1 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: This is a podcast called twenty five Whist. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 2: He was talking to Fall and they are whizz So yeah, 3 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 2: it's too bad, but what did you expect. 4 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: It's a podcast called twenty five Whist. 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 3: Souls Twyne, what's up? Everybody? Welcome to the show where 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 3: this one's gonna be cool because it's us with Steve 7 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 3: Young for an hour NFL Hall of Fame quarterback. 8 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 2: Uh. 9 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 3: Super nice guy. I met him, I guess a year 10 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 3: and a half maybe more than that now, met him 11 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 3: on a golf course and was nervous to go talk 12 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 3: to him and then want to talk to him and 13 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 3: he was like, oh, listen to your show and I 14 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 3: was like, yo, whatever, and then he like quoted back 15 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 3: a couple of segments and I was like, dang, that's crazy. 16 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,279 Speaker 3: Then I was talking about him on the show one 17 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 3: day a year later as like one of the top 18 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 3: five coolest people I've ever met. He happened to be listening. 19 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 3: He texted me and I was like, how'd you get 20 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 3: my number? And he was like, I called the golf 21 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 3: course and I was like that's cool. So then we 22 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 3: went to Oregon, and since we were a west already, 23 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 3: I was like, Hey, we're going to be out there. 24 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 3: Will you be around and he said, yeah, come on. 25 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 3: So we went to his office and he was in 26 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 3: the middle of working with us, and then he was 27 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 3: going to do like a maybe like a Dallas Cowboys 28 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 3: documentary on the championships they won. But we had We 29 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 3: flew into Polo Alto and we're with him for an hour. 30 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 3: Longer than that. He signed my football card. It was 31 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 3: a whole thing. It was super awesome. So we're just 32 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 3: going to play the interview as is because it's it's 33 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 3: an hour, right guys, close close, yeah, close to an hour. 34 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 3: So here he is, I'll shut up. Here is one 35 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 3: of the greats of all time left handed. I say 36 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 3: that because him and Boomerasison were the only two left 37 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 3: handed quarterback, because I would ever watch and be like, dang, 38 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 3: that's why I'm a quarterback. But then I wasn't after 39 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 3: like fourth grade. All right, here he is Steve Young. First, 40 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 3: I'd like to explain how I ended up here. I 41 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 3: was playing a golf tournament I was invited to. It 42 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 3: was it was super cool. 43 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: I was h end but high end golf, but I 44 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 2: was excited to just be invited elite golf tournament and me. 45 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 3: And so there's like seven people on a green and 46 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 3: I see somebody holding court and all the people are 47 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 3: like laughing, ha ha haa. This guy's holding court and 48 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 3: there's like a little crease and I see it's Steve 49 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 3: Young in the crease and everybody is listening to every word, 50 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 3: every breath he's saying. And I'm like, I love Steve Young. 51 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 3: I'm left handed. When I was a kid, I would 52 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 3: watch you play and think this is the roots. 53 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 2: I'm leaning closer now, yeah, this is the root because 54 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 2: it's very rare. 55 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 3: I was a left handed quarterback rare, and I was like, 56 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 3: Steve Young, if he can do it, I realize that. 57 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 3: So I walk up and I get into the crowd 58 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 3: of people and they're all laughing. I don't know what 59 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 3: you're saying, but I'm like, everybody fades away, and I say, hello, 60 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 3: mister Steve Young. My name is Bobby. I just want 61 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 3: to say I'm a big fan. And then I started 62 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 3: to walk away and you said I know who you are, 63 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 3: and my life changed. 64 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 2: Well, no, because strangely, my two girls are in high 65 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: school that were still at that point where like eighth 66 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 2: and tenth grade, so I was driving them everywhere, and 67 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 2: every morning I'm carpool and by Bones Joe and they 68 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 2: they love country music and I always loved it kind 69 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,679 Speaker 2: of quietly, but then when my kids, I'm like, oh, 70 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 2: this is amazing, and so listen to you every morning, 71 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 2: and so I wanted. I went home and I. 72 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 4: Said, girls, guess who I met Bobby Bones? And then 73 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 4: it was and then I think you mentioned me somewhere 74 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 4: randomly on the show. Randomly we were driving and it's like, 75 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 4: my girls are like, he just said your name. 76 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 2: So it works in a strange circle. But finish the 77 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 2: story though, to really like people need to know this. 78 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: So it's an elite kind of golf invite to go 79 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 2: to the AT and T and Bobby was there and 80 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 2: it was all set to go, and it was like 81 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 2: you play Thursday and Friday and you make the cut 82 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 2: or not whatever. So it's Wednesday. This is when we 83 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 2: met on Wednesday, and like I go Thursday to kind 84 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 2: of tell him. I told him I remember, you know 85 00:03:55,920 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 2: something I remembered the show. And he's gone like he 86 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 2: big time that I had to work. No no, no, no, 87 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 2: no no. The Grammy's called and it's like, oh, sorry, 88 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: elite people I'm out of here. I've never seen that 89 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 2: done by anybody who's ever been via the eighteen in 90 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 2: my life ever that you just show up and it's 91 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 2: like see you, and like even people who have been 92 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 2: like presidential campaign, but nobody says see you to the 93 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 2: aten T except for the great body see you. 94 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 3: So then what happens is we're talking about Like for me, 95 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 3: it was like the fight. 96 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 2: He's trying to back, don't let him go. I mean, 97 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 2: I see Steve from your perspective, he did big time 98 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 2: the at and T PLA. 99 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 3: I thought, and I want to sid it to everybody 100 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 3: at A D and T and Pebble Beach and every 101 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 3: pebble and every beach. But what really had love you all? 102 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 3: He had to go work, so regardless, I'm on the air. 103 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 3: And the question was because I have a job much 104 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 3: like yours. Well, we've been able to meet a lot 105 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 3: of cool people, a lot of famous people, and that 106 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 3: doesn't always mix. Some famous people are cool, some aren't. 107 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 3: Some cool people are famous, some are and they're like, 108 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 3: who are like the coolest famous people you met? And 109 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 3: I had listed I loved County Crows, Adam Durret's cool. 110 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 3: I went through the list of my top five, and 111 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 3: you were my top five. 112 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 2: I couldn't believe that. My kids thought I honestly, they 113 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 2: don't know what I did before, and they think I'm 114 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 2: kind of like boring and like and when you said 115 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 2: my name is the top five, my kids like. 116 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 3: Oh, Dad, well that's very nice. 117 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 2: So Bobby, thank you for putting me on the pedestal 118 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 2: at home, I get. 119 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 3: And then I get a text him an unknown number, 120 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh, my stalker's back thinking, and it 121 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 3: was and it was Steve. And the first thing he 122 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 3: says is, I remember the bit I was talking about, 123 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 3: how did you get my number? I'm glad you did, 124 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 3: but that feels like you. 125 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 2: I think you gave it to me that brief moment. 