Speaker 1: Welcome to pod meets Tworld, a podcast that somehow began
Speaker 1: with Dancing with the Stars, continued through Castle's Traders, strategic deception,
Speaker 1: and because our producers, along with many of our listeners,
Speaker 1: apparently enjoy watching too confused middle aged men struggle through
Speaker 1: wildly successful reality television. We have arrived at a place
Speaker 1: neither of us understands Bravo, specifically in the city. And
Speaker 1: we thought we were done within the city, but in
Speaker 1: the city wasn't done with us? Will I know? Usually
Speaker 1: these shows involved a game, a competition to cash, prize,
Speaker 1: a goal, but this one's different. No challenges, no murder, mystery,
Speaker 1: no judges, no dance scores, just wealthy adults attending parties
Speaker 1: are actually not even at this time, just wealthy adults
Speaker 1: standing around.
Speaker 2: Not even standing city city again, talking about things that
Speaker 2: other people have said about them.
Speaker 1: We are right or Strong, a man who prefer stories
Speaker 1: with structure, themes and an ending. And Will Ferdell, who
Speaker 1: was told there might be humor among the cocktails and betrayals.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's turned out to be true. New
Speaker 1: join us as we finish a season of social warfare,
Speaker 1: passive aggression, luxury apartments and confessionals, delivered with the gravity
Speaker 1: of international diplomacy. This is the last Podmates Tworld Metropolitan mess.
Speaker 1: How you feeling, Will, I'm glad it's over.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is just not for me. It's just not
Speaker 3: for me, I know.
Speaker 1: I and our last in the City recap of the
Speaker 1: final episode. I was feeling pretty good about in the City. Actually,
Speaker 1: I was feeling better.
Speaker 3: How you feel after the reunion?
Speaker 1: The reunion killed it for me? Hill reunion just I
Speaker 1: just I didn't want this to exist. I didn't want
Speaker 1: the reunion to exist, right because that feeling that I
Speaker 1: had gotten with that good will that had been built
Speaker 1: up by that Thanksgiving episode, which was you know, I
Speaker 1: started to feel like, oh, you know, this is like
Speaker 1: a Slice of life show, and these people are ultimately
Speaker 1: friends and it's not that big of a deal, and
Speaker 1: you know, the producers and the editors milk this for
Speaker 1: like drama, but actually this is all kind of small
Speaker 1: events in these people's lives. They're gonna forget about this
Speaker 1: and move on. But then to come together and to
Speaker 1: have this host too. I don't know who this.
Speaker 2: Guy is, and he's the face of Bravo.
Speaker 3: He's like the guy who started this whole thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he really, I mean talk about stirring the pot.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know it's his job. I know it's
Speaker 1: his job, So I don't blame him personally. It's not
Speaker 1: about that, but it's the idea that you would bring
Speaker 1: all these people back and just like reopen wounds.
Speaker 3: That's the point, that's the point of all these shows is.
Speaker 1: Yes, I was like guys, I thought we had kind
Speaker 1: of healed, and I got to the point where I
Speaker 1: kind of liked everybody, and then now I'm at the
Speaker 1: point where I don't like anybody. Yes, exactly like anybody.
Speaker 2: I've said this from the beginning and I stick by it.
Speaker 3: These are children, These are children who are sitting there.
Speaker 1: I don't blame them, will.
Speaker 3: Oh, I blame them entirely. Oh, I think it is No, I.
Speaker 1: Think it's entirely the structure of the show, the way
Speaker 1: that they approach it.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's their job, but this is what they want.
Speaker 1: I know. That's why I don't like them. That's why
Speaker 1: I don't like them, not because they're gossiping. It's because
Speaker 1: they're showing up and collecting money to do this, and
Speaker 1: they're choosing to do things like this reunion and keep
Speaker 1: playing this game, and I feel like, well, then you know,
Speaker 1: so when they talk about like the real emotion that
Speaker 1: has to be behind this, you know that you have divorces,
Speaker 1: you have sure relationships ending, you have children coming into
Speaker 1: the world, and that this is how you're making your
Speaker 1: money and how you're choosing to do it just bums
Speaker 1: me out. And I feel sorry for them to a
Speaker 1: certain extent because I'm not I'm not one hundred percent
Speaker 1: sure you can possibly know how much you're signing up
Speaker 1: for when you especially because a lot of them have
Speaker 1: been on this for ten years or whatever, like I
Speaker 1: don't know if they've really thought it through right.
Speaker 2: But if you don't think something through and then you
Speaker 2: know how it's affecting your life, you don't stay on
Speaker 2: it for ten years and then do a spin off
Speaker 2: show of it.
Speaker 3: This is what they want.
Speaker 2: This is an entire group of people in the world
Speaker 2: now who want to be influencers, who want to be
Speaker 2: reality show people who want to be.
Speaker 3: Paid for me, me, me, me, me.
Speaker 2: This is I want you to look at me the
Speaker 2: whole time and I'm always right or this, And then
Speaker 2: they have conversations like again, I've I've always maintained that
Speaker 2: if you if you just take a transcript of the
Speaker 2: conversations and you then take a transcript of conversations between
Speaker 2: twelve year olds, you would not be able to tell
Speaker 2: which is which.
Speaker 1: I think there's a version of this where you don't
Speaker 1: do this reunion stuff and you don't you don't allow
Speaker 1: people to have tabloids and you just do like a
Speaker 1: more like a like a dramedy, midlife crisis sort of
Speaker 1: dramedy where you follow a group of friends like this.
Speaker 1: I'm really interested in that show. Like, you know, do
Speaker 1: you remember the Seven Up documentaries? Did you ever hear
Speaker 1: about those?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: They were It was a British series of documentaries where
Speaker 1: they followed people every seven years of their life, So
Speaker 1: every seven years they would do another feature film documentary.
Speaker 3: On the same people.
Speaker 1: So kay, So you starting with when they were born,
Speaker 1: and then when they were seven, and then when they
Speaker 1: were fourteen, and then Andy, You're right, it's really cool
Speaker 1: and like every you know, and they're still doing it
Speaker 1: as far as I know, Like, these people are still
Speaker 1: alive and they've been followed some of the you know,
Speaker 1: they're all like from the same little neighbor. I love
Speaker 1: that idea. I actually haven't watched that many of those
Speaker 1: documentary Yeah, and I feel like there's a version of
Speaker 1: In the City that kind of gave me those feelings,
Speaker 1: like when they had their friends giving, where I was like, oh, like,
Speaker 1: these people have been there a lot together and like
Speaker 1: they're gonna be you know, and even I will say
Speaker 1: in this reunion, the way that Kyle and Amanda still
Speaker 1: have this like bond and the sense of like friendship.
Speaker 1: I was like, there's a version of this where you
Speaker 1: can re edit and these people won't wouldn't come off
Speaker 1: as awful. But of course, but.
Speaker 3: That's not what it's about.
Speaker 1: Drama.
Speaker 3: They built it that, you know.
Speaker 2: The second and this is the thing, this is what
Speaker 2: just gives me the ick every time, is the second.
Speaker 2: Somebody has a horrible time in their life that the
Speaker 2: tabloids find about.
Speaker 4: You get a.
Speaker 2: Drunk driving, you are divorced, somebody's cheating on somebody. These
Speaker 2: producers are salivating, Thank God this is happening, because it's
Speaker 2: just going to give us ratings and that I find
Speaker 2: that really icky.
Speaker 3: I just find it icky.
