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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a pregnant mom just twenty

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Speaker 1: five years old, missing tonight. The family's desperate plea, Where's Emma.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us.

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Speaker 2: I'm Emma Bamba's mother. I would like my daughter home.

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Speaker 2: You miss her.

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Speaker 3: She's her Baby's need her, her family needs her.

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Speaker 2: And if anybody knows anything.

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Speaker 4: Or can help search for her, could you please help us?

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Speaker 3: We need her home.

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Speaker 1: That is Emma Baum's mother A desperate plea to bring

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Speaker 1: Emma home. Emma nine months pregnant, dilated to one centimeter

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Speaker 1: to our knowledge. That from our friends at ABC seven.

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Speaker 1: Joining me right now on All Star panel. But first

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go to Emma's mother, Jamie Baum. Jamie,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Also with Jamie is

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Speaker 1: Emma's father, Jason Waddell and sister Abby. To all of you,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. I've just learned about

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Speaker 1: Emma's disappearance.

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Speaker 5: I'm very curious.

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Speaker 1: I know that she's been gone several weeks at this point.

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Speaker 1: But the first thing I want to do, Jamie is

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Speaker 1: get her photo out there. Emma gorgeous, stunning inside and out.

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Speaker 5: A real girly girl. She loved putting on makeup and

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Speaker 5: dressing up.

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Speaker 1: She loved different styles, wearing wigs, just everything fashion. Now,

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Speaker 1: at nine months pregnant, seemingly has vanished straight back out

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Speaker 1: to Jamie Baum. First of all, tell me about the pregnancy.

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Speaker 1: Is it correct that she was at one centimeter when

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Speaker 1: she goes missing?

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Speaker 2: Yes, she was.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about her pregnancy. Has it been a difficult pregnancy?

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Speaker 1: Has it been high risk? What can you tell me?

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Speaker 1: Because I'm trying to imagine. Is she in some hospitals somewhere?

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Speaker 5: Has she had the baby? But what is behind all

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Speaker 5: of this? How do you just vanish at nine months pregnant?

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Speaker 1: I could hardly walk at six months pregnant with twins,

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Speaker 1: So how does a pregnant young she's just twenty five,

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Speaker 1: a young woman just seemingly disappear.

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Speaker 5: Tell me about her pregnancy.

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Speaker 3: She she's had a good pregnancy, She's just dilated when

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Speaker 3: she went. We tried to have her stay home, as

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Speaker 3: she ended up going out.

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Speaker 1: Right now, her children want to know, where's a mommy again?

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Speaker 1: Joining me in All Star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 1: what we know right now.

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Speaker 4: But listen, we've all gathered here today because we are

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Speaker 4: looking for my sister. She is one sentimeter dilated on

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Speaker 4: October fourth. She has been missing since October ten. My

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Speaker 4: sister is beautiful, She's energetic. She reaches for this guy

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Speaker 4: just like a sunflower, which is her favorite.

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Speaker 1: You're seeing that from our friends at ABC seven joining

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Speaker 1: me in addition to Emma's mother Jamie, father Jason, and

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Speaker 1: sister Abby. Lisette Dean is joining us host of Taste

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Speaker 1: Files Chicago and you can find her at Tastes Files Chicago.

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Speaker 5: Lisette, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Lisa, tell me about the area from which she goes missing.

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Speaker 5: This is Gary, Indiana. Is it in the city? Is

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Speaker 5: it the metropolitan area around the city.

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Speaker 6: This is in the city, Nancy, It's in a more

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Speaker 6: dilapidated area. We're talking about twenty fifth block of Connecticut Street,

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Speaker 6: which there are a lot of empty buildings around. There's

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Speaker 6: a lot of empty land and wooded area. Are you there,

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Speaker 6: So it is, you know, part of the city.

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Speaker 7: One of the concerns that.

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Speaker 6: Is also very near our expressways here, and of course

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Speaker 6: we're known as the crossroads of America in this area.

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Speaker 6: So you know, the thought of maybe her, you know,

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Speaker 6: being even gone on that highway is actually a concern too.

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Speaker 5: You're absolutely correct. Listen to this.

