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Speaker 1: Of the show, Bryan Alvarez here Wrestling Observer Live. Brandon
Speaker 1: here says, hope you are doing better today, Sir, I
Speaker 1: appreciate that, Brandon. I am doing much better than than
Speaker 1: I was yesterday when the show began, although we turned
Speaker 1: it around to the end, I mean, for crying out loud.
Speaker 1: The show ended with a dynamite lineup, can you imagine?
Speaker 1: And then we already have three matches announced for Collision,
Speaker 1: And we already have three matches announced or three segments
Speaker 1: announced for next week's Dynamite z all a big improvement
Speaker 1: Collision on Saturday as Hangman, Kevin Knight and Mike Bailey
Speaker 1: against Rush Drollistico and the Beast Mortos, Kyle Fletcher against
Speaker 1: a Shee for the TNT title, and Willow Nightingale, Queen
Speaker 1: Amenada and ty Mello versus Tecla, Julie Hart and Skyblue.
Speaker 1: So I guess we gotta talk about al MVP a
Speaker 1: little more. You know, we mentioned this yesterday. There was
Speaker 1: that story out and I don't know where to begin,
Speaker 1: but I guess I'll just begin with the story. The
Speaker 1: story was essentially that there were people that didn't like MVP,
Speaker 1: and there were people MVP didn't like and YouTube feed
Speaker 1: is down. What's going on? Do we have a YouTube feed?
Speaker 1: Let me find out, everybody? Not that the YouTube the
Speaker 1: feed is like a necessarily the best thing when it's
Speaker 1: free sun cast. Do we have YouTube or no? We'll
Speaker 1: see what he says anyway. You may just we're gonna
Speaker 1: have another day like yesterday or what. So here's the deal, MVP. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't even know where to start on this thing.
Speaker 1: So everyone that Chad is is kind of talking about
Speaker 1: how you know Fightful is wrong and this and that,
Speaker 1: and I guess yesterday at uh yesterday on uh at
Speaker 1: some point ever saying YouTube is up? What are you
Speaker 1: guys doing to me here? Trying to screw this whole
Speaker 1: thing up for me?
Speaker 3: Today?
Speaker 1: Apparently YouTube is working. I don't know what some people's
Speaker 1: problem is here, but multiple reports that YouTube is working
Speaker 1: just fine. So I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 1: All Right, here's what I'm gonna do. Let's just let's
Speaker 1: just make this easy for everybody. Some of you might
Speaker 1: have missed the show yesterday. I'll just go and read
Speaker 1: the original story and then go from there. All right,
Speaker 1: report aw roster member has rubbed a lot of people
Speaker 1: the wrong way. It's being reported MVP has quote rubbed
Speaker 1: a lot of people the wrong way backstage in a
Speaker 1: w According to Fightful, this sentiment is been expressed by
Speaker 1: a number of talents on the roster. The Hurt Syndicate
Speaker 1: member has made it known he does not like Speedball
Speaker 1: Mike Bailey and did not want Lashly and Shelton losing
Speaker 1: to Bailey and Kevin Knight. It's not clear why MVP
Speaker 1: dislikes Bailey or hurts indicate was ever actually planned to lose.
Speaker 1: Report also states MVP turned down pitches for the Hurt
Speaker 1: Syndicate to loose to FDR at all In and Forbidden Door.
Speaker 1: MVP reportedly suggested they would rather lose to the Gates
Speaker 1: of Agony Outrunners a private party three teams they've already
Speaker 1: defeated this year. Said to be frustration within the aw
Speaker 1: locker room. The faction beats everyone up high five as
Speaker 1: of fans, does cool moves and they're supposed to be heels,
Speaker 1: and most people have also expressed the environment the company's
Speaker 1: best have been in years, and there's there's plenty more here.