Speaker 2: And so to then dress them all up, put him
Speaker 2: in makeup, sit him across from each other and then say,
Speaker 2: remember what she said about you. Well she also said this,
Speaker 2: let's find the clip. It's just I just it gives
Speaker 2: me such the.
Speaker 1: It's literally like, let's let's let's look at the clips
Speaker 1: of all the conflicts you had this last year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just bring them all back up. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: is that all we're doing. Yes, that's all we're doing.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well it starts off with what I thought an optimistic
Speaker 1: note was Andy Cohen making the white dress joke, and
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, if it's stays in
Speaker 1: this time were just bantering about the things that happened,
Speaker 1: I would have loved it, because that's what I kind
Speaker 1: of expected. Or we tear about where their lives we're
Speaker 1: at now, or what had happened, or an update. Instead, No,
Speaker 1: it becomes kind of just reflections yep, all the stuff.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 1: So we hear about everybody's pregnancy.
Speaker 3: Great, congratulations everybody, it's awesome.
Speaker 1: And Gavin's had a spike in business that he's noticed Georgia,
Speaker 1: I can't answer a question about who was at boat Dogs.
Speaker 1: And then Amanda get into the whole and even this
Speaker 1: was a little annoying because they didn't really kind of
Speaker 1: explain it. It was like they sort of assumed that
Speaker 1: you would watched the Summer House reunion, which I did
Speaker 1: not watch. Did you you didn't watch that? Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I didn't really know when they kept referencing like what
Speaker 1: had happened at that reunion and how Amanda was treated
Speaker 1: or reacted. But apparently it seems like she had not
Speaker 1: a great time on that show and everybody kind of
Speaker 1: piled on her and she react.
Speaker 3: Now, that was the one you remember. I think Maddie
Speaker 3: came on and told us about that one.
Speaker 2: That was the one where they she literally like people
Speaker 2: were accusing her of being on medication or something like.
Speaker 2: It came off so cruel and yell, all that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff.
Speaker 1: Yet, well, that's what Andy brings up here, that she
Speaker 1: was on beta blockers or whatever. We'll find out how
Speaker 1: Kyle's asshole is doing. Yes, finally recovered important Andrea and
Speaker 1: Lexi expecting, oh and Danielle also expecting. All right, we
Speaker 1: get into the Amanda.
Speaker 5: Kyle of it all.
Speaker 1: There's some sort of olive spitting photograph. I don't understand
Speaker 1: what this was.
Speaker 2: I guess there was a picture of them somewhere where
Speaker 2: people thought she was just spitting into his mouth. But
Speaker 2: I guess they were doing a joke of spitting an
Speaker 2: olive into another olive.
Speaker 3: I don't teach their own what it is.
Speaker 1: And then this is where Andy brings up this whole
Speaker 1: beta blocker drugged in question or drug question, and she
Speaker 1: insists that she was just emotionally shut down because that's
Speaker 1: her her reaction to her own Kyle fighting, which we've seen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everyone everyone gets asked how they feel about Amanda and West,
Speaker 1: and everybody's pissed off, or, as Danielle puts it, disappointed
Speaker 1: because her whisper Amanda would be that she would take
Speaker 1: some time alone. But Amanda can't go back and change that.
Speaker 1: No one has hung out with Amanda and West. Surprise, surprise.
Speaker 1: Gavin says that they know better than to come into
Speaker 1: his bar, which I was like, man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, there was one.
Speaker 2: There was one comment here I think it comes up
Speaker 2: right around here that that really spoke a lot about it,
Speaker 2: where somebody said to her that all the stuff you
Speaker 2: hated about Kyle, yes West, is that times ten. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And she's like, well, I haven't seen that. It's like okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like, oh my god, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is crazy. Yeah, she can't say that they
Speaker 1: are in love, and they don't say I love you
Speaker 1: to each other. I also don't really care. Nope. I
Speaker 1: was like, why are we talking about West? He's barely
Speaker 1: a part of.
Speaker 3: This show, say half the scandal wasn't on the show exactly.
Speaker 1: It's so interesting that we're spending so much. It's just like,
Speaker 1: and this is this weird thing where the show is.
Speaker 1: It's like, it's like, and this is the thing about
Speaker 1: this kind of reality TV. It's like these people's lives
Speaker 1: and the tabloids, it's like their social media, the reality show,
Speaker 1: their products that they sell, and the like comments that
Speaker 1: other people make online all are telling the story, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's like, there's not it's.
Speaker 3: Not the show, right.
Speaker 1: It's the stuff all around. It is so like when
Speaker 1: you're watching the show, you're just getting the tip of
Speaker 1: the iceberg. R. And I think that part of the
Speaker 1: reason that you and I are you know, a little
Speaker 1: distant chat with it is that we are keeping up
Speaker 1: with all those other sources, you know, right, and like,
Speaker 1: but I think it's like it's almost like these shows,
Speaker 1: and maybe this is true of a lot of the
Speaker 1: Bravo stuff or reality it's like what is that word for?
Speaker 1: Like when they're like games in real life, like games
Speaker 1: like video games that people play in real life. It's
Speaker 1: something that's sort of pop kind of but it's like,
Speaker 1: but people do it. There's there's been attempts to do this,
Speaker 1: like where you virtual reality, No, not virtual reality. I
Speaker 1: think it's like reality games. It's like where you you
Speaker 1: follow a YouTuber and you solve a mystery in real
Speaker 1: life and like the you.
Speaker 2: Know, augmented reality. No, I know what you're I know
Speaker 2: the one you're talking about. It It's like it's yes,
Speaker 2: I do, I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: There have been attempts to do this, and they've never
Speaker 1: been hugely successful. But the idea is that if you
Speaker 1: watch this TV show and then you play this video game,
Speaker 1: they like correlate or like if you follow this YouTuber,
Speaker 1: it is a you know and like I feel like
Speaker 1: the Bravo versu is that it's like you it's never
Speaker 1: just the show. You have to watch the show, you
Speaker 1: have to follow all the people on social media, and
Speaker 1: then you have to read all the page six or
Speaker 1: whatever it is.
Speaker 2: This is just a soap opera without having to pay
Speaker 2: the actors the same amount, right, I mean that's really all.
Speaker 3: This is the modern day soap opera.
Speaker 1: Do you think they make less than soap opera actors, Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, at the same time, think about it, they
Speaker 1: might make less.
Speaker 2: They might make the same money as the actors. But
Speaker 2: you don't have to pay any writers. You don't have
Speaker 2: to pay I mean, it's like you don't have to
Speaker 2: pay the studio. You don't have to pay any of
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. We just film a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of people. You left the drama. You edit just around
Speaker 2: all the drama. I'm sure the producers are injecting drama.
Speaker 2: Oh did you know this person said this to you?
Speaker 2: And so this is just this is the new I mean,
Speaker 2: there's only one or two soap operas really, the big
Speaker 2: ones that are left.
Speaker 3: So this is just these are the new soap operas.
Speaker 1: So Amanda says that West is supportive. He's not ten
Speaker 1: times worse than Kyle, as Nick says, Kyle feels that
Speaker 1: he was supportive and that he still is. And he
Speaker 1: actually says everyone here still supports you and gives her
Speaker 1: credit for taking it on the chin. They all complement
Speaker 1: Kyle on how dignified he is, and Amanda says, you
Speaker 1: know that they're still friends and that they still have
Speaker 1: love for one another.
