Speaker 1: Doctor Howard Sobel is a top rated cosmetic dermatologist in
Speaker 1: New York. In fact, he happens to be my dermatologist.
Speaker 1: We talk about everything from what you should be doing
Speaker 1: for your daily skincare routine to insight on popular cosmetic procedures.
Speaker 1: Doctor Sobol also has his own line of skincare that
Speaker 1: you can find at doctor Sobel skinrx dot com or
Speaker 1: Sophora dot com. This is just be influenced with doctor
Speaker 1: Howard Sobel. Let's get into it. So Howard is a dermatologist,
Speaker 1: a high profile dermatologist in New York City that has
Speaker 1: a lot of celebrity clients. I you know, you don't
Speaker 1: get enough credit for the fact that a lot of
Speaker 1: people do this now and you didn't invent it. And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you're the only person that did it,
Speaker 1: but it definitely wasn't a common thing for dermaty is
Speaker 1: to inject botox into a jaw to alleviate that mass
Speaker 1: muscle building up and also the tension from grinding. And
Speaker 1: I know this because a lot of people now when
Speaker 1: I talk about my teeth grinding try to suggest that
Speaker 1: to me and I'm like, Hi, we invented that.
Speaker 2: When you inject the mass of muscle here, this muscle,
Speaker 2: this muscle actually actual fees me like you don't use
Speaker 2: it very much, a muscle atrophye. When it actual fees,
Speaker 2: it has the effect of helping TMJ because why it
Speaker 2: is TMJ. It's grinding your teeth and increasing that muscle
Speaker 2: where it's painful.
Speaker 3: The muscle is always in contraction.
Speaker 1: To be built up.
Speaker 3: It continues you.
Speaker 2: Build up because people don't even realize it, and that's
Speaker 2: sleep they're grinding. And that's why a lot of people
Speaker 2: dent this get people, you know, bite plates so they
Speaker 2: don't grind. But this side effect you know a lot
Speaker 2: of times in dermatology, and we'll talk about it. The
Speaker 2: side effect of things is how things were discovered. So
Speaker 2: by doing botox in the muscle in this area around
Speaker 2: the jaw line, okay, it decreases the muscle, build up
Speaker 2: the tension in the jaw line, and it gives you
Speaker 2: a more heart shaped face.
Speaker 3: And that's what you want.
Speaker 2: A female wants a heart shaped face, a male wants
Speaker 2: a square loft drawer.
Speaker 1: Interesting, that's interesting, Well do you The funny thing is
Speaker 1: that mine for years I had been told by dentists
Speaker 1: for years to get a nightguard, which doesn't totally by
Speaker 1: the way. Sometimes you use it almost like a passive buyer,
Speaker 1: and that becomes like the new thing that you're biting on.
Speaker 1: If you're really like a professional like me, it becomes
Speaker 1: like it becomes like a chew toy, like a chew
Speaker 1: toy for a dog, like you're teeting. It's I'm really bad,
Speaker 1: but I've been doing it my whole life, and even
Speaker 1: young dentists were telling me to get a nightguard, and
Speaker 1: I just ignored it. And you do a lot of damage.
Speaker 1: But what I realized was that you're building it up
Speaker 1: like a bicep curl. Like people thought that I had
Speaker 1: a different face after I did that with you. But
Speaker 1: it's not something you do just the first day. It's
Speaker 1: something that you have to do in small increments a
Speaker 1: because it's a gradual thing. But B you don't want
Speaker 1: to like dissolve your entire jaw, where then it's like
Speaker 1: you don't have a jaw.
Speaker 2: Well, you have to be very very careful on this
Speaker 2: because and I've learned the lesson once or twice as well.
Speaker 3: But I see people come to me all the time.
Speaker 2: If someone's very exciting, please get rid of the TMJ,
Speaker 2: do whatever I want. I want that perfect joy line.
Speaker 2: And you do too much, and you do too much,
Speaker 2: and you answer fee that set of muscle okay, too much.
Speaker 2: What happens you have difficulty biting down and food, and
Speaker 2: also your smile maybe crooked.
Speaker 3: You can wind up with a smile like this.
Speaker 2: I can see that, and I've seen that before, and
Speaker 2: it's very hard and you have to hit the other
Speaker 2: side and balance it out.
Speaker 3: So what you'd rather not do is have that problem.
Speaker 3: Just do a little out of time and then have
Speaker 3: them come back in a month, do it again.
Speaker 2: And just slowly decrease the muscle contraction so you don't
Speaker 2: have you don't get too much. That's the last thing
Speaker 2: in the world. You want someone to come back. My
Speaker 2: TMJ is better.
Speaker 3: But look at my smile, doctor, and I can true
Speaker 3: food and I'm jeweling, So you don't want.
Speaker 1: That, right, Well, all right, So you've been a dermatologist
Speaker 1: for how many years in that space in there?
Speaker 3: Thirty five years? Thirty five? Is that dating me? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I guess that's.
Speaker 1: Dating thirty five years. That's dating you. That's thirty five years.
Speaker 1: And were you like, how long did it take you
Speaker 1: to become a hot shot, like really like the.
Speaker 2: Guy you know shot hot shots then with different hot shots.
Speaker 2: Now it's interesting, you know sometimes when you're a little older,
Speaker 2: you become antiquated. Everything now is the Internet, it's TikTok,
Speaker 2: it's it's you know, Instagram.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: When I started practice, I always had a cosmetic practice.
Speaker 2: But yet I always saw patients for their medical problems,
Speaker 2: their germ medical problems, because you can't just do botox
Speaker 2: of pills or lifel and someone and then they come
Speaker 2: in for a rash and you say, I can't see it,
Speaker 2: go to someone else. So I always saw both, and
Speaker 2: I still do. There was a time that I saw patients.
Speaker 3: I saw manage care as well as just paying patients
Speaker 3: without manage care. Now we don't see manage care anymore
Speaker 3: for the last ten years. But how did you build it?
Speaker 3: I built it by going out and word of mouth.
Speaker 3: That's how I built the practice.
Speaker 2: I mean, Bethany Frankoin, Bethany Franco would say, oh, guy, way,
Speaker 2: I met to his doctor and look what he did,
Speaker 2: and he helped me.
Speaker 3: And then you'd meet someone else, and that's how I did.
Speaker 2: I went to dinner and so I sitting next to
Speaker 2: me started talking to me, and you know, I was
Speaker 2: much younger than and you know you just you talked
Speaker 2: a lot. Okay, you didn't have a real place, there
Speaker 2: was no way of spreading the word.
Speaker 3: People didn't really take ads.
Speaker 2: Then now you see big what big hospitals take an
Speaker 2: AD on cancer and reduction and all the different heart
Speaker 2: valve treatments and everything else.
Speaker 3: It's become a different world. It's a world of not
Speaker 3: mouth to mouth.
Speaker 2: It's mouth to mouth through TikTok, through internet, and no
Speaker 2: one knows who better than you.
Speaker 1: Well, a lot of people know it better. But I'm
Speaker 1: in that world, and I feel like I used to
Speaker 1: be more. First of all, you're a doctor's you're in
Speaker 1: the office all day. You don't have a non traditional business.
Speaker 1: You can't screw around at home all day figuring out
Speaker 1: how to master this. So I feel like it's something
Speaker 1: that you feel like you have to outsource, not unlike
Speaker 1: outsourcing having a brand, And it's not something you can
Speaker 1: spend all day on. And you must feel like you're
Speaker 1: you've made a lot, you've been successful, and you've made
Speaker 1: a lot of money, but you're in the office all
Speaker 1: day seeing patients, So you don't have time to build
Speaker 1: a brand and a business where the really big, big
Speaker 1: parro Cone and you know Dennis Gross and that money
Speaker 1: is and so I want to know, a how do
Speaker 1: you manage? Does it feel exasperating like you're missing out
Speaker 1: over here? You're not big enough on Instagram or TikTok
Speaker 1: and Paracne did that and Dennis Gross did that, and
Speaker 1: you've had a lot and he is Howard is very
Speaker 1: good skincare. He has very good products. And he has
Speaker 1: like a glycolic peel that is thirty percent that actually
Speaker 1: really does burn. You feel the tangle, but not in
Speaker 1: a way where it is damaging. You have a thirty
Speaker 1: percent vitamin ccerum. The packaging is very sort of medical
Speaker 1: meat support, which I do like because it's trustworthy. But
Speaker 1: you know, be Cosmetics is the land of bullshit, and
Speaker 1: you're not spending all your time on building this brand
Speaker 1: because you're still running your business and that is a
Speaker 1: hard area to land, And so how do you balance that?