Speaker 1: So yesterday at the show, MVP and Speedball they did
Speaker 1: kind of a little video together. MVP posted a video
Speaker 1: was Instagram showing he, Bobby Lashley and Shelton Benjamin walking
Speaker 1: backstage when they came upon Bailey, who was filming for
Speaker 1: his vlog. MVP then said f you Speedball. Bailey said,
Speaker 1: well fu two MVP. MVP then told Lashly and Benjamin
Speaker 1: to tell him, but they stared at the floor and
Speaker 1: said the same thing. A smiling Bailey says, well, f
Speaker 1: you guys too, before he waved and MVP did the same. So, uh,
Speaker 1: that was. That was on social media yesterday. So you know,
Speaker 1: on the chat here everyone's oh, you know Sean Ross
Speaker 1: Sap and fight ful blah blah blah, wrong this and that. Here.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, everybody, Okay, the story that came out
Speaker 1: was when I read it, it was it was it
Speaker 1: was the details were weird, Okay, Like I talked about yesterday, Listen,
Speaker 1: there's there's all sorts of that have had issues in
Speaker 1: aw and we've heard about them. And it's always a
Speaker 1: situation where okay, whether you agree with one guy or
Speaker 1: whether you agree with the other guy, or one woman
Speaker 1: and another woman. At the end of the day, each
Speaker 1: side has their side of the story about why they're upset. Okay.
Speaker 1: A perfect example would be jungle Boy and cmpunk. Okay,
Speaker 1: Jungle Boy was upset about a decision that cmpunk made.
Speaker 1: He made a comment on television cmpunk didn't like the
Speaker 1: comment that he made on television. They end up having
Speaker 1: a what have you? Okay, so we know the thing happened.
Speaker 1: We know why one side doesn't like the other. We
Speaker 1: know why the other side doesn't like the other. Okay,
Speaker 1: so at least we know everything. You can make your
Speaker 1: decision about whose side you're on. Whatever. Okay, this one
Speaker 1: was weird because it just came out of nowhere. It's
Speaker 1: a very specific story. MVP doesn't like Mike Bailey. There's
Speaker 1: no excep when they as to why he Everything about
Speaker 1: it was weird. Okay. Now, before everybody gets on Fightful
Speaker 1: and before everybody gets on on Sean and whoever else, listen,
Speaker 1: don't think that there aren't people who is who MVP
Speaker 1: has rubbed the wrong way. Okay, he has all right, Now,
Speaker 1: MVP is a guy who's gonna speak his mind. He's
Speaker 1: gonna say what's on his mind. I mean you can
Speaker 1: even see it on television sometimes during this interview segments.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's gonna say what's on his mind. He'll
Speaker 1: do it on commentary, He'll he'll do it on on whatever. Okay, Yes,
Speaker 1: he does rub people the wrong way sometimes, Okay, but
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like he's the only one that's
Speaker 1: That's one of the other reasons the story is so bizarre.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, how many people rub people the
Speaker 1: wrong way in every company. There's a lot of them.
Speaker 1: But anyway, sure, sometimes it happens. I mean, the whole
Speaker 1: situation with Speedball, Mike Bailey and Kevin Knight and the
Speaker 1: Hurt Syndicate, Okay, Jet speed they were gonna get a
Speaker 1: shot at the tag team titles, and if you watch
Speaker 1: the TV, the build was they got beaten and beaten
Speaker 1: and beaten and smashed and humiliated and made it look
Speaker 1: like idiots. We talked about it. It's like, what is
Speaker 1: this booking? Okay, don't think nobody else thought the exact
Speaker 1: same thing. What is this Okay, We've talked about it before.
Speaker 1: How are these guys heels? Like they go out there
Speaker 1: and the people chant for them, and they cheer for
Speaker 1: them to the point where people would argue with me
Speaker 1: that they're actually babyfaces. Okay, they're not. They're supposed to
Speaker 1: be heels. Don't think that That isn't something that people
Speaker 1: talk about, Like why why do they destroy everybody and
Speaker 1: beat everybody down and act cool and like the fans
Speaker 1: cheer them and they bow the baby face. Don't act
Speaker 1: like that's never happened. Okay, it has, all right, But
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think there's this serious issue between
Speaker 1: MVP and Mike Bailey. Maybe maybe there's something there, but clearly,
Speaker 1: I mean, everything's everything's good enough that they that they
Speaker 1: did a segment backstage. Okay. My point is the fact
Speaker 1: that they did that segment for social media doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that the entire rest of the story is made up
Speaker 1: whole cloth. Okay, it's not. Where there's smoke, there's fire.
Speaker 1: There is some heat on MVP. There are some people
Speaker 1: that don't like MVP. There's some people that don't like
Speaker 1: how the hurt business is booked. I mean none, none
Speaker 1: of this is new, is the other thing. It's like,
Speaker 1: why did this all of a sudden come out this week?
Speaker 1: Like we've been talking about it forever. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: I I did you know the report here noted that?