Speaker 2: Well, it sounds an awful lot like and again I
Speaker 2: think somebody brings us up later in the episode, but
Speaker 2: it sounds an awful lot like if you just watch
Speaker 2: Summer House, most people ninety percent of the people were
Speaker 2: team Amanda, like Kyle was awful to her, and then
Speaker 2: when this happened, everything changed. And now this guy who
Speaker 2: they even sense like you were right about to be canceled,
Speaker 2: is now the man. So he's probably in a way
Speaker 2: kind of loving this where it's like, hey, now I'm single,
Speaker 2: she's not around anymore, she looks like shit, and I
Speaker 2: can go out and date whoever I want to.
Speaker 1: And it's like exactly what they talk about next, they're like,
Speaker 1: what is it like hanging out with single Kyle? And
Speaker 1: he's making out with everybody, and single Kyle is not
Speaker 1: all that different.
Speaker 3: Dude hasn't had sex in five years? What do you expect?
Speaker 1: So they he's kissing other people and he's having sober
Speaker 1: sex and talking to Amanda about it and they actually
Speaker 1: laugh about this together. Interesting. Yeah, Kenny uses the word betrayal,
Speaker 1: but Amanda jumps in to say there was no cheating.
Speaker 1: But then they go through that there were only two
Speaker 1: weekends from the statement that Are and Kyle released together
Speaker 1: and then being at some super Bowl event with West.
Speaker 1: I don't get it, but anyway, Kyle feels betrayed by
Speaker 1: West because they were boys, they were friends.
Speaker 3: Can we get a Maddie because I have a question, Mattie,
Speaker 3: are you there? Yes?
Speaker 2: Okay, so this super Bowl thing, Amanda denies that she
Speaker 2: and West were together during whatever the super Bowl thing,
Speaker 2: but he says they were.
Speaker 3: Yes, So they have conflicting statements. It's but their mutual
Speaker 3: friend told this.
Speaker 2: Is I think we went over this when she told
Speaker 2: Dave Portnoy, like their mutual friend told Dave Portnoy.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Amanda and West are an item, and that's
Speaker 4: how things.
Speaker 1: Started to blow up. It is.
Speaker 2: It's so stupid that, honestly, it's still being talked about
Speaker 2: at this point.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, it was just pointless. It was
Speaker 1: like this is summerhouse. It's not in this It's just
Speaker 1: too much. So yeah, essentially, Amanda in West have conflicting statements.
Speaker 2: Okay, but do most people believe that they were actually
Speaker 2: together before she says they were actually together.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's what I figured.
Speaker 1: Well, the good news La La in the Valley says
Speaker 1: that Kyle is great in bed. These are the things
Speaker 1: you need to know.
Speaker 3: This is La La Kent parent another Bravos.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but there's a whole bunch of in
Speaker 1: jokes about Kyle and who he's slept with. I don't
Speaker 1: know who they're referencing. There's someone ten years younger, but
Speaker 1: who's well read. Lindsay, you'll be happy to know is
Speaker 1: still with Frank the Milkman, and guess what will She
Speaker 1: is not looking for a serious relationship. No, she wants
Speaker 1: to have fun with So Lindsay has a change. This
Speaker 1: season saw Lindsay wanted to have a good time and
Speaker 1: find somebody like Frank the Milkman. Sounds like she's she's
Speaker 1: still still in the same place.
Speaker 2: Really, because I thought they were just gonna sit up
Speaker 2: and have wonderful, in depth conversations with Frank the Milkman.
Speaker 1: I'll deliver the milk over that way, over that way.
Speaker 3: Excuse excuse me, ma'am.
Speaker 1: Georgina says that Frank is ambitious, which I have yet
Speaker 1: to really see but Dustin and Dustin would have also
Speaker 1: been great if he lived in town. Vaughn's not convinced
Speaker 1: about Frank. Then, Danielle says she's not going to come
Speaker 1: in on Lindsey's relationships anymore. She has learned her less smart.
Speaker 1: She has she smart because she's still here with of course,
Speaker 1: her husband Marty. Okay, Georgina is not currently seeing anyone,
Speaker 1: but she is ready, and she reiterates what she said
Speaker 1: in the finale, which is that she now believes that
Speaker 1: divorce might be better for her kids after hearing from
Speaker 1: a friend who grew up with divorce parents.
Speaker 3: I have a reality question for you.
Speaker 2: Do you think so like, if they bring back this
Speaker 2: this show for season two, which it seems like it's
Speaker 2: kind of a foregone conclusion that they're going to, do
Speaker 2: you think if somebody like Georgina is ready to date,
Speaker 2: do you think Bravo and the show and producers will
Speaker 2: actively go out and find men to bring on to
Speaker 2: the show as like another character.
Speaker 3: Do you think that's the thing they do where it's
Speaker 3: like we set up dates for you.
Speaker 1: Yes, well no, but they do it through the characters.
Speaker 1: That's why remember Andrea introduces Frank the Milkman to Lindsay. Right,
Speaker 1: So that's how they do it. They find the people
Speaker 1: on the show. They're like, hey, do you know anybody
Speaker 1: who could set up with Georgina, because then it's with
Speaker 1: in show, you know that you have like somebody playing matchmaker,
Speaker 1: because then they also have to get permission because let's
Speaker 1: say she goes on a date or two with somebody
Speaker 1: and then that somebody is like, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: go on a reality show. Then the whole show misses
Speaker 1: out on her dating life. They can't cover it.
Speaker 2: I think that's one of the things that happened with
Speaker 2: with Lindsay's ex is that Lindsay was like, got pregnant
Speaker 2: by this guy and he's like, I don't want to
Speaker 2: be I'm not gonna be on a reality show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, which makes perfect sense to me.
Speaker 3: That of course me too.
Speaker 1: I think Owen wishes he had made that.
Speaker 5: Same He is.
Speaker 3: Way over his head, way over his head, and Danielle.
Speaker 1: Should have just taken the opportunity to met an Irish
Speaker 1: guy and I'm.
Speaker 3: Out of the thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Well, maybe she makes too much money. I don't know.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, Lindsay gives advice for new moms to
Speaker 1: just go with it and that she's here for all
Speaker 1: of you, including danielleb he doesn't want her around. Georgina's
Speaker 1: advice is give yourself grace and love, and she didn't
Speaker 1: even pee before running to her first baby, but with
Speaker 1: the second she was way more casual. I've heard this
Speaker 1: from every parent I know, and I only had one kid,
Speaker 1: so we were just anxious, like probably over the intentive
Speaker 1: because but yeah, but everyone says with the second one,
Speaker 1: you just check out, and it's actually much healthier for everyone.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure I think that the joke my parents
Speaker 2: used to make was at me as the third kid
Speaker 2: is like, oh, by the third kid, they're juggling knives
Speaker 2: like it just it's yeah, they're so used to it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kenny caught smoke for moving witness across the country
Speaker 1: without a ring or a closet. We get the Murky
Speaker 1: Murky Spark conversation, and this leads to a question from
Speaker 1: a viewer which goes all the way back to episode one,
Speaker 1: when Lindsay was grilling poor Kenny yah he was getting
Speaker 1: man hating vibes. Yeah in the bar, right, so this
Speaker 1: is when Whitney it's a chance for Whitney Towagh And
Speaker 1: was Lindsay having her back as a as a friend
Speaker 1: or a potential friend or was he was she overstepping
Speaker 1: and judging and Whitney thinks she was overstepping and judging.