126 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 3: No chance, because I would never afford I would never 127 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 3: have said I think you would want my number. There's 128 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 3: no chance. I would have been too insecure to even 129 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 3: offer my number. 130 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 2: Well that's a really good point. When you said my 131 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 2: name top five, and I said, okay, I've got to 132 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 2: reach out to him, it's like anybody with I might 133 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 2: have gotten to Steve Johnathan out of Beach. I think 134 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: that's what I did. 135 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 3: Who I did, not big time. I love Steve John 136 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 3: out heroic to me, and that's how we're are here. 137 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 3: I do want to start though, because I have taken 138 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 3: a crash course and Forever Young, which is your I 139 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 3: appreciate that your charity, and there are a couple of 140 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 3: things that I would like to talk about. First of all, 141 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 3: I know your wife, Barb and the music component of it. 142 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, we did that. Yes, this weekend Monday, we opened 143 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: up our ninth one renowned children's hospital and a reno. 144 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 2: So it's a it's music. Would you explain music therapy? 145 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 2: Therapy is crazy, Like, I'm not a musician. I only 146 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 2: dream I would if you guys could. I wish I 147 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 2: could help the regime regime, so I wish I could 148 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 2: do anything. If I could sing, I would give up everything. 149 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 2: I would give up all. But I love as everyone does, 150 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 2: they love music. My wife, when she was in college, 151 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 2: a friend of hers who gotten a terrible car accident, 152 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 2: terrible brain injury. She did the research, which is my 153 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 2: wife's way to kind of like and she figured out 154 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 2: that there's this thing called music music therapy. And she 155 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 2: went and played bon Jovi because I was her favorite band. 156 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 2: Like over like this, all the time in the in 157 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 2: the room, and she believed it's changed. It helped, and 158 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 2: no one else is like, you know whatever, that doesn't 159 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 2: make any sense. So then twenty years later, a dear 160 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 2: friend of ours that I grew up with, daughter who 161 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 2: was seventeen a musician and she was down in La 162 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 2: recording she was going to be a star. She passed 163 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 2: away like out of like this, on a hike at 164 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 2: a girls camp. And so it was a year anniversary 165 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 2: of that tragedy that Barb's like, wait a second, we 166 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 2: need to honor her because she had done to the 167 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 2: children's She would got to the children's hospital nearby and 168 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 2: play for the kids. As a seventh year old, you 169 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 2: know like this, I want to help, I want to 170 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 2: do things. So we started Sophie's Place, the name of 171 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 2: Sophie for music therapy, and at the time, in two 172 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 2: thousand and six, music therapy in hospitals was starting. They 173 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 2: used to have a heart and the music therapists would 174 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 2: go around a room to room and it's like, no, 175 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 2: we need a space. And so we went to the 176 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 2: hospital and said, look, we'll we'll build the space and 177 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 2: what's funded with the music therapists music therapy is crazy 178 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 2: because music is the only thing that crosses over the 179 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 2: both sides of the brain. Language doesn't do that, and 180 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 2: so the music is ends up to be a scientific medicine, 181 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 2: like there's specific things that you can do in motion 182 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 2: for beating a drum or pain or because pain and 183 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 2: music travel the same places and so if there's music, 184 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: it can't be as much pain. And so there's all that. 185 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 2: There's hundreds of prescriptions written every day by doctors for 186 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 2: the music therapists for specific things for medicine for the 187 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 2: healing of kids in Schildn's Hospital. So that's that's that, 188 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 2: and I wish I was a musician. We had Dan 189 00:08:55,800 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 2: Reynolds came and the Imagine Dragons, we had Chester Bennington 190 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 2: take a park Lincoln Park before. We've had a number 191 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 2: of people come through and play for the kids, and 192 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 2: so I encourage it. Page idiots pick up Trulln's Hospital. 193 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 2: Let's go, Let's go. 194 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 3: So I used to be on the board of a 195 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 3: similar group called Musicians on Call and we would go 196 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 3: and especially with older like eighties and nineties who were 197 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 3: in the hospital, and it was there we would learn 198 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 3: songs from when they were young and it would be 199 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 3: the only time that you would see them light up 200 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 3: like there would be and because if they didn't remember 201 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 3: whatever they didn't remember, what they would remember is how 202 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 3: they felt when that music was played when they were 203 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 3: a kid, and it was like to see it even briefly. 204 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 2: So it's not we know that music has that effect, 205 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 2: but I think I just want to make sure that 206 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 2: people understand that there's a science to the specific things 207 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 2: that music, like brain injuries. They can't get kids to 208 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 2: move their arms, but if they can beat a drum 209 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 2: for some reason, so they beat a drum and they 210 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 2: use that as they beat the drum to reteach them 211 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 2: how to eat. And so there's just music has this 212 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 2: strange power over and Chester Bennington's the one that told me. 213 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 2: He says they haven't figured out where where uh music 214 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 2: starts in the brain. And he says that's because that's 215 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 2: where God sits and no one will actually find it. 216 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 2: So I said, I remember chester Ton. 217 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 3: I went and looked up the charity on the there's 218 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 3: a website and goes, you have a charity is legit? 219 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 3: You guys got one hundred percent. I was worried. Honestly, 220 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, man, do I ever want to 221 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 3: go look at this and I wait, could be scaled, 222 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 3: and I will say it with full authority. It is 223 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 3: not all the stars. 