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Speaker 8: Emma Baum was last seen near twenty fifth Avenue in

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Speaker 8: Connecticut Street, about two miles directly south of downtown Gary, Indiana.

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Speaker 8: It's been described as a dismal and desolate area. Baum

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Speaker 8: was visiting a home in the neighborhood. Her friends and

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Speaker 8: family have been there scouring abandoned homes looking for her

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Speaker 1: Joining me in addition to the family analysta Gian Brian

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Speaker 1: Fitzgibbons is with us Director Operations USPA Nationwide Security, leading

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Speaker 1: a team of investigators specializing and finding missing people. You

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Speaker 1: can find him at USPA security dot com. Brian, thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with us. I've got all sorts of

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Speaker 5: Pregnant Emma Baum.

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Speaker 1: Number one a case I'm sure you're very familiar with,

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Speaker 1: and that is the case of Shasta and Dylan Gronie

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Speaker 1: who go missing out of Cord Delane, Idaho. Why what

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Speaker 1: does that have to do with Emma's disappearance? If you

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Speaker 1: could control room, please show me that map again. If

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Speaker 5: That's all you see. Running through that very rural area.

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Speaker 1: Heavily forested is an interstate. What happened to these two children?

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Speaker 1: A guy a perv driving down the interstate gets a

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Speaker 1: glimpse of Shasta gronee about eleven years old, and little

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Speaker 5: Shasta lived.

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Speaker 1: After our program broadcasts the photos, a woman in a

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Speaker 1: Okay, the significance of that interstate cannot be emphasized enough,

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Speaker 9: To have a main thoroughfare like that so close to

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Speaker 9: the phone that she was holding at the time did

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Speaker 9: not have service and connected.

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Speaker 1: Whole another can of worms the cell phone issue.

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Speaker 5: But Brian, just think about it.

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Speaker 1: Sixty miles an hour if she was in a vehicle,

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Speaker 5: Tattoos you see one right there. Now.

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Speaker 1: She loves to dress up and wear different colored wigs.

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Speaker 1: That's just her. What is she wearing right now? We

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Speaker 5: Just look at her face. If I could show her

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Speaker 1: And specifically, specifically, I want to see a show of

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Speaker 1: that will not change. To Jamie, this is Emma's mom.

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Speaker 1: What is that there? She is with the brown here

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Speaker 1: It looks like a sunrise?

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Speaker 1: Emma is a natural brunette, but often has her hair

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Speaker 1: like this. Now the other case, I want to bring

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Speaker 1: up Gee, Brian Fitzgibbons. We just heard Lizette Gien joining

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Speaker 1: us from Case Files Chicago, talking about multiple abandoned homes

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Speaker 1: in the area where she was last visiting friends. In

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Speaker 1: that neighborhood, there are some abandoned homes, and it brings

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Speaker 1: to mind a case that I covered extensively, the disappearance

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Speaker 1: Ultimately found she had been tortured. She was killed in

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Speaker 1: an abandoned home. Brian fitz Gibbons. Police must go through

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Speaker 1: every single abandoned home in that area, explain the danger.

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Speaker 10: There's a lot of inherent danger there.

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Speaker 9: First of all, Gary, Indiana is a dangerous place with

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Speaker 9: all these abandoned homes. Nancy, you complicate search efforts, particularly

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Speaker 10: Police need to.

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Speaker 9: Get on the ground there in that vicinity of twenty

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Speaker 9: fifth in Connecticut and start searching some of those abandoned

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Speaker 5: How do you go about doing that?

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is your expertise. You don't just drive

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Speaker 1: by for Pete's sake. The problem I see with an

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Speaker 1: They can be raped, they can be murdered, they can

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Speaker 1: be held hostage, and no one's going in and out.

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Speaker 1: People stay away from abandoned homes. Who wants to get

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Speaker 1: near it. You don't know what's in there. They're deemed unsafe,

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Speaker 1: So people can be in there and nobody knows.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, the city should have access to these abandoned properties

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Speaker 9: without needing a search warrant. In many cases they will

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Speaker 1: Another case that is startlingly similar is that of a

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Speaker 1: young mom, a Memphis mom, Eliza Fletcher, outlining her own business.