Speaker 1: This gets pretty heated. Kenny's trying to talk meanwhile Lindsay's
Speaker 1: just calling him misogynistic and narcissistic. Oh my god, is.
Speaker 3: She still one of your favorites?
Speaker 4: No, she really.
Speaker 1: Lost me on this. It's just like because multiple times
Speaker 1: I feel like she has an opportunity to just say, like, like,
Speaker 1: here's the perfect example, because she defends herself saying I
Speaker 1: was being a girl's girl, Whitney, I was there for you.
Speaker 1: I was trying to protect you, which Whitney then says, well,
Speaker 1: I didn't want it, didn't need it, didn't come across
Speaker 1: that way to me. All you need to say, you
Speaker 1: know what my bad?
Speaker 5: Yep?
Speaker 1: Cool? Yeah, well you could say I had good intentions,
Speaker 1: they missed the mark, and I bet you Whitney would
Speaker 1: have been like cool, but instead she's like, well, Whitney
Speaker 1: and I are very different people. So it's like, so
Speaker 1: you were being a girl's girl on your own terms.
Speaker 1: And when the girl says no need for you to
Speaker 1: be that way, she doesn't just take saying okay, cool,
Speaker 1: my bad like a child. Yes, ego is just so fragile.
Speaker 1: Everyone's ego is so brittle. I mean, like, just make
Speaker 1: a mistake. What happens if you said something you maybe
Speaker 1: had good intentions, I had the wrong effect.
Speaker 5: Oops.
Speaker 1: Sorry, but I guess that would be the end of
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly all right.
Speaker 1: If viewer asks Kenny, why are you upset with Lindsey
Speaker 1: because of the spark issue? When you actually said that
Speaker 1: in the first episode with Kyle, host checks in with Whitney,
Speaker 1: you know, she says, all I had to do was
Speaker 1: talk to Kenny. Yeah, that's kind of all any of
Speaker 1: these people have to do. Yes, talk to one another,
Speaker 1: to your partner. Yes, Davin jumps in, says Kenny, you
Speaker 1: were defend sive off the bat. That is the problem
Speaker 1: of your jumps in and says Kenny, I can't believe
Speaker 1: that you called Whitney boring to her face, which Gavin says, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: the relationship is boring, which I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: much better, bro. But Gavin says he loves Whitney, he
Speaker 1: just doesn't believe that they're being honest about their relationship.
Speaker 1: And then apparently on some other reality show, a bachelor
Speaker 1: bachelorette person weighs in that Whitney is just in it
Speaker 1: for the fame. Uh oh, yeah, I would say they're
Speaker 1: all maybe let's say.
Speaker 2: You know, because the rest of the cast is just
Speaker 2: in it because they love these relationships and they need
Speaker 2: to be with their friends.
Speaker 1: If you can't heard about leads, friends, don't let friends
Speaker 1: go on. Yes, you do this to your worst enemy.
Speaker 5: Yes, my god.
Speaker 2: The idea that you're all fame hungry people, of course
Speaker 2: you are.
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, you have to be best frenemies in order
Speaker 1: to be on a Bravo show.
Speaker 3: And that's the other thing.
Speaker 2: This is the thing I think that throws me about
Speaker 2: shows like this more than anything else, because in some
Speaker 2: of the reality shows we do, there's a purpose. You
Speaker 2: want to win a game, you want to become a
Speaker 2: better chef, you want to fall in love.
Speaker 3: Whatever it is. This is literally just I want to
Speaker 3: be famous with no talent.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so where we as actors do we want fame? No,
Speaker 2: we want to work, We want to act we want
Speaker 2: to we want to create, we want to entertain, and
Speaker 2: fame is a byproduct of what we do. This is
Speaker 2: they want to be famous. That's the point, because there's
Speaker 2: no other goals, right. But it's like, why do you
Speaker 2: want to go on this reality show? Because you know
Speaker 2: it's gonna bring out, bring your your numbers up for
Speaker 2: your social media, your product. It's going to be allow
Speaker 2: you become your own product. You obviously think you're wonderful
Speaker 2: and you want the world.
Speaker 3: To see it. That's the only thing you get out
Speaker 3: of this show is fame.
Speaker 1: That's literally it. It's really I I agree. I guess
Speaker 1: it's hard for me to judge that anymore because I
Speaker 1: feel like, let's everybody know, Yeah, it's everybody. It's all
Speaker 1: of us, you know. And it's hard because everybody with
Speaker 1: their you know, their Facebook page which says yes. And
Speaker 1: I just so I think whereas like, you know, the
Speaker 1: way I retreated from fame and the way I would
Speaker 1: have felt about this equation when I was younger, it
Speaker 1: was exactly the way you described it, like why would
Speaker 1: anybody want that? You know? But now that I have
Speaker 1: done Podmeats World and I have embraced fame, you know,
Speaker 1: on my own terms like being like nowadays, I would
Speaker 1: say I am. I am famous, more famous than I
Speaker 1: was four years ago because of pod meats.
Speaker 3: Sure of course.
Speaker 1: So I am back in and I am enjoying it.
Speaker 3: Are you enjoying the fame aspect of it?
Speaker 1: No, But I mean well in the sense that people
Speaker 1: are listening like this, doing this with you is super fun,
Speaker 1: and like the fact that people comment and like like us,
Speaker 1: and the fact that I was able to make something
Speaker 1: like red Weather. Sure, you know, something that I believed
Speaker 1: in that was a creative thing was entirely because of fame.
Speaker 1: Like fame is it's it's it's like money, you know,
Speaker 1: it's you can knock it all you want, but it
Speaker 1: is power. Now it's a case so and and and
Speaker 1: it's allowed me to do a lot of things that
Speaker 1: I do really love and and I do I don't
Speaker 1: love I guess I do love connecting with an audience authentically.
Speaker 1: I think the problem for me actually was always connecting
Speaker 1: with an audience through the filter of only Boy Meets
Speaker 1: World and feeling stuck and limited by that because I
Speaker 1: felt like I was a disappointment to people if I
Speaker 1: was not Sean Hunter you know, it's like, right, I'm
Speaker 1: not as cool as Sean. I'm not come. I don't
Speaker 1: have great dialogue being written for me. I'm not you know,
Speaker 1: best friends with Corey. Whatever it is that they want,
Speaker 1: their their projection of me. I didn't feel like I
Speaker 1: could live up to it. So I always felt kind
Speaker 1: of like disappointing people. Whereas now I have a much
Speaker 1: more authentic relationship, so I can see wanting.
Speaker 2: Yes, But I also think that everything we're doing, going
Speaker 2: back to podmeats World, Boy Mets World, everything, it's all
Speaker 2: based around positivity, whereas this is literally the opposite. You
Speaker 2: would get more famous, more likes, more clicks. The more
Speaker 2: negative you are, well, the more you can hate watch
Speaker 2: this and the people there, and oh I hate Amanda
Speaker 2: now or oh I hate Kyle.
Speaker 3: Which is such a different way of coming off of
Speaker 3: being famous.