224 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 2: That was yeah, so uh charity navigator, we're one of 225 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 2: the ones. Thank goodness. No, we're we're a little we're 226 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 2: a little group. We're not big. We we peck away 227 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 2: every year. We trade in all this memorabilia for our 228 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 2: golf tournaments to raise the money. And uh, we just 229 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 2: we find like minded people and do our little our 230 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 2: garden in our little corner of the world and try 231 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 2: to do something good. 232 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 3: Let's talk sports a little bit. Oh, I want to 233 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 3: show you because this to me. Let me sit in 234 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:12,599 Speaker 3: my pocket. 235 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 2: You show me your MVP trophy from last week. 236 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,839 Speaker 3: You know I couldn't. I couldn't look my pocket as 237 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 3: a belt. It was a really nice belt. I couldn't 238 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 3: travel with it. But ipen to open these. But these 239 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 3: are cards from like nineteen ninety These are pro Line. 240 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 3: These are the weirdest. 241 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, these. 242 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 3: Are the weirdest cards I've ever seen. 243 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 2: These are the ones because. 244 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 3: Some guys have that don't have their shirt on. I 245 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 3: wanted to roll through some of these cards. Your card 246 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 3: actually wasn't that weird. I put this in. Do you 247 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 3: remember this? Do you remember this picture? 248 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 2: I do, But that's amazing that there's someone with those. 249 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 3: It's odd. So what I wanted to do was roll 250 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 3: through some of these cards that I have not opened yet. 251 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 2: This is magic trick. 252 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 3: I wish that'd be cool. You can't open it here? 253 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 2: Do want me to do it? 254 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 3: Well, I don't want to rip it. Here we go. 255 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 3: And if I pull up a player that you remember, yeah, 256 00:11:58,040 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 3: and if you have a story about that player. 257 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 2: Okay, let's do it. 258 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 3: I would like to hear it. 259 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's a lot of stories I can't tell. 260 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 3: Well, then don't tell those or tell that will pay 261 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 3: the micro right you'll Okay, let's start with Bobby. He 262 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 3: already k know who it was, Bobby Brister. 263 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 2: So some people like, it's what's fun the league? The 264 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 2: NFL is full of just characters right from everywhere. And 265 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 2: if I remember, Bobby was like not Cajun like, uh, 266 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 2: Bobby a Bear, because Bobby a Bear played for the Saints. 267 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 2: When you met Bobby Aber, he's like he would speak English, 268 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 2: but Cajun English. And I'd be like, hey, bro, I 269 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 2: don't know you do I don't know and so then 270 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 2: I thought, Okay, you're in the Superdome and seventy thousand, 271 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 2: eighty thousand people are screaming, and you're in the huddle, 272 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 2: and Bobby Aber's gone to play. I'd be like, bro 273 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 2: because this every else speak caging. No, no, they don't. 274 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 2: So there's all these good and Bubby Brister is that 275 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 2: kind of a character. He's My memory is that he 276 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 2: was from the South, and uh, he was a country like. 277 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 2: I can see Bubby growing up in a place where 278 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 2: you know, all the songs are with the dirt road 279 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 2: and the fish and uh, you know, and you know 280 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 2: all the great lyrics. I'm just screwing up right now. 281 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 2: But uh, and that's what Bubby's a Bubby is a 282 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 2: country dude. 283 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 3: Do you recognize that guy? This would be a guy 284 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 3: Pierce Hold. Do you play with it? 285 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,959 Speaker 2: The pier hold. That's the most serious thing I've ever 286 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 2: seen a Pierce Hold. Oh my gosh. Look he's looking 287 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 2: up in the distance like weird like look of George 288 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 2: Washington cross into Delaware. Yes, you're looking for something really important. 289 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 2: He never he never found anything important. I can promise 290 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 2: you that here's a good dude. But that's the other 291 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 2: thing about guys in the NFL is that these good 292 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 2: dudes that are like really kind hearted. Pierce is a 293 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 2: kind hearted guy, very soft spoken, but was like massive, 294 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 2: Like if you walked in the room, you're like, hey, 295 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 2: whoa stay there? And he was so big and strong, 296 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 2: and then you go play and you're like, holy crap. 297 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 2: There is like two sides to people. Are there two 298 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 2: sides to you? Do you have a side that if 299 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 2: it's time to go, like turn it like it's time I'm. 300 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 3: On the quarterback and podcast now, thanks for asking, Steve. 301 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, but is it because Pierce had two sides? 302 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 2: He was most of the time kind, peaceful, and then 303 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 2: you go play, You're like that dude is different. 304 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 3: I think and you probably have a version of this 305 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 3: as well. For me, I'm on all the time if 306 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 3: I am performing on stage, doing a radio show or 307 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 3: a TV show. But when I'm not on, I'm off, 308 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 3: meaning I'm very quiet. I'm a wallflower. I don't have 309 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 3: much to say because all I do is say and 310 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 3: I know you have opinions. 311 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 2: Otherwise otherwise you could be you all the time. 312 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 3: I would have no no energy, no. 313 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 2: Juice, no, it was just it would be I get that. 314 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 2: I get that. 315 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I would say that would be like off 316 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 3: and or on. 317 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 2: I mean no, I'm kind of mean, you're always all 318 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 2: the time. No, I'm on. I mean, well, when Bobby's talking, 319 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 2: because when we're on Steve he's always talking, I know, 320 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 2: so he just let him talk. Yeah. 321 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 3: Here, and you don't have to comment on this guy. 322 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 3: But see he has no shirt on in this picture. 323 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, look at that. 324 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 3: These are like little bellies. Yeah, they're like glamour shots. 325 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 2: Who is that? Oh? Greg Town's okay, how about you're 326 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 2: a coach. Here there's another George Washington crossing the Delaware. 327 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 2: That's he's the he's the Cajun coach, right, Jim Mora. Yeah, 328 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 2: Saints playoffs? You know that's right? Right? 329 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do one more? Did you have another one atdie? 330 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 2: See Matt Millan in there also? Wait Matt Millon. Ye, 331 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 2: good friend of mine played for the Raiders for a 332 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 2: long time, joined the forty nine ers, and uh, he 333 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 2: would have us. Partner was we were roommates. So we 334 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 2: hung together and Matt would invite us because we're single, 335 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 2: for dinner for the family and he'd say, look six 336 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 2: fifteen and so. But don't don't come later early, just 337 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 2: be there six fifteen. So we would kind of wait 338 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 2: around the corner until six fifteen because we didn't want 339 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 2: to mess up. So we pulled in and then he'd 340 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 2: open the door and he'd be in his underwear and 341 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 2: he'd be like, yeah, come in, and the kids would 342 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 2: be all around the table and we go in and 343 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 2: eat eight and he's like eat, you know, and so 344 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 2: we would eat and then he would like we'd finish. 