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Speaker 5: Eliza was jogging.

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Speaker 1: Here, we have Emma innocently visiting a friend and she

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Speaker 1: would advise some sort of a grid search at this point.

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Speaker 1: Brian Fitzgibbons, a grid search of this entire area.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely, And it's listen, there are quite a few abandoned

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Speaker 1: To Abby Smith joining me. This is Emma's sister, along

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Speaker 1: with mom Jamie. Abby, tell me about the phone, the

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Speaker 4: Em I used a lot of the WIFEI data, so

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Speaker 4: she should be able to connect to some sort of

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Speaker 4: and we have not found the phone.

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Speaker 1: Hold on right there, right there, hold on, hold on,

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Speaker 1: I've got a dissect.

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Speaker 5: Everything you're saying, Abby is Emma's guys.

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Speaker 1: Please help us, Please help us. The family contacted me.

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Speaker 1: We read about the case online. I have seen no

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Speaker 1: other media coverage of Emma's case. The family is desperate tonight,

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Speaker 5: Sister, begging for help, begging for your help.

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Speaker 1: I want to give you a couple of numbers. Right

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Speaker 1: now here is a toll free number. It's one eight hundred,

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Speaker 1: you tell us one eight hundred, eight eight three, five,

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Speaker 1: five eight seven repeat one eight hundred, eight eight three, five,

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Speaker 5: You can remain anonymous.

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Speaker 1: You can remain anonymous one eight hundred you tell us

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Speaker 1: eight eight three five five eighty seven. Or there is

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Speaker 1: a detective work a detective working the case out of

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Speaker 1: Lake County Homicide Detective Gordon two one nine seven five

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Speaker 5: The mom and dad desperate, desperate for help.

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Speaker 1: They have been out searching, they have been out putting

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Speaker 1: up flyers. Won't you help us help them to Sister Abby?

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Speaker 5: Explain to me how that works quickly.

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Speaker 9: Whether your phone has minutes or not, it's still communicating

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Speaker 9: It's not sending as much information, it's not going to

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Speaker 10: That is correct, Nancy, That's what I.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to cut you off, Abby, but that's what

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Speaker 1: So do you bel leave Abby? She had simply run

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Speaker 5: According to Fitzgibbons.

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Speaker 4: Well, like you said, she was a girly girl, so

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Speaker 2: She just was honest. She wouldn't have not called any

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Speaker 5: We talked to her daily.

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Speaker 1: Very responsible, a great mom, pregnant nine months, Brian, I

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Speaker 5: Back to sister Abby joining us.

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Speaker 1: Abby my control room came into my ear and told

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Speaker 5: What happened.

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Speaker 4: It's a lot emotionally, and this is one of the

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Speaker 4: It's breaking everybody.

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Speaker 5: He's broken. Isn't your dad a war vet?

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Speaker 10: Yes?

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Speaker 1: He him?

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Speaker 1: So this is a man that's faced the enemy far

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Speaker 4: He wants to do when it is right, so we

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Speaker 5: It's still not.

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Speaker 4: So it's probably hurting him in a way that none

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Speaker 1: For those of you joining us and just joining us now,

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Speaker 1: and beyond for a twenty five year old pregnant mom,

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Speaker 8: The search for Bomb has been extensive, please say. Three

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Speaker 8: primary locations have come up in the investigation, and those

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Speaker 8: searches have been exhausted. K nine's brought in on the

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Speaker 8: search found nothing. Multiple interviews have been conducted as volunteers

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Speaker 8: search overgrown fields, knock on doors, and pass out flyers.

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Speaker 8: Officers are now scouring old video footage in the area

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Speaker 1: A twenty five year old mother, nine months pregnant is missing. Stunningly,

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Speaker 1: I have learned that the number one cause of death

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Speaker 5: It's homicide. When I heard that, I actually.

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Speaker 1: Tracked down the first author, a doctor that wrote that,

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Speaker 5: It's I recalled. She was with the New England Journal

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Speaker 5: She didn't. It's true.

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Speaker 1: Look at Emma Baum, Please look at Emma Bam. I

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Speaker 1: She cannot just vanish off the face of the earth.