Speaker 1: I really I wonder like, and I'm honestly like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, is there a like you know? Because I
Speaker 1: you know this. The tilt in reality television has been
Speaker 1: away from the sort of early era negativity and like
Speaker 1: exploitation of people who didn't know what they were signing
Speaker 1: up for whatever, right you know it too, more of
Speaker 1: like a British bake off, like let's all be positive,
Speaker 1: let's say, and that's what I've you know, we talked
Speaker 1: about this Survivor like I feel like Survivor morphed and oh,
Speaker 1: American Idol is probably the most extreme example. They used
Speaker 1: to just make fun of contestants half the time. And
Speaker 1: that's what you'sulting, right, Yeah, that's gone. Like now it's
Speaker 1: like everybody has a shot, everybody's taken care of, and
Speaker 1: even if somebody's a bad singer, it might lead to
Speaker 1: some awkwardness, but it's not. The show itself is not
Speaker 1: mocking them. So I wonder if there's a version of
Speaker 1: a Bravo style like Group of Friends show that doesn't
Speaker 1: play to this sort of toxicity. I would love to
Speaker 1: watch that.
Speaker 3: Actually I agree.
Speaker 2: I was literally physically uncomfortable watching this, and so I
Speaker 2: don't I don't get the Yeah, I don't get the
Speaker 2: joy that people get. But again, it's the wonderful thing
Speaker 2: about television or music or any of that kind of
Speaker 2: stuff is what one person's gonna like, the other person's
Speaker 2: not gonna like.
Speaker 3: It's just how it is. I don't like country music.
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean country music sucks.
Speaker 2: It means I just don't like it, so, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's I just don't like Bravo just my thing, not
Speaker 2: my thing.
Speaker 1: Well, Georgina jumps in and clarifies that she would have
Speaker 1: preferred that Whitney is doing it all for the fame
Speaker 1: because watching the show, Kenny was simply attacking all of
Speaker 1: their friends. Kenny says that maybe this is his time
Speaker 1: to own it and this I think Kenny comes across
Speaker 1: from the show as somebody who's willing to own up
Speaker 1: to his mistakes.
Speaker 3: But I agree with them, yep.
Speaker 1: And he seems like, you know, as much as like
Speaker 1: him and Whitney probably aren't the type of people I
Speaker 1: would hang out with. They seem like they've they've they're
Speaker 1: level headed, at least to a certain degree of like,
Speaker 1: let's have our personal life and let's have our public life,
Speaker 1: and let's make sure that we navigate this directly. You know,
Speaker 1: everyone else, I'm a little like you haven't figured this out.
Speaker 1: I don't know anyway. Kenny says he owns his you
Speaker 1: knowavior a little bit, but he did feel defensive because
Speaker 1: he thought his relationship was being attacked and question if
Speaker 1: you were asks lindsay, you were upset about Danielle's comments,
Speaker 1: but Danielle was looking out for you in relationships. It
Speaker 1: seems like you want blindly loyal friends, which goes back
Speaker 1: she tells Minions. Yeah, of course I would say she
Speaker 1: kind of does.
Speaker 3: Of course she does.
Speaker 1: Maybe if she just said, like, yeah, I want blindly
Speaker 1: loyal friends, yes, could have been.
Speaker 2: She wants to be the alpha in her click and
Speaker 2: she wants blindly loyal friends. She wants she wants a
Speaker 2: double standard. She wants to live her life the way
Speaker 2: she wants to live her life, but she wants her
Speaker 2: friends around her to be blindly loyal to her.
Speaker 1: And Lexi the Andy Cohen asked, Lexi, is lindsay a
Speaker 1: mean girl is part of like the leader of a
Speaker 1: mean girl crew? Lexi says no, but then Danielle says
Speaker 1: it's lonely on the outside, and it seems like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a pretty tight knit group of girls and Danielle
Speaker 1: has been pushed out of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Kenny asks Amanda to repeat something that she says.
Speaker 3: Say that thing again that made me upset the first time.
Speaker 1: Yes, Amanda says, maybe the problem with this crew is
Speaker 1: that all three of these girls jump in and answer
Speaker 1: for each other, and Kenny says, yes, that's the issue,
Speaker 1: that is the major issue, but he still apologizes for
Speaker 1: using the word minion and Lindsay's wearing minion yellow.
Speaker 4: Yeah she was, and we.
Speaker 1: Get Kenny's father recap moment. This is probably the least
Speaker 1: interesting part of the season, but actually the most personal
Speaker 1: and real, the most dramatic. This is you know, maybe
Speaker 1: what another show could just focus on is this kind
Speaker 1: of human drama, which seems really nice. Have they done
Speaker 1: a reality show with finding like parents and siblings and
Speaker 1: have they done that before? Yeah? I think so. I
Speaker 1: mean there's the one where they do like DNA tests,
Speaker 1: so yeah, smart. Yeah. Lindsay weighs in and you know
Speaker 1: connects with watching the show how it made her very emotional.
Speaker 1: But her situation with her mom is actually pretty different
Speaker 1: because you know, her mom knows where she is and.
Speaker 2: Just yeah, which has to be which also I mean
Speaker 2: again not to get psychobabble or into that any of
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, but you know, having that I
Speaker 2: have to imagine having as a woman. I couldn't imagine
Speaker 2: what it's like with a woman and her mother, but
Speaker 2: it must make you not trust people, especially maybe other women,
Speaker 2: nearly as much as you would have had you had
Speaker 2: a stable kind of.
Speaker 3: Upbringing with the woman in your life. So I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: Also, just think about in terms of like found family, Yeah,
Speaker 1: being really important, hugely important. And the thing that you
Speaker 1: get from family is unconditional love. And that's kind of
Speaker 1: what the blind loyalty that she wants from her friends is, right,
Speaker 1: she wants uncondition of course, she can't make a mistake.
Speaker 2: Why why most kids, most kids are that are in
Speaker 2: gangs are from broken families because they go and they
Speaker 2: find their that's their family, and they're willing to die,
Speaker 2: die literally die and kill for their family. And that's
Speaker 2: why all these young kids find that because they don't
Speaker 2: have it at home, so they go, they join these
Speaker 2: they find their family.
Speaker 1: They're willing to be more extra.
Speaker 2: And of course to fit in and to be loved
Speaker 2: and to be supported and of course, of course.
Speaker 1: Really interesting interpretation. I think there was a good psycho
Speaker 1: babble interpreted. Okay, Wit and Kenny are talking about getting
Speaker 1: engaged this year. I love this kind of I love
Speaker 1: how couples go through this where they know they're going
Speaker 1: to get engaged. They know the guy's going to go
Speaker 1: buy a ring, but they still have to act surprise
Speaker 1: and wait for their Well.
Speaker 2: Then it's about picking your moment. Yeah, it's not picking
Speaker 2: the moment to do it. Then, yeah, you hope it's
Speaker 2: a yeah, you hope it's not raining as you walk
Speaker 2: her through the woods.
Speaker 1: They definitely want kids too, They want a baby Minion,
Speaker 1: and we get the single mom card recap moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's bring up the fighting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Whitney is really really sorry. She apologizes extensively ad nauseum.
Speaker 1: Lindsey then wants to point out that she doubled down
Speaker 1: with all this nanny comment and the host dress. Whitney,
Speaker 1: you know, can you think of can you give another
Speaker 1: example of the mom card? And Whitney can't, but she
Speaker 1: says it's not really about that, it was about the entitlement.
Speaker 1: Lindsay again asked for another example. Kenny and Whitney are like,
Speaker 1: she just said it was about the entitlement, not the
Speaker 1: times that you were actually like playing the mom card,
Speaker 1: and Lindsay just goes off. Doesn't seem like she's happy
Speaker 1: about this, And our first episode ends with Kenny saying,
Speaker 1: you collect apologies like you collect souls, which sounds like
Speaker 1: a like a I don't know what it means though
Speaker 1: why it does work. But I was like, yeah, apologies
Speaker 1: like you collect souls. It is any She's like the
Speaker 1: devil collecting souls, I know.