345 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 2: He's like, okay, now leave, so we would leave and 346 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 2: it was the greatest It was the greatest invite you 347 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 2: could ever have to come to somebody's house because you 348 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 2: don't have to say anything. You just got to be 349 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 2: on time. You don't look at the underwear, and just 350 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 2: go in and eat and eat and leave, like literally 351 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 2: encouraged to leave as fast as you can. And we'd 352 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 2: be full. Pat would make tremendous food and we'd walk 353 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 2: out like it's amazing, Like this is the greatest thing ever. 354 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 2: And the first time I ever met Matt Mellon, he 355 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 2: was playing for the Raiders linebacker and I was a 356 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 2: rookie and I was in the league, like you know, 357 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 2: and I'm playing the Raiders and and I'm you know, 358 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,239 Speaker 2: you can imagine like you break the huddle and you're 359 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 2: like and Matt Mellon's like alert alert alert, Mormon in 360 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 2: the backfield, Moreman in the backfield, alert alert, look around? 361 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 2: What does he talk about? I I that threw me 362 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 2: for a long time and that and I have laughed 363 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 2: about that forever. But he was the kind of guy 364 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 2: that would do stupid stuff like that. 365 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 3: When you when you leave BYU and you go to 366 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 3: the USFL, you put a year there? What was that even? 367 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 2: Like? Yeah, so it was amazing. It was like the 368 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 2: NFL has been around forever, this upstart league. Young most 369 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 2: of us were twenty one, twenty two years old. We 370 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 2: were living in la We were being coached by John 371 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 2: Hadl who was famous kind of a quarterback back in 372 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 2: the day. And Sid Gilman, one of the he was 373 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 2: old at that time, but he was the godfather of 374 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 2: the forward passing like it was amazing. And I had 375 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 2: Gary Zimmerman who ended up being an Oregon where you 376 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 2: guys just just were he was ended up being a 377 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 2: Hall of Fame player. We had Jojo Townsell. We had 378 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 2: all these young players. That was a lot of fun. 379 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 2: We We had a great time, and the league was 380 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 2: legit football. 381 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 3: It was why why why did you go to the USFL? 382 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 2: Though? Because I could play right away and I was 383 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 2: gonna be drafted number one by the Bengals, and I 384 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 2: didn't This sounds a little weird, but I didn't know 385 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 2: anyone Cincinnati. You knew the people in LA. You know 386 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 2: what I mean. There's when you're young, you're like the 387 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 2: familiarity and uh, and playing like I didn't want to 388 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 2: sit and watch and I wanted to go play, and uh, 389 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 2: sitting at you makes you talk like you. Did you 390 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 2: notice that? I don't know if I did. 391 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 3: I feel like I'm talking like you. So I think 392 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 3: there's some hybrid of conversation here where it's very weird. 393 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 3: We had we had talked to another player, peak quarterback 394 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 3: USC and he was drafting the top five same thing. 395 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 3: Went to Cincinnati and was like, I don't know what's 396 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 3: going on. Oh yeah, he never watched on TV. They 397 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 3: He was like, I don't know what happens in Cincinnati, right. 398 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 2: Well, it's like when you're a kid, there's all kind 399 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 2: of weird things are going through your head, and well, 400 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 2: things that do you think matter, don't matter. All of 401 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 2: a sudden, you're you know, you're getting paid to play 402 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 2: a game, Like if like I played football in high 403 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 2: school and now I'm getting paid to do it, it's weird. 404 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 2: And then everyone else that's paid for it, and then 405 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 2: it's like then you see the older guys who are like, 406 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 2: this is my career, this is how I feed my family, 407 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 2: and like I'm going to kill you. You're like, oh, 408 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 2: that's a whole different thing. Like the NFL beats. It 409 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 2: runs people out and you if you are not careful 410 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 2: and you don't really love it and you're not willing 411 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 2: to kind of battle back. You've seen famous like high 412 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 2: draft picks come into the league and then three or 413 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 2: four years they just disappear because they just it's not 414 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 2: their passion, it's they they're really good at it. They're amazing. 415 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,479 Speaker 2: They're the best athletes in their town and they're county 416 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 2: and their state at college, best athletes anyone ever seen. 417 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 2: So you keep doing it and then finally the pro 418 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 2: game forces you to say, do I love this? And 419 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 2: a lot of times like I don't. And that's what happens. 420 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 3: Did you realize in your first year with the USFL 421 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 3: that you probably weren't going to be there the next year. 422 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 2: No, I believed it was a league that was going 423 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 2: to stick around. It was in now, and they might 424 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 2: have had to pair back, you know, there's some financial 425 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 2: things that would be careful. But it was done. It 426 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 2: was it was cooked, and then they wanted to go 427 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 2: to the fall and go up against the NFL and 428 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 2: into the ground. It was too bad because the football 429 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 2: I played for the La Express was better than the 430 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 2: football that was in the Tampa Bay Buccaneers that I 431 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 2: joined the next year, And so it's too bad. It 432 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 2: should be still here, should be played in the spring, 433 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 2: and they're still trying that. It's been thirty years later, 434 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 2: they're still trying to do what they had at the moment, 435 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 2: and it just didn't work out. 436 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 3: When you go to Tampa, did you have expectation is 437 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 3: playing immediately? What was and do they redraft? 438 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 2: How did you end up a stay when all of 439 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 2: us that you know, Herschel Walker and Reggie White and 440 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 2: Gary Zimmerman and all these guys, we all left undrafted 441 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 2: essentially because we went to the USFL. The league didn't 442 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 2: want to allow that, like, hey, wait a second, because 443 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 2: we all thought let's go to the USFL. Let's play 444 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 2: some ball and if something happens, we'll come back as 445 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 2: free agents and we'll pick a team. And the league's like, 446 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 2: we're and so about a year in they said they 447 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 2: made a deal with the Players Association, which I'm still 448 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 2: pissed out about the Players Association allowing that, because you 449 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 2: think they would protect us. But they had what they 450 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 2: called a supplemental draft, and that's when I was number 451 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 2: one to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. 452 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 3: How did you feel about going to Tampa? Not like 453 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 3: I mean, there wasn't a lot of success there. 