Speaker 2: And well, you know, I think I did spend a
Speaker 2: lot of time way back in nineteen ninety two, and
Speaker 2: that goes way back, you know, DDF, I know a
Speaker 2: lot of the people are listening now know what that is.
Speaker 2: That brand was Doctor's Dermatology FORMU that I started. At
Speaker 2: that time. There were no ingredients in products I think, okay,
Speaker 2: even the big companies clean.
Speaker 1: Were what ingredients?
Speaker 3: There were no active ingredients. We actually put that on
Speaker 3: the map.
Speaker 2: And when we put that on the map of ninety two,
Speaker 2: we wound up going to one hundred and two skews
Speaker 2: way too much a product linectually.
Speaker 3: Probably only have twenty.
Speaker 2: But we we every time something came out, we made
Speaker 2: it better.
Speaker 1: I did that too with pash Minas.
Speaker 2: You get excited, you get excited, but that's not necessarily
Speaker 2: the best thing financially for a business.
Speaker 3: Now, we eventually sold it. We almost sold it.
Speaker 2: Was supposed to be sold to Loreal and said they
Speaker 2: bought skin Cceutical and then P and G bought us,
Speaker 2: and P and J kind of fell on sort of
Speaker 2: bad times in a way. They sold off a lot
Speaker 2: of their products and we wound up being sold to
Speaker 2: someone else. So I wound up deciding that I you know,
Speaker 2: we didn't really get a do on DDF on because
Speaker 2: everyone copied us. We were you know, no one, there
Speaker 2: was no one.
Speaker 1: They peaked too early, but you didn't make the rust.
Speaker 1: I remember talking to you, and you were torturing yourself.
Speaker 1: You're a scorpio, so I get that you were torturing yourself.
Speaker 1: You were very passionate about two roads to go in business,
Speaker 1: so you don't have to say who they were. You
Speaker 1: can say that's your choice, but this is for people
Speaker 1: listening who are business people. There were two roads. One
Speaker 1: you went P and G, which is the bigger partner
Speaker 1: that seemed like the shiny objects, and you also had
Speaker 1: somebody involved in the deal with you, so you felt
Speaker 1: like if you didn't do it, you weren't being a
Speaker 1: good partner to the person that came that you were with.
Speaker 1: But like you were going in as Beyonce, you were
Speaker 1: staying with Destiny's child with a deal for P ANDNG
Speaker 1: that you didn't think was as good as the other
Speaker 1: deal to go more on your own and have more
Speaker 1: freedom and creativity and be able to innovate and do
Speaker 1: it that way. And your gut was you wanted to
Speaker 1: go be Beyonce, but because of other reasons, you went
Speaker 1: with P and G, and you felt that that was
Speaker 1: a big mistake and then you missed the mark. So
Speaker 1: to explain that mistake because PG, P.
Speaker 3: And G is a machine.
Speaker 2: And you look at their market cap at the time,
Speaker 2: it was two hundred and fifty billion dollars, and you
Speaker 2: look at the market cap of say, the other one
Speaker 2: was Cody, the market cap was like five billion. Okay,
Speaker 2: But what you don't realize I realized now is that
Speaker 2: most of that five billion was all prestige. Out of
Speaker 2: the two hundred and fifty market cap of P and G,
Speaker 2: that it was about fifteen million that was prestige, you know, skincare,
Speaker 2: A lot of the other stuff was you went.
Speaker 1: With a smaller partner.
Speaker 3: I went with the smaller partner. No, I went with
Speaker 3: the bigger part of the PNG. No, the P and G.
Speaker 2: But they were a machine. But that machine, you know,
Speaker 2: broke down to a certain extent. They seem to be
Speaker 2: back now.
Speaker 3: PNG.
Speaker 2: By that time they sold off thirteen billion. Imagine that
Speaker 2: thirteen billion of their skincare and shampoos and all their
Speaker 2: luxury items. And then because PNG was constantly changing with time,
Speaker 2: different CEOs, and now finally they've reached the point where
Speaker 2: they seem to have reached the point where they know
Speaker 2: what they're doing now.
Speaker 3: From that standpoint, of luxury. Remember now they're a big
Speaker 3: consumer company. Now they're a big consumer company.
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Speaker 1: First of all, you have no idea. You have to
Speaker 1: really try to get a sense of where that company is.
Speaker 1: And they're never gonna really tell you. I sold Skinny
Speaker 1: Girl to a company that I did not know. I
Speaker 1: know now was gobbling up brands because they wanted to
Speaker 1: swell themselves up to get up by Sun Turrey for
Speaker 1: a multi billion dollar deal. I wouldn't have known that,
Speaker 1: so I thought I was so special and they came
Speaker 1: in and they wanted to buy us and Pinnacle Vodka
Speaker 1: and all that. Now, if Skinny Girl was today with
Speaker 1: the numbers we were doing, we would be we would
Speaker 1: have sold for a billion dollars. Literally, it was, it was,
Speaker 1: it was, we sold almost a million cases.
Speaker 3: That's because the multiples are so much higher now.
Speaker 1: But also it was trend It's now more trending to
Speaker 1: do celebrity stuff. I was too early, too like I'm
Speaker 1: not complaining, and it put me on the map. But
Speaker 1: I didn't know that they would just want to like
Speaker 1: grab that brand then pay no attention to it, and
Speaker 1: that happens a lot with the bigger partner. The best
Speaker 1: partners I've ever had are the small, not only the
Speaker 1: small partners, because I have really good partnership at iHeart.
Speaker 1: The partnerships that genuinely and you have to trust and
Speaker 1: have some faith or go with your gut, are going
Speaker 1: to let you kind of be you if they wanted
Speaker 1: to buy you or be in business with you, They're
Speaker 1: going to be nimble and like Bob and Weave iHeart,
Speaker 1: I could be like tomorrow, I were going on a
Speaker 1: spaceship and it's going to cost as much and you're uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: but I'm telling you it'll be the best trip we
Speaker 1: ever take. Tomorrow. They would pull the spaceship up. And
Speaker 1: that was what you know. It was like with my
Speaker 1: individual partner in Skinny Girl. I would say to him,
Speaker 1: you shrink wrab a car by tomorrow for filming and
Speaker 1: says Skinny Girl, and he would do it because he
Speaker 1: trusted me. But bigger companies can't make those kind of
Speaker 1: fast moves. iHeart is an exception.
Speaker 3: I could simplify very easy.
Speaker 2: What I did is I went with the bigger company,
Speaker 2: the larger cap company company. I thought I could build
Speaker 2: it to a billion very quickly. And the other company
Speaker 2: and Cody, Okay, it was all about me. They all
Speaker 2: want it was.
Speaker 3: Everything was about about me.
Speaker 2: The name was about me, and they wanted to me
Speaker 2: do everything in the events, P and G. I was
Speaker 2: a founder, Okay, I wasn't really they didn't have to
Speaker 2: incorporate me incorporating when they wanted to, you know.
Speaker 3: So that was the difference.
Speaker 2: And yeah, in retrospect, I would love to have gone
Speaker 2: because you know, Cody was very cool. You know there
Speaker 2: you know they're they're out of Europe and they're just
Speaker 2: a cool company. And that doesn't mean P and G
Speaker 2: is not, but P and G is a little more
Speaker 2: consumer and they're.
Speaker 1: One was parties at that time, and one was more
Speaker 1: like going to like you know, Maysie like it was
Speaker 1: a bigger and you were a big fish. You were
Speaker 1: a small fish in a big pot. So you you
Speaker 1: fucked up, and we've all I've fucked up many times.
Speaker 1: So you fucked up, and you have the products that
Speaker 1: are as good, if not better than what they were.
Speaker 1: So what are you going to do now?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: I felt that, you know, we missed the boat only goes.
Speaker 2: Everyone copied does and something. There are a lot of
Speaker 2: people are copy that's got bored for billions of dollars,
Speaker 2: literally billion dollars. I believe a couple of them six
Speaker 2: hundred million dollars. I can name them all, I won't,
Speaker 2: but they copied what we had. So I need to
Speaker 2: decide to I needed to get back in the game.
Speaker 2: So I actually developed the patent on on a vehicle.
Speaker 2: You know, it's all about you know, you can name
Speaker 2: all these ingredients. If they don't get into the skin,
Speaker 2: what's the use of it? You put it on your skin?
Speaker 2: The monky is too big, it doesn't get in. So
Speaker 2: I developed a patent on a vehicle that any ingredient
Speaker 2: in a cream that you put it in, like if
Speaker 2: you put in retinol, you put it in, absorbs into
Speaker 2: the skin, stays in the skin, longer, becomes time release,
Speaker 2: and decreases any irritancy. And that's why we have very
Speaker 2: high concentrations of retinol that no one else could have
Speaker 2: because of my patented formula. So we went we got
Speaker 2: back and Sephara approached me and they asked me to
Speaker 2: fill a white space.