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Speaker 1: Who saw a nine months pregnant woman, her beautiful Emma.

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Speaker 1: We know that her phone should still be pinging, but

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Speaker 1: But in addition to Sister Abby, hopefully father Jason can

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Speaker 5: Back to Lisette Gien.

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Speaker 1: Joining us host of Taste Files Chicago, Lisa, I've been

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Speaker 1: looking at the crime rates.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 1: While Indiana itself has one of the lower national crime rates,

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Speaker 6: The area of Gary is, you know, very it is

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Speaker 6: So it's interested and we know that Chicago has some

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Speaker 1: All of what list just told us is true, but

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Speaker 5: At one centimeter dilation and listen.

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Speaker 8: Emma Baum comes from a very close, big family with

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Speaker 8: Her sister Abigail says, Emma is energetic, always reaching for

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Speaker 8: Emma is very creative with her appearance, as she usually

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Speaker 1: Emma's family is desperately pushing for more resources to be

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Speaker 8: Balm's family is pushing for more resources to be given

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Speaker 8: There are license plate reading cameras and gunshot detection technology,

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Speaker 1: Let me understand, Jamie Baum, this is Emma's mother joining us.

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Speaker 5: You and Abby have been.

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Speaker 1: Stopping cars asking if anyone has seen Emma.

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Speaker 5: Tell me about this.

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Speaker 11: We've been out every day, all day for twenty four seven,

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Speaker 1: Page bom joining us in addition to Abby and Jamie Page.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about your family's effort on your own without

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Speaker 12: We've been searching every day. We haven't found any answers,

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Speaker 1: Abby, tell me about what you what is going through

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Speaker 4: That someone is gonna give us an answer, that someone

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't understand why you have to be out

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Speaker 13: Well, we have to find her somehow, and if we

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Speaker 5: Why why aren't they?

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Speaker 3: Have you asked them that yes, they said, they said,

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Speaker 1: Joining me is Greg Morse, high profile trial lawyer, partner

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Speaker 1: You can find him at kingmorselaw dot com.

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Speaker 1: Very often you and I are on the different sides

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Speaker 14: It is surprising in this one. I looked into it.

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Speaker 14: What I haven't read the police have been trying to do.

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Speaker 14: This country has license plates readers across the entire work.

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Speaker 14: There's an expressway that borders this There's also a port

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Speaker 14: to Lake Michiganan that borders the eye. There's a lot

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Speaker 14: of opportunity for law enforcement to look at technology to

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Speaker 14: shrink the story as to where this young lady was taken.

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Speaker 10: Or where she went.

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Speaker 14: I was surprised a lot of the mainstream media has

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Speaker 14: not given very many details, which police of course hold

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Speaker 14: back some stuff to verify credibility. I get that, But

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Speaker 14: when I look at this area, that's unfortunately a common

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Speaker 14: area in America, low income area that's forgotten. There's a

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Speaker 14: lot of industry around it. One thing we talk about

457
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Speaker 14: cell phone towers. That's just one component of what it says.

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Speaker 14: Cell phones also routinely their bluetooth will ping off of things.

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Speaker 10: Anywhere they are.

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Speaker 14: There is a lot of data that law enforcement could

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Speaker 14: be looking at, and maybe they are. It sounds like

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Speaker 14: though from the family that they're not. So I don't

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Speaker 14: know how there hasn't been further information. There's a lot

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Speaker 14: of resources go to to try to find where this

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Speaker 14: girl or what happened to lead down that path.

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Speaker 15: The family of Emma Bom says the police have not

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Speaker 15: been helpful in their efforts to find Emma. But police

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Speaker 15: say they have dedicated their search efforts to the three

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Speaker 15: primary locations that have come up during the investigation and

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Speaker 15: are now pivoting the investigation to scour old video footage

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Speaker 15: in the areas where Emma was less seen.

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Speaker 10: The area around Antline Butler's house.

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Speaker 1: The area around the Bio Dad's home is the beginning

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Speaker 1: where she was last seen before according to him, she

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Speaker 1: left that area. But the family has made it known

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Speaker 1: that the Geary PD was not helpful to them and

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Speaker 1: their search for Emma. Now a new detective with Lake

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Speaker 1: County Homicide. Lake County Homicide is on the case, and

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Speaker 1: they feel rejuvenated. They feel that someone cares about their case.