454 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 2: I I'm you know, I'm not somebody that's going to go, oh, 455 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 2: I can only play here or there. I need this 456 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 2: or that. I was like, let's go. It was hard. 457 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 2: There were some bad boys down there. James Wilder was 458 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 2: a running back. He's the toughest human being I ever met. 459 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 2: There were some good players down there. It was just 460 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 2: a bad situation. It was you ever been. It's like 461 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 2: any organization when when you know there's no accountability and 462 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 2: all those there's this mitigation and point you're, oh, I 463 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 2: would have been great if for you, and you know, 464 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 2: and that feeds on itself and pretty soon everyone's was 465 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,439 Speaker 2: springing the corner and coach oh terrible and everyone's and 466 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 2: you can't get out of it. It's like you can't. 467 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 2: And then there's fight, you know, a fight in the 468 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 2: locker room. I remember the first time I went in 469 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 2: the locker room in Tampa at the halftime. I go 470 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 2: into halftime and you're waiting for like tips from the coach, 471 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 2: you know, like, and half the team's like smoking, and 472 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 2: I'm like, you can't. You can't smoke in the NFL. 473 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 3: You can't. 474 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 2: What is this? I never forgot that. 475 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 3: Man, How did you negotiate the trade to San Francisco? 476 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 3: Then did you let them know you wanted to go? 477 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 2: So we were so bad that I played one full year. 478 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 2: We were so bad that we were going to have 479 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 2: the first draft choice again, and they got a new coach, 480 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 2: Ray Perkins. And Ray Perkins shows up and says to me, 481 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 2: see one thing, I want you to know. I hate 482 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 2: scramblers and I hate lefties. And I'm like that is 483 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 2: bad and uh. And they had a number one choice, 484 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 2: so they took Vinie Ti Saverni and I was like, okay, 485 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 2: we got to get rid of him. So they treated 486 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 2: me the Saint Louis Cardinals. It was equally bad. And 487 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 2: I had made a relationship with the owner, Hugh colver 488 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 2: House Like no one talked to mister colver Osse, but 489 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 2: I saw him and he's like over in the corner. 490 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 2: I'm like, I'll go talk to him like you would. 491 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 2: And so we made a real and that relationship was 492 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 2: one where you know, he said, Steve, I really love 493 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 2: your style. I love what you're doing, and I want 494 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 2: you to be my quarterback for life. I remember telling 495 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 2: me that. So then when Ray Perkins said, bro, you're 496 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,479 Speaker 2: out I and you're traded to the Saint Louis Cardinals. 497 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 2: I called mister Culversse. I said, mister culvers you told 498 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 2: me I was a quarterback for life. And he goes, oh, 499 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 2: I know, Steve. You know he's had a Southern draw. 500 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 2: You know I love you and I bet the new 501 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,199 Speaker 2: coach and I don't know. And I go, well, you 502 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 2: can't send me this like you gotta let me go 503 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 2: somewhere I can thrive. He goes, oh, let me think 504 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 2: about it, and he goes he calls me back. He says, 505 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 2: I cancel that trade, and now you have a week. 506 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 2: I want you to find a place that you like that? 507 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 2: Who would That's unheard of in sports? Right, And and 508 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 2: Ray Perkins was pissed, and he was like like because 509 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 2: he had they had a number of draft toy they 510 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 2: got a number on Draft Show, whatever they got from him, 511 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 2: and he was dumping He couldn't wait to dump me around. 512 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 2: So then they nixed that. And I that's when Bill 513 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 2: Wats called and said that Joe Montana's had his second 514 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 2: back surgery. I think you're amazing. I was like, that's amazing, great, 515 00:24:54,640 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 2: and uh, that's how that happened. How was the Joe 516 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 2: Montana situ? Come on, you want to spend up five minute? 517 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 2: It was awkward. It was always awkward and Joe, if 518 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 2: Joe walked in right now, he'd we will be like hey, 519 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 2: because we didn't. I would tell you that we never fought, 520 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 2: We never had a crossword, never supported each other in 521 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 2: the ways that we had. The job was the job, right, 522 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 2: played golf together, laughed with Steve Bono and all the 523 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 2: guy like. But it was always awkward because in his mind, 524 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 2: I was brought in to take his job, and in 525 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 2: my mind, I was brought in because he was hurt 526 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 2: and I didn't want to sit and watch. I wouldn't 527 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 2: have if he was gonna go be MVP when Super Bowls, 528 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 2: I'd be like, I love watching him, but I'm gonna 529 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 2: go play somewhere. So the whole thing was just and 530 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 2: Bill Walsh was the one was like, oh, it'll work out, 531 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 2: you know, it'll be fine, And we both hated him 532 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 2: for it, but loved him because we and I would 533 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,120 Speaker 2: say this at the end of the day, it got. 534 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 2: It got the most out of both of us being together. 535 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 2: And I watched him play football that is like most 536 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 2: amazing football I've ever seen, and then I hopefully played 537 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 2: football that it was the most. It was the best 538 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 2: I could ever be, you know. And so in that 539 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 2: way it was it sucked and it was great and 540 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 2: it was awkward. And they eighteen someone did a commercial 541 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 2: recently that we did with Bo Jackson comeing to Bo's 542 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 2: house for the Super for the big game and and uh, 543 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 2: I'm there, and and Joe walks in and Bo says, oh, Joe, 544 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 2: good good, that's great. You came, Steve, It's okay, right, 545 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 2: And then I. 546 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 4: Said I'm okay, of course, And then there's this awkward 547 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 4: interchange where we try to high five and miss and 548 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 4: then finally we do this kind of claw shake, you know, 549 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 4: and it's like awkward. 550 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 2: Then it's like perfectly, you know, exemplified what what the 551 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 2: relationship was like. 552 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 3: Did you feel like you were a bit ahead of 553 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 3: your time in the NFL then because you ran. 554 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 2: A thousand percent, I was well, I got kicked out 555 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 2: of Tampa because I was weird and my game was 556 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,679 Speaker 2: not the game. I believe that my game was the 557 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 2: best game you could have when you have lots of options, 558 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 2: you don't have to sit there and wait. I always 559 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 2: thought that Tom Brady and Peyton Manny and Dan Marino 560 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 2: were like super gods because they had to just stand 561 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 2: there and they were amazing. That's like I would never 562 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 2: want to do that job. But now, twenty years later, 563 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 2: because of rule changes, the game is so wide open 564 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 2: you have to run. All the first round draft choices 565 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 2: for quarterbacks are all guys that can move around and run, 566 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 2: and so the game strangely is my game. It's like 567 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 2: the game that I like. I watch it, I'm like. 568 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: Oh, the love, the love is there, let me please 569 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 1: let me in, you know, And I keep working out 570 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: and trying to throw in the backyard just in case 571 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 1: like you never know, like if thirty two guys got sick. 572 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 2: Maybe I throw a couple. Because he said in that look, 573 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 2: think about the game today, and Tom Brady said this, 574 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 2: So it makes it true to me that the game 575 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 2: today is uh, the middle of the field is unpatrolled 576 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,679 Speaker 2: where it used to be like a death zone, like 577 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 2: there's there's people run around free. The flats are always open. 578 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 2: Just if you need a completion, you just take it 579 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 2: and you no one can hit you. Like it's a dream. 