WEBVTT - The Elizabeth Journals 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:04.920 She was inside that house. She could tell you what 0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:07.680 it was like. I mean, she told everybody what it 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:11.559 was like to live with the Waggers. I remember, and 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:16.760 they were stressed. Decisions were typically made as a group. 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:25.960 I was making friends to leave the house immediately from us. Friend, Okay, 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:31.720 this is the Pikes and Massacre returned to Pike County 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:38.680 season four, episode seventeen, The Elizabeth Journals m Courtney Armstrong, 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:42.120 a television producer at Katy Studios, with Stephanie Lydecker and 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:46.080 Jeff Shane. As always, it's important to note that George 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:50.200 Wagner has pleaded not guilty to all charges. His father, 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:53.680 Billy Wagner, whose child is upcoming, has also pleaded not 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:58.000 guilty to all charges. Hours of testimony by investigators and 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:01.160 relatives have painted a dark picture of the Wagner family 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:04.640 and the contentious custody battle between Jake Wagner and Anna 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:08.560 Rodin over their daughter. Today, one of the most mysterious 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:11.600 and least known figures involved in the case takes the 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:15.959 stand Elizabeth Armor, Jake Wagner's ex wife, who we met 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:19.400 in Alaska. We've reached out to her before, but had 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:23.119 never spoken directly with her. We've only heard from Elizabeth 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:27.480 on the occasion she posted to social media. Like Tabitha Clayton, 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:30.920 George Wagner's ex wife, Elizabeth is one of the few 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:34.240 people uniquely positioned to discuss the dynamics of the close 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:41.040 knit Wagner family. The murder trial of George Wagner the 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:44.360 fourth continued in Pike County today with new testimony from 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:47.080 the ex wife of Jake Wagner. It was one of 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:51.240 the most anticipated moments of George Wagner's trial. When Elizabeth 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:55.360 armor entered the courtroom, George Wagner's eyes followed her. He 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:57.800 glared as she walked across the room and took her 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:07.960 seat to be sworn in. Sorry, nervous, I've said this before. 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:11.160 We give him a lot of that particular chair. So 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:15.600 we'll just speak this so and if I say anything 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:19.160 that you don't look to that understand, or is a 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:22.840 confusing question, just let me know that. Okay, can you 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:28.560 please sea dream and started. Last name. My name is E. 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:34.799 Elizabeth Armor. My last name is A R. M. E. R. 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:37.560 The twenty nine year old spoke softly as she described 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:41.200 growing up in a religiously conservative community in eastern Tennessee 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:44.440 and what led to her move to Alaska. I grew 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:50.799 up in a Machelevelite community for most of my teen years, 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:54.200 and because of that, I did not have a high 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:57.760 school education, since they would go to eighth grade. And 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:01.919 so friends of mine in from the same room that 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:04.440 I lived on that I had kind of grown up 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:08.960 with a little bit. We're working with the church there 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:12.320 in Alaska that had like a parish school, and so 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:17.120 they had offered to help me get my high school 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:21.280 education because I was interested in pursuing a more standard 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:25.520 kind of lifestyle. Even though Elizabeth wanted a more traditional life, 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:28.760 she still stayed close to her conservative religious roots and 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:32.519 attended a fundamentalist Baptist church in Alaska where she met 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:38.080 the Wagner's how did you come to start attending that church? 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:42.560 So the particular church was the church that my friends 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:46.119 from Tennessee were attending, and that at the church which 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:50.000 had the school as part of it, and the teachers 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:53.120 at that school were going to give me classts after 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:57.760 school to help me get up to see this gd 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:01.240 and so I was going or just you know, because 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:05.440 my friends are okay, were very involved in the church. 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:10.280 Above the watch gave a MDDU. I worked in the 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:13.600 nurseries sometimes, and I say with the choir because I 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:18.320 loved to sing um. I hoped one of the teachers 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:25.480 with a like a Christmas program the church for them. Okay, 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:28.800 while you were there in attending Matt Church, did you 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:35.200 come to learn or know some individuals known as the family? 