Speaker 1: What did it say here? Like basically he was talking
Speaker 1: about like things things are better backstage than they've been
Speaker 1: in a long time. That's true. I've heard the exact
Speaker 1: same thing. Morale is better now backstage than it's been
Speaker 1: in a long time. Okay. That doesn't mean that everybody
Speaker 1: gets along, it doesn't mean that everything is perfect, okay,
Speaker 1: but it does mean that morale is in general the
Speaker 1: best it's been in a long time. And if you
Speaker 1: watch the show compared to like a year ago, at
Speaker 1: this time, it's like there has been a long, you know,
Speaker 1: six seven month streak of a lot of improvements in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways in aaw and a lot of
Speaker 1: the wrestlers there, you know, they're they're feeling a lot
Speaker 1: more bullish about things than they were a year ago.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, the story was just weird, That's
Speaker 1: what I can tell you. I asked around yesterday. You know,
Speaker 1: there's a little bit to it, a little bit to
Speaker 1: it that's maybe not what was written, but in general,
Speaker 1: like a lot of that is is the way things are.
Speaker 1: Back in the moment they were live.
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Speaker 1: Back here on the show, Ryan Alvarez, You're Wrestling Observer Live.
Speaker 1: To everyone in the chat, it was not a story
Speaker 1: planted by WWE. I mean It's been something that people
Speaker 1: have talked about for a long time in AW but
Speaker 1: like it was never a big deal. It was just
Speaker 1: a thing. It was a thing that people started talking about,
Speaker 1: and it was weird because all of a sudden, like
Speaker 1: if this would have come out right after like the
Speaker 1: Hurt syndicates stomped down Jet Speed for about the third
Speaker 1: straight time, if the next day the story had come
Speaker 1: out had been like, okay, that makes sense. But the
Speaker 1: weird thing was it just came out of nowhere on
Speaker 1: a random day. And I mean it was just like,
Speaker 1: it's not that big a deal, and I don't know why.
Speaker 1: It was just like such a thing all of a sudden.
Speaker 1: But no, it did not come from WWE. People in
Speaker 1: AW been talking about it for a long time now
Speaker 1: speaking of WWE, since we didn't even well some of
Speaker 1: you heard about it. But here's a gist of the
Speaker 1: ESPN deal and also some other notes. So it's a
Speaker 1: one point six billion dollar a year over five years,
Speaker 1: three hundred and twenty five million dollars a year. The
Speaker 1: major ple is at this point ten ples, including the
Speaker 1: two nights of WrestleMania and the two nights of SummerSlam
Speaker 1: are all going to be on this new ESPN streaming service.
Speaker 1: It's not ESPN Plus or whatever. It's a new service.
Speaker 1: It is going to launch on August twenty first. It'll
Speaker 1: be thirty dollars a month. Okay. Now, if you have
Speaker 1: ESPN on your cable package at this point, maybe about
Speaker 1: forty percent of you that have ESPN, depending on your provider,
Speaker 1: you won't have to pay anything. This will be part
Speaker 1: of your package. Okay. Now, the thing hasn't even launched
Speaker 1: yet and they're still doing negotiations. So whatever is the
Speaker 1: Whatever is the deal today, don't worry about it. Worry
Speaker 1: about it as we get closer to WrestleMania if you
Speaker 1: still don't have access to it, because for example, I
Speaker 1: have YouTube TV, and right now, if I have YouTube TV,
Speaker 1: even though it's got the ESPN packages, I will still
Speaker 1: have to pay thirty dollars a month for this service today.
Speaker 1: They could make a deal tomorrow. They can make a
Speaker 1: deal next week. By the time WrestleMania rolls around, which
Speaker 1: is when this thing is going to launch. Probably most
Speaker 1: if you have the ESPN package, most of the cable services,
Speaker 1: you will get this as part of your package. Right now,
Speaker 1: It's not that way but I wouldn't panic about it yet.
Speaker 1: So a couple of a couple of other notes. First off,
Speaker 1: we don't know anything about the video library yet, we
Speaker 1: don't know anything about NXT. They're obviously still shopping things around.
Speaker 1: It's possible the library may end up on Peacock. Possible
Speaker 1: nxt pls may also stream on Peacock. They may go
Speaker 1: to Netflix. I mean, there's a lot of different options available.
Speaker 1: They're going to go wherever the money is the highest,
Speaker 1: which is should not come as a surprise to anybody.