Speaker 3: But it's also like I don't.
Speaker 2: And this is the things when you get people like this,
Speaker 2: and it's not just Lindsay but specifically her, when you
Speaker 2: get things like, well, I don't accept your apology right now.
Speaker 1: I know what does that mean?
Speaker 3: Am I did you sentence me?
Speaker 2: Do I have a six month sentence before you accept
Speaker 2: the apology that I gave you? Like, how does that work?
Speaker 2: And then you're also telling me that I need to
Speaker 2: apologize to every mother in the history. It's like, really,
Speaker 2: come on, dude, let's relax.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's Episode two is Lindsay begins with Lindsay,
Speaker 1: you know, not accepting the apology for now.
Speaker 3: Not accepting your apology for now.
Speaker 1: But I mean Lindsay and Ivon have made up and
Speaker 1: are now talking every day. In fact, Nick feels like
Speaker 1: he's in a throuple. Sounds fun.
Speaker 2: I'll take two women. I don't want to be to
Speaker 2: thrupple with for a thousand oles.
Speaker 1: Well, then we get into the investigating Owen portion of
Speaker 1: the evening, where they were acting like a couple of
Speaker 1: private dicks.
Speaker 2: Owen's over this O, this entire experiment is this whole
Speaker 2: thing's I guess.
Speaker 3: Dude wants to be back in Ireland so fast.
Speaker 1: I love him.
Speaker 3: I do too, I do too.
Speaker 1: He gets a little spicy in this, he gets spicier
Speaker 1: in this than he's ever been, and rightfully so. But also, dude,
Speaker 1: just stop showing up. It's never because even though he
Speaker 1: looks the best and he has the most like sort
Speaker 1: of he still ends up looking somewhat bad, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like you just can't, you cannot, You
Speaker 1: cannot be in this without mud getting flings on you.
Speaker 1: It's just too bad, all right. Then we get a
Speaker 1: whole discussion about the O T P HJ. Over the
Speaker 1: pants hand job.
Speaker 3: Job.
Speaker 1: I had so much. We need all this discussion.
Speaker 3: This is this is an acronym. This is that we
Speaker 3: need we need we no.
Speaker 2: No, is it?
Speaker 3: I don't know. Apparently apparently one I didn't important.
Speaker 1: Thing for a producer Maddy to weigh in on isn't
Speaker 1: over the pants hand job of the real thing O
Speaker 1: T P h J. I had never heard it, And okay,
Speaker 1: you have spoken, the youngs have spoken. It's not a thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's not there's like, there's gotta be
Speaker 1: a better way to say it. A pantsy.
Speaker 3: I prefer pants handy.
Speaker 2: I prefer a U T P b J. Is under
Speaker 2: the pants blow job, that's better one. So yeah, it's
Speaker 2: like and even says Andy Colin's like, what is that
Speaker 2: just rubbing his dick?
Speaker 3: Like she literally says that it's like, okay, so.
Speaker 1: What I just don't like, I would never want to
Speaker 1: sit around with my friends talking about whether like just
Speaker 1: get over it.
Speaker 3: Yes, And then she also said it was like six years.
Speaker 2: Ago, right, so you were so as far as I
Speaker 2: can understand, they dated for a while, they broke up,
Speaker 2: and then after they broke up, they were in a
Speaker 2: cab her friend, and then she and they made out
Speaker 2: and they rubbed on each other.
Speaker 1: But also she says, like, it's not what happened, so
Speaker 1: take it. Just be like, Okay, then that's not what happened.
Speaker 3: Yes, let's do it with a union about bringing that
Speaker 3: up again?
Speaker 1: Owen like once he jumps in and this is where
Speaker 1: he says, look my partner's pregnant, doesn't want this toxic
Speaker 1: stuff around. And then Lindsey reacts with extreme sarcasm, saying like,
Speaker 1: is it that crazy, Owen, which I guess means that
Speaker 1: Danielle was toxic when.
Speaker 3: She was she was friend okay, but I've.
Speaker 1: Completely lost a threat of and anyways, it's like and
Speaker 1: Owen says, there's one common denominator to all the toxic
Speaker 1: drama here, and that's you, Lindsay, which brings up the lindsay,
Speaker 1: what are you doing on this show? Which brings us
Speaker 1: to Dressgate? And I kind of can't believe that Evon
Speaker 1: is still digging in on Dressgate.
Speaker 5: I can't either.
Speaker 1: We find out that not only did the Danielle text
Speaker 1: it to Yvonne, but everybody apparently said pictures.
Speaker 3: What more do you want?
Speaker 1: It's not enough. This is where Owen loses his cool
Speaker 1: and says an idiot under idiot, So yeah.
Speaker 3: It's like I sent you pictures.
Speaker 1: Danielle does apologize for using the word bitch, which I
Speaker 1: think is worthy of apologizing.
Speaker 2: Well, and by the way, she apologized several times during
Speaker 2: this thing. She came off as kind of fair and measured.
Speaker 2: During this time trying to be Yeah, trying to yes,
Speaker 2: trying to yes.
Speaker 1: Host asks whether Danielle trusts Amanda, and she is vindicated
Speaker 1: by Amanda dating West because she never trusted Amanda, and
Speaker 1: Amanda's fine with that. Actually that Amanda also come across
Speaker 1: came rous pretty well.
Speaker 3: She had to.
Speaker 2: I think she had to just know she was gonna
Speaker 2: take it on the chin every time, body blow after
Speaker 2: body blow, and I just have to sit here and smile.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 1: So she takes this and says, like, Yep, it makes sense.
Speaker 1: You didn't trust me and probably shouldn't because we didn't
Speaker 1: really know each other.
Speaker 2: By the way, look at this puppy I brought along,
Speaker 2: like it's what she has to be like, Hey, made
Speaker 2: it a bit of a flower.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Comes out that she hadn't even texted Danielle and apologized
Speaker 1: for digging on her before the cameras were rolling, and
Speaker 1: Danielle appreciates that. Amanda reiterates the apology now. Then the
Speaker 1: host asked Amanda about Sierra and the sort of summer
Speaker 1: house reunion, which we haven't seen, so I don't know,
Speaker 1: but she asks, He asks, why couldn't she apologize as sincerely?
Speaker 1: Then to Sierra again, Amanda says, cut to foot, I
Speaker 1: was defensive yep. And then Owens ass if he was
Speaker 1: purposely being vague about his divorce and he says, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because it was a legal issue, and then Gavin jumps in.
Speaker 1: He says, well, it would have been nice to know that.
Speaker 1: If that is just given the answer, then he doesn't
Speaker 1: know this group. He doesn't didn't really want to open up.
Speaker 1: The host asks him directly if it was because of
Speaker 1: the cameras, and I was surprised that Owen doesn't say yes.
Speaker 1: He says not really, it's more about just the other guys,
Speaker 1: and that the other guys were bringing it up because
Speaker 1: of the cameras. They were the ones only talking about
Speaker 1: this issue, which I think is kind of obvious. But
Speaker 1: they say no, you know, Gavin says, you told us
Speaker 1: not to ask about it, because well, Owen says they
Speaker 1: were obviously asking about it for the cameras because no
Speaker 1: one's checked in sense, And Gavin says, no, you told
Speaker 1: us not to ask. So this is weird back and
Speaker 1: forth here.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't get it.