580 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 2: It's a quarterbacks dream. Oh by the way, you get 581 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 2: paid sixty million dollars a year. It's like a dream. 582 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 2: Like you know. Anyway, go on, I'm not I'm not bitter. 583 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 2: It's not like it's not it's not a get off 584 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 2: my lawn kind of thing. I know you're thinking, hey, 585 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 2: oh man, get off my lawn. No, it's more of 586 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 2: an appreciation for the changes that have come to me 587 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 2: that make me that resonate and make me want to 588 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 2: play again. 589 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 3: Who did you fear on the other side of the line. 590 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 2: I always say, the unblocked guy, you know what I mean, 591 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 2: Like that's where you could really get hurt. So it's 592 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 2: like I don't care if it's you, guys, and. 593 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 3: What was that up to you guys? But was it 594 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 3: up to you define who was going to be the 595 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 3: unblock guy? 596 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 2: It was part of partly me, and part was just 597 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 2: mistakes and you get hit from you know, and and 598 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 2: and that. Back then, the job was to put you 599 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 2: out of the game. That was the job. And people 600 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 2: remember the bounty and all this stuff like there's that 601 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 2: was very common. And so you had the best athletes 602 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 2: in the world, not the smartest, but the best athletes 603 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 2: in the world paid lots of money to come kill you. 604 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 2: And so I feared anyone that wasn't blocked. But if 605 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 2: you want to say who I didn't want to see, 606 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 2: it was REGGI White. And did you know you were 607 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 2: old enough to remember, you know, as football card said 608 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 2: Reggie White, Tennessee six six three twenty. And you guys 609 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 2: have to know that when you're a rookie, you you list, 610 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 2: they give you a piece of paper card companies and 611 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 2: you say who you are, Steve Young b Yu six 612 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 2: two ten so forever more. If you look on the 613 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 2: card and it's going to say six to two ten, 614 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 2: because I wrote it down. Now, am I six two 615 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 2: might be slightly aspirational. But you know what I mean, Like, 616 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 2: you write down what you feel you are, right, And 617 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 2: if I just thought about Reggie White, he wrote down 618 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 2: six six, three twenty. If you write down three twenty, 619 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 2: you're four hundred, you know you are. If you were 620 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 2: three twenty, you'd write down to eighty, right, do you 621 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 2: understand that? Probably? So Reggie was the biggest, most amazing 622 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 2: athlete that ever lived. I never I didn't meet Biblical 623 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 2: you know, stone throwing gargantuan you know what I mean. 624 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't meet you know, but Reggie White 625 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 2: was if he walked in today, you'd be like, oh. 626 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 3: But he was a pastor. I wasn't full of love. 627 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 2: So one of the great athletes in the world because 628 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 2: he would he was loud, so when he played, he 629 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 2: would scream. So they're like, rah, you know what I mean, 630 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 2: Like you would so you could hear him. So you 631 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,239 Speaker 2: like you drop back to pass and you're like, here's this. 632 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 2: We put three guys on him, like Reggie the three guys. 633 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 2: Then he'd throw them out of the way, you know, 634 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 2: and then you'd hear him coming. You're like God, You're 635 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 2: like everyone's screaming. So then all of a sudden, he's there, right, 636 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 2: All of a sudden, he's there, and he's he's on you, right. 637 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 2: And the most amazing thing is he would grab me. 638 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 2: He would turn over and fall backwards and let me 639 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 2: fall on top of him, and then he would hold 640 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 2: on and there was like this awkward moments, like you know, 641 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 2: and he'd be like, Steve, how you doing. I'm like, 642 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 2: not so good, Reggie, not so good. You put your 643 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 2: dad's here because my dad helped him find my dadil 644 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 2: worry fell when we went to the rookie and when 645 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 2: we were seniors in college, we went to the All 646 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,959 Speaker 2: Star Game together and we got to be friends. So 647 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 2: Reggie would play and he would want to catch up. 648 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 2: So he would like, ah, so like intense and I 649 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 2: got he'd have you and then he'd like, hey, so, uh, 650 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:03,239 Speaker 2: you know, how's everything going? You know? I'm like are 651 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 2: you married? You know? Like like and I'm like, Reggie, 652 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 2: freaking let's just talk after right, talk later, Like let's don't. 653 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 2: I don't want to meet like this anymore. This is 654 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 2: not appropriate, you know. And that's Reggie. Reggie is the 655 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 2: greatest athlete because he was in a You appreciate this Bobby. 656 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 2: He was an emotional athlete. He could be an incredible 657 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 2: competitor and he could be an incredible friend like that. 658 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 2: That's hard to do. Most of the friends that I 659 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 2: played against went the other way. It was worse right, 660 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 2: they were I know you you know, they just don't 661 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 2: know how to handle the the athleticism. In the emotional 662 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 2: athleticism I let. Reggie was amazing. He was a he 663 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 2: was a pastor. He took We'd go to the Pro 664 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 2: Bowl in Hawaii and he would have a revival and 665 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,959 Speaker 2: everyone was invited, and so you go down and then 666 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 2: he was like, who want to be baptized? And the 667 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 2: guys were quite well, and then they'd go out to 668 00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 2: the ocean. He baptize all these Pro Bowls. Like that's Reggie, man, 669 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 2: that's Reggie Steve. 670 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 3: Mid nineties, what was the team that you hated the most? 671 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 2: Well, it was a love hate because the Dallas Cowboys 672 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 2: had become very quickly in the early nineties like amazing, 673 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 2: like there was no weakness. They were and they've unfortunately 674 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 2: for them, they've never seen close to that since. 