Speaker 1: Apparently in the negotiations, Peacock did make an offer, and
Speaker 1: I guess the offer was allegedly in the neighborhood of
Speaker 1: about two hundred and seventy five million a year, and
Speaker 1: WWE wanted more, obviously, and they ended up getting the
Speaker 1: three hundred twenty five million, and that's why they went
Speaker 1: to ESPN over Peacock. Obviously, of Peacock at our for
Speaker 1: four hundred million a year, they'd have stayed, but they didn't.
Speaker 1: And and apparently they also we were potentially shopping around
Speaker 1: WrestleMania as a separate deal, So for example, you know,
Speaker 1: they might have been willing to stay with Peacock but
Speaker 1: we're going to give ESPN WrestleMania for X amount per year.
Speaker 1: That was something that was discussed, but they ended up
Speaker 1: they ended up going all in with with ESPN. So
Speaker 1: that's the gist of it, and where everything falls out
Speaker 1: we shall learn as the months go on. I think
Speaker 1: one of the biggest stories is that, you know, this
Speaker 1: was a this is a one point six billion dollar deal,
Speaker 1: one point six billion dollars. And yesterday when it came
Speaker 1: out that they had moved from a one billion dollar
Speaker 1: deal to a one point six billion dollar deal, apparently
Speaker 1: the stock dropped because that wasn't a good enough increase
Speaker 1: for investors one billion to one point six billion, And
Speaker 1: so later in the day they actually said that the
Speaker 1: Peacock deal, which had been i mean reported everywhere and
Speaker 1: like in Financial Dog everything that they had claimed that
Speaker 1: it was a billion dollar deal, and because investors were
Speaker 1: not happy, they actually stated yesterday that it really wasn't
Speaker 1: a billion dollars. It was only nine hundred million. Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is supposed to be a publicly traded company,
Speaker 1: the SEC is supposed to be involved in all of this.
Speaker 1: How do you all of a sudden, years after the fact,
Speaker 1: announced that we claimed a billion, but it was actually
Speaker 1: only nine hundred million. How do you get away with this?
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess just nobody cares. But anyway, it
Speaker 1: turns out their Peacock deal was not as good as
Speaker 1: they had claimed for years, which seems incredibly sketchy, but whatever,
Speaker 1: that's what they said. So there you go. One other
Speaker 1: note which kind of ties into this. So the last
Speaker 1: match of John Cena at this point, the last John
Speaker 1: Cena match is going to take place at a Saturday
Speaker 1: Night's main event. Okay, so there had been a lot
Speaker 1: of discussions about his final match being on a December
Speaker 1: pl so at this point there isn't going to be
Speaker 1: a December pl and granted, everything can change, but I
Speaker 1: guess the the way that it works is they had
Speaker 1: agreed to a certain number of ples with Peacock, and
Speaker 1: because of the Evolution pay per view and also the
Speaker 1: second night of SummerSlam, they pretty much they don't need
Speaker 1: a December pl e. They've they've they've hit their quotas,
Speaker 1: so to speak, and so as a result, it appears
Speaker 1: that his final match will be on Saturday Night's main event,
Speaker 1: which I mean probably will do significantly more viewers than
Speaker 1: a pl would have done, and especially if you advertise
Speaker 1: it on NBC as John Cena's final match. And so
Speaker 1: that looks to be that looks to be the case.
Speaker 1: And and there's another note, but I actually won't talk
Speaker 1: about it because I don't know if it's actually the case,
Speaker 1: but it ties into the three hours of SmackDown. So
Speaker 1: they did do their earnings report, and they did mention
Speaker 1: that their television revenue would be lower for the next
Speaker 1: quarter because SmackDown was down to two hours. And that
Speaker 1: means that, in fact, they were making more money for
Speaker 1: SmackDown when it was three hours for the first half
Speaker 1: of the year. It was a little more than half
Speaker 1: of the year, and there was still no explanation as
Speaker 1: to why. And a lot of people, you know, they
Speaker 1: they've asked a question like, well, if we still don't
Speaker 1: know why, and if they did make more money for it,
Speaker 1: is it possible this will be like an annual thing,
Speaker 1: so like, you know, the first half of the year
Speaker 1: will be three hours and it will drop to two hours.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's what's going to happen. And I
Speaker 1: guess I will say I'm not reporting this is it
Speaker 1: is one hundred percent speculation. But the speculation is that,
Speaker 1: like with the ples, it might have been that there
Speaker 1: were a certain number of episodes of SmackDown that WWE
Speaker 1: was contracted to do and in order to meet that number,
Speaker 1: they had to have had at an hour to the
Speaker 1: show for seven months or whatever, and that's how they're
Speaker 1: going to end up hitting the quota. So it could
Speaker 1: be that, could be something else, but I don't think
Speaker 1: that we're going to be doing like a fifty to fifty.