Speaker 1: I was like, just leave the poor guys alone. Let
Speaker 1: him get his divorce.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I also love the fact that he's like, look,
Speaker 2: I was saying, he didn't say it this way, but
Speaker 2: he's like, I was essentially thrown on a reality show.
Speaker 3: I don't know any of these people.
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, I'm supposed to sit
Speaker 2: there and talk about something horrible.
Speaker 3: I'm going through with strangers.
Speaker 1: Which has legal ramifications?
Speaker 3: Right, which has legal or exactly? And then people are like, wow,
Speaker 3: you didn't really want to open up.
Speaker 1: No shit, also totally fine, you don't want to open him? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: that is prerogative.
Speaker 3: Yes, Oh I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 1: The host goes back to Lindsay and Danielle. Can you
Speaker 1: be friends? And Danielle says, you know, as long as
Speaker 1: Lindsay doesn't keep a list of grievances like she has,
Speaker 1: which it seems like Lindsay is willing to let go
Speaker 1: maybe and start keeping a new list. I'm sure. Back
Speaker 1: to Kaimanda, we get a recap of that all whole drama,
Speaker 1: which was kind of the driving story line I would
Speaker 1: say of the.
Speaker 3: Season Kaimanda and he asks Kyle.
Speaker 1: Were you grateful that Amanda moved out? And he gives
Speaker 1: us interesting answer you know where he admits that he
Speaker 1: wasn't going to be the one to instigate a breakup,
Speaker 1: and so he was glad in a way that it
Speaker 1: worked out the way it did because she started it.
Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Obviously weren't gonna last. I wasn't gonna they weren't gonna,
Speaker 1: you know, but host wants more drama. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: how Kyle made out with a woman while they were
Speaker 1: still together. Let's gets into a pretty lame defense on
Speaker 1: Kyle's part that he may not have been making out.
Speaker 1: He may have just been dancing very close.
Speaker 2: Okay, And even Amanda says, like, all right, but you're married.
Speaker 2: You're dancing close enough to where someone takes a picture
Speaker 2: where it could at least be construed as you're making
Speaker 2: out with somebody.
Speaker 1: Andy Cohen just wants more drama, though, so he goes,
Speaker 1: is there anything else? And then Amanda says the sentence
Speaker 1: which I found really interested. She goes, well, I don't know,
Speaker 1: because I haven't been on the internet in a minute,
Speaker 1: as if that's the source of info. Like of course,
Speaker 1: She's like, she's basically just waiting for people to post
Speaker 1: pictures or bad intel or you know, gossip about her
Speaker 1: ex husband so she can feel vindicated, just like, don't
Speaker 1: go just don't do any of this talk to Kyle.
Speaker 3: Of course, of course not.
Speaker 2: Do you think there was ever a common station at
Speaker 2: any level to where they were just like, why don't
Speaker 2: we just do an open relationship, Like, let's just have
Speaker 2: an open relationship. It just seems you don't want to
Speaker 2: have sex. I do, we still like each other. Let's
Speaker 2: keep the apartment and let's just be open.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's funny. Actually, you know, I feel like
Speaker 1: a lot of people these days have been trying those
Speaker 1: kinds of arrangements. Yeah, you know where people like just
Speaker 1: stay together and you know, like yeah, they have like
Speaker 1: I don't know, like some it doesn't have to be polyamorous,
Speaker 1: but some sort of like understanding. Sure that is fine,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, but I'm curious if that's ever happened
Speaker 1: on a show like this. Yes, these shows tend to
Speaker 1: be kind of conservative, right, It's like they really channel
Speaker 1: towards marriage and children, like a traditional family values, you know,
Speaker 1: like it seems like they cast.
Speaker 2: In that direction or the ultimate single life where you're
Speaker 2: out being with everybody you can possibly be right, meaning
Speaker 2: it's like it's never like a twist on something traditional
Speaker 2: it's never like a different version of marriage.
Speaker 3: No, No, you know, it's never like that.
Speaker 1: No, And I would argue that the party area single,
Speaker 1: that's right, And I think the single side is always
Speaker 1: with the goal of person right, right, because even Lindsay
Speaker 1: is sort of portrayed as a tragic single mom just
Speaker 1: wanted to have fun. But I don't think that, like
Speaker 1: the story isn't done yet, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: The sense is like she's gonna eventually find that guy.
Speaker 1: It's still the goal. It's like a very very conservative.
Speaker 3: I've got to imagine that.
Speaker 2: Also, speaking of Lindsay, that Frank the Milkman obviously doesn't
Speaker 2: want to be on a reality show.
Speaker 3: He came on once.
Speaker 2: But if they're still together and they've been dating and
Speaker 2: they had we're seeing each other throughout the entire series.
Speaker 2: He was like, I don't, well, why wouldn't he be on?
Speaker 2: Oh no, he doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: He's like, he doesn't. I think he just didn't. I
Speaker 1: think their relationship they only went on that one day
Speaker 1: or whatever, like they didn't have enough for this season.
Speaker 2: He's been on another Bravo show before this. What was
Speaker 2: he on before this?
Speaker 1: He's perfect for her, he was dating someone on a
Speaker 1: Real Housewives show, So yeah, come, that's role on.
Speaker 3: They all just passed Frank the milk. He's passed around
Speaker 3: like a bottle of milk.
Speaker 1: He's like the kookie neighbor in one that then goes
Speaker 1: to be the kookie dahbor on another sitcom.
Speaker 3: Wait, he just dated that chick on Bewitched last week. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: Oh man, Oh they love his milk.
Speaker 6: Ill Maddie, Ill, Maddie, oh, Maddie.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 1: Well, then Lindsay asks Amanda directly, why didn't you have
Speaker 1: sex for four years Lindsay. Amanda says it was depression,
Speaker 1: and then she goes back to even before they were
Speaker 1: married and how Kyle didn't court her. Kyle defends himself
Speaker 1: by saying he was working really hard, and she says
Speaker 1: he told her to read a book on dating an entrepreneur.
Speaker 1: Then he says it's.
Speaker 3: A it was a really good book. It was a
Speaker 3: really good book.
Speaker 1: I thought that was the stair. I'm still like, you know,
Speaker 1: I told you to read the book. If you read
Speaker 1: the book, maybe this would make sense.
Speaker 3: You would have known. Yeah.
Speaker 2: By the way, though, if if she's dealing with serious depression,
Speaker 2: which I'm lucky. I did dealt with anxiety and never
Speaker 2: had a day depression in my life. But I've talked
Speaker 2: to people that have dealt with serious depression. Apparently, like
Speaker 2: one of the first things that does goes your sex life,
Speaker 2: Like it just it zaps you. It's just you're gone.
Speaker 3: From that well.
Speaker 1: And the real sad thing is the oftentimes the medication
Speaker 1: you take to get yourself out of refford also reduces
Speaker 1: yourself exactly.
Speaker 3: Exactly, So, I mean, that's no joke.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, that's something that you as
Speaker 2: partners work on and you find other forms of intimacy.
Speaker 2: If you can't do that and you holdly, I mean,
Speaker 2: there's ways where you it's a work around where it
Speaker 2: didn't seem like that. I mean, this just seems like
Speaker 2: two people that you just never have been together.
Speaker 1: She tells a story about him blowing a raspberry on
Speaker 1: a girl's neck in front of her.