Speaker 3: And this was sort of the white space.
Speaker 2: So we got into Saphara and we're in a whole
Speaker 2: bunch of different places, and you know, this is all
Speaker 2: much more competitive market than when I was there at
Speaker 2: ninety two.
Speaker 1: I say, I got it, Did I get it? I'm
Speaker 1: going back in with wine to a category I created,
Speaker 1: right because I created celebrity cocktail space, and I'm going
Speaker 1: I'm back in with wine, like you're going back into
Speaker 1: something that you were at the beginning of. But that's
Speaker 1: a touching story. No one cares about it.
Speaker 3: No, you know, I mean the past. It's all about
Speaker 3: the president. Okay, that's what it is.
Speaker 2: And talking about the president and making you know, making
Speaker 2: inroad is having great products. But I also find out
Speaker 2: because I've seen a lot of lousy products out there
Speaker 2: with commercials and everything else. And I don't believe a
Speaker 2: word they say that, you know, instant miracles. You know,
Speaker 2: in twenty four hours, the skin is filled in the athlete,
Speaker 2: scars are gone, the wrinkles are gone.
Speaker 3: I don't believe it.
Speaker 2: And there but there are people that do believe it,
Speaker 2: and people are making a.
Speaker 3: Lot of money.
Speaker 2: So it becomes who has more money? Okay, as long
Speaker 2: as you're not doing any harm to the patient with
Speaker 2: the product. It becomes about sort of who has more money?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 1: Who can marketing? No, one hundred percent. There's a you know,
Speaker 1: and some of them are good brands, but it's about
Speaker 1: the way it's making a person feel. There's a brand
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of called Drunk Elephant. Everyone was obsessed and
Speaker 1: it looks like it's very nice products. There are some eye.
Speaker 3: But there's stories behind that. You know, they're very wealthy
Speaker 3: family behind.
Speaker 1: That, you know elephant.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, a huge family. Yeah, I mean yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't I know. I think they're they're an oil family.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I could I.
Speaker 1: Didn't know that that's a good piece of it. Okay,
Speaker 1: what about theology, because I think they have good products,
Speaker 1: some some good products.
Speaker 2: A lot of these companies have been lucky enough or
Speaker 2: smart enough to to, you know, get some of the
Speaker 2: investment guys that want to get into the market. No
Speaker 2: different than we'll talk about what's happening in the world
Speaker 2: of dermatology. Okay, all investment guys now, I said, investment
Speaker 2: companies are buying up individual practice group practices. I predict
Speaker 2: in ten years you will not see a single practitioner
Speaker 2: in New York or even around the country.
Speaker 3: Pretty much.
Speaker 1: It's like a brand new practice.
Speaker 3: Everything's been brought up.
Speaker 2: People you have approached me, they approach my friends, and
Speaker 2: they want to buy. Very often they don't want to
Speaker 2: buy individual individual bracts, although I've been approached a lot
Speaker 2: of times. They want to buy like a group of
Speaker 2: five doctors, and then they want they're gonna buy another group,
Speaker 2: and they're gonna buy several groups and ten different groups,
Speaker 2: you know, so they have fifty different doctors in maybe
Speaker 2: ten different places. And then they'll take that and turn
Speaker 2: around and sell to some big conglomerates that wants to
Speaker 2: control them all and grow them even more and advertise.
Speaker 3: As you get.
Speaker 1: But why can't you do one of those deals and
Speaker 1: you go around the country and make sure that each
Speaker 1: one is up to part. It's like a franchise. Make
Speaker 1: sure that you're making sure that the quality is good
Speaker 1: in the franchise. I think, actually think that's a good idea.
Speaker 3: No, it's a great idea. It's all about dollars, okay.
Speaker 2: I mean, these guys come in, have huge dollars behind them,
Speaker 2: but their goal is that their goal is to be
Speaker 2: the first one in and then get out and have
Speaker 2: a bigger guy buy them, and then who knows where
Speaker 2: they go from there, And that's where it's coming. I'm
Speaker 2: amazed that you'll see it. You'll see all these little
Speaker 2: places opening, like shops that you know, it's not.
Speaker 1: Almost like adjacent to medical spa like skinny spa or
Speaker 1: like you see them in the city. You see that
Speaker 1: on the second floor, these brands that you're starting to
Speaker 1: not realize you're seeing it. But it's these different and
Speaker 1: quote unquote med spots are doing botoks are doing all
Speaker 1: this stuff. I agree with you, it happens to where
Speaker 1: they really aren't that many dentists. I've seen like these
Speaker 1: like chain teeth cleaning places that also will do your dentistry.
Speaker 1: And one of them really messed me up. One of
Speaker 1: them in New York City screwed me up bad.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: I have patient the other day. She came in, she
Speaker 2: had one eye clothes and I said, what did you do?
Speaker 2: And I always did a botox in the past while
Speaker 2: I was in the area and I hurt my knee,
Speaker 2: and why I was there Athopeda doctor he saw I
Speaker 2: do botox now and he gave her boatox and she
Speaker 2: her eyes closed.
Speaker 3: It's called tosis and she and so people are doing
Speaker 3: that now.
Speaker 1: I had. I had a dentist, which is adjacent do
Speaker 1: the botox and the jaw because he's seen what you
Speaker 1: were talking about. But still like a dentist's not their
Speaker 1: first thing that they're doing botox all day.
Speaker 2: No, you know, all the plastic surgeons jumped in and
Speaker 2: they have nurses in their offices. PA's in their office
Speaker 2: is you know, they have a lot of people assisting that.
Speaker 2: You know, even in my office. You know, after a
Speaker 2: certain period of time, the nurses, you know, and pas
Speaker 2: want to do it themselves. They don't want to assist
Speaker 2: anymore so that that whole world is changing. And what
Speaker 2: happens is they wind up going somewhere and getting bought
Speaker 2: up by some big company that's just had a whole
Speaker 2: bunch of pas and nurses working at a very at
Speaker 2: a much discounted price. You know, we've maintained, hopefully maintained,
Speaker 2: you know, our practice because you know we there's quality
Speaker 2: here and you get something under one roof. But like
Speaker 2: I don't let someone out without doing a medical check
Speaker 2: on them, making sure they don't have a melanoma or
Speaker 2: a skin cancer.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Then we then we go from head to toe, thinning hair, varicos, veins,
Speaker 2: you know, muscle loss, building up to cheeks, getting rid
Speaker 2: of fine lines and wrinkles, getting rid of pigmentation. Okay,
Speaker 2: we're coming.
Speaker 3: I'm covering skin ca I'm covering and I can tell
Speaker 3: you some new lasers. Well if we have time.
Speaker 2: He ye, we just got in the last two weeks
Speaker 2: to believe it or not, and they're exciting things happening
Speaker 2: all the time. Some of the lases, you gotta be careful,
Speaker 2: you know, another laser comes out every other week, and
Speaker 2: you got to pick and choose because a lot of
Speaker 2: them are the same.
Speaker 1: What is all this stuff and what do we really
Speaker 1: need in your opinion? Okay, So I've heard of there's, there's,
Speaker 1: and people buy these. Serrum serum is the most overused.
Speaker 1: Like everybody has a serum and they all do something different.
Speaker 1: So vitamin C serum, vitamin B serum, glycolic serum, retinal, NYA,
Speaker 1: sin peptides, matrick soul, like, let's be I know it's
Speaker 1: different for everybody. But I've been doing this a long
Speaker 1: time now. We're looking at all this stuff and I'm
Speaker 1: still confused. So can you collagen? Can you try to
Speaker 1: help me understand what is for what? So? Like then
Speaker 1: there are ones that say like for brightness and reduces discoloration,
Speaker 1: and I think those are also vitamin C. I'm a
Speaker 1: woman in the drug store, so I have been told
Speaker 1: a long time ago, and I stick by it that
Speaker 1: I would do vitamin cerum and see serum in the morning,
Speaker 1: and if you want like either a glycoc or retinal
Speaker 1: or something peeling at that or if you're dehydrated, put
Speaker 1: this on, Like tell me about this functional.
Speaker 3: You're coming to my office. What am I going to get? Okay,
Speaker 3: that's what you're asking.
Speaker 1: Okay, what does a person do during the drugs? So
Speaker 1: they want to try this year they heard about nice.
Speaker 3: Okay, we'll tell you that. Then everyone should use a retinal. Okay.
Speaker 3: Retinal is tried and true.
Speaker 2: It's the only real product that has been held up
Speaker 2: truly to decrease fine lines and wrinkles and so many,
Speaker 2: so many studies, thousands of touch studies. So a retinal
Speaker 2: and answer question is what concentration? We have a high concentration,
Speaker 2: but longs you use a retinal at night?
