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Speaker 1: There's long been a complicated relationship between science and religion,

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Speaker 1: but science owes a lot to religion. Despite the inherent tensions, Christianity, Islam,

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Speaker 1: have all made contributions to science at various times through history,

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Speaker 1: advancing the fields of algebra, chemistry, astronomy, genetics, and more.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Prognosis, Bloomberg's podcast about the intersection of health

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Speaker 1: and technology and the unexpected places it's taking us. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host Michelle fay Cortes. This week we look more

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Speaker 1: deeply into the study of family origins. It's an area

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Speaker 1: Here's Bloomberg Health reporter christ and b Brown with the

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Speaker 1: story that you can Don's welcome the President and less

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Speaker 1: International Steve ron Wood. You look grave. We are not

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Speaker 1: going to have such a last this week. First, I

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Speaker 1: want to give a little warm welcome to all of

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Speaker 1: If you've ever doubted the market potential of consumer DNA testing,

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Speaker 1: then you probably haven't been to roots tech. You might

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Speaker 1: have thought then you were just coming to a Family

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Speaker 1: History Congress will in eight days of places. But if

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Speaker 1: about to feel so much more than that. Roots Tech

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Speaker 1: is like the consumer Electronics Show for family history hobbyists.

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Speaker 1: It is the world's biggest genealogy conference, and I'm not

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Speaker 1: The multitudes make the pilgrimage to Utah every year for

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Speaker 1: Celebrity genealogists give talks and teach classes, and there are

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Speaker 1: the Mormon Church, or more precisely, the conference is put

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