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:39.720 I did. The Wagner family moved from Ohio to Alaska 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:42.880 in the summer of twenty seventeen, a little more than 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:46.600 a year after the murders. Elizabeth met them through the 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:51.000 church shortly after they arrived. And you tell us what 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:56.480 would your first encounter with one more? My first memory 0:04:56.480 --> 0:05:00.920 of the Latners was Drake and Angela. People badly, but 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:03.880 I just remember Jake and Angela and the children walking 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:08.200 into church, and I remember thinking they were acohol with 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:13.600 the child. I think you have any interactions with them 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:18.120 at that time or Rebecca's an observation. It's just an observation, okay. 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:24.360 And then with their another time where you had another 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:27.480 awareness of that they're one of their one or more 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:30.679 of them. So my next memory of the one there's 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:33.760 one so that I had come out of the nursery 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:37.440 for taking care of the children, and I looked down 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:40.320 the hallway and looked like Jake was at the other 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:43.680 end in the hallway kind of noticing me. And then 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:49.120 remember like feeling nervous. But I didn't really have experience 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:52.400 with any kind of dating or anything like that, so 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:55.000 I thought made him was attracted to him because I was. 0:05:56.320 --> 0:06:00.440 It was just an intense failing. Jake later found her 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:04.200 on Facebook and asked Elizabeth out. Despite her interest in Jake, 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:06.960 Elizabeth told him she wasn't comfortable going out with someone 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:11.560 she didn't know. So what happened next? So he made 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:14.680 a point of introducing himself to me personally next time 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:17.920 when he was at church and wanted to jab me 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:21.400 in the gym. Soon after Jake and Elizabeth began dating. 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:24.680 Their life as a couple revolved around the church and 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:27.680 the small community they lived in. Sometimes we would go 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:33.039 out and get meals, just her local. I wasna with 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:38.320 bastood restaurants. I remember getting ice cream him thinking it 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:43.280 for walks, and you would sometimes just go for a dive. Okay, 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:47.000 was there a point where you learned that there were 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:52.480 some negative information? We are in Jay in the same way. Yes, 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:57.279 so sure that they're so Lemer started coming to the church. 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:01.359 The pastor of the church basically in front of the 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:06.680 church and Um saying that he had known them in 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:09.960 Ohio and that there was some kind of news story 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:13.640 out about UM and that they had been bothered by 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:16.880 the news, and that because they've been bothered by the news, 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:21.960 they moved to Ohio to Alaska and that we should 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:25.680 not really pay attention to the news about them and 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:31.160 just welcome them into the community. And did you also 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:34.000 asked for you. Jake offered an explanation of it as well. 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:42.480 He did, and what did he back? He said, basically 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:45.120 what the pastor had that his family had been had 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:47.760 god by the news media, that they had there was 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:51.320 some scandal where he grew up, that was I think 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:56.520 ex girlfriend had been murdered and that people were putting 0:07:56.560 --> 0:08:00.680 him under suspicion because he had dated her, and that 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:06.560 that was one it was the news story. Act. Okay, again, 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:10.440 did you did you more exact those explanations from the 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:15.680 pastor and from Jake? I did because the family I 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:19.480 was loving with was ex law enforcement and so they 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:22.800 talked with them about it and they said that basically, 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:26.800 if there had been any truth to these stories, they 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:29.680 would have already been rested since it had been two 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:34.960 years time. As Jake and Elizabeth's relationship grew more serious, 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:39.119 Elizabeth meant more of his family. She also witnessed firsthand 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:44.120 the family dynamics. So when they met them, basically what 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:47.360 I remember from going to their house was that everybody 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:53.400 was yelling. That was my impression that everybody was yelling, 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:59.400 and he said there was, Yeah, tell me about that. Um, well, 