Speaker 3: Well, I love his I love his answer.
Speaker 2: You were right there, Like I wasn't trying to be shady.
Speaker 2: I sucked on a girl's neck in front of.
Speaker 5: You, babe.
Speaker 1: They're like that shady doing that in front of your girlfriend.
Speaker 2: You were there, babe. I wasn't trying to hide anything. God,
Speaker 2: she gave me an ot HJ BBC right right in
Speaker 2: front of you.
Speaker 3: What's the problem.
Speaker 1: Kyle should just have nodded, like the dancing too close
Speaker 1: and then now defending putting his mouth on a woman's neck.
Speaker 1: Just stop, just nod and say, yep, my bad, glad
Speaker 1: we're not together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, you're right. I was a shitty partner. You
Speaker 2: were a shitty partner. We shouldn't have been together. Go
Speaker 2: be the happiest you can be. But you no longer
Speaker 2: get to criticize me for how I find my happiness,
Speaker 2: and that's drinking and partying and hooking up with other people.
Speaker 2: That's if he wants to own it.
Speaker 3: Own it. Not my lifestyle, but own it.
Speaker 1: We got a recap of Gavin stir in the pot
Speaker 1: at the wedding.
Speaker 3: Gavin, he has no regrets.
Speaker 1: Can you believe it? Gavin stoked?
Speaker 5: I came to stop.
Speaker 3: Coster no regrets for Gavin.
Speaker 1: Uh, Kyle's drinking comes up. Surprise, surprise. We got a
Speaker 1: recap from a previous season which we had not seen,
Speaker 1: where he really says some pretty awful things.
Speaker 4: Off the doors.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the host kind of directly as if they
Speaker 1: had fights like this often, and they both say yes.
Speaker 1: Kyle tries to sort of deflect and say, oh that
Speaker 1: that was summerhouse. Yeah. So Kyle, you know, tries to say, well,
Speaker 1: we're both equally responsible for this, but the host kind
Speaker 1: of digs down, and you know, Amanda's like, you know
Speaker 1: what does she say?
Speaker 2: Ugh?
Speaker 1: Ice is what he yes, she gave him, but and
Speaker 1: he's like, she did, Yeah, Kyle. This is a problem
Speaker 1: with this whole reunion show is like, you know, because
Speaker 1: at this point, even if Kyle, everyone looks bad, like,
Speaker 1: there's no way anybody wins in this situation.
Speaker 2: No, of course not God, yeah, it's it's it's just
Speaker 2: everybody down in the mud. You said it the best way.
Speaker 2: Nobody nobody comes up clean. And that's and they love it.
Speaker 2: They love that because now people will tune in for
Speaker 2: the next season.
Speaker 1: Then the actual divorce comes up, the fact that Kyle
Speaker 1: has made some requests like get your stuff out of
Speaker 1: my apartment, which after nine months I like that. Everyone's like,
Speaker 1: that's pretty bad about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, get Amandica.
Speaker 1: He is still paying her health insurance and she just
Speaker 1: says thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's got to change.
Speaker 1: But then Georgina jumps in with this, like, Kyle, you've
Speaker 1: got the golden ticket because everyone was after you. But now,
Speaker 1: because of the way a man has acted, you're looking
Speaker 1: like a hero. You were about to get canceled, which
Speaker 1: I guess is true. Yeah, and then you know, Kyle
Speaker 1: says that he is ultimately happy that they're divorced and
Speaker 1: that they still have a lot of love for each other.
Speaker 1: And then he says what I think is the most
Speaker 1: salient point of this entire episode and reunion, It hasn't
Speaker 1: been easy working through issues on camera for ten years. Yes,
Speaker 1: so turn off the camera's wife.
Speaker 3: What's more important?
Speaker 1: Yes? If you saw that, what probably was, you know,
Speaker 1: a chance at a real relationship that you wanted ten
Speaker 1: years ago fall apart in part because of the cameras. Yep,
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe just walk away.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You literally have to decide what's what's more important? Is
Speaker 2: the show more important or is your relationship more important?
Speaker 2: And if your marriage is more important, you leave the show.
Speaker 2: It wasn't And so now you've got to navigate this
Speaker 2: for a decade with everybody watching.
Speaker 3: Okay, hey, shocker, it didn't work.
Speaker 1: Gavin and Kenny are good now. Then they cover the
Speaker 1: accidental marriage in Peru that Kenny and Whitney have. Kenny reiterates,
Speaker 1: I'm marrying this girl. Andrea and Lexi are having slightly
Speaker 1: less sex. Good to know it's pregnant.
Speaker 2: He did he even speak Andrea the entire I don't
Speaker 2: think he even opened his mouth. Neither did Lexi. The
Speaker 2: two of them just sat there because they kind of didn't.
Speaker 2: They weren't really involved other than the one scene with
Speaker 2: Andrea where he's like, I'm.
Speaker 3: Not talking to a wall. Other than that that one there,
Speaker 3: really they.
Speaker 1: Say anything much either. Danielle and Owen are stoked to
Speaker 1: raise an Irish Puerto Rican New Yorker. Amanda stays big
Speaker 1: about her and West and their future. She's choosing to
Speaker 1: not look too far into the future, and then Kyle
Speaker 1: declares it should be a fun summer. It will be
Speaker 1: a fun summer, but not a summer that Wilfredell will
Speaker 1: be watching.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: Well, also, Amanda's not on it anymore, right, and West
Speaker 2: isn't gonna be on it anymore. So they're taking all
Speaker 2: the all the people that are part of the So.
Speaker 1: Is the idea that the summer we roll into the
Speaker 1: Summer House as a show, and then back to In
Speaker 1: the City next all, I guess, okay, so really, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a lot, that's a lot to watch. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I will say, I'm gonna ask Maddie to keep me updated.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna watch, but I'm gonna ask Maddie. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna check it out. I want to know at the
Speaker 1: end of this summer, Kyle's I think you could give me.
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna be able to just give me,
Speaker 1: probably in like a two minute conversation, what happens the
Speaker 1: entire summer, Because because it is pretty slight, if we
Speaker 1: were to sum up this entire season of In the City,
Speaker 1: I would say, Kyle and Amanda had a slow, painful breakup,
Speaker 1: and Kenny found his dad and other people, yeah, he
Speaker 1: Kenny found his dad. Those are the two like actually great,
Speaker 1: you know life moments that changed things in people's lives. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: a lot of miscommunications, slights and misunderstandings and half half apologies.
Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, but maybe there'll be more drama
Speaker 1: next fall because everyone will be having a baby, and
Speaker 1: maybe it'll be more like actual life you know stuff.
Speaker 2: I can't wait till the babies start fighting when they're
Speaker 2: gonna be like, you, can you believe what he said
Speaker 2: about me?
Speaker 3: I can't believe she said this about me.
Speaker 2: And then it's yeah, you see Andy Cohen, babe just
Speaker 2: sitting around with a bunch of babies.
Speaker 3: That'll be next.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my pacifiers called.
Speaker 3: In the shitty diaper.
Speaker 1: That's what the name of the All Right, this puts
Speaker 1: it end to uh in the city you've been listening
Speaker 1: to pod Meats twirld. The parties may end, the friendships
Speaker 1: may fracture, and the artisanal cocktails may lose their garnish.
Speaker 1: But our deeply overqualified analysis of telephise social catastrophe may endure.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna leave it here for now and move
Speaker 1: on to another show until next time. Trap you're smoking
Speaker 6: M hm