Speaker 3: And question is should use a retinal every day? Okay?
Speaker 2: I think retinal is a great product. I think you
Speaker 2: start out every other day. But I like to intersperse
Speaker 2: it with nica sin in mine. A lot of people
Speaker 2: have not heard cinema nine cinemi is B three. It
Speaker 2: helps keep water, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: So if it's a BAT three sermony.
Speaker 2: B three cerami and n exact same thing. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 2: so I alternated. Because retinoal increases collagen production, it increases
Speaker 2: elastin production, It helps tighten the skin.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: It also helps blood float to the skin as well,
Speaker 2: so you get that rosy glow. Then the nine Cinemi helps,
Speaker 2: you know, the barrier of our skin, water gets out,
Speaker 2: pollutants get in. As we get older, it becomes like
Speaker 2: cottage cheese. The B three A Nice Cinemi actually actually
Speaker 2: repairs that barrier, so it always sows up the little holes.
Speaker 2: Water stays in and the pollutants things don't get out,
Speaker 2: and you get more of a plumper skin. It also
Speaker 2: helps with core size as well. Okay, if nothing else
Speaker 2: does it other than that, I think Nice Cinemi. So
Speaker 2: I have someone alternate that now because we have high
Speaker 2: concentration today, just a specific maybe for soble skin, I
Speaker 2: use it with biohyaluronic acid.
Speaker 3: Biohaluronic acid, as you.
Speaker 2: Know, is one of the best moisturizeres A skin is
Speaker 2: made up of hyaluronic acid.
Speaker 3: It helps keep water in the skin. As you get old,
Speaker 3: skin becomes less plump and it becomes sunken in. So
Speaker 3: I haven't put the retinal on by a cinemion.
Speaker 2: Assume be hieronic on and then Nice Cinemi and then biohyaluronic.
Speaker 1: Alternate days, all right, So the knights of the retinal
Speaker 1: are the hyaluronic and the knights that are off for
Speaker 1: the nice cinnamond.
Speaker 3: No, the retinal nice cinamie, it's retinal biohyaluronic right after
Speaker 3: next day.
Speaker 1: Okay, bio hyaluronic. Is that the same thing as hyaluronic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the same thing as hieron that's our name,
Speaker 2: but we use in ours is highluron which is a
Speaker 2: small molecule of the hieronic acid, so it actually gets
Speaker 2: into the skin.
Speaker 1: Yet the night of the retinal is the hyaluronic you said, yes,
Speaker 1: you're using biohyaluronic both nights, and then the other night
Speaker 1: is the n cinamide in the hyaluronic And what about
Speaker 1: the day? Do you agree with the vitamin C serum
Speaker 1: in the days?
Speaker 2: Totally viamin C that builds collagen, one of the best
Speaker 2: buildings of collagen and also which helps fine lines and
Speaker 2: wrinkles and lasting production. And the key to it it
Speaker 2: actually decreases pigmentation.
Speaker 3: It helps with brightness of the skin.
Speaker 1: Okay, So what about now when you have a product,
Speaker 1: it's like the pads that are glycolic toning pads are
Speaker 1: exfoliating pads. Those pads I use those a couple of
Speaker 1: times a week during the day and they seem to
Speaker 1: like clean the skin also, and they're not too harsh
Speaker 1: and then moisturize after with SPF and some of them
Speaker 1: are stronger and you could use those at night and
Speaker 1: using those not with retina. They're instead of correct or
Speaker 1: an alternate.
Speaker 3: Well, you alternate, you're not using it with it, you're alternating,
Speaker 3: of course.
Speaker 1: But why would you choose the retinal and not those pads?
Speaker 1: Why would one choose one or the other?
Speaker 2: Well, glycolic acid Okay, as we age, our skin cells
Speaker 2: stick together amost like a glue like substance. Okay, So
Speaker 2: the glycolic acid actually unglues those dead skin cells. So
Speaker 2: those dead skin cells that are sitting on top of
Speaker 2: the skin making your skin look yellow and rough. Yes,
Speaker 2: and as you age it doesn't you don't slough off
Speaker 2: those skin cells as readilarly. So the glycolic acid breaks
Speaker 2: up the glue in between the cells, and when you
Speaker 2: wash your face, it's slopped off.
Speaker 1: It's exploding. Yeah, I didn't know that retinol didn't explode you.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I thought, well.
Speaker 2: Does does that as well? But over a period of time,
Speaker 2: like holic acid works a little quicker to unglue, those
Speaker 2: those those uh glue like substance between.
Speaker 1: The cells, so you can combined and then and then
Speaker 1: a scrub is like another version of doing that on
Speaker 1: your own. It's like manual scrub is.
Speaker 3: A physical version of that.
Speaker 1: Right, that's what I'm saying. A wash cloth is an exfoliant.
Speaker 1: I think exfoliator, well, absolutely depends how rough it is, right, okay,
Speaker 1: But but.
Speaker 3: There's no The confusion here is you keep hearing.
Speaker 2: Collagen uh increasing, collagen increasing and lasting decreasing fine lines
Speaker 2: and wrinkles. A lot of these products work in conjunction
Speaker 2: with each other. And your question is a great question,
Speaker 2: But there is other than maybe the retinal. There is
Speaker 2: no one product that should be used by itself.
Speaker 3: I think. No.
Speaker 1: I agree that, Yeah, I agree, but not but but.
Speaker 2: The worst thing in my office in terms of patients
Speaker 2: coming in, they think more is better. That doesn't mean
Speaker 2: you take a retinal, then you put it like how
Speaker 2: it on top of it, and then you put a
Speaker 2: nice sit on top. But people do that, they think
Speaker 2: more is.
Speaker 3: Better, you know, and it's not okay, it's I agree.
Speaker 1: I think that it's like cooking and you have to
Speaker 1: and you have to know or eating. You have to
Speaker 1: know your body. So if I'm an Aspen, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to start doing a ton of like drying exfoliators
Speaker 1: because I know that my skin's already tightening because it's
Speaker 1: freezing out and it's so dry. So that's a place
Speaker 1: where you might do like a warm washcloth to exfoliate
Speaker 1: a little bit and then absorb the products by layering,
Speaker 1: like a serum or a face oil, and then a
Speaker 1: moisturizer would be go easy. If you're in Florida and
Speaker 1: your face is sweating at night, you might do a
Speaker 1: scrub because you've had SPF on and sweat. Like, people
Speaker 1: have to start thinking the way that they think about
Speaker 1: how they're eating or what their body wants. People treat
Speaker 1: their skin like it's either a one size fits all
Speaker 1: or they just tell me what to do and every
Speaker 1: day I'm doing that and people don't know, like my
Speaker 1: face needs a moisturizing mask or my face needs a
Speaker 1: detox masks. Like you got to kind of get in
Speaker 1: tune with your own face.
Speaker 2: Well, the average person, you know a lot because you're
Speaker 2: doing a lot with skincare all the time, but the
Speaker 2: average person can't go to the drugs are necessarily and
Speaker 2: do it right. I mean they should talk to the
Speaker 2: dermatologists and get a program and stick to that program. Okay,
Speaker 2: because if they go to the drugstore and buy something,
Speaker 2: some of them will be right, some of them won't
Speaker 2: be right, and they'll get a whole mixture of things
Speaker 2: that may count to the other. So I think it's
Speaker 2: important to get a real program and just stick to it.
Speaker 2: Very easy to need their and just just let them
Speaker 2: write on a piece of paper what do you do
Speaker 2: at night? What you do in the day, what do
Speaker 2: you do when you're in the sun. And also remember
Speaker 2: i'm buying to see because you're on redin all you
Speaker 2: have to use a sunblox. Some block always goes last,
Speaker 2: by the way, that's the last thing you put on.
Speaker 3: So you should know.
Speaker 1: Oh good question. So what about There's an SPF thirty moisturizer.
Speaker 1: There's an SPF thirty skin tint like a foundation. There's
Speaker 1: an SPF thirty serum. There's a glowy serum SPF so,
Speaker 1: and there's a powder that has SPF. So my feeling
Speaker 1: is how are you going? And then there's a spray
Speaker 1: to put on the top. It's a setting spray because
Speaker 1: then later in the day you could touch it up.
Speaker 1: How do you really believe people should be doing their SPF.