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:03.600 just seem like everybody was really angry and stressed and 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:07.480 that they were all shouting. I hadn't really heard people 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:13.160 shout that lovely in my life. And I remember Jake 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:17.400 saying that they were stressed and that you know, everybody 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:23.679 was stressed. Okay, and Katy tell us, Um, was there 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:30.880 a point were who were relationship got serious? Jake, nine 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:35.679 months after I met him, he asked me to marry him. Initially, 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:38.880 Jake promised Elizabeth a long engagement so they could continue 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:41.599 to get to know each other, but according to Elizabeth, 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:44.600 he kept changing his timeline and pressured her to marry quickly. 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:52.840 So Jake go changing the nine wine so like. Initially 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:56.719 he said it would be engaged for two years, and 0:09:56.760 --> 0:10:00.600 then as time went on, he kept giving reasons why, Ah, well, 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:02.400 we have to move the data all we have to 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:04.200 move the data up. And he just kept doing that 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:07.400 over and over and over and over. And you know, 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:09.720 here I am in the middle of making wedding plans 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:12.840 and then suddenly I have to move, and I'm busy 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:16.760 and trying to manage everything. And he just kept moving 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:24.200 the day blah blaf until literally it was doctor and 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:28.199 ultimately what was the reason as to why it happy? 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:33.920 That time he said that he was moving and knowing 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:40.240 basically break it off or coming them. Jake told Elizabeth 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:42.720 his entire family planned on moving to a farm in 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:46.200 Missouri to raise camels and pigs, and that they would 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:49.559 have to get married quickly, which they did. He tell us, 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:53.320 what happened up on your way night? Since I grew 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:57.240 up Polish, basically I wasn't actually Amish. What I grew 0:10:57.280 --> 0:10:59.760 up in that kind of lifestyle, that community, very so 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:05.080 their lifestyle. I had to David anybody um and didn't 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:11.439 have any experience with men, and so I had requested 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:15.800 in no in certain terms, that we not consummate marriage 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:20.920 on that night, which Jake had agreed to, but they 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:24.920 not honor after forcing Elizabeth to have sex on their 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:28.240 wedding night. Elizabeth says Jake demanded access to all of 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:32.240 her personal information. And would you say he asked for 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:35.440 your personal information? What kind of personal information are you 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:40.480 talking about? I think account access numbers, my social Security 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:45.760 card numbers, my phone pass code, and at the same time, 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:49.640 you also, like saint my phone with his so that 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:55.400 you could see all of my cons and texts. She 0:11:55.640 --> 0:12:04.200 also had to sign agreements prior or any time. Yes, 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:08.040 I remember in jalone them asking me to sign a 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:12.120 paper that basically my understanding was that it was to 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:15.079 keep me from trying to get custody of any event 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:20.320 of the divorce and what any event of lone divorce? Okay, 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:24.320 and you did actually sign, correct, I did. But Jake 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:27.360 Wagner's desire to control his new wife didn't stop there 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:31.000 on your wedding night. Did he also discuss with you 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:35.840 that you should not have contact with your feeling? He did, 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:42.280 and tell me about that. So two of my brothers 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:51.320 um in their early childhood and sexually experimented with me, 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:56.880 and it was quite young. My family didn't have um 0:12:57.000 --> 0:13:02.240 like sex education. So they were both of the age 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:07.360 of ten, and so the first one had kind of 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:11.600 approached me inappropriately when I was three or four years old, 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:14.880 and then not a lot of completely different occasions when 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:19.400 I was seven years old, And so because of that, 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:23.520 Jake asked me to cut contact with my family on 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:31.040 my wedding night, your entire family, or I remember it 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:36.880 as my entire family. The day after the wedding, all 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:40.360 of the Wagners accept its newest member, Elizabeth, left by 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:44.359 car from Missouri. A week later after sorting out her passport. 