jeez.
Speaker 1: I like I think it's fun because, like I watched
Speaker 1: a lot of her over in a Law and Order.
Speaker 1: But SVU was really like what became my like more
Speaker 1: obviously obsession. But I do sort of like when Jack
Speaker 1: McCoy pops in or Jerry Orbach pops in or you know, Olivet.
Speaker 1: Like so I think it's fun to kind of tie
Speaker 1: them together because they are in the same universe obviously.
Speaker 7: Well, you know, And I was thinking when I was
Speaker 7: watching today, I was looking at the episode where I
Speaker 7: don't know, it's one of the rapes and you know,
Speaker 7: olive gets raped on order, and I thought, oh, there
Speaker 7: should be an episode where Benson and Olivet talk about
Speaker 7: their their mutual experiences.
Speaker 4: Because I likely should, I know.
Speaker 7: I was watching it today and I thought, that's so
Speaker 7: funny that they never because I do love it when
Speaker 7: they bring in like a Pitha they'll bring in yeah,
Speaker 7: you know, they do a lot of those crossovers, and
Speaker 7: all of it has been on criminal Intent Trial by Jury. Yeah, SVU,
Speaker 7: I've done them all except for the Mobster one.
Speaker 1: No mean, actually, the Trial by Jury that you did
Speaker 1: is a arc. It's like a two parter with SVU, right,
Speaker 1: because you did one that was called Day and the
Speaker 1: SVU episode is called Night and Angela Lansbury. It's like
Speaker 1: Alfred Molina amazing episode.
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh I loved Alfred Molina. He was so fun.
Speaker 4: He seems really cool.
Speaker 5: He's just fun, like.
Speaker 7: You're with him and you just want to stay in
Speaker 7: the room and talk about whatever occurs to you.
Speaker 1: He was just fat and it was such a little weird,
Speaker 1: weird psycho in the show.
Speaker 4: But like in real life, Yeah, he has.
Speaker 5: Like Asperger's or something, right.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: You sort of think that, but then you're like, or
Speaker 1: does he just have like severe entitlement because is what
Speaker 1: mom has let him get away with anything he wants
Speaker 1: his entire life, like he's been assaulting staff members.
Speaker 4: With a murder. He was raping, murdering, throwing money on bodies.
Speaker 5: And Bradley Cooper's in that. Yeah, yeah, super cute.
Speaker 7: I remember thinking he wasn't a movie star yet, but
Speaker 7: I watched Alias and so I loved him from Aliens. Oh,
Speaker 7: and I remember I remember wanting to say, you know,
Speaker 7: you're so good, and I think I did say it
Speaker 7: because you know, why.
Speaker 2: Not he was He wasn't Bradley Cooper yet well, and
Speaker 2: I'm sure he was happy to get the compliment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but so cute.
Speaker 5: One of those people who you know how sometimes you
Speaker 5: meet people, their eyes just go. He had these eyes.
Speaker 5: I was like, wow, look at those eyes.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, definitely a generational hottie.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, completely.
Speaker 1: Wait when you had when your character is sexually assaulted,
Speaker 1: is it like on the show or is it just
Speaker 1: something in the backstory that they told someone from your
Speaker 1: past as well?
Speaker 7: Like no, no, no, it was what was the episode
Speaker 7: called my character?
Speaker 2: It was it happened best to get the guyna cologist,
Speaker 2: doctor Alex Rerett.
Speaker 5: He I think it was.
Speaker 7: Who was the actress? It was a really good actress.
Speaker 7: She's been raped and they won't They can't. I haven't
Speaker 7: seen it in so long. They can't bring him up
Speaker 7: on charges or find it any evidence.
Speaker 5: So I go in maybe helpless, that's what it's.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And I go in to the gynecologist and sort
Speaker 7: of see what will happen, and he drugs me and
Speaker 7: rapes me.
Speaker 5: And Paul Servino. So it was back during Paul Servina's era.
Speaker 4: They let you just go in there, like, no, no backup.
Speaker 5: I went in.
Speaker 7: No, they were upset with me because I went in
Speaker 7: doing my own little investigation. And then this happens, and
Speaker 7: then the cops go to pursue it.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 7: It was also during Michael Moriarty's time, so it's early.
Speaker 7: It must have been in like the first three or
Speaker 7: four seasons.