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Speaker 1: Detective Gordon's number is two one nine seven five five

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Speaker 1: three eight five five repeat two one nine seven five

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Speaker 1: five three eight five five. When this goes to air tonight,

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Speaker 1: please have that number emblazoned on a screen so people

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Speaker 1: can see it. To Jamie Baum, explain to me why

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Speaker 1: you felt that the Gary, Indiana police their feet.

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Speaker 5: You know what. Let me ask you a question.

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Speaker 1: According to a report given to me, one of the Gary,

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Speaker 1: Indiana police said to you, when Emma went missing, well,

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Speaker 1: if she's dead in a dumpster, you'll never find her.

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Speaker 1: Did not happen. I'm going to confirm that with you.

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Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am, it did.

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Speaker 3: He told he had told my my daughter that if

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Speaker 3: she was gone to would not be found, and that

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Speaker 3: hurt my family.

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Speaker 1: I understand that after that you feel renewed hope because

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Speaker 1: Lake County Homicide, specifically Detective Gordon.

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Speaker 5: Is now on the case.

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Speaker 1: May I ask you what led the Gary, Indiana Police

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Speaker 1: officer to tell you in the midst of the search

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Speaker 1: of Emma, nine months pregnant, Yeah, she's dead in a dumpster,

501
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Speaker 1: you'll never find her.

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Speaker 5: What brought that on?

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Speaker 4: Somebody had give us some information and I had called

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Speaker 4: and asked to pass it on to him. I asked

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Speaker 4: him if he wanted it, I had it all nicely

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Speaker 4: where he could read it with the times and no

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Speaker 4: questions asked, No, cutting it.

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Speaker 2: Off perfectly, here you go.

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Speaker 4: And he told me no, not only did he not

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Speaker 4: need it, that if that was accurate, we would never

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Speaker 4: be able to find her. If she was done into

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Speaker 4: a garbage dump.

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Speaker 5: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: To Brian fits Gibbons, Director Operations USP, a nationwide security

515
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Speaker 1: specialty finding missing people. You know, in the midst of

516
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Speaker 1: an investigation, I've had victims' families give me a lot

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Speaker 1: of information and sometimes I knew immediately it was not

518
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Speaker 1: going to be pertinent to the investigation, Like two years ago,

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Speaker 1: she got.

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Speaker 5: A hang up phone call, just an example.

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Speaker 1: But you don't tell the family, I don't need your information.

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Speaker 1: She's probably dead in a dumpster and you'll never find her.

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Speaker 5: Well what was he thinking?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, this defies logic, Nancy, And to the family, I'm

525
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Speaker 9: so sorry that, you know, you had to hear that.

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Speaker 10: It's very troubling to hear that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you take the information and you may believe, well,

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Speaker 1: this is not pertinent.

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Speaker 5: But you don't say that to a victim's family.

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Speaker 1: You take the information, you review it, you look at it,

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Speaker 1: you study it and determine if it is or is

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Speaker 1: not relevant.

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Speaker 5: But to say that to a.

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Speaker 1: Family with they are the ones out looking in abandoned homes,

535
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Speaker 1: they are the ones digging through feels high in grass.

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Speaker 5: Many are the ones out in.

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Speaker 1: The street asking drivers to help them. Joining me right

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Speaker 1: now is a renowned forensic psychologist, doctor Sherry Schwartz. You

539
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: can find her at panthermitigation dot com. Doctor Sherry. I

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Speaker 1: recall the feeling of helplessness when my fiance was murdered.

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Speaker 5: There was nothing I could do. Nothing. That is a

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Speaker 5: feeling you never get over.

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Speaker 1: This family has felt they had no ally, that no

544
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Speaker 1: one was helping them.

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00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 5: That can destroy you. Saw the father have to get

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Speaker 5: up and leave.

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Speaker 1: Jason couldn't even listen because he feels so helpless.

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Speaker 5: What is that? How can we fight that so the

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Speaker 5: family can get back on track and find Emma.