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:49.160 Elizabeth joined the entire family Jake, George, Angela, Billy, and 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:53.120 the children living in one small, cramed hotel room. Elizabeth 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:55.760 was horrified at the living situation and tried to leave, 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:58.760 but when she left the overcrowded hotel room to call 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:01.880 her brother for help, Jake found her and brought her back. 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:06.160 So when I got back to the hotel room, everybody 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:11.520 was agitated. Angela, George, Jake that kind of confronted me 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:15.960 about having left the room by myself, and I said 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:17.880 that it wasn't really safe for me to leave the 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:22.760 room by myself because news reporters might be, you know, 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:28.040 I'm trying to bother me, or the need to talk 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:30.520 to every more something like that than I needed to 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:35.320 only room with someone with me. The Wagner's time in 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:39.160 Missouri was short. Even though Jake promised Elizabeth they would 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:42.000 never move back to Ohio because of the news coverage 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:46.040 and the police investigation. The family returned a few days 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:49.000 after failing to find a farm in Missouri. I was 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:53.520 unhappy about it because Jake had basically promised me we 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:57.160 were never going back to Ohio because of the news story. 0:14:57.320 --> 0:15:02.720 But after being in a hotel for I thought anything 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:07.360 might be better. Okay. Life in Ohio was just as 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:11.160 cramped and chaotic as ever, with the entire Wagner family 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:14.280 living under one roof. Tensions were always near a boiling point. 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:18.680 Can you describe to as the family dynamics when you 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:23.560 were learning there that between Jacob, George and Angela, I'm 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:28.240 probably they need to bat with each other. How are 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:33.480 decisions made all that? Okay? So usually interactions were strength 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:36.520 as far as I remember, where they were usually highly 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:43.520 stress and emotional angry. Um Again, the shadow continued. The 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:47.680 decisions were typically made as a group, so they would 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:51.680 discuss what they were going to do, commune decision, and 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:55.520 then that so anybody would do they make improof decisions. 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:58.520 Though she was now a member of the Wagner family, 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:02.040 Elizabeth was often asked to leave the room. Angela and 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:05.360 George Wagner particularly did not trust her. Can you tell 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.760 us about those discussions weirding with her? How did occur? 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:14.360 Usually they would happen in the kitchen. Um. I wasn't 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:19.280 usually asked to join them. I just remember that I 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:23.000 would hear people discussing things in the kitchen, and because 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:25.680 it was so loud to hear people talking and all 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:28.560 about what they're going to do so their plans, or 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:33.080 how they were going to answer certain questions when people 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:38.680 ask them, how do we done these certain finances? All 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:43.280 that in the kitchen. So those were the general ties 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:49.040 you would hear the assess they would talking about finances, 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:53.520 how they would answer media questions or I think of that, 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:57.640 how they were mentioning BCLI questions or police questions about 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:04.159 the children or about their clothes and shoes. Are angries 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:10.280 off the children again? Okay, here's Stephanie and Jeff. She 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:13.639 makes mention of growing up kind of amish like in 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:16.320 her words, and I assume that means that she was 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:20.520 a bit insulated and that she was maybe raised in 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:23.320 a bit of a bubble, and on the one hand, 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:27.240 that would make her a prime target for a family 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:31.520 of predators because she's potentially naive and unaware of the 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:34.680 outside world. And on the other side of that, we've 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:37.800 also heard rumors that some of the Wagners were very 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:41.120 paranoid that she was working for law enforcement from day 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:44.119 one and they just didn't trust her. So the fact 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:48.760 that she's opted in to be recorded and have video 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:54.280 to tell her story is extremely big and very brave. Obviously, 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:58.200 we can't know what she's feeling, but to face George 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:00.760 Wagner in court and to put her face and likeness 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:03.359 out there, I think says a lot about where she is. 