Speaker 1: I literally just found a breakdown of this character him
Speaker 1: on a Pure Evil Villains fandom site, literally just as pure.
Speaker 4: Evil on top of his sleeth.
Speaker 1: That was season three. I don't I can't believe. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I knew that.
Speaker 7: And I think Sarah Paulson was the nurse in the
Speaker 7: room with me who he gets her to leave the room.
Speaker 4: Well, Felicity Hoffman's in this episode.
Speaker 5: Tracy Flicity Huffman.
Speaker 7: That's just been right wife damn, and she I'm trying
Speaker 7: to help her out. I can't remember the details, but
Speaker 7: I do remember shooting it because I was on a
Speaker 7: guynological table and Paul Heckt had to the actor had
Speaker 7: to put on his little gloves, and I had my
Speaker 7: little feet in the stirrups, and he was so nervous,
Speaker 7: and I was so ready to just be let's just
Speaker 7: get this done and get out of here, and he,
Speaker 7: like at one point was supposed to really casually put
Speaker 7: on his little rubber gloves and he's being all calm
Speaker 7: like he's the doctor and he puts on the glove
Speaker 7: and his hand goes right through.
Speaker 8: The glove through My god, because he was clearly so
Speaker 8: tense about having to do this part, and I was
Speaker 8: just like, whatever, let's just get this over with us.
Speaker 5: I'm lying on my back. I forgot he drugs me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I forgot that. Sorvino is before or back right?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, ya all left to pursue his opera career.
Speaker 4: Wow do you think you read?
Speaker 5: And then? I don't know.
Speaker 7: I never saw him after that. We used to, I
Speaker 7: mean we'd see I saw him all the time when
Speaker 7: we were shooting. He was fun that he uh, I mean.
Speaker 4: It seems like he's still working. He's got one hundred
Speaker 4: and seventy six credits on IMDb.
Speaker 5: Paul, No, Paul is gone. Paul died.
Speaker 4: Oh he died. I'm so sorry. I didn't know that.
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry he died.
Speaker 5: Had a credit for a lot.
Speaker 1: Sorry, he was a credit from twenty twenty five, so
Speaker 1: I thought he was.
Speaker 7: Still like Paul Servino was in the episode. He was
Speaker 7: one of them, Chris Notath and Paul Servino and Michael BRIARTI.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that he was pre Orbach I forgot that he
Speaker 1: was like the pre Orboe because I always think of
Speaker 1: like Jerry and Chris Noath as kind of like the original.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, Paul was there.
Speaker 7: But Paul was only there I think like a year
Speaker 7: and a half. He left for mid season and the
Speaker 7: first guy that was partnered with Chris was George Zunza,
Speaker 7: and he just did one season, the first season, and
Speaker 7: he didn't want to stay.
Speaker 4: So who left to do opera? Paul Sorvino or Paul
Speaker 4: Paul Sorvino.
Speaker 5: Okay, Paul Sorvinot he was. He had a really good
Speaker 5: thing opera voice.
Speaker 7: Joe Sterne used to give Christmas parties and Paul would
Speaker 7: get on the little balcony at the house that Joe
Speaker 7: was renting and he was serenade us with.
Speaker 4: Christmas jo with Christmas songs. That's cute.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was fun.
Speaker 4: Wait, do you have any other kind of memories like that?
Speaker 2: More like Christmas parties, extracurricular away from the job fun memories.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 7: I got to be good friends with Jill Hennessy and
Speaker 7: she's quite the rock star. She writes her own music
Speaker 7: and I'm seeing her actually this Saturday. She does she
Speaker 7: has a concert at City Vineyard, and I give a
Speaker 7: Christmas party every year at my house and all my
Speaker 7: actor friends and my husband's actor friends. It gets to
Speaker 7: be like an enormous party. But Chris always comes, and
Speaker 7: a Patha and Jill, so the few of the people
Speaker 7: that and I see Sam every now and then I
Speaker 7: was friends with Michael Moriarty, but then he kind of
Speaker 7: disappeared into Canada and I don't know, I've lost track
Speaker 7: of him. Canada is huge, and I see Dan. Dan
Speaker 7: Floric and I did a play together. He directed it
Speaker 7: Love called Loreenes Whereabouts Larry Ketron play in the City.
Speaker 5: That was fun.