Speaker 2: I mean that's obviously individual. I mean nothing. You don't
Speaker 2: need more than thirty thirty blocks. You know, the sun
Speaker 2: rays by ninety seven percent. If you get a fifty,
Speaker 2: it's ninety eight. If you go all the way to
Speaker 2: almost one hundred percent, get what's the difference, ninety seven
Speaker 2: versus ninety eight, ninety eight ninety nine. So that's all
Speaker 2: you need is a thirty because when you start getting
Speaker 2: past the thirty, it's not it's cosmetically elegant. It's very
Speaker 2: hard to get a fifty or a sixty. So just
Speaker 2: use a thirty. If the key is how often you
Speaker 2: apply it, you've got to apply it in the sun.
Speaker 2: People don't realize that. And SPF was the guidelines were
Speaker 2: by putting it on every two hours if you're in
Speaker 2: the sun, and that will give you an SPF of thirty.
Speaker 3: If you put it on and.
Speaker 2: You wait five six hours, no longer an SPF for
Speaker 2: thirty anymore.
Speaker 1: What about mineral sunscreen? People alwauld say, oh, but it's
Speaker 1: not mineral, so it doesn't counter. It's not what it
Speaker 1: is that I like.
Speaker 3: Mineral as well because it's you know, it's as opposed
Speaker 3: to chemical. Some people have reactions to chemical sunscreens. They
Speaker 3: don't apps quickly when you put it on. It takes
Speaker 3: about half hour to work.
Speaker 2: The mineral or physical sunscreen they work instantly, and that's
Speaker 2: and that's why people like that and less chance of
Speaker 2: irritation or allergic reaction.
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm learning. This is good. Okay, great, So let's
Speaker 1: go into like things that I've heard about, and then
Speaker 1: you'll tell me things I haven't heard about. Okay, you've
Speaker 1: told me that the string. Let's go through like procedures
Speaker 1: that I just hear about in the in the in
Speaker 1: the ether. So what hydro facial bullshit or not bullshit?
Speaker 3: No, not at all.
Speaker 2: Hydrofacial actually gets rid of this sebum and oil that's
Speaker 2: in the skin when in the sebations plant and that
Speaker 2: subations plan gets caught up with bacteria with seeb them,
Speaker 2: which is oil and debris dead skin cells.
Speaker 3: And that's what causes is it, that's what comes us.
Speaker 1: I think I've had them, and I think it's kind
Speaker 1: of bs like if you have underneath stuff, it needs
Speaker 1: to be like like gotten excavated. I feel I feel
Speaker 1: like that's a SHEI shehi bullshit facial to me, Well.
Speaker 2: What we do here very often we do actually a
Speaker 2: real poor cleansa cleaning with the facialist and then a
Speaker 2: hydro facial, or you can do it the other way around.
Speaker 2: You do a hydrofacial solution everything and then she does
Speaker 2: a real facial in terms of getting out some of
Speaker 2: the see.
Speaker 3: Them and the pus and everything else. That's clauge. Your
Speaker 3: boys komy domes blackheads, so you.
Speaker 1: Can do those little bumps that like teens get. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, I'll sput the difference with you on that.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm a more hardcore facial person than that.
Speaker 3: What about so do them both together?
Speaker 1: Okay? What about? Where are you on microdermabrasion?
Speaker 2: You know, Michael der Vers is almost a thing in
Speaker 2: the past. Okay, I mean you know, your date, yourself.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's done that much anymore because.
Speaker 1: We see I love it. I still think it's great.
Speaker 3: I think I know because it's simple, it's easy, and but.
Speaker 1: We have affective but we have these.
Speaker 3: Incredible you know, newer better lasers now that work better
Speaker 3: than micro deva rasion. Yeah, Michael der is a great
Speaker 3: good you know, buff puff. You know, it gets gets
Speaker 3: rid of the dead skin cells really quickly. You're refreshed
Speaker 3: and you glow for you know, for a couple of days.
Speaker 3: I'm not We have it here.
Speaker 2: We do it, but not as often because those people
Speaker 2: that want it, you know, will get sometimes a clear
Speaker 2: and brilliant there.
Speaker 1: I think micro is better than a clear and brilliant.
Speaker 1: I've had them both. I really do better than a
Speaker 1: chemical peel like a quick count I think. I think
Speaker 1: the actual slothing and buffing I think is more effective
Speaker 1: to get the ship off the top of the surface.
Speaker 1: What I really think doing this for like thirty years,
Speaker 1: all of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It also depends on skin type. You know, there are
Speaker 2: sense of skin types that cannot do a.
Speaker 3: Michael Darren Braide.
Speaker 1: Okay, they get too.
Speaker 2: Read irritated, they have broken blood vessels. The blood vessels
Speaker 2: get broken and don't listen.
Speaker 3: We do it here.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm doing it for twenty years, but I just
Speaker 2: have I think I have so many other things now
Speaker 2: that are I hate to say better but working conjunction
Speaker 2: better than just a Michael Darrel Brade.
Speaker 1: Okay, so the clear and brilliant, let's go through. We're
Speaker 1: gonna go after the plastic surgery. The clear and brilliant.
Speaker 1: From my perspective, if you get like a CO two
Speaker 1: peel or a fraxle, it's like you're down for seven days.
Speaker 1: You look like a monster. Your face is peeling off,
Speaker 1: and my personal feeling, which doesn't mean it's right, is
Speaker 1: that your skin is such baby. After that, if you
Speaker 1: even walk near the window, the brown spots fly in
Speaker 1: faster and it scares me. Versus like CO two, which
Speaker 1: is like a slow and low like you do it,
Speaker 1: and if you do a couple in a row, you're
Speaker 1: getting not the same effect, but it's not as harsh,
Speaker 1: and I think that's better.
Speaker 2: What do you think, Well, that's interesting, you said, because
Speaker 2: CO two in general is a much more aggressive peel.
Speaker 3: Or a laser.
Speaker 2: Okay, we just bought a laser last week called the
Speaker 2: Helix laser, which I'm really excited about because what it
Speaker 2: does is it actually takes over for the fractal and
Speaker 2: takes over for the CO two. You could actually, if
Speaker 2: most people want fractionally want for pigmentation, get rid of
Speaker 2: pigmentation precancers. Okay, people want CO two want, like if
Speaker 2: they want a deep one, but real deep lines for
Speaker 2: acne scars for.
Speaker 3: Pigmentation.
Speaker 2: Yes, so but with this laser does which is really
Speaker 2: exciting me. And we haven't done a huge amount yet
Speaker 2: because you only got it last week and I've done
Speaker 2: about six people already that are thrilled. Is it combines
Speaker 2: CO two and it finds non a blade of laser
Speaker 2: fractional layer there, So you're combining actually two modalities together.
Speaker 2: So if you want to tone it, I actually tune
Speaker 2: it down very low where you want to get rid
Speaker 2: of the wrinkles and the pigmentation, and and you don't
Speaker 2: want a lot of downtime because it doesn't heat up.
Speaker 2: The spot size is smaller and the spread is smaller,
Speaker 2: so it actually lets you heal quicker than a normal
Speaker 2: CO two.
Speaker 3: But you have the not a bladeer laser that down
Speaker 3: not a blader means get peel from it. Okay, you
Speaker 3: don't get any scamy. It's just a heat and that
Speaker 3: heat heats down the dermis Okay, an axle conjunction with
Speaker 3: the CO two, So you don't get the downtime you
Speaker 3: would get from a normal CO two, but more of
Speaker 3: the effect that.
Speaker 2: Then you would ever get with a CO two the
Speaker 2: old co twos so and more zero downtime.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you need three days.
Speaker 2: This is no such thing as aero top. Time someone
Speaker 2: tells you downtime, run away because you're not getting result.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about three, three to five, you know days,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna do that.
Speaker 3: You can do, you can do.
Speaker 2: You have also been dialed down to just a cool
Speaker 2: peel and a coop pill.
Speaker 1: Just that's what I heard about. Tell me about a
Speaker 1: cool pillo. That was my next question.
Speaker 2: Well, we had a cool pill and we actually got
Speaker 2: rid of cool bill for this lays the heel goes.
Speaker 2: It's the coop pills is incorporated into this lass. Okay,
Speaker 2: it's cool.
Speaker 1: So that okay, a cool piel okaytail.
Speaker 3: Would be equivalent of coopio would be a quivalent of
Speaker 3: your buff puff. Okay.
Speaker 2: Just cleaning up the skin, getting rid of dead skin
Speaker 2: on the cell on top of the skin, and you
Speaker 2: have a minimum of redness overnight okay, and no downtime.
Speaker 3: Yeah, then you dial that same laser up. You go
Speaker 3: deeper as deep as.
Speaker 2: You want, but the added a blade of makes it
Speaker 2: heats up the skin and you've got the synergistic effect.
Speaker 2: I know, it's very hard to comprehend just talking to you.
Speaker 4: You do it.
Speaker 1: No, you're doing a decent job. You're saying, they compliment
Speaker 1: each other and we didn't have not as extreme.