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:07.040 It's also interesting Steph. Obviously we don't know what George 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:09.320 Wagner was feeling, but we do know that he rarely 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:12.280 looks up or shows any sort of emotion, and he 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:15.040 definitely looked up at Elizabeth and almost looked like he 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:17.840 was glaring, and he then tracked her as she walked 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:20.840 into the courtroom. So if we're trying to surmise what 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:23.800 he might be feeling, he definitely has some strong feelings 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:28.200 about the fact that she's testified. One discussion stuck out. 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:32.720 Elizabeth remembered the Wagners talking about creating a bulletproof bulldozer 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:35.240 to knock down prison walls if any of the Wagners 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:38.920 landed in jail, and she remembered them talking about key 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:43.760 aspects of the investigation, tell us what discussion did you 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:49.760 hear about? And mostly remembered them talking about tennis shoes 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:55.480 and saying something about, like some of tennis shoes from Walmart, 0:18:56.040 --> 0:19:00.479 but that were ridiculous because they wore boots, and they 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:03.479 kind of like impressed that only multiple times. Do you 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:07.159 think we even buying tensions and boots because we were 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:12.280 boots and they rentioned it multiple times. Going back to 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:18.680 your living with the Waers, didn't you whatever had conversations 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:22.920 with you about the sexual relations you were having with 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:28.639 Jake And yes, okay, I can you remember what she 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:35.080 what specifica she discussed to you. So I remember her 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:38.960 asking if Jake and I were trying to have child 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:42.520 and telling me that it wasn't a good time for 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:48.200 to have your child. And I remember her asking if 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:51.320 Jakee and I had sexual relations with in the room, 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:56.960 and I remember her suggesting that that was inappropriate. And 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:01.720 I remember Jake and I having that discussion, and I 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:04.919 remember telling them that I did not think it was 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:09.960 appropriate and that he did not listen. So you basically 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:14.119 read that I was great. Yes, can you expect that 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:20.760 to Jake? Yes? Angela ever a huge of things free already, 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:27.040 I went, Yes, if I remember it was food poisoning. 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:33.480 She accused me of telling intentionally food poisoned the children. 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:39.680 And was there a time when she accused Yes, there 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:42.760 was a time when it was brought to my attention 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:47.959 my Jake that she said that I had inappropriately touched 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:53.600 and can you tell us what happens as a result 0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:58.440 of that. So when Jake came to me and told 0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:02.840 me that his mom but that I had touched inappropriately, 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:11.200 I was also informed that because of that aliation, George 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:15.000 wasn't comfortable with my living in the house, and then 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:20.360 I needed to go somewhere else. Ian, can you tell 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:24.640 us did you ever have a conversation with both Jakie 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:32.280 and Angela about these specific alliations? Yes? Can you tell 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:35.639 us what happened during that conversation or what we said. 0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:41.919 Elizabeth described this heated conversation as the final showdown between 0:21:41.960 --> 0:21:44.840 her and the Wagner family and the moment she knew 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:47.120 she had to get away from them as soon as possible. 0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:50.720 Jake said that he didn't believe I had done it, 0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:54.800 but that you know, I need to explain myself because 0:21:55.040 --> 0:22:02.879 Angela believed that inappropriately. She was acting very high mighty 0:22:03.080 --> 0:22:08.919 so this week, and I was very shocked, and I 0:22:09.040 --> 0:22:12.240 remember Jake questioning you, very starred me, like did you 0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:16.080 do this? And he laid it out very clearly to 0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:19.760 me that if I had done it, that that the 0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:26.199 right thing to do would be to create Lucille the 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:30.880 baseball bat from the Walking Dead and string me up 0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:34.320 in the barn, beat me to death with the baseball bat, 0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:40.680 both those the barn, let it down and hunt down 0:22:40.760 --> 0:22:45.000 and kill my family. And then he didn't do it. 0:22:45.160 --> 0:22:48.560 His mom would do it. If his mom didn't do it, 0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:52.640 his dad would do it, or George would do it, 0:22:53.080 --> 0:22:56.600 or Billy or you know. He just kept saying, any 0:22:56.640 --> 0:22:59.840 of them would be willing to do this because it 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:06.040 being the ruddy Elizabeth says she went to her room, 0:23:06.160 --> 0:23:09.160 packed her bag and called a friend for help. I 0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:15.760 was making plans to leave the house immediately. Us friend, Okay, 0:23:18.960 --> 0:23:21.080 we're going to take a break. We'll be back in 0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:32.480 a moment, Elizabeth Armor was determined to flee Jake and 0:23:32.520 --> 0:23:36.159 the rest of the Wagners. Elizabeth began pushing back against 0:23:36.160 --> 0:23:39.080 the Wagner's rules, taking walks to the library and the 0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:52.840 local cemetery. She also kept a diary and one screen. 