Speaker 2: He was our first cast member interview, so it was
Speaker 2: it's like very a big deal.
Speaker 5: He's fun. He's fun, he's game. He's one of those people.
Speaker 5: He's just game.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this, but last season
Speaker 1: they killed his character like he wasn't he wasn't recurring anymore.
Speaker 1: But he went back in and then they just opened
Speaker 1: the season at his funeral for no reason.
Speaker 4: You didn't need to do that. We could have brought
Speaker 4: him back once in a while.
Speaker 2: I could have been a random other funeral, Like I
Speaker 2: don't understand why I had to be him.
Speaker 5: I wonder if Dan didn't want to do it at all.
Speaker 1: No. I think it's like they wanted the publicity of
Speaker 1: saying a major cast member dies in the opening like episode.
Speaker 2: But because we always have hope that characters come back
Speaker 2: like tomorrow, like people come back, and so yeah, there,
Speaker 2: we don't like that. There now he can never come back.
Speaker 5: I like having them come back.
Speaker 2: Well now, I want you and Benson to have I
Speaker 2: want that because when she's had other traumas like a conference,
Speaker 2: you're like some sort of bottle episode.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Her therapist ends up being Bill Irwin, the actor who
Speaker 1: plays mister Noodle.
Speaker 4: I guess on Sesame Street.
Speaker 5: No, I know Bill. Yeah, he's great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's fine, he's great.
Speaker 1: But I think it makes more sense that Benson would
Speaker 1: go to a female psychologists psychiogist.
Speaker 7: And and Marishka and I had some scenes to we've
Speaker 7: done some episodes together, but not in a while. And
Speaker 7: oddly enough, the series I left Law in order to
Speaker 7: do was called Cracker, and Marishka was in the pilot.
Speaker 5: Oh really, and then they let her go for I.
Speaker 7: Have no idea why, because she's fabulous and then she
Speaker 7: glanded SVU.
Speaker 4: Everything happens for a reason. I guess that was.
Speaker 5: A good thing.
Speaker 7: But so Marishka and I, we didn't work together on Cracker,
Speaker 7: but you know we saw each.
Speaker 5: Other because she was in the same series as me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but she just.
Speaker 5: Did the pilot.
Speaker 2: According to IMDb, it seems like your first like series
Speaker 2: regular show was Spence Spencer for Higher, Spencer for Hire.
Speaker 5: So Robert Urick was that, like.
Speaker 2: Do you remember like booking that it being your first show?
Speaker 2: Like memories from that.
Speaker 7: I remember my agent wanting me not to do it
Speaker 7: because he wanted me to do film, and I was like,
Speaker 7: I don't know. I remember I didn't have to go
Speaker 7: to the network, which is really good because you don't
Speaker 7: the network. You know those network auditions, and I kept turning.
Speaker 7: He kept saying, no, she's not going to go to
Speaker 7: the network. She's not going to go to the network.
Speaker 7: And so they saw all these girls at the network
Speaker 7: and they said, no.
Speaker 5: We don't like I want her the woman who wouldn't
Speaker 5: come in.
Speaker 7: And so they cast me, and my agent just kept saying, well,
Speaker 7: you got to give her this, you got to give
Speaker 7: her this, and they I ended up getting a really
Speaker 7: good deal in that show, and I lived in Boston,
Speaker 7: which I loved because I'd gone to school in the East.
Speaker 5: I went to Williams in Massachusetts.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 5: I love going back. I would love being back on
Speaker 5: the East Coast.
Speaker 4: Yeah, where do you live? Do you live there? Where
Speaker 4: do you live now?
Speaker 5: I live in Manhattan.
Speaker 4: I live in New York.
Speaker 5: Then after that I went back.
Speaker 7: To LA And yeah, stayed in LA a little longer,
Speaker 7: but I always felt more like a New Yorker than
Speaker 7: a California girl.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: So I'm in California only when I'm working, Like whenever
Speaker 7: I do a pilot or a TV show, I've been
Speaker 7: there or a film.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Williams has like the that Williamstown like theater festival and.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and they're not connected at all, oddly enough, but
Speaker 7: it's the same place, right, same place.
Speaker 1: Just every place that I know who like went to
Speaker 1: Williams would always go back to, like go to that
Speaker 1: festival and like work at it or be in it,
Speaker 1: and you know it. Just when I was not connected
Speaker 1: but sort of connected, Well.
Speaker 5: It's connected.
Speaker 7: It's the same space. But I remember when I graduated
Speaker 7: and all my friends are leaving in my roommates and everyone,
Speaker 7: and I was working. I had been hired to be
Speaker 7: in the Greeks at the Williamstown Theater Festival. And suddenly
Speaker 7: I'm not leaving with all my classmates. I'm going back
Speaker 7: to my freshman dorm because that's where they put me
Speaker 7: to work the festival.
Speaker 5: And I thought.
Speaker 7: I remember lying in the bed and thinking, this does
Speaker 7: not feel like progress.
Speaker 4: Am I moving forwards?
Speaker 7: I should not still be at my college in my
Speaker 7: freshman dorm.
Speaker 4: So funny, way, your husband's in an SVU.
Speaker 5: Oh he's done a lot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's in an SVU.
Speaker 2: Compliance. Yeah, he's obviously done so much. I'm like looking
Speaker 2: at it right now. How'd you guys meet acting in
Speaker 2: a play?
Speaker 5: He's a big theater guy.
Speaker 7: Mostly we met doing a play in Our first play
Speaker 7: together was in nineteen eighty three at Act in San
Speaker 7: Francisco with my best friend Anette Benning. So it was me,
Speaker 7: Byron and Annette, and then I went back.
Speaker 4: I oh.
Speaker 7: Then I went off to do various things television and
Speaker 7: a movie and blah blah blah. And then in nineteen
Speaker 7: eighty seven we met up again in San Diego to
Speaker 7: do a Faedo farce at the Old Globe and that's
Speaker 7: when we got together. Oh and then he didn't want
Speaker 7: to live in LA because he's a theater guy, so
Speaker 7: we moved to New York and that ice and he
Speaker 7: does a.
Speaker 5: Lot of Broadway.
Speaker 1: And I recognized him as soon as I looked him up,
Speaker 1: and I mean he was He's in this episode where
Speaker 1: this guy is committing crimes because he's suffering from schizophrenia
Speaker 1: and they want to medicate him against his will. And
Speaker 1: I believe your husband is his lawyer in the episode. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's right.
Speaker 2: And then you do so much because we found out
Speaker 2: you're reading the Hunger Game books.
Speaker 4: You're the voice.
Speaker 7: I read the Hunger Game books long's that's before they
Speaker 7: were a sensation. Because and my older son is a
Speaker 7: voracious reader. They both love to read, but he really
Speaker 7: loves to read. And I remember getting basically the Galleries.
Speaker 7: I just got, you know, it's a big old binder
Speaker 7: with the book, and I reading it, and my son
Speaker 7: was obsessed with.
Speaker 5: Harry Potter books. So I thought, as I'm reading.
Speaker 7: It, oh, he's going to love this. So I gave
Speaker 7: him the I said, do you want to read this book?
Speaker 7: So he read it before it was even published and
Speaker 7: then the second time it came out. The second time
Speaker 7: it came out, they made me sign a waiver that
Speaker 7: I wouldn't share it with anyone, which I wasn't.
Speaker 5: I just gave it to my son in our house,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 7: But so I said okay, And so I told my son,
Speaker 7: I said, I have the second book. You want to
Speaker 7: read it, but you know, I had to sign something
Speaker 7: saying I wouldn't show it to anyone.
Speaker 5: And he goes, I don't want to read it then
Speaker 5: and get you in trouble. So I didn't read it.
Speaker 4: He was like twelve.
Speaker 7: But yeah, I did all three of those books. And
Speaker 7: then the movies came out, and then it became like
Speaker 7: but I knew.
Speaker 5: When I read it. I was like, this is gonna be.
Speaker 4: This's gonna be something. Yeah. Do you do a lot
Speaker 4: of books?
Speaker 7: I used to. I seemed I used to do a
Speaker 7: lot of things.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you have to do a lot. I used to a
Speaker 5: lot of James Patterson. I did a lot of Oh
Speaker 5: my god, Yeah, yeah, I've done I did a lot.
Speaker 7: I've done a lot. I've probably done fifteen. I mean,
Speaker 7: my website would have all the books I've done.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I love your website either it was like
Speaker 1: a residual thing or is that just a deal?
Speaker 4: That's yeah.
Speaker 1: I love your website. By the way, I looked at
Speaker 1: it before we came on. The pictures are so cute.
Speaker 1: You're like, so you just look really cute on your website.
Speaker 2: You know what we need our listeners to do. We
Speaker 2: need to have a Benson drawing. But of all of
Speaker 2: that's hairdoos throughout the day?
Speaker 4: Yes, right?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Well.
Speaker 7: I had really short hair at the beginning because I'd
Speaker 7: just done Saint Joones, so I'd cut all my hair
Speaker 7: off and then it grew out, and then I had
Speaker 7: babies and so I cut it off again and then
Speaker 7: it grows out and depending on some hair, people do
Speaker 7: big hair, and I tend to be wanting like not
Speaker 7: big hair.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: So but when I see episodes and like I can remember,
Speaker 7: like I know who did my hair that day?
Speaker 5: You know, And but it really is a study in hairstyles.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they're so of the time, a lot of them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the big hairs of the time.
Speaker 2: Anything else you want to mention before we go any
Speaker 2: stories or you know, final things.
Speaker 1: There also no pressure we can cut this fully.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know I am your go to snack
Speaker 5: Peanut Eminem's.
Speaker 4: Yes, good answer, the best.
Speaker 7: No one ever says that everything on Craft Service are
Speaker 7: things you would never have in your house because they're
Speaker 7: just not good to eat all the time. And I
Speaker 7: would if someone had peanut Eminem's in my house, I'd
Speaker 7: be eating them right now, like talking to you guys.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love peanut em so yeah.
Speaker 7: I can't think of anything else other than you know,
Speaker 7: all the people were so great and it was set
Speaker 7: what's really weird?
Speaker 5: I googled this when I was trying to find my
Speaker 5: SVU episodes and.
Speaker 7: It says that all the dead peaks all the people
Speaker 7: who've died on Law and Order, and it includes a patha.
Speaker 5: I just want someone.
Speaker 7: Out there to correct that, Yes, the Patha is not gone.
Speaker 5: No, there's some.
Speaker 4: Sight we'll try to find.
Speaker 5: I put I don't know.
Speaker 7: I put in like Carolyn McCormick on SVU episodes because
Speaker 7: I was trying to find to watch some of them
Speaker 7: so I had, you know, could remember because in my mind,
Speaker 7: it's like one really long episode of Law and Order.
Speaker 4: This is incredible.
Speaker 2: Thank you, No, we're we're really lucky that we get
Speaker 2: to talk to everybody.
Speaker 4: No, it's good, thank you for doing it.
Speaker 7: Nice that you guys love the show. Yeah, have you
Speaker 7: gotten Mariska to do it?
Speaker 4: Tried yet, She's.
Speaker 1: Kind of like our nice tea and ah, yeah, we're waiting.
Speaker 2: We're figuring it because it's also the right episode. I'm
Speaker 2: at the right time, you know. Yeah, there's no loss
Speaker 2: of talent that we can reach out to.
Speaker 4: So that's that's really good.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then our only repeat's been Neil Baar. Oh
Speaker 4: we had him on twice. Yeah, because he just had
Speaker 4: so much to say.
Speaker 5: A lot of stories. Oh that's good.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 5: I wish I could think of some more stories. I
Speaker 5: can't really think of it. I love Jerry Orbach though.
Speaker 5: Jerry was great.
Speaker 4: I love Jerry.
Speaker 5: Jerry was so good. And what I learned from Jerry
Speaker 5: was to learn everybody's name.
Speaker 7: He was so good, like everyone loved him, the actors,
Speaker 7: the crafty, the crew, the teamsters, they all because he
Speaker 7: treated everyone like they were kings. And I remember someone
Speaker 7: told me once one of his drivers, I was going.
Speaker 7: They picked me up one day to go to work
Speaker 7: and he drives Jerry and he was telling me how
Speaker 7: Jerry would say to him, come on, go, go.
Speaker 5: Go, and he'd be like, the light's ready goes.
Speaker 7: Look, you'll never get rear ended if you don't put
Speaker 7: on the brakes. So it was basically just telling him
Speaker 7: to just go, go go. But he was he was
Speaker 7: such a fun guy and he was another real theater guy.