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Speaker 7: Well, first of all, I want to say to the family,

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Speaker 7: how sorry I am for everything that you're going through.

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Speaker 7: For Jason, for Dad, and for mom, and even for

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Speaker 7: the siblings. You can see the overwhelming sense of fear

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Speaker 7: and helplessness and frustration that they can't get the help

555
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Speaker 7: that they need from the people that we turn to

556
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Speaker 7: to get help. They're being told, well, you know she's dead,

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Speaker 7: she might be in a dumpster somewhere and you'll never

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Speaker 7: find her. But what they're failing to understand is that

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Speaker 7: nobody knows if she's dead, and if they don't go

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Speaker 7: out and investigate, then we're not going to know. And

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Speaker 7: it's not just missing Emma. There's a baby possibly right

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Speaker 7: and infant baby that's missing. So from my position, there's

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Speaker 7: two people missing here. And for the family, you guys

564
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Speaker 7: are doing, from my perspective, everything that you can possibly do.

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Speaker 7: Continue to stick together, that's really really important, and support

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Speaker 7: each other. Try to overcome your feelings of guilt because

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Speaker 7: you're not doing anything wrong and you didn't do anything

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Speaker 7: to cause this.

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Speaker 1: Sound guys, this has been dragging on for weeks, the

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Speaker 1: disappearance of Emma Baum, and in that time, wild fantastical

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Speaker 1: theories have emerged.

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Speaker 5: Listen.

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Speaker 8: Bobby Joe sten is eight months pregnant. Lisa Montgomery lies

574
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Speaker 8: to her saying she wants to buy one of her puppies.

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Speaker 8: Montgomery drives from Melbourne, Kansas to Bobby Joe's home in Skidmore, Missouri.

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Speaker 8: Montgomery strangles the mom to be and cuts the baby

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Speaker 8: from her stomach. Lisa Montgomery is arrested the next day.

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Speaker 8: The baby girl lives and is now a teenager living

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Speaker 8: with her dad.

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Speaker 1: You think that's fantastical, it was actually floated as a

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Speaker 1: defense theory, and the Scott Peterson murder trial dead Lacy

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Speaker 1: Peterson an unborn child Connor. These fantastical theories are not

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Speaker 1: helping in the search for Emma, but yet they continue,

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Speaker 1: such as comparing the case to a teen girl Marlon

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Speaker 1: at to Lopez.

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Speaker 8: Nineteen year old Marlon and Joe Lopez is lured to

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Speaker 8: the home of Desiree and Clarissa Figueroa with the promise

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Speaker 8: of baby clothes. Once there, prosecutors say Clarissa got on

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Speaker 8: top of Marlin, continuing to strangle her for up to

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Speaker 8: five minutes. After researching how long it would take for

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Speaker 8: someone to die that way, they allegedly cut the baby

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Speaker 8: from Marlin's body, stuffed her in a plastic bag in

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Speaker 8: a hidden garbage can outside. Clarissa then claimed the baby,

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Speaker 8: with the umbilical cord and placenta still attached, was hers.

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Speaker 8: Her boyfriend is accused of helping to hide the murder

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Speaker 8: and evidence at the home. On Friday, October eleventh, Emma Baum.

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Speaker 15: Does not reach out to her family members, even though

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Speaker 15: they are expecting her to come home. Emma has a phone,

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Speaker 15: but it is out of minutes, telling her mother not

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Speaker 15: to worry. She is getting minutes put on the phone.

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Speaker 15: On Friday, Emma.

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Speaker 16: Said she would be back on Friday to do something

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Speaker 16: with her six year old son, Camden. She doesn't show

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Speaker 16: and doesn't call. The family waits through Saturday for Emma

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Speaker 16: to come back, and when she isn't home by Sunday,

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Speaker 16: her mother calls Antoine Butler. Antoine told Emma's mother, Jamie Baum,

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Speaker 16: that he saw her leave with some girl in a car.

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Speaker 1: What look, when my husband has to go out of

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Speaker 1: town for work or he has to go somewhere, I

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Speaker 1: think I know where he's going and what he's doing.