Speaker 2: It's it's to give that person extreme results without extreme
Speaker 2: down time.
Speaker 1: Okay, and what about like some places just have the
Speaker 1: chemical peel where they put something over your skin. It's
Speaker 1: almost like a chemical solution and it's in. It feels tingly,
Speaker 1: but it's not crazy like what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's mostly glycolic acid that you know that you know
Speaker 3: years ago we use phenol, but no glycolic acid.
Speaker 2: It's a nice, little, you know, feel good thing. I
Speaker 2: think we have all these other things in our our
Speaker 2: mentor that we could.
Speaker 3: We could.
Speaker 2: We don't need it. I guess we don't need a peel.
Speaker 2: People come in and they say, I only want a peel.
Speaker 2: I'm used to appeal, please give me a TCA tri Clark.
Speaker 2: You see the acid peel. They go in, they get out,
Speaker 2: It takes ten minutes. Their faces slops off the dead
Speaker 2: skinned skin cells for probably two to three.
Speaker 3: Days, and they very fresh.
Speaker 2: I feel like I have other things I can offer them,
Speaker 2: but then they insist they want to appeel so far,
Speaker 2: so be it.
Speaker 3: We give to them peel.
Speaker 1: Okay, now let's get into filler. Because so I've done
Speaker 1: botox with you years ago, we did filler one time.
Speaker 1: I forgot what it was called wrestling, And I've had
Speaker 1: people like make up all these stories that you can verify,
Speaker 1: and you're allowed. I'm giving you the permission to say
Speaker 1: that I have not been a filler person. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying it's good or bad, but a lot of people,
Speaker 1: and a lot of plastic surgeons really don't think it's
Speaker 1: a great solution, Like that filler is not great, that
Speaker 1: most plastic surgeons don't want to alienate their dermatologists because
Speaker 1: they're referring business back and forth. But that I've heard
Speaker 1: of don't think filler is a great solution by overall.
Speaker 3: Well, it really depends what you're trying to you know.
Speaker 2: Uh, if you look at your face and you've lost
Speaker 2: the volume in your face and your face is sunking
Speaker 2: in and you're not lucky enough to have high cheek
Speaker 2: bones like you do a really great drawer line, Okay,
Speaker 2: putting a filler in and raising the cheek area and
Speaker 2: give it a more defined area. At the same time,
Speaker 2: when you do that, you lift and you get rid
Speaker 2: of as of labial nose line here from the nose
Speaker 2: to the mouth, that gets deeper. It gets deeper because
Speaker 2: what happens, your cheek has descended, and if you lift
Speaker 2: that up with a little filler, Yeah, all of a
Speaker 2: sudden you get rid of that line and you've given
Speaker 2: someone a cheek bone where now they can put makeup
Speaker 2: on and and have a defined area where the plastic
Speaker 2: surgeons are against it.
Speaker 3: If you have skin that's loose and hanging, okay, especially
Speaker 3: on the neck, if Phil is not going to do
Speaker 3: very much.
Speaker 1: Okay, So that I understand, that's a good good You're good, Howard.
Speaker 1: This is good, very very educate. Yes, I understand. And
Speaker 1: you're saying, like, the thing that I find is that
Speaker 1: people get people say things like that about the filler.
Speaker 1: But it's like, yeah, you know what, aging sucks too.
Speaker 1: But here we are like, you're not you're not a magician.
Speaker 1: You're saying, I'm going to help you solve some concave
Speaker 1: issues in your face. This is what I have. A
Speaker 1: plasti surgeon has other shit. And then still you guys
Speaker 1: are a magicians, and I've and I don't. I want
Speaker 1: to support women, so I really want to say this
Speaker 1: in a constructive way. When and just like that came out,
Speaker 1: that show that the follow up for Sex and the City,
Speaker 1: the women's faces looked like it's okay to get get
Speaker 1: work and get filler or whatever. It looked like either
Speaker 1: bad work or desperation. And I think it kind of aged,
Speaker 1: Like looking aged can often be better than looking strange
Speaker 1: and fucked up like paul A. Man notices it more
Speaker 1: than when public that her face is fucked up, like
Speaker 1: he doesn't know what he's even saying or what it
Speaker 1: could be, but he just will say not meaning he
Speaker 1: he you know, as a mother who's you know, you know,
Speaker 1: an older woman and she hasn't had play surgery, so
Speaker 1: you know, he's no problem with age. He will just
Speaker 1: look at someone and say like, what is that? And
Speaker 1: I'll be like, I think it's you know, either bad
Speaker 1: or too much or not balanced. And it's being said
Speaker 1: about the Morning Show.
Speaker 2: Well, when you have a facelift, okay, you you've pull
Speaker 2: the skin as taught as you want, but if you
Speaker 2: don't have the fat underneath or the collegen or last
Speaker 2: underneath the skin to hold that up, You're going to
Speaker 2: look gaunt. You're gonna look like you got caught in
Speaker 2: a wind tunnel. So after you have a facelift, you
Speaker 2: very often need philip.
Speaker 3: That fill.
Speaker 2: It could be hyaluronic acid, wrestling juveiter, it could be
Speaker 2: even fat. Okay, there's a lot of other fills. There's
Speaker 2: something called sculpture that also that builds collagen. There's so
Speaker 2: many different things. But the key to what you're asking
Speaker 2: here is you have to just be a better version
Speaker 2: of yourself. You can't try to bring your face back.
Speaker 2: You know, when you're fifty and used to be on
Speaker 2: TV at thirty, you're not going to bring it back
Speaker 2: to thirty.
Speaker 3: And if you try to bring it back to already,
Speaker 3: you're going to look like a cabbage patch doll.
Speaker 1: But how do these doctors do this? They must be
Speaker 1: expensive doctors. These women are rich, really rich.
Speaker 3: So how does someone doctors? Will?
Speaker 2: You know, patients want it and they give it to them,
Speaker 2: and sometimes very hard to say to somebody, and they're
Speaker 2: very you know, I mean it's very very very hard.
Speaker 3: But someone insists on I want more, I want more,
Speaker 3: I want to look like my friend.
Speaker 2: I said, well, your friend looks a little freaky, you know,
Speaker 2: and then the friend gets a little anoyed. But you
Speaker 2: got to be carefully fantom and people.
Speaker 3: You don't want people to want.
Speaker 2: You don't even want to walk into a restaurant and
Speaker 2: say you want someone to say, wow, she looks really great.
Speaker 2: You don't want someone to say, oh, my god, look
Speaker 2: all the work she had done.
Speaker 1: Advertisements for you. So it's fucked up, like whoever did
Speaker 1: the work on these shows that people are criticizing. It's
Speaker 1: not a great indicator. So what do you do?
Speaker 3: You say no, no, you say no, But they're gonna
Speaker 3: go to someone else. You know that what do you want?
Speaker 2: You try to talk it somewhere in between what you
Speaker 2: want and what they want and trying to meet in
Speaker 2: the middle. And you're not going to give them that
Speaker 2: so called cabbage patch look that that we all hate.
Speaker 2: You know that that sometimes they puts so much fill
Speaker 2: in their eyes closed, you know, and they look lumpy
Speaker 2: and bumpy in certain lights, and one side is higher
Speaker 2: than the other side because it's hard to make it symmetrical.
Speaker 3: I mean this there less is more, and you do
Speaker 3: it in small incorams. That's what I believe in.
Speaker 1: And what about the lips, like so we want that
Speaker 1: people are getting. There's a young influenza. She's twenty something,
Speaker 1: and she was very honest about like putting filler in
Speaker 1: the lips. Is that filla that's lasting forever? Isn't there
Speaker 1: one that's like forever?
Speaker 3: I know?
Speaker 2: I have the love controversial probaby. I love silicon. I
Speaker 2: think it's one of the few areas Micro Michael dropments
Speaker 2: of silicone that uh that a pure grade silicone, you know,
Speaker 2: medical grade silicone. You don't have any reaction to those.
Speaker 2: And you put small little dropists along the boarderline and
Speaker 2: one in two treatments.
Speaker 3: It's done.
Speaker 1: I sat and you never come back.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: I did her lips, but also she had a nose done,
Speaker 2: and she had two little dimples and her nose here
Speaker 2: and here you've seen that sucked in.
Speaker 3: Look here I put a drop of silicon. It literally
Speaker 3: took two minutes and two minutes and al sudden she
Speaker 3: didn't have to have a noose repair again.
Speaker 1: She hated that that's like your jaw move. I haven't
Speaker 1: heard that before. That's a move.
Speaker 3: Well, because people are afraid of silicone because it's permit,
Speaker 3: which means you've got to do a really good job.
Speaker 3: Because it's permanent. Is good because it's permanent. Permit's bad
Speaker 3: because it's permanent, because.
Speaker 1: You get it out. You're saying, that's Lisa Rinna lips.
Speaker 1: When she did her lips, she did silicon because it was.
Speaker 3: Only what she did. I don't know what she did,
Speaker 3: but that.
Speaker 1: Would be a lot of meaning. So she had to
Speaker 1: keep keeping them the way that she did it, that
Speaker 1: she had to.
Speaker 3: Do it every four and five months if she to
Speaker 3: keep it up.
Speaker 1: Wow and wow and can you it's a really subtle difference.
Speaker 1: The silicon. I would like some juicues.
Speaker 3: No, with the silicon, you just do.
Speaker 2: I can tell you so many your friends that I've done,
Speaker 2: and it's ten years ago, and it's held that usually
Speaker 2: need one or.
Speaker 3: Two depends on you have good lips, so you need
Speaker 3: you need Maybe I have good lips, Okay, I'm looking
Speaker 3: for now.
Speaker 1: Your little lips look good, so I don't need it.
Speaker 3: I don't know what you did to it. Maybe maybe
Speaker 3: you uh.
Speaker 1: I didn't know I had. I would like the silicon
Speaker 1: in the lips.
Speaker 3: Have nice shaped lips? Yeah, you have great lips, but
Speaker 3: with almost no lips skinny skinny scale of those, I
Speaker 3: may have to do four or five treatments on, but
Speaker 3: we do it slowly so they never walk in and say,
Speaker 3: oh my god, what did you do to me? Okay,
Speaker 3: that doesn't happen because I never give them that much.
Speaker 2: When you do the ones that are absorbed, you do
Speaker 2: you can't give them a lot, and it goes down
Speaker 2: in a couple of days, out of it and disappears
Speaker 2: in three or four months, and they hate it.
Speaker 3: You could actually dissolve.
Speaker 1: Okay, So so you also do light but which we'll
Speaker 1: get into in one second and then I'll let you
Speaker 1: go soon. But the other thing is I heard that
Speaker 1: I thought that. I never knew that BBL was a
Speaker 1: Brazilian butt lift. I just someone. I didn't know that
Speaker 1: that's what that stood for. But that looks like something
Speaker 1: you just go in somewhere they inject something in your ass,
Speaker 1: will come out and you look braziliant. But it's very
Speaker 1: dangerous and.
Speaker 2: Serious, very dangerous, and most guys are not doing that.
Speaker 2: Most physicians are not doing Brazilian butt lifts. It's it's
Speaker 2: it's a dangerous procedure. There are some people maybe in
Speaker 2: great hands, they do it well, but that's not something
Speaker 2: I'm ever going to recommend to somebody.
Speaker 3: I think it. There's been too many, there's been you know,
Speaker 3: actually reported debts with that for it.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. That sounds to me like just like
Speaker 1: going to get your boobs done. I heard. It's not
Speaker 1: like that. It's very serious.
Speaker 3: It's totally not that. And a lot of people who
Speaker 3: did it before are not doing it now.
Speaker 1: Wow, And you think that, like that's the Kardashians. The
Speaker 1: butts are definitely like Brazilian butt lifts. What else would
Speaker 1: there be.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know what else it could possibly be.
Speaker 2: You know, putting sculpture in and keep you have to
Speaker 2: keep putting it in at me six months and and
Speaker 2: building up that way. There are ways of building up
Speaker 2: a buttops besides that. But so I talked to me
Speaker 2: to tell you what they actually had.
Speaker 1: But obviously something you have to do.
Speaker 3: Something's either being doing continuously or.
Speaker 1: It stayed okay, And have you noticed it different? So
Speaker 1: I heard an article that the food supply in this country,
Speaker 1: it's ozempic, is affecting what's going on at supermarkets. So
Speaker 1: people are purchasing thirty percent less food. It makes sense.
Speaker 1: I would have never thought of this, but like thirty
Speaker 1: percent less food because of ozempic. Now I'm seeing these housewives,
Speaker 1: not some I'm seeing housewives former housewives. They don't even
Speaker 1: look like themselves. They're almost like little children. Like I'm thin,
Speaker 1: and I know that, but I've always been thin, so
Speaker 1: it sort of like works on me, like I'm either
Speaker 1: a couple of pounds heavier, a couple of pence thinner.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's just my eye seeing it,
Speaker 1: or if it's actually strange and unnatural like previously somewhat
Speaker 1: thin people, or maybe they were like, you know, a
Speaker 1: size that was totally reasonable and not overweight, and now
Speaker 1: they look like they're like young children. It looks bizarre
Speaker 1: to me, and I don't I don't. I want to
Speaker 1: know if that's affecting you. And like light bull and plastic.
Speaker 2: They look them they look them emaciated okay that's the word, okay,
Speaker 2: And and they don't look like themselves. But sometimes they're
Speaker 2: thin in the body and they look going through the face.
Speaker 2: So when they come in I kind of fix their
Speaker 2: face up, meaning I give them a little I plump
Speaker 2: up their skin and give a little definition around the
Speaker 2: jaw line, because all of a sudden everything starts.
Speaker 3: To hang, you know.
Speaker 1: It's you know, oh yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean you start losing the structure that your skin hangs on,
Speaker 2: and skin becomes very very loose, and really it just hangs.
Speaker 1: It's drastic. If your body's been in the same body
Speaker 1: for fifty years and then you decide to like have
Speaker 1: drastic twenty five pounds weight loss, there's going to be
Speaker 1: something that's so true.
Speaker 3: You know, most people.
Speaker 2: In earlier years, like you know, forties, fifty sixties, it's
Speaker 2: the neck that goes okay, And I think I once
Speaker 2: told you about. I'm excited about a new procedure we
Speaker 2: just have now. It's called my elevate. It's a very
Speaker 2: simple procedure. You ever see the bands on your neck here?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you I have. You've got to get done, and
Speaker 3: you have little so it's a little suture that he
Speaker 3: goes across, comes across here, and it cuts the bands
Speaker 3: and the bands go up and bands go down, and
Speaker 3: you go around with.
Speaker 2: The suture underneath the skin. You tie the skin tight. Yeah,
Speaker 2: of course, it's beautiful. It's an hour procedure. So instead
Speaker 2: of getting cut your neck, you know, whole neck here
Speaker 2: and get cut here and to pull your neck back
Speaker 2: and and that's you know, it's a major surgery. This
Speaker 2: is a local anesthesia. This is a suture that cuts
Speaker 2: the skin. It's a brochure, but it's my elevate my
Speaker 2: elevate a little piece of tape here for three days
Speaker 2: and it gets rid of the bands and it tightens
Speaker 2: the skin underneath.
Speaker 3: It doesn't do anything for the drawer line. It's the
Speaker 3: skin underneath your neck.
Speaker 2: And what you do is I do it with light
Speaker 2: bul suction. So I will do that in a light
Speaker 2: ol suction. The drawing mine as well, and any fat
Speaker 2: in the neck. And you do that combination together. And
Speaker 2: we sometimes will do that with vavashi, which is a
Speaker 2: lake he said, tightens the skin as well.
Speaker 3: You do all three the same time and you get
Speaker 3: a tight net.
Speaker 2: And basically it's surgery, but it's it's on the local anesthesia.
Speaker 1: It's called okay. And then and you guys do I
Speaker 1: did m skulp, But you have to stick to it.
Speaker 1: I did it once or twice. I'm like, it squeezes
Speaker 1: your stomach and it squeezes you, but it's like it's
Speaker 1: doing the push ups for you.
Speaker 3: It's you know, it's you know, it's an easy way
Speaker 3: out of going to the gym, but it's also gets
Speaker 3: you going. Once you see some results, you go to
Speaker 3: the gym. Because I know, when I don't go to
Speaker 3: the gym, I don't go to the gym. When I
Speaker 3: start going to the gym, I don't want to miss
Speaker 3: the gym.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, just gives you.
Speaker 3: A jump start, excuse me, a jump start.
Speaker 1: Okay, and then I don't go. But that thing, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been on that thing, but it's it's it's literally
Speaker 1: a pain in the ass.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: And then last, but probably not least, the strings. I
Speaker 1: know that you're against those strings that make people like
Speaker 1: look cold and weird.
Speaker 3: I've never been a thrigg guy, you know, taking those
Speaker 3: sings and throwing it across the cheek line or jaw line,
Speaker 3: and they don't last. They have a tenny none of
Speaker 3: the last about three four months. That's it. Because if
Speaker 3: you notice, when the people put the string in, they
Speaker 3: also give you phillip.
Speaker 2: Very rarely does someone do string without doing filler. And
Speaker 2: it's really the filler that does most of the job.
