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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 3: Guys, Welcome into a free agency edition of Chargers Weekly.

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Speaker 4: This is a fluid week.

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Speaker 3: As always, joined by the Voice of the Chargers, Matt

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Speaker 3: Mudey Smith the on location doing some hoops this week.

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Speaker 2: And money so much to get into.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to date this podcast, so I figured

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Speaker 3: we just just go back to you know, it's just

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Speaker 3: really hard to do a podcast like this when something

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Speaker 3: is gonna happen, probably when we log off. But let's

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Speaker 3: just go back to Sunday starting with Davante Adams and

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Speaker 3: DK Metcaleff going off the board, Davante obviously going to

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Speaker 3: the Rams, DK going to Pittsburgh for a second round pick.

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Speaker 4: We thought that maybe both of these guys would be

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Speaker 4: in play for the Chargers.

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Speaker 3: Just your reaction to those first dominoes falling, which kind

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Speaker 3: of leads us to free agency.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I think they were in play. I think

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Speaker 1: they absolutely were in play for the Chargers. I would

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Speaker 1: imagine they reached out to DeVante, made an offer, and

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Speaker 1: I think ultimately he just wanted to be a Ram

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Speaker 1: That's my guess. That's where he wanted to be. It

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Speaker 1: kind of lines up maybe a little bit better you

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Speaker 1: look at how gnarly the AFC is with Baltimore and

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Speaker 1: and then you sort of see that path in the NFC,

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Speaker 1: and I would guess the Rams are probably going to

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Speaker 1: be second or third favorite to win the NFC and

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Speaker 1: make a run at a Super Bowl championship. And I

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Speaker 1: would assume the number, the money, you know, the money

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Speaker 1: was reasonable, twenty six mil guaranteed for two years, you know,

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Speaker 1: average a twenty two per That seemed about right and

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Speaker 1: affordable and probably right in the wheelhouse for Joe Ortiz

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Speaker 1: and the Chargers for a value signing. And Davante, I'm

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Speaker 1: guessing probably just wanted to go to the Rams. As

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Speaker 1: far as DK I'm guessing they made the same offer

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Speaker 1: a two and they were ready to give him the contract,

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Speaker 1: and the Steelers pick was just higher. And that's why

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Speaker 1: obviously the Seahawks are going to take that pick, because

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Speaker 1: it's a couple of slots ahead of where the Chargers were,

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Speaker 1: and I just don't think they were comfortable, you know,

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Speaker 1: sweetening the pot to give more than what the Steelers

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Speaker 1: I just don't think they want to chase it. I

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Speaker 1: think they're fine looking for value signings. They probably have

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Speaker 1: their budget for each player and that's what they want

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Speaker 1: to spend on these players. And the market always goes

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Speaker 1: crazy and the Ravens have never been one of those

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Speaker 1: teams that overpays, and I think sho Heurtez has brought

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Speaker 1: that here as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you just hit it on the head.

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Speaker 3: As we get into free agency, obviously we know the

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Speaker 3: cap space that the Chargers possess right now, but at

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Speaker 3: the same time, it's very it's very difficult sometimes, I

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Speaker 3: think to just be patient in free agency because you know,

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Speaker 3: with the tampering window in the first couple of waves,

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Speaker 3: you see all these names coming off the board and

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Speaker 3: you're like, Okay, why aren't the Chargers in on some

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Speaker 4: Well, you just hit it on the head. Do Orti's

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Speaker 4: comes from the school.

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Speaker 3: Of Baltimore Ravens, where they value their picks, they value

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Speaker 3: comp picks. They have a ton of space, but they

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Speaker 3: also have to pay guys like Khalil Mack, who they paid.

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Speaker 3: They have to pay with Shawn Slater. Rashaun Slater's not free, right,

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Speaker 3: so that's going to have to So I look at

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Speaker 2: So I think the.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it's it's tough to get across because we're living

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Speaker 3: in the moment of free agency now. But I say,

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Speaker 3: let's judge what Joe Hurtiz does with this roster at

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Speaker 3: the end of the draft, because there's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the one thing you don't want to

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Speaker 1: That's that's the the main concern, right is you want

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Speaker 1: now look, I think that's still very much in play.