0:23:54.119 --> 0:24:00.560 One of my journal entries, all right, go ahead, space 0:24:01.280 --> 0:24:05.880 in your Granddaddy. The people I live with are all right, 0:24:06.160 --> 0:24:11.000 I guess. They're constantly yelling and hitting, and not one 0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:17.320 of them understands the concept or need for privacy. Even 0:24:17.440 --> 0:24:21.439 the most private of all human doings are open for 0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:29.240 discussion and comment. In this family. It grates on my nerves. Also, 0:24:29.720 --> 0:24:36.720 nobody seems to understand basic ownership. Okay, And he tells us, 0:24:36.960 --> 0:24:41.480 is that one of the journal entries written that was 0:24:41.600 --> 0:24:46.480 discovered by other people living in the home. Yes, and 0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:51.760 were you seeing about them in that journal? Country, I 0:24:51.840 --> 0:24:58.439 mean self speaking about George, Jake Angela, George Chicken Angela, Yeah, okay. 0:24:58.720 --> 0:25:02.040 The prosecution then Elizabeth to read another entry about the 0:25:02.080 --> 0:25:07.439 Wagner family. Dear Granddaddy, I try so hard not to 0:25:07.520 --> 0:25:11.080 hate people. Proof of this is that out of my 0:25:11.359 --> 0:25:16.000 entire crazy, big family, there are only two people I 0:25:16.080 --> 0:25:24.240 truly hate. But now Granddaddy, there are free Daniel, Isaac, 0:25:24.440 --> 0:25:28.680 and Angela. I'm going to call her miss Angela because 0:25:28.720 --> 0:25:33.679 of the name of it's her anyways. Miss Angela is 0:25:33.760 --> 0:25:41.479 horrible for all these reasons. One she married unwisely and 0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:49.040 believes all marriages destined to end like hers. Two she 0:25:49.200 --> 0:25:54.520 has her fingers and my husband's pocketbook and makes exorbitant 0:25:54.760 --> 0:26:00.920 demands on his salary, holding her own quote unquote, and 0:26:01.160 --> 0:26:08.760 help over his head like a glove to emphasize her demands. 0:26:09.840 --> 0:26:14.119 Three she has more say over my life right now 0:26:14.240 --> 0:26:18.840 than I do because she controls my husband through his child. 0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:26.240 Four she verbally abuses and yells insinuations at my husband, 0:26:26.720 --> 0:26:32.680 which he doesn't understand what I do. Five she dislikes 0:26:32.800 --> 0:26:40.240 and ridicules books were how to read less that that says. 0:26:40.280 --> 0:26:46.480 Six because she is a manipulative liar, she is teaching 0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:54.800 our daughters to manipulate and lie. Seven My husband would 0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:59.000 listen to her far rather than to me, because she 0:26:59.080 --> 0:27:05.680 has raised his daughter thus far. Eight she believes me 0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:13.800 to be a replica of Tabby and treats me as such. 0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:19.439 She has insinuated several arms that she expects me to 0:27:19.560 --> 0:27:27.000 poison her Nine. She has repeatedly declared that she will 0:27:27.040 --> 0:27:31.600 see to it that will always prefer her to be 0:27:31.760 --> 0:27:37.520 with her and never accept me as her mama. Ken. 0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:44.280 She has threatened my husband with custody battles. Eleven. The 0:27:44.320 --> 0:27:49.320 most horrible thing is I have her totally within my power. 0:27:49.640 --> 0:27:53.480 All I would have to do would be to tell 0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:58.879 people she did it to get away from her abused mother, 0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:04.080 and I would get her the lifetime sentence like that. 0:28:04.840 --> 0:28:09.360 The only thing is much as I hate the woman Scots, 0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:14.520 it would not be true. Twelve. She loves and encourages 0:28:14.800 --> 0:28:22.840 boys Obeski. Thirteen. She treats the children's second work first 0:28:23.320 --> 0:28:29.680 in kids second, continuing the same donory entry to me 0:28:29.720 --> 0:28:37.000 to read as fourteen. She keeps tabs on me, always 0:28:37.080 --> 0:28:42.560 watching and listening to see where I am. Fifteen and 0:28:42.800 --> 0:28:47.680 having to live in her house under her direct control 0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:53.160 and condescension plan to crush her. Want to treat her 0:28:53.200 --> 0:28:59.080 only commonly and respectfully to trying to become her friend. 0:29:00.560 --> 0:29:06.400 She's like Kwanda, so she really only respects working. I'm sorry, 0:29:06.400 --> 0:29:14.080 my handring is terrible working. Three, be nice because I'm 0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:20.480 bigger than her, or once I have her trust in friendship, 0:29:20.880 --> 0:29:24.640 slam the relationship door and shut in her face. She 0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:34.360 lines blue animals, gardening, money, money, money, her kids, grandkids, working, 0:29:34.520 --> 0:29:41.560 cooking fingers, and hospitality. She sent him about her weight 0:29:41.720 --> 0:29:46.200 and appearance. She either was physically abused of her else 0:29:47.200 --> 0:29:55.440 mistreated and her childhood. Basically all bosses want agins. Elizabeth 0:29:55.480 --> 0:29:58.080 tried to hide her diary from the Wagners, but they 0:29:58.160 --> 0:30:01.760 later found it and confronted her. What they asked you 0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:05.160 to do to these items? Would say the barge with them. 0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:08.800 I think it was Angela Jake, and I feel like 0:30:08.840 --> 0:30:13.800 George was near life, possibly read up as well by 0:30:13.880 --> 0:30:16.760 I don't remember exactly that some of those things for 0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:18.800 me and right because the media or the police or 0:30:18.840 --> 0:30:21.120 somebody might get a hold of what I had wrote. 0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:27.400 And so they asked if I would burn the general 0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:32.560 and flush it down the toilet, it's not too it 0:30:32.720 --> 0:30:36.880 than I did. The Wagner's demand for control over Elizabeth 0:30:36.920 --> 0:30:41.120 led to more threats against her life, indicating it on 0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:44.720 the way Jake indicated should cut out contact with the 0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:49.240 same way, um but forever a time where he told 0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:51.440