Speaker 1: You know, half the year is going to be three hours,
Speaker 1: half the year is going to be two hours. I
Speaker 1: think it was kind of a one time deal and
Speaker 1: thank god now it's over and we can move on.
Speaker 1: So that's the update on that, the the ESPN deal
Speaker 1: and everything else. Roman Reigns also has been confirmed for
Speaker 1: more RAW appearances. He's going to be on the August
Speaker 1: eighteenth Raw, August twenty fifth Raw. He will be most
Speaker 1: likely on the Clash in Paris show on August thirty first,
Speaker 1: So that's not one hundred percent, but Wrestle Votes believes
Speaker 1: he's going to be there. So anyway, what that means
Speaker 1: is is was not an injury angle. Apparently, you know
Speaker 1: he's filming what is it Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat? What
Speaker 1: is it? Anyway, he's filming a movie. It's the movie
Speaker 1: that he's going to be part of. And Cody and
Speaker 1: oh god, who was it from New Japan. It's just bizarre.
Speaker 1: But anyway, the point is I don't believe that begins
Speaker 1: filming until September, so there's really no reason to do
Speaker 1: an injury angle in the middle of August to take
Speaker 1: him off TV for August before he uh yeah, fifty
Speaker 1: Cents in it. But there's who's the New Japan guy
Speaker 1: in it? What like a completely random New Japan wrestler
Speaker 1: is go to That's right, a rookie goat toes in
Speaker 1: this movie with John Cena and Roman Reigns and fifty Cent,
Speaker 1: I mean, and many others. It's gonna be. It's gonna be.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be something to see. Anyway, somehow,
Speaker 1: I have talked NonStop for forty minutes, So when we
Speaker 1: come back from the break, I'll just jump right into
Speaker 1: the Dynamite Report and Cody. That's right, Cody Roads as well.
Speaker 1: All right back in the moment Observer Live.
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Speaker 2: You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike Sempervivi on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: I get the show Brain now Here Wrestling Observer Live.
Speaker 1: Before I get to this Dynamite report, we got a
Speaker 1: text message here versus. I have a question. May come
Speaker 1: off as AW hate, but it's a legit question. I
Speaker 1: was watching Dynamite on HBO Max last night and those
Speaker 1: multiple times the audio glitched out. I know it's nothing
Speaker 1: new for AW. When I look back at it, noticed
Speaker 1: something the times the glitch has happened, and we're during
Speaker 1: the callous Kyle promo, during the Bucks match, a couple
Speaker 1: of times after as well. I knows during the Kyle
Speaker 1: promo the crowd is booing him a lot, then the
Speaker 1: glitch happens and you hear weird crowd chants. Okay, so listen,
Speaker 1: this is the exact same thing that happens on WWE.
Speaker 1: It's an attempt to remove profanity when the crowd is
Speaker 1: chanting bad things. So don Kallus came out and there
Speaker 1: were very very loud f don Kallus chants, which coincidentally,
Speaker 1: by the way, I was watching on H on Max
Speaker 1: and they didn't bleep them, and I was actually very surprised.
Speaker 1: Normally they do, and I also normally Max so and
Speaker 1: during the Bucks match, I mean, anytime there's crazy spots,
Speaker 1: you'll hear profane chance, and I mean you have options,
Speaker 1: like you can either try and cover it up with
Speaker 1: different audio, which is what AW does, or like NXT,
Speaker 1: they just mute the audio completely. So sometimes it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, twenty seconds of complete dead air because they're
Speaker 1: getting rid of these chants. On RAW, I think on
Speaker 1: Raw they mute it, So it's just a different way
Speaker 1: of doing it. Sometimes the decision is to mute it,
Speaker 1: and sometimes the decision is to put a different audio
Speaker 1: track over it. But it's not a production issue. It's
Speaker 1: trying to cover up for the fans saying very bad
Speaker 1: things during the show. All right, let's talk about Dynamite.
Speaker 1: It's the lead to Forbidden Door, and it opened up
Speaker 1: with got both my MJF doing a promo and he's
Speaker 1: very upset hang Man for not giving him a title shot,
Speaker 1: and he vowed to take it out on Mark Brisco
Speaker 1: Tonight said Mark's luck is about to run out. So
Speaker 1: then what an irony? The opening match is is John
Speaker 1: Moxley versus Mike Bailey, MVP's most hated wrestler, Mike Bailey.