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Speaker 1: Same thing with my children. What does this mean? The BF,

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Speaker 1: the bio dad boyfriend says he quote saw her leave

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Speaker 1: with some girl in a car. Li set Gian joining

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Speaker 1: US investigative reporters, host of Case Files Chicago. Lis set again,

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Speaker 1: let me understand, that is the level of detail I've

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Speaker 1: got from the boyfriend that she left with quote some

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Speaker 1: girl in a car.

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Speaker 5: That's it.

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Speaker 6: That's it, Nancy. And that's where the frustration lies is

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Speaker 6: there's very little details.

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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on just a moment, Jamie Baum, this is

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Speaker 1: Emma's mother has the.

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Speaker 5: Boyfriend I've been helping to look for Emma.

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Speaker 2: No, and his family has never reached out either.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't like the way that smells to Greg

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Speaker 1: Moore joining me, high profile lawyer at King morse A's

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Speaker 1: a silk stocking law firm out of Palm Beach County, Greg,

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Speaker 1: when I look at a statement or I evaluate the

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Speaker 1: credibility of a witness, I look to see if their

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Speaker 1: statement is quote rich in detail. I can tell you

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Speaker 1: exactly what my son was wearing when he left for

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Speaker 1: school this morning, exactly, and I know what vehicle he

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Speaker 1: was driving.

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Speaker 5: I can tell you.

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Speaker 1: Exactly what my daughter was wearing, what vehicle she was in,

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Speaker 1: right down to their backpacks, their tote bags, and their

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Speaker 1: water bottles.

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Speaker 5: What is this gibberish? Some girl, a girl in a car?

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 10: Well?

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Speaker 14: Not everybody remembers the same detail as everyone else. However,

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Speaker 14: a year and practicing law and handling every type of case,

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Speaker 14: these type of general statements that don't aren't made in completion.

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Speaker 14: Where the car went here, I knew the person was coming.

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Speaker 14: The police generally look at that a suspect. They're not credible.

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Speaker 14: And as I mentioned before, why isn't there information about

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Speaker 14: this potential car. Why aren't there people looking into where

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Speaker 14: this car go? It's a very easy thing to follow

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Speaker 14: for police.

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Speaker 1: So of course I hear you say not everybody remembers details.

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Speaker 5: Did you say that.

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Speaker 10: I did say that, Nancy. Not everybody remembers the same

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Speaker 10: all differently.

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Speaker 1: Well, my fiance Keith was murdered decades ago. I can

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Speaker 1: remember right now what he was wearing, blue Jameson adentim shirt.

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Speaker 5: He was going to work on a construction crew.

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Speaker 1: He was driving a white Lamon's and as he left

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Speaker 1: he hung his left arm out the window and wave

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Speaker 1: goodbye to me. I remember it, crystal clear, It's branded

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Speaker 1: on my brain.

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Speaker 5: Jamie. Do you remember the last time you saw Emma. Yes,

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Speaker 5: she was wearing what does she say.

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Speaker 2: Black clothing.

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Speaker 3: She had her bag strapped around, she had her purse

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Speaker 3: strapped around her chest.

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Speaker 2: And she gets the huge by until this should be

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Speaker 2: home tomorrow to make to say.

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Speaker 1: I understand that you represent a lot of clients, but

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Speaker 1: that is total BS man that he all he knows

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Speaker 1: is she left with some.

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Speaker 5: Girl in a car technical legal term. I don't know

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Speaker 5: if you use that.

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Speaker 1: At King and Morse, but that's BS and I'm calling

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Speaker 1: him out on this another thing, another thing I don't like.

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Speaker 5: It's the last time she's seen.

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Speaker 1: It's at his house, Abby Smith, this is Emma's sister,

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Speaker 1: isn't that true?

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Speaker 5: That is correct?

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00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 4: Our sister Jaden and Jewel dropped her off, poor sure

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Speaker 4: at that house to meet her boyfriend.

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Speaker 1: Now, I don't want to make an issue of this

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Speaker 1: because this is a side issue, it's a collateral issue.

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Speaker 1: But I'm curious. I'm very curious, Abby, this bs boyfriend,

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Speaker 1: Antoine Butler. Was he supportive of the pregnancy? Was he

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Speaker 1: helping her? No?