675 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 3: But he's a massive Cowboys fan, by the way, and. 676 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 2: Talk about underachievement to talent for thirty years. But that team, 677 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 2: that team was some bad boys, and they're doing a 678 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 2: Netflix thing on it right now that it's gonna come out. 679 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 2: I'm actually in an interviewing for it. That's why I 680 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 2: have to go anyway, The Cowboys were we were the best, 681 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 2: and they were the best, and that's how I always 682 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 2: felt like that's where you found out who you were. 683 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 2: So in that way, I remember when true I remember 684 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 2: the Cowboys coming to play the Candlestick and as you know, 685 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 2: you warm up at the fifty and you go opposite 686 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 2: ways so you see each other, and I'm like, Troy, Man, 687 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 2: thanks for coming. You know, I'm on this quest to 688 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 2: see how good I could get, and the only way 689 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 2: I can see how good I could be is to 690 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 2: play the best. And you guys are the best, so 691 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,919 Speaker 2: this is gonna be amazing. I almost hugged them because 692 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 2: I was in this this space where I just I 693 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 2: wanted to find out, like I wanted to like, how 694 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 2: good could I be? And I remember Troy's like freaking weirdo. 695 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 2: But there was that, but that was the there was 696 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 2: the hatred of it because they were so good that 697 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 2: they got in the way, like super Bowls were like 698 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 2: the trophy is like oh, and then it went there. 699 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 2: You know, it was like one way or another, And 700 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 2: that was super painful. I mean ninety two championship game 701 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,839 Speaker 2: against the Cowboys that we got beat. I still throw 702 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,919 Speaker 2: up in my mouth when I think about that game 703 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 2: like that, Like that's the people say to me, what's 704 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 2: the most memorable? My most memorable thing is losing that game. 705 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,240 Speaker 2: Like you'd think it would be all the good stuff, 706 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 2: it was like, those were painful times. 707 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 3: I have final three questions. Let's go with which Super 708 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 3: Bowl was the sweetest? 709 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 2: Well, the one I started in was number one for sure, 710 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,840 Speaker 2: because I felt like I dragged myself there over the 711 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 2: many years and the awkwardness and this strangeness, and there 712 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 2: was a the goal for nineteen ninety one broke out 713 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 2: in the Middle East and and uh it was October 714 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 2: and I was replacing Joe and it was it was 715 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 2: it was awkward for the whole Bay area, right. It 716 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 2: was just odd and different and strange and everyone was struggling. 717 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 2: And the headline was the goal was above the fold 718 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 2: in the San Francis Carnal. You can go look at 719 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 2: them at microfiche. Uh. The goal for it's Steve Young's 720 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,439 Speaker 2: fault because it was funny they thought would be funny, 721 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 2: like it was the funny thing, except that was it 722 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 2: was me, Like it wasn't funny to me. Uh And 723 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 2: so yeah, there was. There were great times and hard 724 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 2: times and it was amazing. 725 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 3: Did you have time after you finished playing football where 726 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,720 Speaker 3: you had to kind of re discover who you were 727 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 3: because you had played you had been football your whole life? 728 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 3: Or were you pretty balance? I mean what you got? 729 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 2: What a lot of green? I was? I mean I 730 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,839 Speaker 2: was you were totally imbalanced because you had to give 731 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 2: pour yourself into something to be great or good or great, 732 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 2: and you had to do it every day all day, 733 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,279 Speaker 2: like that's all you did. And that way balance is 734 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 2: really hard to find. And I think that retiring was 735 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 2: like amazing in some ways because you could now recognize 736 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 2: that there's like wonderful things in your life that you 737 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 2: didn't they couldn't find a way in before. 738 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 3: And did I struggle at all? 739 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 2: Or h I think I think anyone who has a 740 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 2: dream that actually comes true and they can actually perform, 741 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 2: like you know, your but jobs that quit at young ages, 742 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 2: like you know, even acting, I think sometimes you can 743 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 2: go long time, but most of the times you get 744 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 2: you get a star goes and then it falls and 745 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 2: you know, sports is that way. You can be great 746 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 2: at something worldwide in a way like one of the greatest, 747 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,280 Speaker 2: and then that's it. There's a day it just stops 748 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 2: and the next day you wake up and you're like, wow, Okay, 749 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,319 Speaker 2: that was amazing. I kind of want to keep doing that. 750 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 2: But now it's over. And so the great thing I'm good, 751 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 2: the thing I'm best at, maybe I'll be the best 752 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 2: at that. My whole life ever is gone and I'm 753 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 2: actually looking forward and I'm not even good at anything else. 754 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,279 Speaker 2: And so it said, there's a death. I always tell 755 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 2: people when they're transitioning, it's a death, like treat it 756 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 2: that way, like it it died, and now you got 757 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 2: to warn it and now you have to go through 758 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 2: the pain of it all and all the twelve steps 759 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,280 Speaker 2: and come out and then say, okay, then what's the future. 760 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:39,799 Speaker 2: I'm going to go try to be great at something 761 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 2: else and I'm just gonna And my hero, Roger Shaubek, 762 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,280 Speaker 2: I was asking for advice and you go, I'm retiring. 763 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 2: What should I do? He goes, run, I go run, 764 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,760 Speaker 2: where you go just I don't know, Just run away 765 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:53,839 Speaker 2: because the game will never leave you. They'll always want 766 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 2: to ask you questions about it. Don't worry about it, 767 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,239 Speaker 2: but you need to run away from it because all 768 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 2: all you'll do is try to go back because it's 769 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 2: such an allure, because it was the time that you 770 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 2: were the best. And it's been great advice because despite 771 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 2: the fact that my kids don't care, and the only 772 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,440 Speaker 2: thing they care about is I'm number top five Bobby Bones, 773 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 2: Like literally, they talk about it all the time. It's 774 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 2: been a great advice because it is a death and 775 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 2: I and I treat it that way, like it died 776 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 2: and it was amazing and now I got a different life. 777 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 3: What's your favorite picture in your house that has nothing 778 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:32,280 Speaker 3: to do with sports? 779 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 2: There's nothing. If you walked in my home, you would 780 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,879 Speaker 2: not know that it was my home. I didn't want 781 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 2: to do that to the kids. They had enough problems 782 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 2: at school and especially with my boys. You know, just 783 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 2: Steve young skid, what do you do? You throw the 784 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,399 Speaker 2: ball and like, no, I hate football, you know, yeah, 785 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,280 Speaker 2: I like music, theater, you know, like so in our home, 786 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 2: nothing like that we have. I guess we don't have 787 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 2: a ton of art. We have a lot of transitional art, 788 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 2: I'll call it. So like for Valentine's Day or Thanksgiving, 789 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 2: she draws a huge tree and then everyone has to 790 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 2: write what they're thankful for and put it on the tree. 791 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,280 Speaker 2: So it's like that's the main thing in the house. 