Speaker 1: Clearly Moxley does not hate Mike Bailey because he gave
Speaker 1: this guy a ton in this match, and it's kind
Speaker 1: of where of those matches where he just beats this
Speaker 1: guy unmercifully for the first half of the match, gets
Speaker 1: a lot of heat, and then he starts giving this
Speaker 1: guy a comeback, and like every time, the crowd just
Speaker 1: they're going nuts by the end and they're trading these cradles,
Speaker 1: and Wheeler tries to interfere, and Darby comes out and
Speaker 1: kidnaps Wheeler, and then Moxley's distracted and speedball rolls him
Speaker 1: out and this is like the closest to count you've
Speaker 1: ever seen. And the crowd thought it was a three
Speaker 1: and they're going wild, but it's a two. And finally
Speaker 1: mox Le hits him with a death writer and pins him.
Speaker 1: Smatcho's great. So afterwards, Moxley and Marina are heading outside.
Speaker 1: They see Wheeler on the ground in a body bag.
Speaker 1: Darby tries to run him over, but they save Wheeler's life.
Speaker 1: They unzip the bag. Forbidden Door is staple to Wheeler's head,
Speaker 1: so it looks like John Moxley and Darby's at Forbidden Door.
Speaker 1: Mercedes showed up with the eight belts. Guys, aware that
Speaker 1: we're all entitled to our opinion. Some of you aren't,
Speaker 1: but it's true we all are. And in my opinion,
Speaker 1: this eight belts thing is stupid. Okay, when when she
Speaker 1: had like three belts and then she you won like
Speaker 1: a fourth belt, it was like up until about four belts,
Speaker 1: like it was it was pretty cool. You know, she's
Speaker 1: a belt collector. She's winning all these and they're like
Speaker 1: major belts from major promotions, and then like she shows
Speaker 1: up on TV and she's got eight belts and they're
Speaker 1: just draped all around her, and like, once you hit eight,
Speaker 1: you know, I realize, you know, for a brief period
Speaker 1: of time, Ultimo Dragon had that octople crown. But like
Speaker 1: I was just watching on this show and it's like,
Speaker 1: once you get to eight, now now it's it's it's
Speaker 1: just it's goofy walking around with these belts and she's
Speaker 1: trying to have you know, anyway, Alex Windsor Queen Aminadas, Skyblue,
Speaker 1: Billy Starks four way qualifier for Forbidden Door, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a it's a four way qualifier for a four
Speaker 1: way match, and Yetti Pop Pie. She's a heel is
Speaker 1: not a defense for everything stupid, Okay, I know some
Speaker 1: people that really like certain things. It's like that that's
Speaker 1: your defense. She's a heel, okay, But there's a problem
Speaker 1: like are you a heel that people are supposed to
Speaker 1: take seriously or are you a heel that people aren't
Speaker 1: supposed to take seriously? Because it is possible to be
Speaker 1: a heel, and also you get too silly, and now
Speaker 1: it's hard to take you seriously as a heel. We've
Speaker 1: seen this with many heels over the years, and this
Speaker 1: is not like good heel heed at this point. Now
Speaker 1: it's silly, and I don't think the Mercedes character is
Speaker 1: a heel is supposed to be silly. It's supposed to
Speaker 1: be like a serious thing, and it's coming off not
Speaker 1: serious here because it's now silly. So I know some
Speaker 1: people like to defend everything, aw does It's okay that
Speaker 1: some things are silly and like it could be better,
Speaker 1: and this is one of them. It's ridiculous. Now where
Speaker 1: were we? It's a four way for a four way
Speaker 1: and Alex Windsor won, so we got two other women
Speaker 1: that will be in the way at Forbidden Door for
Speaker 1: Mercedes title. And then afterwards he did a big chebang
Speaker 1: where Mercedes is out there and Alex Windsor's out there,
Speaker 1: Tony's out there, Athena lays out Tony, and then Athena
Speaker 1: and Mercedes have a stare down even though they're not
Speaker 1: wrestling each other at the show, and we were told
Speaker 1: they're on the same page, so maybe we'll get a tag.
Speaker 1: Young Bucks gave a production guy a paper and said
Speaker 1: that Justin Roberts needed to read this word for word.