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Speaker 4: There had been multiple times that he had asked her

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Speaker 4: to get an abortion, and that is a bath. He

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Speaker 4: didn't want it. When mfond out she was going into labor,

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Speaker 4: she just wanted to go more or less make sure

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Speaker 4: it confirm and decided she decided that no matter what,

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Speaker 4: she was going to keep the baby and it was

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Speaker 4: going to make her a better person. And then if

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Speaker 4: you didn't want to be a part of it, that

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Speaker 4: she needed to figure it out prior to fully going

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Speaker 4: into labor.

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Speaker 1: So no money, he's not supporting her, he's not excited

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Speaker 1: about the baby. He wants her to have an abortion.

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Speaker 1: You know what, all of that moral flaws. That does

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Speaker 1: not make him a kidnapper or a murderer. However, I'm

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Speaker 1: very concerned about the fact, Brian Fitzgibbons uspa that that's

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Speaker 1: where she's last scene. That doesn't bother you, and nobody

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Speaker 1: can tell me what kind of car she left in

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Speaker 1: or where she went or anything.

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Speaker 10: It's absolutely disturbing, Nancy.

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Speaker 9: A vague statement like that, coupled with, you know, potentially

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Speaker 9: a motive that he didn't want her to have the baby,

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Speaker 9: and that she's having this conversation as she's about to

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Speaker 9: go into labor dilated a centimeter, you know that that

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Speaker 9: was the purpose of this conversation. So all of this

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Speaker 9: adds up to be very suspicious.

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Speaker 5: Jamie, why did she go over to his place?

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Speaker 2: I tried to keep her.

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Speaker 3: I tried to ask her not too she wanted to

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Speaker 3: talk with him over about the baby.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Serry Schwartz, what we women go through to try

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Speaker 1: to have the Hallmark Christmas card? You know, we want

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Speaker 1: the house stick. We want the house. We want the

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Speaker 1: husband or the partner. We want the children. We want

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Speaker 1: the turkey dinner, we want the Christmas tree. We want

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Speaker 1: it the way we have grown up to think it

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Speaker 1: should be right, And I've got a feeling Emma wanted

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Speaker 1: that she wanted the bio dad to want the baby

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Speaker 1: be part of the life, be a family, and was

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Speaker 1: going over to probably try to convince him of that.

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Speaker 7: I'm sure for Emma she probably couldn't imagine that he

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00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 7: didn't feel the same way she felt in terms of

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Speaker 7: wanting to have this baby and parent this baby. And

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Speaker 7: so that's one of the difficulties. You're absolutely right, this

729
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 7: is what we crave. She's about to give birth, and

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00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 7: she wants to talk to him and say, don't you

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Speaker 7: want to be a part of this amazing child's life?

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Speaker 2: And then you hurt my baby and when you friend

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Speaker 2: your shit out.

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Speaker 1: The family in so much pain now out flagging down cars,

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Speaker 1: going to abandoned buildings, walking through fields, begging for volunteers.

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Speaker 5: That from our friends at ABC seven.

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Speaker 1: The boyfriend, the bio dad in this case, Antoine Butler,

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Speaker 1: has not been named a formal suspect in the disappearance

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Speaker 1: of Emma. Emma Baum just twenty five years old, nine

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Speaker 1: months pregnant, and today I join with her family asking

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Speaker 1: for your help. Tip line to Detective Gordon two one

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Speaker 1: nine seven five five three eight five five or one

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Speaker 1: eight hundred You tell us one eight hundred eight eight three,

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Speaker 1: five five eight seven. To Emma's mother, Jamie Baum, Jamie,

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Speaker 1: what is your message tonight?

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Speaker 5: If Emma can hear.

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Speaker 2: You, baby, we love you, watch your home. We'll miss you.

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Speaker 13: If searching for you, we will not stop until we

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Speaker 13: find you. I love you, everybody loves you. We'll find

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Speaker 13: you again.

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Speaker 1: The tip line one eight hundred You tell us or

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Speaker 1: two one nine seven five five three eight five five

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Speaker 1: We wait for justice.

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Speaker 5: Two Unfold. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend