Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from
Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spoffer, joined as always
Speaker 1: by my trusted colleague west Hod Quiz. We're coming to
Speaker 1: you hear from our studios at lambeau Field West. Preseason
Speaker 1: game number two for the Packers is in the books
Speaker 1: a loss to the New York Jets. But the analysis
Speaker 1: of this one has to start first and foremost with
Speaker 1: the quarterback position. Number three quarterback Kurt Bankert played pretty
Speaker 1: much the entire game, all but the final series of
Speaker 1: the game, and um he uh did not disappoint. He
Speaker 1: showed that he belongs in the NFL. You remember back
Speaker 1: in the two thousand's with the Brewers and obviously the
Speaker 1: run they got on. There was a picture by the
Speaker 1: name of Victor Santos. He was Mr. Quality started. Always
Speaker 1: seemed like he'd always give you, like, you know, six innings,
Speaker 1: three runs, something like that. Orf I evenings. That's what
Speaker 1: that start reminded me of. Like for Kirk Ben Kurt Uh,
Speaker 1: if you think about it, like this wasn't the position
Speaker 1: he was supposed to be in. This is a situation
Speaker 1: where he was barely taking any team reps. Uh. The
Speaker 1: week before that Houston Texans game, Jordan Loves sustains the
Speaker 1: shoulder injury. And I thought you saw a young man
Speaker 1: take his opportunity and really run with it throughout the
Speaker 1: entire week practice Well, against the Jets, it wasn't you know,
Speaker 1: as many as many eyeballs are we're going to be
Speaker 1: on this game and against New York the practices, he's
Speaker 1: you know, seeing some pretty important reps there too, and
Speaker 1: he held his own. I think you saw the gamer
Speaker 1: tendencies with him. I thought you saw his fearlessness. Uh,
Speaker 1: this is a guy that definitely doesn't He's not he
Speaker 1: doesn't have happy feet. He plays the play as it
Speaker 1: comes to him. And I made this quote, and I
Speaker 1: didn't want this to come off as a dig to
Speaker 1: Curd at all, but I made this quote on Twitter
Speaker 1: where I said, you know, when you have a third
Speaker 1: string quarterback, you're just it's not you're not always gonna
Speaker 1: have a first round pick in that spot. You need
Speaker 1: to have a guy that's gonna be able to find
Speaker 1: ways to win for you and play with a certain
Speaker 1: amount of like chaos, and and I think that's what
Speaker 1: Ben Kurt brings. And he keeps plays alive. It was
Speaker 1: an exciting football game. It wasn't air free. But if
Speaker 1: you if you were there and he checked it out,
Speaker 1: I think you got your money's worth. Yeah, he he
Speaker 1: definitely played a solid first half. Now there were mistakes, yes,
Speaker 1: I mean he he did throw an interception in the
Speaker 1: second half of past he would certainly like to have back.
Speaker 1: There were a couple of miscus with the footing. There
Speaker 1: was a shotgun snap that slipped through his hands. Fortunately
Speaker 1: was grabbed by by the running back there, kyl And Hills.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't, as you said, it wasn't a flawless
Speaker 1: performance by any means. But when you look at look
Speaker 1: at it from the context of a number three quarterback
Speaker 1: who just got to Green Bay in the spring and
Speaker 1: is has been trying to learn this offense. Took very
Speaker 1: few eleven on eleven snaps in the spring, very few
Speaker 1: in training camp until Jordan's Love injured the shoulder in
Speaker 1: the first preseason game. He went out there with what
Speaker 1: I assume was a fairly limited menu of plays. They
Speaker 1: weren't going to overload his play but he but he
Speaker 1: went out there and executed. As you said, he kept
Speaker 1: plays alive. He made some things happen. There were times
Speaker 1: that he the running backs themselves also made some stuff
Speaker 1: out of you know nothing, so to speak. It's going
Speaker 1: to be an interesting decision here because you know, in
Speaker 1: some way, shape or form, you have to have three
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the building. The question the Packers are going
Speaker 1: to have to answer is, is Kurt Bankert on the
Speaker 1: fifty three man roster or will it? Would he clear
Speaker 1: waivers and be able to get him on the practice
Speaker 1: squads that he's still here, that's going to be That's
Speaker 1: something that they have to they have to gauge. We'll
Speaker 1: see if they take the risk or if they just
Speaker 1: keep him on there. The Atlanta Falcons, where Kurt Bnkert
Speaker 1: was before, they just lost their backup quarterback A J.
Speaker 1: McCarron to a torn a c l. So then you wonder,
Speaker 1: just because of that particular team, if Banker it is available,
Speaker 1: would they would they snatch him up? All of those
Speaker 1: kinds of things the Packers are gonna have to take
Speaker 1: under consideration next week at the roster rood action. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think it was Arthur Smith that even put
Speaker 1: kind of the warning call out there already. We're gonna
Speaker 1: probably looking at quarterbacks next week on the waiver wire.
Speaker 1: And if you remember with the Falcons they were they
Speaker 1: were the fourth overall pick this year, they have a
Speaker 1: really high waiver claim depending on who they're looking for,
Speaker 1: not saying to be banker, but anybody. So these are
Speaker 1: the things that teams need to think about this time
Speaker 1: of year. And as I said an inbox, it's the
Speaker 1: game within the game trying to understand your roster and
Speaker 1: as Brian Gudin has talked about over the weekend, how
Speaker 1: that roster could be perceived to the rest of the NFL. Okay,
Speaker 1: if we were looking at our roster, who do we
Speaker 1: want to see get cut, who do we want to
Speaker 1: see come open that we could potentially claim. And you know,
Speaker 1: the byproduct of this being one of the deepest August
Speaker 1: rosters we've ever covered, Mike, at least during my time
Speaker 1: on the beat, is there's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 1: tough calls. It's gonna happen at quarterback, it's gonna happen
Speaker 1: at running back, it's gonna happen at receiver, it's gonna
Speaker 1: happen on offensive line, and trying to figure out what
Speaker 1: that fifty three is gonna look like, but also with
Speaker 1: these expanded practice squads rules, who could still come up
Speaker 1: and maybe even play for you week one. Those are
Speaker 1: all the things that Matt Lafloor, Brian Goodkins and everybody's
Speaker 1: gonna have to put into kind of tabulated to figure
Speaker 1: out what they're gonna do going into New Orleans. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: speaking of the offensive line, I thought the Packers put
Speaker 1: together a solid bounce back performance from some disappointments with
Speaker 1: regard to the running game. In the first preseason game
Speaker 1: against Houston, the Packers got the running game going right away.
Speaker 1: First offensive series. A. J. Dillon was in the backfield.
Speaker 1: You could see the holes were there, his decisions were
Speaker 1: on point, his cuts were there. That running game really
Speaker 1: helping Kurt Banker get the you know, get the offense
Speaker 1: down the field and finish that off excuse me, finish
Speaker 1: off that uh um that drive with a score. Um.
Speaker 1: It was a good sign. It was a good sign
Speaker 1: for the Packers running game. And then on top of
Speaker 1: that with with Dylan leaving after the first series, on
Speaker 1: top of that, you had I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: like to jump the gun West, but seventh round rookie
Speaker 1: kyl And Hill sure looks to me like he's going
Speaker 1: to be the number three running back in this offense.
Speaker 1: He every day he helps his case. And the thing
Speaker 1: about Hill that is so intriguing is the Packers are
Speaker 1: not asking him to be a twenty carry guy right now.
Speaker 1: They're asking him to make some big plays and big moments.
Speaker 1: And I think you've seen that from him. The first thing,
Speaker 1: and I said it to you during the offseason program
Speaker 1: that stood out to me was the jump cutting. Was
Speaker 1: his ability to cut on a dime and be able
Speaker 1: to get up field. And he's been able to carry
Speaker 1: that through in pads. And as cool as it was
Speaker 1: to see him score that first touchdown against Houston, he
Speaker 1: only had five carries and they went for negative two
Speaker 1: yards with some of the blocking issues this game, you
Speaker 1: got to see him how he diagnoses the line of
Speaker 1: scrimmage a little bit better still. I mean, seven carries
Speaker 1: twenty nine yards. It's not like he broke like an
Speaker 1: eight yard run or anything. But he said it after
Speaker 1: the game. He tweeted it to fifty six. This is
Speaker 1: a young man that was an All SEC running back.
Speaker 1: It's not like he was playing at some random school
Speaker 1: in Albuquerque. This is a guy that was a high level,
Speaker 1: highly touted recruit whose college career didn't end the way
Speaker 1: he wanted it to. So for him to be able
Speaker 1: to pick himself up and show, Okay, there's still a
Speaker 1: lot more here that everybody didn't see coming out, I
Speaker 1: thought was really impressive. As you also touched on with A. J. Dillon,
Speaker 1: I thought that was a really important series for that
Speaker 1: young man. He's not going to play a lot. He
Speaker 1: may not play in this game against Buffalo, but it
Speaker 1: was good to see what he can do and as
Speaker 1: sort of a featured back role, especially when he's given
Speaker 1: the holes to operate with. In my last point here,
Speaker 1: also a tip of the cap to Luke Getsy. We
Speaker 1: found out this past week that was actually Getsy that
Speaker 1: called the plays earlier in that game. I thought that
Speaker 1: was an expertly executed drive. He was able to roll
Speaker 1: out Banker early on, get him into a nice rhythm
Speaker 1: with that past I believe to Dylan, and they just
Speaker 1: sort of rolled from there. So again, you look at
Speaker 1: the final score, I understand everything didn't go right, but
Speaker 1: for where you want to see the Packers really execute,
Speaker 1: like that first team, first snap unit, I thought did so.
Speaker 1: I thought with Uh. What what I really liked seeing
Speaker 1: with Dylan is in the very beginning of the game,
Speaker 1: all the players are fresh, The offensive guys are fresh,
Speaker 1: the defensive guys are fresh, and A J. Dillon was
Speaker 1: not easy to bring down. That the Jets were having
Speaker 1: a hard time getting him on the ground. And yes
Speaker 1: there were some creases there. I liked the cuts he made,
Speaker 1: as I said before, the decisions he made, but he
Speaker 1: also was just was getting extra yards by put by
Speaker 1: either pushing the pile or you know, knocking somebody backwards
Speaker 1: before the next guy maybe would bring him down. You
Speaker 1: saw that on a pretty regular basis there on his
Speaker 1: handful of carriers. I thought that was a good sign.
Speaker 1: Offensive line still not setting stone here with regard to
Speaker 1: what the Packers are going to do at the guard position.
Speaker 1: On Saturday night, Royce Newman started at right guard, John
Speaker 1: Runyon started at left guard. But then when the team
Speaker 1: returned to practice on Monday the opening snaps with regard
Speaker 1: to the guards on the number one offensive line, Royce
Speaker 1: knew was at left guard and Lucas Patrick was at
Speaker 1: right guard. Then later in practice those two guys switched,
Speaker 1: but then they also rotated in John Runyon and Ben Braden.
Speaker 1: So this uh, all of this rotating and carousel and
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what the best position slash combination,
Speaker 1: everything is still ongoing here and looks like it's going
Speaker 1: to take the Buffalo game to finally sort it out. Well,
Speaker 1: you can see the game slowing down for Newman now,
Speaker 1: and you can see him getting comfortable in a set
Speaker 1: spot now that he has been dedicating more time to guard.
Speaker 1: Because really, for the first three weeks camp, it was
Speaker 1: a three horse race. It was running. It was Lucas Patrick,
Speaker 1: and it was Ben Braden. And here comes Roy Snuman,
Speaker 1: a guy that played a lot of tackle but also
Speaker 1: had experience in college at Old Miss playing on the
Speaker 1: offensive line in that guard position. This is gonna be
Speaker 1: very interesting to see which direction Green Bay goes from here,
Speaker 1: because while you do want to keep the competition open
Speaker 1: and you've got to make sure you give those backups,
Speaker 1: they're the guys who will end up being backups enough work,
Speaker 1: because you and I have seen very quickly you can
Speaker 1: be thrown in their and be a sixteen game starter.
Speaker 1: You also wonder at what point you want to solidify
Speaker 1: that group and give them a chance to jail, because
Speaker 1: you do have a rookie center there and Josh Myers.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be getting used to two different linemates. And
Speaker 1: then when David Bactieri comes back, he has Elton Jenkins
Speaker 1: working next to him as well. So, uh, Newman though,
Speaker 1: I thought, has made a really good account of himself.
Speaker 1: I mean you can see the power, you can see
Speaker 1: what it brings to you can see what made him
Speaker 1: a fourth round pick. Yeah, and if you can get
Speaker 1: the footwork thing figured out where he had that little
Speaker 1: incident with Ben Kurd in the game. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I think this is a guy that really is going
Speaker 1: to excel in that spot between Myers and Turner. Yeah. Well,
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Speaker 1: of the ball West, two guys that I think are
Speaker 1: worth talking about here a pair of rookie defensive linemen
Speaker 1: who are making an impression. And I'm talking about fifth
Speaker 1: round pick t J. Slayton out of Florida and the
Speaker 1: undrafted Jack Heflin out of Iowa. Now, these are two
Speaker 1: young men who have both gotten a pretty good share
Speaker 1: of reps through these first two preseason games. And yes
Speaker 1: there have been some ups and downs. We hear from
Speaker 1: the coaches, consistency is always that word. They want to
Speaker 1: see the same effort, the same level of execution, you know,
Speaker 1: play after play. That doesn't happen with rookies, certainly with
Speaker 1: um with late round picks and and undrafted guys. But
Speaker 1: you can see these guys are coming along and the
Speaker 1: coaches are liking what they're seeing. They're liking the progress.
Speaker 1: And and these are these are two young men who
Speaker 1: have had a pretty good month. Well, you know, starting
Speaker 1: over to Darryl Slayton, I mean this guy, as as
Speaker 1: Jack even talked about when he was meeting with the media,
Speaker 1: I mean he's a grown man. I mean six ft
Speaker 1: four three and thirty pounds. Jerry Montgomery mentioned body fat. Mike,
Speaker 1: I don't even know what I want to know what
Speaker 1: my percent of body fat is. I mean, he is
Speaker 1: an incredible athlete, and you know one thing is he's
Speaker 1: probably gotten to where he's gotten to a lot of
Speaker 1: times leaning on the athleticism, you know. But I think
Speaker 1: as you teach him technique man, and you know the
Speaker 1: position that he plays and the the guys that he's
Speaker 1: in that room with that you talk about an excellent
Speaker 1: opportunity to grow. I think the table is set for
Speaker 1: him to have a really nice NFL career if he
Speaker 1: can stay healthy and that sack Mike, how often do
Speaker 1: you see that somebody rushing from a three technique. I
Speaker 1: understand it was a preseason game. I understand they're going
Speaker 1: up he's you know, he's not going up against Josh Sitton.
Speaker 1: But to be able to pull off that swim move
Speaker 1: in traffic and still have the the acceleration you saw,
Speaker 1: the ten area, the ten yard quickness, and you know
Speaker 1: in his protein numbers and that there's just so much
Speaker 1: in that young man that I think is exciting for
Speaker 1: the Packers to unwrap. Jack Heflin is just a grinder
Speaker 1: and it was really interesting listen to him speak to
Speaker 1: the media on Monday and just hearing his story. That's
Speaker 1: a guy that used to show cattle, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: and in his small community, you know, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of just a earned everything he's ever gotten, self made
Speaker 1: sort of dude. And for him to come in and
Speaker 1: make a name for himself, and you can tell just
Speaker 1: what he's been bringing and eating some important snaps in
Speaker 1: the preseason here for the defensive line. He doesn't have
Speaker 1: all the athletic intangibles of a slatener Kenny Clark, but
Speaker 1: this is one of those guys that just he you
Speaker 1: see him time and time again. He won't be denied.
Speaker 1: And when you're looking for an undrafted free agent find
Speaker 1: these are the type of players Packers have had a
Speaker 1: lot of success with you. His journey is an interesting
Speaker 1: one and you know, as he described it to us,
Speaker 1: when you know, answering questions that he comes out of
Speaker 1: high school, small town Prophetstown, Illinois, to roughly two thousand people.
Speaker 1: I think he said nine d The census gave him
Speaker 1: two thousand. The census has met two thousand now. But
Speaker 1: he didn't get a single Division one scholarship offer. He
Speaker 1: had only three walk on offers to UH to play
Speaker 1: Division one college football, which is what he wanted to do.
Speaker 1: He want he wanted to play Division one. He wanted
Speaker 1: to play for the Iowa Hawk Eyes. He told his
Speaker 1: mother and when he was in eighth grade, even though
Speaker 1: at the time he said he was a hundred fifty
Speaker 1: pounds that he wanted up that he was going to
Speaker 1: play football for the Iowa Hawk Eyes. Well, they didn't
Speaker 1: offer him anything, not to walk on or whatever. So
Speaker 1: he goes to Northern Illinois. Well, then after he earns
Speaker 1: a scholarship as a walk on at Northern Illinois, plays
Speaker 1: there for a few years. Then you get to the
Speaker 1: pandemic season and it's there's all these questions about whether
Speaker 1: games are going to be played or they only going
Speaker 1: to play conference games. And when you're at a mid
Speaker 1: major school like a Northern Illinois, the best film that
Speaker 1: you have for the pro scouts is when is when
Speaker 1: Northern Illinois plays somebody nonconference from a Power five school. Well,
Speaker 1: that wasn't going to be happening in so he decided
Speaker 1: to put himself into the transfer portal. See if he
Speaker 1: could land somewhere where you know, the the he'd get
Speaker 1: the right kind of film to get noticed by by scouts. Well,
Speaker 1: lo and behold, he does get an offer from Iowa,
Speaker 1: the you know, his dream school where he wanted to go,
Speaker 1: and then so he plays there for one season, still
Speaker 1: doesn't get drafted. But then he has a zoom call
Speaker 1: with Packers defensive line coach Jerry Montgomery, who who turns
Speaker 1: out to be a former teammate of Kelvin Bell, his
Speaker 1: defensive line coach at Iowa. So there's all of these
Speaker 1: connections going on. He feels really good about the possibility
Speaker 1: of going to Green Bay as an you know, signing
Speaker 1: as an undrafted free agent and taking his shot, and
Speaker 1: uh and suddenly here he is with one preseason game
Speaker 1: to go, and he has put himself in position to
Speaker 1: get a spot potentially on this fifty three man roster
Speaker 1: he has And I actually made this remark d in
Speaker 1: practice on Monday. I think that was the first time
Speaker 1: that Jerry Montgomery has had all of his defensive alignement
Speaker 1: available yes camp. So far, it's just been so difficult.
Speaker 1: So one of the reasons Hefflin has been able to
Speaker 1: do this is he's just gotten a lot of work,
Speaker 1: whether it was in the team periods and in practice recently,
Speaker 1: especially against the Jets, or in that preseason game with
Speaker 1: Kenny Clark, Dean Lowry and and all these other guys
Speaker 1: being down. You know, the one thing that'll be interesting
Speaker 1: to track with him. You remember Tyler Lancaster two in
Speaker 1: two thousand and eighteen I believe or nineteen whenever that was.
Speaker 1: You know, he's a guy that imprest and Camp didn't
Speaker 1: make the fifty three right away, but within a month
Speaker 1: was up on the fifty. Right. We'll see how everything
Speaker 1: goes with Heflyn. Maybe the Packers feel he's invaluable enough
Speaker 1: to keep him, but he just he seems like the
Speaker 1: kind of guy you want to work with, you want
Speaker 1: to develop, and at some point he can become a
Speaker 1: real contribute here at the next level. Yeah, he'll be
Speaker 1: an interesting guy to follow, regardless of what happens with
Speaker 1: with the cut down to fifty three. But um, but
Speaker 1: he's he's given himself a chance. And that's one of
Speaker 1: those guys that have started training camp. You and I
Speaker 1: kind of look at the roster were like we, you know,
Speaker 1: without having the usual spring access to players and trying
Speaker 1: to talk to guys, and we didn't even we didn't
Speaker 1: know anything about this young man. And now here he
Speaker 1: is with a with a chance to be on the
Speaker 1: Week one roster. And there's a lot of those guys
Speaker 1: Mike that come in every every year, you know, from
Speaker 1: different parts of the country where you kind of don't
Speaker 1: really know who they are and what they're going to
Speaker 1: be able to bring, and they make one big play.
Speaker 1: And I remember there was one I think in the
Speaker 1: mini camp that I kind of noticed Hefflin being able
Speaker 1: to get in the backfield a little bit and just
Speaker 1: disrupt and you know, your intenta goes up, and then
Speaker 1: you start to see him more and more and you
Speaker 1: know he's definitely fit that this was not a huge
Speaker 1: year for undrafted free agents. You know, we know how
Speaker 1: this went with this year's draft. I mean, they're just
Speaker 1: the pool wasn't as big as it had been in
Speaker 1: the past. So Packers uf a classes maybe like ten
Speaker 1: guys um So for him to put himself in this
Speaker 1: this conversation after being in kind of a thin draft
Speaker 1: class to begin with, I think says a lot about
Speaker 1: him and the way he approached this thing. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: one last thing before we go. Packers still working on
Speaker 1: some issues on special teams. A very up and down
Speaker 1: game unfortunately against the Jets. There was a nice punt
Speaker 1: return by Reggie Bagelton. Really nice play on punt coverage
Speaker 1: by Christian up Off. Speaking of undrafted rookie players trying
Speaker 1: to put themselves in position, and but there was a
Speaker 1: long kickoff return that was allowed. J K. Scott had
Speaker 1: had one very poor punt out of his four, so
Speaker 1: Packers working through something still with regard to special teams.
Speaker 1: But I'll just say this, heading into this final preseason
Speaker 1: game in Buffalo, there are jobs to be one somebody.
Speaker 1: Somebody is going to make an impression I think enough
Speaker 1: just on special teams alone, two get a shot at
Speaker 1: at the fifty three and to have a chance to
Speaker 1: play because because of all this stuff the Packers are
Speaker 1: are trying to work out on special teams, you make
Speaker 1: a big enough impression just in that phase of the game,
Speaker 1: I think you have a chance to make this roster.
Speaker 1: Christian up Off is basically one more good rep away
Speaker 1: on as a gunner, I think from putting himself in
Speaker 1: that conversation right and he's he's only had twenty six
Speaker 1: defensive snaps combined in the first two preseason games, and
Speaker 1: I think we're going to see him potentially play a
Speaker 1: lot more on defense against Buffalo. Because of what he's
Speaker 1: done on special teams that they want to you know,
Speaker 1: they want to get a little bit longer. Look here
Speaker 1: and again, yeah, he's he's definitely got to keep an
Speaker 1: eye on. I'm gonna give you a little bit of
Speaker 1: a secret here, Mike. I mean, we can talk all
Speaker 1: we want about j K. Scott and where he needs
Speaker 1: to punt the ball and doesn't need to be towards
Speaker 1: the sideline. You want the ultimate equalizer in the punting game.
Speaker 1: Find a gunner that can break a double team and
Speaker 1: get down the field fast enough to make a guy
Speaker 1: fair catch a ball. Up Off did that this game.
Speaker 1: It's what Jeff Janis did so well for so many
Speaker 1: years in Green Bay, even through a lot of different
Speaker 1: fluctuations with the punting situation, Janis was a huge asset
Speaker 1: in that way. Packers have been missing that. So, whether
Speaker 1: it's up Off, whether it's in his games, whether it's
Speaker 1: any of these young guys that can make an impact
Speaker 1: in that way, that's what you need because yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you do want to get it to the sideline. You
Speaker 1: do want to make it difficult for the puncher to return.
Speaker 1: But with a guy like j K. Scott, I just
Speaker 1: keep going back to that, Mike, a guy that has
Speaker 1: that much leg talent, if you can just get the
Speaker 1: ball underneath his foot and give guys four and a
Speaker 1: half seconds to get downfield, that's still, to me is
Speaker 1: the best blueprint for being able to make sure that
Speaker 1: you don't have big, you know, explosive plays allowed. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: well with that, we're going to call it a wrap
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