Speaker 1: We had the aforementioned Don kellis Kyle Fletcher promo. These
Speaker 1: fans hated Don Kallas, just screaming at this guy at
Speaker 1: the top of their lungs, and Kyle braggs about about
Speaker 1: taking out dustin taking out coal. It's gonna be the
Speaker 1: greatest T and T champion of all time. Don says,
Speaker 1: I've got you a gift. It is another oil painting.
Speaker 1: It is frickin' preposter. It's getting so much heat. And
Speaker 1: this segment was great. So then we had another one
Speaker 1: of those segments. I love these segments. Remember when Christian
Speaker 1: came out last week and did that promo and I
Speaker 1: said that promo sucked, His delivery sucked, and the whole
Speaker 1: point of the promo sucked. Like eventually we're supposed to
Speaker 1: want to like this guy and see him team with Copeland,
Speaker 1: but like, this guy came out and he had no remorse,
Speaker 1: he had no nothing, And what happened. Oh, it's great,
Speaker 1: it's great, Brian, You're an idiot. Everything is great. In
Speaker 1: aw It's a great promo, make great sense, it was perfect. Well,
Speaker 1: here comes Copeland. They go, what do you think of
Speaker 1: this promo? And he says literally the exact same thing
Speaker 1: that I said. Kind of a promo was that Copeland
Speaker 1: says he had no remorse, there was no apology, the
Speaker 1: guys learned nothing, and he's still in a hole. I
Speaker 1: was like, correct, that is absolutely correct. So Copeland and
Speaker 1: I we both missed the brilliance of this promo to
Speaker 1: eventually turn him babyface. So next week he's gonna be
Speaker 1: facing Stokely. He has been allowed to match with Stokely.
Speaker 1: FTR cannot come within fifty feet or two hundred feet
Speaker 1: or whatever, and if they do, the restraining order is
Speaker 1: null and void. This actually is great, and I'll talk
Speaker 1: about why on the Brya Vitie Show tonight, and I
Speaker 1: don't got time today. Young Bucks against Brodido. So the
Speaker 1: Young Bucks had given a note to Justin Roberts. They
Speaker 1: told the production guy, you tell him to read this verbatim,
Speaker 1: and so of course the uh the letter Justin starts
Speaker 1: to read. I didn't write it exactly down, but it
Speaker 1: was to the effect of, hey, Justin, you idiot, when
Speaker 1: we come out tonight, you better introduce us the right way.
Speaker 1: We're not jobbers. And Justin just reads it exactly as
Speaker 1: it's written. So of course the fans are going wild.
Speaker 1: They're chanting jobbers at these guys. They're they're they're literally
Speaker 1: announced as Max and Jeremy, which was the name they
Speaker 1: used in about two thousand and eight and TNA when
Speaker 1: they were shoot jobbers, And the fans are eating this up,
Speaker 1: and uh, I mean, the good news is they can
Speaker 1: still work. This match was awesome, Brodido Young Bucks. This
Speaker 1: is awesome chance. They did the deal again where they're
Speaker 1: going for the the uh EVP trigger but they're not EVPs.
Speaker 1: So now they're in a big what should we call
Speaker 1: it in the middle of the ring, which of course
Speaker 1: is a distraction to allow the baby Faces to make
Speaker 1: a comeback. They did some awesome spots during the comeback.
Speaker 1: The baby Faces and h and finally Nick and Bandid
Speaker 1: are on the guardrail. Bandido press slams them off the
Speaker 1: barricade on the Matt. Bandido hits the X kne on
Speaker 1: Matt twenty one plex. Nick breaks it up, they get
Speaker 1: sent He gets sent outside. Bandido hits a top rope
Speaker 1: Sos Moon Salt, and then they hit their monkey flip finish.
Speaker 1: It's a monkey flip. That's their finish for the pin.
Speaker 1: So it's FTR versus Brodido. The winners get Hurt Syndicate
Speaker 1: at Forbidden Door. This smatch was awesome. Hurts Syndicate promo.
Speaker 1: MVP walks in or MGF walks in. God if this
Speaker 1: happens again. MVP says, you don't get it, dude, all
Speaker 1: you think about is yourself. The Hurts Syndicate we we
Speaker 1: are supposed to hurt people, not me, me, me. You
Speaker 1: get the thumbs down and he warns him because Max
Speaker 1: says it's not personal, it's just business. MVP says, no, no,
Speaker 1: I hope you don't win that title because if you do,
Speaker 1: Lashley's coming to get you, and it won't be business,
Speaker 1: it'll be personal. This was a great segment. Stokely did
Speaker 1: a promo but having a face Copeland, he's all worried.