Speaker 2: The string is like a little addedive thing.
Speaker 3: And and I've seen too many people where they have
Speaker 3: the string and the string, you know, tendency to poke
Speaker 3: out over a period of time. It looks like it
Speaker 3: comes to pokes out like a splinter. How do you
Speaker 3: get it?
Speaker 2: It depends how it's put in, of course not it
Speaker 2: doesn't happen to everybody, but I've seen enough people where
Speaker 2: that happens. Or if someone goes like this with the
Speaker 2: hand and the strings across here, the string pops.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you know the string even though it hears
Speaker 3: uh as you go like this, it's easy to pop.
Speaker 1: You get it in?
Speaker 3: How they get it? Get it in out?
Speaker 1: How do you get the string in and out? What
Speaker 1: it's like.
Speaker 3: It's just a little opening with a little oak anesthesia.
Speaker 2: And you stick the string and you you're threaded through
Speaker 2: the through the area you want to go. And then
Speaker 2: and then you push down and it has a locking mechanism. Okay,
Speaker 2: and then you pull on it.
Speaker 3: And it tightens the skin. It tightens it because it
Speaker 3: locks in underneath your skin.
Speaker 1: So when do you study bob wire.
Speaker 3: It goes like bobed wire. It goes underneath the skin
Speaker 3: and locks in, but it can it could break. But
Speaker 3: more importantly, I find that it just doesn't last that long.
Speaker 3: We do it. It pushes me to do it. I'll
Speaker 3: do it, but I also do with filler, and I'll
Speaker 3: do with all the other things I like to do
Speaker 3: with some of the lasers and the tightening. Not just
Speaker 3: thread alone, but the one thing I do thread alone
Speaker 3: is the one I just said. The my elevate is
Speaker 3: also a thread, but it's it's a polyastic braided thread
Speaker 3: that lasts indefinite. There's no reaction to it. It's underneath
Speaker 3: the skin and so.
Speaker 1: Many years things that just you don't have to do again.
Speaker 1: Like you like you want to do silicon properly so
Speaker 1: you don't have to do it. I like that. I
Speaker 1: agree with that. I don't want to go in. I don't.
Speaker 1: I got my hair cut and colored for the first time,
Speaker 1: like with intention in five years. Like to go to
Speaker 1: somebody and be like, hi, somebody, what are we going
Speaker 1: to do today? Like it's just been drive by trims
Speaker 1: or coloring it myself. It was a disaster. So I'm
Speaker 1: I like to rather go do something and it's gonna
Speaker 1: last for a really long time. How do you have
Speaker 1: time to study all this science when you're working in
Speaker 1: the office.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, obviously there's weekends and that's my
Speaker 2: time on Mondays. My time Mondays is put together all
Speaker 2: the different you know, lasers that come out, different procedures
Speaker 2: that come out, and go through the journals and just
Speaker 2: making sure that that I'm up to date.
Speaker 3: You know. It's it's easy in this world and things
Speaker 3: are moving so fast, especially technology wise, that you've got
Speaker 3: to be up on it, Okay, you know, I.
Speaker 1: Will say I always say that to people. You're like, listen,
Speaker 1: you play basketball, you got a cool sun whatever. You
Speaker 1: go out and you're out about town or all the
Speaker 1: cool restaurants. You're like a skin dork.
Speaker 3: You really are.
Speaker 1: You go to those conferences, those like boring medical conferences
Speaker 1: and learn all that stuff, like I do think, and
Speaker 1: you're not into all the gimmicks, which I do like
Speaker 1: some gimmicks because you've got to be into some gimmicks
Speaker 1: and you got to you can't be like, you know,
Speaker 1: have a simple you know, what's it called placard on
Speaker 1: the door. But I feel like you're based in science
Speaker 1: and you do study a lot.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think we've been ahead of the game,
Speaker 2: like liposuction. I was one of the first guys in
Speaker 2: nineteen eight hinty eighty five to do liposuction. You know,
Speaker 2: we have an accredit operating room, so it's safe, and
Speaker 2: you know, of course, the skincare line was one of
Speaker 2: the first. And I think pretty much every lazer that
Speaker 2: comes out, we get it right at the beginning. That's
Speaker 2: good and bad because when you get a laser in
Speaker 2: the beginning, you're also testing it out.
Speaker 3: Even though you'll be tested out, but you're testing out
Speaker 3: in your own hands. Yeah, until you become familiar.
Speaker 2: And then when you become familiar, that same laser works
Speaker 2: so much better for you later on because you have
Speaker 2: learned how to use it. Okay, it's like getting into
Speaker 2: a car.
Speaker 1: Okay, So well, I think you're great. I've always liked you.
Speaker 1: I met you years ago, and I'm out in the
Speaker 1: city all the time. But when I am and ken,
Speaker 1: you're the only like dermatologist that I have. You know,
Speaker 1: that's like a unless it's like can someone come over
Speaker 1: to the house and uh do the botox for the jaw,
Speaker 1: which I don't always love. I think you're you're You're good.
Speaker 1: I think it's not easy to stay ahead of it.
Speaker 1: I think you're doing a good job, and I think
Speaker 1: your products are really really good. And I have to
Speaker 1: say that my daughter was I don't want to talk
Speaker 1: about her that much with this, but she was experiencing
Speaker 1: some skin issues, as an girl her age does. And
Speaker 1: it was right before back to school, and like she
Speaker 1: was had been in camp and had like this terrible
Speaker 1: thing happened from this dirty room and I was apoplectic.
Speaker 1: And it was two days before school and I called Howard.
Speaker 1: He was home in his house in the Hampton's and
Speaker 1: I'm like, we have to come over. He was his
Speaker 1: son was there. I was like, this is like, we
Speaker 1: have to come over. And you were like wearing normal clothes.
Speaker 1: I had this like toolkit that I literally bought myself
Speaker 1: at a drug store. And you really helped her out.
Speaker 1: And she really likes you, and you know your good dad,
Speaker 1: and she liked coming in and like being like, well, no,
Speaker 1: I want to go to doctor Solby. I have his products,
Speaker 1: and she's got your closin in the friege and so
Speaker 1: like she's so nice, is my kid.
Speaker 3: She's a good girl. You know.
Speaker 2: I wanted to mention because you and I talked about
Speaker 2: it with COVID and a lot of people. Thirty percent
Speaker 2: of people that have COVID have been having hair loss
Speaker 2: problems and over a real long period of time. And
Speaker 2: the only real answer for that was no real answer
Speaker 2: to hair loss was was you know doing PRP when
Speaker 2: you take the blood from someone's vein and then you
Speaker 2: spin it down, you get the plasmah and the plasma
Speaker 2: has a growth factors. That was so painful when I
Speaker 2: did it on my own scalp several times, it was
Speaker 2: very painful, and it works. It slows down the hair loss,
Speaker 2: it increases the diameter.
Speaker 3: Of the hair.
Speaker 2: When you get regrowth, it's questionable, but somebody that came
Speaker 2: out about six months ago.
Speaker 3: We have the first machine. It's called Altlet head t
Speaker 3: ED and the what it does is it actually you
Speaker 3: get the growth factors from the company that you order
Speaker 3: me automatically get from your plasma. You put it on
Speaker 3: the scalp and by ultrasound it delivers the product into
Speaker 3: the scalp, into the hair filecle and you're getting the
Speaker 3: same results that you see with p r P, which
Speaker 3: means decrease hair loss, increasing the diameter of the hair.
Speaker 3: And we also what we also do is give you
Speaker 3: a topical as well, different topical.
Speaker 1: For female definitely women. I have hair. I love that,
Speaker 1: and we'll talk.
Speaker 3: About women than men because women have a tendency just to.
Speaker 2: Thin out in the front. And then the light shines
Speaker 2: on the head. You can see the scalp.
Speaker 1: Right here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it it looks full.
Speaker 2: But also his hand lost nones and it doesn't hurt.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm into that. And another time we'll talk
Speaker 1: about like what your perceived other reactions to the vaccine
Speaker 1: not getting it, Like not that you're being political, but
Speaker 1: I have seen a lot of different stuff in my
Speaker 1: own life and looked online and this was amazing. Uh.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I have your retinol. I need
Speaker 1: to get it now that you were.
Speaker 3: Selling yea col coal, just send it to you.
Speaker 1: Awesome, this was really good, like really great. Oh, where
Speaker 1: can they get your products? That's what I want to know.
Speaker 1: Where can they get your own that.
Speaker 3: They can order from my office? Or dot com would
Speaker 3: probably be the easiest.
Speaker 1: So for a dot com they love for perfect Okay, yeah, yeah, fantastic,
Speaker 1: talk to you later
Speaker 3: Okay, bye bye,