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Speaker 1: And I think there's still value with Abuka, with with

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Speaker 1: know Evan Ingram made a visit to the Chargers. I'd

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Speaker 1: love to see that done. And you know, to me,

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Speaker 1: takes you out of feeling pressure to draft Colston Lovelin

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Speaker 1: Like I think if you can do that, then you

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Speaker 1: there's value out there on the old line. The old

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Speaker 1: it's go to do is just cost him more money.

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Speaker 1: You know, as soon as the Laramie Tunzel deal gets done,

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Speaker 1: he's going to be the highest paid left tackle, and

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Speaker 1: then Rashawn's gonna want to be the highest paid left tackle.

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Speaker 1: So like, get that thing done sooner than later. So

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Speaker 1: he's locked up, and then you can go into the

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Speaker 1: that work? After his first sort of healthy season last

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Speaker 1: there's still players out there, and I think the idea,

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Speaker 1: don't feel like, all right, twenty two, we got to

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Speaker 1: you want to get those positions filled, so you can

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Speaker 3: Just going back to the receivers, you named a bunch

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Speaker 3: of guys that are that are currently understrict to free agents.

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Speaker 3: I'd also just say this, I think it would be,

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Speaker 3: in my opinion, cap malpractice for the Bengals to pay

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Speaker 3: T Higgins over thirty million dollars a year and to

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Speaker 2: So I'm not convinced that both of those.

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Speaker 4: Guys are going to be Cincinnati Bengals by draft Day.

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't know if Brandon Ayuk's going to

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Speaker 3: Hill could still be on the move. We've seen some

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Speaker 3: idea Mry Tunzel was available for the Commanders, So there

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Speaker 3: could be moves that come out of left field that

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Speaker 3: we're just not aware of. The Chargers have the cap

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Speaker 3: space to maybe make a move like that, to maybe

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Speaker 3: we've talked about Garrett Wilson and Chris Alave. Who knows

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Speaker 3: piggyback off your point with not having a pressure to

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Speaker 3: the Niji Harris deal, it's fantastic. It's essentially a one

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Speaker 3: it doesn't I think take you out of the running

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Speaker 3: So I think there's a lot of flexibility here at

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Speaker 3: small example of what you're talking about is they don't

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Speaker 3: you don't want to have to force yourself to pick

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Speaker 4: At twenty two, I think the Chargers have enough time

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. Like we said, there's

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Speaker 1: I think that's what happened is everybody saw the ninety

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Speaker 1: they tried to. I think they tried to get Metcalf,

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Speaker 1: spend it. Why are we not spending it? And for me,

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Speaker 1: what I would assume the approach is, like we talked

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Speaker 1: be like a seven to eight million dollar a year player.

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Speaker 1: The guy got seventy seven million bucks from the Packers.

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Speaker 1: Like Dan Moore is a two year, twenty five million

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Speaker 1: gave up twelve sacks last year, had a pressure rate

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Speaker 1: that like, like that's what we're talking about. Like there's

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Speaker 1: no way that Joe Ortiez was going to do that.

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Speaker 1: So I think when you're saying, well, how are you

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Speaker 1: going to spend the money now, well, you got Dante Jackson.

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, hopefully it'll be in Evan Ingram,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be Najie Harris, it's gonna be three for ones.

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Speaker 1: That's what we're gonna be talking about. They have you

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Speaker 1: know what, do we have twenty six free agents on

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Speaker 1: this team? Twenty three free agents on the team. Whatever

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Speaker 1: volume and trying to find you know, if Chad Alexander's

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Speaker 1: Are there other center options that you're going to try

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Speaker 1: to chase down. I think that's the sort of stuff

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Speaker 1: can get on value. He's an LSU kid that played

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Speaker 1: last year, had some tackling issues. We feel like we

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Speaker 1: can coach him out of that. With Coach Clink and

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Speaker 1: Jesse Minner, So let's bring him in. He's a four

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Speaker 1: a really odd contract that you'd be taking on. But

431
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Speaker 1: who knows, you know, who knows what their what their

432
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Speaker 1: plan is going to be. But that's I'm kind of

433
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Speaker 1: veering off off track here. I think. I think the

434
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Speaker 1: point of this pod is to say, yeah, we'd like

435
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Speaker 1: to be talking about Will Fries and Drew Dolman and

436
00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:55,720
Speaker 1: DJ Reid and DeVante Adams, and it's just, you know,

437
00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,920
Speaker 1: wasn't in the cards. Either choice made by that individ

438
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Speaker 1: of where they wanted to go and sign instead, or

439
00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,560
Speaker 1: the market got crazy specifically for offensive line, and a

440
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Speaker 1: guy like Ryan Kelly, who is thinking about retirement, is

441
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Speaker 1: now making thirteen million bucks a year. You know, like

442
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Speaker 1: that's just what the market turned into. And I just

443
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Speaker 1: don't think Joe Ortiz is the kind of guy that's

444
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Speaker 1: going to throw crazy money at something that's such an

445
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Speaker 1: uncertainty you have.

446
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Speaker 3: Just roughly I don't even know the number right now

447
00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,879
Speaker 3: because it is so fluid, but you know roughly eighteen

448
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,680
Speaker 3: to twenty unrestricted free agents from last year, and the

449
00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,960
Speaker 3: reason those guys aren't being signed right now is they're

450
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Speaker 3: gauging they're worth on the open market, and I'm sure

451
00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,240
Speaker 3: there's a number that the Charger would like to have

452
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Speaker 3: them back at. We saw nickname and go to the Texans,

453
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Speaker 3: which is a big blow from a special team's perspective.

454
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Speaker 3: You know, Joshua Palmer obviously going to the Bills. Happy

455
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,360
Speaker 3: for him getting closer to Canada and wish him the best.

456
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Speaker 3: For josh Allen, and we talked about Bosa, you know,

457
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Speaker 3: from a running back perspective, love, I'd love to see

458
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Speaker 3: JK back that. You know, they do need a home

459
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Speaker 3: run threat to compliment Najie Harris. I think is career

460
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,200
Speaker 3: long rush is like thirty six yards, So you know,

461
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Speaker 3: whether you get that in the draft or not, that's

462
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Speaker 3: something to look at.

463
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Speaker 4: But I'm with you money, they absolutely need to get.

464
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Speaker 3: Justin Herbert more weapons, and I think veteran weapons, and

465
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Speaker 3: that will probably come here in the next week, I

466
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Speaker 3: would imagine.

467
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Speaker 2: I don't know who it's going to be. I don't

468
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Speaker 2: know if it's gonna be via trade. I don't know

469
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Speaker 2: if it's gonna.

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Speaker 3: Be the guys that are currently out there, but just

471
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,120
Speaker 3: they need to build out that room with some veterans

472
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Speaker 3: that Justin can trust to compliment lad.

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Speaker 2: You know we've talked about that extra receiver.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if there's one out there in free

475
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Speaker 3: agency that would be a surefire starter right now, but

476
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Speaker 3: getting somebody at you know, whether even like Mike Williams

477
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Speaker 3: Laton free agency, if he's still around and Justin is

478
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Speaker 3: familiar with him and he can take a small deal

479
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Speaker 3: than great.

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Speaker 2: But I guess you're right.

481
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Speaker 3: The point the point of this is that I certainly

482
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Speaker 3: don't want to judge an offseason until after the draft. Right,

483
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Speaker 3: they got three more picks from the competitory picks, so

484
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Speaker 3: they have ten picks in this We've seen AJ Brown,

485
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 3: Hollywood Brown get traded for our draft day and A J.

486
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 2: Brown just won a Super Bowl. So there's a lot of.

487
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Speaker 3: Points within the offseason where deals can get done and

488
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Speaker 3: it doesn't happen the first few days. So let's evaluate

489
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Speaker 3: the interior offensive line at the end of the draft.

490
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Speaker 3: Let's evaluate the wide receiver position at the end of

491
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Speaker 3: the draft. And if by then it's it's bear and

492
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Speaker 3: there aren't moves made, then I think we can have

493
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Speaker 3: a conversation of like, hey man, I don't know, I

494
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Speaker 3: don't know what's gonna happen this year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again I'm not saying I don't understand the

496
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Speaker 1: frustration of the fans. I get it. When you've got

497
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Speaker 1: all that money and you see that your team is

498
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Speaker 1: fifth in cap space available, you're expecting a big name,

499
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Speaker 1: you know, at that first wave. You want to be

500
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Speaker 1: in the Milton Williams conversation. You want to be in

501
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Speaker 1: the you know, Devonte Adams conversation. I get it. And

502
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Speaker 1: now we just see that Nickneman signs with the Texan

503
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Speaker 1: So their best special teams player is leaving. To me,

504
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Speaker 1: that means Troy Die has got to come back. You

505
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Speaker 1: got it, you know, because you want to get that

506
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 1: linebacker level special team's a solid third linebacker and Nick,

507
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Speaker 1: good for him, stoked that he got that kind of

508
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,679
Speaker 1: money as someone who played very limited and that's probably

509
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Speaker 1: a big thing for Nick too, is I'm sure they

510
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Speaker 1: wanted to bring him back, and that's a very reasonable number.

511
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Speaker 1: But the Texans probably said, hey, you got an opportunity

512
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Speaker 1: to play linebacker here, and I think the Chargers would say, hey,

513
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 1: we got Junior and day On and you know it's

514
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Speaker 1: going to be a predominantly special teams role, in a

515
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Speaker 1: backup role. So I think that's something to remember. You're

516
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Speaker 1: like how they let Nickneman go. Well, imagine if the

517
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Speaker 1: money's the same and you got one team saying we've

518
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Speaker 1: got Dan Henley and Junior Colston, those are our linebackers

519
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Speaker 1: and the other team is saying you're going to be

520
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Speaker 1: on the field for thirty plus snaps per game. Yeah,

521
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 1: of course he's going to go. So all of that

522
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Speaker 1: stuff comes into play. But I'm hopeful, especially just because

523
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Speaker 1: Troy's a local guy, got to come back home. Played

524
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Speaker 1: great last year. Same thing with Tier Tart. Like that's

525
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Speaker 1: a perfect example. Right, everybody's upset about Puna and I

526
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 1: get that, but to me, Tierra was as important. You

527
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Speaker 1: know how I feel about Tart. They're the number one

528
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 1: so to me, because that's juice, it's it's POONA was

529
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Speaker 1: solid and he was great this year. But man, Tart

530
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Speaker 1: when he was on the Field gave this team juice,

531
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Speaker 1: and that's what I'm looking for. That's what I want

532
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Speaker 1: to find for this team. And that's why when I

533
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Speaker 1: think about the draft, I think about those playmakers, you know,

534
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: and I think about backs like Tuton, but even with

535
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: the injuries and with the fumble concerns, just four to

536
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: two speed man, you know, Samson four to four speed,

537
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 1: like Trayveon Henderson four to three speed. Like that's sort

538
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 1: of what I'm thinking about. Is someone that that defenses

539
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,880
Speaker 1: are like, oh crap, if this guy gets behind McConkey,

540
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: if McConkie gets us on a whip route, he's gone.

541
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Speaker 1: So don't like and it freaks you out, And like

542
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Speaker 1: that's the sort of stuff that that I'd love to see.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Also with the draft, like where would the Charges

544
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 3: have been without Joe Alt this year?

545
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 4: Where would they have been without Lad McConkey.

546
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Speaker 2: Where would they have.

547
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Speaker 3: Been without Tarhee's still winning them the game in Atlanta?

548
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 3: Like there's going to be difference makers that this team

549
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 3: drafts here in a little bit. So this this roster

550
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 3: is far from complete. Getting Khalil back is huge, and

551
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Speaker 3: I don't think Khalil would have signed back here if

552
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Speaker 3: he thought that he didn't have a chance to win

553
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Speaker 3: a Super Bowl, maybe in his last year of his

554
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Speaker 3: NFL career.

555
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Speaker 2: I don't know how long he's going to play, but

556
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Speaker 2: a one year deal.

557
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Speaker 3: You know that he has a great deal of confidence

558
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 3: in Jim Harball and Joe Ortiz. And you know, we

559
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Speaker 3: just wait, man, we wait. Yeah, we may be doing

560
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Speaker 3: an emergency pod tomorrow or early next week.

561
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Speaker 1: You never know, yeah, exactly. And I think, like I said,

562
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Speaker 1: there are still players available in free agency. I pull

563
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 1: up the best available so here, I'm just going to

564
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 1: scroll through it. That I could still see them chasing.

565
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Speaker 1: I already mentioned Amari Cooper, I think is more likely

566
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 1: than Stefan Diggs, but I could see them kicking the

567
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: tires on Stefan Diggs. I mentioned the guards, Tevin Jenkins,

568
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Speaker 1: Kevin Zeigler, Makai Beckton. They're still out there, Edge von Miller,

569
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Speaker 1: Zadarius Smith, o Jalari, like you, Kalaeis Campbell if he's

570
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: interested in taking that poon Afford spot. Still, even though

571
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: he's like thirty freaking nine years old, he's still playing

572
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Speaker 1: an incredibly high level. Brandon Sheriff at guard. You know,

573
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Speaker 1: I don't I would love to see JK back. I

574
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Speaker 1: just don't. I don't think I see it. I think

575
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Speaker 1: when you've got a guy that signed a deal that's

576
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Speaker 1: got four million bucks and incentives, he's expecting to get

577
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Speaker 1: those carries to reach those incentives. And so you're not

578
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Speaker 1: bringing JK is a one. You know, you're bringing JK

579
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Speaker 1: into beat the one. And Gus Edwards was kind of like,

580
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: you know, Nase is not Gus Edwards to JK. Dobbins,

581
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: like that's not how you work this deal out with

582
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Speaker 1: the agent for a guy that's that young. He's going

583
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Speaker 1: to want to make all four million bucks of those

584
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Speaker 1: incentives and he's going to want to you know, So

585
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Speaker 1: I don't see that in the cards. I'm just kind

586
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: of going through ingram. We talked about make it Happen.

587
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 1: I think that's such a perfect fit. Not crazy about

588
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 1: Deontay Johnson. It just got two sideways on him at

589
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: will Hernandez. There you go another guard that I could

590
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: totally see them getting app for. You already talked about

591
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: Mike Williams, and I apologize for all the word salad here,

592
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: but as I'm just kind of scrolling through this because

593
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: it's on the computer, behind me. Brandon Cooks knows that

594
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 1: it's possibility. Got some speed there, still has a little

595
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: bit left. You can probably make that work for me.

596
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Speaker 2: I can see that Cooper Cup money anything.

597
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: Absolutely I forgot about that it's done. I would love it.

598
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: I would absolutely love it. Guy that's always in the

599
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: right place at the right time, runs Chris routes. We

600
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: know how accurate Herbert is. Probably wants to stay in

601
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. If you can take that money that you

602
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 1: were going to give to Davante and put it into

603
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: a situation where it's it's earned based on gameplay, you know,

604
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: based on availability, and you can make that work. With

605
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: love of I think Cooper Cup would be a great fit.

606
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: Now again, I've talked about speed and trying to find

607
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: that take that that's not Cooper Cup, but just a

608
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: guy that's available, a guy that runs great routes, a

609
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: guy that catches everything, a guy that's great in the

610
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: red zone. All that stuff helps this team. So yeah,

611
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup to me makes perfect sense. You know, put

612
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: him out there with Lad and Q and like I said,

613
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: you can still draft that wide receiver and I would

614
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 1: not have a problem with that at all. As I

615
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: keep going through this. Yeah, there's plenty, dude, there's there

616
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: are still a lot of players all those one hundred

617
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: that are left on this PFF line where I can

618
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: I can totally see Tim Patricks got some juice at

619
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: the wide receiver position that you could probably get at

620
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: a pretty low number. So yeah, I think there's still

621
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: still plenty of players available that I could see them

622
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Speaker 1: signing and be saying, yeah, love it.

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Speaker 4: You know.

624
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Speaker 1: I think Kevin Zeitdler's plug and play guard. Same with

625
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Speaker 1: McKay Beckon saying with Tevin Jenkins, I think they become

626
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: immediate starters. So like to me, that's that's that's all

627
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: still out there for the interior offensive line.

628
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Speaker 2: All right, you gotta go. You got some games you call.

629
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Speaker 3: We uh, We appreciate you guys listening and watching, hanging

630
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Speaker 3: there with free agency.

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Speaker 2: This is just the beginning, all right. For money on

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Speaker 2: pers This has been charges weekly