Speaker 1: This was a great segment as well. There were a
Speaker 1: lot of great interview segments on this show. We had
Speaker 1: Swerve come out for a promo, also a great promo.
Speaker 1: He's gonna win the title from Okada and he's gonna
Speaker 1: I guess every time he's been in London he's lost,
Speaker 1: so He's going to redeem himself and win the Unified
Speaker 1: title and make Don Callus cry in the corner. Queenaminada.
Speaker 1: Oh god, I'm not gonna even review this thing. I
Speaker 1: almost wanna what's happening with stat Lander and Willow? Are
Speaker 1: they trying to beat the record of Waller and Theory?
Speaker 4: This is not a record.
Speaker 1: It needs to be broken. They broke up in May
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty four. It is August of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: It has been fifteen months, and I'm not sure we're
Speaker 1: any closer to a resolution. MGF and Mark brisco This
Speaker 1: was a good match, but because of that, I was disappointed.
Speaker 1: It's MGF and Mark Briscoe. I expected this to be
Speaker 1: so much better, and I think the big thing and
Speaker 1: I know this this is from me, I don't know
Speaker 1: by the rest of you, but my most hated spot
Speaker 1: in wrestling is when a guy goes to the top
Speaker 1: and the heel does the slow log roll out of
Speaker 1: the way. There is no spot I hate more than
Speaker 1: that in wrestling. I hate it. It just the action
Speaker 1: just slows to a complete halt every time. It doesn't
Speaker 1: even make any sense, like if it's fake and you're
Speaker 1: trying to make the people mad. It makes sense, but
Speaker 1: if it's real, it's like, okay, if you're in good
Speaker 1: enough shape to like roll out of the way the move,
Speaker 1: why don't you wait till the guy jumps so he
Speaker 1: crashes in burds? Why don't you get your knee up
Speaker 1: like it? It's such an infuriating spot to me. It
Speaker 1: just kills the momentum of a match. They did it
Speaker 1: five times and like Mark went for the froggy elbow,
Speaker 1: and Max rolled out of the way five times. By
Speaker 1: the fifth time, nobody cared and like he finally hit
Speaker 1: it on the sixth time and it got like a monica,
Speaker 1: I mean, and then I cheered and everything because they
Speaker 1: like hit it. It was like, man, the rule of threes. Guys,
Speaker 1: you broke it by two and then you did it
Speaker 1: two more times after that, but you actually hit it.
Speaker 1: So anyway, we'll get into the finished after the break
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Speaker 1: So the end of the match puts them through the
Speaker 1: table or actually Mark goes Mark goes for the froggy
Speaker 1: bow outside, crashed through the table, He's dead. Max gets
Speaker 1: in the ring. Mark almost doesn't get it back, but
Speaker 1: he gets back in. He's immediately hit with the heat seeker.
Speaker 1: Max covers. Mark puts his foot on the ropes. Ref
Speaker 1: doesn't see it. Max takes the wind pulls the foot
Speaker 1: off the ropes. So Mark still has not gotten revenge
Speaker 1: for MGF saying all of those horrible things about his
Speaker 1: deceased brother. And not only does he lose, not only
Speaker 1: does he not get his revenge on MGFMGF beats him
Speaker 1: after death with the ring. Afterwards, hang man has to
Speaker 1: come down to make the save. So, uh, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll see where this goes. Clearly mg
Speaker 1: have a hangman are having a match, probably a Forbidden Door.
Speaker 1: I mean, they could probably do something the second to
Speaker 1: do Mark Brisco at Forbidden Door and Max it all out,
Speaker 1: but at this point they beat this guy so bad.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, but anyway, I'd say
Speaker 1: overall it was a very good show. I mean, you
Speaker 1: had two very very good matches the uh, the John
Speaker 1: Moxley match and the Young Bucks match, so very very
Speaker 1: good wrestling on the show and a lot of good
Speaker 1: video packages and interviews. That's all I ask for, and
Speaker 1: promotion of of future events. So that's good. Well, tonight
Speaker 1: on the Brighton Video Show, we'll have more time ninety
Speaker 1: minutes commercial free to talk AWNXT and I got a
Speaker 1: lot to say that I didn't get to say here
Speaker 1: about Dynamite and NXT. I didn't even do an NXT
Speaker 1: report yet, so it's gonna be a lot of fun.
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