Speaker 5: So Dick was really smart and getting the real you know,
Speaker 5: theater actors from.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean if I see a playbill and
Speaker 2: there's not a view, I'm like, what's going on here?
Speaker 4: Or at least one of the law and orders.
Speaker 2: But oh yeah, also during pandemic and one of the
Speaker 2: first shows back, and like we're hiring so many theater actors.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, no, that's good.
Speaker 4: He came for you so much, Marilyn. That was okay.
Speaker 4: It's so nice to meet you.
Speaker 1: Guys. Love hear we talked to all about I love her,
Speaker 1: you know, I love just an artsy family doing it up.
Speaker 4: I want an invite to that Christmas party.
Speaker 1: Yeah, living in New York, actor friends having a fun time.
Speaker 1: Love it, love it for them.
Speaker 2: Our trek baby. Well yeah, because that book I read
Speaker 2: was about like that kind of a show. I wonder
Speaker 2: what show was notorious, like the Battlestar Galactica about like
Speaker 2: what is the space shows? What's the best fun space show?
Speaker 2: Like if I wanted to watch a space show.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm Jared is a Star Trek guy, like
Speaker 1: he loves Star Trek. But then there's and Casey's nodding
Speaker 1: like I think Star Trek's the iconic and like there's
Speaker 1: different Right, there's Deep Space nine, there's Next Generation.
Speaker 2: Right, there's different Which one? Shout out? Which one do
Speaker 2: you think I would like?
Speaker 1: I think that Star Trek the Next Generation is like
Speaker 1: the funniest and horniest one. Okay, oh my.
Speaker 4: God, it's nineteen eighty seven. That's the year I was born.
Speaker 2: I do remember that guy, the like monstery looking guy,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember him from commercial.
Speaker 1: Wait, okay, I'm going to watch this. I think you're
Speaker 1: gonna see it. You're also going to see like a
Speaker 1: lot of random SVU people too. Okay, all right, let's see.
Speaker 1: It's on Pluto so I could get my hands Pluto.
Speaker 1: I do want to say something that happened at Union
Speaker 1: that was crazy. So I'm on stage, I'm doing whiplash.
Speaker 2: It's like on Saturday, in the middle of my set
Speaker 2: through the speakers, like I don't know what's happening at first,
Speaker 2: but we I soon realize that someone is playing like
Speaker 2: Candy Crush style game on their phone and it's coming
Speaker 2: through the audio of the speakers of the show.
Speaker 4: So you hear the.
Speaker 1: Like you're hearing a game being played, and the my
Speaker 1: MIC's not so it's like and people think it's like
Speaker 1: a bit, and I'm like, this isn't a bit, Like
Speaker 1: I don't do bits like this, like I like and so.
Speaker 4: It's crazy the sound.
Speaker 2: Everyone's running, they unplug everything, the MIC's unplug they plug
Speaker 2: the mic back in. The game stops, but then starts
Speaker 2: through the audio like an audio book of a World
Speaker 2: War two story, like so suddenly it's just a history
Speaker 2: books starts going through the speakers and.
Speaker 4: No one knows.
Speaker 2: It's like it's it was true pandemonium and then you know,
Speaker 2: I got I got through it and then finish my
Speaker 2: set and whatever. But it was really crazy, So if
Speaker 2: you were there, silly, but they didn't figure out, like no,
Speaker 2: and I.
Speaker 4: Said, I want to, I go, I don't care, but
Speaker 4: I need to get to the bottom of it. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna go. I'm a curious person and I'd like to
Speaker 4: know what's going.
Speaker 1: On here, because it's not like a random person can
Speaker 1: just like bluetooth into a speaker system, you know, like
Speaker 1: this must have been No. I told everyone they better
Speaker 1: or find the answer and find out what we get
Speaker 1: that we need to find the culprit. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: a tech person. It sounds like, okay, just to get
Speaker 1: back to our post mortem this episode.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's really hard to say because it feels as though
Speaker 1: this is basically the episode where we really start hating
Speaker 1: Amanda Rollins, Like this is where she's the worst. No,
Speaker 1: Kim Rollins needs to be in jail for at least
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen years, and that's what I believe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: although in the current universe she has a child that
Speaker 1: lives with the mom somewhere with Kim or something.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like she did have a kid with her
Speaker 1: lawyer maybe yeah, but Kim, but she was still in prison.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
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