792 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:14,880 Speaker 2: And then there's the during Halloween there's all the pictures 793 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 2: from all the years of Halloween. They go up and 794 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 2: then come down. So a lot of transitional art in 795 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 2: our house. Uh. Look, I you know, there's there's a 796 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 2: little a small picture of a great picture of Jesus 797 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,280 Speaker 2: that I love. That's like very to me, is very honest. 798 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 2: That is up on the on the on the we 799 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 2: love the fireplace. That's just small but just kind of 800 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 2: reminder that kind of thing. 801 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:45,440 Speaker 3: And our final experiment, mount rushmore foreheads musically, who do 802 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:46,479 Speaker 3: you put on that all time? 803 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I'm just gonna go with like for me. 804 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 3: Only for you, It's only for you, it's your personal 805 00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 3: mountain rush for me. 806 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:06,759 Speaker 2: Right all right? Strangely algreen, Uh can I have earth 807 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 2: wind fire like the whole group? Yes? Okay, these are 808 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:14,799 Speaker 2: like some of like from the beginning, I think, uh 809 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:22,319 Speaker 2: uh huh you too, Like I just you know, I'm 810 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,799 Speaker 2: just thinking influence. Well you have run out of places 811 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,719 Speaker 2: because Bruce Wringston has to be there as well. But 812 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,800 Speaker 2: now I have to have a space for Chris Stapleton, 813 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 2: Like I just move everyone move over this. This guy 814 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 2: needs a space. 815 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 3: A fifth heady. 816 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 2: But but I think that I I just dude is 817 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,960 Speaker 2: amazing and I just I one day I want to 818 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,240 Speaker 2: meet him. I want to meet him somehow. It's amazing. 819 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 3: Thanks for the time. Really, you guys are the best 820 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:49,400 Speaker 3: ye could have done. 821 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,120 Speaker 2: Like what I I love this. I uh, Now you're 822 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 2: gonna have to come on my little podcast and we're 823 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 2: gonna talk about quarterbacking. 824 00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,759 Speaker 3: How you do it in fourth grade when I was 825 00:40:58,800 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 3: left handed. 826 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,600 Speaker 2: No, once you start thinking about it, about the metaphor, 827 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,280 Speaker 2: you'll be like, oh, I know how I. 828 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,920 Speaker 3: I wanted wanted Yeah, the chair. I was gonna say 829 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,279 Speaker 3: a quarterback intil like tenth grade, just to kind of no, 830 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,319 Speaker 3: I know, receiver. And I know you're not even. 831 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,359 Speaker 2: Talking funny about it's funny last week or like we're 832 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,040 Speaker 2: setting this up, Okay, when do you want to do it? 833 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,399 Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, let's say this is Wednesday, let's 834 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,920 Speaker 2: do it early. Early is great, okay, great, and then 835 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,440 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, out of nowhere, it's like, oh, 836 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,800 Speaker 2: by the way, here's a picture of me high fiving 837 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 2: does Bryant and the game. Then here's the m v 838 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:30,879 Speaker 2: P troop. 839 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:32,319 Speaker 3: Not true, like out of no work. 840 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,280 Speaker 2: I didn't say, hey, have you done anything great lately? 841 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 2: You had something? 842 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,839 Speaker 3: What happened? It's like, I did you play? 843 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,879 Speaker 2: By the way, Steve, I just want you to know 844 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,280 Speaker 2: that I was m VP somebody already. Golf was it charity? 845 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,760 Speaker 3: Softball was not charity. First of all, I'm a little insulted. 846 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,920 Speaker 3: Second of all, sometimes I will fill in for rich Eisen, 847 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,400 Speaker 3: who I can come you do this thing? Yeah? I 848 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 3: feel I do. I feel yeah, And so I'll do 849 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,239 Speaker 3: his show when he's gone. And I was gonna do 850 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 3: it this week and I was not able to do it. 851 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,480 Speaker 3: And so I saw that you were on and you 852 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 3: were talking about playing at the golf tournament, and so 853 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 3: a message and said, hey, how did golf tournament go? 854 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,400 Speaker 3: Because I have other friends that were playing, and you were. 855 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,919 Speaker 2: Like, it's funny. I was just joking, and you got 856 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 2: your little defensive I'm very defensive right now. 857 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,160 Speaker 3: And he's like, I did blah blah, and I was like, 858 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 3: oh cool, well what I was doing? 859 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,040 Speaker 2: Well, you're right, there was not a nowhere. You're right, 860 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:28,320 Speaker 2: it was only. 861 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,520 Speaker 3: Kind out of nowhere. Look at my trophy. I'm also 862 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:31,200 Speaker 3: good at sports. 863 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:32,439 Speaker 2: Was the belt right? Yes? 864 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,840 Speaker 3: Yes, it was ale and just actually the second a 865 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,759 Speaker 3: little like wow, yeah, you were just done and I'm 866 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,440 Speaker 3: an amazing athlete. Now to conclude what it was? The 867 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,200 Speaker 3: Major League Baseball All Star Game. Yeah, it is happening. 868 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,279 Speaker 3: That's where I was amazing. I know, no, no, I know. 869 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 3: You said it was like a church league, charity church 870 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,200 Speaker 3: league with fourteen year old. 871 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,120 Speaker 2: Do you see this? I was just kid there it was. 872 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:56,800 Speaker 2: I just was having fun. 873 00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 3: Very insulted, you're amasy, got to tease. 874 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:00,959 Speaker 2: That's fun. 875 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:02,600 Speaker 3: Until we meet again, my friend. 876 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,759 Speaker 2: Bobby awesome, Steve, the best, the best, the best. Maybe 877 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 2: we'll play the A, T and T one day. 878 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, signed this old card for me. Hold on, let 879 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 3: me have a sharpy this that'd be fun. Yeah, record 880 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,839 Speaker 3: him because these are my favorite cards because Steve kept 881 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:17,640 Speaker 3: a shirt on for Joyce. 882 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,800 Speaker 2: Joyce got Joyce, Joy's got everything. 883 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,600 Speaker 3: Thank you, Joyce, Thank you, joy joy Joy thank you joy. 884 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:25,760 Speaker 2: I said it funny. 885 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:27,759 Speaker 3: I'm want to. 886 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 2: Know him about my previous life. She just know this life. 887 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:32,920 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. He was a he was a 888 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:33,920 Speaker 3: punter for many years. 889 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:34,840 Speaker 2: The best. 890 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,200 Speaker 3: Here, Bobby, I'm the greatest. Steve Young. Oh they're great. 891 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,840 Speaker 2: Oh they're great. It's both ways, the greatest. 892 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 3: Thank you, Steve. 893 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:51,120 Speaker 2: You're a hero. 894 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,439 Speaker 3: That's cool, all right, Steve Young, Thank you, Steve. Thank 895 00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,799 Speaker 3: you for having us and that's amazing. Thank you.